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 So you're interested in ARCHITECTURE? Version 3, A guide to becoming an Architect

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tehtmc
post Mar 15 2011, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(sheiberlee @ Mar 14 2011, 09:16 PM)
boss..just my 2 cents..u missed out UTM space..part time programme.. and yes.. UTM 5 years.. and wright never went to archi school..

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UTM SPACE programme is not accredited. There will be no end if you were to include all the unaccredited programmes.

Wright was from the nineteeth century.
Nowadays, there are also many without qualification(Part III and registered) who practice architecture, that is if they can find a qualified architect to be the 'submitting person'. Strictly, it is against the law but is being done.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 16 2011, 11:16 AM)
well, UTM main programme accreditation have expired last october, and the accreditation will commence this may. technically due to this lapse, UTM is no more visible in the PAM list of accredited schools.

to answer why SPACE was not in my original list: i simply forgot to add it in lol.
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sheiberlee was asking about the UTM SPACE programme. Any news of the status of its accreditation?

The list of accredited schools is from LAM, not PAM.
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i'm paid by the hour u know, time is precious


Just curious...what is the rate like? wink.gif tongue.gif

It seems SPM leavers are inclined to go for foundation and diploma route rather the tradional pre-U/STPM route. Easier route you reckon?

I'd think STPM is more intellectually challenging, having been time-tested for decades.

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QUOTE(fiddle @ Apr 1 2011, 07:29 PM)
hi there.
what are the differences between architecture and quantity surveying?
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Architecture - QSing

creative - non-creative
designer - accountant
drawings - figures
design & construction - costs & payments
lead role - secondary role
lead consultant - sub-consultant
artistic,intuitive - methodical, routine
greater involvement - lesser involvement
heavy responsibility/liability - lesser responsibility/liability
highly paid - no-as-highly paid (i.e. as a business)
one of the oldest professions - relatively new profession

Is the question for your own knowledge or for an assignment? wink.gif

Incidentally, do you know....
The word 'architect' is derived from the Greek word 'arkhitekton', arki - chief teckton - builder

Building projects, especially smaller ones, can be done without a Q.S.

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QUOTE(fiddle @ Apr 1 2011, 11:53 PM)
just my own knowledge. i'm interested in doing quantity surveying.
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Wrong thread then. wink.gif
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post Apr 10 2011, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 10 2011, 03:04 PM)

ii. STPM is still the best bet. UTM for example will be prioritizing STPM leavers over matrics (regardless what the ministry says) bcoz we have solid evidence that matrics students lack maturity and motivation needed to excel in architecture.

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Selection based on merit is a universal principle and should be the way. It is the way to achieving excellence. But you and I know that the practice in Bolehland is otherwise. It's laudable if that is the approach taken by the UTM.

The reason why matrics came into being - it's meant to be an easier route for a privileged group to gain entry into the IPTA's. If not, why have a separate examination based on an easier 1-year course compared to more difficult 2-yr course (STPM)?

I can't imagine it would happen though -STPM leavers getting priority over matrics. This would invariably change the racial composition of the students, which would be against the gomen policy. Don't think KPTM would not allow this!
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QUOTE(rayno @ Apr 18 2011, 04:58 PM)
halo there, may i knw wat is the different between bachelor of science in architecture ( Honours ) and bachelor of art in architecture (Honours)?
and Honours means?
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From which university?
There is no difference. Some also call it B. Building Sc. or B Env. Sc. Some are equvalent to Part I, others are not accredited.

It is B. Arch (or, in some unis, they call it M. Arch now) that matters. You cannot be an architect with a BA or BSc, it's just an intermediate degree halfway through the B.Arch. course, which you can't do much with (half-baked architect if you like).
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QUOTE(rayno @ Apr 19 2011, 01:27 AM)
wat about taylor/UCSI uni? i mean if i finish the degree course in tat uni, can i bcum an architect in malaysia? wat about if i register for PART II exam individually after finish tat degree course? n wat procedure should i need to do?
Your question is answered if you read page 1 of this thread - route to becoming an architect.

