Both is 2l Engine, but:

146HP VS 240HP
190Nm (Only at 4000+ rpm) VS 340Nm (start from 1750 rpm till 4000+ rpm)
NA Engine vs Turbocharged Engine
Multipoint Fuel Injection vs Direct Injection
No ESP vs ESP included
4 speed auto (torque converter) gearbox vs 6 speed auto (dual clutch)

Not worth 40k difference?

This post has been edited by lcy851031: Jul 27 2012, 07:35 PM

This can't be helped, as Toyota really had a solid brand image in Malaysia, most of the people already had the mindset of Toyota = good car/good resale value. That why UMW Toyota can continue offer low spec car while still selling like hot cake.

Also the poor strategy of Sime Darby in penetrating Malaysia market, always pricing the car league above other competitors.

Anyway few features i list down is to point out that a 2l Camry really can't compare with 2l Mondeo and the features in a different league, just that the price really not tempting people to buy.

+1

Ford is not a luxury car maker, and Ford even is the first car manufacturer that mass produce a vehicle and sell at affordable price to the mass market. Yet at Malaysia is perceived like a cold or luxury brand car maker.

Have to agreed SDAC is really bad in marketing the car's brand under their flagship. Even when i look for new car, my colleague advise me to avoid buying the car under their flagship.

True, no matter what type of gear transmission used on the car, there must had some power lost while transferring power from the engine to the wheel.

When i first saw the hp and torque figure of the mazda skyactiv engine, i also feel a bit weird, as the engine only gain few extra hp and torque compare to others same engine size base on their new technology, but after only learned that this is the true hp and torque you got from the wheel, i really impressed by their Skyactiv technology. If they use dyno measure the engine power at crankshaft, sure the hp and torque value is even higher.

Agree, when we look at most of the latest D-segment car in Malaysia, most of the car manufacturer had make transition to 6 speed gearbox (Kia Optima, Hyundai Sonata, Peugeot 508), Dual Clutch Transmission (Ford Mondeo, VW Passat), or CVT (Suzuki Kizashi, Nissan Teana). But latest 2.0 liter engine Camry still offer outdated 4 speed auto gearbox.

Since is 4 speed Auto, the gear ratio is also wide, meaning the engine can't efficiently using the power band of the engine compare to other car using 6 speed gearbox, which the fc will suffer as well.

One is a using a closer 6 speed gear ratio gearbox, another is twincharger engine + close ratio 7 speed, fast shifting dual clutch transmission, how 4 speed camry can compare?

This post has been edited by lcy851031: Aug 9 2012, 06:12 PM

The high power output (force induction engine) + fast gear shiftting (reduce lost power during gearshift) from your Passat definitely reduce the sluggishness of the car. That what i try to say when both of you comparing the pickup sluggishness of the 2.0l 4 speed camry against your car.

I guess the myth "once you drive conti, never look back to japs car with NA engine" prove true to you as well.

NA engin that does 0-100 under 8 sec? I guess a D segment car with NA engine need to be bigger than 2.5l only can do that.

Btw, your car actually is twin charger engine, (supercharge + turbocharge engine), VW want to had the force induction kick in early compare to other turbocharged only engine.

This post has been edited by lcy851031: Aug 9 2012, 07:37 PM

From what i study at Paul Tan Blog, actually each overhead camshaft design had its pros and cons:

SOHC VS DOHC

Actually SOHC had a better torque at lower rpm, that why people say it had better fc as when driving at the city only let engine run on lower rpm most of the time. But it has a lower raw power at high rpm, which i think it can compensated by Honda's own i-vtec technology.

DOHC can let engineer had a simpler design on the engine (spark plug can be put at center top, also can insert more valves at the engine easier). Also had higher raw power at higher rpm, which can impress the customer that buy car only look at the max hp of the engine.

Well said. This is what i feel of certain car manufacturer in Malaysia when they selling the car on certain prices.

Some of this car's brand really don't care as they know they can do this since their brand is very popular among Malaysian. But to me, when i doing research when searching for new b-segment car, after comparing all the specification and prices, i would stay away from buying from this kind of car manufacturer.

As long as the market perception doesn't change, this kind of car manufacturer will continue take our malaysia consumer for a ride, unless the change of market perception force them to think over their sale practices.

Malaysia got rainy season, the road will get wet most of the time. I guess VSC is really necesary in Malaysia.

EURO NCAP list VSC is one of the main criteria on the safety rating, so is quite important feature.

