Oath and Jamie Yeo was onz bra. She's nice as well hey. Met her in SOMO once during a Tiger event. She looks as good in person as she does on TV 

I share your absolute outrage and disgust over this whole Meireles transfer saga. How come our big names kept on being poached by rival clubs?

I mean I can understand if we poach star players from mid table clubs such as Sunderland and Everton but NOW we were made to look like mid table clubs by the likes of Chelsea and Real Madrid and Barcelona by the exodus of our star players.

On the contrary, i cant help but to throw up in gallons whenever i hear comments from players like Owen Hargreaves who claimed he will play of the scums for FREE...See how big the difference between us, Chelsea and Manure is when it comes to pulling power.?

Is Liverpool no longer consider one of the European footballing force and the dream club they once were?

Does Chelski's account book ever show a net profit?

Does oil ever run out in Russia? God damn it.

To be honest, we are not that worried about Meireles departure. The real issue here that the conundrum here is that star players no longer want to play for Liverpool and this trend is very unsettling. We need to look at the bigger picture.

Then again,  when u keep on buying unproven overrated English players for a ballooned fee it doesn't help that much either.

I only fear that we may become the next Arsenal.

I don't know exactly the point you are trying to bring to the table when you said Arsenal become like Liverpool after that 8-2 thrashing but I sure as hell know what I'm saying when I said

"We may become the next Arsenal"

as I was pointing to the fact that star players like Nasri and Cesc began to lose confidence at the club because the club wasn't spending their money wisely and investing on duds instead of proven players which eventually led to the departure of these players.

Dude we have been through what Arsenal are going through and that was just last season. We have lost Torres, Masc and Alonso and survived. And Arsenal are just suffering for a bit, but like us they will get better. It's not so much about the players, sometimes it's about the man who manages the team. Arsenal wouldn't be in this position had they bought smartly and quickly. And we have seem to have done our homework with Henderson and Adam. I can truly say we will not miss Mereiles that much. Not like how we missed Alonso.

Regardless of whatever REASON they left, does it really relevant that much in this discussion?

The point is, they all left to join other teams because they figure they will have a better chance of winning silverware elsewhere but not in Liverpool.

You think by moving to Chelsea, Meireles will get to start in more games than he was in Liverpool? Of course not, he will be benched just like another squad player just like how he was in Liverpool. But he certainly feel more comfortable and higher chance of winning having surrounded by more quality players around him.

Why Nasri or Cesc's departure are deemed irrrelevant? They left Arsenal with the same thing in mind, to join a stronger army hence giving them a better chance of winning. So does Torres. Mind you , Mascherano joined Barca to warm their bench
eventhough he was a starting 11 in Liverpool.

Put yourself in Meireles's position, you have been offered a chance to move to a stronger team, will you take the plunge? I'm not alluding that we are not on par with Chelsea, but unless we start winning games consistently and silverware and able to KEEP HOLD of our good players, our players will continued to be poached by rivals without any loose change.

I remember when i watched from astro a few days back..

They said Meireles was promised a wage rise when he first came to liverpool if his performances was good.

LIV didnt grant him his wage rise and the due to the options of midfielders in liverpool now..

So, RM was made dispensable by Liverpool..

Hmmm... I would disagree on Gerrard getting in a more forward position. His age is catching up to him. He needs to change his style of play and play a deeper CM role if he wants to play up to 36 - 40 years old. He can't always run like he did when he was younger if he wants prolong his playing career.

Don't think that will happen. Lucas is a very important player now for the team, more so than even Gerrard himself. I go as far to say that he's now part of the backbone of the new Liverpool team under Kenny. Look at how the team was concerned when he went down injured during the first half against Bolton. Besides, Gerrard will be wasted if he spend most of his time staying back screening the defense when he could be staying further up, marauding in the final 3rd. Imo, keep Lucas and Adam as CM duo as you get the near perfect balance of creativity and toughness to dominate the midfield. Then have Gerrard, Suarez, and Downing as the attacking 3 supporting the main striker. What i've noticed under Kenny is that the attacking 3 would always inter change positions through out the game. With those 3, you can see them swapping flanks all day long and not looked out of place. It's even more effective when Kuyt is deployed as a striker as you
even could see the striker dropping back or down the flank and Suarez taking over as the main striker. Has not worked so well with Carroll up top tho.

It's not about sentiments, it's a fact that he's the best DM in the team. No one can do what he does, not even Gerrard - at least not without you sacrificing Gerrard's other abilities which is attacking and terrorizing the oppositions. If you were to ask the oppositions whether they prefer Gerrard to stay back defending or attacking them i bet they would choose the former. Also a lot of people thinks it's easy to play DM when it's actually not. It's not just about getting yourself dirty going down tackling. It's also about reading the game and having the tactical discipline to stay in sync with the rest of the team. I can't be bothered to find the quotes but there are plethora of quotes from managers and coaches who claimed Gerrard simply do not have the tactical brain to become a central midfielder. At this point of his career, there's no point to reinvent the wheels and have him do something which he has not able to do with great success. I know what you're trying to say but for me it's counter productive to force out a DM out of hte team so we could play an attacking minded player to play as a DM.

