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post Apr 23 2011, 03:13 PM

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@azarimy,

I would like some advice.. I have recently been accepted into the diploma in architecture course at tarc with scholarship. I'm not sure whether to accept their offer as i've not really heard much about their architecture course. I'm also considering the diploma from limkokwing in kuching. My plan is to pursue my degree overseas particularly in Australasia after completing my diploma. I would like to know, is it a good choice to go to tarc? Is their architecture course recognised by overseas institutions? Or is it a wiser choice to stay and pursue my diploma in limkokwing? I have to make my decision soon as the course in tarc is about to start.. I would much appreciate your advice. smile.gif
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post Apr 23 2011, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 23 2011, 03:32 PM)
neither diplomas are truly recognizable overseas. LUCT's will be recognized by a select school in australia, but not the rest of the world. this is the same with TARC's as well.

but bottom line is, if u're targeting a degree, it does not matter which path u took. if doing architecture in TARC can get u into a recognized/credible school like melbourne or RMIT, then got for it. but if it only lands u in some backwater school in russia, then why bother?

figure out ur destination. then u will better understand which path u gonna take. if u cant decide, then i recommend the safer choice: A-levels or STPM.
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Thank you for your opinion. Right now my choices are limited to LUCT and TARC. Most of overseas university require arts and portfolio with a-levels.. There seems to be no institution in malaysia that offers art as a subject in a-levels. Being a science student i'm not sure if i can come up with a good enough portfoilio. I have been told by agents that most Australian universities(eg. RMIT, uni melb etc..) accept LUCT's diploma. The counsellor in tarc said advance standing into the robert gordon university is given to tarc diploma holders. she also told me that i can apply to most universities once i complete the course. But almost every university that offers diploma says that u can apply to any university with their diploma. I dont know how true that statement is. But what i really like to know, is that as person involved in architecture education, which of these two schools do you think is more reputable and can offer a better education in architecture?
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post Apr 26 2011, 04:57 PM

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Can someone help me on a few questions regarding LAM accreditation?

If i were to take my diploma in LUCT then continue my part 1 and part 2 degree at one of the recognized overseas institutions listed in http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditationlist.html , am I exempted from the part 1 and part 2 exam? or do i still have to take both exams even though i have fully completed the degree and masters at the instutution?

Any help is much appreiated. smile.gif
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post Apr 26 2011, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Apr 26 2011, 05:23 PM)
Unfortunately, you are required to take LAM Parts 1 & 2 as part of your degree, even though a small part, was done in an unaccredited uni ie. LUCT. The degree may be accredited by RIBA/ARAIA but not by our LAM.

This would probably set you back by another year.

Surprisingly,  a lot of students taking this route are not aware of this.

Have you started the diploma in LUCT?
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So even though i have completed my part 2 degree fully in an accredited school i am still required to take the part 2 exam? blink.gif Am i exempted from certain papers from the exam? what is the difference between being accredited by RIBA/overseas boards and LAM? If i were to work overseas am i required to be registered by LAM? Or is it jus sufficient to be registered by RIBA/ overseas architect boards?

And no i haven't started the diploma in LUCT yet. I am thinking of applying for the july intake in the borneo campus as i am from East Malaysia. I wanted to apply for the utm diploma but was too late by the time i fond out about it. unsure.gif
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post Apr 26 2011, 06:40 PM

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actually, u can. assuming u did both part 1 and 2 locally.
So what your saying is that i'd get exempted if i did both part 1 & 2 locally(utm etc.)?

What about doing part 1 & 2 overseas? (UCL, RMIT, Auck U, Sheffield etc.) after doing an unaccredited diploma?

Is it considered twinning if i use my LUCT diploma to enter into an overseas university? hmm.gif
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post Apr 26 2011, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 06:47 PM)
all overseas graduates now will have to sit for the exam, regardless of accreditation.

for those from accredited degree (RIBA, RAIA etc), u will go through an interview where u will pin-up/exhibit ur portfolio. this is fairly straightforward. they will assess all ur works based on LAM part 1 or 2 criteria. they will ask u a few questions, explore on ur works, ur experience and knowledge of local practice.

those from non-accredited degree, i heard it's a little bit different.

