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I'm writing this guide as universal as possible so that anybody who's interested in pursuing this field can get a definitive idea of what to do, where to go and how. I will update this as frequent as possible. There have been several inquiries on studying architecture, so I wish I could redirect them to this topic. Although I'm attached to UTM, my intention is purely altruistic and to provide information as neutral as possible.

This is the third version of the thread. The information is annually updated to cater for the latest intake sessions.


The Architecture Profession: A Brief Introduction

1.0 What is an Architect?

Architecture is one of the oldest profession in the world. An architect is a designer of buildings. They don't actually construct them, because they have builders working for them. Architects are the leader in the construction industry, usually second only to the client or developer. They don't just design buildings, architects also take into consideration the clients needs and requirements and protects their rights.

2.0 Governing Bodies

The architecture profession in Malaysia is protected by law. The regulating and governing body of the architecture profession in Malaysia is known as Lembaga Akitek Malaysia (LAM). They govern the entire profession starting from the definition of an architect under the Malaysian Constitution, licensing, practice, acts and enactments as well as education.

The other body that concerns the well being of architects themselves is Pertubuhan Akitek Malaysia. It functions as an association that takes care of its members, organize functions and manages the professional development of an architect from the lowest to highest qualification.

3.0. Practicing Architecture

Just like Bar exam for lawyers, architects also require certain level of qualification that is a standard worldwide. The qualifications are known as LAM Part 1, 2 and 3. The equivalent of this is ARB (Architects Registration Board), AIA (American Institute of Architects) and RAIA (Royal Australian Institute of Architects). After graduating with Part 2, a person is known as an Graduate Architect, and will be able to practice according to the job specification of an architect. This should be the minimum target of anyone pursuing this profession. Anything less is a waste of time.

These qualifications can be obtained in two ways:
    i. Obtaining a fully accredited degree (or equivalent) that carries Part 1 or 2 equivalent.
    ii. Sitting for individual exams after obtaining a non-accredited degree for Part or 2.
Part 3 can only be obtained after practicing as an architect for a minimum of 2 years and fulfilling all the project requirements set by LAM. Fulfilling these needs, the architect will then submit themselves to a series of interviews and exams to determine that they are capable and absolutely qualified.

So how do one study to become an architect?

4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture

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List of Abbreviations:

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The diagram above illustrates, as simple as possible, the route to become an architect after SPM. There are several ways to do so, and it is totally up to the person. The choices are quite open, where students can generally study entirely in Malaysia, partly in Malaysia+overseas, or fully overseas.

Each of the choices above have its own advantage and disadvantages. This I will elaborate further in the future. Most important factors are time and money. So the next question would be: where can you study architecture?

4.1. Schools, Accreditation and Level of Qualification

LAM, supported by Malaysian Qualification Agency (MQA), frequently assesses schools (once every 5 years) in order to maintain the standard of education for architecture. New schools will need to be assessed fully before given accreditation. As I've mentioned before, to obtain Part 1 and 2 qualifications, the diploma, bachelor's or masters degree must be accredited by LAM and recognised by MQA.

You can refer to the list of accredited schools from the diagram in 4.0 above, on check directly at LAM's List of Recognised Architectural Programmes here.

Important note: In architecture education, there are two bodies awarding recognition/accreditation: MQA and LAM. MQA is responsible in ensuring that the course offered complies to the standard of awarding an academic certificate (diploma, degree etc). Not having a MQA recognition simply means the school does not comply to the standard to award a single degree, let alone an architectural degree. LAM on the other hand monitors the quality of architecture education, ensuring that a degree produces qualified architect for practice. Not having LAM accreditation means although the degree still hold value, it is not enough to allow you to become a legally licensed architect. However graduates still have the opportunity to take LAM exams independently.


4.2. Validated International Schools


Studying overseas is one of the recommended option to study architecture. It is advised that an architect to travel as much as they can, to understand other buildings, arts and cultures. I personally would recommend studying in Europe, as you can really benefit a lot from travel. The link below provides a list of validated overseas schools.

Recognised Architectural Programmes


4.3. Common Paths after Finishing Part 1


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The diagram above illustrates common paths that most architecture students with Part 1 took after finishing up their first degrees. Yellow choices indicate academic paths, and blue choices indicate work/practice paths. It is also common that students choose to work for a year or two before continuing for their Part 2. Having work experience tremendously boosts their chances to land a place in a university, not to mention the advantage of experience they have over other students who went straight from Part 1.
5.0. Planning Your Studies

5.1. SPM Subject Relevance

Due to so many questions about what subject(s) to take during SPM that would be considered relevant to architecture, I've tabled out all the SPM subjects (not including vocational subject category) and explained more or less on its relevancy to architecture education.

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    i. Subject - Subjects that have been categorized according to its similar contribution towards architecture education.
    ii. Category - Keywords of relevant knowledge or skills that is attributed to the subject in architecture education.
    iii. Description - A brief description on what the subject could contribute when studying architecture.
    iv. Relevance - The value of taking that particular subject in relation to learning architecture.
This table is not to be confused with the intake requirement for any university. This list compiles the relevance of the subjects according to the typical architecture curriculum. Meaning, not taking a "Very Relevant" subject does not put you at a disadvantage when applying for architecture compared to those taking it.

The other reason for this table is to demystify the common misconception that students need Math, AddMath, Physics and Arts in architecture, where in actual fact, those requirements are only needed when applying for the course. The purpose of this table is to provide general knowledge so anyone who just finished PMR could decide which subject they want to take for SPM in order to benefit the most during architecture education.

Updated :
(4 Jan) List of LAM Accredited International Schools
(4 Jan) Updated diagram 4.0 to include Taylor's and LUCT paths
(4 Jan) Inserted spoiler tags to keep everything tidy
(26 Jan) Inserted item 4.3: Common paths after finishing part 1
(2 Feb) Added section 5.0. Planning Your Studies
(2 Feb) Inserted diagram 5.1.
(23 Mar) Updated diagram 4.0.
(17 Dec) Updated the accreditation list
(30 Jan 08) Updated diagram 4.0 with new information and format
(30 Jan 08) Updated diagram 5.1. with new relevancy
(30 Jan 08) Inserted Architectural FAQs
(30 Jan 08) Started Version 2 of the discussions
(2 Feb 08) Updated diagram 4.0. to include Kolej Negeri, Kolej Shahputra, ITP YPJ and UCI
(2 Feb 08) Added abbreviation guide
(20 Oct 08) Added UPM into the list of LAM Part 1 Accredited Schools
(5 Apr 09) Updated diagram 4.0 with new information and format
(5 Apr 09) Added UPM and UIAM into the list of LAM Part 2 Accredited Schools
(5 Jan 10) Updated some details
(9 Apr 11) Updated diagram 4.0. Included ITPert, Kolej Laila Taib and UTM SPACE (part time). Rearranged the structure and paths.
(9 Apr 11) Updated the accredited schools list
(21 May 11) Updated UKM out of the accredited school list
(27 July 12) Updated UKM and Taylor's into accredited school list
(27 July 12) Reorganized the Architectural Paths diagram to make more sense.
(31 Jan 14) Updated Architectural Paths diagram.
(1 Feb 14) Revised and updated new information and documentations.
(5 Feb 16) Updated Architectural Paths diagram for 2016.
(5 Feb 16) Added list of abbreviations accompanying the Paths diagram.
(12 Mar 18) Updated Architectural Paths and New Abbreviation.
(13 Feb 21) Updated the text and new information in 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 including subsections.
(14 Feb 21) Updated Architectural Paths for 2021 and accompanying abbreviations.
(2 Mar 23) Updated Architectural Paths for 2023 and accompanying abbreviations.
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Architecture FAQs

1.0. Planning Towards Architecture as a Profession

1.1. Planning your route to architecture

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1.2. Where to study?

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1.3. Switching to architecture

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1.4. Financing your studies

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1.5. Accreditation, Recognition and Qualification Issues

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1.6. Applying to a school of architecture

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1.7. School specific questions

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2.0. Architecture Education

2.1. Studying architecture

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2.2. Subjects and topics offered

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2.3. Skills and abilities

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2.5. References on architecture education

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2.6. University life in Malaysia

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3.0. POST ARCHITECTURE EDUCATION

3.1. Prospects after studies

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3.2. About the profession and industry

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woah, i'm glad tht this thread is opened again. btw i wanna know tht for UTM, does UTMn accept matrikulasi perakaunan qualification? thx
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Cheers for the comprehensive information TS.

Hope that others would follow suit in explaining other careers!



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QUOTE(bayleef10 @ Mar 12 2011, 12:49 PM)
woah, i'm glad tht this thread is opened again. btw i wanna know tht for UTM, does UTMn accept matrikulasi perakaunan qualification? thx
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as answered in the previous thread, yes we do. but u will be competing with those from other matriculations as well, meaning apart from ur cgpa, u must have a substantial amount of portfolio to boost.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 13 2011, 08:48 AM)
as answered in the previous thread, yes we do. but u will be competing with those from other matriculations as well, meaning apart from ur cgpa, u must have a substantial amount of portfolio to boost.
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yea i'm aware of that. the utm's arch is just 4yrs? i thot minimum is like 5yrs??
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UTM is 5 years. where got 4 years?
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my fren's sister told my mum it's 4yrs =_= i'm also confused
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QUOTE(bayleef10 @ Mar 14 2011, 03:04 AM)
my fren's sister told my mum it's 4yrs =_= i'm also confused
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i'm currently teaching the course and u're referring to ur friend's sister? i is sad for mareshian.
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no la..... my mum told me bout it... =_=... dun b sad la..
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boss..just my 2 cents..u missed out UTM space..part time programme.. and yes.. UTM 5 years.. and wright never went to archi school..

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QUOTE(sheiberlee @ Mar 14 2011, 09:16 PM)
boss..just my 2 cents..u missed out UTM space..part time programme.. and yes.. UTM 5 years.. and wright never went to archi school..

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UTM SPACE programme is not accredited. There will be no end if you were to include all the unaccredited programmes.

Wright was from the nineteeth century.
Nowadays, there are also many without qualification(Part III and registered) who practice architecture, that is if they can find a qualified architect to be the 'submitting person'. Strictly, it is against the law but is being done.

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Mar 15 2011, 03:23 AM)
UTM SPACE programme is not accredited.  There will be no end if you were to include all the unaccredited programmes.

Wright was from the nineteeth century.
Nowadays, there are also many without qualification(Part III and registered) who practice architecture, that is if they can find a qualified architect to be the 'submitting person'.  Strictly, it is against the law but is being done.
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well, UTM main programme accreditation have expired last october, and the accreditation will commence this may. technically due to this lapse, UTM is no more visible in the PAM list of accredited schools.

to answer why SPACE was not in my original list: i simply forgot to add it in lol.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 16 2011, 11:16 AM)
well, UTM main programme accreditation have expired last october, and the accreditation will commence this may. technically due to this lapse, UTM is no more visible in the PAM list of accredited schools.

to answer why SPACE was not in my original list: i simply forgot to add it in lol.
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sheiberlee was asking about the UTM SPACE programme. Any news of the status of its accreditation?

The list of accredited schools is from LAM, not PAM.
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sorry, i meant LAM list of accredited schools. u may check now and u will not find UTM there wink.gif.

UTM's main programme will be accredited this may, while SPACE programme will be end of this year.

in my diagram above, i've listed both accredited and non-accredited schools. the reason why UTM SPACE was not on the list have been given in my previous post.
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Dear azarimy,I've applied for UTM architecture for this coming intake,but it's stated that this course is an 8-semester long course,which is equivalent to 4 years right? Please clear my mind on that.
Besides that, are most assignments individual or paired/group?
I've gone through this and the previous architecture threads and it seems that the aptitude test is really tough. Im especially worried about the drawing skills part because i dont draw well,not that i dont like it. Any advice if i do get called for the interview?
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QUOTE(ksquared90 @ Mar 17 2011, 11:13 AM)
Dear azarimy,I've applied for UTM architecture for this coming intake,but it's stated that this course is an 8-semester long course,which is equivalent to 4 years right? Please clear my mind on that.
Besides that, are most assignments individual or paired/group?
I've gone through this and the previous architecture threads and it seems that the aptitude test is really tough. Im especially worried about the drawing skills part because i dont draw well,not that i dont like it. Any advice if i do get called for the interview?
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i. UTM degree have always been 10 semesters long, while the dipploma is always 6 semesters. the only 8-semester long course is UiTM, but's for SPM intake. so it must be an error on UPU side.

ii. assignments/projects can be of individual, paired or group format. i can say equally proportionate to each other.

iii. if u've done enough IQ tests, quizzes and stuff like that, the aptitude test is freakingly EASY. but if u cant utilize logic, then i'm sorry, u're not suitable for us tongue.gif. on the drawing part... well, do ur best. that's all i can say. and finally, on the interview part: all u need is a good attitude and a lot of confidence. dont try to predict questions. just go with the flow. we (the interviewers) can be extremely creative. so watch out wink.gif.
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Ohh,thanks alot for the answers and advice. Im just really nervous thinking about interviews for architecture. Causes me to doubt whether I am suitable for this. But thanks anyways. Will be dropping more questions if i could think of any. smile.gif
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Whats the universities' general requiremnt for A levels for architecture?
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Hi I got myself stuck with translation of Malay language while choosing Architecture program.

For Architecture, is it "Senibina, Perancangan Dan Ukur" or "Seni Lukis Dan Seni Reka"?

Cause "Kejuruteraan" is engineering right?

EDIT: For the Path 1 of your "4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture", does the Foundation means the foundation offered by the certain university? Cause I recently found that IPTA actually offers Foundation program.

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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Mar 23 2011, 09:58 PM)
Hi I got myself stuck with translation of Malay language while choosing Architecture program.

For Architecture, is it "Senibina, Perancangan Dan Ukur" or "Seni Lukis Dan Seni Reka"?

Cause "Kejuruteraan" is engineering right?

EDIT: For the Path 1 of your "4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture", does the Foundation means the foundation offered by the certain university? Cause I recently found that IPTA actually offers Foundation program.
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I'm not 100% sure, but I do think this is what it means:

Seni Bina - Architecture
Perancangan dan ukur - Planning and Surveying/Measuring
Seni Lukis - Illustration
Seni Reka - Design

If Seni Lukis & Seni Reka in 1 sentence then it means - Arts & Design

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QUOTE(Bonetoad @ Mar 23 2011, 03:31 PM)
I'm not 100% sure, but I do think this is what it means:

Seni Bina - Architecture
Perancangan dan ukur - Planning and Surveying/Measuring
Seni Lukis - Illustration
Seni Reka - Design

If Seni Lukis & Seni Reka in 1 sentence then it means - Arts & Design
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that's spot on.

and to answer the new question, yes, it means university specific foundation programme. some IPTAs have started to offer foundation programmes, but i've not seen anyone successfully applied to an IPTA using a foundation from a different one. meaning UIAM's foundation is only valid for studies in UIAM, UM's for UM, UiTM for UiTM and so on.

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I HAVE FEW QUESTION TO ASK .

1) Does the diploma in architecture UTM offered by the kolej shahputra is genuinely from UTM ?

2) AFTER I GRADUATED FROM THE DIPLOMA IN ARCHITECTURE IN THIS KOLEJ , COULD I CONTINUE MY DEGREE IN ARCHITECTURE IN UTM ?

THE DIPLOMA COURSE IS 3 YEARS .
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QUOTE(yansheng91 @ Mar 23 2011, 04:36 PM)
DEAR SIR ,
I HAVE FEW QUESTION TO ASK .

1) Does the diploma in architecture UTM offered by the kolej shahputra is genuinely from UTM ?

2) AFTER I GRADUATED FROM THE DIPLOMA IN ARCHITECTURE IN THIS KOLEJ , COULD I CONTINUE MY DEGREE IN ARCHITECTURE IN UTM ?

THE DIPLOMA COURSE IS 3 YEARS .
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1. yes, it's genuinely from UTM. the examination papers are graded by UTM lecturers themselves. shahputra teach, we grade.

2. yes.

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is architecture considered as social science?
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Thanks for solution, now going to search for the BSN and PTPTN related thread in the forum ASAP since 4th April is the last date for July intake so I've to make it fast.

Just wondering that if I can take my Diploma in university like Laila (I'm a Sarawakian and they provide 'free' or I should rather say a cheaper cost to obtain Diploma for Sarawakians) and then I transfer myself to peninsular for LAM-recognized IPTA like UiTM would affect my further study to Bachelor position since LAM don't recognize Laila (Or do they?).

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AFTER THE DIPLOMA , WHEN WANNA APPLY INTO BACHELOR OF ARCH IN UTM , STILL NEED INTERVIEW ?
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AFTER THE DIPLOMA , WHEN WANNA APPLY INTO BACHELOR OF ARCH IN UTM , STILL NEED INTERVIEW ?
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Yup

btw, u and yen2009 are 2 different people?
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Any help here?
Thanks!
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QUOTE(bayleef10 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:52 AM)
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yes. but it is also built environment and design. it depends on how a university would categorize them. u can see that some schools award a BSc in Architecture, others give a BA in architecture. still the same thing wink.gif.

QUOTE(yen2009 @ Mar 24 2011, 10:40 AM)
Thanks for solution, now going to search for the BSN and PTPTN related thread in the forum ASAP since 4th April is the last date for July intake so I've to make it fast.

Just wondering that if I can take my Diploma in university like Laila (I'm a Sarawakian and they provide 'free' or I should rather say a cheaper cost to obtain Diploma for Sarawakians) and then I transfer myself to peninsular for LAM-recognized IPTA like UiTM would affect my further study to Bachelor position since LAM don't recognize Laila (Or do they?).
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LAM do not recognize diploma from laila taib. actually LAM do not recognize ANY diploma from anywhere except the old, discontinued ITM diploma (part 1). but that doesnt mean u cant apply. u still can, but it is up to the target university to determine where u should join: 1st year or 2nd year. the decision will be based on the credit transfer amount and ur portfolio.

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AFTER THE DIPLOMA , WHEN WANNA APPLY INTO BACHELOR OF ARCH IN UTM , STILL NEED INTERVIEW ?
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yes, unless u're from UTM diploma (KL). UTM interviews everyone bcoz of the sheer number applying each year.

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IPTAs only recognize A-levels for foreign students, with the exception of UIAM. if u're local but did A-levels, ur only option now is to join IPTS.
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FROM DIPLOMA SHAH PUTRA ? STILL NEED INTERVIEW WHILE ENTERING DEGREE IN UTM ?

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okay enough with the caps. your keyboard broken or something?

if shahputra to UTM, u will join at 2nd year unless u score a whole bunch of subjects.

this weekend (saturday and sunday) is UTM open day. come drop by in skudai and i'll give u a tour about how to land a place here. that goes to all of u interested in UTM's architecture.
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I scored average ''bad'' in SPM but manage to get 5 credits in BM, English, Sej, P.Islam, and Maths. Any chances for me to go for architectural foundation in UTM or any other uni?

Add Ons : I went to UTM's website and checked out how to apply for Diploma in Architectural thru online and it stated there to go to UPU's website to apply. When I go to UPU website, there's no option for UTM's diploma in Architectural

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QUOTE(waie @ Mar 25 2011, 07:11 PM)
I scored average ''bad'' in SPM but manage to get 5 credits in BM, English, Sej, P.Islam, and Maths. Any chances for me to go for architectural foundation in UTM or any other uni?

Add Ons : I went to UTM's website and checked out how to apply for Diploma in Architectural thru online and it stated there to go to UPU's website to apply. When I go to UPU website, there's no option for UTM's diploma in Architectural
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UTM do not offer any foundation programmes. only UIAM and UM. do check the requirements at their respective websites wink.gif.

diploma in architecture, UTM is listed under the SPACE full-time programme, not under faculty of built environment. do check again.
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LAM do not recognize diploma from laila taib. actually LAM do not recognize ANY diploma from anywhere except the old, discontinued ITM diploma (part 1). but that doesnt mean u cant apply. u still can, but it is up to the target university to determine where u should join: 1st year or 2nd year. the decision will be based on the credit transfer amount and ur portfolio.
You did recommend STPM as the best route to oversea Architecture, how about local? Cause I would prefer more experience exposure to Architecture (Diploma) than education (STPM).

Does replacing Diploma with STPM means I skipped a lot of Architecture basics when advancing to Bachelor through STPM path?

How's your opinion in this case since the government prefers STPM students nowadays.
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Mar 26 2011, 09:16 AM)
You did recommend STPM as the best route to oversea Architecture, how about local? Cause I would prefer more experience exposure to Architecture (Diploma) than education (STPM).

Does replacing Diploma with STPM means I skipped a lot of Architecture basics when advancing to Bachelor through STPM path?

How's your opinion in this case since the government prefers STPM students nowadays.
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i always recommend STPM above all else as it gives the widest option available for ur studies. it also is a good fallback should u decide architecture is NOT for u. architecture has the highest drop out rate, so it's always go to have a fallback option.

if u're talking about UTM, then it's not much of a difference between diploma and STPM. basically what u learned in 3 years diploma will be covered in the first 2 years of degree. yeah, it's a bit more compressed, but doesnt mean it's more hectic. but it is always up to u. the diploma gives u option to bail out after 3 years. taking the 5 year degree after STPM means u dont have any options should u wish to quit wink.gif.
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I see, cause people are telling me that going for Laila then Bachelor in peninsular university may disrupt my path.

And since you said the basics would be covered in the early years so I may be taking a safer path which is STPM. smile.gif
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which university i should apply to get diploma in architecture? UTM or UiTM. my friend suggest i take UiTM. but as to my research there is no diploma in architecture in UiTM only in UTM and UIAM. I really want to be architect but i don't know where to start. which are the university that can help me pursuing my dream. and i a bit worried about the interview. i have kind talent in drawing but not as good as other who learn art and design in teknik school. help me please!! let me know when the time you online. i want to add you in ym. if you can add me that really helpful. my ym is "rowreige4869@yahoo.com" rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Mar 26 2011, 11:00 PM)
I see, cause people are telling me that going for Laila then Bachelor in peninsular university may disrupt my path.

And since you said the basics would be covered in the early years so I may be taking a safer path which is STPM. smile.gif
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it wont disrupt ur path, but might make it harder.


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which university i should apply to get diploma in architecture? UTM or UiTM. my friend suggest i take UiTM. but as to my research there is no diploma in architecture in UiTM only in UTM and UIAM. I really want to be architect but i don't know where to start. which are the university that can help me pursuing my dream. and i a bit worried about the interview. i have kind talent in drawing but not as good as other who learn art and design in teknik school. help me please!! let me know when the time you online. i want to add you in ym. if you can add me that really helpful. my ym is "rowreige4869@yahoo.com"  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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as i've mentioned earlier, UiTM do not offer diploma anymore, and neither do UIAM. i'm only aware UIAM offering foundation, but not diploma. and there's a big difference between those two.

and i dont do YM or any messengers anymore. better use the forums as i can get online as i please to answer ur questions, rather than stuck in front of a PC waiting for people to come in for a chat wink.gif. i'm paid by the hour u know, time is precious tongue.gif.



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Just curious...what is the rate like? wink.gif tongue.gif

It seems SPM leavers are inclined to go for foundation and diploma route rather the tradional pre-U/STPM route. Easier route you reckon?

I'd think STPM is more intellectually challenging, having been time-tested for decades.

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i recently just went to UTM Skudai for the jom masuk u booths in pesta konvo . and i did get a pamplet of Fakulti Alam Bina . when i tried to apply in the upu form , it did say something about passing an interview . so do i need to attend the interview and pass it in order to study architecture in UTM ?

i think it'll be easier for me to study there since my sis and bro are studying engineering in that same u . btw , i was studying in science stream . i never took arts or LKJ . so im not pretty sure if im really qualified and have what it takes to study architecture . i decide on architecture because i like to draw . well , i've never drawn any buildings btw . -__-''

and after taking the personality test , the counselor mentioned that im quite the artistic type . so i figured out maybe architecture is a good choice . but my results not that good . and is it hard studying in the architecture stream ? because none in my family is an architect or took architecture before .

TQ .
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Hi guys, I'm currently taking Bachelor of Landscape Architecture. Want to ask a question, French and German, which language is easier and more useful in landscape architecture field? Thanks!
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Mar 29 2011, 04:35 AM)
Just curious...what is the rate like?  wink.gif tongue.gif

It seems SPM leavers are inclined to go for foundation and diploma route rather the tradional  pre-U/STPM route.  Easier route you reckon?

I'd think STPM is more intellectually challenging, having been time-tested for decades.
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about RM25 per hour only (gomen rate). but if we're invited to give lectures outside the university etc, the fee is RM200 per hour. unfortunately we dont get invited alot. yet... wink.gif

this year it seems people are so inclined to get their hands dirty. remember a couple of years back people are all going for degree straight away? i dont understand these kids lol. or perhaps it's bcoz SPM results just came out. is STPM out yet?

i'm always recommending STPM. no argument there.

QUOTE(youhesh @ Mar 29 2011, 07:28 AM)
i recently just went to UTM Skudai for the jom masuk u booths in pesta konvo . and i did get a pamplet of Fakulti Alam Bina . when i tried to apply in the upu form , it did say something about passing an interview . so do i need to attend the interview and pass it in order to study architecture in UTM ?

i think it'll be easier for me to study there since my sis and bro are studying engineering in that same u . btw , i was studying in science stream . i never took arts or LKJ . so im not pretty sure if im really qualified and have what it takes to study architecture . i decide on architecture because i like to draw . well , i've never drawn any buildings btw . -__-''

and after taking the personality test , the counselor mentioned that im quite the artistic type . so i figured out maybe architecture is a good choice . but my results not that good . and is it hard studying in the architecture stream ? because none in my family is an architect or took architecture before .

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yes, u would need to pass the interview. it's been that way since UTM first started.

art or LK is not a requirement for application. but we do require that u have the ability and interest to draw. btw, during the visit, didnt the officer point u to FAB? bcoz i could've convince u better, as i was incharge at the main exhibition for the faculty, particularly with all the sample works being exhibited.

architecture might be hard at first, but it'll get harder as u go along lol. but it's not as hard as medicine or law. so no worries.

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Hi guys, I'm currently taking Bachelor of Landscape Architecture. Want to ask a question, French and German, which language is easier and more useful in landscape architecture field? Thanks!
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do u plan to go to germany or france? coz if u're not, i would say mandarin is better.
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where and when will the interview conduct by UTM for diploma in architecture? for 2011^^

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where and when will the interview conduct by UTM for diploma in architecture? for 2011^^
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i dont know. the schedule is not out yet.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Mar 29 2011, 12:35 PM)
It seems SPM leavers are inclined to go for foundation and diploma route rather the tradional  pre-U/STPM route.  Easier route you reckon?

I'd think STPM is more intellectually challenging, having been time-tested for decades.
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I did incline myself towards Diploma as few posts ago, finally I chose STPM.
Basically I got reminded that more practices (Diploma) is always better than education (STPM) since Architecture is a skill practicing job.

Seriously when I go to bookstores these few days reading STPM references, I almost forgot my route is to be an Architect rather than Pharmacist / Doctor (I am Science stream, so yea Chemistry and so on)
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just so u know, taking UTM diploma is almost a surefire way to gain a place in UTM degree. for the past few years, the intake from UTM diploma is about 90% (between 25-30 students). the other 10% went elsewhere, usually overseas. all u need is a 3.00 minimum.

so if u're already set for an architectural degree, perhaps diploma is a good way to go. most of my colleagues' children went that way anyways. i dont think a single one of them went to STPM.

but the choice is still urs, of course.
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err . they just point me to some pamplets . so in just took them lol .

about the interview . we're required to draw isnt it ? my friend told me that . is there any other tips about what might be interviewed/asked in the interview session ? i've never been to an interview before . -___-''

im actually confused . i think im interested in architecture but i am not confident enough to study in this course . as i was studying in the science stream , none of my study involves drawing and such . and all i've ever drawn are cartoons . tongue.gif

my dad said it doesnt matter as long as i have the creativity and imagination . icon_rolleyes.gif

TQ .
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QUOTE(youhesh @ Mar 29 2011, 03:12 PM)
err . they just point me to some pamplets . so in just took them lol .

about the interview . we're required to draw isnt it ? my friend told me that . is there any other tips about what might be interviewed/asked in the interview session ? i've never been to an interview before . -___-''

im actually confused . i think im interested in architecture but i am not confident enough to study in this course . as i was studying in the science stream , none of my study involves drawing and such . and all i've ever drawn are cartoons .  tongue.gif

my dad said it doesnt matter as long as i have the creativity and imagination .  icon_rolleyes.gif

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i cant tell u more than what have already been shared. but it's good to be confident and strong, but remember not to be too cocky and arrogant.

and listen to ur dad. it doesnt matter. a lot of other people doing architecture are from science stream and did not take arts (formally) before.
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if i want to apply UTM for the diploma in architecture. what should i do in UPU forms. from resources it better to apply the university you wanted the most in the first place. and in other number like 2 to 8. you just feel where you university you like. is it true? hmm.gif
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Dear Azarimy,
Nice to meet you. May I know how to address you?
I have been reading this thread (version 2 and version 3) since last year December. Thank you for providing so many informations about architecture education.
I have applied for diploma in architecture in utm.
For spm, i got 8A+ 2A and 1B+... I wonder whether i have the chance to get into this diploma course.
Besides, may I know how to get to study in overseas university?(with scholarship) (eg, Bartlett, AA, cambridge and oxford)
Thank you.

Best Regards
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if i want to apply UTM for the diploma in architecture. what should i do in UPU forms. from resources it better to apply the university you wanted the most in the first place. and in other number like 2 to 8. you just feel where you university you like. is it true?  hmm.gif
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well, u should alternatively apply to other courses/universities that might interest u, just in case. for example, apart from diploma, u should also look for UIAM foundation (in architecture) or UiTM degree (4 years). or perhaps diploma in landscape architecture or even town planning. these certificates can eventually lead u to an architectural degree (part 2) in UTM, or even other IPTAs as well.

so better use all the choices that would lead towards an architectural degree rather than relying on one lucky try.

QUOTE(5050 @ Mar 29 2011, 04:48 PM)
Dear Azarimy,
  Nice to meet you. May I know how to address you?
  I have been reading this thread (version 2 and version 3) since last year December. Thank you for providing so many informations about architecture education.
  I have applied for diploma in architecture in utm.
  For spm, i got 8A+ 2A and 1B+... I wonder whether i have the chance to get into this diploma course.
  Besides, may I know how to get to study in overseas university?(with scholarship) (eg, Bartlett, AA, cambridge and oxford)
  Thank you.

Best Regards
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on paper, it looks good. but it will depend mostly on who u're competing with this year, and how well u do during the interviews. u must understand, amongst 5A+ students, the 6A+ wins. but he will lose out amongst the 7A+. it's a supply and demand thing. so dont assume bcoz last year a 3A student got in, u will this year, and vice versa.

in order to apply to overseas universities, u will need an A-levels or STPM. then with the results, u may apply to those universities through UCAS (UK equivalent of UPU). after receiving an offer, u can apply to any scholarships (for example JPA), and upon award, u can proceed to the school in the UK. that's more or less the gist of it.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 30 2011, 09:18 AM)
well, u should alternatively apply to other courses/universities that might interest u, just in case. for example, apart from diploma, u should also look for UIAM foundation (in architecture) or UiTM degree (4 years). or perhaps diploma in landscape architecture or even town planning. these certificates can eventually lead u to an architectural degree (part 2) in UTM, or even other IPTAs as well.

so better use all the choices that would lead towards an architectural degree rather than relying on one lucky try.
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oh, thanks 4 the info. i kind of confused which diploma courses to choose on, so i can take up degree in architecture. thumbup.gif

i hope my spm result will not stop me from getting into any university.
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Any one think about Study Architecture in Germany , it is free !!! They got a lot of Uni which is offer architecture subject with world class standard.
My wife graduated there. For those who interested to study there this Info Club will help :


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116471545034767&v=wall

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UTM diploma will be calling shortlisted candidates for the interview on 15-17 april 2011. if u're applying UTM diploma, expect the letter coming your way beginning middle of next week. if u havent received any letter by 12, give UTM (unit kemasukan dan rekod) a call.

i will be interviewing. see u there!
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hi there.
what are the differences between architecture and quantity surveying?
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hi there.
what are the differences between architecture and quantity surveying?
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Architecture - QSing

creative - non-creative
designer - accountant
drawings - figures
design & construction - costs & payments
lead role - secondary role
lead consultant - sub-consultant
artistic,intuitive - methodical, routine
greater involvement - lesser involvement
heavy responsibility/liability - lesser responsibility/liability
highly paid - no-as-highly paid (i.e. as a business)
one of the oldest professions - relatively new profession

Is the question for your own knowledge or for an assignment? wink.gif

Incidentally, do you know....
The word 'architect' is derived from the Greek word 'arkhitekton', arki - chief teckton - builder

Building projects, especially smaller ones, can be done without a Q.S.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 1 2011, 04:13 PM)
UTM diploma will be calling shortlisted candidates for the interview on 15-17 april 2011. if u're applying UTM diploma, expect the letter coming your way beginning middle of next week. if u havent received any letter by 12, give UTM (unit kemasukan dan rekod) a call.

i will be interviewing. see u there!
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Can I have the contact number?
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Apr 1 2011, 09:40 PM)
Architecture - QSing

creative - non-creative
designer - accountant
drawings - figures
design & construction - costs & payments
lead role - secondary role
lead consultant - sub-consultant
artistic,intuitive - methodical, routine
greater involvement - lesser involvement
heavy responsibility/liability - lesser responsibility/liability
highly paid - no-as-highly paid (i.e. as a business)
one of the oldest professions - relatively new profession

Is the question for your own knowledge or for an assignment?  wink.gif

Incidentally, do you know....
The word 'architect' is derived from the Greek word 'arkhitekton', arki - chief  teckton - builder

Building projects, especially smaller ones, can be done without a Q.S.
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just my own knowledge. i'm interested in doing quantity surveying.
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QUOTE(chan941001 @ Apr 1 2011, 03:53 PM)
Can I have the contact number?
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google.
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just my own knowledge. i'm interested in doing quantity surveying.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 1 2011, 05:13 PM)
UTM diploma will be calling shortlisted candidates for the interview on 15-17 april 2011. if u're applying UTM diploma, expect the letter coming your way beginning middle of next week. if u havent received any letter by 12, give UTM (unit kemasukan dan rekod) a call.

i will be interviewing. see u there!
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15-17 april 2011? so early. i only registered to english class to improve my ability to speak english well. excited rclxm9.gif plus worried sweat.gif i think. i hope i do well in the interview. a lot of things to prepare. rclxub.gif ^^
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Hey there, azarimy.

I'm interested in a degree in architecture. I'll probably be going to UTM for the degree. But before that, I might be taking STPM. So, I wanna ask...

Are there any specific subjects that I must take for Form 6 if i wish to go for the architecture degree in UTM? And, if I'm not wrong, it doesn't matter whether we're in the science or arts stream for Form 6, right?

Thanks in advance! I think, i might be asking more questions soon..XD
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QUOTE(rowreige4869 @ Apr 2 2011, 05:20 AM)
15-17 april 2011? so early. i only registered to english class to improve my ability to speak english well. excited  rclxm9.gif  plus worried  sweat.gif  i think. i hope i do well in the interview. a lot of things to prepare.  rclxub.gif  ^^
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it's for diploma intake. degree intake interviews will be sometime in may. either ways, good luck.

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Hey there, azarimy.

I'm interested in a degree in architecture. I'll probably be going to UTM for the degree. But before that, I might be taking STPM. So, I wanna ask...

Are there any specific subjects that I must take for Form 6 if i wish to go for the architecture degree in UTM? And, if I'm not wrong, it doesn't matter whether we're in the science or arts stream for Form 6, right?

Thanks in advance! I think, i might be asking more questions soon..XD
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that's correct. just take whatever subjects u wish for STPM. but that is for UTM. other universities may require specific subjects, so to increase ur options, better follow their requirements, as UTM dont require anything specific.
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It seems that my family would prefer if I go to UTM though...hehe. Say, if I'm going for the architecture degree in UTM after my Form 6... It'll be conducted in the Johor Campus, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong...

Also, do you know how is the learning and teaching environment there?

Normally, how many students will there be in a class (in UTM's Bachelor of Architecture)?

One more thing: what are the stuffs that we should prepare/brush up on if we want to take up Architecture?

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Ok so my friends confused me between professions.

Architects involved themselves on 'designing' the outer view of the building / house, isn't?
For example, the use of transparent glass / fibre wood instead of brick wall.
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But the contact number is at Skudai. Not KL campus?
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QUOTE(sakazaki4693 @ Apr 2 2011, 04:39 PM)
It seems that my family would prefer if I go to UTM though...hehe. Say, if I'm going for the architecture degree in UTM after my Form 6... It'll be conducted in the Johor Campus, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong...

Also, do you know how is the learning and teaching environment there?

Normally, how many students will there be in a class (in UTM's Bachelor of Architecture)?

