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 New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!

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jchong
post Jun 24 2012, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 23 2012, 09:45 AM)
15.8 km/liter. For Camry? i don't believe that is possible.
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That seems quite unlikely.

However, I have gotten 15.5 km/l before on pure highway driving (mostly cruising at 110 km/h). This is with the previous model Camry 2.4.

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post Jun 24 2012, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 23 2012, 03:19 PM)
The only thing i cant seem to understand till now is how i still manage to fill 79L of fuel in a tank thats supposedly only 70L according to the manual. I know it will be usually slightly more, but 9L more??  shocking.gif
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Perhaps there is a reserve tank amount?

For my Camry, from long term observation:
1. Just when the fuel warning light comes on ~ 54L
2. If drive until the estimator says 0km left ~ 57L
3. Drive past that for another 70-80km, max I've filled ~ 63L
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post Jun 24 2012, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:39 PM)
Camry tank is also 70L right?
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Yup. But I've not gotten close to filling 70L before.
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post Jun 26 2012, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 25 2012, 09:54 AM)
Personally experience with the previous gen Camry tells me more realistically the consumption will probably be in the 9.X to 10.Xkm/L range which is normal for a car this size if limited to city driving.
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Wah that is still very efficient city driving. With my prev gen Camry 2.4, 100% city driving gets me about 8.X km/L.
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post Jun 26 2012, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(Lehrry @ Jun 25 2012, 09:44 AM)
ALL CAMRY = CKD
only prius and prius C = CBU
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When you say CKD you mean fully assembled in Malaysia?

Previous gen Camry was assembled in Thailand - that is considered as CBU still right?
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post Jun 26 2012, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 25 2012, 03:29 PM)
And for the city driving, I have posted twice in this forum the gauge photo that depicted the fuel consumption.
The reading from the gauge might be more optimistic, as compared to actual filling of petrol method.

My friend had a Camry (2 generations ago) and found that the in-car gauge was 2-3 km/L above the actual filling method.

In my Camry (1 gen ago) I find the in-car gauge was 0.4-0.8 km/L above the actual filling method (so I guess still relatively accurate).
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post Jun 27 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 27 2012, 09:43 AM)
But, 2.5V is powered by Dual VVT-i with ACIS. ACIS is suppose to provide better fuel efficiency [ACIS].
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I guess only user testing and experience will show if really got better fuel efficiency or not, and by how much.

Normally even if got gains, might be small like extra 5% - 10%. Earlier you said you can get about 12 km/L in city driving. That is like 40-50% improvement from what is achieved by the prev gen Camry 2.4. Such a massive improvement seems unlikely.

Anyway, best method to get the fuel efficiency number is to do actual fill. Fill your tank to full (until the pump auto clicks off), reset the odometer, then drive until empty and refill again. Then divide the km you travelled by actual fill amount.
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post Jun 27 2012, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 27 2012, 11:27 AM)
Btw, i asked you earlier about your latest fuel consumption readings. So far uve only quoted the first outstation trip as reference. How about 100% city driving?
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He did mention it was 12 km/L for city driving (in Kangar) and posted a shot of his car gauge. But don't know if got any further update after that.

For outstation I think it was said to be 15.8 km/L.
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post Jul 1 2012, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(feelfree @ Jul 1 2012, 09:54 PM)
No you are wrong, not because of the absent of 4 seasons and the death rate is low, the fatality rate is still super high because of our Malaysian driver is super brilliant due to their driving mentality, thinking my car has esp, vsc, vdc... So my car won't lose control no matter how, so even the road is super wet, they still think his car is super safe, so in the end, accident occur, this is one of the real example, my colleague who is driving his BMW 5 series year 2011, involved in an accident near Bukit Tinggiat Karak highway. Now he won't believe any ESP or vsc, his words are drive safely, when the road is wet, your 4 wheels are floating above the water.
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Everybody should always drive safely whenever possible. Those safety features like VSC, ESP, etc are to help in case of sudden unforeseen circumstances, and not an excuse to drive recklessly.
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post Jul 1 2012, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 1 2012, 03:43 PM)
Regardless, the Camry is still the no.1 bestselling car in the US

http://www.nada.org/NR/rdonlyres/3115B411-...Sales_Recap.pdf

US consumers are definitely more picky when it comes to buying a car, surely the car still has to be very good in all aspects to achieve that position and the Camry is in the lead by a big margin. Despite the fact that Camry still can't match the Optima in the NHTSA ratings in the US, it is still the king in the D-segment mainstream consumer market.

