Might be better compared to 508, but compared to passat? I doubt camry is anywhere near passat's league, in terms of equipment, driving pleasure, refinement, driving dynamics etc etc (minus the uncle looks though).

Just out of curiosity, how many of the people that has posted here is driving a car equipped with VSC? And for those who has a VSC-enabled car, how many times has it kicked-in, and how many times has it saved your life?

I'm driving a car with VSC but so far, I havent really seen it in action. Even the ABS have not kicked in for once, because I drive moderately. I suppose, the driver matters most in avoiding accidents. Anticipate what the other drivers will do, defensive driving etc etc is the best tool. Technology can only bring you so far, if you put an idiot behind the wheel you'll still end up crashing into something.

I find it funny that some previous comments mentioned that if you love your life, buy a car with VSC. I mean seriously, it's not like your car understeer/go sideways on a daily basis (but if you do, kudos to you la). Any sane driver would not speed into a corner/roundabout and expect vsc to save you from understeer (except f1-wannabe's)

In conclusion, what I'm trying to say here is VSC is something good to have, but its definitely not a necessity.

Agree with you to certain extent, except the life insurance and medical cards part. Road accidents can be avoided, but things like cancer cannot. So no point mixing those into the picture.

Well, about the TC part again I've never really seen it in action. On cars with <200hp the chance of wheel spin happening is quite slim. I've driven a 2005 accord 2.4 and no matter how hard I gun the throttle from stand-still it wont lose traction. The only way to trigger it is to rev around 4000, then go from N to D but I suppose nobody drives that way?

Well, I've never experienced any dropping good, but I've seen a tire exploding on those trailers right infront of me on KESAS. Managed to avoid the big chunk of shredded tire. Was driving a myvi back then in 2006, No VSC. Be alert and dont panic. Probably its the reason why I've never seen anything kicked-in.

The other point, I've never experienced despite my area here being packed with kids. Probably because I drive at turtle speed when I reach the entrance of my housing estate

So whatever technology they put in the brochure of your car, they can only safe you to a certain extent. Most fatal accidents happens at speeds that even airbag wont be enough to safe you. I know NCAP and stuff are always featured in brochures, but then those are simulated under controlled environment. In real world, crashes probably happen at speeds way above those test speeds and the outcome would've been very different

So drive safe people

I'm surprised I'm seeing such comment. ABS is activated everytime you brake? Better get your brakes checked buddy. Btw, you clearly have no idea what ABS does and how it works. It prevents your brakes from locking up by applying and unapplying the brakes in rapid succession. The goal here is to keep the wheels rolling so you can steer away from danger instead of locking the wheels and head straight into it. How does applying and unapplying shorten the stopping distance? Dont just fully trust whatever that's on wikipedia, it's open source and wrong info can just slip in

Haiz... I wonder why a lot of drivers in Malaysia only know how to drive but never understand those safety technology..

Well, first off driving conditions in Germany is totally different from here. It's common knowledge that lower temperature means lesser grip on the roads. Besides, european countries are relatively foggy in the early mornings so sudden surprises are much more common than here. Not to mention they have winter there, so stability control to them is a necessity. Oh and also they dont have speed limits on the autobahn, so naturally the press for more stringent safety requirement is understandable.

Btw, I believe the requirement to obtain a driving licenses in Germany is much more stringent than here. So while VSC may play a role, the driver's reaction to certain scenario ultimately plays the most important role whether one survives or dies in an inevitable crash. In driving tests there, scenarios such as understeer and oversteer are all included. Back here, you can give an idiotic/incompetent driver (got their license through starbucks) a car that includes all the automotive jargons, you still end up dying in a crash.

Anyone here remember the horrible crash in lebuhraya pantai timur involving a mitsubishi lancer? Well the lancer has VSC too but at 200kmh, its close to useless. With proper driver's training the chance of survival is a lot higher. Technology works in combo with driving skills. If you don't have necessary training for high speed driving, you shouldn't be driving that fast in the first place

Again, I wouldnt read too much into those. The scenarios are all simulated in a controlled environment. Manufacturers can easily buff up the tested area during chassis design stage so to give perfect score in the tests in production cars. But in the real world, you dont always crash at specific speeds at specific angles (especially pole/side impact tests).

To me, I always take the star rating thingy with truckload of salt. I mean trying taking a 5-star Honda Jazz, and crash it against a 5-star Honda Accord head-on and then come tell me the stars are still relevant. But then again, the eye sees, the mind believes and this is the best weapon a marketing team could use to promote a car.

Come to think of it, the NCAP ratings could have a reverse effect on certain people. Ignorant people will probably think that 5-star NCAP is everything and got too confident/cocky, start doing some crazy stunts and end up in a fatal crash. In the last dying breath, the driver will probably be thinking "Why am I dying? Isn't this thing rated 5-star?" But by then, it's probably too late.

Drive safe people

I dont remember saying stars will make a driver immortal. My point in the previous post was -> same amount of stars, but different outcome in a crash. In a more obvious case, Audi Q7 is rated 4-stars, but a Jazz is rated 5-stars. Go figure. And please tell me you choose to be in the the Jazz over the Q7 in a crash.

Ok maybe I wasnt specific enough. Yes there are speed limits in certain places (especially exits approaching towns), and they're planning to put in more speed limited zones on the autobahn.

About your second point, if you read properly, you will notice that I said that during design stage, they could focus more on the areas which they know will be part of the crash test and implement those into production just to get better results. Where and when did I say they only buff up the chassis that will be sent to the crash test for cheating purpose?

