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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Liverpool 2 -1 Wolves : LS7 scored again

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post Aug 29 2011, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 29 2011, 12:02 PM)
quoted for truth
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Eh, maddie finally in. ur 1 trick pony's a Reds now & quite good as well. Much more better than I anticipated.

QUOTE(jason18689 @ Aug 29 2011, 02:12 PM)

Added on August 29, 2011, 2:13 pm
Eih? Enlighten me, why saying Dossena an arrogant prick?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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he knew him personally whistling.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(Luminous2 @ Aug 29 2011, 02:45 PM)
its still puzzling me why DC is at the match last night  hmm.gif . besides arshavin who would u all think that he's targeting? or he just simply there to watch/study the match?
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He wanna offer reinforcement to the Gunners since they want value for money brows.gif
Joe Cole + Poulsen = creative + experience DM for FREE drool.gif
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post Sep 1 2011, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Sep 1 2011, 09:26 AM)
get used to it guys...there is very little loyalty left in football...money, pride, ambition...these things are more valuable than loyalty...

wont blame Raul though.....at least until we know the real story....that goal during torres' `big' Chelsea debut will always be priceless...Thanks Raul...perhaps the only good outcome from Roy's tenure

but back to loyalty...get used to it....they'll kiss the badge today and be gone tomorrow...Owen, Mascherano, Alonso, Bellamy (u turn even), Yossi...

As much as i am excited about Suarez...give it another 1-2 years if he continue to sparkle like this....i am not surprised he will engineer a move elsewhere...I hope not, but that's football...so enjoy every players we have now..and give proper credit to the likes of Gerrard, Carragher..who stayed on..
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Most likely if we don't win anything, same case will happened as with certain no 9. Afterall he did stated he dreamt of playing for Barca 1 day. Thats football for you.

QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 1 2011, 09:42 AM)
Mind you, the exodus of star players is a disease. It's viral.

It shows that the club doesn't not have the steely desire or the financial horsepower to hold on to its best players.

Yes, you may say part of the reason is that the player doesn't want to play for the club anymore, but this may have caused by the inability of the club to bring in more star players. Exodus and influx of players has a symbiotic relationship. It's not like every club is cash rish like City or Chelski?..

Just look at Arsenal for case study. Who's next to go? Suarez? we gotta put an end to this disease...
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This don't have anything to do with Meireles case since he earned pittance compare to others & most likely seen as dispensable by KD. Afterall, surely we can do without offloading him IF we want to. See how he's not in preferred cm by KD formation? Furthermore as you mentioned, not every club are rich like rentboys & the sheikhs. So its inevitable financial balancing had to be performed.
As for Suarez, he edi stated his desire to go Barca 1 day, so brace yourself. Not every player is a fan/supporter of the club. They have own dream & ambition. Just hope when it happen, he wont go as low to go on strike like a certain Argentinian.

QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Sep 1 2011, 09:50 AM)
Really hate to say this but I guess Harry Redknapp is the only manager who can hold on to his valuable player. Its amazing how much power a player have nowadays. Arsenal already lost 2 of their best players.
And you wonder how Harry managed to keep hold of Modric and Bale even without champions league football.. You gotta to admire the way the Totteham manager are handling this kind of situations. The fans will still be happy to see their favourite players still playing for them.. For the other teams supporters, just don't print any players name on your newly bought jersey yet..
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You gave him too much credit. The one sanctioning any sale/purchase is Daniel Levy, Redknapp have nothing to do with it. How long you think they can hold on? Its inevitable that Modric will be sold regardless Spurs make it back to CL. As for Bale, he only established himself last season, so he's not that itchy yet. Gave him couple more years, he'll do a Modric. As far as all knew, Modric himself content playing for Spurs few seasons ago even without CL.
Furthermore, Bale will cost ridiculous sum of $$$ based on 1 great season, 80 mil...seriously yawn.gif
Anyway, to keep hold of players that wanting to go....is it wise? Can the said player perform professionally? For me I'd take the 40 mil & invest smartly, though I'd think there's no time to find replacement made Spurs unwilling seller.

