QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 22 2011, 05:20 PM)
that lens can fit on dslr meh? Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread V12, 1Darkside ! 1Nikon ! D800 rumor !
Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread V12, 1Darkside ! 1Nikon ! D800 rumor !
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Sep 22 2011, 05:25 PM
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Sep 22 2011, 05:26 PM
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Sep 22 2011, 05:41 PM
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if i ever get this system, it's only the 10mm lens that i am getting...
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Sep 22 2011, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:10 PM) my thought, If it's only casual shooting they are targeting, might as well spend the RnD fund in their coolpix division and make a small sized, pocketable prosumer cam? Nikon's P-series are actually a very capable line they could improve on.nikon 1sytem target casual shooter, target newbie. u ask newbie , heck even some amateur they don't even know what is crop factor you explained to them , they still blur blur wan. so i assume its targeting casual people who wants simply take picture only. |
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Sep 22 2011, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:15 PM) Slow motion c*m QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 22 2011, 05:20 PM) one reason for getting the V1 / J1 is so can mount current AF-S lenses and maintain full AF in a smaller body. even though can get f/2.8 amount of light, but unable to get exact dof of f/2.8, my rough guess will be thicker than f/5.6 and then 70-200 will become 189-540 f/2.8 no need to buy any of the V1 / J1 lenses except for the 10mm 2.8 QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 22 2011, 06:08 PM) If it's only casual shooting they are targeting, might as well spend the RnD fund in their coolpix division and make a small sized, pocketable prosumer cam? Nikon's P-series are actually a very capable line they could improve on. no, newbie think that OH MY CAMERA CAN CHANGE LENS in "FUTURE" so they directly attracted by it |
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Sep 22 2011, 08:08 PM
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Quick Q, if order photography books from Amazon, do we get tax?
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Sep 22 2011, 08:46 PM
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it is wise to buy fisheye lens 8mm while it the other hand hoping for its wide angle ability?
it is easy to crop it and have nice pics of wide angle right? |
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Sep 22 2011, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(tplus1 @ Sep 22 2011, 08:46 PM) it is wise to buy fisheye lens 8mm while it the other hand hoping for its wide angle ability? fish eye ? how crop if pic HEAVILY distorted ?it is easy to crop it and have nice pics of wide angle right? I know u can use software correct it, but it wont work well. u want wide angle ability, be a real man, buy real UWA lens. after all fish eye is not regarded UWA lens as fish eye lens is different with normal lens. |
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Sep 22 2011, 08:59 PM
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Sep 23 2011, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:10 PM) my thought, Smart casual users should not be trapped into buying something very expensive when you can get it as good and cheaper elsewhere with PnS nowadays.nikon 1sytem target casual shooter, target newbie. u ask newbie , heck even some amateur they don't even know what is crop factor you explained to them , they still blur blur wan. so i assume its targeting casual people who wants simply take picture only. QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 22 2011, 05:20 PM) one reason for getting the V1 / J1 is so can mount current AF-S lenses and maintain full AF in a smaller body. Yup, that's the only thing I find useful. But people must remember that newbies and casual shooters don't usually happen to own a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens. and then 70-200 will become 189-540 f/2.8 QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 22 2011, 06:08 PM) If it's only casual shooting they are targeting, might as well spend the RnD fund in their coolpix division and make a small sized, pocketable prosumer cam? Nikon's P-series are actually a very capable line they could improve on. Precisely. They could do a lot to improve their Coolpix line. Currently, they are playing catch up with the other players. I use to remember Nikon was famous for their Coolpix 800, 950, 990 and 995. They set a benchmark while others just follow.QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 22 2011, 08:54 PM) fish eye ? how crop if pic HEAVILY distorted ? +1I know u can use software correct it, but it wont work well. u want wide angle ability, be a real man, buy real UWA lens. after all fish eye is not regarded UWA lens as fish eye lens is different with normal lens. |
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Sep 23 2011, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 23 2011, 12:26 AM) Yup, that's the only thing I find useful. But people must remember that newbies and casual shooters don't usually happen to own a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens. why not just shoot with ur current DSLR and crop it urself 2.7x in photoshop later... same kan? =_______________________= |
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Sep 23 2011, 01:59 AM
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Sep 23 2011, 07:37 AM
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Looking at the prices in UK and US, the V1 doesn't seem to be a value for $ camera..
