You "fool" your potential employers with your impressive qualifications, with your superior intellectual capacity, with your excellent communication skill (preferably with impeccable English), with the invaluable expertise and experience that you can bring to the company and with positive attitude and motivation.

If you think a job interview is about race then you've got it all wrong then!

The largest barrier you're going to face in Australia is perhaps the lack of a PR visa, which makes many employers hesitant to hire you. However, being really good at what you're doing (preferably with your skills in demand and having an Australian qualification and of course, excellent grades) and an excellent communicator can substantially improve your chances of getting hired.

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Added on January 13, 2012, 6:15 pmLet's not turn this into the Australia vs Singapore thread as I find it extremely naive for one to judge which country is "better" based on generalisations alone.

I am certain that Singapore is a great country with many career opportunities. However as others have said, these are two very different countries. Many factors go into play here, eg. career growth and prospect, the specific skill sets you have, the saturation of workforce in your field, work/life culture, long-term expectations (many people migrate to Australia primarily for the sake of their children's future) etc.

Having said that, I'm not going to compare Australia with Singapore as I have not lived in the latter, but the misconception regarding Australia here warrants some clarification.

Tight immigration law thanks to the people who exploited the system over the years. Gone were the days where taking a hairdressing course makes you an eligible PR. Now they prefer someone who bring certain expertise and skill sets that are in demand. (Although I don't like some of the stupid rules set by policy makers who don't really know what they're doing, I'd rather it tighter than bring in people who actually can't contribute much)

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I wonder which part of Australia have you been living in? My guess is that you never lived here at all.

Asian firms? You mean the Big 4 like KPMG? Engineering firms like Motorola and IBM? Seriously, in the financial sector, especially in the Big 4, Asians (both locals and immigrants) make up as many as 50% of the workforce there! So are the major engineering firms where you'd be surprised if you don't see half of them are immigrants from East Asia, India or the Middle East. And yes, many of them made it to the managerial levels, although non-native English speakers can have a hard time going further up (director and above), but that doesn't mean they are not there.

Just to pull a random example (in fact, so random that I don't know how it came to my mind), the past president of Australian Computer Society (ACS) was a Chinese, and the one before him an Indian.

If we're talking about the really high level position eg. directors/CEOs, remember that Australia is a 90% Caucasian country, and the majority of Asian immigrants have only been here since the 90s, it's more of a demographic problem rather than discrimination (although I will not deny discrimination does happen, so is everywhere else). Also at this level it's more about political ties and nepotism rather than your skills (which also happens in many other places), though you can still find some first-generation immigrants with exceptional credentials made it there. Similarly, most of the local Australians will never make it to this level in their lifetime.

I don't know about Singapore but I'm all for social democratic policies. You pay your tax which in turn is invested in education, healthcare, infrastructure, social welfare and contribution to the community.

I'm sure Singapore is a very safe country to live in. In regard to Australia, cities such as Melbourne/Sydney are also some of the safest places to live in. I don't think there are much differences there.

(Disclaimer: Crime does happen, no matter where you live, so individual experience may differ.)

Don't know about this one. Very much dependent on your field, your expertise and your expectations.

It is exactly this sort of mindset that has baffled me for a long time. If you think people out there are always discriminating you based on your race, then it makes you no different than a racist, actually. I've heard that Asian immigrants are even more racist than the white people, and now I tend to believe this may perhaps be true after all. "If I didn't get anything I want, then it must be because of my race!" (ironically applicable to Malaysia though, because racism is institutionalised and openly practised by the government) Sadly I've seen many immigrants playing this sort of victim mentality (inferiority complex?). Attitude like this actually reminds me of people that always lay the blame on other people, it's NEVER their fault or inadequacy.

Not to mention that your preconception about "people not welcoming you" is completely wrong. If they don't welcome you, probably because they see nothing valuable in you (no offence, some skills may have been saturated), but to say it's race just proves that you never have lived here and integrate with the local society.

Judging from your other posts here, you seem to have problem with white people... what's wrong with them actually? I actually find them more friendly than many Asians, who tend to give you some WTF look when you approach them.


This post has been edited by tester: Jan 13 2012, 06:15 PM

you are very childish.

all in all, if you don't agree with staying in australia, just stay away from it.

it really depends how eager to stay over here. MANY people failed to secure their desire jobs but you know that is not easy to get a job if you not local.

i spent 6 months looking for job(around 100 applications ever week), secured a nice job in university, 20% higher pay than average fresh graduate salary, can save 50% of my 1 month salary per month, going back malaysia next week for CNY holiday and i can't wait to use my salary to shopping in malaysia..

i happy with the money for now but the only rant is i prefer malaysia lifestyle

Many times i've highlighted that this is absolutely not a thread for arguements but rahter open discussions. I know its a thin line that separates both, but try not to cross the line please.

Hmmm, there's definately pros and cons staying / working in Australia.

I've been working in Australia for at least 2 years ever since I graduated.
You can say that I'm a few lucky ones that got scouted by an Australian company that based in Perth, hence the company is willing to organize a 457 working visa.
But that was 2 years ago, and even then the process actually took at least 3 months to complete. Not sure how tight the migration process now though.
Oh, note that I'm a geophysicist, which relates to the O&G industry, maybe that helps to speed up the process?

Well, I'm speaking of my personal experience so it will not reflect the general situation in Austalia.

For my company, its all about performance and final outcome. We have a very flexible working hour, you may come in at 9am and leave at 4pm if you want, as long as you finished your work.
You may even come in at 8pm and work till the next morning if that's comfortable with you.
I don't think most of the company in Malaysia allow these flexibility yet. Still adhered to the normal working hour 8-5 mindset.

