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post Sep 21 2011, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(smokey @ Sep 21 2011, 05:08 PM)
hi d7000 owners,

do any of u suffer from blur images taken with d7000?

it seems that a number of pictures that i took even with high shutter speed/VR on/flash appear not sharp...

a number of my images appear like the last picture in this thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...38682038&page=6

my ex nikon d40 with the same lens appear sharper when i pixel peep at 100%...
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Mine suffer from front focus issue, but yours seems different from your description in the page, which is kind of wierd, especially the one shot at very high shutter speed, seems there's obvious shake?
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post Sep 21 2011, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(four_add @ Sep 21 2011, 08:04 PM)
i got blur when focus recompose.. id direct snap, its sharp alright ..
http://www.digital-photography-school.com/...ecompose-method
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Keep showing this... clearly the photographer doesn't understand the concept and proper way to do. It's not the technique problem, it's the photographer.
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post Sep 22 2011, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(a.ihsan @ Sep 21 2011, 08:34 PM)
well technically its both... a bad photographer uses poor techniques
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I think you mean the photographer technique?
My meaning of the technique is as in the "concept".

Focus and Recompose is common, especially when those days without all these AF points or during film days. It's the photographer facing the problem and doesn't understand the concept and focus plane, etc.
Don't blame the technique.

QUOTE(four_add @ Sep 21 2011, 09:33 PM)
oic..  biggrin.gif  another article here mentioned like what you said, the difference isnt a big deal..
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/techn..._recompose.html
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As I said above, it's important to understand how it works, the concept, focus plane, etc. Don't blame the technique.

This problem is more apparent on larger sensor with wide aperture as the DOF is more shallow, even MORE if you shoot close-up.
Even with compact or handphone camera, if there is close focus or macro setting, the DOF can be shallow and people will still face this problem.
Instead of blaming the technique, try to understand what happen and compensate for it.
Example:
Try shoot close-up on a miniature model at widest aperture, focus on the eye and then recompose, if you change your angle, it'll be more obvious; Or try hold the camera 45 degrees, do close-up focus and recompose with the camera now straight, you would notice the YOU have shifted away from the focus plane, you can compensate back by moving foward/backward a little accordingly.

Adding on, on wider angles, and if you stand far enough which gives you more DOF, you'll have less problem even using wide apertures like f/1.8.

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Sep 22 2011, 01:09 AM)
The flashgun !!! LOL !!! HAHAHAHAHA !!! Can really bounce ??? Sure bor ???
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Can la, don't like that...

I notice in the video, one part when the photo is captured, the screen blacks out and got sort of "loading/saving" progress. Isn't it kind of slow compared with current competitors?
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 22 2011, 07:43 AM)
I'm thinking of kit lens sort of quality with the bundled lens. But anyways those images are night shots, should be better with day light shots. Just need to wait for more sample images.

Kinda excited to try one of those soon, hopefully it will be available for testing during KLPF in October.
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Daylight most camera will do fine, even phone camera.

The ISO range for this "1" camera is 100-3200, expandable to 6400.
I watch some videos, I think the unique part is the shooting modes, tracking, focusing? But I'm not sure why the delay during/after capture, and so on, feels like compact cam performance? Hope its not so.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 22 2011, 10:40 AM)
Seems like I have different experience with you, not everyone camera and even DSLR does well in nicely lit places. It all boils down to the sensor.
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Well, maybe I should put "generally", you may see many picture take outdoor in daylight. You may not be able to tell if it's DSLR (with "normal" lens), point and shoot (high end or low end), Handphone camera, etc easily. Sometimes, you can even see nice quality photos taken with point and shoot, while you can also see poor quality pictures taken with DSLR.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 22 2011, 11:19 AM)
Provided you don't do 1:1 pixel mapping to view. If you view it at 720p or something then of course. But when you blow it up to 1:1 pixel mapping, then its not.

Not to mention, comparing D90 and D700 as base ISO for taking outdoors, there is differences already.
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But how many people do 1:1 pixel mapping? When you post up to internet, or even print out; For daylight photo, you can hardly tell the difference, unless you know the camera very well. In broad daylight outdoor, even handphone camera can do wonders.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 22 2011, 11:31 AM)
Then in that case no need buy DSLR, you should just use handphone  wink.gif
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Haha, cool bro, don't so worked up.

