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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V11, The Darth Vader troops !

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post Sep 13 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Sep 13 2011, 10:52 AM)
D90 is no doubt a good DSLR but why do you plan to upgrade to D7000? Mind to share any limitations in D90 that has been fixed in D7000?  smile.gif
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Hi,

I'm not satisfied with D90's AF — it's quite primitive when compared to D7000. I've tried shooting with the latter and the difference is big. Not only in AF but also colors, sharpness and dynamic range. Also, it records in 1080p with AF in video mode ;D

Edit: A good site to compare cameras http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon_D7000-vs-Nikon_D90

This post has been edited by darkavenger: Sep 13 2011, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(darkavenger @ Sep 13 2011, 11:21 AM)
Hi,

I'm not satisfied with D90's AF — it's quite primitive when compared to D7000. I've tried shooting with the latter and the difference is big. Not only in AF but also colors, sharpness and dynamic range. Also, it records in 1080p with AF in video mode ;D
Yup, for video guys like darkavenger, then the 1080p is a good option..
For people that doesn't take video like me then no use also hahaha
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post Sep 13 2011, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 09:02 AM)
8.5k ?  shocking.gif

okay boss.... body only?
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Well, such level of bodies don't usually come bundled with lens.

QUOTE(geekster129 @ Sep 13 2011, 09:39 AM)
8.5k? Dayummm!!!

I think most likely I will still have to buy D700 just like how I decided to buy D90 last time even though my friends ask me to wait for another 4 months for D7000 to come out!!!
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It is just a rough estimation comparing to D700's launch price. You can't expect the D800 to be priced at the current RM6000 of D700 right? sweat.gif

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 10:44 AM)
last time i watch review about D700, is that live view of D700 is still slower a bit?  unsure.gif
like start up or etc...now lazy watch again XD
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Main reason people use DSLR is for the optical viewfinder... to be frank, I rarely use my live view. Used once or twice, that is also for framing for landscape since LV has 100% coverage. If I'm using D3s or something, I don't think I will even be touching on the LV.

QUOTE(geekster129 @ Sep 13 2011, 10:57 AM)
D3s... lolz... The Ferrari of Nikon DSLRs.... expensive wei!
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Top of the range, Italia? tongue.gif


Added on September 13, 2011, 12:32 pm
QUOTE(darkavenger @ Sep 13 2011, 11:21 AM)
Hi,

I'm not satisfied with D90's AF — it's quite primitive when compared to D7000. I've tried shooting with the latter and the difference is big. Not only in AF but also colors, sharpness and dynamic range. Also, it records in 1080p with AF in video mode ;D

Edit: A good site to compare cameras http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon_D7000-vs-Nikon_D90
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Somehow I feel D7000's AF advantage over the D90 is more cross sensors, and better coverage. But the non cross sensor still perform as bad as D90's non cross sensor. The same goes to my D700's 51AF, the non cross sensors isn't good.

Well... if the D800 has better coverage of cross sensor... I'm in for upgrade xD.

This post has been edited by celciuz: Sep 13 2011, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(geekster129 @ Sep 13 2011, 10:57 AM)
D3s... lolz... The Ferrari of Nikon DSLRs.... expensive wei!
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post Sep 13 2011, 01:11 PM

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Tats why u need wandeeassmakthree tongue.gif

19cross af all over screen.

Or wandeemakfor 39 tongue.gif
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post Sep 13 2011, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 13 2011, 12:30 PM)
Well, such level of bodies don't usually come bundled with lens.
It is just a rough estimation comparing to D700's launch price. You can't expect the D800 to be priced at the current RM6000 of D700 right?  sweat.gif
Main reason people use DSLR is for the optical viewfinder... to be frank, I rarely use my live view. Used once or twice, that is also for framing for landscape since LV has 100% coverage. If I'm using D3s or something, I don't think I will even be touching on the LV.
Top of the range, Italia? tongue.gif


Added on September 13, 2011, 12:32 pm
Somehow I feel D7000's AF advantage over the D90 is more cross sensors, and better coverage. But the non cross sensor still perform as bad as D90's non cross sensor. The same goes to my D700's 51AF, the non cross sensors isn't good.

