Collected the car yesterday and SC told me everything ok just that engine oil(4500km last service! Yet to reach 5000km) is too old and causing the valve cannot kick the CPS therefore cannot start!!!! I ask is that crank sensor change or anything but proton mechanic keep telling nothing change just do minor service change new engine oil 10/30w then engine start automatically!!! Can you believe the reason? Why SC not tellIng us real issue?  Only 1.5 years old  breakdown without good reason how can we confident driving this mpv out station?

actually this is among the reason i'm scared of buying proton. my 7 years old myi have no problem whatsoever. my cousin who had his saga blm for only 3 month, suddenly his car cannot start (luckily he's at home that time) and need to be towed. turns out its just something simple (according to the proton SC, but I forgot what it is)..

i've been using the gen2 for years and my mileage is now more than 200k. never had a problem. as long as i service  and change what needs to be changed when the time comes.

I don't think Semi Synthetic or Mineral has much to do with your problem. But rather, it's the thinner viscosity that does the job.

As for reliability, if the car manual does indeed tells you to use 10W30 but you didn't, then you yourself are to be blamed.

actually this is among the reason i'm scared of buying proton. my 7 years old myi have no problem whatsoever. my cousin who had his saga blm for only 3 month, suddenly his car cannot start (luckily he's at home that time) and need to be towed. turns out its just something simple (according to the proton SC, but I forgot what it is)..

yup, i know not all proton had problems.. but it seems (from my experience at least), my friends/families who owned proton always will have something more to complain, rather than those who bought perodua.. I think the problem is more to the QC problem on proton part, is it?

actually this is among the reason i'm scared of buying proton. my 7 years old myi have no problem whatsoever. my cousin who had his saga blm for only 3 month, suddenly his car cannot start (luckily he's at home that time) and need to be towed. turns out its just something simple (according to the proton SC, but I forgot what it is)..

hard to say i guess. i do agree that in the past, their qc was non existent. but i've also noticed , since dsz took over. there has been marked improvement in all aspects...
so..

but i do have an issue with their sc's . hard to find a decent one. so, for my current gen2. i send to my friend to service. and to take care off.

for no 1, i think it is due to wheel balancing. If it is wheel balancing,just kauw tim with ur sales person, ask him or her to pay it for u if u r doing it outside coz not all sc offered balancing n allignment service,just remember,its normal for tyre shop ask u to do allignment also, do allignment is ok, but just ignore if they ask u to change chamber nut. Ask them to adjust right n left toe to zero,and if they r lazy(they will answer cannot, road surface is not flat, need to adjust negative n yadayada), ask them to adjust total toe zero. And just ask sales person to pay it all.

If it is due to tyre problem, go to sc to ask for replacement.

No 2, it is normal,but actually slower compare to previous cps coz the hood already has sound insulator. Just check whether yours come with it or not,coz only bold cfe has it, so i presume urs is bold cfe.

No 3,its normal for campro based engine. It is cooling period,depend on situation. Just remember to use 100% original coolant for campro based engine,dont mix with water@use ordinary coolant. And it only need to flush every 30@40k(check service manual), n remember to send it to branch sc coz flushing n refilling new coolant is really tedious,n really important that they are doing it properly coz it will lead to big problem,such engine overheating n ruin ur internal engine parts.
Periodically checking the coolant level so that will notice whether any leakage happen coz normally coolant level wont reduce in short period,if reduce,just a little bit before u flush it at 40k.

And bold premium already come with tinting, why u want to tint?if still want to change tint, remember to peel off the old one coz if double tinting @ side windows can cause u lost ur 10 years power windows warranty. However,vkool,aircool, ecotint n etc are good tint, depend on ur budget,still many good tinting out there,depend on ur budget.

Hopefully u just change the head unit without tampering any wire inside coz tampering can cause u loosing the warranty on some electronic parts. Better check urs owner manual.

Iafm+ already used in flx n flx se. They are many changes,already mentioned before, iafm+ engine derived from cfe engine with all improvement same as cfe without those related to vvt n turbo unit,iafm unit still the same,just improvement on material used n the flap/butterfly, and iafm+ using 32bit easyu torque based ecu regardless manual@cvt,compare to old one(except persona elegance)16bit ems700 load based ecu,n with 100% new perimeters n calibrations.