Just saying that in day light outdoor, with enough light, most camera will do fine, "generally". Not saying DSLR is not good or anything.
So, for J1 or V1, if outdoor daytime, nothing much to compare, plus, most of the sample you see, are in smaller resolution; But in lowlight or dark area, even with small resolution, we can clearly tell the difference and see how well the camera will perform.


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QUOTE(EvanKeat @ Sep 22 2011, 11:34 AM)
well can't compare V1, J1 with existing nikon DSLR model. The objective of their mirrorless system is allow user alternative to jump from compact to another level higher but not a DSLR.

So some comprised are made on IQ, ISO, and etc. Think as an alternative and fun playing camera!

Anyway what the price in Malaysia? The variety of colours are cute! wub.gif
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That's not the problem. There're much more capable mirrorless already on the market, Nikon is already slow by years, and perhaps they wanna do like Nintendo DS/Wii? A different approach?

This is kind of risky, especially the pricing and not knowing what Canon might come out later. If it fails to meet the demands, what will Nikon do? Will they continue? If not, what happen to those who invested into this system?

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Sep 22 2011, 11:38 AM)
celciuz 1 - 0 Andy214

Hell yeah ~ way to go !!! C'mon c'mon !!!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Note: This is no flaming, I believe both celciuz and Andy214 see it the same. Let see what else differences between different individual perspective view could be biggrin.gif
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Nah, not trying to prove wrong or right, just saying, or DSLR is no good, or handphone is better, maybe for DSLR user to hear something like handphone can take good picture, or cannot differentiate between DSLR and handphone, can be "uncomfortable" and thus trigger the emotion. But, honestly speaking, maybe for "pro" they can tell lah, I'm no pro, and most people cannot even tell the difference. Let's be honest, show a bunch of pictures mixture of DSLR, point and shoot (low end to high end) and handphone camera, let people check and review it, they won't be able to tell the difference, and sometimes you'd be surprise they like the quality from certain pictures which maybe from point and shoot or handphone or DSLR.

In lowlight, it'll be different story and the output will be very obvious.

I think, this is a good example (maybe the pros may think otherwise):
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1...38229269&type=1


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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 22 2011, 12:12 PM)
Where did it state?

I read that you can still access it the conventional PASM in the menu but the knob is replaced by four positions which represent different applications of high speed stills and movie recording. The 'Motion Snapshot' mode combines a slow-motion movie with a simultaneously-recorded still image, while the 'Smart Photo Selector' mode takes 20 full-resolution images from a single shutter-button press (including some captured before the button is fully depressed), then analyses them,saving what it judges to be the best five (even recommending the very best of the bunch). There's just a single position to cover all aspects of conventional stills shooting, plus one more for movies.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/328171341...rst-impressions
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How does the shutter lifespan for mirrorless counted or works?
Does the 60fps or the "1200fps" thing actually affect shutter counts?
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Sep 23 2011, 07:37 AM)
Looking at the prices in UK and US, the V1 doesn't seem to be a value for $ camera.. sad.gif  doh.gif

Maybe the only impressive thing is the fast focus in video mode. hmm.gif
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Not sure if it's impressive or not, because it's been done by Sony since long ago with their SLT and also other mirrorless.

Maybe this is even more faster or accurate, but by how much? and is it noticeable difference?
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 23 2011, 10:32 AM)
1 nikon
> 73 AF point system?
> 1200fps low res motion snapshot
> magnesium alloy chassis

maybe when all little "wow" effects combined, it become a better chance in fighting in EVIL market?  hmm.gif
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"60fps" and "1200fps", I wonder how it affects/counts for shutter count. How does it works for these mirrorless?
It did mentioned "eletronically", I suppose it's not related to shutter count as in 1fps = 1 shutter?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 23 2011, 10:52 AM)
movie mode doesnt affect shutter count la.
else DSLRs will have to have their shutters replaced every few months tongue.gif
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Not sure it's under movie mode; I remember it says capturing stills at 60fps and you can merge them for movement or something, jpeg movie.
I suppose it doesn't affect shutter count, just curious

QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 23 2011, 10:56 AM)
For 60fps and 1200fps, it should be under LV mode. No actual shutter actuation I guess.
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I suppose so too, but the way they put the "60fps" and "1200fps" is kind of confusing as it doesn't put like video mode (e.g. 720p @ 60fps; instead it talk about capturing every moment as if capturing photo; I guess some sort of marketing tactic or something to make people "WOW" when others are doing 12fps. You know, people who see will say, this camera can do 60fps... although, the actual should be 10fps.
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QUOTE(Syncing @ Sep 23 2011, 02:29 PM)
Hi, Im a beginner in photography and I just got my D5100 a month ago. I'm looking to buy a zoom lens as my 2nd lens probably a few months from now, depending on my financial situation  tongue.gif
So I have found two zoom lens that fit my budget which is less than 1k.

1) Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 DG Macro Tele Zoom Lens
2) Nikon 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G AF-S DX NIKKOR ED VR Zoom Lens

So far the only major difference is the Macro ability on the Sigma and VR on the Nikon. Beside Nikon having the focal range from 55-70. Any ideas?
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100% to go for Nikon.

The Sigma "looks" like a good deal from it's definition, but you should check out the reviews as well as how it looks, see YouTube for examples. Don't be tempted by the name and macro, and it doesn't even come with "OS" (Optical Stabilization).


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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 23 2011, 02:47 PM)
Usually the 'macro' term in tele lenses are just marketing words. They are about 1:4 magnification only. Not a macro per se.

If it's only these 2 you have your eyes on, I suggest you go for the nikkor. But I'm not sure if I heard of 55-300, I'd heard of 55-200, 75-300 or 70-300 though. What do I know right? I'm not a nikon user.
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Yea, some up to 1:3 or 1:2, but you will need to zoom to max and at minimum focusing distance; It's good for normal macro, like foods, miniatures, toys, rings, etc.

The 55-300mm is pretty new, metal mount and better image quality, good MTF chart. The 55-200 seems soft at 200mm, while this 55-300mm does better. It's lightweight, easily shakes like crazy when zoom to max, until the VR kicks in, and the focusing is slow compared to 70-300mm Nikkor. Reviews also mentioned that 70-300mm, it's soft at 300mm, but the 55-300mm does better at 300mm.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 27 2011, 05:11 PM)
zzz...the nikon V1 looks like it cannot mount the regular SB600/700/800/900 flashes?
the P7000 can...
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There is dedicated Flash unit for V1, and also other accessories which complements video recording (including bigger touch screen enabled display).
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 27 2011, 07:09 PM)
i know got, but whats the point of getting existing users to buy new stuff if their old stuff is not compatible.

now this is a proper answer tongue.gif
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It's nice to have that, but still mean need to spend for the additional "accesssories", but at least there is an option.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 28 2011, 12:56 PM)
well, its pretty obvious then that nikon's target market are new / compact users who are upgrading, and didnt care at all for existing DSLR users who may want a portable system.
until of cos certain DSLR users starting making noise, that they decided to have adapters for the flashes and lenses tongue.gif
so looks like there should be enough demand from both kind of users.
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Interesting news? Recent news said that Nikon started this mirrorless earlier than micro 4/3 launch, it's about 4 years ago. What's more, they're saying something about DSLR quality.

http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/23/last-nik...spx/#more-22802

"When we started with this development, it was quite some time ago, it was prior to the Micro Four Thirds launch (almost four years ago)

We are quite confident that we achieved almost exactly the same quality as our DSLR

(Oh the Nikon 1 sensor) We developed it; we engineered and developed this sensor inside Nikon. But for the production side, that is done by our partner."

There're also ISO comparison with other mirrorless (including high end Compacts).

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Oh my... Nikon's latest "bold" statement/post in FB sparks a big controversy everywhere...

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/09/28/nikon-...ipment-he-uses/
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 29 2011, 11:15 AM)
should be like ... nikkor lens = amplifier?  so photographer skill good + a good lens = double win  tongue.gif
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Maybe they phrase/write it wrongly, or maybe it's the person who post it.

Anyway, that's some big mess; Wonder how will Nikon try to fix it.
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QUOTE(BenSow @ Sep 29 2011, 11:49 PM)
not exactly what I as looking for but thanks, that's one awesome website smile.gif
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You mean this?
http://www.pixel-peeper.com/

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