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Referring to what u said, and just to be clear about the subject, is that what I'll be going through if i complete my part 1 & 2 degree overseas after the LUCT diploma or even if i went through the utm diploma? No exams? hmm.gif

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post Apr 26 2011, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 07:43 PM)
no, if u join an IPTA (accredited) and pass, u will be exempted, accordingly. it doesnt matter which diploma.

what u should worry is that, whether the IPTS diploma can qualify u into an IPTA in the first place.
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Alright. But if i join and complete my part 1 & 2 in an accredited overseas university, I'll just have go through the interview etc. to pass the part 1 & 2? huh.gif
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post Apr 26 2011, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 08:08 PM)
let me make a little correction.

those graduating from RIBA schools that is accredited by LAM (refer LAM website) can immediately register as a graduate member and practice. those not from those universities, regardless being accredited by RIBA, must go through the exam as mentioned before.

- as clarified by the CAAEM member.
refer above.
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So going through this route
SPM>LUCT diploma>apply into part 1 degree(overseas LAM accredited school)>part 2 degree(overseas LAM accredited school)
Does what you said apply to me? I can immediately register as a graduate member?
Or do i have to take both exams because i did my diploma in LUCT?

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post Apr 26 2011, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 08:33 PM)
if u graduate from LAM accredited schools, u should be able to register as LAM graduate member. but whether u can do so without any problem remains to be seen.
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Alright.. Its good to hear that smile.gif Btw what kinds of problem will i face in the accreditation process? Does it depend on my grades?

On another issue, If i were to work overseas, all I have do is to register with the relevant board of that particular country?
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post Apr 26 2011, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 08:56 PM)
i really cant say.
definitely.
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lol. erm ok. Well then, thanks alot for your help Mr.Azarimy. happy.gif I'll be back if i have anymore questions.
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post May 13 2011, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 12 2011, 05:58 PM)
yes. i've discussed this matter quite thoroughly with one of the CAAEM member, and he agrees that taylor's at the moment is the closest IPTS to getting accreditation. and i wont be surprised if taylor would manage to get it this july. they had the preliminary visit by CAAEM, and they were quite satisfied, minus some issues that only would take a year or two to fix.

there are lots of other reasons why an IPTS did not get accreditation. two of the major issues common to all are:

i. lack of peer learning: there's little to no evidence that peer learning occurs in the school. and we're not talking about group works here. most students are just concerned about their own self, their own works and their own grades. look at any IPTAs and u will see a stark contrast in the community.

ii. lack of facilities. most of it is about dedicated studio. in IPTAs, studio is assigned to the students, but in IPTS, the student is assigned to the studio. students share the studio with other students according to the schedule. if it's not their time, they have to go out. just like u use a classroom. LAM requires the student to have their own studio for use throughout the semester and not be shared by those not a part of their group/unit.

others like the lack of computing facilities are quite common. one IPTS actually tried to "mask" a bunch of computers into a lab just to fulfill this requirement. but when the committee checked with the students, they told them that the lab was just "assembled" 4 days before the visit. so this practically cheating the students.
so it's not impossible to achieve accreditation. UTM just finished its accreditation now. i can tell u that they are extremely objective. it's as scary as the audit system.
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@Azarimy,
Besides Taylor's, are there any other IPTS that are up for accreditation this year? When will the results be out? hmm.gif
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post May 14 2011, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 14 2011, 12:45 AM)
i dont think any other are due this year. but i dont have the schedule wink.gif.

results are normally known during the exit meeting (between the school and the panel on the final day of the visit). they will inform whether it's ok or not. then they will have to return and write a full report, which holds the formal, official results.
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Are you saying that Taylor's is the only IPTS to apply for LAM accreditation this year? What about accreditation visits to other IPTS's by LAM? blink.gif

I would like to know, how are we able to find out the results of the LAM accreditation? Such as success and failure of an institution of obtaining LAM accreditation. Is the info available in the LAM website? sweat.gif
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post May 21 2011, 10:05 PM

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I have a few questions.