One more thing: what are the stuffs that we should prepare/brush up on if we want to take up Architecture?
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yes, it will be in johor.

what would u like to know about the learning environment? i can tell u a hell lot, i request that u be specific. but one thing i can say, we here pride ourselves as the oldest architecture school in malaysia (since 1904) and have a strong tradition. now we are strongly student oriented where most of the functions in the school are organized by the students. if u want choice in education, we offer u a bunch. fancy being an environmentalist? wanna be the next radical technological designer? going down the conservationist path? we've got those choices for u.

normally, 1st year intake will be 30 in total. then we divide them into workbases (studio design units) of about 10-15 students to a tutor. class sizes depend on how many take the subjects with u. it can be as little as 5 per class (minimum) or up to 60-70 for a large lecture group.

schools usually have a package that we recommend students to buy, and they will deal with the nearest shops that offer a good price for the package. it is actually much cheaper to but those packages than to buy things individually. i know in KL there's a bunch of art shops that offer good price to students, but i'm not sure if they would give the same price to a "prospective" student wink.gif.

usually the package will cost about RM200 per student. but if u already have most of those things, perhaps it's better to bring ur own. or better yet, buy them used from ur seniors.

QUOTE(yen2009 @ Apr 3 2011, 11:35 AM)
Ok so my friends confused me between professions.

Architects involved themselves on 'designing' the outer view of the building / house, isn't?
For example, the use of transparent glass / fibre wood instead of brick wall.
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well, the architect is responsible for the WHOLE building, not just the exterior. that goes from where u put the walls and columns, straight down to where the waste from toilets flows before it goes to the septic tank/sewers. dont be confused, architects deal with a vast amount of complexity that "designing transparent walls" will be the least of ur concerns wink.gif.

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But the contact number is at Skudai. Not KL campus?
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LOL...tell me everything you know!~ ^0^

How is the learning environment in the class? Do the lecturers at UTM encourage the students to speak up and stuff? Like, students and lecturers exchanging information actively? Interactive learning? And what about assignments? Would the lecturers/tutors guide us through certain assignments? Say, can we ask for a little help from them if we came across a problem?

And what about the learning environment outside the class? Do we (students) get to go out on field trips or something similar? XD

Owh, by the way...UiTM (Shah Alam) also offers a degree course in Architecture, right? I did a little research using their website, and I came across two of them, namely, Bachelor of Science (Architecture) AP213 and Bachelor of Architecture (Hons) AP223. If I'm going to UiTM with my SPM results, then, I have to go for Bachelor of Science (Architecture) AP213 first, and then Bachelor of Architecture (Hons) AP223?


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 3 2011, 10:58 PM)

well, the architect is responsible for the WHOLE building, not just the exterior. that goes from where u put the walls and columns, straight down to where the waste from toilets flows before it goes to the septic tank/sewers. dont be confused, architects deal with a vast amount of complexity that "designing transparent walls" will be the least of ur concerns wink.gif.
Ahaha, I forgot to add 'also' in between 'Architect' and 'involved'. This claimed me a clarification to my friends. Thanks. About transparent wall, it's just an example so ignore it away.
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LOL...tell me everything you know!~ ^0^

How is the learning environment in the class?


u have to understand in architecture we dont really use classes. the studio is our primary realm, not classes. it's a bit hard to explain to the uninitiated, but suffice to say, the studio is where u study, work, play, cry, sleep and everything else. so if u ask an architecture student (or other design/art students) about classes, they might just shrug u off and say "ape kelas pegi kelas..."

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Do the lecturers at UTM encourage the students to speak up and stuff?


yes, always. this goes without saying. if u dont speak up, u will be left in the corner of the class, becoming part of the wallpaper.

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Like, students and lecturers exchanging information actively? Interactive learning?


pretty much. apart from classes and studios, we utilize facebook and online forum (tanggam.com) actively to extend contacts. most of the lecturers use facebook, and students can contact them off hours if they have a problem. most of the time, help comes from the seniors rather than lecturers. just like most educational forums.

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And what about assignments? Would the lecturers/tutors guide us through certain assignments?


well, of course. but we frown upon spoon feedings. if u expect UTM lecturers to hold ur hands, tough luck. we're gonna laugh at u instead. anak manja will not be tolerated.

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Say, can we ask for a little help from them if we came across a problem?


depends on what kind of problem. petty issues usually we just let u figure out urself. sometimes we do that with big problems as well. all to let u develop and learn to deal with things urself.

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And what about the learning environment outside the class? Do we (students) get to go out on field trips or something similar? XD


u'll go for site visits at least once per semester. there will also be student organized trips, mostly fun oriented like tioman, bali, and stuff. once a year, the school will organize trips overseas, where anyone is welcomed to join under the global outreach programme (GOP). under this programme, each student is entitled for RM1000 worth of sponsorship from UTM, eligible only once throughout their studies, with no strings attached. previous trips took us to neighbouring asian countries, hongkong, china, japan, france, italy, UK and the US. if u have the money, u can join the trip every year.

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Owh, by the way...UiTM (Shah Alam) also offers a degree course in Architecture, right? I did a little research using their website, and I came across two of them, namely, Bachelor of Science (Architecture) AP213 and Bachelor of Architecture (Hons) AP223. If I'm going to UiTM with my SPM results, then, I have to go for Bachelor of Science (Architecture) AP213 first, and then Bachelor of Architecture (Hons) AP223?
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u will have to join BSc architecture AP213 first. that's ur LAM part 1. the BArch (Hons) is for part 2.


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interesting update:

UTM is starting the 3+2 programme and going discontinue the 5 year programme beginning sept 2011. meaning no more 5 year degree (part 1 and 2) being offered, and we're going for the international standard format. if u're applying 1st year degree (from STPM), UPU will list it as 5 year, but in actual fact it will be 3 years BSc Architecture (part 1 only).

the advantage is, the part 2 (2 years) will be a masters degree (MArch), similar to the australian format. UiTM is the only other IPTA in malaysia offering masters part 2, also will begin this sept.

this is still pending confirmation from the ministry, but it all looks good to go.

(i will update the diagram on 1st page soon).

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in the diploma program for architecture for UTM, how many will be selected? and what about UiTM?

in UiTM, are any different between Bachelor of Science (Architecture) AP213 and Bachelor of Architecture (Hons) AP223
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in the diploma program for architecture for UTM, how many will be selected? and what about UiTM?

in UiTM, are any different between Bachelor of Science (Architecture) AP213 and Bachelor of Architecture (Hons) AP223
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UTM diploma will select 30 students (over 2000 applicants). not sure about UiTM.

the BSc Arch is for part 1, while BArch is for part 2. u cant take part 2 before having completed part 1 successfully.

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30 from 2000? a fierce competition i guess.

azarimy, i been wondering about your signature i think. the photo of a soldier and tank. which have ps3 on it too. is this the game you always play?

pretty interesting to me. i'm a game lover. haha. but prefer red alert game and dota.

strategies test your ability to think and win. hoho
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yes, i kill people on daily basis.
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Asking some preparation questions here:
1) Is the interview also organized at East Malaysia?
2) What if I failed to attend on the exact days / dates of the interview? Any single interview rescheduled?
3) By there any chance Pos Laju or whatever mail delivery service is late? Like I received the mail on 23rd but the interview is on 24th... (Or email is used instead?) East Malaysian here.

*Just noticed updated LAM website about recognized IPT that UTM is having expired accreditation. *

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you might be a scary person.  shocking.gif  sweat.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Apr 5 2011, 11:04 AM)
Asking some preparation questions here:
1) Is the interview also organized at East Malaysia?
2) What if I failed to attend on the exact days / dates of the interview? Any single interview rescheduled?
3) By there any chance Pos Laju or whatever mail delivery service is late? Like I received the mail on 23rd but the interview is on 24th... (Or email is used instead?) East Malaysian here.

*Just noticed updated LAM website about recognized IPT that UTM is having expired accreditation. *
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1. i'm not sure about diploma interviews as i'm only involved in KL, but for degree, it will only be in KL and skudai. we only conduct interviews in east malaysia if there's a significant amount of candidates applying from there in a particular year. this year, apparently there's not much.

2. u can rearrange to a different day, but must be within the interview duration. interview sessions usually run for 2-3 days, so u could reschedule on any of those days. alternatively, u could also reschedule at a different location (switching from KL to JB). but again, it depends on the interview sessions. u cannot reschedule to a time or place that's not within/part of the interview session.

3. if u're from east malaysia, CALL US. why wait for letters or emails?

4. accreditation expires automatically every 5 years, and have to be renewed. UTM's accreditation visit is 11 may (next month).
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No, East Malaysians like Civil Engineering terribly. 85% of my class took it, and let me see... 70% of my friends who I know their career took Civil as well.

Within the days period sounds terrible if I failed to book the plane ticket.
Normally how many days (Or weeks, by any chance of 1 month?) ranged from the interview days will the exact interview date be settle down?

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interesting update:

UTM is starting the 3+2 programme and going discontinue the 5 year programme beginning sept 2011. meaning no more 5 year degree (part 1 and 2) being offered, and we're going for the international standard format. if u're applying 1st year degree (from STPM), UPU will list it as 5 year, but in actual fact it will be 3 years BSc Architecture (part 1 only).

the advantage is, the part 2 (2 years) will be a masters degree (MArch), similar to the australian format. UiTM is the only other IPTA in malaysia offering masters part 2, also will begin this sept.

this is still pending confirmation from the ministry, but it all looks good to go.

(i will update the diagram on 1st page soon).
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This is an exciting news! rclxms.gif
I hope the confirmation will arrive soon.

By the way, between diploma of arch in utm and stpm, which one has the priority to enter the 1st year degree in UTM?
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Apr 5 2011, 02:10 PM)
No, East Malaysians like Civil Engineering terribly. 85% of my class took it, and let me see... 70% of my friends who I know their career took Civil as well.

Within the days period sounds terrible if I failed to book the plane ticket.
Normally how many days (Or weeks, by any chance of 1 month?) ranged from the interview days will the exact interview date be settle down?
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the exact interview dates have already been set. diploma will be interviewing on 15-17 april, while degree will be 27 and 28 april.

QUOTE(5050 @ Apr 5 2011, 05:08 PM)
This is an exciting news!  rclxms.gif
I hope the confirmation will arrive soon.

By the way, between diploma of arch in utm and stpm, which one has the priority to enter the 1st year degree in UTM?
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UTM diploma have NO priority to enter 1st year degree in UTM degree.

they join 3rd year straight wink.gif.
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Oh i see, I thought diploma student have to apply though upu again to get into degree course.
Thank you so much.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 6 2011, 07:50 AM)
the exact interview dates have already been set. diploma will be interviewing on 15-17 april, while degree will be 27 and 28 april.
UTM diploma have NO priority to enter 1st year degree in UTM degree.

they join 3rd year straight wink.gif.
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WAH DEGREE WILL BE ON 27TH AND 29TH APRIL
DOES MEAN IT INCLUDES OF THOSE APPLY THROUGH UPU UNDER THE CATEGORY OF DIPLOMA SETARAF ?

GONNA PREPARE MY PORTFOLIO THEN ..
STILL 0% IN PROGRESS...
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Em just wondering, this thing just happened to a friend of mine and I don't know what to say to him. The situation was

this 'Abu' (not his real name) guy is my friend while 'Bobo' is his classmate.

Abu designed something for his final project and had a firm concept since the inception of the project.

Half way thru the semester Bobo steals 100% of Abu's idea and concept and the lecturers knows about it.

During the presentation, lecturers gave over 9000% credits to Bobo for the stolen concept, while Abu got shot in the head for the same concept and failed the subject. Abu even asked the lecturers whether they realized that that is his original idea and Bobo had stolen it from him, and the lecturers said yes, they knew it all along.

Other facts:

1. They both studied in a private college.

2. They both have no other discipline problem or what so ever, attended all the classes and completes all their works.

3. For the project, both have like 99% similarities in terms of building form and 100% same in the concept.

4. Complained to the management but they just don't give a shit

5. Other lecturers doesn't want to get involved.



So what are other things that he can do? Obviously something is wrong there. He really need help because to repeat the subject needs a hell lot of money.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 6 2011, 07:50 AM)
the exact interview dates have already been set. diploma will be interviewing on 15-17 april, while degree will be 27 and 28 april.
I am not taking this year, just eager to know the normal duration in between the exact dates and announcement of the dates so that I could fly with Air Asia to attend interview punctually on 2 years later.
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WAH DEGREE WILL BE ON 27TH AND 29TH APRIL
DOES MEAN IT INCLUDES OF THOSE APPLY THROUGH UPU UNDER THE CATEGORY OF DIPLOMA SETARAF ?

GONNA PREPARE MY PORTFOLIO THEN ..
STILL 0% IN PROGRESS...
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i'm not sure about intakes from diploma. i'm only involved in SPM and STPM intakes. will ask around. stay tuned.

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Em just wondering, this thing just happened to a friend of mine and I don't know what to say to him. The situation was

this 'Abu' (not his real name) guy is my friend while 'Bobo' is his classmate.

Abu designed something for his final project and had a firm concept since the inception of the project.

Half way thru the semester Bobo steals 100% of Abu's idea and concept and the lecturers knows about it.

During the presentation, lecturers gave over 9000% credits to Bobo for the stolen concept, while Abu got shot in the head for the same concept and failed the subject. Abu even asked the lecturers whether they realized that that is his original idea and Bobo had stolen it from him, and the lecturers said yes, they knew it all along.

Other facts:

1. They both studied in a private college.

2. They both have no other discipline problem or what so ever, attended all the classes and completes all their works.

3. For the project, both have like 99% similarities in terms of building form and 100% same in the concept.

4. Complained to the management but they just don't give a shit

5. Other lecturers doesn't want to get involved.
So what are other things that he can do? Obviously something is wrong there. He really need help because to repeat the subject needs a hell lot of money.
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if abu could produce evidence of originality/ownership, then he can lodge a report of plagiarism against bobo. if the school fails to take action without due justification, abu can sue the school.

but then again, there is very little originality in architecture. even established architects copy from one another. but what's important is acknowledging ur sources. if u dont, then that's plagiarism, and there's only one punishment for it: buang sekolah.

QUOTE(yen2009 @ Apr 6 2011, 12:33 PM)
I am not taking this year, just eager to know the normal duration in between the exact dates and announcement of the dates so that I could fly with Air Asia to attend interview punctually on 2 years later.
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usually a week.
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usually a week.
You pounded my heart strongly with these 3 words.


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You pounded my heart strongly with these 3 words.
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i understand perfectly. these dates are set by UPU, not us. they usually inform us about 10-14 days before the actual interview.
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QUOTE(Bonetoad @ Apr 6 2011, 08:05 PM)
Em just wondering, this thing just happened to a friend of mine and I don't know what to say to him. The situation was

this 'Abu' (not his real name) guy is my friend while 'Bobo' is his classmate.

Abu designed something for his final project and had a firm concept since the inception of the project.

Half way thru the semester Bobo steals 100% of Abu's idea and concept and the lecturers knows about it.

During the presentation, lecturers gave over 9000% credits to Bobo for the stolen concept, while Abu got shot in the head for the same concept and failed the subject. Abu even asked the lecturers whether they realized that that is his original idea and Bobo had stolen it from him, and the lecturers said yes, they knew it all along.

Other facts:

1. They both studied in a private college.

2. They both have no other discipline problem or what so ever, attended all the classes and completes all their works.

3. For the project, both have like 99% similarities in terms of building form and 100% same in the concept.

4. Complained to the management but they just don't give a shit

5. Other lecturers doesn't want to get involved.
So what are other things that he can do? Obviously something is wrong there. He really need help because to repeat the subject needs a hell lot of money.
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This is sad.
I plan to do architecture in the future. May I know how to prevent this thing from happenning?

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 6 2011, 09:50 PM)
i'm not sure about intakes from diploma. i'm only involved in SPM and STPM intakes. will ask around. stay tuned.
if abu could produce evidence of originality/ownership, then he can lodge a report of plagiarism against bobo. if the school fails to take action without due justification, abu can sue the school.

but then again, there is very little originality in architecture. even established architects copy from one another. but what's important is acknowledging ur sources. if u dont, then that's plagiarism, and there's only one punishment for it: buang sekolah.
usually a week.
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That's the thing, one passes with flying colors while the other failed the subject. Repeating the subject will cost him more than 2k. Told him to sue the college, but he said there's too much hassle involved, plus even if he had successfully sued the school, it'll be a tough ride from there onwards as all the admins and lecturers will be keeping an eye on him. So he decided to quit and change school, but one more problem arises. The school won't let him bring back all his works. They said it's school property. How true is this? For companies, yes, but for school? He needs his works to apply for credit transfer as requested by other schools.

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QUOTE(Bonetoad @ Apr 8 2011, 12:22 PM)
That's the thing, one passes with flying colors while the other failed the subject. Repeating the subject will cost him more than 2k. Told him to sue the college, but he said there's too much hassle involved, plus even if he had successfully sued the school, it'll be a tough ride from there onwards as all the admins and lecturers will be keeping an eye on him. So he decided to quit and change school, but one more problem arises. The school won't let him bring back all his works. They said it's school property. How true is this? For companies, yes, but for school? He needs his works to apply for credit transfer as requested by other schools.
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all works produced towards getting a diploma/degree belongs to the school. but the intellectual property belongs to the student. this is the official standing for ALL design schools all over the world. next time read the fine print before signing.

then again, no school in the world requires original work when applying. it's enough to send them a copy or preview of the work. like UTM, we only wanna see some A3s of the works produced, not the entire scheme (10-20 sheets of A1). some dont even ask for it. so what's the big deal?

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 9 2011, 12:34 PM)
all works produced towards getting a diploma/degree belongs to the school. but the intellectual property belongs to the student. this is the official standing for ALL design schools all over the world. next time read the fine print before signing.

then again, no school in the world requires original work when applying. it's enough to send them a copy or preview of the work. like UTM, we only wanna see some A3s of the works produced, not the entire scheme (10-20 sheets of A1). some dont even ask for it. so what's the big deal?
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The school won't even let him take pictures of his works. They are done manually not digital. While the school he's applying requires the original works because they scared MQA or something like that does not recognized his syllabus. This is what he told me. Anyway, thanks a lot for the replies. He somehow settled it already.

Off topic: Today marks 2 years of my working life in this field ^^ and more than 3 years surfing this thread biggrin.gif
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The school won't even let him take pictures of his works. They are done manually not digital. While the school he's applying requires the original works because they scared MQA or something like that does not recognized his syllabus. This is what he told me. Anyway, thanks a lot for the replies. He somehow settled it already.

Off topic: Today marks 2 years of my working life in this field ^^ and more than 3 years surfing this thread biggrin.gif
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MQA do not check the individual students intake. ur friend will be going a credit transfer process, which will be dealt with as case by case basis. as long as it is done via proper means, then there's no reason why the new school needs original works.

as for the old school, they have ownership of the works produced, but do not have exclusive rights to the intellectual properties. meaning, if ur friend or any of u want to use the works to promote himself, the school have no legal rights to prevent him from doing so.

i think ur friend is being a typical malaysian student, too scared to go against the establishment and prefer to swallow things whole. and i think the school is dancing for this fact. tell ur friend to grow a backbone and fight for his right.

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hi..need opinion here...

i'm not good in science subjects but i like drawing..

This course is suitable for me? icon_question.gif
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hi..need opinion here...

i'm not good in science subjects but i like drawing..

This course is suitable for me? icon_question.gif
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u gonna have to give us a little bit more than that. science subjects are no more than a requirement for intake. all the science u need will be taught during the course. but u gonna need a good command of maths and logics.
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u gonna have to give us a little bit more than that. science subjects are no more than a requirement for intake. all the science u need will be taught during the course. but u gonna need a good command of maths and logics.
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okay..i gt A for maths but C+ for physics, bio, chemistry sad.gif

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okay..i gt A for maths but C+ for physics, bio, chemistry sad.gif

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okay..i gt A for maths but C+ for physics, bio, chemistry sad.gif

Is architecture hard to learn?
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erm, i want to ask tht whether architecture course in Australia also 5yrs? coz i'm afraid tht jpa interviewers might ask me info's regarding arch course at Aus
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erm, i want to ask tht whether architecture course in Australia also 5yrs? coz i'm afraid tht jpa interviewers might ask me info's regarding arch course at Aus
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okay..i gt A for maths but C+ for physics, bio, chemistry sad.gif

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yes to get in...but then you must know how to apply those subject in design...usually in archiscience, structure and enviro subject...

not hard to learn..but really hard to apply the knowledge..to create architecture cuz you dealing with perspectives of different clients and lecturers all have a wide experiences and they all have their own school of thought ..architecture is not just simply wall and roof...it much more than that...

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Hi,azarimy, if i take foundation course , can i get into IPTA to continue my degree?
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hi, thx, is that meaning that i can only enter those IPTA which provide d foundation course in order to continue my degree in IPTA?
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hi, thx, is that meaning that i can only enter those IPTA which provide d foundation course in order to continue my degree in IPTA?
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is that easy to get my 1st choice if i enter Form 6? many seniors told me that it's veri hard to get 1st choice
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i. if u take foundation, then it is only valid for application into 1st year degree of the university that offers the foundation. for example, if u take UIAM foundation in built environment, then u can only use it to join UIAM. other IPTAs will not recognize it.

ii. STPM is still the best bet. UTM for example will be prioritizing STPM leavers over matrics (regardless what the ministry says) bcoz we have solid evidence that matrics students lack maturity and motivation needed to excel in architecture.

we get around the ruling set by the ministry by conducting interviews. where we get the final say of who's fit and who's not for our course. which is the same reason UM, a school that did not conduct interviews in the past, started to do so recently. and i believe the trend is catching on.
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ii. STPM is still the best bet. UTM for example will be prioritizing STPM leavers over matrics (regardless what the ministry says) bcoz we have solid evidence that matrics students lack maturity and motivation needed to excel in architecture.

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The reason why matrics came into being - it's meant to be an easier route for a privileged group to gain entry into the IPTA's. If not, why have a separate examination based on an easier 1-year course compared to more difficult 2-yr course (STPM)?

I can't imagine it would happen though -STPM leavers getting priority over matrics. This would invariably change the racial composition of the students, which would be against the gomen policy. Don't think KPTM would not allow this!
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Selection based on merit is a universal principle and  should be the way. It is the way to achieving excellence. But you and I know that the practice in Bolehland is otherwise. It's laudable if that is the approach taken by the UTM.

The reason why matrics came into being - it's meant to be an easier route for a privileged group to gain entry into the IPTA's. If not, why have  a separate examination based on an easier 1-year course compared to more difficult 2-yr course (STPM)?

I can't imagine it would happen though -STPM leavers getting priority over matrics. This would invariably change the racial composition of the students, which would be against the gomen policy. Don't think KPTM would not allow this!
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we understand the matter fully. as it has been since 2001, our intake have been 50% STPM 50% matrics. which means about half would be bumi. then on upper years, diploma students would join, which mostly from poly whom are primarily bumi. then the numbers distort again to what MoHE would like to see.

so for now, it's safe for us to practice what we want. in fact, we could take 100% STPM if need be and there's nothing MoHE can do about it. it's within our right as a school to use the filtering tool - the interviews.
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hi mr azarimy
any news for diploma intake interview date ?
form upu website, they stated that the semakan for interview status will be opened on 25th april, in this case, is going to be very rush for me ..

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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Apr 11 2011, 03:23 AM)
hi mr azarimy
any news for diploma intake interview date ?
form upu website, they stated that the semakan for interview status will be opened on  25th april, in this case, is going to be very rush for me ..

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'Semakan panggilan Temu Duga (Bukan Pendidikan) boleh dibuat mulai 22 - 24 April 2011 melalui kaedah berikut'

sorry the interview will be available from 25th of april.


Added on April 11, 2011, 11:53 amone more question mr azarimy,
as u mentioned above, since the utm is offering 3+2 scheme, does it means all the part 1 grad from utm itself need to go through another interview like what other universities for part 2 entry ?

tq

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erm, how to define deconstructivism in architecture?
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is that easy to get my 1st choice if i enter Form 6? many seniors told me that it's veri hard to get 1st choice
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I'm stpm leaver andI got my 1st choice... in USM for architecture..

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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Apr 11 2011, 03:50 AM)
'Semakan panggilan Temu Duga (Bukan Pendidikan) boleh dibuat mulai 22 - 24 April 2011 melalui kaedah berikut'

sorry the interview will be available from 25th of april.


Added on April 11, 2011, 11:53 amone more question mr azarimy,
as u mentioned above, since the utm is offering 3+2 scheme, does it means all the part 1 grad from utm itself need to go through another interview like what other universities for part 2 entry ?

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let me rephrase my earlier statement.

UTM is conducting its interview for diploma intake 15-17 April 2011. i will be part of the interview committee.

if u insist to check after 22 April, be my guest. but it'll be too late. perhaps the dates are for degree intake? because degree intake will be interviewing on 29 april.


and yes, all the part 1 grad (regardless from UTM or not) must go through another interview to join part 2.

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erm, how to define deconstructivism in architecture?
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hi azarimy, why in sudden UTM is unaccredited Uni for architecture ? >.<
UTM is my 1st choice as i submit my STPM course choices edi...

erm i now in process preparing my portfolio
the portfolio can take back after interview ? or gv to interviewer ? 0.o
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deconstructivism is from a french philosopher jacques derrida isnt it? oo those designs have anything to do wif the works? okok i'll check it later
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hi azarimy, why in sudden UTM is unaccredited Uni for architecture ? >.<
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erm i now in process preparing my portfolio
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4. accreditation expires automatically every 5 years, and have to be renewed. UTM's accreditation visit is 11 may (next month).
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hi azarimy, why in sudden UTM is unaccredited Uni for architecture ? >.<
UTM is my 1st choice as i submit my STPM course choices edi...

erm i now in process preparing my portfolio
the portfolio can take back after interview ? or gv to interviewer ? 0.o
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as hikari have shown.

and it's not suddenly. usually accreditation process takes place before it expires. but due to some problems, we had to postpone it by 6 months. the problem mainly due to the switch between the 5 year to 3+2 format. so most of the school are busy pushing for the new masters programme to start this year and had no time to prepare for the accreditation last year. u have nothing to worry about as it wont affect u. accreditation only matters upon graduation, not upon intake.

about portfolio, it's yours to take home. we have no facilities to keep it. but if u have copies of ur best works, it would be best. later during the shortlisting process, a sample of ur work can be a tie-breaker, as compared to not having a sample wink.gif. get a colour copy if u can, it's cheap nowadays.
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finally got the interview. i will use all info i get. check on this web to find if you are accepted.

http://eputra.com/semakan-keputusan-permoh...kemasukan-2011/

dear azarimy, i check it online. if brought the one that i printed directly from internet. are it accepted?

for your information, i don't receive yet the letter.

feel happy and excited. a little tense i guess.hoho^^P

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finally got the interview. i will use all info i get. check on this web to find if you are accepted.

http://eputra.com/semakan-keputusan-permoh...kemasukan-2011/

dear azarimy, i check it online. if brought the one that i printed directly from internet. are it accepted?

for your information, i don't receive yet the letter.

feel happy and excited. a little tense i guess.hoho^^P
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Yeah! :hyper: I got the chance to go through interview for UTM!!!
I will definitely try my best!
Here's a question...In the letter, they ask us to bring 1 drawing which must be certified by the school authority. How about the port folio, does it mean that every single drawing have to be certified too?
And......I prefer wearing pants than dress, it is ok for the interview?
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Yeah!  rclxm9.gif I got the chance to go through interview for UTM!!!
I will definitely try my best!
Here's a question...In the letter, they ask us to bring 1 drawing which must be certified by the school authority. How about the port folio, does it mean that every single drawing have to be certified too?
And......I prefer wearing pants than dress, it is ok for the interview?
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preferably, all drawings should be certified. but if u cant (some drawings are just too precious to be defiled by a school stamp), just make sure at least one is.

and btw, tank tops with hot pants always work for me tongue.gif. u may wear anything u wish. just be stylish and outstanding. no shoulder pads please.
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Hi,

i cannot see ur full diagram of the [4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture] picture. can u fix it ?

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Hi azarimy, i am going to study dip in technology(building) soon at tarc. is that possible to get in degree in architecture after i finish my diploma?
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Hi,

i cannot see ur full diagram of the [4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture] picture. can u fix it ?
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try it again now.

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Hi azarimy, i am going to study dip in technology(building) soon at tarc. is that possible to get in degree in architecture after i finish my diploma?
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u mean can u study for ur degree after ur diploma? sure. refer to diagram 4.0 in the first post.
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Im not shortlisted for the interview at UTM  cry.gif
i got 5A+ 4A 1A- for spm 2010, awwwww.. sadness
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i'm so sorry for you. no matter, look into other schools or go for STPM if u're interested in architecture.
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Is there any news about completing Part 1 in UTM KL, i.e continuing from Diploma?
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Is there any news about completing Part 1 in UTM KL, i.e continuing from Diploma?
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doing part 1 in UTM KL? no, there's never any news or will there ever be wink.gif.

LAM standardized that all part 1 should be 4 years after diploma or 3 years after STPM (equiv). since nobody's gonna take a 4 year diploma, then most schools offer the degree option instead. and UTM is only offering degrees in skudai campus.
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help..im in dilemma..i gt offered diploma in architecture by kliuc..

but i dont' know want to go or not when u guys said this course is hard.. icon_question.gif
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help..im in dilemma..i gt offered diploma in architecture by kliuc..

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to learn.any course oso hard wat..
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hard to posses oni.

to learn.any course oso hard wat..
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can tell more about this course? let's say in one year, how many students fail and how many students pass?

how's the life of an archy student? busy? antisocial? how about after grad, can easily find job?

p.s:any1 here from kliuc?
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I wanna ask what is the requirements for part 2 March in utm if we hav part 1 accredited from other public unis? i mean what will utm take into consideration mainly, the overall part 1 cgpa, design gred, portfolio or based on interview?
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I wanna ask what is the requirements for part 2 March in utm if we hav part 1 accredited from other public unis? i mean what will utm take into consideration mainly, the overall part 1 cgpa, design gred, portfolio or based on interview?
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all of those, actually.

first we will check CGPA, then design grades. then we will call for interview, where we will check on ur portfolio.


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can tell more about this course? let's say in one year, how many students fail and how many students pass?

how's the life of an archy student? busy? antisocial? how about after grad, can easily find job?

p.s:any1 here from kliuc?
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every year, about 10% would fail. sometimes the number can go as high as 50%, sometimes everybody passed.

architecture students are extremely social. they just dont usually socialize with others outside their groups because most of the time they're misunderstood. so it's easier to just avoid them altogether.




btw, just finished interviewing the morning group. not very impressed. hopefully those in the afternoon or tomorrow would fare better.

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try it again now.
u mean can u study for ur degree after ur diploma? sure. refer to diagram 4.0 in the first post.
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it is not diploma in architecture but diploma in technology(building) .some people say that can be only continue degree at quantity surveying or engineering but architecture .quite sad to heard that.mr azarimy, is that true?
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halo, azarimy~
may i knw wat should i bring or prepare for interview?
my portfolio should be in soft copy or hard copy?
btw, im student from polytechnic~


Added on April 15, 2011, 1:28 pmya, 1 more question is there UTM offer part time degree studies in architecture?
and when the course start normally? course duration? and hw can i apply it? mean wat procedure should i prepare/do?
ty~

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all of those, actually.

first we will check CGPA, then design grades. then we will call for interview, where we will check on ur portfolio.

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may i know the minimum cgpa and design grade for part 2?
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QUOTE(rayno @ Apr 15 2011, 01:01 PM)
halo, azarimy~
may i knw wat should i bring or prepare for interview?
my portfolio should be in soft copy or hard copy?
btw, im student from polytechnic~


Added on April 15, 2011, 1:28 pmya, 1 more question is there UTM offer part time degree studies in architecture?
and when the course start normally? course duration?  and hw can i apply it? mean wat procedure should i prepare/do?
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hi, i think i can help up with this

UTM, kl aka space utm is offering part time course for architecture

check out the website here, the registration is open up now.

http://www.utmspace.edu.my/portal/Permohon...x?contain=iklan


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one and half day left i think, before the starting of my interview.

feeling nervous but quite happy. coz a lot of preparation have been done.

pray for me all. i hope things go smoothly^^

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QUOTE(yoong_921230 @ Apr 15 2011, 04:59 AM)
it is not diploma in architecture but diploma in technology(building) .some people say that can be only continue degree at quantity surveying or engineering but architecture .quite sad to heard that.mr azarimy, is that true?
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u have to check on that diploma's syllabus/curriculum. in our industry, certificates in building usually refers to construction (as in to become a builder or building contractors), not architecture. architecture courses must have the word "architecture" in it.

QUOTE(rayno @ Apr 15 2011, 05:01 AM)
halo, azarimy~
may i knw wat should i bring or prepare for interview?
my portfolio should be in soft copy or hard copy?
btw, im student from polytechnic~


Added on April 15, 2011, 1:28 pmya, 1 more question is there UTM offer part time degree studies in architecture?
and when the course start normally? course duration?  and hw can i apply it? mean wat procedure should i prepare/do?
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details on the interviews are on the first page. read the FAQs.

and refer to kuanming86's links for UTM SPACE.

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may i know the minimum cgpa and design grade for part 2?
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3.00cgpa. design grades should be B and above.




after a whole day session of interviewing students, i have to say i'm a bit disappointed. with about 4.5k applying diploma of architecture in UTM, and after shortlisting 150 students, u'd expect to see cream of the cream. but it's far from that. there are a few gems, no doubt. but why come to the interviews if u cant even speak a word of english? this is architecture, and we teach 95% in english! how do u expect to do well if u dont even understand what i said? what a waste of time!

anyways, i saw a few of u who contacted me here. i dont know if u know who i am tongue.gif.

and finally, favourite question asked by students at the end of each interview:

"are you all lecturers?"

YES WE ARE. haha. only fulltime lecturers (with masters and above) are allowed to interview. one guy thought i was a clerk or something lol.
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btw, just finished interviewing the morning group. not very impressed. hopefully those in the afternoon or tomorrow would fare better.
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how about today interview? are there anyone who spark your interest?

i hope we can meet dear azarimy. not the little one(facebook profile picture) hee tongue.gif


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anyways, i saw a few of u who contacted me here. i dont know if u know who i am tongue.gif.

and finally, favourite question asked by students at the end of each interview:

"are you all lecturers?"

YES WE ARE. haha. only fulltime lecturers (with masters and above) are allowed to interview. one guy thought i was a clerk or something lol.
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clerk? haha. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(rowreige4869 @ Apr 15 2011, 01:19 PM)
how about today interview? are there anyone who spark your interest?

i hope we can meet dear azarimy. not the little one(facebook profile picture) hee  tongue.gif


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hihihi. i'm sure they all very nervous. me too  sweat.gif

clerk? haha.  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 15 2011, 09:36 PM)
do well in the interview, then the diploma, and u'll see me in 3 years time.
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wah version 3 already,its been awhile since i visited this thread.

thumbs up to you guys thumbup.gif

still remember my freshie days back then when i stumble across this thread before entering architecture.haha
anyone got interview from utmkl?pass by the hall this morning saw a few fresh face all smart with tie and all.

btw i would like to invite you guys to come visit our 10th portfolio review exhibition on this 12-15 may smile.gif

There will be an exhibition of our work for this semester,projects and models if you are free do stop by at our studio alam bina,utm international campus jalan semarak.bring along family and friends.here u can see some of our work and what we do as an architecture student.thank you smile.gif

10th UTMKL ARCHITECTURAL PORTFOLIO REVIEW:WARNANYA

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3.00cgpa. design grades should be B and above.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 15 2011, 09:16 PM)

anyways, i saw a few of u who contacted me here. i dont know if u know who i am :P.

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I'm in the afternoon session yesterday.
I guess you are the one who gave the short briefing at the beginning, sat in the middle (during interview)......
Am I right?
Please forgive me if I'm wrong. Haha~
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QUOTE(5050 @ Apr 16 2011, 03:47 AM)
I'm in the afternoon session yesterday.
I guess you are the one who gave the short briefing at the beginning, sat in the middle (during interview)......
Am I right?
Please forgive me if I'm wrong. Haha~
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QUOTE(5050 @ Apr 16 2011, 03:47 AM)
I'm in the afternoon session yesterday.
I guess you are the one who gave the short briefing at the beginning, sat in the middle (during interview)......
Am I right?
Please forgive me if I'm wrong. Haha~
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Hi i got some question to ask..

Utar and kliuc, do they recognize by LAM?
Can continue part 2 in these 2 college ?
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QUOTE(SoyaBamboo @ Apr 16 2011, 05:28 AM)
Hi i got some question to ask..

Utar and kliuc, do they recognize by LAM?
Can continue part 2 in these 2 college ?
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neither is accredited by LAM.

the only IPTS offering part 2 equivalent degree is LUCT.


