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jchong
post Aug 15 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 15 2012, 12:46 PM)
Instant reading: 7.8L/100km @ 90km/hr, 8.9L/100km @ 120km/hr?

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 15 2012, 01:03 PM)
Quite good FC at 120kmph.


Is that considered good FC at 120 km/h? Works out to be 11.2 km/l.

For my previous gen Camry 2.4, I can get 15+km/l @ 110 km/h (or 6.6L/100km) on highway. This isn't an instant FC reading (since my Camry doesn't have that) but taken from topping up the tank from KL to Ipoh.
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post Aug 15 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(kukulong10 @ Aug 15 2012, 01:32 PM)
Wad the rpm for k5 if you are driving at 120km/h?
Not sure bout 120kmph but at 110kmph its 4250 RPM.


Added on August 15, 2012, 3:26 pm
QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 15 2012, 02:11 PM)
Is that considered good FC at 120 km/h? Works out to be 11.2 km/l.

For my previous gen Camry 2.4, I can get 15+km/l @ 110 km/h (or 6.6L/100km) on highway. This isn't an instant FC reading (since my Camry doesn't have that) but taken from topping up the tank from KL to Ipoh.
U gotta try with instant. The readings will be different i think. Your 6.6L/100km is based on a full tank consumption calculation rite? But i guess instant readings are not the best way to calculate consumption since its dependant on the road gradient and the foot pressure at that point.

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post Aug 15 2012, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 15 2012, 03:23 PM)
Not sure bout 120kmph but at 110kmph its 4250 RPM.


Added on August 15, 2012, 3:26 pm

U gotta try with instant. The readings will be different i think. Your 6.6L/100km is based on a full tank consumption calculation rite?
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Why is it 4250RPM , A Myvi running at 110km is about 3000RPM only. Not to talk bad about any cars here. Just curious thats why. I don't have much car knowledge though. Perhaps someone could explain this? Is it due to 4 Speed VS 6 Speed Gearbox? lol
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post Aug 15 2012, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 15 2012, 04:23 PM)
Not sure bout 120kmph but at 110kmph its 4250 RPM.

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4250 rpm? I think is a bit excessive high for modern engine with modern gearbox. hmm.gif

My puny (compare to K5 size) swift drive at 110 km/h at 4th gear also only 2.8k rpm. Even the old 3 speed 1.5l wira i drive only 3.8k rpm. sweat.gif

Only explanation i can think of is the car's weight is too heavy for the 2.0l engine to drive. Or you drive at lower gear instead of 5th and 6th gear, which i think the car will only engage it when you allow the car do constant speed cruising.
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post Aug 15 2012, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 15 2012, 03:23 PM)
Not sure bout 120kmph but at 110kmph its 4250 RPM.


That can't be right with a 6-spd gearbox. At 110km/h my rpm is only around 2000 rpm. Even in my old Perdana V6 (4 spd box) at 110km/h it was 2800 rpm.


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U gotta try with instant. The readings will be different i think. Your 6.6L/100km is based on a full tank consumption calculation rite? But i guess instant readings are not the best way to calculate consumption since its dependant on the road gradient and the foot pressure at that point.
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Unfortunately no instant reading in my Camry. Yes my calc is based on full tank.
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post Aug 15 2012, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Aug 15 2012, 03:27 PM)
Why is it 4250RPM , A Myvi running at 110km is about 3000RPM only. Not to talk bad about any cars here. Just curious thats why. I don't have much car knowledge though. Perhaps someone could explain this? Is it due to 4 Speed VS 6 Speed Gearbox? lol
Sorry. My mistake. Its 2250 RPM not 4250.


Added on August 15, 2012, 3:54 pm
QUOTE(lcy851031 @ Aug 15 2012, 03:41 PM)
4250 rpm? I think is a bit excessive high for modern engine with modern gearbox.  hmm.gif

My puny (compare to K5 size) swift drive at 110 km/h at 4th gear also only 2.8k rpm. Even the old 3 speed 1.5l wira i drive only 3.8k rpm.  sweat.gif

Only explanation i can think of is the car's weight is too heavy for the 2.0l engine to drive. Or you drive at lower gear instead of 5th and 6th gear, which i think the car will only engage it when you allow the car do constant speed cruising.
Sorry its 2250. Not 4250.

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post Aug 15 2012, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 15 2012, 03:52 PM)
Sorry. My mistake. Its 2250 RPM not 4250.


