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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V11, The Darth Vader troops !

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post Aug 9 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Aug 9 2011, 02:02 PM)
Flash gel or Kelvin WB manual adjust. Flash gel should be easier, at least in my opinion. Kelvin WB takes quite some time to learn.
1600 where got high? Normal la.. 3200 above only I consider high lol.
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Bro, apala? Using gel, u also need knowledge on how kelvin WB works. On the field, custom WB is the easiest ler. Furthermore, what if he wasn't usig any flash?

ECS aka vearn, using autoWB or wrong WB presets will cause what u mentioned there. Easiest way is shoot AWB in RAW and post process later to your liking if the lighting condition changes very rapidly.

To learn how to custom WB in a fairly constant lighted room, it's pretty simple. Bring along a White piece of paper or tissue for your WB calibration. There, perfect WB in an instant!
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 9 2011, 06:05 PM)
You obviously have not encountered problems with matching the flash WB with the ambient WB or p[robably do not realise that is a problem in the first place. If you do not correct the WB light from your flash to match the ambient lighting, you will get different colour lighting from the ambient and from your flash in your pics. Correcting WB on the subject in PP (as a result of light source from the flash) will produce horrible outcome on the background and vice versa.
If vearn27 wasn't using flash, doing custom WB would be the best. But if you use the default flash in tungsten ambient lighting, you would have problems getting correct WB in your pics if your flash is not WB corrected.
Like I mentioned in my reply above, even PP in RAW would give horrible "corrected" WB in PP if the flash WB is different from the ambient WB. Your method is correct if vearn27 does not shoot with flash.
Not possible if you use flash that is not WB corrected.
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jchue73, yeah I was suggesting based on my assumption that a flash wasn't used. Hence, my suggestion of using custom WB.

Even if a flash was used and wasn't color corrected, in a shoot-and-submit event, the subject's WB is of priority (the skin tone in this case). The background will have to be in the warm state as it is so as long the subject is good.

Vearn, the metering modes does not govern how the skintone looks like, just how bright/dark the skin tone will be WITH RESPECT TO the surrounding ambient light. As for your issue
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on how to capture the color as accurately as possible for straight out from camera photos
, the safest way is to bring along a clean sheet of A4 paper and measure the WB off it on the spot. If the lighting color changes in your event space, this will be a lot of hassle. This is where learning your Kelvin WB setting comes in handy, a quick adjustment to how you see the light at that point of time and you will get a close enough guesstimation of the Kelvin values. This comes with practice. In events, i tend to use wide-area and centre weighted metering, very seldom i use spot metering, unless that the subject fills the entire frame. I adapt my WB settings to different situations.

eg.
wedding dinner halls with loads of warm tungsten light: i gel my flash to match and uses the kelvin settings to compensate for the warm flash light.
concerts with crazy lights: AWB with no flash (this works the best), if flash is needed, i use flash WB setting.
outdoors sunny/cloudy: AWB (my in camera AWB for these situations give spot on WB without me worrying)
hall with fluorescent lights: custom WB and try to keep my shutter speed at 1/50s or slower so that it completes the shot withing a sine cycle of the power grid's frequency of 50Hz

see when you are free, gimme a ring, could meet up and go do some shooting or yum cha (on you) lol...

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post Aug 10 2011, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(wke002 @ Aug 10 2011, 02:24 PM)
Now that am halfway thru the manual of my d7000(still many things dun understand but trial and error). I have a working Canon Speedlite 299T, can I used it with my nikon d7000. Dare not try as afraid later it short circuit my new piece of heaven. layman like me look at the horse shoe like same only and appreciate if could advice. thanks.
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You do mean hotshoe right?

Anyway, from what I recall, canon and nikon can interchange speedlights, forgot which doesn't TTL with which though. Plz take my words with a pinch of salt, as I'm not familiar with canikon
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 10 2011, 06:40 PM)
because nikon got research & development fees.
sigma and tamron just rip-off & duplicate.
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sigma and tamron does their own R&D. they have their own optical formulas as well, but since R&D fees are limited to them, their formulas are not as refined, but still get jobs done.

being 3rd party lenses, they cant put their pricing higher than original makers as then there will be no sales for them.

furthermore, nikon's own nano coating technology is very very expensive, as the same goes with Zeiss'.


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post Aug 10 2011, 10:00 PM

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u talking about the Sigma 50mm 1.4?
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QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 10 2011, 10:14 PM)
105-200mm
Btw,you use which brand?
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well, pretty much my entire signature here at the bottom is dedicated to which system i use tongue.gif lol
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QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 10 2011, 11:08 PM)
Sony....
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iz me no welcomed here? blush.gif lol
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QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 11 2011, 12:00 AM)
So if buy 18-105 then no need buy 55 mm lens already?


Added on August 11, 2011, 12:02 am
So you have a Nikon also?
Most of my teachers and cousins use Sony ler...
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*thinks.. thinks.. thinks.. thinks* nope, dont own anything remotely close with Nikon...

by 55mm, i think you're referring to the 18-55 kit lens right?

of coz if you have the 18-105, why would you need an 18-55?

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QUOTE(cyberixus @ Aug 11 2011, 12:11 AM)
The difference between Nikon / Sigma / Tamron /Tokina lies not only in the build quality or My-factory-is-bigger-than yours ... whatever.
There are huge differences in coating. Get together a few friends with different dslr camera systems. Get the same range of lens from each camp. Eg: 70-200mm f/2.8 And then compare the coating on the front element next to each other.