Well... if the D800 has better coverage of cross sensor... I'm in for upgrade xD.
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okay, boss
how about when you put your DSLR on floor? low until cant lying on floor that one.... XD
then had to rely on Live view right? or when not enough tall, you had to rely on Live view also right? unsure.gif
that's why i ask that XDDD

QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:11 PM)
Tats why u need wandeeassmakthree  tongue.gif

19cross af all over screen.

Or wandeemakfor 39  tongue.gif
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OT: what the heck with the nymph, i wan azunyan. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:21 PM)
okay, boss
how about when you put your DSLR on floor? low until cant lying on floor that one.... XD
then had to rely on Live view right? or when not enough tall, you had to rely on Live view also right?  unsure.gif
that's why i ask that XDDD
OT: what the heck with the nymph, i wan azunyan.  unsure.gif
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Well, DSLR use in LiveView mode is IMHO, worst than Point and Shoot, it's slow and it blacks out. Plus, the handling when using LiveView, you'll find that even using handphone is better to handle since it's light, small, compact, easy to reach, etc. Unless really there's need for it, I try to prevent using LiveView; Those with swivel LCD might give more reason to use, but still the performance is still the same.
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:21 PM)
okay, boss
how about when you put your DSLR on floor? low until cant lying on floor that one.... XD
Change your angle and composition.

then had to rely on Live view right? or when not enough tall, you had to rely on Live view also right?  unsure.gif
Get a stool. I'm sure you seen photographer carry ladder with them other than tripod.

that's why i ask that XDDD
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post Sep 13 2011, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:21 PM)
okay, boss
how about when you put your DSLR on floor? low until cant lying on floor that one.... XD
then had to rely on Live view right? or when not enough tall, you had to rely on Live view also right?  unsure.gif
that's why i ask that XDDD
OT: what the heck with the nymph, i wan azunyan.  unsure.gif
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I would use NEX camera just for that kind of shots. tongue.gif
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post Sep 13 2011, 01:51 PM

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During my time using d300s never use the LV myself..
Last Raya ask my fren's brother shoot us then the 1st time use the LV

On my d90 I use it once or twice also..

Rarely find that time where I need to 'lay low on the floor' or shoot high angle..
If I need high angle or low on the ground; then why use my d300s/d90? My Sony a350 have a tilt screen that serves that purposes..
Using LV while it's on the floor, means I have to bend down more (already squatting?) Rite? Thus, the tilt screen comes in handy..

But if I wana shoot fast; will never use LV also. Just point blindly and shoot.mostly because of luck, 90% can get the angle that I want; or I'll just crop during PP later..

Cheers!
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but then dont you hope nikon DSLR's live view speed on par with the compact? brows.gif

live view and movie speed are same or not? for D90,D3100,D5100 or others support live view.
you guys use view finder to record movie or live view?

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You cant record video through the viewfinder...have to use live view to record. Canon and nikon alike rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:21 PM)
okay, boss
how about when you put your DSLR on floor? low until cant lying on floor that one.... XD
then had to rely on Live view right? or when not enough tall, you had to rely on Live view also right?  unsure.gif
that's why i ask that XDDD
OT: what the heck with the nymph, i wan azunyan.  unsure.gif
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I got one azunyan 1/7 figure pending... not yet release brows.gif

meanwhile i still play nymph first drool.gif

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 02:01 PM)
aiya kena bantah balik  tongue.gif

but then dont you hope nikon DSLR's live view speed on par with the compact?  brows.gif

live view and movie speed are same or not? for D90,D3100,D5100 or others support live view.
you guys use view finder to record movie or live view?
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Due to SLR technology, it's the limtation, the mirror flip will cause the blackout and then there's the shutter.

You want better live view speed, can check out SLT from Sony, the mirror stays in place, thus it can do way better continuous auto-focus.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 13 2011, 03:04 PM)
Due to SLR technology, it's the limtation, the mirror flip will cause the blackout and then there's the shutter.