Added on April 16, 2011, 10:52 pmi'm disappointed with the interviews. although some candidates excel in all aspects (grades, koku, drawing/aptitude test, artistic skills and the face-to-face interviews), generally a lot of them were totally unprepared. they cant speak, let alone present themselves properly.

honestly, if u're not prepared, never researched about architecture, dont know why UTM is ur 1st choice, hardly ever asked anyone about the profession or dont even have a proper plan after diploma, dont bother coming for the interview!!! let others who're really interested, have researched thoroughly about the course, know what UTM is looking for and even have joined a firm as a clerk just to get a taste of the architecture world!

god i'm pissed.

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Quality of our education going down the tubes...
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it just a matter of finding the pearl. our standards are high this year. 4500 candidates, 30 places wink.gif.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 17 2011, 10:27 AM)
nah, i still have faith.

it just a matter of finding the pearl. our standards are high this year. 4500 candidates, 30 places wink.gif.
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QUOTE(rowreige4869 @ Apr 15 2011, 01:08 PM)
one and half day left i think, before the starting of my interview.

feeling nervous but quite happy. coz a lot of preparation have been done.

pray for me all. i hope things go smoothly^^ 

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woah .

so lucky , one of my friend went for the interview . but too bad the interview didnt go as smooth as he hoped . he was not entirely prepared .

he mentioned that one of the interviewers was a foreign lecturer . and he cant keep up with the lecturer's english . lol . he didnt even know that the interview's gonna be in english . and he didnt know about buildings . -___-''

its also his fault , didnt search for information before attending the interview . just simply attend like that lol .

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i can confirm now that our interview is way harder than JPAs. so if u prepare 7 days before JPA interview, u should prepare 7 weeks for UTM's biggrin.gif.
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halo there, may i knw wat is the different between bachelor of science in architecture ( Honours ) and bachelor of art in architecture (Honours)?
and Honours means?
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halo there, may i knw wat is the different between bachelor of science in architecture ( Honours ) and bachelor of art in architecture (Honours)?
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There is no difference. Some also call it B. Building Sc. or B Env. Sc. Some are equvalent to Part I, others are not accredited.

It is B. Arch (or, in some unis, they call it M. Arch now) that matters. You cannot be an architect with a BA or BSc, it's just an intermediate degree halfway through the B.Arch. course, which you can't do much with (half-baked architect if you like).
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I checked through the education fee through http://www.utmspace.edu.my/portal/permohonan/pdf/yuran.pdf.

So is there any campus over East Malaysia? Cause I saw Pusat Pembelajaran Msia Timur with higher education cost or does that mean the education fee for East Malaysian?

Are the costs Per annum or total course for Bachelor position?

Architecture is SBS right?

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I checked through the education fee through http://www.utmspace.edu.my/portal/permohonan/pdf/yuran.pdf.

So is there any campus over East Malaysia? Cause I saw Pusat Pembelajaran Msia Timur with higher education cost or does that mean the education fee for East Malaysian?

Are the costs Per annum or total course for Bachelor position?

Architecture is SBS right?
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no, there's no UTM campus in east malaysia. just centers where people gather during the classes, that's all. if the east malaysian wanna fly over every weekend to semenanjung, then u can pay the UTM or Luar UTM fees wink.gif. the extra cost is just to cover the costs of flying the lecturers over to you.

and yes, all UTM SPACE programme are taught by actual UTM lecturers in that particular field. we dont employ outsiders to teach for us. we have franchise programmes for that wink.gif.

for architecture, i dont think they're offering in east malaysia yet.

the cost is the total for the entire bachelor degree.
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From which university?
There is no difference. Some also call it B. Building Sc. or B Env. Sc. Some are equvalent to Part I, others are not accredited.

It is B. Arch (or, in some unis, they call it M. Arch now) that matters. You cannot be an architect with a BA or BSc, it's just an intermediate degree halfway through the B.Arch. course, which you can't do much with (half-baked architect if you like).
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wat about taylor/UCSI uni? i mean if i finish the degree course in tat uni, can i bcum an architect in malaysia? wat about if i register for PART II exam individually after finish tat degree course? n wat procedure should i need to do?


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no, there's no UTM campus in east malaysia. just centers where people gather during the classes, that's all. if the east malaysian wanna fly over every weekend to semenanjung, then u can pay the UTM or Luar UTM fees wink.gif. the extra cost is just to cover the costs of flying the lecturers over to you.

and yes, all UTM SPACE programme are taught by actual UTM lecturers in that particular field. we dont employ outsiders to teach for us. we have franchise programmes for that wink.gif.

for architecture, i dont think they're offering in east malaysia yet.

the cost is the total for the entire bachelor degree.
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so, hw long the part time degree in architecture studies should be go normally? can i make an exception if im from diploma holder?
1 more thing is, is tat the part time architecture studies oni available in KL right? jz wanna make sure it~


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wat about taylor/UCSI uni? i mean if i finish the degree course in tat uni, can i bcum an architect in malaysia? wat about if i register for PART II exam individually after finish tat degree course? n wat procedure should i need to do?


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so, hw long the part time degree in architecture studies should be go normally? can i make an exception if im from diploma holder?
1 more thing is, is tat the part time architecture studies oni available in KL right? jz wanna make sure it~
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i suggest u go refer to the 1st post first.

u cant take the part 2 exam if u dont have a part 2 equivalent degree.

architecture normally takes at least 5 years after STPM, or 6 years after SPM.

if u hold a diploma in architecture, u may get an exemption of 1 year off the part 1 degree.

UTM SPACE is being offered both in KL and skudai.
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wat about taylor/UCSI uni? i mean if i finish the degree course in tat uni, can i bcum an architect in malaysia? wat about if i register for PART II exam individually after finish tat degree course? n wat procedure should i need to do?
Your question is answered if you read page 1 of this thread - route to becoming an architect.

It seems there are a lot of students who enrol in the IPTS's without knowing what they are getting into, which is really surprising. For all the money the parents spend on their education, the students are not aware of their future.
The truth is that you are still a long way from becoming an architect after completing the B.Sc in Architecture in the IPTS like Taylor's or UCSI. The IPTS would not highlight this to you for obvious reasons.

My advice is that going through the IPTS is not the recommended route.

I know a parent whose son finished his diploma at Taylors. He went on to continue his studies in the UK. He got his B.Sc after studying there for 2 years and he told his parent that he had finished his degree in Architecture and he would be doing his post-graduate degree( Masters) for another 2 years. The fact is that, the 'M. Arch' that he will be getting is not even equivalent to LAM Part II since it is not accredited and he would need to take the LAM exams again upon returning to Malaysia in 2 years' time.

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Background: About 4500 applicants applied for diploma of architecture in UTM, where over half of them picked UTM as 1st choice. Only 150 candidates were shortlisted and called for the interviews. The interview has been conducted in UTM KL, and only about 120 candidates came. The interviewers consisted of lecturers of architecture attached to UTM, some (like me) were invited from the degree school in Skudai to give a more thorough selection. The interviewers were divided into 3 panels and interviewed about 40 candidates each. Eventually, 30 students have been selected. at the moment, I have no idea who the 40 are other than the few I’ve selected from panel 1.

impressions after interviewing the diploma candidates.

As I’ve mentioned earlier, i was a bit disappointed with most of the candidates who came for the interviews. Most of them were unprepared. They have no idea about architecture or the course. And little did they know about UTM, apart from what they could dig from UTM's official website. i was even more disappointed as they were all good paper candidates: most of them scored at least 5 As in SPM, and quite a number with 8A+!

Sure, there were a few diamonds. some knew a lot about architecture that they could give a good critique over it. One even actually went out of her way to work in architect’s office as a clerk just so that she could catch a glimpse of the profession. For sure she would know more about what she’s getting herself into than the rest.

Others have impressive resumes that we don’t have to even bother interviewing. Like I said before, if you win anything at national level, you’d stand a good chance. Winning an art/design competition at international level? That’s more than a bargain for us!

But for the rest, unfortunately they don’t seem to be serious or really interested in the course. They can’t even give us a convincing answer to “Who’s your favourite architect?”. Some did drop a name or two, but when queried further, they have no idea what building that particular architect built, or describe anything about his style or approach. We even switched to simpler questions like “What’s your favourite building in your home town?”, and most reasons given were “because it’s beautiful”, “because I like it”, or “because it’s near my house”!

It’s pathetic and childish! This is the very reason why we insist taking STPM students. Critical thinking is such a crucial factor in our interviews. Only few fared well. Some resorted to some script that they have memorized before. Prof. Bashri, who was a panel with me, is a specialist on human behavior. He can read people like a book, and it’s very easy for him to detect if you’re memorizing something or genuinely giving an opinion, regardless if you’re under stress or not!

Candidates need to understand that for us, the interview serves a few purposes:

a. A tie-breaker.
b. Looking for talents not assessed by the school or exams (SPM/STPM etc).
c. Looking for additional qualities that might be an asset to the university.
d. Choosing our own prospective students.
e. Looking for what the student could offer us in the future.

So when you come in with absolutely zero knowledge and have nothing to offer us, perhaps you’re not ready for architecture. Some of the candidates had an architect in the family, but they never even bothered to ask them about the profession. I mean, just go spend some time in their office and see for yourself what you’re getting into. Or the least you could do is to ask them to prep or groom you ready for the interviews! Why waste time if you’re not even going to do some research or homework? Architecture is 95% your own sweat. We’re not going to take just some Tom, d*** or Harry just because the results shows that you’re in the top 2% of Malaysia. We’re not easily impressed with grades; we’ve seen it all before.

So we’re looking for that extra edge, that one little drop of juice, a glimpse of a diamond in the rough. If you’re not ready, don’t bother. We need people who’re physically able, mentally sound and financially secure. It’s not just a requirement for intake; it’s a requirement for survival in this profession.

And don’t think that your father is some big shot architect/professor/politician/minister, if you don’t make the cut, it’s because there are lots of other people better than you. An overzealous mother approached me just before the interviews, right in front of the other parents, trying to persuade me to take her son in. I can tell you it makes no difference what you offer me, if your child is not good enough, they’re not going in.

So for those going for the degree intake, I advise you to seriously prepare yourself for the interviews. It’s harder than JPA’s, as they won’t be seeing you again should they pass or fail you. But we do. It’s like taking a driver’s license. The JPJ guy might not care much about you, but your parents would, as you would be driving for them in the future. If you’re crap, then better not bother driving for them, as you would risk your life as well as theirs!

4500 candidates, 150 interviewed, and only 30 offered. Just imagine how many we had to disappoint. Just imagine how far the top 30 had to go in order to get in. And just imagine how well have you done in order to be selected. Just imagine…
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4500 candidates, 150 interviewed, and only 30 offered. Just imagine how many we had to disappoint. Just imagine how far the top 30 had to go in order to get in. And just imagine how well have you done in order to be selected. Just imagine…
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Apr 19 2011, 04:26 AM)
Yeah, the chance of getting a place in UTM is like striking a lottery.  tongue.gif  wink.gif
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Dear Mr. Azarimy,

May we know the procedure which rclxub.gif used by UTM to shortlist the 150 candidates for interview from the 4500 applicants?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 17 2011, 01:01 PM)
so how was it? terkulat2 aku tengok. rasa nak tampar aje ko ni tongue.gif.
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hahahaha. i think you are the guys in the right side i think.

i prepared a lot of point in english. but when you asked me in BM. my mind went blank rclxub.gif . haha.

wondering when you gonna ask me in english. but ,when the time you asked me in english. my mind

went blank again rclxub.gif . hahaha.

you have told me that i speak like in the tv right? yeah, you can say that. most of the time i learn to

speak by watching tv. just a few weeks before the interview i started to take english class.

i'm really not satisfied with my performance. but it is really good experience.

are there will be second intake? i want to try once more. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ctm7899 @ Apr 19 2011, 07:42 AM)
Dear Mr. Azarimy,

May we know the procedure which  rclxub.gif used by UTM to shortlist the 150 candidates for interview from the 4500 applicants?
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actually, UPU does all the work. they rank the candidates according to their SPM results, co-curricular points, choice #, family background, income etc. then they will give UTM a shorter list and we sorted the final 150. mostly if u put UTM as 3rd choice and above u will almost never get called.

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hahahaha. i think you are the guys in the right side i think.

i prepared a lot of point in english. but when you asked me in BM. my mind went blank  rclxub.gif . haha.

wondering when you gonna ask me in english. but ,when the time you asked me in english. my mind

went blank again rclxub.gif . hahaha.

you have told me that i speak like in the tv right? yeah, you can say that. most of the time i learn to

speak by watching tv. just a few weeks before the interview i started to take english class.

i'm really not satisfied with my performance. but it is really good experience.

are there will be second intake? i want to try once more.  hmm.gif
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i'm the one on YOUR LEFT.

and i said u talk like from a script. u have to be prepared mentally, but not memorizing facts or something.

there will be no interview for 2nd intake. u will be called when any of the top 30 declined the offer. beyond the 30, there is the reserved list. if ur name is in there, u will be called.
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i'm the one on YOUR LEFT.

and i said u talk like from a script. u have to be prepared mentally, but not memorizing facts or something.

there will be no interview for 2nd intake. u will be called when any of the top 30 declined the offer. beyond the 30, there is the reserved list. if ur name is in there, u will be called.
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oh, i hope i will be accepted if my future are in this profession.

may Allah S.W.T show me the right path. biggrin.gif
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most common answers given when asked:

"why do u want to be an architect?" or "why architecture?"

- bcoz i wanna be famous one day.
- bcoz my father/brother/uncle/jiran is an architect.
- bcoz i wanna design new buildings.
- bcoz it's been my dream since i was small.
- bcoz i like buildings.

"why UTM?"

- bcoz it's the only one i could apply with SPM.
- bcoz my father/brother/uncle/jiran/senior/teacher/counselor said it was the best.
- bcoz i heard it's the only one offering architecture.
- bcoz this guy on the internet called azarimy said so.

"why diploma? why not degree?"

- bcoz i heard STPM/matrics/a-levels is hard.
- bcoz i dont want to go to school anymore.
- bcoz it's the only way to be an architect.
- bcoz it's cheaper than doing a degree.
- bcoz it's faster.



can u see how shallow and misguided some of the answers are? if u plan to answer like this in the future, dont bother going for the interview wink.gif.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 19 2011, 01:39 AM)
i suggest u go refer to the 1st post first.

u cant take the part 2 exam if u dont have a part 2 equivalent degree.

architecture normally takes at least 5 years after STPM, or 6 years after SPM.

if u hold a diploma in architecture, u may get an exemption of 1 year off the part 1 degree.

UTM SPACE is being offered both in KL and skudai.
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ya, i finished read the 1st post,
tat mean, UTM SPACE in skudai hv offer part II architecture while UTM SPACE in kl oni offer Sub-Part I right?
for part II, it need take 8 years? wat about sub part I in kl? hw long it should be go?
jz wanna make sure of it


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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Apr 19 2011, 11:03 AM)
Your question is answered if you read page 1 of this thread - route to becoming an architect.

It seems there are a lot of students who enrol in the IPTS's without knowing what they are getting into, which is  really surprising.  For all the money the parents spend on their education, the students are not aware of their future.
The truth is that you are still a long way from becoming an architect after completing the B.Sc in Architecture in the IPTS like Taylor's or UCSI.  The IPTS would not highlight this to you for obvious reasons.

My advice is that going through the IPTS is not the recommended route.

I know a parent whose son finished his diploma at Taylors.  He went on to continue his studies in the UK.  He got his B.Sc after studying there for 2 years and he told his parent that he had finished his degree in Architecture and he would be doing his post-graduate degree( Masters) for another 2 years.  The fact is that, the 'M. Arch' that he will be getting is not even equivalent to LAM Part II since it is not accredited and he would need to take the LAM exams again upon returning to Malaysia in 2 years' time.
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yes, im agree wif u, bt the problem is... IPTA quite difficult to get in since they need many procedure like interview, exam test, and so on...
btw, im applying IPTA too bt nt in UTM bcos my poly lecturer told mi UTM nt gonna to take poly student except u r full of knowledge, and skill in term of architecture scope...
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QUOTE(rayno @ Apr 19 2011, 09:08 AM)
ya, i finished read the 1st post,
tat mean, UTM SPACE in skudai hv offer part II architecture while UTM SPACE in kl oni offer Sub-Part I right?
and the duration part time studies is same as full time studies?
UTM SPACE only offers degree. the duration for that is about 7 years, depending on how many credits u take. and bear in mind UTM SPACE programme requires a diploma now. no SPM or STPM intakes anymore.

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yes, im agree wif u, bt the problem is... IPTA quite difficult to get in since they need many procedure like interview, exam test, and so on...
btw, im applying IPTA too bt nt in UTM bcos my poly lecturer told mi UTM nt gonna to take poly student except u r full of knowledge, and skill in term of architecture scope...
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the reason for the procedures is simple: there are too many people applying. if that puts u off, then it is successful in turning away people who're not that interested in the course, hence making the number of applicants smaller and more manageable.

and UTM takes more polytechnic students than any other architecture schools. but yes, we tend only to take the top students. i mean, who wouldnt? wink.gif.

anyways, it is absolutely YOUR CHOICE to make, be it IPTA or IPTS. but before u fall on one side or the other, make sure u make an informed decision!
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 19 2011, 05:22 PM)
UTM SPACE only offers degree. the duration for that is about 7 years, depending on how many credits u take. and bear in mind UTM SPACE programme requires a diploma now. no SPM or STPM intakes anymore.
the reason for the procedures is simple: there are too many people applying. if that puts u off, then it is successful in turning away people who're not that interested in the course, hence making the number of applicants smaller and more manageable.

and UTM takes more polytechnic students than any other architecture schools. but yes, we tend only to take the top students. i mean, who wouldnt? wink.gif.

anyways, it is absolutely YOUR CHOICE to make, be it IPTA or IPTS. but before u fall on one side or the other, make sure u make an informed decision!
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7 years mean include the exemption yet or nt?
Degree mean PART I right? UTM SPACE in skudai and kl r offer same lv ? wat so different between that? bside the location
tat r gud new for all poly student, if the UTM SPACE oni offer for diploma holder bcos tat r quite difficult for poly student to compete wif STPM holder,
they lv r bit high~~

yes, 1 more thing, MR, is there UPM and UKM take poly student? bcos i hv no idea for that Uni for taking poly student o nt?
btw, im nt so confident may success to get in tat Uni since my pointed nt so satisfy by mi, bt hv 3.00 at least...
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Mr Aza,
i still remembered u had mentioned before regarding the differences between utm to usm and um before during the version2 of this thread but i tried to search but still couldn't find it.

Would be please recall it back here if u don't mind.

Basically is about the scope of UTM, as u mentioned earlier, utm is more on 'old -school' kind of teaching. How does it means actually ? How about the others ?

Secondly, what about the syllabus if were to compare with the others for part 1 and part 2. I have tried to compare those syllabus side by side. I'm really sorry that i couldn't see any differences with my limited knowledge.

thanks in advance.

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7 years mean include the exemption yet or nt? 
Degree mean PART I right? UTM SPACE in skudai and kl r offer same lv ? wat so different between that? bside the location
tat r gud new for all poly student, if the UTM SPACE oni offer for diploma holder bcos tat r quite difficult for poly student to compete wif STPM holder,
they lv r bit high~~

yes, 1 more thing, MR, is there UPM and UKM take poly student? bcos i hv no idea for that Uni for taking poly student o nt?
btw, im nt so confident may success to get in tat Uni since my pointed nt so satisfy by mi, bt hv 3.00  at least...
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mmm could u phrase ur questions clearly? coz i'm having problem understanding. i'll try my best to answer ur questions.

i. UTM SPACE programme is not accredited. meaning even after 7 years, u will not get exempted from LAM part 1 or 2 exams. but there are a number of SPACE graduates who have successfully sat for the LAM part 1 and 2 individually. the degree offered is for both parts 1 and 2.

ii. u have to see UTM SPACE as a mobile/flexible programme. if there are more students in the south, then they might not open a center in KL for that semester. the same if there are a large number from east malaysia, then we will open a center there. it's all catered on semester basis. so regardless of where u study, it's exactly the same programme, taught by the same lecturers.

iii. poly diploma does not compete with STPM. refer diagram 4.0 in the 1st post. poly diploma goes to 2nd year, while STPM goes to 1st year.

iv. i know UPM do, but i'm not sure about UKM. but whatever it is, i have not heard of any circular or policies that bars poly students from joining any of those IPTAs. in fact, i believe it is against government policies for them NOT to take poly graduates. that is, as long as they satisfy the requirements and qualify.

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Mr Aza,
i still remembered u had mentioned before regarding the differences between utm to usm and um before during the version2 of this thread but i tried to search but still couldn't find it.

Would be please recall it back here if u don't mind.

Basically is about the scope of UTM, as u mentioned earlier, utm is more on 'old -school' kind of teaching. How does it means actually ? How about the others ?

Secondly, what about the syllabus  if were to compare with the others for part 1 and part 2. I have tried to compare those syllabus side by side. I'm really sorry that i couldn't see any differences with my limited knowledge.

thanks in advance.
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well, the schools have changed quite a bit since the last i checked. even UTM have greatly changed in the last 18 month. UTM lately have been focusing on development of individual students, basically going for holistic approach. the students have the choice to be what kind of architect they wanna be, and the school will support it. so in UTM at the moment u have several units of expertise where u can specialize in: environmental, sustainability, urbanism, technology, regionalism, parametric design, socio-cultural, theoretical and process-based design. it's all up to the student to choose.

but in the next few years, UTM will be transformed into adopting BIM (building information modeling), where it will go back to become a highly technical and technologically biased school.

i know UPM have been going for sustainability, where the entire course is geared towards GBI and all that green thingy.

UM on the other hand is focusing on practicality, pragmatic and real-world architecture. heck, they have a large number of architects going in and out of their school, u cant miss stumbling upon one biggrin.gif.

USM have always been strong on research and publication, but the students are well known to be trained as excellent managers and project administrators, despite them not openly acknowledging so. the in joke is, if u take a UTM, UM and USM graduate, u'll complete an office. the UTM will do the technical design, the USM will manage it, and the UM will keep it real. and then the UiTM will come in and kick the project away (bcoz diorang kerja JKR or local authority lol).
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I am interested to know about the races of student who has attended the interview, how's the ratio?

Concerning your question:
'Are there any architectural firms that give out scholarships or loans?' in 1.4, I actually read a scholarship provided by some contracting / building company which the term is to work in their company for at least N years / forever. Are those companies counted as 'firm'?
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I am interested to know about the races of student who has attended the interview, how's the ratio?

Concerning your question:
'Are there any architectural firms that give out scholarships or loans?' in 1.4, I actually read a scholarship provided by some contracting / building company which the term is to work in their company for at least N years / forever. Are those companies counted as 'firm'?
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it is almost equally distributed between bumi and non-bumi. for the non-bumi group, we had about 15% of them indian.

well, usually in this thread, firms mean architectural firms. but in context of the discussion, as long as they provide scholarship for ur studies and allow u to become an architect when working with them, go for it!
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But those are private companies I guess?

Does unaccredited by LAM means you can't even work in private companies is it? Basically just interested to know this general knowledge, not going for private though~

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But those are private companies I guess?

Does unaccredited by LAM means you can't even work in private companies is it? Basically just interested to know this general knowledge, not going for private though~
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all firms practicing architecture in malaysia, regardless private or public, are bound to the law set by the governing body that is LAM. if u dont hold a valid license, u cant practice legally. period.

of course, there are people practicing illegally or just below their capacity in order to gain enough experience to sit for the exams.
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How's your opinion about construction and corruption?
Old people are recommending me not to work for government because of corruptions, that really tie me up.


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There is corruption both in public and private sectors. It depends on you, how steadfast you hold on to your principles. Of course, there are more opportunites in the public sector especially when you are part of an approving authority.

There are not many job openings in the public sectior these days. The sizeable jobs are farmed out to the private sectors. Architects in the public sector, where JKR is the biggest employer, end up doing management and administrative work. JKR, being an engineer dominated department, have their engineers to administer their projects, which further restricts the scope of work of the architects. Salaries in the government service is low compared to the private sector especially when you go into your own practice.

Unless one takes a scholarship and is bonded to work for the government, I see no reason/incentive for graduate architects to join the public service.

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Thanks for replied Mr Aza.
It seems like utm giving more open studying environment for the students.

I ever saw one 5th year student designing church during Dr taj. bought her in as visting lecturer and students. I was so impressed by open policy which I never thought ipta could allows to do that.
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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Apr 20 2011, 05:14 PM)
Thanks for replied Mr Aza.
It seems like utm giving more open studying environment for the students.

I ever saw one 5th year student designing church during Dr taj. bought her in as visting lecturer and students. I was so impressed by open policy which I never thought ipta could allows to do that.
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architecture department, regardless of IPTAs, are known to be defiant against conformity. u'll find it quite liberating, especially when compared to secondary school lol.

but the hardest part for us, is to break the minds of the students to realize and accept the liberal approach that each architectural schools use. for example, it's hard to break the minds of asian students, particularly in malaysia, so that they would be willing to stand up what they believe in and argue their statement against a number of jury. most of them tried, but quickly fell into the realm of arrogance hahaha.
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i truly understood what u r trying to talk.

i had an experience which was one of my school part-time studio lecturer trying to propose the design topic to the school but got rejected because it was religious building (medium scale) ...




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just an announcement to those applying for Bachelor of Architecture UTM:

+ The interview will take place next week on the 28 and 29 April.
+ No letters will be sent out. You MUST check your offer online via UPU website.
+ There will be 3 centers: UTM KL, UTM Skudai and Sarawak (possibly Kuching, but I don't have the details yet).
+ Check your time, date and venue for the interviews. If you need to change anything, please give UTM a call.

Good Luck!
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 21 2011, 06:59 PM)
just an announcement to those applying for Bachelor of Architecture UTM:

+ The interview will take place next week on the 28 and 29 April.
+ No letters will be sent out. You MUST check your offer online via UPU website.
+ There will be 3 centers: UTM KL, UTM Skudai and Sarawak (possibly Kuching, but I don't have the details yet).
+ Check your time, date and venue for the interviews. If you need to change anything, please give UTM a call.

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Mr Aza.
Are you one of the interviewers ? lol..

According to http://upu.mohe.gov.my/, we can only check our status on 25th April 2011. Im wondering is there any alternative to know it earlier ?.I'm sorry cause i need to apply leave from company.

tq
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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Apr 21 2011, 11:38 AM)
Mr Aza.
Are you one of the interviewers ? lol..

According to http://upu.mohe.gov.my/, we can only check our status on 25th April 2011. Im wondering is there any alternative to know it earlier ?.I'm sorry cause i need to apply leave from company.

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try and check tomorrow or over the weekend. we've already got the list, so it should be available online soon. i guess u could just apply for leave, regardless. if u didnt get the offer, give UTM a call. depending on ur STPM results, they might just say "come in for the interview. we'll see how good u are".

and yes, i'll be interviewing in KL.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Apr 20 2011, 07:11 PM)
Unless one takes a scholarship and is bonded to work for the government, I see no reason/incentive for graduate architects to join the public service.
Astonished.

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hi azarimy,may i know if it is a necessity for my portfolio works to be certified? what if i only have a few pieces of works to be shown, say less than 10? May i also include photoshopped pics?
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QUOTE(ksquared90 @ Apr 21 2011, 01:16 PM)
hi azarimy,may i know if it is a necessity for my portfolio works to be certified? what if i only have a few pieces of works to be shown, say less than 10? May i also include photoshopped pics?
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yes, we prefer it to be certified. if it's an original, u may certify it at the back.

u may bring as many works as u want, but doesnt mean the more u bring the higher chance u will get. sometimes only one golden work is required, while a ton of bricks wont do any good.

the nature of work may vary. photoshopped works may be included. but remember, we're looking for creativity. ask around and see how much creativity do they think exists in the act of photoshopping.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 21 2011, 07:56 PM)
try and check tomorrow or over the weekend. we've already got the list, so it should be available online soon. i guess u could just apply for leave, regardless. if u didnt get the offer, give UTM a call. depending on ur STPM results, they might just say "come in for the interview. we'll see how good u are".

and yes, i'll be interviewing in KL.
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Hope I will be chosen for the interview btw. I'm applying for b archi under diploma and setaraf.


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how many places are they for degree part 1 upcoming utm intake? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Apr 21 2011, 06:03 PM)
Hope I will be chosen for the interview btw. I'm applying for b archi under diploma and setaraf.
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good luck and all the best.

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how many places are they for degree part 1 upcoming utm intake?  shakehead.gif
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Why would you consider joining the public sector? The job is more relaxed no doubt and is more secure. After all, people used to joke that JKR stood for 'jangan kerja rajin'.

Are you bumi or non-bumi?

Nowadays, there is hardly any non-bumi architects in the public sector except those bonded by scholarship.
In the 80's, there used to be a 2-year compulsory service for all architects (and civil engineers) before they could be registered but that was scrapped during the recession.

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Why would you consider joining the public sector?  The job is more relaxed no doubt and is more secure.  After all, people used to joke that JKR stood for 'jangan kerja rajin'. 

Are you bumi or non-bumi?

Nowadays, there is hardly any non-bumi architects in the public sector except those bonded by scholarship.
In the 80's, there used to be a 2-year compulsory service for all architects (and civil engineers) before they could be registered but that was scrapped during the recession.
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Non, thanks for your info. This is gonna be a long consideration after all~ shocking.gif
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i always tell my students NOT to work with the government. u're holding a professional degree, one where u can seriously do some good in this world. why limit ur potentials by opting to work under old school bosses who only care to fulfill his next KPI?

sure, private sector is not as stable when the economy's bad. but when the economy's good, u'll easily earn 3-4 times more than the public sector. that's when u use the money to invest (rather than buy expensive cars).

there are lots of potentials in the private sector. go for it.
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Izzit possible for me to take foundation in architectural studies(IPTS) and then continue deegree in local U?
My chance for the intake would be lower compared to form 6 and matric?
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Izzit possible for me to take foundation in architectural studies(IPTS) and then continue deegree in local U?
My chance for the intake would be lower compared to form 6 and matric?
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Local U as in IPTA?
No, it's not possible after foundation. Foundation is meant to prepare you for degree in that particular uni, not for others, certainly not for IPTA.
It may be possible after your diploma but it's tough, don't bank on that.


Added on April 23, 2011, 12:49 pmMost architects stay with public service not by choice but because they have a contract to fulfil.

The experience with public sector is very much limited. Of course there are the benefits associated with government service such as status, recognition, opportunities for training and further studies, etc. The more enterprising ones would take on private jobs for additional income.

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interestingly, my friends working in JKR are all part 3 architects now. they achieved that on average 2-3 years faster than those in private.
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@azarimy,

I would like some advice.. I have recently been accepted into the diploma in architecture course at tarc with scholarship. I'm not sure whether to accept their offer as i've not really heard much about their architecture course. I'm also considering the diploma from limkokwing in kuching. My plan is to pursue my degree overseas particularly in Australasia after completing my diploma. I would like to know, is it a good choice to go to tarc? Is their architecture course recognised by overseas institutions? Or is it a wiser choice to stay and pursue my diploma in limkokwing? I have to make my decision soon as the course in tarc is about to start.. I would much appreciate your advice. smile.gif
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neither diplomas are truly recognizable overseas. LUCT's will be recognized by a select school in australia, but not the rest of the world. this is the same with TARC's as well.

but bottom line is, if u're targeting a degree, it does not matter which path u took. if doing architecture in TARC can get u into a recognized/credible school like melbourne or RMIT, then got for it. but if it only lands u in some backwater school in russia, then why bother?

figure out ur destination. then u will better understand which path u gonna take. if u cant decide, then i recommend the safer choice: A-levels or STPM.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 23 2011, 03:32 PM)
neither diplomas are truly recognizable overseas. LUCT's will be recognized by a select school in australia, but not the rest of the world. this is the same with TARC's as well.

but bottom line is, if u're targeting a degree, it does not matter which path u took. if doing architecture in TARC can get u into a recognized/credible school like melbourne or RMIT, then got for it. but if it only lands u in some backwater school in russia, then why bother?

figure out ur destination. then u will better understand which path u gonna take. if u cant decide, then i recommend the safer choice: A-levels or STPM.
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Thank you for your opinion. Right now my choices are limited to LUCT and TARC. Most of overseas university require arts and portfolio with a-levels.. There seems to be no institution in malaysia that offers art as a subject in a-levels. Being a science student i'm not sure if i can come up with a good enough portfoilio. I have been told by agents that most Australian universities(eg. RMIT, uni melb etc..) accept LUCT's diploma. The counsellor in tarc said advance standing into the robert gordon university is given to tarc diploma holders. she also told me that i can apply to most universities once i complete the course. But almost every university that offers diploma says that u can apply to any university with their diploma. I dont know how true that statement is. But what i really like to know, is that as person involved in architecture education, which of these two schools do you think is more reputable and can offer a better education in architecture?
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i was rejected for the interview for UTM..

haih...
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QUOTE(123.abc @ Apr 23 2011, 07:51 AM)
Thank you for your opinion. Right now my choices are limited to LUCT and TARC. Most of overseas university require arts and portfolio with a-levels.. There seems to be no institution in malaysia that offers art as a subject in a-levels. Being a science student i'm not sure if i can come up with a good enough portfoilio. I have been told by agents that most Australian universities(eg. RMIT, uni melb etc..) accept LUCT's diploma. The counsellor in tarc said advance standing into the robert gordon university is given to tarc diploma holders. she also told me that i can apply to most universities once i complete the course. But almost every university that offers diploma says that u can apply to any university with their diploma. I dont know how true that statement is. But what i really like to know, is that as person involved in architecture education, which of these two schools do you think is more reputable and can offer a better education in architecture?
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do u want seriously good architectural education or just enough? because in my opinion, diploma from TARC and LUCT are just enough to get u by and eventually end up at an overseas institution. look at it as a stepping stone. an expensive one.

the difference between LUCT and TARC diploma is minutely small if u compare to other more vocational ones like polytechnics. a lot of people underestimate polytechnics, labeling them as a place where people who cant get into universities. but in architecture, they are highly regarded and extremely competitive. and cheap too.

so it's up to u. if i were u, i'd save money and go for A-levels/STPM and get some serious architectural education by going straight to degree. that's where the joy is.
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i was rejected for the interview for UTM..

haih...
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Mr Aza. is there any ways to appeal ?

soyabamboo: are u applying through stpm or diploma ?
im using my degree from ipts (without part 1 accreditation) to apply under diploma entry.
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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Apr 23 2011, 09:57 AM)
Mr Aza. is there any ways to appeal ?

soyabamboo: are u applying through stpm or diploma ?
im using my degree from ipts (without part 1 accreditation) to apply under diploma entry.
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i. if u're applying for degree, u may call the Head of Department of Architecture, Associate Professor Dr. Abdullah Sani or the Head of Course, Dr. Khairul Anwar in Fakulti Alam Bina, Skudai. they will further instruct u of what to do, should they accept ur appeal.
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any1 could gv me some advice if i cant manage to get any ipta for this coming degree intake?
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QUOTE(aloy_radzi @ Apr 23 2011, 10:04 AM)
any1 could gv me some advice if i cant manage to get any ipta for this coming degree intake?
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i. if u're applying for degree, u may call the Head of Department of Architecture, Associate Professor Dr. Abdullah Sani or the Head of Course, Dr. Khairul Anwar in Fakulti Alam Bina, Skudai. they will further instruct u of what to do, should they accept ur appeal.
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i will call them up on monday morning
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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Apr 23 2011, 07:20 PM)
i will call them up on monday morning
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im reject from UTM oso, may i knw hw can i reach tat officer? may i knw tat officer contact number pls?
im applying degree in urban planning and landscape architect...
cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
no mood already~

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anfLSnAL_Sw&feature=relmfu

aint too sure if this has been posted before but heads up for those who are interested in this course smile.gif

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QUOTE(rayno87 @ Apr 25 2011, 09:46 AM)
im reject from UTM oso, may i knw hw can i reach tat officer? may i knw tat officer contact number pls?
im applying degree in urban planning and landscape architect...
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no mood already~
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call the head of department of urban planning and/or landscape architect.

i'm not gonna give u any numbers. it's readily available on utm website. go do a little digging.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 25 2011, 06:57 PM)
call the head of department of urban planning  and/or landscape architect.

i'm not gonna give u any numbers. it's readily available on utm website. go do a little digging.
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k~ ty!
mr, can i ask for architecture interview, even i choose urban planning/ landscape architect as my 3/4th selection in upu application form?
actually, im interesting in architecture, jz bcos the upu system limited mi to choose all of my selection as architecture...
appreciated for helping mi ~

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Yes... i been accepted for UTM's Architecture Interview =)
sir azarimy, u going to be interviewer at KL ?
is yes, i going to meet u =)

anyway, wat clothes should i wear ? formal ? can wear jeans ? sport shoe ? 0.o

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QUOTE(rayno @ Apr 25 2011, 11:20 AM)
k~  ty!
mr, can i ask for architecture interview, even i choose urban planning/ landscape architect as my 3/4th selection in upu application form?
actually, im interesting in architecture, jz bcos the upu system limited mi to choose all of my selection as architecture...
appreciated for helping mi ~
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only a few courses conduct interview.

and...

i dont understand the rest of ur question... lol.