About third point, you still dont really get what I'm trying to say but you've yourself pointed out that smaller cars and bigger cars results cannot be compared. The problem with the "stars" rating is that they're generalizing it instead of separating it into appropriate category for cars of different segment. Well, I've tried fooling around with a honda salesman by asking him. Jazz is 5 star, and Accord is also 5 star in NCAP, if I crash both of them what's the result. He just went mum, and out of desperation the stupid answer given was both will survive because both are 5-star. Damn?

Fantastic. So means you would've chosen the Jazz over the Q7 . Nice choice

Btw I hope you realise that NCAP requirement changes from year to year. A Peugeot 407 obtained 5 stars in 2009, but by today's standards it would've gotten probably 4 stars or less if they were to re-evaluate it today. So stars varying from year to year is still "scientifically proven safer"?

Yeah, argue more please. In the tests, test subject cars are crashed into STATIC barriers. Q7 itself weights over 2 tonnes, and when crashed into A STATIC BARRIER, its crumple zone takes much more punishment than a jazz could ever take. Eventhough the Q7 only manages 4-star, it's still by far a safer car than a Jazz with 5-stars

Jazz is lighter around 1 tonne, so in terms of inertia in a crash towards a STATIC object, the chassis rigidity requirement is a lot lower than a Q7 to achieve the same result.

In a head-on crash between the Q7 and a Jazz, the Q7's extra-rigidity and inertia alone will crush the Jazz, let alone the passengers inside. 4 star vs 5 star?

Honestly speaking, I think NCAP used to be useful in the days when crumple zone is like the new thing in town. But they are already part of the chassis design in modern cars and is a standard nowadays.

Stop talking about choosing brand over safety ok? The Audi is just an example. Given an accord and a jazz (both 5-star honda's), I'd still choose the accord as I know it'll always be safer than a jazz

Wah so long never read this thread, but now instead of being a camry discussion it's become a bakul sampah topic which suddenly includes comparison of electronic products, celebrities from korea and japan I think someone should get sleepwalker in here

Hmm, they sent me an invitation on the launching day. But I didnt go la, coz I'm no longer looking for a car. I suppose its not that different from the old one la, considering vios, altis and the previous camry all rides like a boat. And its a toyota trend to shed off all the soft touch material for hard plastics

But there's already quite a number on the road. Definitely look like a case of a confused character. On one hand it's trying to appeal to the mature crowd, but on the other hand its trying to look sporty with the ahbeng-ish bodykit.

One thing for sure, toyota is here to stay. No matter what they price the car, there's always willing buyers. ViosJ is the best example. Kosong car at 70k, and you can see how many J's are on the road. Problem is here, ppl already have a built-in perception that toyota=quality.

Only previous toyota owner like us knows that they've been cutting corners here and there

I think kcng meant mazda6 la. It's a japanese car. Conti M6 means BMW M6 already.

My 2006 Vios (stock to the bones) sudah mau terbang at 170kmh. At 170kmh can feel the back end of the car become floaty, at 180kmh the steering feels disconnected. And the brakes feels quite hopeless at those speeds. I really salute you for having the balls to go 200kmh

There was a similar case but it was a hyundai sonata YF. The Korean officials are launching an investigation on it, but till now there's no news. I still think it's more on human error than anything else. If you search on youtube, there's ton's of videos on hyundai's that were said to be accelerating on its own and weird enough it all happens only in korea?

Could be some minor mechanical stuff got tangled or something also. Happens to USDM Camry, where the accelerator got stucked.

It reduces your chance of spinning out of control in slippery conditions or sudden rapid change of direction. In this case the car is accelerating on its own. I doubt VSC can help in this case

My jaw dropped when I saw that peugeot rank higher than VW and Lexus. I thought the prince engine is quite bad in terms of reliability. But then I see alot of old peugeots in the list. 307, 206, 106. No idea how the index was calculated.

Just to add something. In the video you posted, the vios that was said to fail to deploy the airbags is a J spec (look at the wheel covers). AFAIK, early J's are not equipped with airbags.

Which trim level is your friend's vios?

You mean the real-time reading right? On a straight flat road without up-hills and down-hills? If yes, my 508 runs at a constant 6.3L/100km. It'll be around 7.5-7.8L/100km at 150kmh

Err, folks I think we're going way out of topic here with all sorts of matters unrelated to Camry being discussed here But I'm quite curious, is there other 2012 Camry owner here other than kepalapening?

Well the opposition couldnt care less about P1 or P2's survival. P1's existance is merely to keep certain ppl's pocket inflated. Abolishing tax is kinda like a win-win situation where rakyat get to enjoy quality cars at more affordable price and at the same time, deflating some ppl's pockets.

But there's always a drawback to everything. Imagine how much more cars will be flooding the streets? I remember 3 years back when I was working near KLCC. Every morning Jalan Ampang will be jammed pack, and I'll take an alternative route ie Jalan Ampang Hilir. Smooth traffic there till I reach AmpWalk.

Last week, I attended a training in KL so I gotta drive through Jalan Ampang. As per 3 years ago, Jalan Ampang is packed with cars. So I thought of taking the alternative route again. Just when I make a turn into that route, I was surprised! Even the alternative route is not spared from being drenched in seas of cars

Imagine in 3 years alone, how many cars have been added onto the malaysian roads. Problem here is, there's no mechanism to control the amount of cars on the road. In other countries, there are policies to scrap cars of certain age to keep things in control. But here? If you implement such thing, I'm sure there will be a public outcry by poor folks crying discrimination against the poor etc etc and some politicians will take opportunity to act hero, jumping out and "championing" the poor's rights, ending up in status quo.

If not mistaken the Asymmetric2 inherited the same side wall crack that plague the original Asymmetric. Better check first man