in my opinion, migration to whichever country is a big step to take and must be considered seriously and extremely.

first of all, money is the greatest issue to be considered. no matter you're migrating there as skilled worker or business man, no money no talk coz you gotta be prepared to be jobless for a period of time while you still need to continue paying for the daily expenses.

then you gotta be prepared to lower down your status (very low) in order to take up any job opportunity that comes your way or else you'll continue to struggle until you die. true experience i heard from my dad, once a CFO migrated to aussie without proper consideration, thinking life will be as good as in MY due to his career profile. end up jobless long time, doing low rank job later, finally committed suicide coz couldn't bear with the life change, sad but true...

i think skilled worker especially professionals will have better chance of securing a job in aussie. my friend who is an IT professional migrated to aussie few years back. before that he actually had the interviews with aussie company while he's in MY, towards final stage only he flew there for face-to-face interview and got the job. soon after that he sold off his properties, quit his job in MY and moved to Sydney with his partner.

normally people migrate to aussie mainly because of lifestyle (work life balance) and education for children. undeniable these two advantages are something MY cannot guarantee. moreover, reality is not always so cruel to people who is determined with strong will to succeed. after all, we do see many successful cases and we can actually learn from that. initially everybody struggles to fit in because aussie is totally different country, culture, society, etc. but if one works hard, he/she will eventually succeed.

nowadays, there are many migration experts out there helping people to migrate in a legal and less struggling way. can try engaging them as consultant as they are the professionals with proper license.

This post has been edited by skippy999: Dec 30 2011, 01:58 PM

Then why you migrate?

fyi, im not criticizing Australia, just wanna point out to some that Aus have their bad points also..(so does MY)
and dun always think the grass is greener on the other end....
and the most important point dun migrate due to money.. as its not easy when u first step foot there..

The bottom line is, if you are really good at what you're doing, and those skills are in demand, then it will be relatively easy for you to survive in Australia, for there will be tough competition from other highly skilled, local or international workers.

Having said that, there are a few aspects that are way better than in Malaysia:
- education: rest assured, your children will be getting quality education and better access to world-leading universities.

- safety: it is much much safer to walk on the streets here at night (of course there are still places one should avoid) than in many major cities in Malaysia. Unlike Malaysia, police actually respond to calls and protect the people.

- people's mentality: in large cities, people are generally more 'civilised' in manner. The younger generations actually abhor racial prejudice, a problem still rampant among many Malaysians. Racial harmony is way better than Malaysia anyday.

- equality: No more discrimination from your own government, no more second-class citizen treatment. If you have PR then you basically get the same rights as the Australians.

This post has been edited by tester: Dec 31 2011, 12:11 AM

If you are talking about Sydney, then 650K, you can get a 2 bed room apartments with 2 bathrooms in areas like Ashfield, Strathfield, 10-20KM away from Sydney CBD. if you are lucky, probably a 3 bedrooms apartments. The house price in Sydney is very high.

you don't answer his question.
You migrated to ,australia because you were forced to by your husband?

I think your case represents the minority migrants. From my observation, most of them prosper after 1-2 years in aus. The first 6 months or 1 year can be a challenge to all migrants as they have to adjust to the new culture, environment etc. In terms of employment, the companies prefer someone with local experience. However most of them manage to secure jobs between 3-6 months. I have ex colleagues who migrated there & they said it's worth to face the challenge in the first fews months because after these challenging period, the fruits will start to bear...and they never looked back since. It's all has to do with our character and attitude of how we carry ourselves in a new country.

Not really. See my comments

Skills, I dun see the competition any tougher than what we are already facing here in MY. I think its generally the same, as long as u r good, they will take u.

Education, It really depends what are you looking for. Kids from government schoold in MY are laid back as well, unlike kids from chinese schools. At least the Aus government doesnn't travel back n forth on the question to teach maths in english malay or so. This, i have a feeling that they are treating this prob like a small kid, this minute this, another minute that. My kids would be studying about world history, instead of manipulated malaysia history.