QUOTE(JayRainbow @ Apr 25 2011, 11:40 AM)
Yes... i been accepted for UTM's Architecture Interview =)
sir azarimy, u going to be interviewer at KL ?
is yes, i going to meet u =)

anyway, wat clothes should i wear ? formal ? can wear jeans ? sport shoe ? 0.o
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congratulations. yes, i will be in the KL interview. what day did they call u?

wear something proper, stylish and outstanding. u wanna look smart and professional, like a designer. and no school uniforms please.
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congratulations. yes, i will be in the KL interview. what day did they call u?

wear something proper, stylish and outstanding. u wanna look smart and professional, like a designer. and no school uniforms please.
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wow... my interview date is 8am, 29th april... the time so early >.<
anyway can i know wat time will the interview finish ?

means i can wear jeans and sport shoe ? since jeans and sport shoe more comfortable for me =)

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QUOTE(JayRainbow @ Apr 25 2011, 01:01 PM)
wow... my interview date is 8am, 29th april... the time so early >.<
anyway can i know wat time will the interview finish ?


usually by noon.

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means i can wear jeans and sport shoe ? since jeans and sport shoe more comfortable for me =)
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u willing to bet ur future on them?

what if ur need to be comfortable on friday means u will not live a comfortable life in the future? wink.gif.
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u willing to bet ur future on them?

what if ur need to be comfortable on friday means u will not live a comfortable life in the future? wink.gif.
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means ? >.< wear formal ? need suggestion >.< i wan do well for my interview
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QUOTE(JayRainbow @ Apr 25 2011, 01:21 PM)
means ? >.< wear formal ? need suggestion >.< i wan do well for my interview
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QUOTE(JayRainbow @ Apr 25 2011, 09:21 PM)
means ? >.< wear formal ? need suggestion >.< i wan do well for my interview
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What's the objective? To give your interviewer the best impression, right?
Casual wear is a no-no for interviews, whether it's for getting into a uni, getting a scholarship or getting a job.
It gives the impression that you are not giving the interviewers due respect.
You don't have to be overly formal but at least dress to look smart. It's common sense la!

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means ? >.< wear formal ? need suggestion >.< i wan do well for my interview
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If your going for a job interview, will you go in jeans and a tshirt or in slacks and with a tie?
It's just a few hours of uncomfartableness. You want to give your interviewers a good impression of you.
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Mr. Azarimy, can u recommend me some good books on working drawing and for design (besides Francis D.K Ching's)? thanks in advance ya~
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I am impressed by how quickly version III of this topic has grew since its inception just last month.


It is great that UTM's usual full 5 year degree program has now successfully been 'transmogrified' into a standard & renowned international 3 + 2-masters format. (UTM's Part 2 program will definitely be in my list of consideration for the future. smile.gif)

Some of my best works in diploma are currently at progress (in Taylors), and my final semester is, at present, in full-swing; so as a result, I will (sadly) not be able to make it to the upcoming degree intake in May 2011, for UTM. (As much as I would like to fight the battle to stand the gap between the middle earth!)

I, however, maintain my respect for this mature & established institution for Architecture - UTM. (Quite a significant number of my lecturers from the Division of Architecture at Taylors are graduates from this renowned institution of Architecture, and I realized there is usually a certain level/kind of knowledge & maturity demonstrated by these lecturers in tutorials, lectures, & critic sessions which tend to be profound; and interestingly in a style that is either liked or disliked by students- but I happened to be the type that enjoys it all very much, seeing it all happening in front of me during crit. wink.gif)

I have some questions out of my curiosity if you don't mind:

- How does the standard in UTM (at present), compares to its standard say in about 10 - 15 years ago (as in back in our lecturer's tertiary education time-line)?

- What was the primary focus/style/philosophy of the architecture school back then?

- Today, is UTM more focused onto design/theory/philosophy/concepts, or is it more focused into building or architectural - technology/construction/science/functional designing?

- If UTM switches over to BIM in the future (a new work-flow & process for students - correct me if I'm wrong), would creativity/uniqueness in/of students be severely 'diminished'; due to the nature & 'rigidness' of the BIM system?


Regards & now proceeding back to nocturnal-noon work shift in a cold - vast - empty studio boring plain space...

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Mr. Azarimy, can u recommend me some good books on working drawing and for design (besides Francis D.K Ching's)? thanks in advance ya~
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i dont think there's a single book that anyone would recommend for design. but for working drawings, try and look for technical magazines like DETAIL or the likes. there's also several working drawings handbook (google!) published that u can refer to. but remember, working drawings, although mostly standard, evolves through time. especially when new technologies or techniques are introduced. so i'd start with old, established books, but then quickly move on to the more recent ones.

also remember that working drawings do tend to be localized. meaning conventions used in the US might not be applicable in malaysia. heck, some of the things in johor can be very different from KL. but those are just minor. concentrate on the gist of it!

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Apr 25 2011, 09:57 PM)
I am impressed by how quickly version III of this topic has grew since its inception just last month.
It is great that UTM's usual full 5 year degree program has now successfully been 'transmogrified' into a standard & renowned international 3 + 2-masters format. (UTM's Part 2 program will definitely be in my list of consideration for the future. smile.gif)

Some of my best works in diploma are currently at progress (in Taylors), and my final semester is, at present, in full-swing; so as a result, I will (sadly) not be able to make it to the upcoming degree intake in May 2011, for UTM. (As much as I would like to fight the battle to stand the gap between the middle earth!)

I, however, maintain my respect for this mature & established institution for Architecture - UTM. (Quite a significant number of my lecturers from the Division of Architecture at Taylors are graduates from this renowned institution of Architecture, and I realized there is usually a certain level/kind of knowledge & maturity demonstrated by these lecturers in tutorials, lectures, & critic sessions which tend to be profound; and interestingly in a style that is either liked or disliked by students- but I happened to be the type that enjoys it all very much, seeing it all happening in front of me during crit. wink.gif)

I have some questions out of my curiosity if you don't mind:

- How does the standard in UTM (at present), compares to its standard say in about 10 - 15 years ago (as in back in our lecturer's tertiary education time-line)?

- What was the primary focus/style/philosophy of the architecture school back then?

- Today, is UTM more focused onto design/theory/philosophy/concepts, or is it more focused into building or architectural - technology/construction/science/functional designing?

- If UTM switches over to BIM in the future (a new work-flow & process for students - correct me if I'm wrong), would creativity/uniqueness in/of students be severely 'diminished'; due to the nature & 'rigidness' of the BIM system?
Regards & now proceeding back to nocturnal-noon work shift in a cold - vast - empty studio boring plain space...
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did u know that even if u havent finished in taylor's, u COULD still apply with ur pre-final results? but it's too late now wink.gif. btw, dont forget to keep a copy of ur works. some diploma students we interviewed always gave an excuse that their school "kept the drawings, that's why i didnt bring any today" yadda yadda yadda....

to answer ur questions:

the standard is very different nowadays. we've changed quite a lot in the last 10 years that those who graduated during my time would not even recognize them. this is due to the major change of teaching philosophy from a highly technical based to a more open ended, constructive and highly specialized approach. meaning, 10 years back, ALL UTM graduates are very technical based. they have little ability to explore the theoretical or philosophical aspect of architecture, but they can damn sure construct a building and draw the very detail of it just from memory!

nowadays, it's a matter of choice. the highly technical path is still available. students may choose to follow the old school. but there are other specializations that they may venture into. for example, the environmental and sustainability path. this is still highly technical, but also involves in a lot of environmental physics, computer simulations, calculations and experiments. so if u look at their works, it'll be very hardcore science almost engineering, and from a perspective of those graduating over 10 years ago, it'll be an unfamiliar approach.

so back to the standards, if u were to force me to answer it, i'd say the technical aspects have toned down. our diploma school now specializes on building a strong technical base, just like polytechnic diploma. but we have grown to other aspects even more.

i understand there's a lot of concern over the rigidity of BIM system. but like i said before, sketchup can be extremely rigid as well. but people quickly mastered sketchup and did things that even the makers of sketchup never imagined it could do. it's the same with BIM. sure, it'll take a whole lot longer to master BIM software compared to sketchup (which can be mastered in under 2 hours).

we have the core qualities comfortably firm. it's just a matter of taking the next step it producing a more holistic architect. UTM used to be very strong technically. then the school shifted into specializations and the technical aspects have been toned down. by introducing BIM, we can increase the strength of technical knowledge amongst the students WITHOUT sacrificing their ability to specialize!

win-win!


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Hello, I come from Sabah. This Saturday (30/4) I have a USM architecture interview at kota kinabalu. But, just now I checked I have another architecture interview from UKM which is also on this Saturday (30/4). What should I do?
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Hello, I come from Sabah. This Saturday (30/4) I have a USM architecture interview at kota kinabalu. But, just now I checked I have another architecture interview from UKM which is also on this Saturday (30/4). What should I do?
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Tell them about it, that the two interviews are on the same date.
Request for one of them to be changed to a different date. You have a valid reason the request.
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QUOTE(yongyz @ Apr 26 2011, 02:35 AM)
Hello, I come from Sabah. This Saturday (30/4) I have a USM architecture interview at kota kinabalu. But, just now I checked I have another architecture interview from UKM which is also on this Saturday (30/4). What should I do?
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what tehtmc said.

however, u may need to consider something here. UKM i believe only conducts the interview once. USM conducts the interview at several centers, possible on different dates. give them both a call. find out alternatives. it is possible that u can go to UKM, and then go to USM's in penang.
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Mr. Azarimy, can u recommend me some good books on working drawing and for design (besides Francis D.K Ching's)? thanks in advance ya~
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The two fields are too wide to be covered in a single book, or even in a few books.
Unlike other fields, you don't learn design so much from textbooks than by doing. It is more of an art.

For construction (working drawings), you learn the principles from books, drawing and analysing details and observation. It is both a science as well as an art. Contstruction details not only have to be functional, they also have to look orderly and aesthetic.
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Can someone help me on a few questions regarding LAM accreditation?

If i were to take my diploma in LUCT then continue my part 1 and part 2 degree at one of the recognized overseas institutions listed in http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditationlist.html , am I exempted from the part 1 and part 2 exam? or do i still have to take both exams even though i have fully completed the degree and masters at the instutution?

Any help is much appreiated. smile.gif
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Can someone help me on a few questions regarding LAM accreditation?

If i were to take my diploma in LUCT then continue my part 1 and part 2 degree at one of the recognized overseas institutions listed in http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditationlist.html , am I exempted from the part 1 and part 2 exam? or do i still have to take both exams even though i have fully completed the degree and masters at the instutution?

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Unfortunately, you are required to take LAM Parts 1 & 2 as part of your degree, even though a small part, was done in an unaccredited uni ie. LUCT. The degree may be accredited by RIBA/ARAIA but not by our LAM.

This would probably set you back by another year.

Surprisingly, a lot of students taking this route are not aware of this.

Have you started the diploma in LUCT?

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Apr 26 2011, 05:23 PM)
Unfortunately, you are required to take LAM Parts 1 & 2 as part of your degree, even though a small part, was done in an unaccredited uni ie. LUCT. The degree may be accredited by RIBA/ARAIA but not by our LAM.

This would probably set you back by another year.

Surprisingly,  a lot of students taking this route are not aware of this.

Have you started the diploma in LUCT?
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So even though i have completed my part 2 degree fully in an accredited school i am still required to take the part 2 exam? blink.gif Am i exempted from certain papers from the exam? what is the difference between being accredited by RIBA/overseas boards and LAM? If i were to work overseas am i required to be registered by LAM? Or is it jus sufficient to be registered by RIBA/ overseas architect boards?

And no i haven't started the diploma in LUCT yet. I am thinking of applying for the july intake in the borneo campus as i am from East Malaysia. I wanted to apply for the utm diploma but was too late by the time i fond out about it. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(123.abc @ Apr 26 2011, 05:48 PM)
So even though i have completed my part 2 degree fully in an accredited school i am still required to take the part 2 exam?

Yes, because your Part 1 was not done fully in an accredited uni, it sort of negates your Part 2. Sounds unfair but that's the way it is.

blink.gif Am i exempted from certain papers from the exam? what is the difference between being accredited by RIBA/overseas boards and LAM?

Registration with RIBA is required for practice in UK and some Commonwealth countries (eg HK, Sri Lanka).  Registration with LAM is required for practice in Malaysia. Your can't use RIBA to practice in Malaysia or vice versa.

Even graduates from Harward University are not exempted from LAM Parts I and II.


If i were to work overseas am i required to be registered by LAM? Or is it jus sufficient to be registered by RIBA/ overseas architect boards?

As above.


And no i haven't started the diploma in LUCT yet. I am thinking of applying for the july intake in the borneo campus as i am from East Malaysia. I wanted to apply for the utm diploma but was too late by the time i fond out about it. unsure.gif
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Can someone help me on a few questions regarding LAM accreditation?

If i were to take my diploma in LUCT then continue my part 1 and part 2 degree at one of the recognized overseas institutions listed in http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditationlist.html , am I exempted from the part 1 and part 2 exam? or do i still have to take both exams even though i have fully completed the degree and masters at the instutution?

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actually, u can. assuming u did both part 1 and 2 locally.

i checked this just now with one of the CAAEM accreditation committee member and he confirmed it. the reason why diploma LUCT + australian degree was not accepted for LAM despite having RAIA certification was that those are considered as twinning programme. i dont exactly remember the rulings on this, but it's been around since the 90s.

if not, then it wont explain why UTM diploma (in KL) or polytechnic diploma had no problem for accreditation. CAAEM only accredits part 1 and 2, they never look into the diploma programmes. so there's no issue of accredited diploma or not.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 06:13 PM)
actually, u can. assuming u did both part 1 and 2 locally.

i checked this just now with one of the CAAEM accreditation committee member and he confirmed it.
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I thought you did say that Taylor's diploma graduates who further their studies in the UK to B.Arch. also need to sit for LAM Parts 1 & 2 ?


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actually, u can. assuming u did both part 1 and 2 locally.
So what your saying is that i'd get exempted if i did both part 1 & 2 locally(utm etc.)?

What about doing part 1 & 2 overseas? (UCL, RMIT, Auck U, Sheffield etc.) after doing an unaccredited diploma?

Is it considered twinning if i use my LUCT diploma to enter into an overseas university? hmm.gif
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I thought you did say that Taylor's diploma graduates who further their studies in the UK to B.Arch. also need to sit for LAM Parts 1 & 2 ?
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all overseas graduates now will have to sit for the exam, regardless of accreditation.

for those from accredited degree (RIBA, RAIA etc), u will go through an interview where u will pin-up/exhibit ur portfolio. this is fairly straightforward. they will assess all ur works based on LAM part 1 or 2 criteria. they will ask u a few questions, explore on ur works, ur experience and knowledge of local practice.

those from non-accredited degree, i heard it's a little bit different.

QUOTE(123.abc @ Apr 26 2011, 10:40 AM)
So what your saying is that i'd get exempted if i did both part 1 & 2 locally(utm etc.)?

What about doing part 1 & 2 overseas? (UCL, RMIT, Auck U, Sheffield etc.) after doing an unaccredited diploma?

Is it considered twinning if i use my LUCT diploma to enter into an overseas university?  hmm.gif
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local IPTAs, i mean.

refer to the above. avoid twinning from IPTS at all cost. or anything that remotely sounds like it, just to be sure.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 06:47 PM)
all overseas graduates now will have to sit for the exam, regardless of accreditation.

for those from accredited degree (RIBA, RAIA etc), u will go through an interview where u will pin-up/exhibit ur portfolio. this is fairly straightforward. they will assess all ur works based on LAM part 1 or 2 criteria. they will ask u a few questions, explore on ur works, ur experience and knowledge of local practice.

those from non-accredited degree, i heard it's a little bit different.

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Referring to what u said, and just to be clear about the subject, is that what I'll be going through if i complete my part 1 & 2 degree overseas after the LUCT diploma or even if i went through the utm diploma? No exams? hmm.gif

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Referring to what u said, and just to be clear about the subject, is that what I'll be going through if i complete my part 1 & 2 degree overseas after the LUCT diploma or even if i went through the utm diploma? No exams?  hmm.gif
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no, if u join an IPTA (accredited) and pass, u will be exempted, accordingly. it doesnt matter which diploma.

what u should worry is that, whether the IPTS diploma can qualify u into an IPTA in the first place.
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all overseas graduates now will have to sit for the exam, regardless of accreditation.

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That's probably in the proposal stage.

The Architect's Act would need to be amended before the requirement can be enforced.

All matters to do with accreditation, examinations and registration are governed by the Architect's Act.

A similar exam has been proposed for foreign medical graduates but it is yet to be gazetted.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 07:43 PM)
no, if u join an IPTA (accredited) and pass, u will be exempted, accordingly. it doesnt matter which diploma.

what u should worry is that, whether the IPTS diploma can qualify u into an IPTA in the first place.
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Alright. But if i join and complete my part 1 & 2 in an accredited overseas university, I'll just have go through the interview etc. to pass the part 1 & 2? huh.gif
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Apr 26 2011, 11:44 AM)
That's probably in the proposal stage.

The Architect's Act would need to be amended before the requirement can be enforced.

All matters to do with accreditation, examinations and registration are governed by the Architect's Act.

A similar exam has been proposed for foreign medical graduates but it is yet to be gazetted.
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let me make a little correction.

those graduating from RIBA schools that is accredited by LAM (refer LAM website) can immediately register as a graduate member and practice. those not from those universities, regardless being accredited by RIBA, must go through the exam as mentioned before.

- as clarified by the CAAEM member.

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Alright. But if i join and complete my part 1 & 2 in an accredited overseas university, I'll just have go through the interview etc. to pass the part 1 & 2?  huh.gif
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refer above.
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let me make a little correction.

those graduating from RIBA schools that is accredited by LAM (refer LAM website) can immediately register as a graduate member and practice. those not from those universities, regardless being accredited by RIBA, must go through the exam as mentioned before.

- as clarified by the CAAEM member.
refer above.
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So going through this route
SPM>LUCT diploma>apply into part 1 degree(overseas LAM accredited school)>part 2 degree(overseas LAM accredited school)
Does what you said apply to me? I can immediately register as a graduate member?
Or do i have to take both exams because i did my diploma in LUCT?

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if u graduate from LAM accredited schools, u should be able to register as LAM graduate member. but whether u can do so without any problem remains to be seen.
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if u graduate from LAM accredited schools, u should be able to register as LAM graduate member. but whether u can do so without any problem remains to be seen.
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Alright.. Its good to hear that smile.gif Btw what kinds of problem will i face in the accreditation process? Does it depend on my grades?

On another issue, If i were to work overseas, all I have do is to register with the relevant board of that particular country?
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Alright.. Its good to hear that  smile.gif Btw what kinds of problem will i face in the accreditation process? Does it depend on my grades?


i really cant say.

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This is all very interesting. Thank you very much for your response. smile.gif

While the school keeps both soft & hard-copies of my works, the original copies of my works remains with me no matter what. But just only recently, the trade model storage area at Taylors architecture block has been thoroughly cleared of all its contents & cleaned up. All of my works such as the previous presentation boards, final models, conceptual models, drawings sheets, etc. has been removed for good. But thankfully I am still having the soft-copies of all my drawings & panels, & the photos of my final models. However, my conceptual models (demonstrating really interesting concepts) are gone for good as I had not took photos of them... Anyway, this is not a problem; all is well. I will continue producing works that are always better & improved over the previous. cool2.gif


Alright, here are some questions out of my curiosity once again;

When you said that "UTM's diploma now specializes on building a strong technical base", what exactly is the main "technical" emphasis on? Is it also similar for the Part 1 & Part 2 degrees?

While "UTM used to be very strong technically", I'm curious to know what is the reason for toning-down/reducing the technical aspects today (why has it been toned down)?


Regards - it is good to take a break from work. cool.gif

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This is all very interesting. Thank you very much for your response. smile.gif

While the school keeps both soft & hard-copies of my works, the original copies of my works remains with me no matter what. But just only recently, the trade model storage area at Taylors architecture block has been thoroughly cleared of all its contents & cleaned up. All of my works such as the previous presentation boards, final models, conceptual models, drawings sheets, etc. has been removed for good. But thankfully I am still having the soft-copies of all my drawings & panels, & the photos of my final models. However, my conceptual models (demonstrating really interesting concepts) are gone for good as I had not took photos of them... Anyway, this is not a problem; all is well. I will continue producing works that are always better & improved over the previous. cool2.gif
Alright, here are some questions out of my curiosity once again;

When you said that "UTM's diploma now specializes on building a strong technical base", what exactly is the main "technical" emphasis on? Is it also similar for the Part 1 & Part 2 degrees?

While "UTM used to be very strong technically", I'm curious to know what is the reason for toning-down/reducing the technical aspects today (why has it been toned down)?
Regards - it is good to take a break from work. cool.gif
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i. technical here generally referring to the ability or knowledge on construction, working drawings, structural understandings, services, by-laws, costing and so on. basically it's the science of making a building work. it's halfway towards the "engineering" part of architecture, although we dont really go that far.

so UTM diploma is now going back to its roots, by training students to be able to produce highly technical designs. this means they should be able to figure out how the glass frame sits on a steel hung structure and draw it on paper. which means most of their reference books will be about that.

ii. it's been toned down because of several reasons. one, LAM or even RIBA requirement dont need them to be able to go that high on technicalities. back then a diploma student could already design a complex 4 storey building complete with everything on it. whereas that is a requirement for degree part 1. so we have been overburdening the students for things they should learn later. imagine teaching add maths at primary school.

it is also have been toned down to make way for other emphasis on architecture such as theory, research, experiments, philosophy, culture, human behaviours, sustainability and so on. making the building workable technically is of course important. if u cant draw ur building properly, how do u expect people to construct them? but the other aspects of making a building work is also extremely important. if ur building can be built but is a magnet for crime, what's the point?

these are some of the aspects that were not focused before. so in light of specializations that UTM adopts, we realized that we need to open the students up to more possibilities. in doing so, we have to let go of certain things that have been preoccupying the students, mainly the extremely high emphasis on the technicalities.

we believe that technicalities can be learned on the go in the first 3-5 years of practice. students can refer to books and magazines, or even the firm's previous works. but the other aspects such as philosophy, they need to really understand about it before going off to work. u just have no time to develop an understanding of philosophy, culture, or human behaviours during practice, because that's where people expect u to apply ur knowledge, not gather more.

so for those joining UTM degree from 1st year, u'll be trained holistically in the early years, balancing all the aspects of architecture. towards the upper years, u'll be exploring into highly technical complexity while juggling on the other aspects. towards the end, u'll be specializing into a niche area which u're interested in and hopefully develop further more.

the UTM diploma students on the other hand will develop strong technical sense. when they join UTM, they will mix with the degree students and this is where peer-learning takes place and hopefully those skills/knowledge acquired earlier will rub off each other. the degree students will share the design exposures with the diploma graduates, while the diploma graduates will share their technical expertise.

and yes, it does mean in UTM, u cannot survive alone. we put about 60-70% of learning from peers, about 20% from lecturers and the rest on ur own. so if u're a passive, introverted KIASU, u will not survive here wink.gif. knowledge sharing is where it's at.


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interestingly, this year UTM have a smaller number of applicants for architectural degree intake, less than a thousand. i guess that's good news, because there's a better chance for all of you compared to last year wink.gif. good luck for the interviews tomorrow!

for those who didnt get the call, but really, REALLY determined to join, i recommend u to just drop by in UTM KL tomorrow or friday and request to be interviewed. they might let u in, although not necessarily will accept u. but better chance than not getting the interview at all, right? but keep this amongst u. dont tell the coordinator or invigilator that i said this!


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and i stumbled upon this today while helping a friend.

http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/highlig...tecture_degree/

so limkokwing is claiming that they offer the ONLY accredited architecture degree? kalau aku saman ni, kaya aku. tehtmc, u wanna join or not? biggrin.gif

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Im not selected for matric and diploma for architecture .
Now im only waiting for jpa, which i think i have quite low chance for it..

The last choice for me will be form 6, but izzit worth to study for 2 years non-related to architecture? taking stpm, the 2nd chance, i scored straight A in spm, then still go for the 2nd chance, izzit a good choice?

or i should just go for private U, but im kinda worry for the unaccredited cert ;S

haiz, confusingggg


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if this year's applicants are any measure of intake for next 2 years, i'd say STPM has a good chance of getting in. score 3.00 and u'll stand a fair chance. anything above than 3.5 u're almost definitely in unless u screw up during the interviews lol.
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and i stumbled upon this today while helping a friend.

http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/highlig...tecture_degree/

so limkokwing is claiming that they offer the ONLY accredited architecture degree? kalau aku saman ni, kaya aku. tehtmc, u wanna join or not? biggrin.gif
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Well, they didn't say the degree is accredited by LAM, did they? So, you can't really catch them for not being truthful.
It's MQA that their degree is accredited by, though it may not mean anything.
I am still wondering whether the B. Arch from Curtin or any other Australian uni is accredited when the lst part, the B.Applied. Sc. is not accredited. It is not a twinning program, more like a credit transfer.


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The last choice for me will be form 6, but izzit worth to study for 2 years non-related to architecture?  haiz, confusingggg

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Form 5 leavers nowadays tend to be reluctant to go through Form 6/STPM but opt for diploma/foundation.
There are merits of doing Form 6/STPM. Form 6 leavers are generally more mature in their thinking.

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just got back from interviewing the candidates for UTM degree.

overall i'm quite satisfied with what i've seen. but i'm pretty pissed off as a lot of them applied USM as well. problem is, when they apply USM with a 4flat, they'll definitely get an offer. and if they reject it, they might not get processed for UPU despite having applied.

it's a weird system this whole apex-UPU thing.
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Well, they didn't say the degree is accredited by LAM, did they? So, you can't really catch them for not being truthful.
It's MQA that their degree is accredited by, though it may not mean anything.

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Admittedly, it is rather pompous for LUCT to have placed such a bold, deceiving, & extreme statement in their website, where it also suggest an intended aggressive/desperate marketing tactic/strategy. (It is more about the deceptive method/tactic that they are using to proclaim or to advertise that program which is the issue here.)

EDIT: I don't think Taylors or the other IPTS did such a thing. biggrin.gif

Regards.

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LUCT is known for their aggressive marketing...
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Would you kindly ask your CAAEM friend if my Part 1's accredited as my last year of Bsc Arch was done and graduated with high distinction in overseas LAM accredited university. Well despite my first two years are completed in LUCT and I reckon this is rather a RPL credit transfer as reflected in my transcript.

If not, it does seem unfair to me that diploma students with credit transfer are very well accredited when they graduated from LAM Part 1 accredited Bsc Arch programs. If that's the case, I might have to go to LAM's office in the break to resolve my Part 1 so I will not have much difficulties when I acquire my Part II two years later.

By the way, LUCT's advertisement that they are the only accredited program in Malaysia (by MQA I suppose) is highly misleading and inaccurate. If no one's going to sue them for that, I will. Seriously.
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azarimy

Would you kindly ask your CAAEM friend if my Part 1's accredited as my last year of Bsc Arch was done and graduated with high distinction in overseas LAM accredited university. Well despite my first two years are completed in LUCT and I reckon this is rather a RPL credit transfer as reflected in my transcript.

If not, it does seem unfair to me that diploma students with credit transfer are very well accredited when they graduated from LAM Part 1 accredited Bsc Arch programs. If that's the case, I might have to go to LAM's office in the break to resolve my Part 1 so I will not have much difficulties when I acquire my Part II two years later.

By the way, LUCT's advertisement that they are the only accredited program in Malaysia (by MQA I suppose) is highly misleading and inaccurate. If no one's going to sue them for that, I will. Seriously.
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the problem is, any twinning programmes will NOT be recognized, however u twist it. what u should have done is finish the diploma locally, then go to ur 1st degree, and then for ur 2nd degree/masters. so working to resolve ur part 1 during the break is a very good idea. get it sorted out. do share with us the outcome.

yes, it is unfair that the diploma students get accredited, while a higher achiever who did a credit transfer like u, didnt.
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Errm, sorry. Can I ask a noob question.

If I am taking Science stream with chem n bio, can I go for architecture?
Which local U is acceptable?
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Errm, sorry. Can I ask a noob question.

If I am taking Science stream with chem n bio, can I go for architecture?
Which local U is acceptable?
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UM requires physics. but the rest are pretty much open. u should start working on ur arts as well.
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UM requires physics. but the rest are pretty much open. u should start working on ur arts as well.
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hi azarimy
i want to ask if i go for utm quantity surveryor diploma,
after the diploma can i continue architecture deegree?
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hi azarimy
i want to ask if i go for utm quantity surveryor diploma,
after the diploma can i continue architecture deegree?
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u can, but u probably cant transfer much credits. but do try.
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u can, but u probably cant transfer much credits. but do try.
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QUOTE(SoyaBamboo @ May 6 2011, 08:02 AM)
hmm, then the diploma is 2 years or 3 years?
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u wanna transfer into diploma or degree?
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i mean from QS diploma transfer to architecture deegree..
the QS diploma have to take how many years to complete?


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u wanna transfer into diploma or degree?
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i mean from QS diploma transfer to architecture deegree..
the QS diploma have to take how many years to complete?

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u must finish the diploma in order to apply to degree. so u have to sit for however long the diploma duration is. the diploma is usually 3 years.
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Assalamualaikum Mr. Azarimy smile.gif i got admitted to UTM , for dip architecture , and im soooooooooooooo happy right now rclxm9.gif
now im curious as to where the campus is ?
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Assalamualaikum Mr. Azarimy smile.gif i got admitted to UTM , for dip architecture , and im soooooooooooooo happy right now  rclxm9.gif
now im curious as to where the campus is ?
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jalan semarak, KL. didnt they tell u this when u came for the interviews?
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jalan semarak, KL. didnt they tell u this when u came for the interviews?
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oh yes , they did , i just remember it , then i'll see u in 3 years @utm skudai right? u see , during the interview , one of the interviewers is foreigner , well , is he going to be my lecturer?
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oh yes , they did , i just remember it , then i'll see u in 3 years @utm skudai right? u see , during the interview , one of the interviewers is foreigner , well , is he going to be my lecturer?
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Recently we have conducted another intake interview session, this time for the degree course. Initially we had 3 centers, but at the last minute several parents from Sabah demanded us to conduct an interview center in Kota Kinabalu. Although the School do not entertain such matters as we always believe if YOU want to join our school, you'd do anything for it. But some people in the admin caved in, and this became one of the most expensive interviews ever.

Anyways,

This year, the number of applicants was very small: less than 1000. This is contrasting to the huge number of diploma applicants (over 4500). This means our pool of students to choose from is smaller, but that also means applicants this year have better chance of getting in as there are less people to compete with wink.gif.

Despite the smaller number of applicants, this year we saw higher quality of students. Most of them are quite well prepared for the interviews, and most of them brought impressive portfolios and have given a lot of thought of joining architecture. So we were satisfied as the candidates are more mature and have some idea of what they're getting into. I personally have given some of them assurance that they will be offered a place (if they reject UM and USM's offer lol!). They were that good.

We just sat for the decision meeting yesterday evening. So we already have the final list, which will be sent to Unit Kemasukan Rekod on Monday, and forwarded to UPU by end of next week. But I don't know when UPU will announce the offers. Just to explain on the process:

i. First, the interviews take place. We assess the candidate's aptitude, drawing skills, communications and several other aspects that I cannot reveal.
ii. We then grade those criterias, and label "Amat Sesuai", "Sesuai" and "Tidak Sesuai".
iii. Then a master list is compiled including results from all four centers.
iv. Based on the grades given, we rank the candidates.
v. The "Amat Sesuai" candidates are put in the "First Intake" list.
vi. The "Sesuai" candidates are put in the "Reserve/Standby" list.
vii. The "Tidak Sesuai" candidates are dropped and will not be considered at all.
viii. The "First Intake" and "Reserve/Standby" list then is submitted to Unit Kemasukan Rekod.
ix. UKR will offer the First Intake a place, and if any should reject, the highest candidate in the Reserve/Standby list will be offered.
x. UKR will also process any appeals from the Reserve/Standby list, but will not entertain any from the Tidak Sesuai list.

This ought to give you some idea of how the system works. And that if you were not offered, doesn't mean your doors to UTM are closed entirely. We normally have 2nd or 3rd intakes, and it's absolutely possible to secure a place.

This year, we called about 180 candidates, and will be taking between 35-40 students. From the interviews, we had a large number of Amat Sesuai. However, a number of them also applied to USM architecture. So there's a big chance that they will be going for USM instead and leaving spots open. These are very good candidates and we were very impressed with them. Any school would love to have them, so I doubt USM would want to miss them. So if you think you have impressed us during the interviews but did not get any offer, do not despair. You might be in the Reserve/Standby list and all you need to do is appeal and wait for the spots to open up wink.gif.


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Wow, slightly more than the current 28~30 batch...Meriahnye
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Recently we have conducted another intake interview session, this time for the degree course. Initially we had 3 centers, but at the last minute several parents from Sabah demanded us to conduct an interview center in Kota Kinabalu. Although the School do not entertain such matters as we always believe if YOU want to join our school, you'd do anything for it. But some people in the admin caved in, and this became one of the most expensive interviews ever.


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You mean you actually flew to KK to conduct the interviews?
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You mean you actually flew to KK to conduct the interviews?
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i didnt, but my colleague did. he was first assigned to kuching for the interviews and went alone. then a few days before that, these parents complained and threatened to lodge ADUAN RAKYAT at TV3, so the UTM admins freaked out lol. so right after kuching, my colleague was sent to KK to conduct the interviews. alone. on a hari buruh weekend.
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Haha. Think of it as a holiday....

Wanna ask, you grad from UK rite? Where is a good place to do interior Architecture in UK? Got a friend's son who don't have the aptitude to do full architecture but dad wants him in the field...
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Haha. Think of it as a holiday....

Wanna ask, you grad from UK rite? Where is a good place to do interior Architecture in UK? Got a friend's son who don't have the aptitude to do full architecture but dad wants him in the field...
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i know a few places that's popular amongst malaysians, but cant really say if they're good or not...
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i know a few places that's popular amongst malaysians, but cant really say if they're good or not...
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Do UTM accept private STPM candidate? or usually private candidate has lower chances to get in?
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PM me the unis. I will look them up. If popular with Malaysian then at least he not so lonely there.  whistling.gif
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try university of arts london chelsea or that college in manchester (i forgot the actual name). my wife studied architecture in de monfort, leicester, and most of her friends there are either studying interior design or medicine. dundee has quite a popular interior design course as well, but as far as i know, most malaysians there study medicine, not interior design.

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as long as it's STPM, we dont differentiate between private and public candidates.
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Just a question that came across my head right now;

If an IPTS would to be "accredited" in the near future, will you agree that Taylors' Part 1 equivalent program will be the very first one to succeed in satisfying the "standards" required by the accreditation? (BTW yeah, Taylors SABD is VERY confident in getting it by this coming July. icon_idea.gif)

Why do you think it WILL or it will not succeed in meeting the standards of the accreditation? (Other than the fact that the program is of course still relatively new.)

Looking forward to hear especially your opinion Dr. Azarimy. cool2.gif

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Just a question that came across my head right now;

If an IPTS would to be "accredited" in the near future, will you agree that Taylors' Part 1 equivalent program will be the very first one to succeed in satisfying the "standards" required by the accreditation? (BTW yeah, Taylors SABD is VERY confident in getting it by this coming July. icon_idea.gif)

Why do you think it WILL or it will not succeed in meeting the standards of the accreditation? (Other than the fact that the program is of course still relatively new.)

Looking forward to hear especially your opinion Dr. Azarimy. cool2.gif

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ May 12 2011, 02:41 AM)
Just a question that came across my head right now;

If an IPTS would to be "accredited" in the near future, will you agree that Taylors' Part 1 equivalent program will be the very first one to succeed in satisfying the "standards" required by the accreditation? (BTW yeah, Taylors SABD is VERY confident in getting it by this coming July. icon_idea.gif)

Why do you think it WILL or it will not succeed in meeting the standards of the accreditation? (Other than the fact that the program is of course still relatively new.)

Looking forward to hear especially your opinion Dr. Azarimy. cool2.gif

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Like many other things in Bolehland, accreditation is not just a matter of merit but depends on gomen policy. If not, how do you explain why the BArch from NUS, a world-class uni has not been accredited up to this day?

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ May 11 2011, 06:41 PM)
Just a question that came across my head right now;

If an IPTS would to be "accredited" in the near future, will you agree that Taylors' Part 1 equivalent program will be the very first one to succeed in satisfying the "standards" required by the accreditation? (BTW yeah, Taylors SABD is VERY confident in getting it by this coming July. icon_idea.gif)

Why do you think it WILL or it will not succeed in meeting the standards of the accreditation? (Other than the fact that the program is of course still relatively new.)