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post Sep 2 2011, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 2 2011, 11:46 AM)
It's not about sentiments, it's a fact that he's the best DM in the team. No one can do what he does, not even Gerrard - at least not without you sacrificing Gerrard's other abilities which is attacking and terrorizing the oppositions. If you were to ask the oppositions whether they prefer Gerrard to stay back defending or attacking them i bet they would choose the former. Also a lot of people thinks it's easy to play DM when it's actually not. It's not just about getting yourself dirty going down tackling. It's also about reading the game and having the tactical discipline to stay in sync with the rest of the team. I can't be bothered to find the quotes but there are plethora of quotes from managers and coaches who claimed Gerrard simply do not have the tactical brain to become a central midfielder. At this point of his career, there's no point to reinvent the wheels and have him do something which he has not able to do with great success. I know what you're trying to say but for me it's counter productive to force out a DM out of hte team so we could play an attacking minded player to play as a DM.
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Not only tactical brain, but he doesn't have the required discipline as well to sit still as in his area. Looks no further than when he & Lampard played as CM for England. Notice how he always involves & dragged all over the field by tactically sound teams. & ever wonder why Capello put him wide on left instead of Lampard?
It's not coincident that coaches from GH to SGE till RB & Capello all played him anywhere but CM. Maybe 'forummers' are better qualified than those prosessional & renowned coaches afterall whistling.gif
It's only when he learns to reign in his instinct & play to his tactical requirement that he'll be able to play as DM. He HAS the ability but not the discipline & tactical brain.

Oh btw hfi, u been long gone from this thread, its a freaking sin to talk bad about Stevie, whether to sell him (theoritically), shove him to the right or whatever. He's untouchable here whistling.gif
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Sep 2 2011, 01:00 PM)
Happy or not it really is up to him to be. He should know that he should be happy whatever position he plays in and not sulk.
Well excuse the amount of sarcasm in your post, but that lampard, gerrard part. Who really knows what is the main cause? All i see is Gerrard moving to the left cause he's that complete of a midfielder to play anywhere not freaking lampard who well if you ever have seen him playing other than a cnetral midfielder? They are both two identical to each other and playing one of them centrally
is sufficient. Lampard cant play elsewhere. Hence the reason Gerrard is moved, IMHO.

Replying to one of ur sarcasm, nobody is untouchable not even even freaking Lucas. Gerrard can rot in the bench if he's not good enough, but he isnt.
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Ok enuff about the sarcasm, its not direct to u anyway but the Gerrard fanboys that cant take criticism.
The bold part, ever wonder why those ppl chose to entrust Lampard instead in CM even though Gerrard can be as successful or even more compare to him in central posistion? Gerrard is versatile but even that cant be the only reason he shoved to the left (or right in Reds case). Most lament his tactical indiscipline which left the defence alone cos his instinct is to attack spaces with marauding runs.
At first I thought his best position is cm but after reading & watching his positioning & work play, you'll notice he has the tendency to drift everywhere hence the free role granted to him.
Lastly I aint Lucas fanboy, but Gerrard fanboy but still it doesnt stop me from analyse & be critical of him.
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post Sep 3 2011, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(ahmar @ Sep 2 2011, 11:25 PM)
guys, I just went to google about the history of Bill Shankly. when i read the articles that i found, my hair stood on ends and i actually felt a bit choked as though tears was about to flow. really terharu and so ashamed that i havnt read this sooner (being a liverpool fan for as long as i remember). for those who doesnt know much about Shanks, i suggest you take 10 minutes and google this. its really.. ahh words cant describe it.. only sad to know that i didnt know all this stuff earlier.. go read up on Shanks on his birthday guys smile.gif

and HAPPY BIRTHDAY BILL SHANKLY!!!!  notworthy.gif
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Good for you for having the initiative. Feel more deeply in love with LFC when u knew them more rite. tongue.gif
You're consider lucky since the info nowadays is just a click away. Some of us had to search high & low due to unavailability of internet during our time.
Abyway, keep it up mate.


QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 3 2011, 12:01 AM)
aye
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Maddie, you're a minute too late. But better late than never tongue.gif
Here's to Bill thumbup.gif
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post Sep 5 2011, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 5 2011, 11:11 AM)
Never be afraid to stand by your opinion mate. People often remember what's most recent and honestly, how many have followed Hamann's Liverpool career from start to finish? Unless someone can justify why they disagree with you, it's an empty argument. In my opinion, yes, Hamann's reading of the game, ensuring he's in the right place at the right time to cut out attacks trumps Masherano's all action approach to defending. Don't get me wrong, I love them both. In fact I've never stopped being fan of Mascherano and have always only had good things to say about him even when he left for Barca when I defended his decision to the end. However, I preferred Didi's calm, calculated approach to the game over Masch's volatile temperament and over exuberance.


Added on September 5, 2011, 11:46 amSpeaking of defensive midfielders, here is an interesting write-up on Lucas. No denying the fact that he is no longer the attacking minded midfielder we signed from Gremio.

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/09/tragi...ucas-leiva.html
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The article seems flawed as I rmb read a more insightful article thats posted by hyperpower_youth IIRC. That article which I'm more agree with is that Lucas is never a AM. He's what a Brazilian called a 1st shipwright (or something like that) whose main duty is never attacking but provide an outlet of support to the Brazilian attacking quarter with spraying balls ard to his more attacking colleagues. This in turn make the teams more balance between defence & attacks in typical Brazilian teams.

