Discussion about watercooling and the results, Version 2
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 Aug 17 2007, 08:06 PM
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i've drain my loop n let them run in tap water... then drain again n refill wif distilled water n run it for an hour... then drain again n refill wif distilled water again... ok ah??? very hard to drain my loop o... maybe next week drain it again (it took me 1 hour to drain that pile of things)
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Aug 17 2007, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(HaHaNoCluE @ Aug 17 2007, 08:06 PM) i've drain my loop n let them run in tap water... then drain again n refill wif distilled water n run it for an hour... then drain again n refill wif distilled water again... ok ah??? very hard to drain my loop o... maybe next week drain it again (it took me 1 hour to drain that pile of things) well draining the water really take time....just find 1 fine sunday and do it   eh ur house got thouse filtered water?? like those diamond water and stuffs???? use the water to replace the tap water i think it will be better  |
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Aug 17 2007, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(HaHaNoCluE @ Aug 13 2007, 06:34 PM) yeah i realised that, that's y i only soak it for not more than 2 hours... then i clean it with lots of boiling water... I got my distilled water from a medical company.maybe i need to take them apart this weekend n clean it again... i think i'll drain it, then fill it with distilled water n let it run for a few hours then drain it again n refill with distilled water again... so what brand of distilled water should i buy??? |
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Aug 18 2007, 01:38 AM
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distilled water from medical... ok, those they use to clean kidneys???
diamond??? o ya... i'm using those... tap water is filtered water... Added on August 21, 2007, 12:14 pmafter running for few days... the distilled water has proven to be the cleanest n most effective medium for wc... my tubing is clear now n the temp has been the same, with or without coolant... 1 gallon of medical distilled water only cost me rm12.00... which is slightly more expensive than petronas distilled water (battery)... however, is RO water the same??? i tried to run push pull of fan configuration, running a few low rpm CM fans in push pull gave me better idle temp n lower noise too but once load, then fans shows it's weakness n temp hit high 60... however the low noise is very nice... i might buy a few more low rpm queit 120mm fans to test this out... This post has been edited by HaHaNoCluE: Aug 21 2007, 12:14 PM |
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Aug 29 2007, 01:35 AM
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change my mounting method of apogee gt frm this:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « to this: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « temperature for my x2 3800+ overclocked to 2.8Ghz with 1.47vcore dropped 5c in full load and same on idle. Maybe this mounting spread the TIM more balance as it got 2 screws to hold the block rite after we insert the waterblock, juz my opinion. |
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Aug 29 2007, 03:40 AM
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@lichyetan, u mean u add 2 adjustable nut there so that u can control the force for contact the block and the chip?
last time when i was using Tt Silent Tower which have the same concept of the adjustable nut the adjust the force, it really achive great result then any other 'clip-on' type cooler. i truely believe that using this kind of mounting was the best to achive perfect thermal contact for the block and chip IHS. |
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Aug 30 2007, 04:10 PM
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Question, was there a spring and a washer for each mount point previously? It's quite hard to tell from only pictures as there's a more appropriate mechanical explanation for it if you can furnish me the details.
Have no experience with the apogee but my storm was provided with a different method of mounting for A64 whereby the screw was rigidly mounted like a post and was similiar in mounting method to second picture but with two large nylon washers instead and a thick sturdy set of springs |
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Aug 31 2007, 07:07 AM
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ermmm... its without spring for the 1st pics, just pure screw, the 2nd pics also without spring. i think the only difference is for the 1st pic, the TIM contact will slightly run away when i tighten the screw using screwdriver as the waterblock will sometimes move left or right a bit. while the mounting method in 2nd pic, the 2 screw were holding the block to prevent it from moving around and also using the nut, it will provide more balance pressure when tighten with hand rather thn screwdriver, juz my opinion tough but the temp do improve by few degree.