Looking forward to hear especially your opinion Dr. Azarimy. cool2.gif

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yes. i've discussed this matter quite thoroughly with one of the CAAEM member, and he agrees that taylor's at the moment is the closest IPTS to getting accreditation. and i wont be surprised if taylor would manage to get it this july. they had the preliminary visit by CAAEM, and they were quite satisfied, minus some issues that only would take a year or two to fix.

there are lots of other reasons why an IPTS did not get accreditation. two of the major issues common to all are:

i. lack of peer learning: there's little to no evidence that peer learning occurs in the school. and we're not talking about group works here. most students are just concerned about their own self, their own works and their own grades. look at any IPTAs and u will see a stark contrast in the community.

ii. lack of facilities. most of it is about dedicated studio. in IPTAs, studio is assigned to the students, but in IPTS, the student is assigned to the studio. students share the studio with other students according to the schedule. if it's not their time, they have to go out. just like u use a classroom. LAM requires the student to have their own studio for use throughout the semester and not be shared by those not a part of their group/unit.

others like the lack of computing facilities are quite common. one IPTS actually tried to "mask" a bunch of computers into a lab just to fulfill this requirement. but when the committee checked with the students, they told them that the lab was just "assembled" 4 days before the visit. so this practically cheating the students.



so it's not impossible to achieve accreditation. UTM just finished its accreditation now. i can tell u that they are extremely objective. it's as scary as the audit system.
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UTM Accreditation is finally over. We are waiting for the official announcements of the results, but the panel have indicated the good news. It is now just a matter of formalities on the good news.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 12 2011, 05:58 PM)
yes. i've discussed this matter quite thoroughly with one of the CAAEM member, and he agrees that taylor's at the moment is the closest IPTS to getting accreditation. and i wont be surprised if taylor would manage to get it this july. they had the preliminary visit by CAAEM, and they were quite satisfied, minus some issues that only would take a year or two to fix.

there are lots of other reasons why an IPTS did not get accreditation. two of the major issues common to all are:

i. lack of peer learning: there's little to no evidence that peer learning occurs in the school. and we're not talking about group works here. most students are just concerned about their own self, their own works and their own grades. look at any IPTAs and u will see a stark contrast in the community.

ii. lack of facilities. most of it is about dedicated studio. in IPTAs, studio is assigned to the students, but in IPTS, the student is assigned to the studio. students share the studio with other students according to the schedule. if it's not their time, they have to go out. just like u use a classroom. LAM requires the student to have their own studio for use throughout the semester and not be shared by those not a part of their group/unit.

others like the lack of computing facilities are quite common. one IPTS actually tried to "mask" a bunch of computers into a lab just to fulfill this requirement. but when the committee checked with the students, they told them that the lab was just "assembled" 4 days before the visit. so this practically cheating the students.
so it's not impossible to achieve accreditation. UTM just finished its accreditation now. i can tell u that they are extremely objective. it's as scary as the audit system.
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Besides Taylor's, are there any other IPTS that are up for accreditation this year? When will the results be out? hmm.gif
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May i ask which IPTS will be the best to study architecture?
I heard taylor will get accreditation soon..

im currently doing form6, i went to some tuition classes and i was like shocking.gif very hard ;S

Should i juz start with private foundation course? but then i will miss out LAM accreditation later..

Any comment about UTAR architecture?
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Besides Taylor's, are there any other IPTS that are up for accreditation this year? When will the results be out?  hmm.gif
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i dont think any other are due this year. but i dont have the schedule wink.gif.

results are normally known during the exit meeting (between the school and the panel on the final day of the visit). they will inform whether it's ok or not. then they will have to return and write a full report, which holds the formal, official results.

QUOTE(SoyaBamboo @ May 13 2011, 12:29 PM)
May i ask which IPTS will be the best to study architecture?
I heard taylor will get accreditation soon..

im currently doing form6, i went to some tuition classes and i was like  shocking.gif  very hard ;S

Should i juz start with private foundation course? but then i will miss out LAM accreditation later..

Any comment about UTAR architecture?
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correction, taylor is due for an accreditation visit soon. dont count ur eggs before it hatches wink.gif.
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i dont think any other are due this year. but i dont have the schedule wink.gif.

results are normally known during the exit meeting (between the school and the panel on the final day of the visit). they will inform whether it's ok or not. then they will have to return and write a full report, which holds the formal, official results.
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Are you saying that Taylor's is the only IPTS to apply for LAM accreditation this year? What about accreditation visits to other IPTS's by LAM? blink.gif

I would like to know, how are we able to find out the results of the LAM accreditation? Such as success and failure of an institution of obtaining LAM accreditation. Is the info available in the LAM website? sweat.gif
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You mean this one?

http://www.lam.gov.my/List/Malaysia.htm
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Hi, I'm currently participating in a foreign exchange program and I will only be back to Malaysia in early July.

I probably missed every local U offers for architecture.

so I was wondering whether :

1) Is there any way for me to appeal for local U?

2) What would you recommend me to do in order to enroll into the field of architecture in the next following 10 years? (either study locally or overseas)

3) Is there a possiblity for me to study and get an Cambridge A-level from HELP university and enroll into UTM or UIAM after that? (or maybe overseas with scholarship)

Thank you very much.

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Hi, I'm currently participating in a foreign exchange program and I will only be back to Malaysia in early July.

I probably missed every local U offers for architecture.

so I was wondering whether :

1) Is there any way for me to appeal for local U?

2) What would you recommend me to do in order to enroll into the field of architecture in the next following 10 years? (either study locally or overseas)

3) Is there a possiblity for me to study and get an Cambridge A-level from HELP university and enroll into UTM or UIAM after that? (or maybe overseas with scholarship)

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1. did u apply through UPU earlier this year? if u didnt, then ur name will not be in the system for any appeals to be processed.

2. refer to the 1st post.

3. only UIAM and USM accepts A-levels. so there's a possibility, but only for those two IPTAs.
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I didn't apply for UPU this year, but can I apply next year?

Would you recommend to get an accreditted degree in Taylor or UCSI and sit for the test independently? And maybe apply overseas for part 2?

What about the competition to get into UIAM and USM? Do their prefer stpm or matrik instead of A level?
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I didn't apply for UPU this year, but can I apply next year?

Would you recommend to get an accreditted degree in Taylor or UCSI and sit for the test independently? And maybe apply overseas for part 2?

What about the competition to get into UIAM and USM? Do their prefer stpm or matrik instead of A level?
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yes u can. but remember SPM is only valid for 2 years if u want to use to apply to IPTA diplomas. after that u'd better go to A-levels or STPM.

IPTS architecture courses are not accredited by LAM. so please be careful and understand well what u're getting into. and yes, being unaccredited means u will have to sit for the test independently. and of course, u can apply for ur part 2 degree overseas.

as usual, any architecture courses are highly competitive. but i'm not sure of their preference between STPM, matrics or a-levels.
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hi, aza, do u hv any info about degree archi study in Singapore??
wat is the estimate tuition fees normally?
is tat our malaysia recognize SG architecture certificate?
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is it possible for art stream student (STPM) to study architecture? icon_question.gif

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hi, aza, do u hv any info about degree archi study in Singapore??
wat is the estimate tuition fees normally?
is tat our malaysia recognize SG architecture certificate?
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well, i dont have much info other than what's already there in the internet. malaysia do not recognize singaporean schools despite being recognized by RIBA because singapore themselves do not have an architecture regulatory board. there are legal matters involved that i couldnt be bothered to list here. just take it for what it is wink.gif.

but what u can do is, with the RIBA recognized degree, just sit for the LAM part 1 and 2 examination and get urself certified, no problem.

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Hello azarimy.I'm taking form 6 (science stream) now and I wanted to be an architect as well. I have asked my school counselor but he said that to take architecture, I MUST take pendidikan seni in SPM or STPM. Well, I didnt take this subject during SPM and my current form 6 school didnt provide STPM seni. I have checked some of the uni online and most of them didnt say that pendidikan seni is a MUST to apply for architecture course. I can draw and won a few of drawing competitions before. So, I would like to ask you is it ok if I didnt take seni subject before and want to apply for this course? Just want to making sure. if not, I might choose other education pathway. Thank you very much.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 17 2011, 07:22 PM)
well, i dont have much info other than what's already there in the internet. malaysia do not recognize singaporean schools despite being recognized by RIBA because singapore themselves do not have an architecture regulatory board. there are legal matters involved that i couldnt be bothered to list here. just take it for what it is wink.gif.

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They do have a regulatory body equivalent to LAM - http://boa.gov.sg/
Their setup and exams are pretty similar to LAM.
They have a wider list of accredited schools of architecture. Interestingly, the Malaysian schools are not recognized by BOA Singapore. Tit for tat?

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Art is not a subject requirement for entry into most architecture schools.

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QUOTE(Mist11 @ May 18 2011, 09:05 AM)
Hello azarimy.I'm taking form 6 (science stream) now and I wanted to be an architect as well. I have asked my school counselor but he said that to take architecture, I MUST take pendidikan seni in SPM or STPM. Well, I didnt take this subject during SPM and my current form 6 school didnt provide STPM seni. I have checked some of the uni online and most of them didnt say that pendidikan seni is a MUST to apply for architecture course. I can draw and won a few of drawing competitions before. So, I would like to ask you is it ok if I didnt take seni subject before and want to apply for this course? Just want to making sure. if not, I might choose other education pathway. Thank you very much.
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u have no idea how much misinformation school guidance counselors gave out about architecture. during interviews, i met students who applied against the advice of his counselor, who convinced his parents that architecture requires A in physics.

no we dont. and neither do we require arts in SPM or STPM.

u must be good in arts/drawings to stand a good chance during the interviews, but then again, not all school interview. and not necessarily everyone during the interview that particular year is good in arts/drawings.

QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 18 2011, 09:11 AM)
They do have a regulatory body equivalent to LAM - http://boa.gov.sg/
Their setup and exams are pretty similar to LAM.
They have a wider list of accredited schools of architecture. Interestingly, the Malaysian schools are not recognized by BOA Singapore.  Tit for tat?

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Art is not a subject requirement for entry into most architecture schools.
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sorry, i meant architecture education regulatory board, like our CAAEM.
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hi i am ex-matriculation students.. i would like to know what's the qualification for architecture fields.. does it need high profile academic background..
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hi i am ex-matriculation students.. i would like to know what's the qualification for architecture fields.. does it need high profile academic background..
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define "high profile academic background".
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um.. i mean does it need a good cgpa result for that course.. maybe 3.50 or higher..
yesterday, we got our final exam result..and i didnt get a good result..
now im afraid being 'lelong' to other weird courses.. T.T
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QUOTE(leohammerd @ May 19 2011, 02:17 AM)
um.. i mean does it need a good cgpa result for that course.. maybe 3.50 or higher..
yesterday, we got our final exam result..and i didnt get a good result..
now im afraid being 'lelong' to other weird courses.. T.T
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obtaining perfect score doesnt guarantee u will survive the grueling interviews, as some of ur mates here can attest to. it will get u to the interviews, sure. but beyond that, it's all YOU.

if u dont score a good grade for ur STPM/matriculation, expect to be thrown to lesser favourite courses.
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Hi, this is indeed a nice thread. I'd like to ask about the architecture course in UTAR(Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman). It's a total of 4 years including foundation but it's not yet accredited. Can I take the Part 1 exam after I obtained the certificate for the degree course in architecture even if the course is not accredited?
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Hi, this is indeed a nice thread. I'd like to ask about the architecture course in UTAR(Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman). It's a total of 4 years including foundation but it's not yet accredited. Can I take the Part 1 exam after I obtained the certificate for the degree course in architecture even if the course is not accredited?
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The course in UTAR, B.Sc (Architecture) is not a full architecture course. I am sure their prospectus would have stated this.
A full architecture course takes a minimum of 5 years, excluding foundation.
So, the UTAR course is meant to be Part I albeit not accredited.
Parts I & II exams are meant to be sat together and are meant for graduates with full architectural degree from unaccredited schools eg. B.Arch from the US. Therefore, a graduate with B.Sc (Architecture) is not eligible to sit for the exam.

http://lam.gov.my/download/newlamform/Hand...II)-Nov2004.pdf

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The course in UTAR, B.Sc (Architecture) is not a full architecture course. I am sure their prospectus would have stated this.
A full architecture course takes a minimum of 5 years, excluding foundation.
So, the UTAR course is meant to be Part I albeit not accredited.
Parts I & II exams are meant to be sat together and are meant for graduates with full architectural degree from unaccredited schools eg. B.Arch from the US. Therefore, a graduate with B.Sc (Architecture) is not eligible to sit for the exam.

http://lam.gov.my/download/newlamform/Hand...II)-Nov2004.pdf
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Oh...Will it be possible that UTAR extends the course duration in the future?
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Oh...Will it be possible that UTAR extends the course duration in the future?
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None of the IPTS courses in architecture are accredited.
Taylors has been conducting the same course for some years now but they have yet to start the B.Arch course. It is probably because of the issue of accreditation. I think they are being prudent not to offer a 2nd course when the lst course is not accredited.
LUCT have started their B.Arch course which is of course not accredited. It is also offered in KLIU.

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None of the IPTS courses in architecture are yet to be accredited.
Taylors has been conducting the same course for some years now but they have yet to start the B.Arch course. It is probably because of the issue of accreditation. I think they are being prudent not to offer a 2nd course when the lst course is not accredited.
LUCT have started their B.Arch course which is of course not accredited. It is also offered in KLIU.
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately it is too late for me to change my mind now. I've already decided to start foundation in UTAR.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 20 2011, 03:43 PM)
None of the IPTS courses in architecture are  accredited.
Taylors has been conducting the same course for some years now but they have yet to start the B.Arch course. It is probably because of the issue of accreditation. I think they are being prudent not to offer a 2nd course when the lst course is not accredited.
LUCT have started their B.Arch course which is of course not accredited. It is also offered in KLIU.
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actually taylor's dont have to wait to get accredited for part 1 to start part 2. UKM apparently is not accredited (i just found out about this), and they're already running both part 1 and 2, and actually have produced a part 2 (equivalent) graduate albeit unaccredited. it is actually cheaper to do both accreditation assessment rather than one by one.

but i still dont know why taylor's actually not running their part 2 yet.
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I have a few questions.

If I completed my part 1 degree in Australian or New Zealand universities such as RMIT,UQ or Uni of Auckland, am I able to pursue my part 2 degree/masters in top architecture unis in the uk such as UCL, AA and such? Do these universities accept qualifications from Australian/nz unis?

How hard/easy is it to get in with aus/nz degrees?

Any assistance rendered is much appreciated smile.gif
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I have a few questions.

If I completed my part 1 degree in Australian or New Zealand universities such as RMIT,UQ or Uni of Auckland, am I able to pursue my part 2 degree/masters in top architecture unis in the uk such as UCL, AA and such? Do these universities accept qualifications from Australian/nz unis?

How hard/easy is it to get in with aus/nz degrees?

Any assistance rendered is much appreciated  smile.gif
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i got in bartlett (UCL) masters using my measly UTM degree. some friend of mine went to AA using diploma from UTM. it's safe to say if they accept UTM diploma/degree, they definitely accept australian reputable schools'.
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i got in bartlett (UCL) masters using my measly UTM degree. some friend of mine went to AA using diploma from UTM. it's safe to say if they accept UTM diploma/degree, they definitely accept australian reputable schools'.
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That's good to know. thanks. smile.gif

Btw, how strict is the admission there? Since the AA and Bartlett being the top architecture schools in the uk, i'm guessing it's pretty hard to get in. What does it take to get a place? How is the admission process and the interviews? If you don't mind explaining your experience in getting in and the education there. sweat.gif
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That's good to know. thanks.  smile.gif

Btw, how strict is the admission there? Since the AA and Bartlett being the top architecture schools in the uk, i'm guessing it's pretty hard to get in. What does it take to get a place? How is the admission process and the interviews? If you don't mind explaining your experience in getting in and the education there.  sweat.gif
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undergraduate is a bit harder to get in compared to masters (the one i took). for masters, it's pretty straightforward. i filled out the form, enclosed 2 endorsement letters, ceevees and stuff and sent it. the next thing i know, offer conditional offer letter came in. then sorted out the scholarship thingy, and a few days letter the unconditional letter came in. then i'm off.

they would prefer an interview, but it's not always necessary. if ur ceevee and portfolio is good enough, they dont need to interview u.
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I would love to share this with those who are interested in Architecture.

It's a TV series of an Architecture school. After watching, you can expect similar situations when studying architecture later ( if you have not changed you mind after watching biggrin.gif )



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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 22 2011, 02:15 PM)
undergraduate is a bit harder to get in compared to masters (the one i took). for masters, it's pretty straightforward. i filled out the form, enclosed 2 endorsement letters, ceevees and stuff and sent it. the next thing i know, offer conditional offer letter came in. then sorted out the scholarship thingy, and a few days letter the unconditional letter came in. then i'm off.

they would prefer an interview, but it's not always necessary. if ur ceevee and portfolio is good enough, they dont need to interview u.
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Did you went there on scholarship? So basically if you have a good portfolio and cevee, the chances of getting in for the masters degree is quite good?
That's good to know. biggrin.gif

I'm actually planning to study my part 2 masters degree in the uk after completing part 1 in Aus/NZ. Based on your experience there, how was the education there? Is it as good as all the hype and what people presumed it to be? smile.gif
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QUOTE(123.abc @ May 22 2011, 06:58 PM)
Did you went there on scholarship? So basically if you have a good portfolio and cevee, the chances of getting in for the masters degree is quite good?
That's good to know.  biggrin.gif

I'm actually planning to study my part 2 masters degree in the uk after completing part 1 in Aus/NZ. Based on your experience there, how was the education there? Is it as good as all the hype and what people presumed it to be?  smile.gif
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Hi

Why did you move to study in UK after part 1?
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Hi

Why did you move to study in UK after part 1?
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Lol. I said that I was planning to do that. Haven't started my diploma yet. =)
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Lol. I said that I was planning to do that. Haven't started my diploma yet. =)
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So why do you want to do it that way?

Part 1 in Oz and Part2 in UK?
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erm, i got a few question..

1) in IPTA, 5 years for architecture, the lam part 1 part 2 exam included in the 5 years duration? or we need to take the exam seperately after 5 years?

2) for IPTS, izzit true we have to sit for part 1 exam privately and then only continue part 2? so total how long the process might take?

3) Izzit true going IPTS will be a faster route compare to IPTA? or actually they are the same?

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QUOTE(123.abc @ May 22 2011, 10:58 AM)
Did you went there on scholarship? So basically if you have a good portfolio and cevee, the chances of getting in for the masters degree is quite good?
That's good to know.  biggrin.gif

I'm actually planning to study my part 2 masters degree in the uk after completing part 1 in Aus/NZ. Based on your experience there, how was the education there? Is it as good as all the hype and what people presumed it to be?  smile.gif
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i went there on scholarship, yes. and yes, u would need good portfolio and ceevee. but truth be told, my portfolio isnt much to shout about. i never scored an A in design. the highest is A-. but i've got a good ceevee, ranging from local competitions to the director of international student event.

bottom line is, they dont only look at ur grades. portfolio and ceevees matter too.

the education in the UK is fairly different, but mostly on the approach part. they are more open, but always rigorous. they have strong motivations to succeed with their works. and success is whatever they define themselves. in malaysia, most motivation is governed by the need to get an A. and ofcourse, studying in the UK puts u very close to a lot of different countries. EU consists of a lot of different countries and cultures. so everything is within affordable range if u're staying in the UK.

my wife and i spent most of our scholarship money traveling. the rest of the students spent it on clothes, gadgets, furnitures and cars. those things i could buy later when i'm richer. but traveling? u can only do it when u have no kids to worry about. so it's either when we're young, or when we're really, really old wink.gif.

QUOTE(SoyaBamboo @ May 24 2011, 07:17 AM)
erm, i got a few question..

1) in IPTA, 5 years for architecture, the lam part 1 part 2 exam included in the 5 years duration? or we need to take the exam seperately after 5 years?

2) for IPTS, izzit true we have to sit for part 1 exam privately and then only continue part 2? so total how long the process might take?

3) Izzit true going IPTS will be a faster route compare to IPTA? or actually they are the same?

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1. in accredited IPTAs, there is no LAM part 1 and/or 2. u just finish the course, and u'll get accredited.

2. no, not really. if u plan to go to an unaccredited school for part 2, then u dont need to sit for part 1. u only required to sit for part 1 if u're going to an accredited school for part 2.

3. as compared to what?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 03:37 PM)
i went there on scholarship, yes. and yes, u would need good portfolio and ceevee. but truth be told, my portfolio isnt much to shout about. i never scored an A in design. the highest is A-. but i've got a good ceevee, ranging from local competitions to the director of international student event.

bottom line is, they dont only look at ur grades. portfolio and ceevees matter too.

the education in the UK is fairly different, but mostly on the approach part. they are more open, but always rigorous. they have strong motivations to succeed with their works. and success is whatever they define themselves. in malaysia, most motivation is governed by the need to get an A. and ofcourse, studying in the UK puts u very close to a lot of different countries. EU consists of a lot of different countries and cultures. so everything is within affordable range if u're staying in the UK.

my wife and i spent most of our scholarship money traveling. the rest of the students spent it on clothes, gadgets, furnitures and cars. those things i could buy later when i'm richer. but traveling? u can only do it when u have no kids to worry about. so it's either when we're young, or when we're really, really old wink.gif.

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Studying in the uk definitely sounds interesting. biggrin.gif What scholarship were you on? JPA?

It seems that portfolio and ceevees that are more important than grades in architecture. hmm.gif
Btw just to be sure, what's ceevee? Sorry but I'm not really sure. hehe. Care to explain? sweat.gif thx

Another question, will work experience help in the admission into the part 1 degree? I'm thinking of working for a few months or so as I will be finishing around june and will have half a year before the intake for the degree course. Will this help in gaining admission into a uni? even if it is just for a few months? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 24 2011, 08:14 AM)
So why do you want to do it that way?

Part 1 in Oz and Part2 in UK?
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Well to me, we can learn alot through exposure and travelling. Compared to just staying in one place, the experience when being and living in different places will definitely help you in life and give you a different perspective on things and on life. If given the chance to live in different continents, wouldn't you? I definitely will my friend wink.gif

After finishing my diploma, i'd probably be studying in Aus or NZ as they are not as strict on admission into their part 1. Most of the unis there will recognise diploma as an entry requirement into the 2nd year or so. Unlike uk universities, which are more strict about admission. Most of the unis will not accept diplomas especially if its architecture. I also have family in aus and have been there several times and i loved the place.

Uk is no doubt one of the best places to study architecture. With great architecture all around you its sure to be inspiring. And with unis like the bartlett and AA, it makes it even better. If i can I'd definitely want to study there. With a part 1 degree i'm guessing it'll be easier to enter into the unis there for the part 2 smile.gif

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Studying in the uk definitely sounds interesting.  biggrin.gif What scholarship were you on? JPA?

It seems that portfolio and ceevees that are more important than grades in architecture.  hmm.gif
Btw just to be sure, what's ceevee? Sorry but I'm not really sure. hehe. Care to explain? sweat.gif thx

Another question, will work experience help in the admission into the part 1 degree? I'm thinking of working for a few months or so as I will be finishing around june and will have half a year before the intake for the degree course. Will this help in gaining admission into a uni? even if it is just for a few months?  hmm.gif

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i was on JPA-UTM scholarship.

ceevee = curriculum vitae.

and yes, portfolio and ceevees are more important than grades in architecture.

they dont expect work experience for part 1. so most of the time, they just disregard it unless u worked under zaha hadid or some big shot architect prior to part 1. but for part 2, yes, work experience counts.

and btw, work experience is usually counted by YEARS, not months wink.gif.
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1. in accredited IPTAs, there is no LAM part 1 and/or 2. u just finish the course, and u'll get accredited.

2. no, not really. if u plan to go to an unaccredited school for part 2, then u dont need to sit for part 1. u only required to sit for part 1 if u're going to an accredited school for part 2.

3. as compared to what?
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ic..

i mean if i go IPTS for architecture, will i graduate faster than those who go IPTA? since they go 2 years form 6, while IPTS requires 1 year foundation..

and if after i graduate from a unaccredited school ( part 2 unaccredited), then i have to sit for the part 1 and 2 exam? or only part 2 exam?

actually the thing tat troubled me for now is the time taken to finish the course, i want to graduate as fast as possible unsure.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 04:46 PM)
i was on JPA-UTM scholarship.

ceevee = curriculum vitae.

and yes, portfolio and ceevees are more important than grades in architecture.

they dont expect work experience for part 1. so most of the time, they just disregard it unless u worked under zaha hadid or some big shot architect prior to part 1. but for part 2, yes, work experience counts.

and btw, work experience is usually counted by YEARS, not months wink.gif.
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I see. So your that saying work experience wont help in my admission into a part 1 uni? Can't work experience be counted in the ceevee then? hmm.gif

What about admission into a part 1 degree? Is it also based on portfolio and cevees?
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QUOTE(SoyaBamboo @ May 24 2011, 10:25 AM)
ic..

i mean if i go IPTS for architecture, will i graduate faster than those who go IPTA? since they go 2 years form 6, while IPTS requires 1 year foundation..

and if after i graduate from a unaccredited school ( part 2 unaccredited),  then i have to sit for the part 1 and 2 exam? or only part 2 exam?

actually the thing tat troubled me for now is the time taken to finish the course, i want to graduate as fast as possible  unsure.gif
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sure, u will graduate earlier. but at what cost? how many IPTS students actually passed the accreditation exam? now that is a question none have actually asked here. why risk your future just for the sake of graduating 1 year earlier? is it really worth it?

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I see. So your that saying work experience wont help in my admission into a part 1 uni? Can't work experience be counted in the ceevee then? hmm.gif

What about admission into a part 1 degree? Is it also based on portfolio and cevees?
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like i said, work experience normally counted by the years. so if u have any prior experience less than a year, usually it's just going to sit there in ur ceevee to look pretty wink.gif. but it may add a bit to ur credibility should it come to a tie-breaker situation.
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Mr. Azarimy, I have emailed PAM about accreditation of the LICT>Overseas recognised part 1&2 degree and have received different replies.

This is what i have received from the Executive Secretary of PAM, Zarina Ibrahim:

"Completing both Part I and Part II from LAM accredited course either from a local or overseas school of architecture will exempt the student from the LAM Part I and Part II Examinations.
Without any details supplied, the answers to the questions posed along with the stated situation will be :-
YES - LAM will recognise both Part I and II from a LAM accredited course from a school of architecture,
YES - you are exempted from LAM Part I and II Examinations, and thus NO to having to take the LAM Part I and II Examinations."

I have also received another reply from PAM Sarawak:

"Stated below is the reply from one of our architect on your questions.
I believe that for architecture courses to be exempted from part 1 &
2, the course need to be 'full time at the campus' of the institution.

So, I am assuming that if he does part of his course at Lim Kok Wing
then transfer to another recognized institution, he would still need
to go thru part 1 & 2 assessment by LAM."


I'm confused as I have sent both PAM and PAM Sarawak Chapter the same email detailing the path of which i'm planning to take. Which is the LICT credit transfer to an overseas recognised part 1&2 degree. blink.gif

If you dont mind, which of this is the right answer? Will I or will I not be eligible to be exempted from the part 1&2 LAM exams? Mind to clarify?


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like i said, work experience normally counted by the years. so if u have any prior experience less than a year, usually it's just going to sit there in ur ceevee to look pretty wink.gif. but it may add a bit to ur credibility should it come to a tie-breaker situation.
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So for my work experience to be counted it has to be at least a year? Does it have to be continuous? Alright then. Thanks. smile.gif

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Mr. Azarimy, I have emailed PAM about accreditation of the LICT>Overseas recognised part 1&2 degree and have received different replies.

This is what i have received from the Executive Secretary of PAM, Zarina Ibrahim:

"Completing both Part I and Part II from LAM accredited course either from a local or overseas school of architecture will exempt the student from the LAM Part I and Part II Examinations.
Without any details supplied, the answers to the questions posed along with the stated situation will be :-
YES - LAM will recognise both Part I and II from a LAM accredited course from a school of architecture,
YES - you are exempted from LAM Part I and II Examinations, and thus NO to having to take the LAM Part I and II Examinations."

I have also received another reply from PAM Sarawak:

"Stated below is the reply from one of our architect on your questions.
I believe that for architecture courses to be exempted from part 1 &
2, the course need to be 'full time at the campus' of the institution.

So, I am assuming that if he does part of his course at Lim Kok Wing
then transfer to another recognized institution, he would still need
to go thru part 1 & 2 assessment by LAM."
I'm confused as I have sent both PAM and PAM Sarawak Chapter the same email detailing the path of which i'm planning to take. Which is the LICT credit transfer to an overseas recognised part 1&2 degree.  blink.gif

If you dont mind, which of this is the right answer? Will I or will I not be eligible to be exempted from the part 1&2 LAM exams? Mind to clarify?


Added on May 24, 2011, 10:44 pm

So for my work experience to be counted it has to be at least a year? Does it have to be continuous? Alright then. Thanks.  smile.gif
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why did u email PAM, where the body controlling the accreditation is LAM? these are two different bodies. u should've emailed LAM and get a straight answer.

if u observe carefully, both are indeed correct. the secretary of PAM was indeed correct. she just missed the part that it must be done in a particular institution full time. LUCT have a knack of circumventing this ruling by declaring that their degree is 3+0, meaning u will be doing it in a particular campus full time entirely. the trick is, instead of u going abroad for a 2+1 programme, they will bring the examiners from overseas here, and then call it a full time course.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 10:49 PM)
why did u email PAM, where the body controlling the accreditation is LAM? these are two different bodies. u should've emailed LAM and get a straight answer.

if u observe carefully, both are indeed correct. the secretary of PAM was indeed correct. she just missed the part that it must be done in a particular institution full time. LUCT have a knack of circumventing this ruling by declaring that their degree is 3+0, meaning u will be doing it in a particular campus full time entirely. the trick is, instead of u going abroad for a 2+1 programme, they will bring the examiners from overseas here, and then call it a full time course.
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I did in fact email LAM but I haven't received any reply. It has already been almost a month since.

So does this mean that if i did my diploma in LUCT and then transfer to a recognised part 1&2 degree, my degrees wont be recognised because that the part 1 degree is not done fully at the recognised institution? I'm not planning to study the degree course in luct or any other ipts's as i know it wont be recognised even if i transfered. I am however unsure about the diploma>degree recognition. icon_question.gif

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I did in fact email LAM but I haven't received any reply. It has already been almost a month since.

So does this mean that if i did my diploma in LUCT and then transfer to a recognised part 1&2 degree, my degrees wont be recognised because the part 1 degree is not done fully at the recognised institution? I'm not planning to study the degree course in luct or any other ipts's as i know it wont be recognised even if i transfered. I am however unsure about the diploma>degree recognition.  icon_question.gif
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first of all, no diploma programme in malaysia is accredited, simply because diploma is sub part 1.

but the thing is, a twinning programme such as a 3+0 is not recognized by LAM as a diploma. a diploma should be awarded by the university where u did it. that's the definition that they use.

most IPTS diploma follow this format. which is why taylor's abandoned the diploma programme and concentrates on the degree. there's no point milking a cow that's already dry.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 11:31 PM)
first of all, no diploma programme in malaysia is accredited, simply because diploma is sub part 1.

but the thing is, a twinning programme such as a 3+0 is not recognized by LAM as a diploma. a diploma should be awarded by the university where u did it. that's the definition that they use.

most IPTS diploma follow this format. which is why taylor's abandoned the diploma programme and concentrates on the degree. there's no point milking a cow that's already dry.
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What I am planning to take is not the 3+0 degree but the LUCT diploma where i'd then do a credit transfer into a recognized degree. Isn't the LUCT diploma awarded by LUCT itself? unless i am wrong.. Or are you saying that for my degree to be recognized the diploma has to be done in the school where i am going to do the recognized part 1 degree? blink.gif I don quite get it. hmm.gif

But back to the question,
Will LAM recognize my part 1&2 degree if i did a credit transfer into a recognized part 1 degree from the LUCT diploma?

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QUOTE(123.abc @ May 24 2011, 03:44 PM)
What I am planning to take is not the 3+0 degree but the LUCT diploma where i'd then do a credit transfer into a recognized degree. Isn't the LUCT diploma awarded by LUCT itself? unless i am wrong.. Or are you saying that for my degree to be recognized the diploma has to be done in the school where i am going to do the recognized part 1 degree?  blink.gif I don quite get it.  hmm.gif 

But back to the question,
Will LAM recognize my part 1&2 degree if i did a credit transfer into a recognized part 1 degree from the LUCT diploma?
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i'm going to say unlikely. this is based on previous cases.
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i'm going to say unlikely. this is based on previous cases.
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Hmmmm.. But is it possible? blink.gif
So does this mean that all diploma holders will face the same problem? Even if its the UTM diploma? blink.gif If its not recognized it means that I have to take the part 1 exam? Or do i go through assessment, interviews and so on to get my degree recognized?

What about the part 2 exam? Do I have to take the exam? Or do I have to take the part 1 exam individually first so that my part 2 will be recognized?
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Hmmmm.. But is it possible?  blink.gif
So does this mean that all diploma holders will face the same problem? Even if its the UTM diploma?  blink.gif If its not recognized it means that I have to take the part 1 exam? Or do i go through assessment, interviews and so on to get my degree recognized?

What about the part 2 exam? Do I have to take the exam? Or do I have to take the part 1 exam individually first so that my part 2 will be recognized?
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UTM diploma is not a 3+0.

if it's not recognized, then u will need to take the exams. all of it. assessment + interviews is part of the exam.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 25 2011, 12:14 AM)
UTM diploma is not a 3+0.

if it's not recognized, then u will need to take the exams. all of it. assessment + interviews is part of the exam.
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Is LUCT's diploma a 3+0? blink.gif

What about the part 2?

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Is LUCT's diploma a 3+0?  blink.gif

What about the part 2?
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it was a 3+0 last time i checked.

and what about the part 2? it's not accredited. simple as that.
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it was a 3+0 last time i checked.

and what about the part 2? it's not accredited. simple as that.
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It is? I thought the diploma was awarded by LUCT itself? How do I check if it is? By 3+0 what do you mean exactly? blink.gif


Added on May 25, 2011, 1:04 amAccording to the website, http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/courses...ral_technology/ it states that "Certification is awarded by Limkokwing University." on the top right corner. It doesn't say that the course is a 3+0 progamme. Unlike the Bachelor of Applied Science (Architectural Science) (3+0) which clearly states that it is a 3+0 programme and is jointly offered and awarded by curtin, http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/courses...ctural_science/

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It is? I thought the diploma was awarded by LUCT itself? How do I check if it is? By 3+0 what do you mean exactly?  blink.gif


Added on May 25, 2011, 1:04 amAccording to the website, http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/courses...ral_technology/ it states that "Certification is awarded by Limkokwing University." on the top right corner. It doesn't say that the course is a 3+0 progamme. Unlike the Bachelor of Applied Science (Architectural Science) (3+0) which clearly states that it is a 3+0 programme and is jointly offered and awarded by curtin, http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/courses...ctural_science/
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yeah. according to their website, they are the only accredited architecture degree in malaysia, right?
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yeah. according to their website, they are the only accredited architecture degree in malaysia, right?
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So your saying that the diploma is not awarded by LUCT? Who is it awarded by? How is it a 3+0?
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I just managed to survive through my final crit today; for diploma, and it was incredibly awful to say the least...

I was among the first candidate to present my work, and it all went on quite smoothly at the beginning, but then everything started spiraling downhill afterwards as one of the crits started slamming my presentation-boards, design-concept, and design; really hard.

After the crit, I thought I was in deep trouble..., until I saw the very same crit doing the exact same thing to the rest, and even harder & worse; until one student cried.

Nevertheless, I have never undergone such a negative & awful crit session before.

Normally, I always feel very good, successful, & complete after my final crits (in previous sems), but this particular final one (today) really makes me think-more-than-twice about how good (or suitable for architecture) I really actually am. (It is digging-up the sour-truth.)

In fact, this whole final studio subject (for this final semester) was already hinting very hard at me (at a somewhat terrifying manner); that architecture might not be for me.

Having consistently scored a B grade for all of my previous studio subjects, this semester's studio "questioned my previous grades" & claimed to be completely different...; it seek to dig-out the complete truth in me, then thoroughly analyze it, then treat the matter individually, & then finally count it against me when applicable. (I would be expecting my grades for this semester's studio to be very different...)

In fact, it has been very clearly "hinted" in the last days that many will "definitely" fail, and be repeating this studio subject again next semester...

BTW, this is in Taylors. icon_idea.gif

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Azarimy,

Can u pls advise for the following path,

1, IPTS diploma, utm part1 , Utm part 2 - Recognize by LAM ?