I think Hamann brought a more steady & calming approach in contrast to Masch reckless & all action approach which is obviously more pleasant to eyes & often interpreted as more committed.

I like both but the simple facts that Masch practically forced a move by sitting out of match with reasons like Modric just made me rethink about his "commitment" wink.gif
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post Sep 5 2011, 03:49 PM

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suddenly cm area becomes thin tongue.gif
Recall Aqua laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 5 2011, 04:10 PM)
Lest we forget, Henderson can play a more central role with Kuyt out right.
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to be honest not really convinced by his display todate. Don't come across as playmaker/creative type to replace Adam...esp against physical teams like Stoke.
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post Sep 6 2011, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 6 2011, 12:43 PM)
knowing liverpool's luck...
both bellamy and henderson will get injured tonight tongue.gif
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Tot hendo back in melwood since Pearce let him off after last match hmm.gif
Or u meant Downing since whether Carroll injured or not is the same for now tongue.gif
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post Sep 10 2011, 11:56 AM

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Funny how those lot love this thread so much.
Tot its always their motto that one can say whatever they like in one's thread whistling.gif
oh wait, think its applicable to them only, others cant say a speckle bad about them wink.gif
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post Sep 15 2011, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Sep 15 2011, 08:55 AM)
I say by Duke Red's words, we are about akin to a certain Valencia and Athletico Madrid, no?
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more like Valencia than AM...always good but not good enuff to actually wins. Superstar agitated for move & dropping out of UCL. hmm.gif
ermmm ...wait, we're more alike to AM than I realised or want to doh.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(NoodlesJoe @ Sep 19 2011, 07:54 PM)
lmao i see good one. cool2.gif

as i live only 5mins away from anfield
we hear rumors from workers inside etc etc
this rumor has been going around since the start of the season.
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To be honest, its time for us to plan life without him, he's a great servant no doubt but at most he can performed for us is a couple of seasons unless he reinventing himself as holding midfielder ala Alonso.
I don't see him as a DM as it exert too much energy on a soon to be old footballer tongue.gif
So yeah, if there's ridiculous offers come in, that'll be a bonus.
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post Sep 21 2011, 03:53 PM

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Think the days of 2 strikers are numbered. Nowadays teams played with lone striker supported by AM/wings/auxiliary forwards etc. Fluidity is the word of the day now where most of the forward line can interchange position. Some can even play without out & out strikers with success. Eg include the manc, rent boys, inter/ac, even RM & Bayern.

The problem is the current team is not fluid at all, not when your most creative player is Adam who lack mobility. When the engine room consist of Adam/Lucas, both tend to play from deep without much pace, you'll need more pacy wide players to stretch play. Unfortunately we only have Downing to a lesser extend Bellamy or Suarez. I'd like to see how KD fit in Stevie when he's back.

Currently, the team is limited when Carroll is playing due to his inability to play at quicker pace or interchange position. I'd like to see a MF of Adam-Lucas-Gerrard supporting a frontline of Downing/Bellamy-Suarez-Kuyt. The team can morph into 4-3-3 or even 4-1-2-3 when attacking & revert to 4-5-1 when defending. Not to mentioned most of them can interchange position at will.

Theoretically its exciting but whether it can be moulded into the team play remain to be seen. Oh well, one can only dream
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 21 2011, 04:06 PM)
United play with rooney partnering with either welbeck,berbatov or hernandez.Chelsea play with two or three with anelka,torres,sturridge,kalou and drogba.
They do have a target man but that target man is not the lone striker.Carroll is our target man.
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Normally Rooney played as free role. Couple of years back they played without a recognize striker with much success smile.gif
As for the blues, everyone knew they play with 1 out & out striker with wide/wingers support (the wingers role can be played by Anelka/Kalou/Sturridge). Did you see how they fail to pair up Torres/Drogba or Torres/Anelka?
Some team list down 3 strikers but not all of them play the striker role just like Kuyt.
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post Sep 22 2011, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 22 2011, 09:39 AM)
Did we concede yet another penalty?

And is it me or has Reina's penalty saving mojo gone on a season long loan to timbuktu?
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Carra conceded again doh.gif

Reina's penalty saving mojo been permanently transferred couple of seasons ago wink.gif
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post Sep 29 2011, 11:55 AM

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How can you all forgot Sean 'Faster than Owen' Dundee. German as well though S.African bornt
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post Sep 29 2011, 03:03 PM

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Actually like those German players. Its like they're programmed with winning mentality not to mention high pens conversion rate biggrin.gif
But most of the talented Germans always end up in Bayern, seldom venture out of Bundesliga.
Case in point, Manuel Neuer, end up at club rival Bayern even though courted by most big guns.

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