as been informed, yup, can do cps to meet euro 5, but the power will reduce especially torque wise. Couple vvt n cps, it can be done, but it is high cost coz initially pheonix project is for cfe only, it just that the engineers try also to come out with the na version. Cfe n iafm+ has similar based compare to cps which using distributor n spark coil while cfe n iafm+ using cop@distributorless system.

Iafm+ 50% component diff from iafm. It is not visible, more focussing on cooling element to ensure engine is always at atmost optimum temperature so that it will work at optimum efficiency, emmision compliancy coz current cps n iafm is only euro 4. Come in also 32bit torquebased ecu to replace 16bit loadbased ecu in cps n iafm, which means better controlling of torque spread n broader torque band.

Still remember when exora come out, when they explaining on hp@kw, people all saying that is not important, the most important is torque. But now they are focusing on torque, people say why less hp n etc.

Look at cps n iafm+ torque. Cps 150nm@4500rpm.
Iafm+ 150nm@4000rpm.

Cps 85-90% of torque at 3000rpm.
Iafm+85-90% of torque at 2000rpm.

Cps 125hp@6500 rpm.
Iafm+108hp@5750rpm.

Which one has better drivability? Which one has better top speed? Iafm+ has better drivability while cps is better at top end speed. But how much is hp generated for cps@5750 rpm? I think cps generate around 112hp at the same rpm, not that much, only 4hp more.

Erm, if cps been compliant to euro 5, so let say the hp maybe reduce to 120hp, but what if the torque is 140nm only?

Look at the new avanza engine 1.5, based on same engine, but old one didnt comply with euro 4, current one comply, so look how much hp n torque that they need to sacrifice for meeting eu emmission.

Couple vvt n cps n vim, not only really complicated, but also expensive to build. Thats why toyota mainly using vvti n dual vvti, rather than their own valvematic tech engine.

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Added on March 15, 2012, 3:53 pm

as been informed, yup, can do cps to meet euro 5, but the power will reduce especially torque wise. Couple vvt n cps, it can be done, but it is high cost coz initially pheonix project is for cfe only, it just that the engineers try also to come out with the na version. Cfe n iafm+ has similar based compare to cps which using distributor n spark coil while cfe n iafm+ using cop@distributorless system.

Iafm+ 50% component diff from iafm. It is not visible, more focussing on cooling element to ensure engine is always at atmost optimum temperature so that it will work at optimum efficiency, emmision compliancy coz current cps n iafm is only euro 4. Come in also 32bit torquebased ecu to replace 16bit loadbased ecu in cps n iafm, which means better controlling of torque spread n broader torque band.

Still remember when exora come out, when they explaining on hp@kw, people all saying that is not important, the most important is torque. But now they are focusing on torque, people say why less hp n etc.

Look at cps n iafm+ torque. Cps 150nm@4500rpm.
Iafm+ 150nm@4000rpm.

Cps 85-90% of torque at 3000rpm.
Iafm+85-90% of torque at 2000rpm.

Cps 125hp@6500 rpm.
Iafm+108hp@5750rpm.

Which one has better drivability? Which one has better top speed? Iafm+ has better drivability while cps is better at top end speed. But how much is hp generated for cps@5750 rpm? I think cps generate around 112hp at the same rpm, not that much, only 4hp more.

Erm, if cps been compliant to euro 5, so let say the hp maybe reduce to 120hp, but what if the torque is 140nm only?

Look at the new avanza engine 1.5, based on same engine, but old one didnt comply with euro 4, current one comply, so look how much hp n torque that they need to sacrifice for meeting eu emmission.