2, Taylor diploma, UTM (Part 1) , Melboune U ( part 2) - Recognise by LAM ?

3, Taylor diploma, Melbourne U ( Part 1) , Melbourne U ( Part 2) - Recognse by LAM?

4, Utm diploma, U of Tasmania ( Part 1) , U of Tasmania (Part 2) - Recognise by LAM?


thanks for ur advise

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ May 25 2011, 01:32 AM)
I just managed to survive through my final crit today; for diploma, and it was incredibly awful to say the least...

I was among the first candidate to present my work, and it all went on quite smoothly at the beginning, but then everything started spiraling downhill afterwards as one of the crits started slamming my presentation-boards, design-concept, and design; really hard.

After the crit, I thought I was in deep trouble..., until I saw the very same crit doing the exact same thing to the rest, and even harder & worse; until one student cried.

Nevertheless, I have never undergone such a negative & awful crit session before.

Normally, I always feel very good, successful, & complete after my final crits (in previous sems), but this particular final one (today) really makes me think-more-than-twice about how good (or suitable for architecture) I really actually am. (It is digging-up the sour-truth.)

In fact, this whole final studio subject (for this final semester) was already hinting very hard at me (at a somewhat terrifying manner); that architecture might not be for me.

Having consistently scored a B grade for all of my previous studio subjects, this semester's studio "questioned my previous grades" & claimed to be completely different...; it seek to dig-out the complete truth in me, then thoroughly analyze it, then treat the matter individually, & then finally count it against me when applicable. (I would be expecting my grades for this semester's studio to be very different...)

In fact, it has been very clearly "hinted" in the last days that many will "definitely" fail, and be repeating this studio subject again next semester...

BTW, this is in Taylors. icon_idea.gif

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A wee bit lost here rclxub.gif

By Part 1 and 2 mentioned here

Does that equate to BArch as part 1 and MArch as part 2?

My understanding is BArch takes nrmally takes 4 years and MArch an addtional year

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 25 2011, 10:25 AM)
A wee bit lost here  rclxub.gif

By Part 1 and 2 mentioned here

Does that equate to BArch as part 1 and MArch as part 2? 

My understanding is BArch takes nrmally takes 4 years and MArch an addtional year

TIA  smile.gif
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Some unis have changed to calling their BArch, 'MArch', just to make it sound better.
They mean the same thing
Whatever you call it, the architecture degree takes a min. of 5 years to complete (never 4 years)
Anything less is not a degree in architecture, or Part II if you like.
Actually, Part I & 2 do not come into the picture unless your degree is not accredited by LAM.

Judging from the questions asked here, it'amazes me how common that school leavers get misinformed about the pathway to getting the Architecture degree.
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So your saying that the diploma is not awarded by LUCT? Who is it awarded by? How is it a 3+0?
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foreign university, is it not? if it is a full time, then it should be no problem. but then again, why is it that not many of the diploma graduates eventually get accredited after their degree? this begs the question.

QUOTE(indahjaya @ May 24 2011, 06:55 PM)
Azarimy,

Can u pls advise for the following path,

1, IPTS diploma, utm part1 , Utm part 2 - Recognize by LAM ?

2, Taylor diploma, UTM (Part 1) , Melboune U ( part 2) - Recognise      by LAM  ?

3, Taylor diploma, Melbourne U ( Part 1) , Melbourne U ( Part 2) - Recognse by LAM?

4, Utm diploma,  U of Tasmania ( Part 1) , U of Tasmania (Part 2) - Recognise by LAM?
thanks for ur advise
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1. yes.
2. yes.
3. should be.
4. yes.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 25 2011, 02:25 AM)
A wee bit lost here  rclxub.gif

By Part 1 and 2 mentioned here

Does that equate to BArch as part 1 and MArch as part 2? 

My understanding is BArch takes nrmally takes 4 years and MArch an addtional year

TIA  smile.gif
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nope. BArch is always part 2.

part 2 can be either BArch or MArch. and yes, that means Masters of Architecture is equal to a Bachelor of Architecture (or vice versa).

part 1 usually is a BSc in "something". like BSc in Architectural Science, BSc in Architectural Technologies etc.

and no BArch is ever 4 years. the closest is BSc in Architectural Science (UiTM) which is 4 years after SPM.
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QUOTE(Bonetoad @ May 25 2011, 09:52 AM)
This is normal la dey. If you have the passion for it, don't stop trying, don't give up. Now is the time to look back at which area you are lacking and try to improve it.
No one said it's gonna be easy  smile.gif
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Sometimes, you need to be thick-skinned to survive in architecture. wink.gif
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 25 2011, 04:30 AM)
Some unis have changed to calling their BArch, 'MArch', just to make it sound better.
They mean the same thing
Whatever you call it, the architecture degree takes a min. of 5 years to complete (never 4 years)
Anything less is not a degree in architecture, or Part II if you like.
Actually, Part I & 2 do not come into the picture unless your degree is not accredited by LAM.

Judging from the questions asked here, it'amazes me how common that school leavers get misinformed about the pathway to getting the Architecture degree.
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yeah. it would even be more amazing if u were to sit next to me interviewing these kids. they have been misinformed by the school counselors about architecture, and came into the interviews bearing such misinformation.

i've already written a proposition paper to UTM admin. i'm proposing to have a roadshow to go to schools, particularly targeting the school counselors and informing them about architecture. and maybe put the architectural paths chart (from 1st page) at the notice board of each school so that students can decide where they wanna go.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 25 2011, 12:32 PM)

part 2 can be either BArch or MArch. and yes, that means Masters of Architecture is equal to a Bachelor of Architecture (or vice versa).

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 25 2011, 12:32 PM)
foreign university, is it not? if it is a full time, then it should be no problem. but then again, why is it that not many of the diploma graduates eventually get accredited after their degree? this begs the question.
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Well as far as i know and what i have been informed, the diploma is a full time course awarded and delivered by LUCT itself. Unlike the Bachelor of Applied Science (Architectural Science) (3+0) which is a 3+0 and is awarded by curtin. I'll try to check more into it but i'm pretty sure the diploma is from LUCT itself but not the curtin degree.

If there's anyone who can give some proof to this or otherwise please don't hesitate to. smile.gif

But if it is indeed a full time and not a 3+0, does this mean that it is possible to be accredited after completing a part 1 recognized degree?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 25 2011, 02:00 PM)
Hows Masters   equal to Bachelor?   rclxub.gif
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It's just a name.

lst degree - B.Sc (Architecture) - This degree does not have much value in the job market.
2nd degree - B. Arch or M. Arch - You are called a 'graduate architect'.

When they change the B.Arch to M.Arch, I don't know what the new name is for the previous M. Arch, which people use to do after their B.Arch. rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(123.abc @ May 25 2011, 03:16 PM)
Well as far as i know and what i have been informed, the diploma is a full time course awarded and delivered by LUCT itself. Unlike the Bachelor of Applied Science (Architectural Science) (3+0) which is a 3+0 and is awarded by curtin. I'll try to check more into it but i'm pretty sure the diploma is from LUCT itself but not the curtin degree.

If there's anyone who can give some proof to this or otherwise please don't hesitate to.  smile.gif

But if it is indeed a full time and not a 3+0, does this mean that it is possible to be accredited after completing a part 1 recognized degree?
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Curtin used to have a twinning programme with LUCT many years back but that was discontinued. Neither LUCT's diploma nor the degree is now awarded by Curtin. Students can further their studies in Curtin Perth by credit transfer just like students from Taylors. The BArch you get would still not be accredited by LAM. So it really makes no difference in terms of recognition whether you do your BArch in LUCT or Curtin.

The degree is either accredited or not accredited. Anything is possible if you talk about the future. You want to take the risk?

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Hows Masters  equal to Bachelor?  rclxub.gif
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To confuse you even more, they call it Diploma (RIBA part 2) in UK. hahah, but they're the same thing.
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QUOTE(Bonetoad @ May 25 2011, 08:03 PM)
To confuse you even more, they call it Diploma (RIBA part 2) in UK. hahah, but they're the same thing.
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So a Diploma in Uk is equivalent to a MArch elsewhere?

Dip in what?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 25 2011, 01:52 PM)
So a Diploma in Uk is equivalent to a MArch elsewhere?

Dip in what?
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the point is, in architecture, all u should care is the professional level they carry. if school A offers diploma (part 2), it will be equal to school B's masters (part 2). because at the end of the day, it's the professional level that's important. which means there's no point bragging about ur unaccredited degree in front of an accredited diploma holder wink.gif.


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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 25 2011, 12:33 PM)
Sometimes, you need to be thick-skinned to survive in architecture.    wink.gif
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This is not always true. icon_idea.gif

Last semester in studio, one of our best student presented his works to the crits in an "incredibly" confident manner, and his spoken English was also incredibly fluent throughout the presentation. In fact, he was so confident & fluent that it was as if that particular presentation was already his "second nature".

Well, all of us than expected a great response from the crits, and all of us were also beginning to feel very nervous that we are all just not as good as that guy, and that we all will definitely fare terribly compared to him.

But what happened next shocked us instead; everything went the complete opposite direction from the positive expectations we were all having. The crits instead gave this top guy one of the worse & hardest "shelling" we have ever seen. (I was literally shivering just watching it.)

The crits literally "devastated" the 'ego' of this top guy and effectively "destroyed" his confidence by 101%. (And it certainly made a very negative impact on this top guy's studio performance ever since till the very end.)

So as you can see, being thick-skinned or "full of confidence & ego" could end up landing you in some very serious trouble instead. wink.gif

Regards.


Added on May 25, 2011, 11:01 pm
QUOTE(Bonetoad @ May 25 2011, 09:52 AM)
This is normal la dey. If you have the passion for it, don't stop trying, don't give up. Now is the time to look back at which area you are lacking and try to improve it.
No one said it's gonna be easy  smile.gif
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Well, it seems like everybody is just trying to "change" you out there...

Regards.

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ May 25 2011, 02:58 PM)
This is not always true.  icon_idea.gif

Last semester in studio, one of our best student presented his works to the crits in an "incredibly" confident manner, and his spoken English was also incredibly fluent throughout the presentation. In fact, he was so confident & fluent that it was as if that particular presentation was already his "second nature".

Well, all of us than expected a great response from the crits, and all of us were also beginning to feel very nervous that we are all just not as good as that guy, and that we all will definitely fare terribly compared to him.

But what happened next shocked us instead; everything went the complete opposite direction from the positive expectations we were all having. The crits instead gave this top guy one of the worse & hardest "shelling" we have ever seen. (I was literally shivering just watching it.)

The crits literally "devastated" the 'ego' of this top guy and effectively "destroyed" his confidence by 101%. (And it certainly made a very negative impact on this top guy's studio performance ever since till the very end.)

So as you can see, being thick-skinned or "full of confidence & ego" could end up landing you in some very serious trouble instead. wink.gif

Regards.


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Well, it seems like everybody is just trying to "change" you out there...

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being over-confident is not the same as being thick skinned. thick skinned means u can take a barrage of assaults without breaking an emotion. sometimes examiners do this to break ur ego just for the sake of it. if u could somehow hold on, expect great results. but if u break, they will all jump at the opportunity to disarm u and wreak havoc.

u should attend crits by Ar PM Saari Omar (UM), Ar PM Jaafar (UTM/LUCT) or Dato' Amer (LAM). these people dont hold back. once u let them loose, they really go to town.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 25 2011, 05:56 PM)
It's just a name.

lst degree - B.Sc (Architecture) -  This degree does not have much value in the job market.
2nd degree - B. Arch or M. Arch - You are called a 'graduate architect'.

When they change the B.Arch to M.Arch, I don't know what the new name is for the previous M. Arch, which people use to do after their B.Arch.  rolleyes.gif


Added on May 25, 2011, 6:09 pm

Curtin used to have a twinning programme with LUCT many years back but that was discontinued.  Neither LUCT's diploma nor the degree is now awarded by Curtin.  Students can further their studies in Curtin Perth by credit transfer just like students from Taylors.  The BArch you get would still not be accredited by LAM.  So it really makes no difference in terms of recognition whether you do your BArch in LUCT or Curtin.

The degree is either accredited or not accredited.  Anything is possible if you talk about the future. You want to take the risk?
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Is it possible to enter into year one of an accredited degree halfway through the diploma? Lets say i have completed 2 years of the diploma, and instead of entering year 2 of the degree like full diploma holders, i apply into the first year. Is that possible? Will the university accept me with a partial diploma? Has anyone done this before? hmm.gif

If i was successful in doing so will my degree be accredited? As the degree will be completed full time(3 years) at the recognized university. hmm.gif

Azarimy, mind to comment on this too? sweat.gif
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hi, I want to ask what's the difference between bachelor of architecture and bachelor of environments/environmentaldesign?


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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 25 2011, 11:42 PM)
being over-confident is not the same as being thick skinned. thick skinned means u can take a barrage of assaults without breaking an emotion. sometimes examiners do this to break ur ego just for the sake of it. if u could somehow hold on, expect great results. but if u break, they will all jump at the opportunity to disarm u and wreak havoc.

u should attend crits by Ar PM Saari Omar (UM), Ar PM Jaafar (UTM/LUCT) or Dato' Amer (LAM). these people dont hold back. once u let them loose, they really go to town.
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Well, that top guy literally tried to hold on to his presentation by further justifying (yes, he is thick skinned), but the crit immediately "blasted him off" by saying: "PLEASE - STOP - AT - ONCE, because you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (!) to justify at all!! If you think this is an "English Literature" class, or about how good your English is, then you are in the WRONG course!!! (Then the crit continued telling the guy off & "assaulting" his work, while the whole class was "pin-drop" silent.)

Anyway;

I am also the type that "justifies" in general, and certainly so when it comes to my works. But back in my mind, there is always this "conscience" (that says) that I must also pay "respect" to the crits by listening, giving in, & agreeing after a certain-limit has been reached. (So usually you will never find me persisting on & on with my justifications when the crits still continue disagreeing with me - I just do NOT want it all to end up in a big argument/squabble with the crits.) In addition, it is also like: "I have already just presented the whole idea in such a concise/detailed manner; do I need to repeat myself all over again???" (Because very often, it always seems like they have NOT heard what I have presented, and commented on things that was already "justified" in my words & presentation - so do I need to repeat myself once again like a robot?) Usually I don't really bother repeating what I have already said (to avoid sounding like a broken-record.) - It is more like "I've already mentioned it all to you in such a 'perfect' manner, but now you are still disagreeing; so be it!

Tell me if I am wrong. unsure.gif

Regards.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 25 2011, 10:55 PM)
the point is, in architecture, all u should care is the professional level they carry. if school A offers diploma (part 2), it will be equal to school B's masters (part 2). because at the end of the day, it's the professional level that's important. which means there's no point bragging about ur unaccredited degree in front of an accredited diploma holder wink.gif.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 25 2011, 11:42 PM)

u should attend crits by Ar PM Saari Omar (UM), Ar PM Jaafar (UTM/LUCT) or Dato' Amer (LAM). these people dont hold back. once u let them loose, they really go to town.
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Their Egos are probably as Big as their heads... biggrin.gif

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Is it possible to enter into year one of an accredited degree halfway through the diploma? Lets say i have completed 2 years of the diploma, and instead of entering year 2 of the degree like full diploma holders, i apply into the first year. Is that possible? Will the university accept me with a partial diploma? Has anyone done this before?  hmm.gif

If i was successful in doing so will my degree be accredited? As the degree will be completed full time(3 years) at the recognized university.  hmm.gif 

Azarimy, mind to comment on this too?  sweat.gif
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no. unless the IPTA's willing to allow some credit transfer equivalent to a pre-university course. but most of the time, the answer is a simple no. i've never seen anybody successfully pulled that off. well, not in UTM anyways.

QUOTE(Snaafu @ May 25 2011, 07:06 PM)
hi, I want to ask what's the difference between bachelor of architecture and bachelor of environments/environmentaldesign?
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Bachelor of Architecture is a part 2 programme. Bachelor of Env/Envrmental Design is probably part 1, if it's architecture.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ May 25 2011, 10:15 PM)
Well, that top guy literally tried to hold on to his presentation by further justifying (yes, he is thick skinned), but the crit immediately "blasted him off" by saying: "PLEASE - STOP - AT - ONCE, because you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (!) to justify at all!! If you think this is an "English Literature" class, or about how good your English is, then you are in the WRONG course!!! (Then the crit continued telling the guy off & "assaulting" his work, while the whole class was "pin-drop" silent.)

Anyway;

I am also the type that "justifies" in general, and certainly so when it comes to my works. But back in my mind, there is always this "conscience" (that says) that I must also pay "respect" to the crits by listening, giving in, & agreeing after a certain-limit has been reached. (So usually you will never find me persisting on & on with my justifications when the crits still continue disagreeing with me - I just do NOT want it all to end up in a big argument/squabble with the crits.) In addition,  it is also like: "I have already just presented the whole idea in such a concise/detailed manner; do I need to repeat myself all over again???" (Because very often, it always seems like they have NOT heard what I have presented, and commented on things that was already "justified" in my words & presentation - so do I need to repeat myself once again like a robot?) Usually I don't really bother repeating what I have already said (to avoid sounding like a broken-record.) - It is more like "I've already mentioned it all to you in such a 'perfect' manner, but now you are still disagreeing; so be it!

Tell me if I am wrong. unsure.gif

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u're lecturing. it's supposed to be a debate. wink.gif.

we train our students to conduct a dialogue, argue and justify their design based on proper fact and action. if u just prepare a lecture-like text, prepare to get bombarded. dont u have a subject specific for verbal communication? we do.

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Here's a list of recognized school in Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand and United Kingdom from LAM

http://www.lam.gov.my/List/Malaysia.htm

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Bachelor of Architecture is a part 2 programme. Bachelor of Env/Envrmental Design is probably part 1, if it's architecture.
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Looks like B Arch is not always a part 2.
Lookie at Oz.....looks like its part1. MArch is part2.

http://www.lam.gov.my/List/Australia.htm

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 27 2011, 12:18 AM)
Looks like  B Arch is not always a part 2.
Lookie at Oz.....looks like its part1. MArch is part2.

http://www.lam.gov.my/List/Australia.htm

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BArch is ALWAYS LAM part 2.

but LAM part 2 can either be BArch or MArch.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 27 2011, 10:43 AM)
BArch is ALWAYS LAM part 2.   - not always, not when the BArch is not in LAM's list.

but LAM part 2 can either be BArch or MArch.

LAM Part 2 could also be Dip Arch (from AA), Dip Adv Arch (previously ITM and the UK polys)


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u should attend crits by Ar PM Saari Omar (UM), Ar PM Jaafar (UTM/LUCT) or Dato' Amer (LAM). these people dont hold back. once u let them loose, they really go to town.


You mean Dato Dr Ar Amer Hamzah? Thought he's not in the academic field, he's head of CAEM. How come he gets involved in crits?


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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 26 2011, 12:05 PM)
u're lecturing. it's supposed to be a debate. wink.gif.

we train our students to conduct a dialogue, argue and justify their design based on proper fact and action. if u just prepare a lecture-like text, prepare to get bombarded. dont u have a subject specific for verbal communication? we do.
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Yes, I am the type that prepares very extensive/in-dept "lecture like texts/presentations" for my works & crits; while all of the rest (of my classmates) they just prefer to speak naturally/spontaneously to the crits instead.

Everyone was bombarded really hard/mercilessly by the crits anyway.

Our program/course did not provide us with verbal communication subject(s) specific for our architectural subjects, however, we did have our respective (compulsory) standard English classes at the beginning; with presentation assignments, if that is considered the verbal communication training you are referring to? (Throughout the course, we also had loads of presentations to handle in most of the others subjects anyway, that often tend to emphasize on presentation skills as well...)

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You mean Dato Dr Ar Amer Hamzah? Thought he's not in the academic field, he's head of CAEM. How come he gets involved in crits?
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Last semester, I was crit by a student...

This semester, I was also crit by a student (and his voice & criticisms was 20X more 'potent' than the old & experienced crit right beside him; who instead hardly made any negative comments about my works.) wink.gif

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You mean Dato Dr Ar Amer Hamzah? Thought he's not in the academic field, he's head of CAEM. How come he gets involved in crits?
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when he became UTM's adjunct professor lol. i swear he only crits to see if he could kill anyone with mere words.

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Yes, I am the type that prepares very extensive/in-dept "lecture like texts/presentations" for my works & crits; while all of the rest (of my classmates) they just prefer to speak naturally/spontaneously to the crits instead.

Everyone was bombarded really hard/mercilessly by the crits anyway.

Our program/course did not provide us with verbal communication subject(s) specific for our architectural subjects, however, we did have our respective (compulsory) standard English classes at the beginning; with presentation assignments, if that is considered the verbal communication training you are referring to? (Throughout the course, we also had loads of presentations to handle in most of the others subjects anyway, that often tend to emphasize on presentation skills as well...)

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well, i dont mean the english subjects where IPT students made compulsory to take by the ministry.

i'm talking about actual subject/course where they actually train u how to present ur design. most IPTAs conduct these subject and it is a part of the course. of course, u have to present every project (3-4 times a semester), but that only prepares u by throwing u out to the sea and see if u could swim. failing to present means failing ur design. not a good practice, actually.

so we conduct these subjects to train the students on art of presentation, debating, how to present themselves, body language, the art of convincing etc.

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Ah, even "students" gets involved in crits. wink.gif

Last semester, I was crit by a student...

This semester, I was also crit by a student (and his voice & criticisms was 20X more 'potent' than the old & experienced crit right beside him; who instead hardly made any negative comments about my works.) wink.gif
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it is my belief that young lecturers/designers always look aggressive to compensate for their lack of experience wink.gif.

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when he became UTM's adjunct professor lol. i swear he only crits to see if he could kill anyone with mere words.
well, i dont mean the english subjects where IPT students made compulsory to take by the ministry.

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People get to become professors just like that - without doing research and publishing papers? He was attached to JKR I understand.
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People get to become professors just like that - without doing research and publishing papers? He was attached to JKR I understand.
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adjunct professor is not a title but a post. he wont be running around with people calling him "professor" or anything, if that's what u're worried about wink.gif. adjunct professor is an academic post where he is in a position to contribute a considerable amount of knowledge/experience to the university on a contractual basis. the advantage is that the adjunct professor is considered a member of the university, so he is at our disposal. they dont actually do research, publications or teaching, depending on their expertise.

this is as opposed to invited lecturers, who're not part of the advisory panel. contract lecturers on the other hand are qualified to do research and publication as well as teaching.

the reason for having him is as a professional enrichment to our professional part of the school. UTM is going to run the 3+2 degree/masters programme, so in order to ensure our professional component in the programme is safe and secure, who else better than the head of CAAEM committee himself, right? wink.gif


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Malaysia what?
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adjunct professor is not a title but a post. he wont be running around with people calling him "professor" or anything, if that's what u're worried about wink.gif. adjunct professor is an academic post where he is in a position to contribute a considerable amount of knowledge/experience to the university on a contractual basis. the advantage is that the adjunct professor is considered a member of the university, so he is at our disposal. they dont actually do research, publications or teaching, depending on their expertise.

this is as opposed to invited lecturers, who're not part of the advisory panel. contract lecturers on the other hand are qualified to do research and publication as well as teaching.

the reason for having him is as a professional enrichment to our professional part of the school. UTM is going to run the 3+2 degree/masters programme, so in order to ensure our professional component in the programme is safe and secure, who else better than the head of CAAEM committee himself, right? wink.gif

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He happened to be at the right place at the right time, plus the fact that he has a doctorate degree(probably the only architect in the public sector , excluding the academia, with that).

The professional exposure in the JKR is rather limited. As I said before, most jobs are farmed out to the private sector, including the construction of their HQ (another GDP project). All the implementation of projects are undertaken by the civil engineers (S.O) which has been the tradition in the engineer-dominated organization and is dictated in their own JKR Form of Building Contract. The role of the architect is reduced to that of an administrator/bureaucrat. Those veteran practitioners in the private sector would be better qualified for the positon but then it has to be someone from the civil service.

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He happened to be at the right place at the right time, plus the fact that he has a doctorate degree(probably the only architect in the public sector , excluding the academia, with that).

The professional exposure in the JKR is rather limited. As I said before, most jobs are farmed out to the private sector, including the construction of their HQ (another GDP project). All the implementation of projects are undertaken by the civil engineers (S.O) which has been the tradition in the engineer-dominated organization and is dictated in their own JKR Form of Building Contract. The role of the architect is reduced to that of an administrator/bureaucrat.  Those veteran practitioners in the private sector would be better qualified for the positon  but then it has to be someone from the civil service.
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yup. but the guy IS the head of CAAEM.

anyways, for our architecture school, there are 3 adjunct professors till mid next year. one of them is Dato' Amer, the other two is Prof. Jason Pomeroy (from british/singapore Broadway Malyan) and Ar. Hijjas Kasturi. so we have a guy from the public sector/LAM/CAAEM, another one is an international academic and lastly an experienced local architect. after next year, there will new adjunct professors to be appointed. we have decided on one: prof bryan lawson (my PhD supervisor from sheffield university), and expert in architecture education and spatial behaviours. but we're still open on the other two.

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where would you suggest someone to do architecture degree in,UCSI or taylors? suggestions pls and why
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where would you suggest someone to do architecture degree in,UCSI or taylors? suggestions pls and why
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i would put them almost equal to each other. so it boils down to the location, the actual lecturers, and the friends u will enroll with.

but taylor's is going for accreditation this year. if u would bet on them passing, then go for them. just bear in mind no IPTS have ever been accredited before.
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i would put them almost equal to each other. so it boils down to the location, the actual lecturers, and the friends u will enroll with.

but taylor's is going for accreditation this year. if u would bet on them passing, then go for them. just bear in mind no IPTS have ever been accredited before.
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no IPTS have ever been accredited before? thinking of doing degree here and masters overseas,or twinning in between,what think you? lol
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no IPTS have ever been accredited before? thinking of doing degree here and masters overseas,or twinning in between,what think you? lol
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twinning is a sure fire way to NOT becoming an architect in malaysia. between an unaccredited degree and a twinning degree, twinning is lower as they have almost no chance of sitting for the LAM exams. from what i've seen, it is as if LAM doesn't even recognize it as a degree in architecture.
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twinning is a sure fire way to NOT becoming an architect in malaysia. between an unaccredited degree and a twinning degree, twinning is lower as they have almost no chance of sitting for the LAM exams. from what i've seen, it is as if LAM doesn't even recognize it as a degree in architecture.
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shocking.gif okay ... lol ... what about masters overseas?
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what about it?

there are 2 types of masters in architecture:

i. professional
ii. academic

so which one do u wanna talk about here?

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what about it?

there are 2 types of masters in architecture:

i. professional
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so which one do u wanna talk about here?
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differences in both? I actually have no idea. as long as i can practice as an architect
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like i said before, if u're interested in becoming an architect, look for part 2 qualifications. it doesnt matter if it's a masters, degree or diploma, if it comes with a part 2, it will qualify u as an architect!

u gotta break the mindset that masters must be higher status than degree or diploma, because in architecture status means nothing if u dont carry the proper qualifications.
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ok, so let me get this straight. I've just graduated from Taylors U and will be continuing my degree overseas, lets say Australia University of Tasmania and after obtaining the Bachelor of Enviromental Design, it will qualify me as Part 1 right? I don't have to sit any LAM exams, and then after that I continue on with the Bach./Master of Architecture recognized by LAM and after graduating will mean that I'm certified Part 2. Is this right ?

How do I obtain part 3 then?

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dont be a fool, son. learn to understand the issue before jumping off the cliff.
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ok, so let me get this straight. I've just graduated from Taylors U and will be continuing my degree overseas, lets say Australia University of Tasmania and after obtaining the Bachelor of Enviromental Design, it will qualify me as Part 1 right? I don't have to sit any LAM exams, and then after that I continue on with the Bach./Master of Architecture recognized by LAM and after graduating will mean  that I'm certified Part 2. Is this right ?

How do I obtain part 3 then?
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yup, that's about right.

part 3 is obtained by two ways normally:

i. by practicing, filling out the log book and sitting for the part 3 exam. normally they set a 2 year minimum practice requirement, but there are exceptions where one could fill out the log book in less than that. either way, vast majority just prefer to take the 2 years and prepare themselves for the exam.

ii. by a part 3 masters. this is not available yet in malaysia, but is already available in the UK (for RIBA part 3). i know that a few schools like UM have toyed with the idea of opening one, but LAM is not very keen on that idea. so until heads change in LAM, we're not gonna see a part 3 masters any time soon. heck, it took us 12 years to convince LAM to agree to run a part 2 masters... so i imagine perhaps another 12 years? lol.

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u could've left with dignity, but since u insist...

i. u come to this thread asking for directions.
ii. then u saw somebody made a comment that looks like a government/malaysia bashing thread.
iii. u took the opportunity to poke fun at it.
iv. in actual fact, the question was genuine and have a totally plausible explanation.
v. i told u off, straight on.
vi. and now instead of just acknowledging that u jumped too soon at the said question, u have the audacity to take a swing at me?

i dont care if u're older or more experienced in other areas, it's pretty obvious u're not there yet in these areas. so until we're playing at YOUR area, be polite and lets stick to architecture.
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i. u come to this thread asking for directions.
ii. then u saw somebody made a comment that looks like a government/malaysia bashing thread.
iii. u took the opportunity to poke fun at it.
iv. in actual fact, the question was genuine and have a totally plausible explanation.
v. i told u off, straight on.
vi. and now instead of just acknowledging that u jumped too soon at the said question, u have the audacity to take a swing at me?

i dont care if u're older or more experienced in other areas, it's pretty obvious u're not there yet in these areas. so until we're playing at YOUR area, be polite and lets stick to architecture.
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Politeness cuts both ways. respect cuts both ways.
The remark was not personal and yet your remark WAS personal, condescending and uncalled for...less you are
a personification of your description!
So what gives about being polite and taking swings?
Loosen up and leave arrogance at the doorstep


Yes, i do admit i am not there yet in this area of architecture. Infact theres always new thinsg to behold
even in my own field. So dont be so arrogant about YOUR area.
But be assured i have worked
with them for years....more than you can imagine. So yes in that sense i do have certain knowledge
of the insider of the architecture industry.


So yes BE Polite and get back to architecture....
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Politeness cuts both ways. respect cuts both ways.
The remark was not personal and yet your remark WAS personal, condescending and uncalled for...less you are
a personification of your description!
So what gives about being polite and taking swings? 
Loosen up and leave arrogance at the doorstep
Yes, i do admit i am not there yet in this area of architecture. Infact theres always new thinsg to behold
even in my own field. So dont be so arrogant about YOUR area.
But be assured i have worked
with them for years....more than you can imagine. So yes in that sense i do have certain knowledge
of the insider of the architecture industry.
So yes BE Polite and get back to architecture....
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look below my avatar. what does it say? lol.

lets start fresh. i apologize for any misgivings. agreed?

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look below my avatar. what does it say? lol.

lets start fresh. i apologize for any misgivings. agreed?
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hello ive stumbled upon this blog saying that what should we do in order to proceed to our desired rank/position, where should we go to further study oversea or locally. It just bothers me as I would like to further my studies locally, but from what the blog explains that if we want to progress ourself to become more 'free of thinking' or in other word more creative, the way is to further study oversea, not locally, can somebody help me clarify this?

http://nikreached.wordpress.com/2011/05/30...-should-you-go/

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hello ive stumbled upon this blog saying that what should we do in order to proceed to our desired rank/position, where should we go to further study oversea or locally. It just bothers me as I would like to further my studies locally, but from what the blog explains that if we want to progress ourself to become more 'free of thinking' or in other word more creative, the way is to further study oversea, not locally, can somebody help me clarify this?

http://nikreached.wordpress.com/2011/05/30...-should-you-go/
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there are some truth in what he has said. but i wouldnt say it in the strictest sense. yes, going abroad expands your perspective. but doesn't mean you cant do it locally, albeit with less opportunities on that. normally it boils down to the environment you're studying in, the people you study with, and those teaching you.

on environment part, local schools offer it well, sometimes even better than overseas schools.

on peers, well, this is pretty limited when we're talking locally. you'll be stuck with the same people with the same, typical malaysian mindset.

on teachers, there are numerous to choose from: those trained locally to those trained abroad. u will notice considerable difference between how they approach education.

so, aside from the peers factor, we can still reach the international standard. so now it boils down to u. would u be able to improve by putting ur mates aside?
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there are some truth in what he has said. but i wouldnt say it in the strictest sense. yes, going abroad expands your perspective. but doesn't mean you cant do it locally, albeit with less opportunities on that. normally it boils down to the environment you're studying in, the people you study with, and those teaching you.

on environment part, local schools offer it well, sometimes even better than overseas schools.

on peers, well, this is pretty limited when we're talking locally. you'll be stuck with the same people with the same, typical malaysian mindset.

on teachers, there are numerous to choose from: those trained locally to those trained abroad. u will notice considerable difference between how they approach education.

so, aside from the peers factor, we can still reach the international standard. so now it boils down to u. would u be able to improve by putting ur mates aside?
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yeah,but the thought he puts do scare me to study locally, i didnt have the privilege to study abroad, but to think of it making me somewhat skeptical, im working right now before furthering into part2,

and i can see exactly what he said, the employer demands us (me rolleyes.gif ) to works overtime just to show that you're in the right path to become full fledge architect, and his ideas of successful design is to just throw every information be it in green strategies, innovation etc just to show that youve put enough work into it and claim that we deserve that project because of this.

it somewhat clouded my thinking, better create something that is workable although it might seem simple at first right? rather than having an extravagant ideas with all infos and all possible technology there is and throw all of it in the design boards.

more focus unto one thing, rather than shooting bullets into all direction.

happens to me and my mates especially during competition for a tender or just a competition. and blaming us for not winning... no for not even get mentioned(our project) in any of the event/competitions

and i think for a people like me to experience what those oversea graduates have experience is to work under a small/medium but design oriented firms like ZLG who practise more on designing rather than more on how much product you have done/completed

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yeah,but the thought he puts do scare me to study locally, i didnt have the privilege to study abroad, but to think of it making me somewhat skeptical, im working right now before furthering into part2,

and i can see exactly what he said, the employer demands us (me  rolleyes.gif ) to works overtime just to show that you're in the right path to become full fledge architect, and his ideas of successful design is to just throw every information be it in green strategies, innovation etc just to show that youve put enough work into it and claim that we deserve that project because of this.

it somewhat clouded my thinking, better create something that is workable although it might seem simple at first right? rather than having an extravagant ideas with all infos and all possible technology there is and throw all of it in the design boards.

more focus unto one thing, rather than shooting bullets into all direction.

happens to me and my mates especially during competition for a tender or just a competition. and blaming us for not winning... no for not even get mentioned(our project) in any of the event/competitions

and i think for a people like me to experience what those oversea graduates have experience is to work under a small/medium but design oriented firms like ZLG who practise more on designing rather than more on how much product you have done/completed
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well, at least u've got ur priorities straight. couldnt say the same to most people of ur age. architecture have to be both broad and focused at the same time. u have to deal with the macro and micro and juggle everything between it.

yes, ur boss probably is correct when it comes to production of a building, u HAVE to cover every single aspect. but in design production, u have to focus on something that sells - the strength of ur design.

so as u can see, the blogger is an academic. he approached his writing from an academic's point of view, which something i would do. but there's another side of the story, which is the practice point of view, which tehtmc here can shed more light on. just dont get caught on the whirlwind. there are truth in both sides, u just have to figure out which one to follow, should u fall on to one side or the other.
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well thx azarimy, that really explain the lots of it, maybe experience is the better teacher, but the place to gain that experience matters to me now, whether im gonna stay in one company and learn everything there is, or gaining bits here and there by jumping from one comp to another. I just didnt want to be stuck as a worker ant, and i enjoy doing what i love be it designing, visualizing or meeting people
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well thx azarimy, that really explain the lots of it, maybe experience is the better teacher, but the place to gain that experience matters to me now, whether im gonna stay in one company and learn everything there is, or gaining bits here and there by jumping from one comp to another. I just didnt want to be stuck as a worker ant, and i enjoy doing what i love be it designing, visualizing or meeting people
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Working short stints in different firms does not really help much in terms of gaining experience. You need to work for at least 2-3 years at a firm to get some worthwhile experience. Building projects are such that you don't see the full picture unless you get involved long enough. You experience will not be complete if you don't get be involved in the nitty-gritty of details to make a design work.

Learn everything there is? I don't think it is possible.

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I want to ask a few questions
a)my sister want to continue architectural klmu but it not in list mqa it is ok?
b)iwhat a chance after my sister finish diploma and take bach archit at utm
c)which want better continue STPM or diploma
d)what the priority utm....stpm or diploma

p/s:sori if this question already has been asked

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I want to ask a few questions
a)my sister want to continue architectural klmu but it not in list mqa it is ok?
b)iwhat a chance after my sister finish diploma and take bach archit at utm
c)which want better continue STPM or diploma
d)what the priority utm....stpm or diploma

p/s:sori if this question already has been asked
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a. i would only recommend LAM accreditation. MQA is much lower than LAM. so anything that's not even accredited by MQA is a straight away no for me.

b. if it's not accredited by MQA, IPTAs will not even recognize it as a diploma, let alone diploma in architecture.

c. STPM gives u better and wider choice.

d. the degree course at UTM does not take diploma into the 1st year. they go to 2nd year. so there's no competition between the two.

