saga...not gonna happen
the GB cannot handle it and somemore can the car handle that much torque also dn't know
the 1.6 FLX SE already fast enough with its 1.6L engine + CVT
put in CFE...that car will split apart...lol

persona.....not so sure...if persona got "reset"...thn possible
but proton already said the new model releasing next june isn't persona replacement..its a new model

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Added on December 17, 2011, 8:55 pmproton will not use EPS if they want the proton handling/lotus handling
becuz EPS reportedly have a delay....myvi, grand livina all reported say have
somemore lotus car itself doesn't even uses EPS....hydraulic ones still best

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 17 2011, 08:55 PM

what proton means by global is that the car mean global safety standards
like 6 air bags...ABS + EBD...ESP...etc etc
if global specs thn its endless
but yeah..many ppl say if sold in germany thn it would be hard to compete cuz many cheaper cars there
but we'll have to see what they priced it when its sold overseas...not the price that we bought in malaysia cuz proton and perodua have to pay tax for the car as well...just not as much as other brand of cars

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Added on December 18, 2011, 12:11 amthe only way to do that is to change the turbo chargers...the campro is unchanged
they will just change the soft turbo to a REAL turbo....but need time to research for the reliability of those true turbo that increase HP
didn't they last time acquire a few super charger...said for satria neo..wonder where did that go

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 18 2011, 12:11 AM

@kadajawi
until now proton only said that its their 1st global car
they never said anything abt germany or any specific country
only said its a global car
usually global car mean its equipped with safety equipment that meet international standard
everything else are assumed by us...proton never said anything
i think proton is just to there to meet the international standard so that other ppl would be more confident buying them
proton mostly sells in australia and egypt...especially in egypt which saga is a good seller there
everything else have to wait proton to announced or wait till they act

ps: even in malaysian market...avanza cannot stand a chance as well..ppl buy it becuz its a toyota not becuz its a good car
avanza is worst than p1 and p2 car....avanza is actually a cut cost car aiming for low income family(apparently not very low income)

this is where many car manufacturer wins toyota...warranty!
if u scared the reliability of the turbo....and already bought it...theres always warranty there to cover it...long warranty
as long as u service at SC...you'll have warranty
how much warranty did toyota give...a VERY VERY short time only and to maintain that warranty..have to service at SC and u should know service in toyota SC is extremely expensive
so its all not worthed
and plus its not a turbo engine...the engine is normal campro...the turbo it bolted on...both are separate

how can alza fight it?
power - proton has it..CFE..turbo
GB - proton use CVT - smooth, fast pickup, low FC
size - exora bigger than alza
pretty much everything exora > alza...can't fight

yours got a "?" at the end...its a question..lol

alza is way way better car thn avanza..i still dn't know why ppl still buy avanza

they can't...engine and GB are from toyota or daihatsu
those 2 company won't provide those 2 things for perodua to produce a new model
becuz it competes with their own model
this is the bad thing being under other ppl's company

how improved can it be?
turbocharged CVVT?...dn't think so...that would beat any toyota MPV already
CVT GB? - dn't think so either...none of toyota model ever comes with CVT..i mean local ones
better handling? - toyota never cares abt handling AT ALL..even if they did...can't beat lotus
low price? - how is toyota going to survive
no matter how...an "improved" alza is not going to happen

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 18 2011, 11:45 PM

they are and they won't
they won't becuz there will still be ppll buying alza for the sack of it's a toyota...typical
they are becuz they're not facelifting it with anything brand new....only the design different only...everything else will always be the same
at least proton have a policy of renewing a model every 5 years and 1-2 times facelifting it within that period(with new equipment and techs)

innova still far from this exora...power cannot win..even can win, FC will still be high since 2.0L
handling isn't as good
like u said..interior very plain..not worth the price
and innova isn't using CVT as well

i think that one is the CVT cooler
this exora did come with 2 radiator
not rare...my dad's waja also got 2 big fans there
and proton has been using semi syn oil all along

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 19 2011, 11:59 PM

the FC should be good cuz of the CVT GB they put in there
CPS still use conventional 4AT

it should be
bolted in front of campro engine
this is campro not CPS

what u need is lighter body
since this is MPV
since u said end of 2012 thn go to the model releasing next year
persona alike body + CFE + maybe CVT = win waja CPS anytime

this is just to solve the "underpower" problem
next with pairing it with the sedan...it will go very fast...haha
engine already surpass CPS's performance

that whinning sound if not wrong is the turbo kickin in

not sure exora got armrest or not
but the new proton now i think doesn't come with armrest but dn't worry...aftermarket company sure will quickly made a few for sell

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Added on December 25, 2011, 9:39 pmi dn't know but previous saga FLX also have delay
they changed 3 things thn fixed already
1.CVT pump
2.fuel hose
3.extra CVT cooling hose
so u can ask if they fixed this few things

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 25 2011, 09:39 PM

should ask SA got install replace/install these few parts in stated be4
because those part that i stated are recall parts for saga for the delay
some member changed it and the delay is kinda almost gone already
L gear not so sure.. but L gear is used for hill climbing....CVT's L gear is totally different than 4AT's L gear

the turbo is supposed to be kickin in @ 2000RPM-4000RPM
so its already kickin in when u pickin up....you'll kinda hear a whinning sound
CFE is just a name...its actually campro with turbo bolted on
and the increase next year....its not they cannot bear anything...its government policy....its a tax...every car brand also need to increase or absorb themselves