Speaking of the wet road, i had twice going through a pool of water on the road unprepared, pressing brake when reached and the car lose control, skid to the side of the road (one time nearly swerve and bang the car on my side), luckily after going through the water, i manage to regain control of the car (i had to turn the steering on different direction very fast). So to me, VSC must installed to the car to increase the driver & passenger safety on the road.

4250 rpm? I think is a bit excessive high for modern engine with modern gearbox.

My puny (compare to K5 size) swift drive at 110 km/h at 4th gear also only 2.8k rpm. Even the old 3 speed 1.5l wira i drive only 3.8k rpm.

Only explanation i can think of is the car's weight is too heavy for the 2.0l engine to drive. Or you drive at lower gear instead of 5th and 6th gear, which i think the car will only engage it when you allow the car do constant speed cruising.

Nice campaign, but I wonder if P1 and P2 can survive when this happens?

Also how would they handle the AFTA issue, they say lower the tax, but would it be lower the tax until Malaysia abide the AFTA?

Also Not just reduce the tax, I wish there is other thing that need to do as well:

1) Enforce car manufacturer to add all the necessary active/passive safety technology into the car, ESP is a MUST.

2) After reduce the tax, please stop MITI "advice" the car manufacturer for the car selling price, Malaysia is FREE MARKET. So encourage competition among the car manufacturer to give us a well spec car.

IMO, lower the price at more affordable price, allow people to more affordable to change new car, allowing more choices, so that most of the people no need to play safe and stick to certain brand and get rip-off.

The thing is our public transport system is bad, forcing us to use car as more convenient transportation method. But our car is overpriced and most people in Malaysia can't afford to buy the car, bank give long period of loan to make people feel they able to buy car financially. But this long term loan also had two consequences, first one since the payment so long, people that always change car will always look for car with good resale value so that can recoup the losses when changing new car, second one is only stick to certain car brand that they thought will give them peace of mind.

This in long term will really affect the automobile industry as discouraging a healthy competition among car manufacturer, and sometimes our vehicle safety as most of the time when car manufacturer slashing the price to stay competitive, they remove certain safety feature as well.

For the old car disposing, i think most of the people will rant also because due to the overpriced car in Malaysia. For other country, people affordable to change new car, so they had no qualms on the old vehicle disposing.

Don't forget, the ministry of treasury also got earn through the AP as well.

Where the money gone too? I also don't know, perhaps each year's Parliament Audit Report can give us hint?

But why need to wait so long?

Isn't Elantra is CKD by Inokom?

But the booking number still surprise me, as i thought the sales will be lose to Forte, since Forte is cheaper and more gadget to play.

Since wait so long, tell your friend take other CBU car with similar waiting period, better built quality.

This post has been edited by lcy851031: Aug 28 2012, 04:46 PM

They definitely had the right to do so, as they are at the dominant position at Malaysia market, while other car manufacturer is playing catch up, so most of them had to put more features and attractive prices to entice customer come.

IMO, i think the active city stop's sensor had certain distance limitation, so if drive too fast, the car may had not enough time to do automatic braking.

Now i wonder, since Ford Malaysia offer Ford Focus ST for those looking for more spirited drive, will they offer 1.6l ecoboost or TDCI version of Ford Focus in the future?

This post has been edited by lcy851031: Sep 14 2012, 11:55 PM

most of the time, the problem that keep bugging VW user is the DSG that had mechatronic failure. Not much problem heard from the Turbocharged, direct injection TSI engine. Maybe our RON95 not much problem.

Safety standards i think in Malaysia is really bad , i think most of the Malaysian here buy car just look for resale value, exterior looks. The safety features most of them didn't bother about as they can't see importance all those safety features.

You can see most of the people that drive Vios, Myvi always want to add a lot of bodykit to the car and think that their car's output power is improved.

I Thought is other way round?

As active safety features (ESP, adaptive front light, blind spot warning, ABS) is to prevent you from collision in the first place, while passive safety features (safeety belts, airbag, rigid body structure), to protect you and absorb the impact when collision happens.

+1

When i buying my first car, i compare the specification among all the brand, really can see the UMW is just ripping customer off.

Now whenever had change, i just keep on "poison" other people mind that CKD Toyota car is ripoff, only Toyota's Hybrid car is worth to buy only.

I suspect also his car tire had worned out, since he claim he travel long distance daily.

In that situation, thank god the ESC is working as it should be and averted a serious accident.