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Sep 1 2007, 01:58 PM
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Hurmmm, the I'd suggest trying a spring loaded method. Never failed me before ever since my early days of watercooling with a Maze 4 until now. It distributes the load evenly. But then again, the mounting method always did sucked for A64
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Sep 1 2007, 07:17 PM
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=13077914
QUOTE(remysix @ Sep 1 2007, 06:40 PM) that's the problem...i couldnt find the problem 48 to 49'c idle with ur kit does seems a bit out of theory... have u tried to remount the cpu block??? ...no air buble, the water flow is very clean n smooth...anyway, running Q6600 G0 at 3.5G wif 1.38v, what do u think the acceptable temp? |
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Sep 1 2007, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(HaHaNoCluE @ Sep 1 2007, 07:17 PM) http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=13077914 that's the most logical thing to do but will do it as the last resort and it seems it is the last resort.48 to 49'c idle with ur kit does seems a bit out of theory... have u tried to remount the cpu block??? just got back from shopping with my family...gonna do it tomorrow. mmm...to re-mount it, i just need to take out the block - just like that. no need to other things, rite?  really a n00b in WC Added on September 2, 2007, 6:54 pmwell, took out the cpu block, clean it and the proc as well. put back the TIM as per Artic guide. placed the cpu block back. this time i use the adjustable nuts. screwed them tight as possible. now at 3.6G@1.425v. i got 43-44c idle temp; load temp to around 62-64c. is it a normal temp for WC? i wonder why the idle is kinda high. last time using air-cooling, idle never passed 40c even thou the temp delta between idle and load is higher than that of WC but 44c idle seems...unacceptable. really got headache wondering what i did wrong. This post has been edited by remysix: Sep 2 2007, 06:54 PM |
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Sep 2 2007, 10:54 PM
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almostthere, unlike the storm, the apogee gt's s939 mounting is just some two screws, which i personally didn't like either. it was a PITA to get it mounted properly.
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Sep 3 2007, 02:04 AM
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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Sep 2 2007, 10:54 PM) almostthere, unlike the storm, the apogee gt's s939 mounting is just some two screws, which i personally didn't like either. it was a PITA to get it mounted properly. MTZ, based on ur advice...now i'm thinking how to do it since my rad outlet is facing the right side of the casing. another headache for me i guess. anyway, PMed u for 1-to-1 tutorial but if u wish to share with others, dun mind posting in here. thanks. re-quote the advice given in another thread for everyone's benefit; at least for a n00b like me. QUOTE(by MetalZone) remysix: you just assembled the set and bled it that way with the casing upright and you didn't tilt it at all? if that is so, i can pretty much bet that there is still air inside the radiator. since the inlet to your rad is on the side facing u, and the outlet on the other side, you have to tilt the entire casing towards you to get the air out. but you would also have to be aware of air going back into the loop from the reservoir. thus, for those having their rads on top, i recommend plumbing the inlet side of the rad to be on the side away from you, and the outlet of the rad would be the one nearer to you. thus this way you can dismount the reservoir and tilt the casing full flat to the ground away from you to allow the air out of the rad. if you have someone to help you, you can then ask him to hold the res upright while you tilt the case around according to the flow of the res to get the air out. reason behind this is because these radiators are two pass rads. the water enters from one of the inlets, flow down to the end of the rad on one half of the radiator, then at the chamber at the end, the water makes a turn round to the other half of the rad and flows back to the outlet. so when you bleed your radiator, bear this in mind to tilt the radiator according to the flow direction. air will always be above water, so use basic science lah to flow the air out. Added on September 3, 2007, 10:25 amfollowed MTZ's advice on the bleeding. but instead of pulling the rig towards me, i unscrew the res, took it out and put it nicely in a container to hold it upwards and then tilted all the way the rig with the backend lying on the floor. started the pump and as expect from WC Sifu's advice, the air came out rushing from the rad. quite a lot of air was still trapped in the rad. once awhile, i tilted to the left and right to ensure no more air trapped. looks ok now but i just let it bleed summore. just to be sure. hope everything is ok after this. thanks again MTZ. This post has been edited by remysix: Sep 3 2007, 10:25 AM |
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Sep 3 2007, 12:57 PM
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Just curious .. how good Apogee GT could work on stock E6600 running dual rad.