And if u want to get better fc in town,dont drive more than 2k rpm(during turbine unit statrt operation), n dont worry about pickup(torque) coz due vvt n other improvements, at 1.5k rpm,cfe torque is already exceed maximum torque of cps@4.5k rpm n i know its hard to cntrl them due to turbo feeling,but u can actually coz u already can speed up to 80kmh++ below 2k rpm.

These are being told by the engineers.

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Added on January 23, 2012, 2:35 amactually running radiator fan is not really weird, some conti engines have the same function :-). Savvy renault based engine also has the same function.

Have to agree that with loudness, but wait untill you hear prince engine compressor n radiator fan sound in pug 308 :-), i think u will run away,not ur daughter. But its good to have silent engine. For me,toyota is the best in term of slow engine sound.

N agree also bout saga sound dampening,wish could be better inside.

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Added on January 23, 2012, 2:50 amahh,forgot to mentioned, dont engage sat mode if want to get better fc coz run in full cvt mode is better than engaging sat. N always check ur secondary blower controller,just used it when needed, normally if fully occupied, coz can save a little bit fc. I think front ac vent is just enough even for 2nd row unless during really hot weather. And dont forget the temperature control is diff, to the left is more cooling(full blue doted), to the right is less cooling(empty white circle)(if they dont change the control unit from previous one)

This is issue in proton SC since they service the car I don't bother what grade for the engine oil either 10/40w or 10/30w.  As SC shall replace correct for customer instead I correct for them...

By the way, no logic engine cannot start due to 10/40w!

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Added on January 26, 2012, 2:25 pm
Check out from your friend and share with us... Definitely help all proton users here...

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Added on January 28, 2012, 1:24 amNeed to service my first 1000 km exora bold....which best service centre in kl?

Check out my review on the Proton Saga FLX 1.3 standard variant: http://www.simonhar.com/2012/01/driven-pro...aga-flx-13.html
Some of my friends' Saga has minor to no problem, but my dad's Saga is below average in terms of quality Proton Exora is a good one, but Saga... hmm...

Check out my review on the Proton Saga FLX 1.3 standard variant: http://www.simonhar.com/2012/01/driven-pro...aga-flx-13.html
Some of my friends' Saga has minor to no problem, but my dad's Saga is below average in terms of quality Proton Exora is a good one, but Saga... hmm...

have to agree with u, unless they pour in diff viciousity like 20w or 15w. I think even with 10w its not really a problem. I just thinking that maybe previously they pour in maybe mineral 20w to ur car, so, make it hard to start coz too thick,especially during cold start,n mineral is not really suitable for new car. Remember one blm have problem really bad fc due to sc pour in 20w mineral oil.

you realize, the issues you raised on your review,, its not qc problem right ? qc would be, if after a week, the remote doesnt work. or the button on the remote is missing. not different color /size button just because you are used to the old one.

You're missing the point that the saga is meant to be a base line model.

rear folding seats, better quality all are a compromise.

I mean the QC in the production plant. For example the driver exterior door handle is difficult to open. Didn't they realize this problem before they hand the car to the customer?

Firstly, you review reflects what most people will find about the new Saga, so I thought it's pretty balance and well-written.

On the topic of the remote....Even the Waja remote back then had the similiar design as the Saga today.

Honestly, if a car buyer is looking for better build quality in that price range, go for Viva or Myvi. When I bought my Saga I fully expect rattling the minute I got my car, and it did not disappoint on that aspect. But I chose Saga simply for the safety features, power and handling. Expecting otherwise and you will be disappointed, period.

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Added on January 28, 2012, 1:24 amNeed to service my first 1000 km exora bold....which best service centre in kl?

how was ur first 1000km ride?

actually this is among the reason i'm scared of buying proton. my 7 years old myi have no problem whatsoever. my cousin who had his saga blm for only 3 month, suddenly his car cannot start (luckily he's at home that time) and need to be towed. turns out its just something simple (according to the proton SC, but I forgot what it is)..

My family own proton cars for more than 15 years. My family got iswara, 3 wira, 2 waja CPS, new saga....so far no problem. We travel from kelantan to Penang, from penang to KL, Johor...just fine. Just stick to the service duration and manual. And don't pandai-pandai go and tune this, that...modify this that...