Added on August 15, 2012, 3:54 pm

Sorry its 2250. Not 4250.
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post Aug 15 2012, 04:15 PM

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It's pretty tough for me to get good FC because as I've said, I'm on city roads more often

Routes that I often use:

Tropicana Mall towards NKVE Damansara toll plaza (City)
LDP short distance turning towards NKVE Damansara toll plaza road.(mix city/highway)
Residential route towards NZX/Ara Damansara (city)
Old airport road towards Subang Jaya or towards Puchong and usually either going to Bandar Puteri or Opposite IOI mall shoplot area (mix city/highway)
Penchala Link towards Kuala Lumpur (highway)
Duke Highway towards Ampang (highway)
Highway towards midvalley from Taman Maluri (highway but forever jam one this stupid road)
Federal Highway towards KLCC (mix city/highway)
NKVE towards Bukit Raja Klang or route into Kesas Highway towards Kota Kemuning (Highway)
NPE towards Cheras (Mostly Highway)
From Lowyat to Jalan Loke Yew then into Damansara highway (mix city/highway)
Damansara Highway towards KLCC area (mix city/highway)
Penchala link towards Jalan Kuching and routing to KLCC (mix city/highway)

More often than not, stuck in traffic jam... so how to achieve good mileage like that? Can only hit 100km/hr every now and then... Grrrrr!
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post Aug 15 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 15 2012, 12:39 PM)
Guys, not sure if i asked this question before but for my K5, I get instant FC readings of 9.1L/100km at 110kmph and 10.20L/100km at 160kmph during highway drives. City driving not so economical for sure since the K5 is quite heavy and the torque not sufficient.

What's your instant FC readings during highway cruising? Camry, Audi, Passat?
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You mean the real-time reading right? On a straight flat road without up-hills and down-hills? If yes, my 508 runs at a constant 6.3L/100km. It'll be around 7.5-7.8L/100km at 150kmh
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Aug 15 2012, 04:54 PM)
You mean the real-time reading right? On a straight flat road without up-hills and down-hills? If yes, my 508 runs at a constant 6.3L/100km. It'll be around 7.5-7.8L/100km at 150kmh
I would think i did the same but im not sure as this was a month back. Let me do another test and revert.
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post Aug 15 2012, 06:07 PM

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Too difficult to compare FC.

I find using Instant FC to compare FC between different drivers/cars is pretty meaningless. Road condition. Even very slight elevation. Head winds. So many thing can affect Instant FC. Even the same driver can occasionally unconsciously have different foot pressure affect FC. Your best Instant FC can be twice as good as your Average FC.

Then for city driving. One person's city driving could mean average 2km per trip and the other person's city driving is 4km or 6 km per trip and that makes a difference also.







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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 15 2012, 06:07 PM)
Too difficult to compare FC.

I find using Instant FC to compare FC between different drivers/cars is pretty meaningless. Road condition. Even very slight elevation. Head winds.  So many thing can affect Instant FC.  Even the same driver can occasionally unconsciously have different foot pressure affect FC. Your best Instant FC can be twice as good as your Average FC.

Then for city driving. One person's city driving could mean average 2km per trip and the other person's city driving is 4km or 6 km per trip and that makes a difference also.
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Yeah actually, it's tough due to all the conditions you've stated.

So better to just standardize

What's your instant FC reading when your gauge is 2000RPM ~ 3000RPM @ 120km/hr on a flat straight road with NO ELEVATION? That way we can limit the scope and get a fair and accurate number.
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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 15 2012, 12:08 PM)
And Passat too.  whistling.gif
For those whom bashing others for being unheeded regarding safety when buying a car should buy S60, since S60 is one of the car that passed the test with a “good” rating.
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Nah, just aim for the other car instead of trying to evade it. laugh.gif

It IS a particularly difficult test, hopefully future cars will do better on it.

Motorcycle... I believe the Goldwing is equipped with at least one airbag, which would certainly help. Anyway, with bikes the protective suit is a very important part. Something that literally no one in Malaysia wears. I often wonder what the point of wearing a helmet is... if you crash, you'll probably end up sliding over the asphalt, and since there is nothing but a t-shirt to protect you the damage will be very bad... but if you look at GP races etc. you see them crash at insane speeds, and just walk away. Then again bikes are usually driven here by those who can't afford a car, and if they can't afford that they certainly can't afford a good protective suit (apart from being very uncomfortable in our hot climates).

Hm. For the Ford Galaxy 1.6 diesel and the VW Touran 1.9 diesel I did around 7-8L driving at 160-180. That's what I call good fuel efficiency. smile.gif My Citroen Xsara 1.4 manual does around 8L/100 km at 130-140, around 4k rpm at 140. All numbers average.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 15 2012, 06:07 PM)
Too difficult to compare FC.