Safety, Even the safest cities would have notorious and dodgy places I'm sure, but u can just compare their police service against ours. I don't think i need to further elaborate.

people's mentality, Again, dun we get discriminate the same way here in MY? Point is, u get discriminate in both countries. By stating in ur IC, Non Bumiputera race, is already discrimination. Whats the difference being a PR in Aus? Do u get treated any better in MY compare to Aus? Try applying for jobs in Bumiputera companies, ur CV will get rejected the same way as in Aus.

Equality, Don't the bumiputeras get to buy houses at a cheaper rate? Don't they get to buy special bonds that offer higher interest rates? Don't they get government link jobs and projects instead of us? Don't they get government scholarships even though with a much poorer result? Think again.

Point is, we grew up in this country. More or less, our roots are here although many may deny it. Our parents, friends, relatives are all here, it ain't easy separating from them, letting all go and start all over again in a new environment. We would certainly weigh the consequences before making any wrong regretful moves, and that is why this thread was started. We do not know the actual condition in Aus until we experience it ourselves, till then, we can only listen and depend on others to feed us information and imagine the situation in Aus. Its most unfortunate that we resort into consideration of migration which proves that we see no further growth or rather slow growth in our country compare to the others which would hold us back, stifle our career advancement as well.

If given a better option, I can bet no one would abandon their home country for a foreign environment.

Nope. Then why not try Singapore instead of Australia? I'm not promoting SG btw.

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This post has been edited by tester: Jan 12 2012, 12:26 PM

Agree. This is a more generalize and informative post. No offence, but 'mecury', some of your points and statements might sound a bit narrow, instead of a generalize and taking things with an open mind.

Ok, well what else do we not know about Australia then?

The replies given by tester are very true and valid. Those my ex-colleagues who migrated to Australia and are happily settle down there share the same opinion as tester. The fruits will eventually bear if we keep our options open in terms of employment.

T3N5AI, beware of mercury8400. This fella is pouring cold water & he's jealous of people migrating to a better place with greener pastures. Let me elaborate more on the so called 'asian names when looking for job in aus' brought up by mercury. Most Aussies do not know how to pronounce our Asian names particularly Chinese names. If the Asians adopt an English first name in their CV, it would make life easy for the employer to call you. It doesn't matter if the surname is Lee, Wong, Ong, Leong, Yap, Chan etc etc. Here I don't see it's a problem coz most Chinese working in Msia adopt an English name in their work place for whatever reason...glamour, I guess. Those who never used an English name while working in Msia, then just address yourself as John Tan, Michael Chan, Andrew Yap, Harry Wong etc once you're in Aust. It's not a problem at all, mercury8400 jz talking rubbish without knowing the facts and it only makes him look like a fool.

Making assumptions about me eh?
Even if you have a english name and can "fool" the aussie, how are you going to "fool" him during interview?
Paint yourself white?

There're lots of asians who speak the same English accent like us hold high post in banks, listed companies, mnc in Aust. It's their capabilities that make them succeed in their career & not age, gender or skin colour.
From how you post your comments, it's evidently clear that you're pouring cold water & jealous of people seeking greener pastures in a better place.
Then why are you in Singapore? why don't you stay back in Malaysia?

How is Aus a better place compared to SG?

1) SG welcomes foreigners especially Chinese Malaysian - Aus, not really a welcome foreigner kind of place with its tight immigration law.
2) Easy to get PR/Citizen - None of that point based sh1t or "tightening of immigration laws" happening every year in Aus.
3) No discrimination. Actually most com in SG prefer to employ Malaysian since MOST can speak good English, Mandarin and Malay (3 main language of SG). - Aus prefer caucasion Australian or UK/American/European not so much Asian, unless you work in an Asian firm. Def mentioned there are lots of Asian holding high ranking position, but how many in terms of % compared to caucasion? Ans: very few if compared to Caucasion.
4) Low tax. - Aus Super high tax....as high at 30-40% of total package.
5) Safety. - Aus not as safe as SG
6) Career prospects. -Many Regional HQ are in SG - Aus, Not many only Aus based company has HQ in Australia.