Nikon is not expensive. Nikon 50mm f/1.2 Nikkor AiS Manual Focus Lens costs RM1,825

See this ... http://shashinki.com/shop/leica-50mm-f095-...facturers_id=51
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c'mon bro, you're not comparing apples with apples here... nearly everyone knows what league is Leica in...

you say that the Nikon 50mm f/1.2 Nikkor AiS Manual Focus Lens is NOT expensive... but you DO notice that its a manual focus lens right? no electronics gizmos gimbals thingamajig in there... and yet it costs 1.8k
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I understand where you are coming from. But a 10k manual focus lens just doesn't justify itself. Yes the optics and OOF rendering is outworldly, but these lenses are catered to the rich and wealthy collectors, not for us (well for me at least) regular Joes.

Leicas and Zeiss are famous for their crisp and legendary MF lenses, in no way I'm looking down on MF lenses here, don't get me wrong. But to use an MF lens to do a paid event job, it's not quite gonna take flight, if it ever does. Only saying that for 2k, I'd expect an AF 50mm lens and I'd work the crap out of that lens and it'd better deliver. Just my 2cents.
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QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 11 2011, 11:39 PM)
Don't know want buy 16-85 or 18-105 or 18-55 ler...
All the quality same right?
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here's some light reading for you... Google is your new best friend... now repeat after me...

http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests
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post Aug 12 2011, 12:15 AM

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the terms that you do not understand or comprehend, u can always ask here, or maybe before asking here, u could try wiki or google what the terms mean or something... its good to learn new things everyday
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Aug 12 2011, 06:43 PM)
For D7000, the kit lens is 18-105mm.
So you're hinting that we can't go manual 24/7? hmm.gif
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And why would u want to use full manual all the time? It doesn't make you that much cooler u know. Owner a dslr doesn't mean u need to use full manual. Start by learning in aperture priority 1st. Then learn the relationship between aperture, shutter speed and ISO - and what do they do to affect your image. Then from there, apply what you know about the 3 variables into manual mode and fine tune it to how you way your final image to look like.

QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 12 2011, 06:45 PM)
Can manual focus right?
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Most if not all lenses nowadays can be manual focused, just depending the clutch is based on the lens itself or only can be activated on the camera body.

QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 12 2011, 06:49 PM)
And why people want to buy lens with single focal length like 55mm and not straight away buy zoom lens like 18-55mm with 55mm included in it?
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I think what he meant was 18-105 or 18-55 lens. Not referring to a 55mm prime.

QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 12 2011, 07:14 PM)
Thanks !
Now I know which lens to buy...
Bigger aperture = higher f numbers?
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Larger aperture size (opening) : smaller number eg. f/1.4

Smaller aperture (less light entering the lens) : larger number eg. f/16

Aperture size determines how much light your sensor is receiving. But mainly, it governs how much depth of field is being produced.

P/s: Wiki/google the terms that makes you feel @.@
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QUOTE(eugene88 @ Aug 12 2011, 09:06 PM)
Alright
Thanks for the info
Looks like the shop at Jusco didn't update their expensive prices
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U shop for camera gear in jusco, no wonder expensive la. They are mandatory to put RRP on their price tags. Worse still u have no haggling power.
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vearn27, so u have 2 bodies now? Anyway, Congratz bro!
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Aug 12 2011, 09:13 PM)
obviously he's talking about prime... single focal length = prime sleep.gif...
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If u say so bro. Unless he's talking about manual focus 55mm from decades ago, then have fun finding a 55mm prime wink.gif
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Aug 12 2011, 09:23 PM)
That's why i answered eugene with the thing i know about primes, but someone seems to not like my explanation or something.
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Bro, why so defensive la? We'll just wait for the clarification from the asker ok? If he really meant a prime and not refering to the 18-55 kit lens, then I have no issue apologising to you if you demand it. Never I said I do not like your explanation on prime lenses. In fact I did not even say anything about our explanation. Cheers bro. Chill k.
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so like i said kEazYc , sorry that you've mistaken for 'knowing' your primes wink.gif 55mm i heard u say? laugh.gif unless its an old MF lens from the film era like i mentioned earlier...

if its the 50mm you're on about, eugene, then if u have the money (which isnt a lot for an f/1.8 glass), go ahead and have a try. most ppl wont be dissapointed with it.
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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Aug 13 2011, 01:50 PM)
i feels it quite ok ah, mayb i haven't try high end lens before  tongue.gif
then how can i improve ah  laugh.gif
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as a start to battle blurry images due to hand-shake, apply the "inversed focal length" method which means, using a 50mm focal length, use at least 1/50s shutter speed (but should be 1/80s due to crop factor, but lets not make you confused for now), or if using 200mm, set shutter speed at 1/200s and the same goes for other focal lengths... this is just a rough guide, most importantly, check on the way you hold your camera and your arm's position while taking a pic, it plays an important aspect as well.
with VR, you can push the shutter speed lower than those values stated above by a couple more stops. you'll have to experiment for yourself how much slower you can go till camera-shake creeps into your images. hope this helps.

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razuryza, that's pretty normal la.. everyone's very used to NATO these days

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