I find using Instant FC to compare FC between different drivers/cars is pretty meaningless. Road condition. Even very slight elevation. Head winds.  So many thing can affect Instant FC.  Even the same driver can occasionally unconsciously have different foot pressure affect FC. Your best Instant FC can be twice as good as your Average FC.

Then for city driving. One person's city driving could mean average 2km per trip and the other person's city driving is 4km or 6 km per trip and that makes a difference also.
Yes i agree. I did another test yesterday. This time i used the cruise control to fix speeds on the best flat roads i could find. Then used the average FC meter to calculate. I find the instant FC gauge too sensative to foot pressure and road gradients. I reset the meter each time i was at 110kmph crusing speed and i did it 3 times to get an average.

I got about 6.0L/100km at 110kmph. At 90kmph, my reading was around 5.0L/100km. Couldnt test at higher speeds. Will do another test on the NSE this Friday.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 16 2012, 08:48 AM)
Yes i agree. I did another test yesterday. This time i used the cruise control to fix speeds on the best flat roads i could find. Then used the average FC meter to calculate. I find the instant FC gauge too sensative to foot pressure and road gradients. I reset the meter each time i was at 110kmph crusing speed and i did it 3 times to get an average.

I got about 6.0L/100km at 110kmph. At 90kmph, my reading was around 5.0L/100km. Couldnt test at higher speeds. Will do another test on the NSE this Friday.
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i think there is something not right abt ur instant FC. I rmbr last time u said u had weird readings there. Yesterday i find at 110km/hr, was ard 6l/km from the instant fuel reading, not the ave fuel reading. Maybe u ought to bring it up at ur coming 10k km service. I done my alignment free at red cube even with odo 7k km
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QUOTE(K5WHITE @ Aug 16 2012, 09:01 AM)
i think there is something not right abt ur instant FC. I rmbr last time u said u had weird readings there. Yesterday i find at 110km/hr, was ard 6l/km from the instant fuel reading, not the ave fuel reading. Maybe u ought to bring it up at ur coming 10k km service. I done my alignment free at red cube even with odo 7k km
No nothing wrong. Its just that the instant FC is very sensative to even the slightest tap of your foot or the road gradient. So u can be going at 110kmph but if u depress your accelerator even a few mm, the FC reading will jump although there wont be an immediate increase in the speed. Thats why yesterday i used the average meter but reset it every time i reached 110kmph cruising speed. And i did it 3 times to get a more uniform reading.
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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 15 2012, 04:01 PM)
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Im still waiting for your actual full tank mileage in 100% town or city driving. Why so long to provide?
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Err, folks I think we're going way out of topic here with all sorts of matters unrelated to Camry being discussed here laugh.gif But I'm quite curious, is there other 2012 Camry owner here other than kepalapening?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 16 2012, 09:09 AM)
No nothing wrong. Its just that the instant FC is very sensative to even the slightest tap of your foot or the road gradient. So u can be going at 110kmph but if u depress your accelerator even a few mm, the FC reading will jump although there wont be an immediate increase in the speed. Thats why yesterday i used the average meter but reset it every time i reached 110kmph cruising speed. And i did it 3 times to get a more uniform reading.
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how abt the reading when u use auto cruise at flat road? The instant FC shud give the correct reading, without resetting the ave FC.


Added on August 16, 2012, 9:16 am
QUOTE(sleepy @ Aug 16 2012, 09:15 AM)
Err, folks I think we're going way out of topic here with all sorts of matters unrelated to Camry being discussed here laugh.gif But I'm quite curious, is there other 2012 Camry owner here other than kepalapening?
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we were talking abt d segments FC no?

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QUOTE(K5WHITE @ Aug 16 2012, 09:16 AM)
how abt the reading when u use auto cruise at flat road? The instant FC shud give the correct reading, without resetting the ave FC.
The reason i use the average meter resetting method is to lower the irregularities posed by various factors e.g road gradient, foot pressure, etc. Nobody can be absolutely sure about a road gradient. Even on a supposedly level road, there will still be a 2-3% fall towards the side drainage spread over the entire road surface horizontally and also longitudinally at different sections.


Added on August 16, 2012, 9:25 am
QUOTE(sleepy @ Aug 16 2012, 09:15 AM)
Err, folks I think we're going way out of topic here with all sorts of matters unrelated to Camry being discussed here laugh.gif But I'm quite curious, is there other 2012 Camry owner here other than kepalapening?
We are talking about FC's and yes it does relate to the Camry in a way. But then again, nothing much else to talk since there arent are new Camry owners here except Kepala Pening from what ive seen.

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