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post Jun 10 2011, 03:18 PM, updated 15y ago

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Liverpool Football Club



Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
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Manager :
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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
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Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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SQUAD NUMBER FOR 2011/2012 SEASON

* 1. Jones
* 2. Johnson
* 4. Meireles
* 5. Agger
* 6. Aurelio
* 7. Suarez
* 8. Gerrard
* 9. Carroll
* 10. J Cole
* 11. Maxi
* 12. Pacheco
* 14. Henderson
* 16. Kyrgiakos
* 18. Kuyt
* 18. Downing
* 20. Spearing
* 21. Lucas
* 22. D Wilson
* 23. Carragher
* 24. Ngog
* 25. Reina
* 26. Adam
* 28. Poulsen
* 30. Suso
* 31. Sterling
* 32. Darby

* 33. Shelvey
* 34. Kelly
* 35. Coady
* 37. Skrtel
* 38. Flanagan
* 39. Eccleston
* 40. Ayala
* 41. Hansen
* 42. Gulacsi
* 44. Mendy
* 45. Ince
* 46. Amoo
* 47. Wisdom
* 49. Robinson
* 99. Aquilani
* - Degen
* - El Zhar
* - Insua
* - Jovanovic
* - Kohlert
* - Mavinga
* - Roberts
* - Sokolik

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2011-2012 Fixtures

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Summer Transfer


IN:

Jordan Henderson ---- £20m ---- Sunderland
Charlie Adam ---- £9m ---- Blackpool
Steward Downing ---- £20m ---- Aston Villa
Alexander Doni ---- FREE ---- Roma

OUT:
Paul Konchesky---- Undisclosed ---- Leicester City
Gerrardo Bruna ---- Undisclosed ---- Blackpool
Stephen Darby -------- loan ----------Rochdale

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post Jun 10 2011, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(exkay @ Jun 10 2011, 03:23 PM)
I always thought there's something wrong with Liverpool fans but never quite knew why, till I see the "Under Contruction" title.
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I always know there's something wrong with K-tards but never quite knew why until I see you.

It doesn't even take a monkey brain to understand that people are constructing a new thread and you shouldn't be posting in it for the purpose of disturbing and taunting. smile.gif


Anyway, to the rest, let's start our discussion as usual. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 10 2011, 04:08 PM)
I taught it is 16 million deal, or no?
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Rising to 20m, based on add ons. Correct me if I am wrong. That's what I read of. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jun 10 2011, 04:40 PM)
Somebody should start a poll on the Liverpool transfer target most wanted by the fans. Honda, Mata, Agruero, Jefren, Adam, Downing, Marveoux, Dann or Cissokho?

Who you want most for the coming season or even pay us a visit this July 16th?
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I have requested on the mods to add on poll but a different one from what you asked because I think putting in the names will be a little bit unrealistic and some of them might not even on the radar of Kenny. So, I have changed the poll. Thanks for your suggestion though. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mAcInEt0sH @ Jun 10 2011, 04:25 PM)
sols,

kindly remove caretaker at manager section. KK it's our permanent manager already. smile.gif
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Done so. Thanks for reminding. biggrin.gif
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Liverpool FC captain Steven Gerrard says Jordan Henderson can follow in his footsteps

STEVEN GERRARD says Reds new-boy Jordan Henderson can follow in his footsteps at Anfield.

Gerrard has seen his new £16m team-mate at close quarters, having played alongside the 20-year-old with England last November, and believes the former Sunderland man will prove a shrewd acquisition by the club.

"It's a really positive signing," Gerrard said. "Let's hope he is the next Steven Gerrard.

"Liverpool needs a new Steven Gerrard and it will need a new Jamie Carragher. That's what good football clubs do - they replace their best players.

"I saw Jordan at first hand for two or three days with England and he is a good player with energy."

The Liverpool skipper has not kicked a ball since March, having undergone surgery to cure a long-standing groin problem, but admits he is relishing the thought of slotting back into Kenny Dalglish's ever-improving side.

"My groin feels so good just now," said Gerrard, whose last game for the Reds was the 3-1 win over Manchester United on March 6.

"For two or three hours each day I will have to work on my body to make sure I am right,. But I don’t see that as a chore. This is me getting right for Liverpool Football Club.

"I have started doing yoga a couple of times a week as well. It absolutely wipes you out. People who think you turn up and you’re just posing in different shapes should have a go!

"I am enjoying it after the sessions because I am feeling the benefits

"I’ve not kicked a ball for a long time, probably the longest I have gone in my career, and I can’t wait to get back now.

"I am excited about playing under Kenny Dalglish, just like the team did at the end of the season, which was going forward. We were playing with bottle and character and going all out to beat teams. And that always suits my style of playing."

Gerrard will return to Melwood for pre-season training to find increased competition for places in Liverpool's midfield. Dalglish yesterday completed his first signing of the summer, with Sunderland starlet Jordan Henderson arriving at Anfield in a £16m deal.

The captain watched the final game of last season from the away end at Aston Villa, and says the travelling Reds let him know he wouldn't be walking straight back into their side.

"There was a bit of banter flying around," he said. "Stuff like, ‘You won’t get back in the team, Stevie’ and ‘You’ve got a fight on next season, Gerrard, to get past Lucas and Spearo’.

"It was all good natured. But I don’t mind all that. I know what I can do and I know the challenge ahead for me. I welcome all that. Right now, I’m just steaming for a game of football again!"

Gerrard says he enjoyed his day out at Villa Park, despite his side's 1-0 defeat, and says that the Reds' disappointing end to the season will serve as a useful reminder of the work that still remains to be done at Anfield.