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Working short stints in different firms does not really help much in terms of gaining experience. You need to work for at least 2-3 years at a firm to get some worthwhile experience. Building projects are such that you don't see the full picture unless you get involved long enough. You experience will not be complete if you don't get be involved in the nitty-gritty of details to make a design work. 

Learn everything there is?  I don't think it is possible.
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well you are right. maybe needed more than a year to actually able to pick up something. but the thing is right now ive been working for about a year and so far for me, ive not learnt much from it, when i try to compare it with my other friends who graduated at the same time i can see that they know a lot more than what I'm now.

My work in my office were always doing the same thing that i have already good at, and because of it they keep on giving me jobs doing 3ds and visualizing all the time never had chance to do maybe some construction dwgs, or any detail work.Even worse the webpage of the company were handed down to me in charge of it, I feel im the IT guy in there and when i ask to have more part in doing other type of jobs they somewhat diss me like ignoring my request. the only thing that i get a chance to learn at it by asking to other seniors and that is for sure not enough.

and now im thinking maybe its time for me to change firm.
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hello ive stumbled upon this blog saying that what should we do in order to proceed to our desired rank/position, where should we go to further study oversea or locally. It just bothers me as I would like to further my studies locally, but from what the blog explains that if we want to progress ourself to become more 'free of thinking' or in other word more creative, the way is to further study oversea, not locally, can somebody help me clarify this?

http://nikreached.wordpress.com/2011/05/30...-should-you-go/
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Well, the author is entitled to his/her opinion no matter what...

In this case, the author is certainly 'bias' towards the emotional/emotive response, conceptual, "process (trial & error/go with the flow) - based", expressive, subjective/playful approach, flamboyant, spontaneous, & (or) "perceptual" aspects in design/architecture; as "opposed" to any attempted objectivity, formal/serious approach, the technicalities, systematic procedure based, technology, predefined-settings, established tradition/theories/principles, "functional/objective" approach, and (or) any form of predefined/preconceived rules & orders in architecture (that one might already be having at the beginning - and ready to be executed into final productions immediately).

Even within the design studios here at Taylors, it has ever been a constant war/battle/conflict and also an increasingly tough effort to try to justify or to uphold one of this sides in architecture. However, "Most" of the students at Taylors are always very typically/characteristically found on one of this two sides, while only a very small handful of minorities (if there is even 0.1% of such at Taylors) are riding the other side/territory (hint: and this particular group do not create or fancy colorful looking presentation boards and or "pompous" / "pretentious" form making).

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Well, the author is entitled to his/her opinion no matter what...

In this case, the author is certainly 'bias' towards the emotional/emotive response, conceptual, "process (trial & error/go with the flow) - based", expressive, subjective/playful approach, flamboyant, spontaneous, & (or) "perceptual" aspects in design/architecture; as "opposed" to any attempted objectivity, formal/serious approach, the technicalities, systematic procedure based, technology, predefined-settings, established tradition/theories/principles, "functional/objective" approach, and (or) any form of predefined/preconceived rules & orders in architecture (that one might already be having at the beginning - and ready to be executed into final productions immediately).

Even within the design studios here at Taylors, it has ever been a constant war/battle/conflict and also an increasingly tough effort to try to justify or to uphold one of this sides in architecture. However, "Most" of the students at Taylors are always very typically/characteristically found on one of this two sides, while only a very small handful of minorities (if there is even 0.1% of such at Taylors) are riding the other side/territory (hint: and this particular group do not create or fancy colorful looking presentation boards and or "pompous" / "pretentious" form making).

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I'm guessing that 0.1% is you ?
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I wonder if that matters...smile.gif (I was just mentioning about 2 primary characteristics in architecture; which I've been basically observing all around me that's all. icon_rolleyes.gif)

Regarding my choice of architecture schools;

I will choose the oversea universities (in western countries) for their 'profound' emphasis & incredibly "high priority" on "nurturing" absolute design creativity/expressiveness/responsiveness/process/exploration" into their students as such...

But;

I will select the local public universities (IPTAs) for the 'profound' emphasis & "priority" on the "architectural technicalities/construction/problem solving/workability/functionality/practicality/build-ability" aspects of a building.

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I wonder if that matters...smile.gif (I was just mentioning about 2 primary characteristics in architecture; which I've been basically observing all around me that's all. icon_rolleyes.gif)

Regarding my choice of architecture schools;

I will choose the oversea universities (in western countries) for their 'profound' emphasis & incredibly "high priority" on "nurturing" absolute design creativity/expressiveness/responsiveness/process/exploration" into their students as such...

But;

I will select the local public universities (IPTAs) for the 'profound' emphasis & "priority" on the "architectural technicalities/construction/problem solving/workability/functionality/practicality/build-ability" aspects of a building.

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u'll be surprised that their syllabus are not much different than ours. mainly because we took most of it from them.

the students consist of those who have an existing predisposition on creativity, arts and sense of self. they want to do architecture because they know that's what they wanna be, and know that they have the ability to be that. so when they jump into architecture, they are surging to show off what they can do, explore things and be creative.

compare this to average malaysians who wanna be an architect because it pays alot, can become rich and own 5 cars, a big house and a couple of mistresses.

it's about attitude first. all the rest comes much, much later.

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u'll be surprised that their syllabus are not much different than ours. mainly because we took most of it from them.

the students consist of those who have an existing predisposition on creativity, arts and sense of self. they want to do architecture because they know that's what they wanna be, and know that they have the ability to be that. so when they jump into architecture, they are surging to show off what they can do, explore things and be creative.

compare this to average malaysians who wanna be an architect because it pays alot, can become rich and own 5 cars, a big house and a couple of mistresses.

it's about attitude first. all the rest comes much, much later.
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hi, quite possibly the first time i'm posting on this forum even though i've been following this thread for a loooong time. and i just wanted to say that it gave me a lot of encouragement just by reading that. i'm very much inclined to think that i'm the former of the two examples (who wouldn't la) and well yeah, it's encouraging to know that at least someone thinks attitude is very much part of the contributing factors in becoming an architect. i'm afraid i don't have an inborn talent at art nor do i have inexhaustible creative juice and i've always been worried that that mean the end for me.

so... yay for attitude? heh.


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I wonder if that matters...smile.gif (I was just mentioning about 2 primary characteristics in architecture; which I've been basically observing all around me that's all. icon_rolleyes.gif)

Regarding my choice of architecture schools;

I will choose the oversea universities (in western countries) for their 'profound' emphasis & incredibly "high priority" on "nurturing" absolute design creativity/expressiveness/responsiveness/process/exploration" into their students as such...

But;

I will select the local public universities (IPTAs) for the 'profound' emphasis & "priority" on the "architectural technicalities/construction/problem solving/workability/functionality/practicality/build-ability" aspects of a building.

Regards.
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If you are the hybrid of both; it will be awesome breed. whistling.gif
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er, just wanna ask something. I want to ask that about the portfolio or interview, is it for the new applicant or what? Meaning if i wanna go to that school to study ID or Architecture i have to hand in a portfolio>?
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er, just wanna ask something. I want to ask that about the portfolio or interview, is it for the new applicant or what? Meaning if i wanna go to that school to study ID or Architecture i have to hand in a portfolio>?
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Not all schools require a portfolio and interview.
IPTA's require that. Don't think the IPTS need that.
It's also a requirement by some of the prestigious overseas unis, not all.

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Not all schools require a portfolio and interview.
IPTA's require that. Don't think the IPTS need that.
It's also a requirement by some of the prestigious overseas unis, not all.
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How about Limkokwing at kuching one? Portfolio means like you have to prepare a project? But i don't even study yet how should i know how to? If i know i wouldnt study again though rclxub.gif
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a portfolio is something any designer or artist should have, regardless if u're an aspiring designer, a practicing one or an old fart of a designer. it's a collection of works that u have done that showcases what u can do.

so if u're a school leaver applying to an IPT, ur portfolio should consist of works u've done before, regardless in class for a particular subject or just something u did for fun.

it's a good practice to keep a portfolio starting from now. dont wait till a school asks, because by then it'll be too late.
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But i have seen from their website (limkokwing) the information given is if applicable for portfolio. Does it means that i dont need also can right?
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But i have seen from their website (limkokwing) the information given is if applicable for portfolio. Does it means that i dont need also can right?
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IPTS normally have more places than applicants, so it's highly unlikely u'll ever see the need to have a tie breaker (the portfolio) in order to apply.

however, what i'm saying is, if u WANT to become a proper designer, start building up ur portfolio from now on. a designer without a portfolio is just talking cock.

being a designer is mostly about attitude. if u dont have the attitude, then u're not going anywhere.
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IPTS normally have more places than applicants, so it's highly unlikely u'll ever see the need to have a tie breaker (the portfolio) in order to apply.

however, what i'm saying is, if u WANT to become a proper designer, start building up ur portfolio from now on. a designer without a portfolio is just talking cock.

being a designer is mostly about attitude. if u dont have the attitude, then u're not going anywhere.
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Don't have the attitude about what? Thanks for the advices..
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Don't have the attitude about what? Thanks for the advices..
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it's not attitude about something. it's the designer attitude.

to become a designer, u have to have a good grasp of the subject matter. u need to able to juggle a lot of things together, highly disciplined and strongly driven. u also need to be punctual, have a good sense of self and be able to negotiate ur way around things. u must be proactive to pursue things u needed to know, and have the humility to understand that there are things that u still didnt know.

so do u think u know why u need the portfolio now, or do i really need to spell it out for u?
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MR Aza. Do you have any idea when would be the interview for SPACE KL for course of B.Archi ?

Thanks you so much.

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MR Aza. Do you have any idea when would be the interview for SPACE KL for course of B.Archi ?

Thanks you so much.
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if i recall correctly, there's no interview per se. just walk in session.

there's a registration session open every few months. all u need to do is walk-in, bring ur portfolio/ceevee and u will sit for the "interview" right there and then.
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i just registered through online.

would i be called up for the session or ?

thanks a again
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i just registered through online.

would i be called up for the session or ?

thanks a again
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i dont think they're gonna call u for an interview. probably just head on for ur 1st day.


some news on LAM accreditation in malaysia:

ALFA - if i'm not mistaken, ALFA is going for the accreditation this week, but i'm not sure which day.

Taylor's - in july, but i couldnt find the exact date.

UTM SPACE - end of the year. no dates set yet.
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why didnt ucsi apply for accrediation this year ?

if i'm not mistaken, during my time we had gone through twice the accreditation interview.

Btw, thanks for your replied Mr Aza.


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QUOTE(kuanming86 @ Jun 6 2011, 07:47 PM)
why didnt ucsi apply for accrediation this year ?

if i'm not mistaken, during my time we had gone through twice the accreditation interview.

Btw, thanks for your replied Mr Aza.
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i dont know if UCSI did or did not apply this year. i'm just relaying information as i get them. normally a school would need 1 or 2 years between accreditation visits to prepare and stuff.
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I am graduand from MIA Diploma in Interior Design (I joined right after SPM) Now I planning to take Professional Architect as my future carrier, is TS can provide me some information:

1) Is that IPTS like KLIUC, TwinTech, LUCT only my choice currently? How about IPTA?

2) I wish to have my Arch. study at local Malaysia, which IPTS providing full degree course at local?

3) Which IPTS can allow me to attend the LAM part i, ii & iii exam? (very confusing on the accredited stuff)

4) If IPTS, which institute will be more suitable for my case? Can TS give me any suggestion?

Hope TS can help on the "Lost Sheep" here. Thank you!
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hello folks. just a question - when will i learn how to use autocad? or will i ever have the opportunity to learn it?

i just finished my first semester.... i'm having 3-month holiday from uitm shah alam, so i thought i might as well give myself some head start and learn how to use this essential architectural software. i'm so anxious my second semester.

but so far i don't learn anything though. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Julius Devilish @ Jun 7 2011, 04:15 AM)
I am graduand from MIA Diploma in Interior Design (I joined right after SPM) Now I planning to take Professional Architect as my future carrier, is TS can provide me some information:

1) Is that IPTS like KLIUC, TwinTech, LUCT only my choice currently? How about IPTA?

2) I wish to have my Arch. study at local Malaysia, which IPTS providing full degree course at local?

3) Which IPTS can allow me to attend the LAM part i, ii & iii exam? (very confusing on the accredited stuff)

4) If IPTS, which institute will be more suitable for my case? Can TS give me any suggestion?

Hope TS can help on the "Lost Sheep" here. Thank you!
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1. only few IPTAs have openings for diploma outside diploma in architecture. so yeah, u still have a few options like UiTM and UTM. other universities will take diploma in interior design on case-by-case basis.

2. at the moment only LUCT offers up to part 2 level. however, none of them are accredited.

3. refer 2.

QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Jun 7 2011, 04:57 AM)
hello folks. just a question - when will i learn how to use autocad? or will i ever have the opportunity to learn it?

i just finished my first semester.... i'm having 3-month holiday from uitm shah alam, so i thought i might as well give myself some head start and learn how to use this essential architectural software. i'm so anxious my second semester.

but so far i don't learn anything though.  sweat.gif
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each school runs differently. some schools like in the UK dont even teach autocad. u learn them by urself. in UTM we offer it at 1st year 2nd sem. other schools only at 2nd year.

be aware that autocad is NOT the only software that's essential to architecture. even so, there are several versions of CAD that rivals them, some are free.
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"2. at the moment only LUCT offers up to part 2 level. however, none of them are accredited."

As ur answer no.2 non-accredited issue. Is that mean I still can taking PAM exam part i, ii, & iii and eventually become a Professional Architect with LUCT cert?

Sorry for another "noob" repeated question, LUCT the only IPTS can allow me to become Professional Architect without going oversea currently? How about KLIUC or others?

Many Thanks for ur time to answer my question!
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"2. at the moment only LUCT offers up to part 2 level. however, none of them are accredited."

As ur answer no.2 non-accredited issue. Is that mean I still can taking PAM exam part i, ii, & iii and eventually become a Professional Architect with LUCT cert?

Sorry for another "noob" repeated question, LUCT the only IPTS can allow me to become Professional Architect without going oversea currently? How about KLIUC or others?

Many Thanks for ur time to answer my question!
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in order to become an architect, u need to study architecture for 5 years total. normally this is divided to two parts, 3 years degree and another 2 years degree or masters. at the time of writing, LUCT is the only IPTS that offers the 2nd level. to put it simply, if u dont study 5 years, u're never gonna see the light of becoming an architect.

and yes, that would mean if u study in other IPTSs like taylor's or UCSI, u will need to continue to LUCT, an IPTA, or go abroad.

and yes, u can take the LAM exam for parts 1 and 2, should u fulfill all other requirements.

remember, if u only study for 3 years, u only qualify urself as architect's assistant.
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Thks for your information TS. Sorry to confirm again, is that LUCT Bachelor of Architect study at Malaysia 5 years locally?

Thanks again for ur patience to answering my question!
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Thks for your information TS. Sorry to confirm again, is that LUCT Bachelor of Architect study at Malaysia 5 years locally?

Thanks again for ur patience to answering my question!
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it is divided to 3 year BSc and another 2 year BArch. locally.
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Hey azarimy what do you think about other architecture schools in Asia?
In example,
Hong Kong University
Chinese University of Hong Kong
Tongji University,Shanghai
Singapore National University

Are their faculties good?
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Hey azarimy what do you think about other architecture schools in Asia?
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Chinese University of Hong Kong
Tongji University,Shanghai
Singapore National University

Are their faculties good?
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They should be good but they are all not recognized/accredited for pratice in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Visionary @ Jun 7 2011, 03:18 PM)
Hey azarimy what do you think about other architecture schools in Asia?
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Hong Kong University
Chinese University of Hong Kong
Tongji University,Shanghai
Singapore National University

Are their faculties good?
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i would personally recommend HKU and NUS, as they are few of the very best architecture schools not only in asia, but in the world. however, like tehtmc said, they are not accredited by LAM. which means u would still have to sit for the LAM parts 1 and 2 exams individually. but as far as i know, those from these schools did not face much of a problem on the exams.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jun 8 2011, 01:03 PM)
They should be good but they are all not recognized/accredited for pratice in Malaysia.
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i would personally recommend HKU and NUS, as they are few of the very best architecture schools not only in asia, but in the world. however, like tehtmc said, they are not accredited by LAM. which means u would still have to sit for the LAM parts 1 and 2 exams individually. but as far as i know, those from these schools did not face much of a problem on the exams.
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Oh ... what would the Part 1 and Part 2 exams be like?
HKU and NUS is pretty hard to get in,my results are okay but they're not relevant to Architecture at all.

Is Tongji University,Shanghai okay? Just in case.

If I can't apply in time I'll just go to UCSI or Taylors I guess =\
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Oh ... what would the Part 1 and Part 2 exams be like?
HKU and NUS is pretty hard to get in,my results are okay but they're not relevant to Architecture at all.

Is Tongji University,Shanghai okay? Just in case.

If I can't apply in time I'll just go to UCSI or Taylors I guess =\
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There is no specific subject requirements for architecture so anything is relevant.

It's a problem of language with the unis in China with Mandarin being the medium of instruction. You would have to translate your portfolio to English when it comes to sitting the LAM exams. And you would also need to relearn everything in English when you're back to work in Malaysia. Still, I've met a graduate from Tsingtao university (among the top in China) at one of the PAM seminars, who managed to pass the LAM exams - a rare breed indeed. Why bother to take such a difficult route when you have other choices?

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In my opinion, no matter what you do in choosing institutions for architectural studies, it would be wise to avoid pursuing this course in private institutions altogether, most notably those that are more expensive; because please trust me, it is really not worth it at all.

For example, I'm coming from Taylors (which boldly claims in having "World Class Facilities" & standards); but seriously, the facilities here will still not be able to match or be on-par with the architectural facilities in an IPTA.

There is really nothing here (at Taylors) in terms of facilities for the architectural side of things; others than the usual design studios which are always incredibly filthy/dirty, in terrible condition, and still reusing the old battered-up tables & chairs from 10 years ago since the inception of this course from the old Taylors campus; you would not want to work in such deplorable conditions, unless it is thoroughly cleaned-up & arranged. In addition, the cost of printing in the campus, both monochrome & color printing on just normal paper, are also sky-high compared to the shops out there. (It is expensive made even more expensive.) Other than these, there are nothing else/no other relevant facilities for the architecture students, other than the outdated computer lab which is also being shared by all of the other design related course in Taylors; 95% of the time it is being occupied. (you get the picture...)

So as you can see, there is really no distinct advantage at all in pursuing architecture at even a so called IPTS with self-proclaimed "world-class-facilities" & standards; other than being faced with bunch of negatives... (Think of your hard-earn money.)

In-terms of the architecture standards, yes, there are indeed the good lecturers around in Taylors SABD, and you will be very lucky to have them (part time lecturers); those are notably the ones with the Ar. title in front of their names. But really only a few others around (full time lecturers) without the Ar. title are good at all (and you will be facing them all the time)...

I have also witness good (Ar.) lecturers being kicked out/dismissed/demoted, while other "kindergarten school teachers" with questionable ethics & attitudes are being promoted ever higher & higher up in the hierarchy/as program directors without anything more than a degree... hmm.gif (Hint: Internal political moves?)

Only one or two lecturers in here has a Masters (the can of worms), and they are acting so amazingly arrogant and suggesting to be the best of all. But in an IPTA, all lecturers are having PHDs!

Regardless, in this coming July I will like LAM - PAM to take a really seriously close look at this particular institution in the manner it is conducting it's architecture program, and the kind of standard it is really actually having... (Because from what I have been observing in the degree level; the standard produced by the students is rather disturbing to say the least...) Bottom line is; I will not even consider furthering into their degree program unless I need not pay the exorbitantly high fees just to undergo it.

Regards.

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The IPTS's are all business concerns and are profit-motivated (except maybe UTAR) so their objective is maximum profit (fees), minimum expenses (lecturer salaries). It is not easy to get good lecturers especially in the private sector, teaching is not where the money is. How much an the IPTS pay to their lecturers especially those with Ar?

They have to be aggressive in their marketing to lure students, even to the extent of hiding the truths (as in the main issue of the accreditation statuses) and making exaggerated claims. There is a big market indeed - students who are unable to get into IPTA's and cannot afford to go overseas to study.

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The IPTS's are all business concerns and are profit-motivated (except maybe UTAR) so their objective is maximum profit (fees), minimum expenses (lecturer salaries). It is not easy to get good lecturers especially in the private sector, teaching is not where the money is.  How much an the IPTS pay to their lecturers especially those with Ar?

They have to be aggressive in their marketing to lure students, even to the extent of hiding  the truths (as in the main issue of the accreditation statuses) and making exaggerated claims. There is a big market indeed - students who are unable to get into IPTA's and cannot afford to go overseas to study.
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I would agree with all of that.

And regarding pay, I won't be surprise that it would be rather measly/low especially for the part-time lecturers...

The situation in here is very political anyway..., it goes by "influence" & "favoritism" in order to climb... (the need to be the "type" that they want; because if you are just not the type that they are looking for, then the tables will be turned against you to your natural disadvantage) - I have overheard conversations like this among some good lecturers while being involved in tasks, coupled also with my keen observations around. (I am wondering how some so-called "arrogant" & "dogmatic" lecturers could get promoted till so high, while some Ar. could almost get sacked & demoted...)

Anyway, as a student, I personally should have considered pursuing this course in other much more "humble" private institutions instead (for my case I had to go private because I never took the SPM/STPM, but an equivalent instead.) And I should not have chosen this "especially" big-time money-making, ultra-successful, arrogant, & boastful so-called renowned University - with handfuls of their ultra-prideful full-time lecturers bragging & proclaiming absolute supreme-superiority over all other institutions, such as the IPTAs. Just observe the attitudes of the ones with higher-position & power... shakehead.gif Instead, the real truth is that these really arrogant lecturers often feel "insecure" & "threatened" when challenged, so they basically pushed/up their power to "abusive" levels/schemes perhaps to compensate or make themselves feel satisfied... hmm.gif (They do not know that by their poisonous/contaminating/sickening/jealous attitudes, students are suffering under them instead of the other way round...)

(Nonetheless, there are indeed some very good, humble, & knowledge-generous lecturers around, but those are always very few & far between; depending on sheer luck to be having them in a particular semester; students who get them really benefit, get motivated, & inspired instead of the complete opposite...)

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hey have to be aggressive in their marketing to lure students, even to the extent of hiding  the truths (as in the main issue of the accreditation statuses) and making exaggerated claims. There is a big market indeed - students who are unable to get into IPTA's and cannot afford to go overseas to study.


BTW, it is a pity to these students - who know not - (churning in by the hundreds every semester into just this course alone over here); this is because they are & they will continually be-taken sheer-advantage of throughout their course over here... (This is a warning...) (So far, every students had to go through the course here before they realized it, but then it was always "typically" too late...)

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There is no specific subject requirements for architecture so anything is relevant.

It's a problem of language with the unis in China with Mandarin being the medium of instruction. You would have to translate your portfolio to English when it comes to sitting the LAM exams.  And you would also need to relearn everything in English when you're back to work in Malaysia. Still, I've met a graduate from Tsingtao university (among the top in China) at one of the PAM seminars,  who managed to pass the LAM exams - a rare breed indeed. Why bother to take such a difficult route when you have other choices?
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Oh ... wokay. lol. What do you guys think about this course? BA (Honours) Architecture : Spaces and Objects , taught at Central Saint Martins College of Art,University of the Arts London.

Is it different from every other architecture courses?
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Oh ... wokay. lol. What do you guys think about this course? BA (Honours) Architecture : Spaces and Objects , taught at Central Saint Martins College of Art,University of the Arts London.

Is it different from every other architecture courses?
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Never heard of that college and it's not listed in LAM's list of accredited schools.
When you're going to spend a few hundred thousands to study in UK, why would you choose an unaccredited school?
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Never heard of that college and it's not listed in LAM's list of accredited schools.
When you're going to spend a few hundred thousands to study in UK, why would you choose an unaccredited school?
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In my opinion, no matter what you do in choosing institutions for architectural studies, it would be wise to avoid pursuing this course in private institutions altogether, most notably those that are more expensive; because please trust me, it is really not worth it at all.

For example, I'm coming from Taylors (which boldly claims in having "World Class Facilities" & standards); but seriously, the facilities here will still not be able to match or be on-par with the architectural facilities in an IPTA.

There is really nothing here (at Taylors) in terms of facilities for the architectural side of things; others than the usual design studios which are always incredibly filthy/dirty, in terrible condition, and still reusing the old battered-up tables & chairs from 10 years ago since the inception of this course from the old Taylors campus; you would not want to work in such deplorable conditions, unless it is thoroughly cleaned-up & arranged. In addition, the cost of printing in the campus, both monochrome & color printing on just normal paper, are also sky-high compared to the shops out there. (It is expensive made even more expensive.) Other than these, there are nothing else/no other relevant facilities for the architecture students, other than the outdated computer lab which is also being shared by all of the other design related course in Taylors; 95% of the time it is being occupied. (you get the picture...)

So as you can see, there is really no distinct advantage at all in pursuing architecture at even a so called IPTS with self-proclaimed "world-class-facilities" & standards; other than being faced with bunch of negatives... (Think of your hard-earn money.)

In-terms of the architecture standards, yes, there are indeed the good lecturers around in Taylors SABD, and you will be very lucky to have them (part time lecturers); those are notably the ones with the Ar. title in front of their names. But really only a few others around (full time lecturers) without the Ar. title are good at all (and you will be facing them all the time)...

I have also witness good (Ar.) lecturers being kicked out/dismissed/demoted, while other "kindergarten school teachers" with questionable ethics & attitudes are being promoted ever higher & higher up in the hierarchy/as program directors without anything more than a degree... hmm.gif (Hint: Internal political moves?)

Only one or two lecturers in here has a Masters (the can of worms), and they are acting so amazingly arrogant and suggesting to be the best of all. But in an IPTA, all lecturers are having PHDs!

Regardless, in this coming July I will like LAM - PAM to take a really seriously close look at this particular institution in the manner it is conducting it's architecture program, and the kind of standard it is really actually having... (Because from what I have been observing in the degree level; the standard produced by the students is rather disturbing to say the least...) Bottom line is; I will not even consider furthering into their degree program unless I need not pay the exorbitantly high fees just to undergo it.

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Wow, to be honest I think you are just ungrateful with what you have.

We don't even have our own studio and computer lab last time. Everything was shared. We also do not have our own printer like what you guys have. All printing jobs has do be done outside the campus which is very far away.

You mentioned there's some not so good lecturers? Some of my lecturer didn't even attend classes while some didn't even teach. We complained, the lecturer got sacked and was replaced by another of his kind.

The best of all, our fees are almost the same as Taylors.

but despite all that, we still can manage to do well and study. You just have to adapt to situation, get the best of what you have and don't be such an ass. Taylors is not Harvard or Oxford.
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Wow, to be honest I think you are just ungrateful with what you have.

We don't even have our own studio and computer lab last time. Everything was shared. We also do not have our own printer like what you guys have. All printing jobs has do be done outside the campus which is very far away.

You mentioned there's some not so good lecturers? Some of my lecturer didn't even attend classes while some didn't even teach. We complained, the lecturer got sacked and was replaced by another of his kind.

The best of all, our fees are almost the same as Taylors.

but despite all that, we still can manage to do well and study. You just have to adapt to situation, get the best of what you have and don't be such an ass. Taylors is not Harvard or Oxford.
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Seconded.

Taylor's may have this and that deficiency and so on, but it comes down to making the best choice you can given the circumstances. I understand some of Benjamin's misgivings, being a recent alumni I have complained about the same things, but they do not stop one from getting a design hammered out with the tutors at the end of the day and getting the hell out. A perfect campus doesn't exist, and it would be wasted on most of the clientele at Taylor's anyway.

Try not to be so vitriolic here, this is not an unpopular forum and people take advice from this place seriously.
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Seconded.

Taylor's may have this and that deficiency and so on, but it comes down to making the best choice you can given the circumstances. I understand some of Benjamin's misgivings, being a recent alumni I have complained about the same things, but they do not stop one from getting a design hammered out with the tutors at the end of the day and getting the hell out. A perfect campus doesn't exist, and it would be wasted on most of the clientele at Taylor's anyway.

Try not to be so vitriolic here, this is not an unpopular forum and people take advice from this place seriously.
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Note the bold portion above.

That is indeed a very serious issue over here for the students; all of them are claiming that they really just want to complete everything as quickly as possible and then "get the hell out of this place" ASAP. (Some of them even mentioned that all they want is just to PASS, so that they can quickly get the hell out of this place.)

Surprisingly, I am not one of them with this sort of thinking; I instead desire to enjoy my education over here. (I was even planning to continue into their Part 1 equivalent degree over here.)

At the beginning (when everyone was just beginning this course at Taylors SABD - which started back in the old campus), everyone was really happy, optimistic, and greatly looking forward to all of it, and the attitudes were really different & positive instead. However, as each semester gradually goes by, everyone was suddenly beginning to hate this place more & more for some unknown reasons to me (and they really cannot wait to get out in all urgency)...; today, none of them plan to pursue their degree (Part 1 equivalent) over here. (All of them would rather pursue it elsewhere anytime, and then it also seems to me now that I am joining the bandwagon...)

BTW, speaking about the term "vitriolic" over here...; it indeed reflects on "some" of the full time lecturers as well, and yes, they will relentlessly do it for the sake of doing it - I won't be surprise that there is even a quota for it. (It is a very 'money-minded'/greedy ecosystem.)

Regards.

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erm, i have read the previous post in this thread and Mr Azarimy state tat UTM's architecture part 2 is now a master program..

so izzit UTM the only IPTA in malaysia tat offer part 2 as a master degree?

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erm, i have read the previous post in this thread and Mr Azarimy state tat UTM's architecture part 2 is now a master program..

so izzit UTM the only IPTA in malaysia tat offer part 2 as a master degree?

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not yet. it will only begin on the 2013 intake. UiTM is the other school who will offer part 2 masters programme, i believe also during the same intake.
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i'm at terang architectural workshop now... woho! anyone here?
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just to share:

Terang! 2011 architectural workshop is in the news!

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...us&pg=ka_02.htm
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just to share:

Terang! 2011 architectural workshop is in the news!

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...us&pg=ka_02.htm
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Arkitek lari? Well duh, fresh grad same salary with 7-Eleven's worker. My colleague (Senior Architect with part 2) salary is only 3k after 8 years. I don't know who to blame, the company or the market.
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Note the bold portion above.

That is indeed a very serious issue over here for the students; all of them are claiming that they really just want to complete everything as quickly as possible and then "get the hell out of this place" ASAP. (Some of them even mentioned that all they want is just to PASS, so that they can quickly get the hell out of this place.)

Surprisingly, I am not one of them with this sort of thinking; I instead desire to enjoy my education over here. (I was even planning to continue into their Part 1 equivalent degree over here.)

At the beginning (when everyone was just beginning this course at Taylors SABD - which started back in the old campus), everyone was really happy, optimistic, and greatly looking forward to all of it, and the attitudes were really different & positive instead. However, as each semester gradually goes by, everyone was suddenly beginning to hate this place more & more for some unknown reasons to me (and they really cannot wait to get out in all urgency)...; today, none of them plan to pursue their degree (Part 1 equivalent) over here. (All of them would rather pursue it elsewhere anytime, and then it also seems to me now that I am joining the bandwagon...)

BTW, speaking about the term "vitriolic" over here...; it indeed reflects on "some" of the full time lecturers as well, and yes, they will relentlessly do it for the sake of doing it - I won't be surprise that there is even a quota for it. (It is a very 'money-minded'/greedy ecosystem.)

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You put the wrong part in bold. I may have phrased that too loosely.
they do not stop one from getting a design hammered out with the tutors at the end of the day
Please don't use/twist words out of context. There definitely isn't such a thing as a 'vitriol quota'.

Try not to slag off Taylor's in public, using reasons unknown to yourself and misplaced adjectives. You could advise personal friends and family, using specific examples. The rest of us have been there, done that. This is cleaner.

Keep your design chin up and focus on the right stuff.


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the architectural workshop is officially over!

i chaired the PAM liaison meeting this afternoon. so much discussion took place over such varied topics. but i can see the issues of IPTS struggling to keep up with LAM and MQA requirements, let alone competing with IPTAs.

most IPTS students complained that they did not have dedicated studios, which is a requirement by LAM. they had to share with other students, for example, in the morning they will use the studio, but in the afternoon a different group of students will use it. just like a lecture hall or classrooms.

they also complain that they have less contact hours with the tutors. well, although IPTS have almost similar amount of studio hours, the problem is, IPTS rely heavily on part timers. part time lecturers conduct studios at their own time, meaning it could be morning, afternoon or night, which the students might not be available.

IPTS also have a large number of students with extremely small number of staff. they average about 30 students per tutor for the studio. this is extremely over the prescribed international standard of 1 to 15. heck, in most IPTAs, the ratio now is about 1:8 to 1:12.

other issues were also discussed, like the future of politeknik graduates, PAM's role in helping the schools and the likes. it's interesting to observe that some IPTAs are still reserved and almost repulsed by the idea of having IPTS around. but in general, they vibe is more positive of having an open relationship between IPTAs and IPTSs, as compared to 7-8 years ago!

well, now, let's say good luck for the next host of the architectural workshop 2012: UPM!
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You put the wrong part in bold. I may have phrased that too loosely.
they do not stop one from getting a design hammered out with the tutors at the end of the day
Please don't use/twist words out of context. There definitely isn't such a thing as a 'vitriol quota'.

Try not to slag off Taylor's in public, using reasons unknown to yourself and misplaced adjectives. You could advise personal friends and family, using specific examples. The rest of us have been there, done that. This is cleaner.

Keep your design chin up and focus on the right stuff.
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It would be ideal not to be using a personal "writing style" when engaging in a disagreement inside a public forum like this.

To the subject;

How can the design of a student be successfully 'nurtured' when the design studio lecturer/tutor does not talk about possible ways to improve the design in question, but instead sought to attack the student's individual personality, preference, style, & design choices instead? (Ultimately trying to completely discourage the student's own personal/individual design style of preference, instead of trying to further 'assist' the student in the pursuit of his/her particular 'style' for improving the student's design.) And then a "bad grade" or "F" is being awarded to the student at the end of the day just "on the basis" of not being able to show up a "good design"; also regardless of all the incredibly hard-work, efforts, & money that was being put into the final-productions & presentation of it all as well. (Is this right?)

Another kind of sickening/arrogant attitude that is also found "in the very same set of them" follows in this manner; "If you are not able to show/demonstrate the kind of enthusiasm that we are generally looking for in our students, then please question yourself what are you doing here in this course?? In the end, I'm very sorry, you are very likely in the wrong course; and I have no time for you!! You are the type of student that I will always be failing no matter what; as long as I am in control." (All of this, instead of trying to encourage & by giving the student a brief lecture to try to enlighten the student's mind more about this course/profession/expectation/criteria.)

(Note that the good lecturers "who are humble & generous with knowledge" are very few and far between, while the bad ones will certainly make sure that you 'get it' nicely...) As a student in here, you are either lucky or very unlucky...

I will let the rest who are in the course in this institution to share their point of views & experience (if they would like to) on whether could they agree with the manner/way in which all of them were/are being treated in the program that have paid so much for? (Or rather, the lecturers in here have already been having so much of you guys in the past before, that they can now simply afford to be 'muted' or 'immune' in arrogance & ego to your needs today?)

Anyway, I am very glad that I am now finally free and I will never ever have to face 'them' ever again; I am finally out in the tranquil golden sunshine; completely saved & far away from 'their' dreadful cold presence & threats. (However, I sincerely pity the large handfuls of students who will have to face them again next semester...)

In the past, I have been positively upholding & painting a very good bright image of Taylors in the eyes of the "public"...

"But what I have successfully given; I am also having the complete liberty of taking it all back."

"I will, and with no regrets." (Yeah, I am already beginning to sound like one of them evil ones, after having faced them so much this semester...)

Regards.

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Jun 16 2011, 05:42 PM)
It would be ideal not to be using a personal "writing style" when engaging in a disagreement inside a public forum like this.

To the subject;

How can the design of a student be successfully 'nurtured' when the design studio lecturer/tutor does not talk about possible ways to improve the design in question, but instead sought to attack the student's individual personality, preference, style, & design choices instead? (Ultimately trying to completely discourage the student's own personal/individual design style of preference, instead of trying to further 'assist' the student in the pursuit of his/her particular 'style' for improving the student's design.) And then a "bad grade" or "F" is being awarded to the student at the end of the day just "on the basis" of not being able to show up a "good design"; also regardless of all the incredibly hard-work, efforts, & money that was being put into the final-productions & presentation of it all as well. (Is this right?)