You want better live view speed, can check out SLT from Sony, the mirror stays in place, thus it can do way better continuous auto-focus.
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ya hor =x
i duno sony's SLT price, is it cheaper compare to spec... ?
but then gonna re-learn again the system / menu GUI lor unsure.gif


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I got one azunyan 1/7 figure pending... not yet release  brows.gif

meanwhile i still play nymph first  drool.gif

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for figure shot, got consider bring to something green and blue to shoot? thumbup.gif
like flower grass and a clear blue sky with sharp cloud.
add a picnic cloth , add a toast , a cup of kopi...oh wait...anyway duno why when thinking about figure, i always like to put on grass XD

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:28 PM)
Well, DSLR use in LiveView mode is IMHO, worst than Point and Shoot, it's slow and it blacks out. Plus, the handling when using LiveView, you'll find that even using handphone is better to handle since it's light, small, compact, easy to reach, etc. Unless really there's need for it, I try to prevent using LiveView; Those with swivel LCD might give more reason to use, but still the performance is still the same.
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Funny, the live view problem doesn't happen at all in my entry level DSLR. hmm.gif

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 13 2011, 03:16 PM)
ya hor =x
i duno sony's SLT price, is it cheaper compare to spec... ?
but then gonna re-learn again the system / menu GUI lor  unsure.gif
Aiyo..what's so hard to re-learn to interface again.. one day of fiddling around then you can get used to it already...
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I think that the white balance on the D7000 is far more accurate than the D90. What about the D700?
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Andy214, Agito666, mind if I give opinions and facts on Sony? The SLT is more on high speed AF in video, more on that later. Normal Sony live view since its 1st LV enabled DSLR (A300) is already using the quicker phase detect AF as opposed to canon and nikon's contrast detect AF in live view, thats why you will feel that LV in your camera is slower than when using OVF. Sony uses a separate secondary sensor to feed the live image to the LCD while maintaining the light path to the PDAF sensor - as opposed to using the main sensor in your unit.

As for dSLT, because there is no mirror in the path (only a transparent piece of glass that splits 30% of light to the PDAF sensor) the video now enjoys full time PDAF as well making it blistering quick. The downside now is that it is TOO quick, making any abrupt shift of focal plane looks very sudden. Good for quick action movements and fast paced tracking. But looks totally weird in slow moving scenes. The other 'concerned' downside is that the 30% loss of light will be equivalent to about 1/3 stop, which I think is still very reasonable.

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:11 PM)
Tats why u need wandeeassmakthree  tongue.gif

19cross af all over screen.

Or wandeemakfor 39  tongue.gif
1DMKIII is plagued with AF problems. It seems 1DMKIV also inherits the some of 1DMKIII's AF problems.

Anyway, it's all nice having 39 crossed type AF points but many fail to read the fine prints. The 1DMKIV will only have 39 high precision cross type AF (horizontal and vertical) points when a lens with a max aperture of f/2.8 or more is used or when combined with an extender. The cross type sensors vertical line sensitivity is approx two times more than the horizontal line sensitivity.

However, when using f/4 lens itself like the 600mm f/4 or by using a f/2.8 lens with a 1.4x extender, then only the centre AF point is usable as a cross type with the other 44 will only remain as non-crossed type (horizontal sensitive) only.

Using a f/5.6 lens or by using a f/4 lens with a 1.4x extender, all the AF points are horizontal sensitive and using a f/8 lens, only the centre AF can be used as a non-crossed AF while other are unusable.

QUOTE(freddy manson @ Sep 13 2011, 01:51 PM)
During my time using d300s never use the LV myself..
Last Raya ask my fren's brother shoot us then the 1st time use the LV

On my d90 I use it once or twice also..

Rarely find that time where I need to 'lay low on the floor' or shoot high angle..
If I need high angle or low on the ground; then why use my d300s/d90? My Sony a350 have a tilt screen that serves that purposes..
Using LV while it's on the floor, means I have to bend down more (already squatting?) Rite? Thus, the tilt screen comes in handy..

But if I wana shoot fast; will never use LV also. Just point blindly and shoot.mostly because of luck, 90% can get the angle that I want; or I'll just crop during PP later..

Cheers!
I mentioned before that I don't use Live View but there were actually times when I remember that I did use it. biggrin.gif Not to replace the viewfinder to shoot but to use it to check WB. Switch on Live View and adjust / tweak WB on the fly and watch it on the LCD screen before you take a shot.
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Well i don't know if i'm too late for this.

http://www.nikon.com/news/2011/0909_01.htm

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