It seems there are a lot of students who enrol in the IPTS's without knowing what they are getting into, which is really surprising. For all the money the parents spend on their education, the students are not aware of their future.
The truth is that you are still a long way from becoming an architect after completing the B.Sc in Architecture in the IPTS like Taylor's or UCSI. The IPTS would not highlight this to you for obvious reasons.

My advice is that going through the IPTS is not the recommended route.

I know a parent whose son finished his diploma at Taylors. He went on to continue his studies in the UK. He got his B.Sc after studying there for 2 years and he told his parent that he had finished his degree in Architecture and he would be doing his post-graduate degree( Masters) for another 2 years. The fact is that, the 'M. Arch' that he will be getting is not even equivalent to LAM Part II since it is not accredited and he would need to take the LAM exams again upon returning to Malaysia in 2 years' time.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 19 2011, 11:48 AM)
4500 candidates, 150 interviewed, and only 30 offered. Just imagine how many we had to disappoint. Just imagine how far the top 30 had to go in order to get in. And just imagine how well have you done in order to be selected. Just imagine…
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Yeah, the chance of getting a place in UTM is like striking a lottery. tongue.gif wink.gif
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There is corruption both in public and private sectors. It depends on you, how steadfast you hold on to your principles. Of course, there are more opportunites in the public sector especially when you are part of an approving authority.

There are not many job openings in the public sectior these days. The sizeable jobs are farmed out to the private sectors. Architects in the public sector, where JKR is the biggest employer, end up doing management and administrative work. JKR, being an engineer dominated department, have their engineers to administer their projects, which further restricts the scope of work of the architects. Salaries in the government service is low compared to the private sector especially when you go into your own practice.

Unless one takes a scholarship and is bonded to work for the government, I see no reason/incentive for graduate architects to join the public service.

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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Apr 21 2011, 08:07 PM)
Astonished.
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Why would you consider joining the public sector? The job is more relaxed no doubt and is more secure. After all, people used to joke that JKR stood for 'jangan kerja rajin'.

Are you bumi or non-bumi?

Nowadays, there is hardly any non-bumi architects in the public sector except those bonded by scholarship.
In the 80's, there used to be a 2-year compulsory service for all architects (and civil engineers) before they could be registered but that was scrapped during the recession.

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QUOTE(SoyaBamboo @ Apr 23 2011, 12:22 PM)
Izzit possible for me to take foundation in architectural studies(IPTS) and then continue deegree in local U?
My chance for the intake would be lower compared to form 6 and matric?
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Local U as in IPTA?
No, it's not possible after foundation. Foundation is meant to prepare you for degree in that particular uni, not for others, certainly not for IPTA.
It may be possible after your diploma but it's tough, don't bank on that.


Added on April 23, 2011, 12:49 pmMost architects stay with public service not by choice but because they have a contract to fulfil.

The experience with public sector is very much limited. Of course there are the benefits associated with government service such as status, recognition, opportunities for training and further studies, etc. The more enterprising ones would take on private jobs for additional income.

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QUOTE(JayRainbow @ Apr 25 2011, 09:21 PM)
means ? >.< wear formal ? need suggestion >.< i wan do well for my interview
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What's the objective? To give your interviewer the best impression, right?
Casual wear is a no-no for interviews, whether it's for getting into a uni, getting a scholarship or getting a job.
It gives the impression that you are not giving the interviewers due respect.
You don't have to be overly formal but at least dress to look smart. It's common sense la!

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QUOTE(yongyz @ Apr 26 2011, 10:35 AM)
Hello, I come from Sabah. This Saturday (30/4) I have a USM architecture interview at kota kinabalu. But, just now I checked I have another architecture interview from UKM which is also on this Saturday (30/4). What should I do?
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Tell them about it, that the two interviews are on the same date.
Request for one of them to be changed to a different date. You have a valid reason the request.
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QUOTE(coollove @ Apr 26 2011, 01:05 AM)
Mr. Azarimy, can u recommend me some good books on working drawing and for design (besides Francis D.K Ching's)? thanks in advance ya~
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The two fields are too wide to be covered in a single book, or even in a few books.
Unlike other fields, you don't learn design so much from textbooks than by doing. It is more of an art.

