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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Liverpool 2 -1 Wolves : LS7 scored again

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farisq
post Sep 2 2011, 02:43 PM

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Wow a classy comment from Carra on Coates. That is humility and down to earth for you.

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Btw it's good to see Henderson doing well yesterday together with Flanno and Jonjo. Hopefully Flanno can regain is confidence and form. And let's hope all our players come through unscathed from international duty.
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 2 2011, 11:46 AM)
It's not about sentiments, it's a fact that he's the best DM in the team. No one can do what he does, not even Gerrard - at least not without you sacrificing Gerrard's other abilities which is attacking and terrorizing the oppositions. If you were to ask the oppositions whether they prefer Gerrard to stay back defending or attacking them i bet they would choose the former. Also a lot of people thinks it's easy to play DM when it's actually not. It's not just about getting yourself dirty going down tackling. It's also about reading the game and having the tactical discipline to stay in sync with the rest of the team. I can't be bothered to find the quotes but there are plethora of quotes from managers and coaches who claimed Gerrard simply do not have the tactical brain to become a central midfielder. At this point of his career, there's no point to reinvent the wheels and have him do something which he has not able to do with great success. I know what you're trying to say but for me it's counter productive to force out a DM out of hte team so we could play an attacking minded player to play as a DM.
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about lucas, just reminds me of a quote - in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
so he doesnt necessarily have to be the best, but probably the only option so far.

imo, to play our other midfielders in a defensive position would be a real waste of their attacking talents.

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post Sep 2 2011, 02:46 PM

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maybe can use stevie g as deep lying mid but he need a tough tackling def mid with him, like alonso with macherano
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i long ago said Gerrard is best with DM...but back then we dont have a reliable DM. But for now there is only 2 place he can be

1- Attacking Midfield Right
2- Behind Striker
3- Replace Adam/Lucas when they injured
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Sep 2 2011, 01:00 PM)
Happy or not it really is up to him to be. He should know that he should be happy whatever position he plays in and not sulk.
Well excuse the amount of sarcasm in your post, but that lampard, gerrard part. Who really knows what is the main cause? All i see is Gerrard moving to the left cause he's that complete of a midfielder to play anywhere not freaking lampard who well if you ever have seen him playing other than a cnetral midfielder? They are both two identical to each other and playing one of them centrally
is sufficient. Lampard cant play elsewhere. Hence the reason Gerrard is moved, IMHO.

Replying to one of ur sarcasm, nobody is untouchable not even even freaking Lucas. Gerrard can rot in the bench if he's not good enough, but he isnt.
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Ok enuff about the sarcasm, its not direct to u anyway but the Gerrard fanboys that cant take criticism.
The bold part, ever wonder why those ppl chose to entrust Lampard instead in CM even though Gerrard can be as successful or even more compare to him in central posistion? Gerrard is versatile but even that cant be the only reason he shoved to the left (or right in Reds case). Most lament his tactical indiscipline which left the defence alone cos his instinct is to attack spaces with marauding runs.
At first I thought his best position is cm but after reading & watching his positioning & work play, you'll notice he has the tendency to drift everywhere hence the free role granted to him.
Lastly I aint Lucas fanboy, but Gerrard fanboy but still it doesnt stop me from analyse & be critical of him.
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carra is defintely class act, hopefully kenny can start grooming him to be the next LFC manager. i think he would make a great manager!!! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(farisq @ Sep 2 2011, 02:43 PM)
Wow a classy comment from Carra on Coates. That is humility and down to earth for you.

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Btw it's good to see Henderson doing well yesterday together with Flanno and Jonjo. Hopefully Flanno can regain is confidence and form. And let's hope all our players come through unscathed from international duty.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Sep 2 2011, 02:43 PM)
Wow a classy comment from Carra on Coates. That is humility and down to earth for you.

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Btw it's good to see Henderson doing well yesterday together with Flanno and Jonjo. Hopefully Flanno can regain is confidence and form. And let's hope all our players come through unscathed from international duty.
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its very delightful from carra. Shows that there isno senority or 'gangs' in the dressing room.
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Sep 2 2011, 02:00 PM)

anyways if you have your brains busted reading this, back to the Lucas vs Gerrard on DM role,

my point is Lucas has been doing it almost his entire career, and he plays well to the orchestra, no under-doing, no overdoing it.
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everytime i mention, where are all the Lucas fans who were screaming for him to be unleashed as an attacking midfielder during rafa's time are...and they all saying how Rafa is wasting his talents by playing in a defensive role...they all go quiet.
no need to hide the fact that there were lots of guys here posting videos of how Lucas was a very good attacking midfielder in brazil...but the sad truth is once he arrives here the pace of the game doesnt give Lucas any time to create anything...

