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ethan99
post Dec 20 2011, 06:47 AM

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Thanks very good info sharing....

QUOTE(mat79 @ Dec 20 2011, 03:59 AM)
kadajawi, u can go to malaysian customs website for info n howmuch the tax n go to maa website to make it easy for u to understand the tax.
Basically for every car below 1800 in malaysia, they have to pay 75% excise duty n 10% sales duty including prtn n perodua. But for ckd, they have to pay extra 10% import duty while cbu have to pay 30% import duty.
For mpv between 1500cc to 1800cc, excise duty is 65% n sales tax is 10%. Cbu n ckd import tax is flat rate at 30% for cbu, 10% for ckd for any segment n any capacity engine according to customs n maa.
Fyi, avanza 1.3 paying less tax than our local alza n exora coz for 1500cc n below mpv, ckd import tax is waved n only pay for 60% for excise duty n 10% sales tax n yet they expensive, even have less 5% tax than our local.
Ckd only 10% higher tax than local, but the price,is higher. Can anyone justify vios will be the same price as persona if only pay 10% more tax than persona? For me, it just becoz of cif n also toyota want high profit.

Generally,all local cars need to pay 85% tax, while exora n alza paying 75% tax.
All ckds' just add 10% n cbus 30%. Thats why nowadays conti n korean are cars cheaper than japs in msia such as fiesta, forte, recently launch citroen c4 n etc coz they r just take normal profit margin n add all the taxes. U just think how civic 2.0 can be far expensive than cbu pug 308thp156 n citroen c4thp156 when the conti offer more equipment level n better pwrtrain dept than hondas even civic is ckd? Same as lancer gt 2.0 cbu versus civic 2.0 n altis 2.0(both ckd, suppose to pay 20% less tax) but get same pricing in malaysia.

So kadajawi, just go to website i mentioned before. So, 19% in germany oppose 85% tax on locals in malaysia, what do u think? So, how much is exora bold without tax? I leave it to u to do the calculation.


Added on December 20, 2011, 4:40 amand why toyota@daihatsu gave perodua rebadged passo sette@ luminas.
My opinion, 1st profit. Why profit coz will jeoperdize avanza sales? The question is how much avanza sales before n after the arrival of grandlivina n exora? So, fyi, and i believe everybody is well informed that sales of myvi in malaysia only already beat sales of sirion n passo in entire japan, can u imagine that, myvi sales is better than what they are getting from their own country. If u ask me where gets the fact, just google, if lazy, search in paultan, there is a special post on that.
Tyota own daihatsu, daihatsu has stakes in perodua. Not only daihatsu gain profit coz they r the shareholders, n u must know that this is rebadge exercise, so that perodua has to pay rebadged royalty as agreement. N the mother off all profit gainer, toyota coz they own daihatsu.
So, killing 2 birds in 1 stone ha..gain profit from alza n at the same time has extra bonus selling avanza since not rugi for toyota, even assemble avanza at perodua. Kira side bonus jelah, klu dia xkuar avanza, mgkin bkal pembeli avanza akn beli glivina@exora. Alang2,mkn sini,mkn sana.

That is how business minded think. The same thing happen to mitsu, lancer sales loose bad with civic,altis even fote. Cannot sell well, prtn want to rebadged, opportunity come, no need pening2 nak hantar kete cbu byk2 kat stok yard, dah kena bayo cif, so duk goyang kaki, dpt mkn royalti dr inspira..tp klu lancer top seller kat msia,jgn hrpler mitsu nk bg.


Added on December 20, 2011, 4:50 amif ford smax double the price of exora in msia, so meaning that, even compete with the same local tax apply to local cars, they r still expensive coz import duty only 30% from value of the car without tax. So, if smx cost u 160k, that is already including everything plus accesories,road tax, insurance n all insurance,profit dealer, so it supposed to be around 18k max( assuming value of the car 60k in malaysia before all the tax n dealer profit . Etc). So, 160k minus 18k, u got rm142k, which is still expesive than locals.this is same level playing fill condition where smax being tax the same as locals.
By the, the price of smax 160 just a sample coz somebody say before it price twice exora in msia,lazy to google for the price.
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ethan99
post Jan 25 2012, 12:15 AM