For construction (working drawings), you learn the principles from books, drawing and analysing details and observation. It is both a science as well as an art. Contstruction details not only have to be functional, they also have to look orderly and aesthetic.
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QUOTE(123.abc @ Apr 26 2011, 04:57 PM)
Can someone help me on a few questions regarding LAM accreditation?

If i were to take my diploma in LUCT then continue my part 1 and part 2 degree at one of the recognized overseas institutions listed in http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditationlist.html , am I exempted from the part 1 and part 2 exam? or do i still have to take both exams even though i have fully completed the degree and masters at the instutution?

Any help is much appreiated.  smile.gif
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Unfortunately, you are required to take LAM Parts 1 & 2 as part of your degree, even though a small part, was done in an unaccredited uni ie. LUCT. The degree may be accredited by RIBA/ARAIA but not by our LAM.

This would probably set you back by another year.

Surprisingly, a lot of students taking this route are not aware of this.

Have you started the diploma in LUCT?

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QUOTE(123.abc @ Apr 26 2011, 05:48 PM)
So even though i have completed my part 2 degree fully in an accredited school i am still required to take the part 2 exam?

Yes, because your Part 1 was not done fully in an accredited uni, it sort of negates your Part 2. Sounds unfair but that's the way it is.

blink.gif Am i exempted from certain papers from the exam? what is the difference between being accredited by RIBA/overseas boards and LAM?

Registration with RIBA is required for practice in UK and some Commonwealth countries (eg HK, Sri Lanka).  Registration with LAM is required for practice in Malaysia. Your can't use RIBA to practice in Malaysia or vice versa.

Even graduates from Harward University are not exempted from LAM Parts I and II.


If i were to work overseas am i required to be registered by LAM? Or is it jus sufficient to be registered by RIBA/ overseas architect boards?

As above.


And no i haven't started the diploma in LUCT yet. I am thinking of applying for the july intake in the borneo campus as i am from East Malaysia. I wanted to apply for the utm diploma but was too late by the time i fond out about it. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 06:13 PM)
actually, u can. assuming u did both part 1 and 2 locally.

i checked this just now with one of the CAAEM accreditation committee member and he confirmed it.
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azarimy
I thought you did say that Taylor's diploma graduates who further their studies in the UK to B.Arch. also need to sit for LAM Parts 1 & 2 ?


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 26 2011, 06:47 PM)
all overseas graduates now will have to sit for the exam, regardless of accreditation.

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That's probably in the proposal stage.

The Architect's Act would need to be amended before the requirement can be enforced.

All matters to do with accreditation, examinations and registration are governed by the Architect's Act.

A similar exam has been proposed for foreign medical graduates but it is yet to be gazetted.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 27 2011, 07:27 PM)
and i stumbled upon this today while helping a friend.

http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/highlig...tecture_degree/

so limkokwing is claiming that they offer the ONLY accredited architecture degree? kalau aku saman ni, kaya aku. tehtmc, u wanna join or not? biggrin.gif
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Well, they didn't say the degree is accredited by LAM, did they? So, you can't really catch them for not being truthful.
It's MQA that their degree is accredited by, though it may not mean anything.
I am still wondering whether the B. Arch from Curtin or any other Australian uni is accredited when the lst part, the B.Applied. Sc. is not accredited. It is not a twinning program, more like a credit transfer.


Added on April 28, 2011, 10:20 am
QUOTE(SoyaBamboo @ Apr 28 2011, 01:06 AM)

The last choice for me will be form 6, but izzit worth to study for 2 years non-related to architecture?  haiz, confusingggg

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Form 5 leavers nowadays tend to be reluctant to go through Form 6/STPM but opt for diploma/foundation.
There are merits of doing Form 6/STPM. Form 6 leavers are generally more mature in their thinking.

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