Couple vvt n cps n vim, not only really complicated, but also expensive to build. Thats why toyota mainly using vvti n dual vvti, rather than their own valvematic tech engine.

ha..ha..fuel is another factor. There are 28 countries being targeted to market p3, n not only thai n malaysia. Some markets need euro 5 compliants to save up on running cost. Do u know what are euro 5 emmision engine n euro 5 fuel?

becuz......proton isn't sold in malaysia only boy
its sold worldwide
UK, AUS, egypt..etc etc

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Added on March 15, 2012, 5:38 pm
they build the engine the SAME way...its not like oh for malaysia..this one made for euro 3, of this one for germany, tis one made for euro 5
"COMPLYING" mean can support up to
meaning if the engine meet the euro 5 standard...it can support 4, 3, 2 and 1
if the engine is euro 3...it cannot support 4 or 5
something like that
if u know software...you'll know what i mean
the reason is simply..proton doesn't sell in MY only
proton sold their car in many other country as well...which have better fuel and the engine needed to meet that in order to be sold there

Cat can be de-cat

I dont think it's a big deal. So this car is almost perfect until there's nothing to argue but fuel grade compliancy

If V12Kompressor is talking about Hyundai GDI then (if not mistaken) it is diesel engine not petrol engine.

Our unleaded petrol is of International standard and I dont think there is sulphur in it.

ya, before this their engineer is mainly in cost reduction,

the 1st gen saga 17 years ago dashboard was soft touch and soft padding.....

and they launch the ah beng saga 26999, with ah beng rear light and freaking loud exhaust (at 80km/h), its image is offically down the drain, lol. whole interior is hard plastic, so damn hard lol.

erm, by the way,i'm not powertrain engineer what soever, but beeing informed that, engine is not tune to fuel euro 1,2,3,4,5@6, but according to ron(octane rating). Some engines cant use low euro compliant fuel because it needs to have cleaner fuel to run,not because not being tune to that.

Any euro 5 engine can run using any euro compliance fuel, regardless euro 1,2,3,4,5@6, just the matter of tech n design like gdi is quite a sensitive engine especially for high sulphur content fuel n low octane rating fuel. Prince engine in malaysia, no matter the mpi or gdi version is euro 5, tsi also euro 5. But still can use euro 2 compliance oil. But if euro 2m is not available, vw wont bring their tsi here(yup tsi is euro 5 n 6 capable) coz their gdi need certain maximum sulphur that they can take inside their engine.

Engine management is tuning towards octane rating not fuel euro grade. U still need to know there are many carburator cars that non euro emmision compliance engine, still running well in our euro 2m fuel without any tuning, except to those who needs to run atleast ron97 need to retune to prevent from knocking.

Remember, before euro 2m fuel, malaysian fuel is non euro at all, so, what the hell happened to euro 2 compliance engine available here n bla..bla..bla.. N what happened to the cars that non euro compliance running on euro 2m fuel without any tuning in ems, without changing the catalizer n etc? Why they can run the compliance car with non compliance petrol previously n how currently they also can run non compliance car with compliance petrol?

The question is from me n the answer above is from the engineer, n he actual smile when i ask question about euro compliance fuel n euro compliance engine.

Questions are good, but sometimes questioning something beyond our capacity, yup, can google here, n google there, but u cant develop euro 5 compliance engine or car's engine just by googling or watching youtube or can we? :-). If can,just closed down all engineering course in uni n rnd. Ha...ha... Just joking coz sometimes i also questioning beyond my comprehension. And like people always talking about co2 output when talking about euro emission, but actually is not about co2, its about something else.

About wira,waja pedded dash, i believe that its already been banned by EPA by any new makes, so they used new one like rubbery type soft plastic or new pedded that used fabric,alcantara@leather than pvc, but thats quite expensive. So, many opt for hard, for cheaper alternative.

That why when old lancer mk1 vs lancer mk10, which one has soft material n which one doesnt. Same as civic ef, eg, ek vs civic es, fd, which one has better soft dash?

My conclusion is, people questioning that because it is a proton. Mr littlefire, have u been questioning all other makes about their euro compliance engine in malaysia like currently avanza engine which its power b torque being reduce due to euro 4 compliance? Why they mentioned euro 4 when malaysia jpj rules on emmision is euro 2 n our fuel is euro 2m, what the hell they are trying to do mentioning the engine is euro 4, reduce the output, why just not retain the euro 2 one coz u cannot use euro 4 engine compliance with euro 2 fuel, stupid japs engineer. Is that correct my statement? Ops forget the stupid das auto engineer, we want euro 2 tsi that supposed to have better power than europe version, but why u give us euro 5 engine, stupid german engineers. So,if that the case, then i rest my case :-).