If I completed my part 1 degree in Australian or New Zealand universities such as RMIT,UQ or Uni of Auckland, am I able to pursue my part 2 degree/masters in top architecture unis in the uk such as UCL, AA and such? Do these universities accept qualifications from Australian/nz unis?

How hard/easy is it to get in with aus/nz degrees?

Any assistance rendered is much appreciated smile.gif
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post May 21 2011, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 21 2011, 10:54 PM)
i got in bartlett (UCL) masters using my measly UTM degree. some friend of mine went to AA using diploma from UTM. it's safe to say if they accept UTM diploma/degree, they definitely accept australian reputable schools'.
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That's good to know. thanks. smile.gif

Btw, how strict is the admission there? Since the AA and Bartlett being the top architecture schools in the uk, i'm guessing it's pretty hard to get in. What does it take to get a place? How is the admission process and the interviews? If you don't mind explaining your experience in getting in and the education there. sweat.gif
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post May 22 2011, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 22 2011, 02:15 PM)
undergraduate is a bit harder to get in compared to masters (the one i took). for masters, it's pretty straightforward. i filled out the form, enclosed 2 endorsement letters, ceevees and stuff and sent it. the next thing i know, offer conditional offer letter came in. then sorted out the scholarship thingy, and a few days letter the unconditional letter came in. then i'm off.

they would prefer an interview, but it's not always necessary. if ur ceevee and portfolio is good enough, they dont need to interview u.
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Did you went there on scholarship? So basically if you have a good portfolio and cevee, the chances of getting in for the masters degree is quite good?
That's good to know. biggrin.gif

I'm actually planning to study my part 2 masters degree in the uk after completing part 1 in Aus/NZ. Based on your experience there, how was the education there? Is it as good as all the hype and what people presumed it to be? smile.gif
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post May 23 2011, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 23 2011, 02:52 PM)
Hi

Why did you move to study in UK after part 1?
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Lol. I said that I was planning to do that. Haven't started my diploma yet. =)
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post May 24 2011, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 03:37 PM)
i went there on scholarship, yes. and yes, u would need good portfolio and ceevee. but truth be told, my portfolio isnt much to shout about. i never scored an A in design. the highest is A-. but i've got a good ceevee, ranging from local competitions to the director of international student event.

bottom line is, they dont only look at ur grades. portfolio and ceevees matter too.

the education in the UK is fairly different, but mostly on the approach part. they are more open, but always rigorous. they have strong motivations to succeed with their works. and success is whatever they define themselves. in malaysia, most motivation is governed by the need to get an A. and ofcourse, studying in the UK puts u very close to a lot of different countries. EU consists of a lot of different countries and cultures. so everything is within affordable range if u're staying in the UK.

my wife and i spent most of our scholarship money traveling. the rest of the students spent it on clothes, gadgets, furnitures and cars. those things i could buy later when i'm richer. but traveling? u can only do it when u have no kids to worry about. so it's either when we're young, or when we're really, really old wink.gif.

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Studying in the uk definitely sounds interesting. biggrin.gif What scholarship were you on? JPA?

It seems that portfolio and ceevees that are more important than grades in architecture. hmm.gif
Btw just to be sure, what's ceevee? Sorry but I'm not really sure. hehe. Care to explain? sweat.gif thx

Another question, will work experience help in the admission into the part 1 degree? I'm thinking of working for a few months or so as I will be finishing around june and will have half a year before the intake for the degree course. Will this help in gaining admission into a uni? even if it is just for a few months? hmm.gif


Added on May 24, 2011, 4:23 pm
QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 24 2011, 08:14 AM)
So why do you want to do it that way?