my CPU temperature isn't up to expectation compared to the VGA card block's performance... |
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Sep 3 2007, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Doom @ Sep 3 2007, 12:57 PM) Just curious .. how good Apogee GT could work on stock E6600 running dual rad. hahaha, that's same to me... i mean from hsf to wc but the cpu only benefit a drop of 5'c to 8'c... compare to my arctic freezer 7 pro... but the gpu temp drop is huge...! anyway, till i found a case for the dual rad then i'll make sure i'll have a better loop (shorter n neater)... re-blead the loop again... my e6600 (400 x 9, 1.500vcore) idle temp is now 40'c to 42'c at nite...my CPU temperature isn't up to expectation compared to the VGA card block's performance... |
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Sep 4 2007, 07:30 AM
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rain all nite long last nite till this morning...so, the temp seems to be good...idling at 38c.
i'm giving another option for my setup. after all the hassle to have the rad inside the casing, i think i might wanna try to put it outside. the rad is really generating a lot of heat inside and wif 1x120mm exhaust fan, the inside is like a oven which i think personally really not good for watercooling. i need to find a good and free day to do that, maybe this weekend. @HaHaNoClue, yup, the temp that i got is kinda frustrating compared to the aircooling taking into consideration the hassle of mounting the rad inside, mounting the res and pump and ensuring no leaking and then bleeding process summore plus the price for the whole setup. with all that factors. maybe there are still a lot for us to learn. are u planning to bow ur GT? |
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Sep 4 2007, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(remysix @ Sep 4 2007, 07:30 AM) rain all nite long last nite till this morning...so, the temp seems to be good...idling at 38c. i'm not sure if i wanna bow my gt but maybe i'll do it when i overhaul my rig... but eventhough the idle temp doesn't show much superior but the load temp is much much better... yah, i mean it's really a bit of pain in the ass for 1st timer wc... got to read tons of stuffs, then the money, then the installation, etc but luckily we found lots of help from lyn member... well, that's still a nice adventure though... i'm giving another option for my setup. after all the hassle to have the rad inside the casing, i think i might wanna try to put it outside. the rad is really generating a lot of heat inside and wif 1x120mm exhaust fan, the inside is like a oven which i think personally really not good for watercooling. i need to find a good and free day to do that, maybe this weekend. @HaHaNoClue, yup, the temp that i got is kinda frustrating compared to the aircooling taking into consideration the hassle of mounting the rad inside, mounting the res and pump and ensuring no leaking and then bleeding process summore plus the price for the whole setup. with all that factors. maybe there are still a lot for us to learn. are u planning to bow ur GT?  however, my nb n my gpu benefit a lot from this wc kit... i juz dunno y my 975 is so hot, maybe due to the high vmch i pump in, but now it's pretty cool n i can even lower the vmch by quite a margin... |
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Sep 5 2007, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE(HaHaNoCluE @ Sep 4 2007, 12:09 PM) i'm not sure if i wanna bow my gt but maybe i'll do it when i overhaul my rig... but eventhough the idle temp doesn't show much superior but the load temp is much much better... yah, i mean it's really a bit of pain in the ass for 1st timer wc... got to read tons of stuffs, then the money, then the installation, etc but luckily we found lots of help from lyn member... well, that's still a nice adventure though... yup, a lot of help from all the sifus and members from LYN community. really appreciate if... however, my nb n my gpu benefit a lot from this wc kit... i juz dunno y my 975 is so hot, maybe due to the high vmch i pump in, but now it's pretty cool n i can even lower the vmch by quite a margin...got a few update today. this morning, i plugged in another Q6600 G0. and to my surprise, i got a 10c drop  it must be the mounting issue i had earlier even thou i have tried a few times remounting the other proc, still got the same temp. but with this one, finally got my dream temp, without even bother to take out the rad outside. i will post some pic afterwards. today, i'm satisfied being a WC user after all the headache, really paid off.  |
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Sep 5 2007, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(Doom @ Sep 3 2007, 12:57 PM) Just curious .. how good Apogee GT could work on stock E6600 running dual rad. ic ic .. maybe use to performance of good air cooling heatsink ...that's why don't feel much different ..my CPU temperature isn't up to expectation compared to the VGA card block's performance... but at least it improve the condition at load ... so it does pay off... |
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Sep 5 2007, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(Doom @ Sep 5 2007, 09:34 AM) ic ic .. maybe use to performance of good air cooling heatsink ...that's why don't feel much different .. hey doom, if u want to get better temps, u can try bow ur GT since u using intel proc, and also use more powerful radiator such as thermochill to maximize the cooling capabilities. but at least it improve the condition at load ... so it does pay off...  |
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