Maybe the only impressive thing is the fast focus in video mode. |
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Sep 23 2011, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Sep 23 2011, 12:59 AM) why not just shoot with ur current DSLR and crop it urself 2.7x in photoshop later... same kan? =_______________________= I'm thinking it will be good for macro with such crop factor QUOTE(piscesguy @ Sep 23 2011, 07:37 AM) Looking at the prices in UK and US, the V1 doesn't seem to be a value for $ camera.. 10fps seems interesting too, but wonder what's the buffer like before you hit the wall.Maybe the only impressive thing is the fast focus in video mode. |
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Sep 23 2011, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 23 2011, 07:42 AM) I'm thinking it will be good for macro with such crop factor Well depends on what macro you are shooting. 10fps seems interesting too, but wonder what's the buffer like before you hit the wall. If you are using the sp90 on a crop body you'd have to stand about one meter away from the subject..with the j1.. How far do you need to stand? Could you even see that tiny spider from the place you are standing? Not a macro photographer though. Maybe macro enthusiasts can counter my points. |
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Sep 23 2011, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Sep 23 2011, 12:59 AM) why not just shoot with ur current DSLR and crop it urself 2.7x in photoshop later... same kan? =_______________________= let say from full frame, 10mp, u only get 100mm, from the 2.7x , u get 10mp of 270mm, where got same ? after u cropped the 10mp full frame into equivalent of 2.7x, it is not 10mp anymore. |
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Sep 23 2011, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 23 2011, 08:40 AM) Well depends on what macro you are shooting. If the subject is to be 1:1, the distance of the subject to the sensor will always be the same regardless of what sensor size used. For a lens to function, the flange distance has to be the same on any system. This is where the adapter for a non-native lens comes into play - to provide enough flange distance for the lens to function at MFD all the way to infinity. So, will not effect on 'How far do you need to stand? Could you even see that tiny spider from the place you are standing?'. In fact, at 1:1, the subject, in this case, the spider will be able to fill the frame much easier than with a larger sensor.If you are using the sp90 on a crop body you'd have to stand about one meter away from the subject..with the j1.. How far do you need to stand? Could you even see that tiny spider from the place you are standing? Not a macro photographer though. Maybe macro enthusiasts can counter my points. Added on September 23, 2011, 9:20 am QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 23 2011, 09:17 AM) let say from full frame, 10mp, u only get 100mm, The standard even for APS-C sensors out there is above 16MPs these days. And full frames are hovering in the 24MPs range. There is PLENTY of leeway for cropping on a full sized sensor compared to a 2.7x crop.from the 2.7x , u get 10mp of 270mm, where got same ? after u cropped the 10mp full frame into equivalent of 2.7x, it is not 10mp anymore. This post has been edited by lwliam: Sep 23 2011, 09:21 AM |
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Sep 23 2011, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 23 2011, 08:40 AM) Well depends on what macro you are shooting. You can still shoot at 1:1 since your sensor is so small, the spider would actually fill up the frame. Compared to shooting on FF which the spider would be much smaller. Next question is, do you understand what does 1:1 magnification means? If you do, then you won't be asking the earlier question.If you are using the sp90 on a crop body you'd have to stand about one meter away from the subject..with the j1.. How far do you need to stand? Could you even see that tiny spider from the place you are standing? Not a macro photographer though. Maybe macro enthusiasts can counter my points. QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 23 2011, 09:18 AM) If the subject is to be 1:1, the distance of the subject to the sensor will always be the same regardless of what sensor size used. For a lens to function, the flange distance has to be the same on any system. This is where the adapter for a non-native lens comes into play - to provide enough flange distance for the lens to function at MFD all the way to infinity. So, will not effect on 'How far do you need to stand? Could you even see that tiny spider from the place you are standing?'. In fact, at 1:1, the subject, in this case, the spider will be able to fill the frame much easier than with a larger sensor. Not true for Nikon systems. 24MP is still the D3x, how many here owns one? Even for the new Nikon FF sensor, I don't think it would be on the 24MP range either, most likely 16MP. Nikon systems don't go for MP like the rest.Added on September 23, 2011, 9:20 am The standard even for APS-C sensors out there is above 16MPs these days. And full frames are hovering in the 24MPs range. There is PLENTY of leeway for cropping on a full sized sensor compared to a 2.7x crop. |
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Sep 23 2011, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Sep 23 2011, 07:37 AM) Looking at the prices in UK and US, the V1 doesn't seem to be a value for $ camera.. Not sure if it's impressive or not, because it's been done by Sony since long ago with their SLT and also other mirrorless.Maybe the only impressive thing is the fast focus in video mode. Maybe this is even more faster or accurate, but by how much? and is it noticeable difference? |
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Sep 23 2011, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Sep 23 2011, 12:59 AM) why not just shoot with ur current DSLR and crop it urself 2.7x in photoshop later... same kan? =_______________________= well, even from 200mm to 300mm doesnt sound like much difference.but i've already tried enlarging a 200mm image to 300mm equivalent, and it still loses out to a proper 300mm image...and thats only 1.5x. so yea, 2.7x enlarge will completely lose out. |
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