Part 1 in Oz and Part2 in UK?
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Well to me, we can learn alot through exposure and travelling. Compared to just staying in one place, the experience when being and living in different places will definitely help you in life and give you a different perspective on things and on life. If given the chance to live in different continents, wouldn't you? I definitely will my friend wink.gif

After finishing my diploma, i'd probably be studying in Aus or NZ as they are not as strict on admission into their part 1. Most of the unis there will recognise diploma as an entry requirement into the 2nd year or so. Unlike uk universities, which are more strict about admission. Most of the unis will not accept diplomas especially if its architecture. I also have family in aus and have been there several times and i loved the place.

Uk is no doubt one of the best places to study architecture. With great architecture all around you its sure to be inspiring. And with unis like the bartlett and AA, it makes it even better. If i can I'd definitely want to study there. With a part 1 degree i'm guessing it'll be easier to enter into the unis there for the part 2 smile.gif

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post May 24 2011, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 04:46 PM)
i was on JPA-UTM scholarship.

ceevee = curriculum vitae.

and yes, portfolio and ceevees are more important than grades in architecture.

they dont expect work experience for part 1. so most of the time, they just disregard it unless u worked under zaha hadid or some big shot architect prior to part 1. but for part 2, yes, work experience counts.

and btw, work experience is usually counted by YEARS, not months wink.gif.
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I see. So your that saying work experience wont help in my admission into a part 1 uni? Can't work experience be counted in the ceevee then? hmm.gif

What about admission into a part 1 degree? Is it also based on portfolio and cevees?
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post May 24 2011, 10:42 PM

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Mr. Azarimy, I have emailed PAM about accreditation of the LICT>Overseas recognised part 1&2 degree and have received different replies.

This is what i have received from the Executive Secretary of PAM, Zarina Ibrahim:

"Completing both Part I and Part II from LAM accredited course either from a local or overseas school of architecture will exempt the student from the LAM Part I and Part II Examinations.
Without any details supplied, the answers to the questions posed along with the stated situation will be :-
YES - LAM will recognise both Part I and II from a LAM accredited course from a school of architecture,
YES - you are exempted from LAM Part I and II Examinations, and thus NO to having to take the LAM Part I and II Examinations."

I have also received another reply from PAM Sarawak:

"Stated below is the reply from one of our architect on your questions.
I believe that for architecture courses to be exempted from part 1 &
2, the course need to be 'full time at the campus' of the institution.

So, I am assuming that if he does part of his course at Lim Kok Wing
then transfer to another recognized institution, he would still need
to go thru part 1 & 2 assessment by LAM."


I'm confused as I have sent both PAM and PAM Sarawak Chapter the same email detailing the path of which i'm planning to take. Which is the LICT credit transfer to an overseas recognised part 1&2 degree. blink.gif

If you dont mind, which of this is the right answer? Will I or will I not be eligible to be exempted from the part 1&2 LAM exams? Mind to clarify?


Added on May 24, 2011, 10:44 pm
QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 10:42 PM)
like i said, work experience normally counted by the years. so if u have any prior experience less than a year, usually it's just going to sit there in ur ceevee to look pretty wink.gif. but it may add a bit to ur credibility should it come to a tie-breaker situation.
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So for my work experience to be counted it has to be at least a year? Does it have to be continuous? Alright then. Thanks. smile.gif

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post May 24 2011, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 24 2011, 10:49 PM)
why did u email PAM, where the body controlling the accreditation is LAM? these are two different bodies. u should've emailed LAM and get a straight answer.

if u observe carefully, both are indeed correct. the secretary of PAM was indeed correct. she just missed the part that it must be done in a particular institution full time. LUCT have a knack of circumventing this ruling by declaring that their degree is 3+0, meaning u will be doing it in a particular campus full time entirely. the trick is, instead of u going abroad for a 2+1 programme, they will bring the examiners from overseas here, and then call it a full time course.
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I did in fact email LAM but I haven't received any reply. It has already been almost a month since.

So does this mean that if i did my diploma in LUCT and then transfer to a recognised part 1&2 degree, my degrees wont be recognised because that the part 1 degree is not done fully at the recognised institution? I'm not planning to study the degree course in luct or any other ipts's as i know it wont be recognised even if i transfered. I am however unsure about the diploma>degree recognition. icon_question.gif

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