But I definitely agree with you, the Camry sold here is definitely the least safe D-segment car on the road right now.
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But bear in mind US spec Camry is very different from local spec Camry. No wonder it would do well in USA.

If our local Camry same spec as in USA then we'd have very little to b**ch about smile.gif
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post Jul 2 2012, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 2 2012, 07:44 AM)
This video shows that there's always a limit in whatever safety features installed in your car.
According to the video description, the car's speed was about 200km/h.


In such extreme cases I doubt if even ESP can save them.

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How do you know that the Camry 2012 in the video does not has ESP installed.
Can you please provide the support document.

p/s: I am not against the ESP.
It would be quite simple for you to check by going to Toyota Saudi Arabia's website: http://www.toyota.com.sa/en/specs.asp?model_id=4
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post Jul 2 2012, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 2 2012, 08:21 AM)
According to the reference that you have provided, only the SE limited version would has the VSC installed.
However, how did you know that the car is not the SE limited?
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I did not say anything about whether the car in the video is the SE Limited or not. I simply provided a link for you to get more info. If you'd like to know more, you can do further research.

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post Jul 2 2012, 05:20 PM

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It says: "Model data for Toyota, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, MINI and Lexus are not available as the distributors are unwilling to supply the information to the MAA due to concerns about the Competition Act."

I wonder why they don't wish to disclose the sales info? What have they got to hide? In particular for Toyota since previously they supplied the info to MAA.
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post Jul 19 2012, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 18 2012, 10:08 PM)
Aiya! Then nothing to do with affordability la. Just say "I would have gone for a VW myself but since there was no SC here, i had no choice but to go for a Camry'. Easier right instead of talking about affordability?  doh.gif
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In his definition of affordability it includes availability of SC.
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post Jul 19 2012, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jul 19 2012, 06:15 PM)
VW = 600m from my house
Audi = dun have in ipoh
UWM = 100m
BMW = 300m, same like honda coz beside
Meciles also beside vw = 600m
KIA = 5km, Hyundai = 3km

doh.gif  how to decide? those expensive car all near my house
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Wah, u must stay just along Jalan KK.
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post Jul 20 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:33 AM)
Its already being hit which is the main reason why Toyota has stopped providing data to MAA although they claim its due to some competition act. So now Toyota can claim all they want about the Camry sales and not many ppl will know.
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It's interesting how Toyota (and a few other brands) cite the Competition Act 2010 to withhold providing sales data. As far as I know there is nothing in the Act which prevents them from supplying the data. Must be just a flimsy excuse to justify not supplying the data.
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post Jul 22 2012, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(TamaUser @ Jul 21 2012, 05:02 PM)
Add: Just finished seeing the sales statistics. Perodua Myvi is on the top of the list. Myvi isn't a good car anyway, but the sales goes to 8000k/ month. Get my point?  brows.gif
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Where did you see the June sales stats? Got a link?

Anyway, what I saw interesting for H1 2012 is this:

Foreign car manufacturer, Toyota, came in third with 51,567 units sold, against last year's 41,688, while Nissan and Honda sold 16,533 units and 10,165 units, respectively, in the same period compared with 17,306 and 19,246 units last year.
From: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

Even among the leading Jap brands, Toyota outsells Honda by about 3x and Nissan by 5x (for this period anyway). Last year the gap was closer but still Toyota sales is more than double of Honda and Nissan.
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post Jul 24 2012, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 24 2012, 12:29 PM)
u just go to mudah and check those 2010 forte ....those owner are selling 63k ...which is 20k plus lower from the new forte...why it is not depreciate 10k / year? with a car that depreciate more than 10% of the car price per year...the resale value is not really good
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I don't think you can compare using new 2012 forte price.

The poster already mentioned at the time in 2010, the new car price was 76k (unless he got his info wrong).
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post Jul 24 2012, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 24 2012, 06:32 PM)
First, it is a 1 yr 9 months sx model forte

81.8k - 6.38k = 18k/1.75 so it is RM10,285 or average 12.5 % per year 
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First thing we have to agree on is the method of calculation. Do people really count the months and make it so exact like 1.75 years like what you have put above? I think usually it's just rounded to whole years.

Secondly, from 2010 to 2012 is it 2 years or 3 years for calculation? In the example given by 22222222 he considered it as 3 years.
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post Jul 25 2012, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 25 2012, 12:01 PM)
The year of purchase is considered as Year 1 regardless of the month.


I suppose this is true since people say the moment you drive your car out of the showroom it has already lost some value.

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