"I was a fan for a day," he said. "Carra [Jamie Carragher] had done it a few years ago and I’d had a few letters saying I should go to an away game. It was an eye-opener for me to get in among them. For a young player in our squad, or maybe one of the foreign lads, to have a day like that would really help them.

"Fans absolutely adore the players. Everything is about the players for them, so for a player to give up a day, mix with the fans and give a little back...well, there’s no harm in that.

"I am not putting pressure on anyone, but it is important for the players to have that link with the fans. If this club is going to be successful, everybody needs to stick together.

He added: "Sometimes it is important to stay grounded and have a little reality check. The last two results will help next season because it sends a message to players and fans that we are not the finished article.

"There is still an awful lot of hard work left, but we don’t mind that."

The signing of Henderson, following those of strikers Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll back in January, has triggered the start of a bright new era at Anfield. All three are aged 24 or under, and all could represent Liverpool's future.

For Gerrard, so often the 'go-to' man at Anfield, the arrivals are most welcome, though he rejects the notion that he alone has carried the side in recent years,

He said: "I never believed that anyway because in 2005 when we won the biggest trophy, and I had the best night of my life, we had 14 absolute heroes on the pitch. Don’t forget Neil Mellor and Florent Sinama-Pongolle, who turned the Olympiakos game in the group stage that year or we would have been out,.

"Of course there have been times when I have stood out, but there have been plenty of times when I have looked to my team-mates to help me. If that ‘one-man-team’ thing never gets mentioned again that’s great as it means the team is doing well."

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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jun 10 2011, 07:49 PM)
So you thinking of putting in a poll as well? With all the hypes and happenings from the media during this summer transfer window, it is impossible to differentiate rumors from actual targets. What about poll on position that needed strengthening? Vote plus player suggestion (realistic one, of course).
Thanks for noticing anyway.. smile.gif
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Poll added. Thanks a lot , TheWhacker. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 10 2011, 11:44 PM)
Funny how right wing doesnt get the same attention as left wing.

IMO both needs class players but i still went with left because our width on the right is provided johnson.

Its as if our left sided players are all cursed with something over the years.

Aurelio,agger,(latest one)carroll always injured.Riera,konchesky,insua,kromkamp and riise just not up to the standards required. sweat.gif

only reliable player we had was arbeloa and Real took him away sweat.gif
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I think right wing is not that important just yet considering, we have Kuyt there.

Then, we have Maxi, Gerrard, Henderson all able to play there.

Left wing is a bit out of space. So, I think we need more reinforcement there. Adam can play there. Downing will be a better option though with his crossing looks delicious for Carrol. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Jun 11 2011, 12:08 AM)
we can put kuyt / gerrard to the right since meireles can take the CAM and caroll suarez at the front
left back we have aurellio ( he's good when fit) johnson and Jack robinson
risse is the best left back we had in the past 10yrs bro
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I actually think Aurelio is better than Riise. It's just that he is too weak and fragile that I worry most of the time that he will be injured when he went in for tackles. Surprised me that he didnt break his own leg when he lunged in on Adam Johnson last season. laugh.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 11 2011, 12:08 AM)
Sorry,but i dont like maxi sad.gif

I really dont know what you guys see in him. blink.gif
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This , you have to ask hfi. He is a huge fans of Maxi.

To me, Maxi is a good squad player. Since he didn't whine much and happily settle for his wage on bench while doing some magic coming off the bench, I would rather he stays in the team. No point selling him off when we clearly need more depth in our squad. The fact that he is versatile just add an extra point. He can play left, right , middle and as second striker. So, why not? nod.gif

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 11 2011, 12:22 AM)
I dont know.When he first signed i thought he would be the solution of our left wing problem.But it worsened.

Thing is he doesnt create chances enough in any of those positions you mentioned.All of those positions require creative and flair players

who can make defence splitting passes.I am yet to see any 'magic' like you said.He took his chances when he scored the two hattrick

but that is role of a ST(kuyt,carroll).He simply goes missing when the team is not playing well.The magic that you said will have to be

coming up with something when the team is playing poorly or unable to penetrate defenses.

I heard he is on 50k a week and that is just wasting a spot for the younger players.LFC needs clear deadwood.

End of the long winded story above,i think we should trade in maxi for aguero laugh.gif
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I dunno about you but I would rather taking Maxi anyday than someone who often missed a sitter, given the chance to score. At least, he grabbed the chance, no? Talking about some N'Gog, some Babel and some Robbie Keane here. tongue.gif

Clearly, at some point of the season, around dec, quite often, we saw Maxi missing sitter but at the end of season, he had been marvelous. We need experienced player. Clubs like Juventus, Ac Milan, Roma, ManUtd are keeping their veteran players so as to allow them to coach the young one. We should do the same too.

And what makes you think that A.Madrid want to take Maxi back when they offered him to us for virtually nothing. He came in free(or close to free) if I remember clearly. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 11 2011, 12:37 AM)
Talk about sitters,i hope you watched the chelsea game at stamford bridge doh.gif

Exactly my point like u said.Nobody would let quality go on a cheap.

He is past his best.Better to let the youth take over.I doubt he features in first team plan.

Btw,the maxi for aguero thing was a joke.I didnt know you took it seriously.

Ngog,Babel all had potential and scored important goals for us especially against united.

Keane was a proven scorer before he came here but i swear i dont know wad happened to him.

My guess is maxi will be gone before the start of 2012-2013 season latest.
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Who of Maxi quality would willing to sit out on bench? I guess not much especially when we are not even in any Euro competition. Let's not be picky when it comes to squad player. It's not like he is going to be in first team week in week out anyway. We need his experience, quality to improve the depth of our squad. Unless we sign someone who is at least as good as he is, I see no point of letting him go. smile.gif

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