The tax in Australia is very high though, especially you're an expat that come to earn AUD. The more you earn, the more tax you get.
My tax is close to 24%.

As for career advancement, my company practices the annual performance evaluation, so if you perform well, you'll be rewarded.
Its a fair fight for everyone.

Although I wouldn't deny that there is slight discrimination outside of my work, i.e patroning certain restaurant, shopping at the supermarket, or walking on the street.
I don't particularly disturbed by the occurrence, because some people are just like that.
Most of the time, the people in Australia are very friendly and polite.

Working in Australia, you gain new experience, visiting more places, and not to forget that it boosts your resume as well =)

A good thing to share in the morning

I worked in IT, and does have flexibility as well :-) as in dun have to go to office at all if i want, as long as i can finish my work :-)

same to me.

the only issue for IT in malaysia is u need to stay in office after working hours and sometime doesn't get paid for OT too

The thing I notice is, the people that stereotype Asians, are just Asians themselves. I've seen very little places in Malaysia that need you to stay in office if there is nothing to do. Are there are a lot of work in Australia that needs to do unpaid overtime too...

Don't expect working environment will change to be better just because its in Australia. Its really down to individuals and down to the company that you are working in.

You are right working in Australia is a very good experience and boost to your resume.

One thing i wanna to add is the tax in Malaysia also very high too 27% which i believe is higher than Australia. Better work in other country haha..

27% is the highest bracket in Msia. The highest bracket here is about 47%

in my case(my company/uni), they will let u go in time or earlier.if busy,they will ask who want to stay for another 1 hour and course its paid. if OT after 6pm, the paid will be 50% more.
i worked OT during sunday and i got double for that day

That's the benefit in Aust. In Msia, the companies will treat you like trash even if you work on Sunday.

Seriously you need psychiatrics helps. Your mental 'allignment' has gone out of tune.

Mostly based on the companies, but many local based companies tend to overwork their employees rather than increasing capacity thus OT becomes a norm and expected thing. The same might happen in Australia as well, but if a person is constantly working beyond normal hours there its a strong indicator that they need to hire more, while in Malaysia its just 'normal' because thats how it is.

This post has been edited by xjeez: Jan 15 2012, 12:10 AM

mercury8400, I have been absent for more than 2 months now. I just saw your reply to my comments. It seems that you cannot accept that whatever you post so far are all stupid post and baseless. I have provided you with the relevant links & comments which are more than sufficient to quash or invalidate all your posts. Go & read thru again all my previous comments & links. If you still come back with all your stupid comments to argue, then either your English is just too poor or you're completely a moron.
On the other hand if you want to upgrade yourself to become a Moron master, then you can post more comments with all the 'colourful' bad words like you always do. I am eagerly waiting for your reply with all your colourful bad words & we can celebrate your new status as Moron King. I wonder with your personality, you're just any small fries in your company with your employer has no confidence at all with your work. That's why this LYN is a right place for you to shout like a complete moron.

Hope I am not too long winded, go & read thru again all my previous posts & links. I have provided sufficient evidence to invalidate all your immature & stupid post.

Please dude, no trash talking going on in here. The guy has his rights to express his opinions and we can choose to ignore them or heed those advices, its up to individuals to make the choice.

I just read his earlier replies posted a few months back.

With this kind of attitude no wonder he always feel like he was being racially discriminated, and that he was not welcomed in Australia. It has nothing to do with his race, nobody likes an arsehole, period.

Its true. It all depends to the individuals and the company.

My company didn't pay us any OT though, so staying longer in the office, won't gain you anything.
But, there are times that you need to work overtime, just because chasing deadlines, preparing reports and so on.

The effort you put up for your work, will be noticed, like taking responsibility of the projects, making sure its done.
Most often the westerners, as your boss will say to you, "Thanks for your hardwork" . And again, if you got a caring boss that is.

This ^ comming for someone who accepted other forumers claims "bulat-bulat" and chose to discredit sources when presented. ^ has selective hearing. He hears and believes what he wants to believe.

I've studied in Aus for 3 years and worked for 3 in a very respectable Bank in Aus. I know what I saw and I know what i've been through. All the Asian in my batch has left due to similar reason. There are those that choose to accept it (like they accepted it in Malaysia - when working for GLC) and there are those that don't and move on - those that migrated. I'm just telling those who have NOT been to Aus to NOT be swayed by sweet talks of all the Pros of living in Aus. In other words I'm giving you an alternative view from all the non-sense some forumers spew without working in Aus or just because few were lucky enough to land a "good" job.

In fact, if yr NOT a PR (and even if you are) and NOT in mining, the real unemployment rate is Aus is at 8.6% and it's tipped to increase further. http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/aussie-une...ed-rise-4689531. And I'm quite sure White Knight or someone else will reply and say that the source is flawed, an attempt to spoil their dream country or just insult me. SO you believe what you want to believe but facts are there.

Which is also why many Australians actually migrated OUT of Aus to somewhere else mostly UK, HK and SG.

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Added on January 16, 2012, 5:42 pm^ this comming from someone who went to the SG forum and posted a "can someone get a banking job for me in SG" plea in broken english.

Nice!
Be sure to insult/make sacarstic comments to yr interviewers (assuming you even have an interview) when they tell you your weakness.

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Added on January 16, 2012, 5:46 pm^ and each time i post a "moronic" comment, you replied with gusto in an equally moronic replies.....Takes one to know when, eh?



This post has been edited by mercury8400: Jan 16 2012, 05:46 PM