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post Sep 2 2011, 02:59 PM

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TBH, Gerrard's defensive skills are kinda reckless... The most I remember abt him was chasing back and do a sliding tackle whenever he lost a man...

Tat's why I don't really think he fit the shoe as a DM... He can play as Xabi Alonso, but not Lucas. As far as I am concerned, without Lucas, our rather weak defensive line should've conceded hell lots of goals.
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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Sep 2 2011, 02:59 PM)
TBH, Gerrard's defensive skills are kinda reckless... The most I remember abt him was chasing back and do a sliding tackle whenever he lost a man...

Tat's why I don't really think he fit the shoe as a DM... He can play as Xabi Alonso, but not Lucas. As far as I am concerned, without Lucas, our rather weak defensive line should've conceded hell lots of goals.
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just to refresh your memory here.
last season we conceded 44 goals...before that 35.
our best season where we finished 2nd, only 27 goals...and we all know the lineup during then.
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my views exactly, he need lucus in the team if we deploy him as deep lying midfielder

QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Sep 2 2011, 02:59 PM)
TBH, Gerrard's defensive skills are kinda reckless... The most I remember abt him was chasing back and do a sliding tackle whenever he lost a man...

Tat's why I don't really think he fit the shoe as a DM... He can play as Xabi Alonso, but not Lucas. As far as I am concerned, without Lucas, our rather weak defensive line should've conceded hell lots of goals.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 2 2011, 02:53 PM)
everytime i mention, where are all the Lucas fans who were screaming for him to be unleashed as an attacking midfielder during rafa's time are...and they all saying how Rafa is wasting his talents by playing in a defensive role...they all go quiet.
no need to hide the fact that there were lots of guys here posting videos of how Lucas was a very good attacking midfielder in brazil...but the sad truth is once he arrives here the pace of the game doesnt give Lucas any time to create anything...
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sometimes the style of football making the midfielder change his game... the game in spanish , argentina , brazil etc r all about the attacking football... their game rarely show any tackles made n mostly the defender will slowly shielding backward until reaching to the penalty box which is different in bpl here.. thus even a cb are likely to overlapping more than a time.. if watching their most of their goals u'll likely thinkin whether the scorer is purely a skilled player or the defender the is purely dumb in defensively biggrin.gif

take fab as example.. in ars he mostly playin a deep lying midfield n at barca he like to marauding till reaching the box tongue.gif


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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 2 2011, 02:48 PM)
Ok enuff about the sarcasm, its not direct to u anyway but the Gerrard fanboys that cant take criticism.
The bold part, ever wonder why those ppl chose to entrust Lampard instead in CM even though Gerrard can be as successful or even more compare to him in central posistion? Gerrard is versatile but even that cant be the only reason he shoved to the left (or right in Reds case). Most lament his tactical indiscipline which left the defence alone cos his instinct is to attack spaces with marauding runs.
At first I thought his best position is cm but after reading & watching his positioning & work play, you'll notice he has the tendency to drift everywhere hence the free role granted to him.
Lastly I aint Lucas fanboy, but Gerrard fanboy but still it doesnt stop me from analyse & be critical of him.
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Well, im sorry then. Yeah well, agree with his versatality. But i believe with KK in charge, he might be able to improve on his tactical display and discipline.
Have to stop here for a while , still more raya-ing to do.
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post Sep 2 2011, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 2 2011, 02:46 PM)
about lucas, just reminds me of a quote - in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
so he doesnt necessarily have to be the best, but probably the only option so far.

imo, to play our other midfielders in a defensive position would be a real waste of their attacking talents.
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Eloquently put. That's the thing with DM, the position is almost like a demilitarized zone where seemingly nothing fancy or spectacular ever takes place. The DM's main task is almost one dimensional - to provide a security blanket for the defenders. Whatever comes after that is a plus but that's not really required. Which is probably the reason why Vision wants Gerrard in there - to add a bit of spark. But as you said, almost any midfielders with attacking talents are wasted there as they are restrained from playing their usual game - which ironically what happened to Lucas.


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Long balls or simple passes from the DM position? I take long balls if anyone of them has the passing ability of Xabi Alonso, however neither has it, that leaves them with short passes. In order for Gerrard to play short passes and be creative, is to bomb forward, but is that what you want? We see that very often from Gerrard, don't tell me you can build a play behind the half way line.

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