You do realize that playing as a central mid requires you to do more than an attacking midfielder. You have greater defensive responsibility which means he has to track all over the pitch chasing and combating younger, stronger and faster players. Basically there's more physical and mental exertion playing as a central mid than it is playing as an attacking midfielder. He would not have this kind of responsibility if he would to play further up the pitch.
You're saying we could improve by having Gerrard playing by anchoring him, that's a step forward ? That's like saying lets play Kuyt or Maxi at fullbacks so we can have more attack minded fullbacks. It doesn't work that way. Kinda like forcing in a wrong piece to fit into an entire jigsaw puzzle for the sake of one piece. Gerrard may look like the piece but he's not the piece in its entirety if that makes any sense.  As a result it becomes more of a hindrance rather than an improvement and interrupting the entire balance of the structure of the team. The team is looking good now, there's good balance and can get better in time. You have Lucas doing what Masc was doing but better because he links up a lot better than Masc ever did for us. He also delegates the better attacking players around him to do the offensive work, which means player like Adam gets to express himself. This will not happen when Gerrard hogs the ball in central mid. Don't fix if it aint broke. Funny how we used to berate Rafa for tinkering with the team and now some of us want to do just that.

even King Kenny himself played in that position until he retired
Gerrard lack of discipline and I am sure he wont be happy not joining the attack with the likes of suarez , carroll , bellamy and kuyt.

Not only tactical brain, but he doesn't have the required discipline as well to sit still as in his area. Looks no further than when he & Lampard played as CM for England. Notice how he always involves & dragged all over the field by tactically sound teams. & ever wonder why Capello put him wide on left instead of Lampard?
It's not coincident that coaches from GH to SGE till RB & Capello all played him anywhere but CM. Maybe 'forummers' are better qualified than those prosessional & renowned coaches afterall
It's only when he learns to reign in his instinct & play to his tactical requirement that he'll be able to play as DM. He HAS the ability but not the discipline & tactical brain.

Oh btw hfi, u been long gone from this thread, its a freaking sin to talk bad about Stevie, whether to sell him (theoritically), shove him to the right or whatever. He's untouchable here

It's fixing when you are removing a player who currently happens to be one of our best performers on the pitch, and replacing him with another who's yet to play as a DM. Improvement would be replacing someone like Babel with Suarez. That's a major improvement. With Lucas and Gerrard it's not as clear cut as that. You add a bit of creativity which is lost when he's anchored behind the attacking players, at the cost of losing a player with superior tactical discipline and not to mention a more resilient individual. Sometimes less is more.

As usual, ppl always ignore the importance of good defending and it's never easy to defend well. One wrong judgement and you let opponent pass through; one wrong step and your goalkeeper will be exposed; one wrong tackle and you will be fouled or even carded. You see, defending is as important as offence and being good in defence is much harder than being good in offence since one won't blame you too much if you lost the ball upfront once in awhile but ppl will bash you a lot when you lost the ball at the back and subsequently conceded goals.

Just my 2 cents. 

i agree choose lucas instead of gerrard for DM....
if play gerrard & adam as midfielder, surely our defensive part will suffer....adam & gerrard defensive ability is not so good...the best position for him for now is AM or RM

gerrard is not suited to play def mid, he's too used to getting forward taking long shots and his tackling & postiion sucks.  maybe as CM but defintely not DM

Wow a classy comment from Carra on Coates. That is humility and down to earth for you.


Btw it's good to see Henderson doing well yesterday together with Flanno and Jonjo. Hopefully Flanno can regain is confidence and form. And let's hope all our players come through unscathed from international duty.

Ok enuff about the sarcasm, its not direct to u anyway but the Gerrard fanboys that cant take criticism.
The bold part, ever wonder why those ppl chose to entrust Lampard instead in CM even though Gerrard can be as successful or even more compare to him in central posistion? Gerrard is versatile but even that cant be the only reason he shoved to the left (or right in Reds case). Most lament his tactical indiscipline which left the defence alone cos his instinct is to attack spaces with marauding runs.
At first I thought his best position is cm but after reading & watching his positioning & work play, you'll notice he has the tendency to drift everywhere hence the free role granted to him.
Lastly I aint Lucas fanboy, but Gerrard fanboy but still it doesnt stop me from analyse & be critical of him.

Saw FA classic match between Liv VS Fulham, can't help but notice Didi Hamann's contribution throughout the match, he was superb...which explain why he was signed by GH and still utilize by RB. Breaking up opponents play, he did it with aggression and doesnt give face, I think Alonso learned quite a lot from him. His passing is also good, and my, how we miss his thunderbolt freekicks and long range shot..Gerard was DM but Didi covers most of the ground to allow Stevie to maraud upfield...would say Didi the unsung hero....just hope that Lucas can achieve this, not at this moment tho....even Masch is not as complete as Didi....

Same thing every season.Liverpool lose away to teams like stoke and draw sunderland at home.Then when we play against man utd,we raise our game and play with full spirit for 90minutes.I swear to you this is tiring and sickening.Same old plot for the 10years or so supporting liverpool.The older supporters have witnessed us winning the league but you have to pity the younger ones like me who are subject to crap from man united,chelsea and arsenal fans over the years.

Bale vs Skrtel is what we concerned, possibility of SG & VDV's return is the key of the match.