So the question is why go to a place that don't welcome you in the first place? (especially if you are thinking of "finding" a job there and not a PR yet)

[COLOR=blue]SG and Oz are 2 very different countries. Yes laws are being tightened especially over the last 2 years. This was done to try and ensure that only ppl who are needed come into the country based on their skillset, age etc etc.They can do this tightening due to the sheer number of ppl who want to go over. If nobody wanted to migrate over, why bother to tighten the laws? In SG I assume that they still need alot of workers plus I guess MSia and SG's relationship is probably similair to Oz's relationship with NZ where both citizens can travel freely without much paperwork.

I agree with pretty much all your points above. They are true to a certain extent. Yet we still have a ton of msians and singaporeans working here me being one of them. What most of them say is yes its true we get taxed alot more, yes we may have some SLIGHT discrimination, yes MAYBE our prospoects won't be good as SG...but what about the work culture and work/life balance compared to Oz? If you work in SG/Msia, how many hours a day do you work? Do you work 8-9 hours a day and go home without bringing work home? Can you leave work early if you have something to do like a dental appointment? Do you have to wait for your boss to leave before you can leave? Do you have to come in to work on weekends or meet up with your boss to review a paper at 8pm at night?

Sure in SG you may get more money, earn less tax but how much are you actually earning PER HOUR of work? So if you consider all this and you still think SG is better then by all means stay on. Just my 0.02 since not everyone has the same work conditions be they in Oz or Msia or SG

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I am not promoting Aus & I also agree that Singapore is good for many Malaysians to seek greener pastures. There're lots of Singaporeans migrated to Perth- you should ask them why? Perth has gained a nickname called '2nd Singapore'.

I am still waiting for you reply to Tester comment. Why are you so quite? & or you have lost your face, dare not reply anymore.

Below is your posting taken from other thread:-
"But then again when the economy is bad (like this year) or they don't need you or can find a better replacement than you, its bye-bye to you. There is no job security in SG. Unlike in M'sia where you can go to the labour court and claim unlawful dismissal, in SG no such things."

You should recognise the above comment made by you in other thread. Then why are you still in Singapore? if you feel that Malaysia is better.
You have made yourself a stupid fool by posting stupid comments that have no proof to support.


This post has been edited by Def: Jan 13 2012, 12:13 PM

If people like you who wants to make "a country that does not welcome you", richer then be my guest.

Perth is just a small town with no financial hub and mostly for commodities and mining. Not all people can suit to the lifestyle.

And what the fu*king shit are you talking about? When have I said M'sia is a better place you freakin numbskull? I have never -repeat - never said that Malaysia is better. Pls Get Your Facts Right, Mr Know It All. Go and search and tell me where.

You are the stupid fool who said that i said Malaysia is better. I have never said that ever in my post. I said SG is a better bet than Aus.

And what is this sh1t about Aus HQ in overseas. How old are you 15 years old you fuc*in numbskull? Grow some pubic hair before you start replying.

I don't owe you are anybody any explanation, you dim witted, white trash worshipping, piece of cow sh1t!!!!

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Added on January 13, 2012, 1:07 pmYou are promoting your stupidity and your foolishness....
Go finish your study before posting in Jobs and Careers, you dim witted sh!t.
f***in failure and a shame to all Malaysians!

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Added on January 13, 2012, 1:12 pmThe only thing you know how to do is quote other people! You dumb sh1t. Cme out with your own opinion you fool!

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Jan 13 2012, 01:12 PM

Just wonder hmm I don't know if here suitable to ask as well.
A friend of mine just apply and successfully get the New Zealand work and travel pass thingy, he ask me to apply as well since it is my last year 30 years old haha to apply, cause he got an opportunity to trial in vodafone, so he advise to apply the work travel pass thingy and try my luck.

Anyone can advise?