Another kind of sickening/arrogant attitude that is also found "in the very same set of them" follows in this manner; "If you are not able to show/demonstrate the kind of enthusiasm that we are generally looking for in our students, then please question yourself what are you doing here in this course?? In the end, I'm very sorry, you are very likely in the wrong course; and I have no time for you!! You are the type of student that I will always be failing no matter what; as long as I am in control." (All of this, instead of trying to encourage & by giving the student a brief lecture to try to enlighten the student's mind more about this course/profession/expectation/criteria.)

(Note that the good lecturers "who are humble & generous with knowledge" are very few and far between, while the bad ones will certainly make sure that you 'get it' nicely...) As a student in here, you are either lucky or very unlucky...

I will let the rest who are in the course in this institution to share their point of views & experience (if they would like to) on whether could they agree with the manner/way in which all of them were/are being treated in the program that have paid so much for? (Or rather, the lecturers in here have already been having so much of you guys in the past before, that they can now simply afford to be 'muted' or 'immune' in arrogance & ego to your needs today?)

Anyway, I am very glad that I am now finally free and I will never ever have to face 'them' ever again; I am finally out in the tranquil golden sunshine; completely saved & far away from 'their' dreadful cold presence & threats. (However, I sincerely pity the large handfuls of students who will have to face them again next semester...)

In the past, I have been positively upholding & painting a very good bright image of Taylors in the eyes of the "public"...

"But what I have successfully given; I am also having the complete liberty of taking it all back."

"I will, and with no regrets." (Yeah, I am already beginning to sound like one of them evil ones, after having faced them so much this semester...)

Regards.
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i think it's not fair to simply judge lecturers who bash their students are worse than those who are gentle and say things nicely. students are naturally focus on their own personal affair and did little when it comes to looking at the bigger picture. heck, just look around u on how youth simply bash the government for taking away fuel subsidy.

it is to my experience that lecturers who bash are more passionate about the students' works than the gentle ones. i'm not saying bashing is a good approach. just that sometimes students need a bit of a bashing to knock some sense in their heads. i've done my fair share of bashing as some of my students here could attest to. i've failed 60% of my class and had to present myself at the university senate for doing so.

i feel that it is sometimes necessary to tell the students that by the looks of it, they have no future in architecture. better tell them NOW than later. for example in UTM, we've had one or two students who leisurely progressed through their designs with a C (minimum passing mark). although some lecturers insisted on failing them, but somehow they managed to cling on. years passed, and when they reached the final year (my turf, as i'm the thesis coordinator), they realized that they're faced with a huge wall.

many students who did average in the earlier years struggled at the final year. so those who're weak suffered massive failures every semester. and hey, i'm not gonna take pity. if u're weak, get stronger. i'm not gonna care how u do it. and if u cant see that u're weak, i will knock some sense in ur head! and i've done so in front of a raging parent. he just couldnt accept his daughter was THAT bad. i just say it to his face.

as the thesis coordinator, i'm responsible for the quality of graduating students from UTM. yeah, the students have painted me in a bad flavor, but i know a majority of them understood exactly why i did it and why i'm the only one who dared to do it. i have to ensure the quality of 100 graduating architects (part 2) from UTM each year. so if i have to fail 50% of them for not achieving the quality the school requires, i have no qualms in failing them.
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i think it's not fair to simply judge lecturers who bash their students are worse than those who are gentle and say things nicely. students are naturally focus on their own personal affair and did little when it comes to looking at the bigger picture. heck, just look around u on how youth simply bash the government for taking away fuel subsidy.

it is to my experience that lecturers who bash are more passionate about the students' works than the gentle ones. i'm not saying bashing is a good approach. just that sometimes students need a bit of a bashing to knock some sense in their heads. i've done my fair share of bashing as some of my students here could attest to. i've failed 60% of my class and had to present myself at the university senate for doing so.

i feel that it is sometimes necessary to tell the students that by the looks of it, they have no future in architecture. better tell them NOW than later. for example in UTM, we've had one or two students who leisurely progressed through their designs with a C (minimum passing mark). although some lecturers insisted on failing them, but somehow they managed to cling on. years passed, and when they reached the final year (my turf, as i'm the thesis coordinator), they realized that they're faced with a huge wall.

many students who did average in the earlier years struggled at the final year. so those who're weak suffered massive failures every semester. and hey, i'm not gonna take pity. if u're weak, get stronger. i'm not gonna care how u do it. and if u cant see that u're weak, i will knock some sense in ur head! and i've done so in front of a raging parent. he just couldnt accept his daughter was THAT bad. i just say it to his face.

as the thesis coordinator, i'm responsible for the quality of graduating students from UTM. yeah, the students have painted me in a bad flavor, but i know a majority of them understood exactly why i did it and why i'm the only one who dared to do it. i have to ensure the quality of 100 graduating architects (part 2) from UTM each year. so if i have to fail 50% of them for not achieving the quality the school requires, i have no qualms in failing them.
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Dear azarimy, I really appreciate your profound reply; it is beginning to paint a clearer picture in my mind (certainly enlightening me more).


BTW, I have missed out just a few details in my previous post;

The lecturers basically formed their own conclusions silently (in their minds) about the particular "student"; "that he/she really have no interest at all in this course"; thereby making him/her really hard to pass/make it; no matter what. (They were totally wrong; because the student really does indeed have plenty of interest in this course).

Secondly, (during the presentations); there was no sign, hint, or feedback that the student will be failing at all; everything just seems to be OK/Normal as usual...; but suddenly at the end, the student was downright "shocked" that he/she had obtained a "failed grade".

I mean come on; if I have been profoundly told off (by them) with the sense being knocked into my head and all regarding my work & the course itself; and they had explained to me the reason why I "would" have to fail, and that they would have to fail me for "these said reasons", plus being "transparent " about the grading "criteria" (which they are clearly not), and also by being opened/transparent about what they can really afford to give me (or not) based on my overall performance; then I will "willingly" accept my failure for not being able to satisfy/meet up with their predefined set of standard/criteria. (And not about - "I dislike you, I just don't like your personality; therefore it is good to failed you and you would always be failing as long as you are under me.") (Manipulating the standards to fit their desires based on emotions...)

All in all, the situation is just very volatile/unpredictable over here. If you can really please the lecturers (especially if you really attempt to), then your grades will be "Golden" (seriously). But if you are just not bothered about this sort of things, and you so happened to be under the one (this semester) who is completely against your type of person/thinking/personality/character, then it would be seriously tough luck in passing... (No matter how good you are.)

In short, I was unfortunately under the wrong clients/bosses this semester. (Who also so happened to be in-charged of my other core-subject too - "very-unfortunately"; which clearly & unsurprisingly suffered to the max too. But for my other subject; which I clearly did not do very well in - it got a pretty good grade, and obviously that subject was under a totally different lecturer.)

P.S., it is indeed very interesting to note that the lecturers which I was under "this semester" for Studio; they were supposed to be the "ultra" soft, lenient, and the "Alright" ones (according to the majority of students)... hmm.gif Wheres the ones whom I was under "last semester"; they were technically supposed to be the really harsh/hard/merciless/brutal (tell-you-off-in-the-face) ones in which students in history had greatly suffered & failed under countless of times (and these lecturers were traditionally reserved for the final Studio level in diploma & then now in Final Degree Level); but very surprisingly I had greatly excelled under them last semester and had also successfully obtained truly excellent grades. (It is also very interesting to note that this semester's bunch of lecturers for Studio; they do not get along very well with our last semester's group - as there were lots of arguments & disagreements at hand even in the studios itself.)

Additionally, last semester, we had the very good Ar. lecturers; but this semester, we had none (except cocky talk big & emo ones); who can either be very soft - lenient ---> or super hard & merciless (depending on who you are). rolleyes.gif

"The grades & standards are just being manipulated/messed around with; to fit their spur-of-the-moment desires & emotions." (There are certainly more cases to share; even one directly involving $$$$.)

Once again, you are either just lucky, or very unlucky over here.

Regards.

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Dear azarimy, I really appreciate your profound reply; it is beginning to paint a clearer picture in my mind (certainly enlightening me more).
BTW, I have missed out just a few details in my previous post;

The lecturers basically formed their own conclusions silently (in their minds) about the particular "student"; "that he/she really have no interest at all in this course"; thereby making him/her really hard to pass/make it; no matter what. (They were totally wrong; because the student really does indeed have plenty of interest in this course).

Secondly, (during the presentations); there was no sign, hint, or feedback that the student will be failing at all; everything just seems to be OK/Normal as usual...; but suddenly at the end, the student was downright "shocked" that he/she had obtained a "failed grade".

I mean come on; if I have been profoundly told off (by them) with the sense being knocked into my head and all regarding my work & the course itself; and they had explained to me the reason why I "would" have to fail, and that they would have to fail me for "these said reasons", plus being "transparent " about the grading "criteria" (which they are clearly not), and also by being opened/transparent about what they can really afford to give me (or not) based on my overall performance; then I will "willingly" accept my failure for not being able to satisfy/meet up with their predefined set of standard/criteria. (And not about - "I dislike you, I just don't like your personality; therefore it is good to failed you and you would always be failing as long as you are under me.") (Manipulating the standards to fit their desires based on emotions...)

All in all, the situation is just very volatile/unpredictable over here. If you can really please the lecturers (especially if you really attempt to), then your grades will be "Golden" (seriously). But if you are just not bothered about this sort of things, and you so happened to be under the one (this semester) who is completely against your type of person/thinking/personality/character, then it would be seriously tough luck in passing... (No matter how good you are.)

In short, I was unfortunately under the wrong clients/bosses this semester. (Who also so happened to be in-charged of my other core-subject too - "very-unfortunately"; which clearly & unsurprisingly suffered to the max too. But for my other subject; which I clearly did not do very well in - it got a pretty good grade, and obviously that subject was under a totally different lecturer.)

P.S., it is indeed very interesting to note that the lecturers which I was under "this semester" for Studio; they were supposed to be the "ultra" soft, lenient, and the "Alright" ones (according to the majority of students)... hmm.gif Wheres the ones whom I was under "last semester"; they were technically supposed to be the really harsh/hard/merciless/brutal (tell-you-off-in-the-face) ones in which students in history had greatly suffered & failed under countless of times (and these lecturers were traditionally reserved for the final Studio level in diploma & then now in Final Degree Level); but very surprisingly I had greatly excelled under them last semester and had also successfully obtained truly excellent grades. (It is also very interesting to note that this semester's bunch of lecturers for Studio; they do not get along very well with our last semester's group - as there were lots of arguments & disagreements at hand even in the studios itself.)

Additionally, last semester, we had the very good Ar. lecturers; but this semester, we had none (except cocky talk big & emo ones); who can either be very soft - lenient ---> or super hard & merciless (depending on who you are). rolleyes.gif

"The grades & standards are just being manipulated/messed around with; to fit their spur-of-the-moment desires & emotions." (There are certainly more cases to share; even one directly involving $$$$.)

Once again, you are either just lucky, or very unlucky over here.

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Dear azarimy, I really appreciate your profound reply; it is beginning to paint a clearer picture in my mind (certainly enlightening me more).
BTW, I have missed out just a few details in my previous post;

The lecturers basically formed their own conclusions silently (in their minds) about the particular "student"; "that he/she really have no interest at all in this course"; thereby making him/her really hard to pass/make it; no matter what. (They were totally wrong; because the student really does indeed have plenty of interest in this course).

Secondly, (during the presentations); there was no sign, hint, or feedback that the student will be failing at all; everything just seems to be OK/Normal as usual...; but suddenly at the end, the student was downright "shocked" that he/she had obtained a "failed grade".
that is certainly the wrong practice. when it comes to failing, we will inform the student immediately that he failed. this is so the student could make the necessary steps to appeal or request a reassessment. we have a code-of-conduct, a sort of manual where students can know their rights and the lecturers/school's rights.

the student also need to know their progress, meaning they must be informed of their grades right after the assessment of earlier projects. this is so the student could improve or decide to drop the subject. these should be made known to the students of ANY school. if ur school does not do this, clearly they're not abiding by the proper code-of-conduct required by LAM.

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I mean come on; if I have been profoundly told off (by them) with the sense being knocked into my head and all regarding my work & the course itself; and they had explained to me the reason why I "would" have to fail, and that they would have to fail me for "these said reasons", plus being "transparent " about the grading "criteria" (which they are clearly not), and also by being opened/transparent about what they can really afford to give me (or not) based on my overall performance; then I will "willingly" accept my failure for not being able to satisfy/meet up with their predefined set of standard/criteria. (And not about - "I dislike you, I just don't like your personality; therefore it is good to failed you and you would always be failing as long as you are under me.") (Manipulating the standards to fit their desires based on emotions...)

All in all, the situation is just very volatile/unpredictable over here. If you can really please the lecturers (especially if you really attempt to), then your grades will be "Golden" (seriously). But if you are just not bothered about this sort of things, and you so happened to be under the one (this semester) who is completely against your type of person/thinking/personality/character, then it would be seriously tough luck in passing... (No matter how good you are.)

In short, I was unfortunately under the wrong clients/bosses this semester. (Who also so happened to be in-charged of my other core-subject too - "very-unfortunately"; which clearly & unsurprisingly suffered to the max too. But for my other subject; which I clearly did not do very well in - it got a pretty good grade, and obviously that subject was under a totally different lecturer.)

P.S., it is indeed very interesting to note that the lecturers which I was under "this semester" for Studio; they were supposed to be the "ultra" soft, lenient, and the "Alright" ones (according to the majority of students)... hmm.gif Wheres the ones whom I was under "last semester"; they were technically supposed to be the really harsh/hard/merciless/brutal (tell-you-off-in-the-face) ones in which students in history had greatly suffered & failed under countless of times (and these lecturers were traditionally reserved for the final Studio level in diploma & then now in Final Degree Level); but very surprisingly I had greatly excelled under them last semester and had also successfully obtained truly excellent grades. (It is also very interesting to note that this semester's bunch of lecturers for Studio; they do not get along very well with our last semester's group - as there were lots of arguments & disagreements at hand even in the studios itself.)

Additionally, last semester, we had the very good Ar. lecturers; but this semester, we had none (except cocky talk big & emo ones); who can either be very soft - lenient ---> or super hard & merciless (depending on who you are). rolleyes.gif

"The grades & standards are just being manipulated/messed around with; to fit their spur-of-the-moment desires & emotions." (There are certainly more cases to share; even one directly involving $$$$.)

Once again, you are either just lucky, or very unlucky over here.

Regards.
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we avoided the whole "bodek lecturer" by having assessment by 3 different lecturers. this way, the student can bodek the tutor all they want, but the assessment will include 2 other lecturers that they might not come in contact before. sometimes one of the external is an external architect. but remember, if all 3 decides to fail u, it means u're really THAT bad wink.gif. even so, like i said before, if u've been failed, there are ways to appeal and salvage the situation.
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that is certainly the wrong practice. when it comes to failing, we will inform the student immediately that he failed. this is so the student could make the necessary steps to appeal or request a reassessment. we have a code-of-conduct, a sort of manual where students can know their rights and the lecturers/school's rights.

the student also need to know their progress, meaning they must be informed of their grades right after the assessment of earlier projects. this is so the student could improve or decide to drop the subject. these should be made known to the students of ANY school. if ur school does not do this, clearly they're not abiding by the proper code-of-conduct required by LAM.
we avoided the whole "bodek lecturer" by having assessment by 3 different lecturers. this way, the student can bodek the tutor all they want, but the assessment will include 2 other lecturers that they might not come in contact before. sometimes one of the external is an external architect. but remember, if all 3 decides to fail u, it means u're really THAT bad wink.gif. even so, like i said before, if u've been failed, there are ways to appeal and salvage the situation.
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To be fair to Taylors SABD, the grade for "each" major projects of a student (including the assessment sheet itself) are being openly revealed; by being placed/pasted over the student's works/presentation boards after the presentation. (But this is only currently happening in the Degree Program today.) (While at the Diploma level, there have not been such a thing; everything was kept invisible from us; hence I am really wondering how had they been grading us then... hmm.gif )

Next, we also do have the "moderation process" that you are talking about, however, I would like to say that it is just "so-called" only... This is because the lecturers over here typically tend to be very "buddy-buddy" like among their very own 'cliche' or 'clan'; so in the end, all three of them can come into a one-united-cohort and then fail the particular student anyway; especially when the group consist of one who is in supreme complete authority & control, while the other two are always being completely neutral & agreeing; not having a voice of their own... (And finally, there is no such thing as having an outsider or an external practitioner/architect getting involved in the very "secretive" & "sensitive" in-house moderation process over here.) (All the three lecturers/tutors involved in the moderation were always the ones whom we had always been in contact with in the Studio subject - our very own lecturers... So it becomes very easy for them to show all the prejudice or favor they want...)

Some of the lecturers over here are indeed very selective/bias; they will generally "like" to fail only certain kinds/types of students...

But, they have not managed to fail me in any of the subjects in this program "ever". (Just in-case if any of you are wondering.) (However, my whole CGPA has indeed been severely affected because of this particular semester alone; where the total has now dropped to about 60%.)

(It was certainly very unfortunate to have had that "particular" lecturer in my other core-subject as well, where he certainly took the complete maximum opportunity & advantage to deliver even much-more of the "highly-desired" damage to my overall grades/GPA for this semester; he really seriously wanted to stop/halt my pursue of "Architecture"; he really wanted me to stay "out" of this profession altogether; he was really literally in total-desperation to fail me/to stop me; he is claiming that I am a "potential" "threat" to this profession; he is claiming in anguish that this profession would certainly do much better without a future architect like me... Just imagine having him as lecturer in both of my final core subjects in this final semester... shocking.gif )

Regards.

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hi. im interested in architecture. but the prob here, i dont have a strong drawing skills and also i kinda dont really think that i am a creative as an architecture student.

is my prob can be solve when i learn creative thinking?
btw, i plan to take foundation in natural n built envirnmnt at taylors by this july. any advice for newbie?
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hi. im interested in architecture. but the prob here, i dont have a strong drawing skills and also i kinda dont really think that i am a creative as an architecture student.

is my prob can be solve when i learn creative thinking?
btw, i plan to take foundation in natural n built envirnmnt at taylors by this july. any advice for newbie?
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Young dude, my advice for you is that you would really have to start learning how to draw as well as start building up your creativity ASAP, and then quickly master those set of skills... You won't be learning all of it over here at Taylors... The classes are really huge over here in foundation & degree level and most of the time you would just be thrown out into the ocean to survive by your own capability, might, & will... You would be expected to discover & learn most of it by yourself and then apply all of those skills in style & perfection into your various exercises & projects; you don't make it you fail as simple as that. There are lecturers who are cold and won't be having time for you. Most of the time it is all centered on "you" to deliver, produce, keep on producing, and showing work instead of receiving & feeding on information from the lecturers. You will be lucky to have good lecturers who occasionally give "free" lectures or talks; but never put your bet on it. It is expensive, and all the "heat" is on you to produce & to keep on producing work & results in order to pass... You must be willing to "invest" on medias & materials, and not blink an eye when all of it goes to waste together with your effort after each weekly tutorial sessions with the ones who will always be making you miserable & disappointed.

Note that regardless of whether you are in an IPTA (public) or IPTS (private), both are basically the same and will "throw" you out into the jungle to survive; to get stuck in quicksands & be bitten by leaches, but ultimately to stay alive and get out successfully to learn with experience... The only biggest difference is that in an IPTS (private) you will "Pay" a hefty price tag "just" to have the opportunity to undergo it all... (Go figure...)

Finally, FNBE (the so-called foundation program) is marketing; I do not think that you will be learning much from it other than doing loads of "cheesy" or "childish" exercises & projects lead by really young tutors (some of them are probably still students), and the program is very expensive IMHO. (Then after that once you step into the actual degree program itself, suddenly everything becomes 20X harder and you realize that you can't cope, while those who came in from diploma level are performing much better than ever, than those from the foundation level...) In addition, all of the MQA subjects are also being cramped into that one year foundation program... Think how worth is that?

Regards.

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drawing skills and creativity

These are essential aptitudes/qualities to do architecture. If you don't have them, I'm afraid you're not suited to take up architecture. You need to have at least some of it for a start. Otherwise, you'd struggling through the course. You can have a string of A's in other subjects but it does not mean you will do well in architecture.

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personally, i would put a lot of it on creativity. u'll learn how to draw from ur seniors and peers. we dont really teach u how to draw, but for a creative person, it'll naturally come to u. if u cant draw by hand, u can draw it using computers or model it using boards and glue. creativity has no limit, and it's up to u to explore the outer edge of ur capability.

but i have to caution u. architecture depends a lot on YOU. if u cant pull ur own weight, aint nobody gonna do it for u. benjamin already mentioned, first we chuck u in the sea, and we'll see who floats and who sinks.
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omg..sounds like it's really scary things to involve in this course. my sister also adviced me for taking diploma. but, it might take a longer pathway as i am already 19 now.

i just finished my matriculation at kptm. but i dont get the interview for degree in archi, and i think it might be the best way to become an architect.
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omg..sounds like it's really scary things to involve in this course. my sister also adviced me for taking diploma. but, it might take a longer pathway as i am already 19 now.

i just finished my matriculation at kptm. but i dont get the interview for degree in archi, and i think it might be the best way to become an architect.
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if u already have done matriculation, i seriously recommend going straight to degree. why waste time doing diploma when u're already able to do degree?
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if u already have done matriculation, i seriously recommend going straight to degree. why waste time doing diploma when u're already able to do degree?
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my results is below the entry requirement mr azarimy.. sad.gif
any suggestion for me, as u've a lot of experience in this field..
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QUOTE(ghina_sandra @ Jun 18 2011, 04:35 PM)
my results is below the entry requirement mr azarimy.. sad.gif
any suggestion for me, as u've a lot of experience in this field..
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u can always opt for IPTS and somehow work for a credit transfer. if u've done matriculation, if it's above 2.00, u can always go somewhere for a degree.
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halo aza, may i knw where is the tuition center architecture part time study for utm-space? according to the utm space website tat show architecture tuition center oni available in kl, may i knw is tat skudai, johor oso hv architecture part time study? if yes, wat is the different between of them? and should i need to do interview part? n hw many year should i need to spend to complete the course? of course, im talking about the degree lv? r u doing to incharge this part time study?

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halo aza, may i knw where is the tuition center architecture part time study for utm-space? according to the utm space website tat show architecture tuition center oni available in kl, may i knw is tat skudai, johor oso hv architecture part time study? if yes, wat is the different between of them? and should i need to do interview part? n hw many year should i need to spend to complete the course? of course, im talking about the degree lv? r u doing to incharge this part time study?
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actually, a vast majority of UTM SPACE students are those working in KL. hence why the center normally only opens in KL. if in a current batch there's a bunch of people from JB or johor, they can shift the center to skudai.

there's no difference between the locations. they're taught by the same lecturers using the same content. perhaps the only difference is the environment and the group u're involved with.

if u're taking from 1st year, u will need about 8-9 years to finish. normal architectural degree is 5 years.

no, i'm not incharge of the part time study, nor am i teaching it. but i'm close with the coordinator of the part time programme for architecture.
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Azarimy,
If I happened to have to sit for Lam Part I examination, would you reckon that the assessed knowledge includes historical & theoretical knowledge? As in hand in hand with design proficiency and technical knowledge of architecture?

As I've understood that the whole syllabus and curriculum of Bsc Arch is assessed, I believe that the 'full portfolio' in this sense includes assignments related to drawing skills and building construction. Nevertheless, I would like to check that beforehand with you if you happen to know the process.

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QUOTE(ghina_sandra @ Jun 18 2011, 02:19 AM)
hi. im interested in architecture. but the prob here, i dont have a strong drawing skills and also i kinda dont really think that i am a creative as an architecture student.

is my prob can be solve when i learn creative thinking?
btw, i plan to take foundation in natural n built environment at taylors by this july. any advice for newbie?
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where is this? taylors? LKW?
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where is this? taylors? LKW?
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QUOTE(yangsquare @ Jun 25 2011, 02:06 AM)
Azarimy,
If I happened to have to sit for Lam Part I examination, would you reckon that the assessed knowledge includes historical & theoretical knowledge? As in hand in hand with design proficiency and technical knowledge of architecture?

As I've understood that the whole syllabus and curriculum of Bsc Arch is assessed, I believe that the 'full portfolio' in this sense includes assignments related to drawing skills and building construction. Nevertheless, I would like to check that beforehand with you if you happen to know the process.
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they wont ask anything specific on history, but rather about concepts in history. for example, u cant escape from talking about modernism and how it changed architecture of today, but they wont go specific as in when and where was ronchamp chapel built. but whatever it is, it will almost always be in context of your design, unless u give them a reason to explore anything beyond that. for example, lack of knowledge in it, or if u did not manage to exhibit convincing amount of it in ur design.

it would be helpful to have everything u've done during part 1 alongside. i've seen people carrying a stack of reports/assignments for review in the exam, but i have no idea if those were actually assessed or not.

QUOTE(coollove @ Jun 25 2011, 04:32 PM)
where is this? taylors? LKW?
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i think it's pretty obvious by the lack of chinese faces that this is not in malaysia wink.gif.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 19 2011, 11:54 PM)
actually, a vast majority of UTM SPACE students are those working in KL. hence why the center normally only opens in KL. if in a current batch there's a bunch of people from JB or johor, they can shift the center to skudai.

there's no difference between the locations. they're taught by the same lecturers using the same content. perhaps the only difference is the environment and the group u're involved with.

if u're taking from 1st year, u will need about 8-9 years to finish. normal architectural degree is 5 years.

no, i'm not incharge of the part time study, nor am i teaching it. but i'm close with the coordinator of the part time programme for architecture.
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im nt sure my situation nw, im jz graduate from poly malaysia. so, hw many year i need to spend to finish this DEGREE course? i mean, can i skip it?
beside tat, izzit tis Uni degree certificate lv equivalent with part II lv? i mean, after i finish tis 8-9 year course, can i register for part II exam privately?
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QUOTE(Tal @ Jun 26 2011, 08:53 AM)
im nt sure my situation nw, im jz graduate from poly malaysia. so, hw many year i need to spend to finish this DEGREE course? i mean, can i skip it?
beside tat, izzit tis Uni degree certificate lv equivalent with part II lv? i mean, after i finish tis 8-9 year course, can i register for part II exam privately?
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with poly technic diploma, u should be able to join at 2nd year 2nd sem. that would amount to about 6 years.

since UTM SPACE degree is not accredited, u cant skip the part 1 and 2 exams. so u will need to sit for the exam individually.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 26 2011, 10:31 PM)
with poly technic diploma, u should be able to join at 2nd year 2nd sem. that would amount to about 6 years.

since UTM SPACE degree is not accredited, u cant skip the part 1 and 2 exams. so u will need to sit for the exam individually.
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If he is lucky enough, he can start with 3rd year 1st sem. Depends on your result/work experience as well.
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QUOTE(shiinkuro31 @ Jun 26 2011, 02:56 PM)
If he is lucky enough, he can start with 3rd year 1st sem. Depends on your result/work experience as well.
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If you can survive drawing 40-80 A1 sheets without drawing skill..
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Thank God I'm done my Master,  cool2.gif
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Interesting photos you have captured there, (which conveys the general insides of the architecture studio environment you are having at your designated institution).

BTW, which subject & semester-level were the drawings for, and was it a requirement to perform the drafting works manually with technical pen/pencils?

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where is this? taylors? LKW?
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It certainly won't be Taylors.

None of the lecturers in here (SABD) are professors with a PHD to begin with, and I'm not referring to the tiny handful with Ar. title; whom are certainly good without doubt (but are just part-timers).

Regards.

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a new ranking is up:

http://www.graduatearchitecture.com/ARCHSC...schools_en.html

i'm not sure what criteria they use for ranking, but it's interesting to see that they list UTM as #6 in Asia wink.gif.

1. Tokyo Institute of Technology
2. Chinese University of Hong Kong
3. University of Tokyo
4. American University of Sharjah, UAE
5. Kyoto University
6. Universiti Teknologi Malaysia
7. The School of Planning and Architecture, Delhi
8. University of Tehran
9. Kyugn Hee University, Seoul
10. Technion University, Tel Aviv
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 28 2011, 08:46 AM)
a new ranking is up:

http://www.graduatearchitecture.com/ARCHSC...schools_en.html

i'm not sure what criteria they use for ranking, but it's interesting to see that they list UTM as #6 in Asia wink.gif.

1. Tokyo Institute of Technology
2. Chinese University of Hong Kong
3. University of Tokyo
4. American University of Sharjah, UAE
5. Kyoto University
6. Universiti Teknologi Malaysia
7. The School of Planning and Architecture, Delhi
8. University of Tehran
9. Kyugn Hee University, Seoul
10. Technion University, Tel Aviv
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Wow. How reliable is this ranking? It's interesting to see Unitec as the top architecture school in Australasia and also in the top ten in the world. hmm.gif
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Wow. How reliable is this ranking? It's interesting to see Unitec as the top architecture school in Australasia and also in the top ten in the world.  hmm.gif
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as a UTM staff, i'm gonna say EXTREMELY ACCURATE tongue.gif. but seriously, the disclaimer says it's a work in progress.
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Bro Azarimy, you know anything about IPDM registration?
Need to sit for exam or just submit log book? not very clear on their website.
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Bro Azarimy, you know anything about IPDM registration?
Need to sit for exam or just submit log book? not very clear on their website.
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Those with LAM Part 3 are automatically registrable with IPDM.
Anyway, you do not need to register with IPDM to practice ID in Malaysia. Anyone can call himself/herself an interior designer. There is no law to prevent one from doing so, unlike for Architects (Architect's Act).
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jun 30 2011, 05:40 PM)
Those with LAM Part 3 are automatically registrable with IPDM.
Anyway, you do not need to register with IPDM to practice ID in Malaysia. Anyone can call himself/herself an interior designer. There is no law to prevent one from doing so, unlike for Architects (Architect's Act).
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That was what I thought...
(Funny that you should mention Architect's Act...)



Architect's Act (2007 revision)

PART Va
SPECIAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO INTERIOR DESIGNERS
Restrictions on unregistered Interior Designers
27A. No person shall, unless he is an Interior Designer –
(a) practise or carry on business as an Interior Designer;
(b) be entitled to describe himself or hold himself out under any name, style
or title -
(i) bearing the words ‘Interior Designer’ or the equivalent thereto in any
language; or
(ii) bearing any other word whatsoever in any language which may
reasonably be construed to imply that he is an Interior Designer;
© use or display any sign, board, card or other device representing or
implying that he is an Interior Designer; or
(d) be entitled to recover in any court any fee, charge, remuneration or other
form of consideration for any advice or services rendered as an Interior
Designer.



Apparently not. ID now part of the Architect's Act... rclxub.gif


Added on June 30, 2011, 7:14 pmSo assuming I am not LAM part 3. How to register?

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This is something new to me. I don't think LAM has informed its members about the revision.
Does the revision define how one becomes an Interior Designer?
I can imagine they would need to have a list of recognized degrees and exam similar to the architect's Part 3.
If the law is strictly enforced, I'm sure most of the practitioners would be in breach. I don't think most of the ID's in practice have degree qualifications.
Still, it doesn't really matter in practice as the interior designer does not have to deal with the authorities. The architect has to interact with various government authorities for approvals but the interior designer does not. The ID's responsibilities are confined to within four wall, literally.
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May I know whether the present course for the Politeknik Diploma in Seni Bina is conducted in English or BM ? rclxub.gif

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May I know whether the present course for the Politeknik Diploma in Seni Bina is conducted in English or BM ? rclxub.gif
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officially in BM. but they've been teaching in both languages informally due to the lack of vocabulary in BM regarding architecture.
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This is something new to me. I don't think LAM has informed its members about the revision.
Does the revision define how one becomes an Interior Designer?
I can imagine they would need to have a list of recognized degrees and exam similar to the architect's Part 3.
If the law is strictly enforced, I'm sure most of the practitioners would be in breach.  I don't think most of the ID's in practice have degree qualifications.
Still, it doesn't really matter in practice as the interior designer does not have to deal with the authorities.  The architect has to interact with various government  authorities for approvals but the interior designer does not. The ID's responsibilities are confined to within four wall, literally.
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It matters because any government related jobs would require you to Be a registered ID. Also you legally can't call yourself an Interior Designer.

A good ID would redefine your four walls. Don't confuse Interior DESIGNER with Interior DECORATOR. whistling.gif
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What government related jobs? As far as I know, the public sector does not employ dedicated interior designers. The interior design work is either done in-house by their architectural department (as in JKR) or farmed out to private consultants. Architects usually undertake the whole job (public sector) including the ID part. You need to be a registered Architect, not a registered ID. You can say that 99.9i% of the interior work there is is done by the private sector. And in the private sector, the registration is irrelevant since you'd have no dealing with the authorities.

BTW, I undertake a fair bit of ID work myself in the private sector and have recently completed a government project inclusive of ID.

Where did you get that 'revision of Architect's Act'? Is there a list of recognized ID qualifications?
Like LAM, they would need to have all the rest - an accreditation board. examination board, etc to be in a position to regulate the ID profession.

If you want to be strict about it, graduate architects (those with Part II) cannot also call themselves as architects. But, in practice, who really cares.

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jul 1 2011, 11:56 AM)
What government related jobs?  As far as I know, the public sector does not employ dedicated interior designers. The interior design work is either done in-house by their architectural department (as in JKR) or  farmed out to private consultants.  Architects usually undertake the whole job (public sector) including the ID part. You need to be a registered Architect, not a registered ID.  You can say that 99.9i% of  the interior work there is is done by the private sector. And in the private sector, the registration is irrelevant since you'd have no dealing with the authorities.

BTW, I undertake a fair bit of ID work myself in the private sector and have recently completed a government project inclusive of ID.

Where did you get that 'revision of Architect's Act'? Is there a list of recognized ID qualifications?
Like LAM, they would need to have all the rest - an accreditation board. examination board, etc to be in a position to regulate the ID profession. It is not clear what the recognized ID qualifications is...

If you want to be strict about it, graduate architects (those with Part II) cannot also call themselves as architects. But, in practice, who really cares.
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Here is where I got it

Amendment to Architect's Act

Architect's Act 1967(Amendment April 2007)



Graduate architects can be called 'architect' just not Professional Architect with the bearing "Ar" whistling.gif


I am asking this because before there was only MSID, but apparently now they have merged with IPDM. And from the looks of it, they are trying to regulate the field of ID. It is not clear what are the recognized ID qualifications. That is why I am asking in the previous post...

If according to the Architect Act above, you cannot be hired as an ID if you are not registered. You can do the work but if the client dont want to pay, you cant sue them because you are not a registered ID... rclxub.gif

PART Va
SPECIAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO INTERIOR DESIGNERS
Restrictions on unregistered Interior Designers
27A. No person shall, unless he is an Interior Designer –
...
...
(d) be entitled to recover in any court any fee, charge, remuneration or other
form of consideration for any advice or services rendered as an Interior
Designer.


Also they can actually sue you for fraud as you cannot call yourself ID... blink.gif

Don't get paid, then kena counter sue lagi... doh.gif

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OK, I remember reading the revision to the act about the increase in fines before, I must have missed the part on ID registration. So the IDPM have managed to 'tumpang' the LAM and got the Act amended to gain recognition and protection. The provisions in the Act relating to ID practice appear very loose. It seems to me that they are put there just because a certain group want them to be included in the Act. Whether they can be enforceable is another matter.

I just wonder how many practitioners of ID's are actually registered with IDPM. From IDPM's list, you find that most of the ID firms are actually architectural firms. It seems that those who are eligible to register are mostly Architects. And I know there are also many architectural firms who do ID work and are not registered with IDPM.

Has there been any case action taken against people practising ID but are not registered with IDPM. I doubt it very much (haven't read of any in the Berita LAM). The legal aspect is one thing, the reality on the ground is another. I wonder how they are going to regulate the ID profession when they don't even have the regulatory framework as in having an accreditation board, examination board, etc. Or the same people in the architectural board double up as the boards for ID?

In fact, registered architects are also not spared the reality of 'doing work and not getting paid'. Consultancy is a business especially in the private sector and in business you don't always go by the book.

Bishop, why would you be interested to register with IDPM and not LAM Part III direct (assuming you got your Part II).


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That's not fraud, I think it is 'misrepresentation' in legal term.

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Bishop, why would you be interested to register with IDPM and not LAM Part III direct (assuming you got your Part II).

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On my own now and doing more ID works. blush.gif

Can I do part III if not working in an Architectural company? blink.gif
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QUOTE(Bishop @ Jul 2 2011, 03:05 PM)
On my own now and doing more ID works.  blush.gif

Can I do part III if  not working in an Architectural company?  blink.gif
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yes u can. how do u expect those in academia or government offices get their part 3? tongue.gif

but u do need to be supervised by a part 3 architect while fulfilling the logbook doing architectural jobs.

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