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Added on March 16, 2012, 6:27 pmdun worry dares, u give fair review. N everybody need to see it, drive it to believe it. No need to believe it before u see n drive this baby.

By the way dares, maybe u can share a bit about ur rattling problems so that some of us in here can help in given out some sollution,if possiblelah. Even if it is a small@little prob, sometimes it takes longer times than big ones coz little things hard to find compare to little one. But who knows, in this forum, u can solve ur probs. No harm trying.

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Added on March 16, 2012, 6:34 pmah,for engine jerking in the morning, i dunno whether u do this or not, warm up the engine at least up to normal bar coz it seems like amt n dsg (clucth based coz even this one is cvt,but still clutch based)prob which need the oil of gbox to be warm up properly so that it can have a proper flow. Normally just need to do this in the morning only during cold start@ left the car for long time, maybe more than 24 hours without using it.

If already practised that,maybe need report for further investigation, if not, just try out to do that, look whether the morning jerk problem solved or not.

iafm+ n cfe is euro 5 compliance, n u already answer it. I never mentioned it will be euro 5 in malaysia. Also for other engine, i said compliance.if u insist to go for the older one, just go for it. Still having old iafm in persona. Saga fl, gen2 cps, n even exora cps dont we. But putting euro 5 compliance make it better for emmission than euro 4@ lower compliance. Just check the old iafm emmision in malaysia n iafm+ in fl vs flx emmision long time ago during press conference. Dont u want to promote cleaner engine? Or u oppose to that?

In indonesia, main fuel is ron 88. Hard to find ron 97 overthere n even 95. Dont u know that or u really dont know? Like i said earlier, u can google as much as u can, but thing is not simple as it is.

The reasons why cfe used mpi, rather than gdi, lazy to explain, just read lotus proactive magazines n i believe somebody already put the link before. N its been a long time in the mag(not that long but few month)

if u read back my previous comment, diff engine tech has diff needs, not every engine can easily been tune such as di. Iafm+ is not bad as what u think if compare to cps. If u can give a better engine, yup less top speed,better emmission, why not?

U just oppose the move by prtn, atleast the diff between iafm n iafm+ hp is negligence but with better torque, the same as cps, do u prefer usable power or power that can be used once a while? If u feel iafm+ is not enough, why not pick cfe version? Its not like u end up without any option.

Same case as avanza 1.3, neverheard people complain when it launch, only after few years, then people complain about underpower. But prtn exora, not launch yet, already been complain, same as p3. So, drive it to belive it,rite.

But if u look up the diff between old avanza n new avanza 1.5, they lost around 10nm of torque, but iafm+ give out 2nm more torque than old one, n both pursue given out better emmision control. Atleast with euro 5 engine, u give better emmision cntrl than euro 2 engine despite not achieve euro 5 in malaysia due to content.

Never seen u oppose other makes about their euro compliance engine. My question is why? :-). Is it everything beside prtn is divine?

Its like prtn given out 4 airbags for 75k, still people questioning why not 6, but if others given out only 2 airbags at 88k, even at 120k, no question ask.  they can give u 6, but people are not willing to pay. Thats why i want p3 premium line to be priced 80k++ so that none will be ommited, but then, people keep shouted 80k is too much, shud be 70k, n even some asking for 40k. Wth???

If u want to critisize n even bash, be fair to all. If only p3, give u vanilla campro engine, dated 4at, 2 airbags n sell it for 90k, then u can shout about it.

For me, i did critic all, even prtn, but need to be fair n just. Is like comparing vios n saga. Better compare vios n persona. Yup, both have pro n cons, just vios has a bit edge over persona, but now, vios has new contender, executive line p3 n highest grade vios(maybe trd version) with premium line p3, outside malaysia.

Lets wait for profesional review from thailand n indonesia shall we.

But i think this arguments will go no where coz u will keep googling n googling until u become engineer himself, with ir from google :-).

i think i stop herefor this euro things topic. If u not satisfied, just suggesting u paid a visit to prtn rnd,pwrtrain division(engine, not trans) for further explanation about this euro thing,rather than googling.

Sorry if my words are harsh or offended anyone here. Peace yo :-).