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For sharing.. Make sure CFE engine come with good fuel pump.... Happen to my family CPS yesterday cannot start engine I guess is due to fuel pump faulty. Will tow the car to SC to check... Very bad luck thought of using mpv out full family 7 adult... End up have to use 2 cars.
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post Jan 25 2012, 12:51 AM

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CFE need more pressure from fuel pump... Since proton always failure on fuel pump from waja till CPS engine... Hopefully, CFE will improve on this basic thing. Normally fuel pump will degrade slowly but what I have research waja or CPS engine in persona or any body always fail and causing towing the car... Since the fuel pump will not work suddenly...
ethan99
post Jan 25 2012, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 25 2012, 08:22 AM)
as been mentioned earlier, dont wait until the fuel warning blink then refueling,its better refueling when its already at the last bar of fuel. Practising late refuelling especially when the fuel nearly empty(already long time fuel light warning) can cause u ur fuel pump. Dunno what about u, maybe diff prob.

But if u mentioned about waja fuel pump probs, that is the reason. I know coz i'm using waja since 2007 until now, no prob on fuel pump,just do like as i mentioned, everytime when the fuel left only 1 bar,already refuelling. The reason,when the fuel tank is dry up,fuel pump will suck to much air that cause the motor to overheating and then kaput.

One more thing,always change ur fuel filter at 40k.

Cfe, for the moment,no mt, maybe when p322a come out,it will mate with getrag 6mt.
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Many thanks for advised... Will check with SC later towing is on the way now
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post Jan 25 2012, 03:01 PM

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According from proton machanic this issue is crank sensor faulty... Anyway, still not done yet will find out from them later.... Anyway, how come so easy sensor get fail? Only 20k km mileage?
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post Jan 26 2012, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(tadwinks @ Jan 25 2012, 10:29 PM)
I had a crank sensor failure too, happened with my Wira at around 80k mileage. Car suddenly died while waiting at a traffic light and wouldn't start again.
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Collected the car yesterday and SC told me everything ok just that engine oil(4500km last service! Yet to reach 5000km) is too old and causing the valve cannot kick the CPS therefore cannot start!!!! I ask is that crank sensor change or anything but proton mechanic keep telling nothing change just do minor service change new engine oil 10/30w then engine start automatically!!! Can you believe the reason? Why SC not tellIng us real issue? Only 1.5 years old breakdown without good reason how can we confident driving this mpv out station?

This post has been edited by ethan99: Jan 26 2012, 11:05 AM
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post Jan 26 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 26 2012, 11:04 AM)
This is very light viscosity oil. What oil does the car manual says?
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Previously use 10/40w and now SC told me Campro CPS must use 10/30w which is recommend from manual. I'm fine to top up little bit but how can oil change engine start without issue? Is anyone face similar issue? Furthermore, only 4500km used since last service... Semi sync some more... The issue can happen again according from SC. So, I'm totally no confident to use this car to out station now. In case break down in SG how?
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post Jan 26 2012, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 26 2012, 11:22 AM)
I don't think Semi Synthetic or Mineral has much to do with your problem. But rather, it's the thinner viscosity that does the job.

As for reliability, if the car manual does indeed tells you to use 10W30 but you didn't, then you yourself are to be blamed.
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This is issue in proton SC since they service the car I don't bother what grade for the engine oil either 10/40w or 10/30w. As SC shall replace correct for customer instead I correct for them...

By the way, no logic engine cannot start due to 10/40w!


Added on January 26, 2012, 2:25 pm
QUOTE(imin @ Jan 26 2012, 11:29 AM)
actually this is among the reason i'm scared of buying proton. my 7 years old myi have no problem whatsoever. my cousin who had his saga blm for only 3 month, suddenly his car cannot start (luckily he's at home that time) and need to be towed. turns out its just something simple (according to the proton SC, but I forgot what it is)..
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Check out from your friend and share with us... Definitely help all proton users here...

This post has been edited by ethan99: Jan 26 2012, 02:25 PM
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post Mar 26 2012, 01:03 AM

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Just sharing FC for my CPS model. From PJ all the way to Penang driving 130-140kph fully loaded 5A2K and round island whole day clock 565km till fuel light come out pump rm90 fulltank... Not bad my CPS n now almost clock 27k km and few months later will be 2 years old.

Anyone drive similar for CFE? And measure FC before?

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