Since some members wanted this thread, I'm starting it.
If it takes off, I hope a mod/admin stickies it.

hooyeah, our kedai kopi is here!

I wonder how can I use ScrotWM on Fedora. I've installed it and I can't change to ScrotWM. Any advice?

yippie ^^~ gosh O.O my emesene2 miraculously didnt crash

"Wad a <COLD> day"

anyone hv test ubuntu studio....how so far???ok??

BTW, I think this section is getting more active than usual.

Regardless of your level of expertise, Ubuntu is a good starting point. It is beginner-friendly and a bit GUI centric, but can you do programmer-level stuff on it as well (all the tools are there, just like any other distro). It's not my distro of choice, but I still recommend it to first-timers mainly due to the large amount of documentation floating online. More often than not, you'll get linked to a Ubuntu-related answer or teh Ubuntu forums even if you search a general Linux question on Google.

Go to the Ubuntu website, get the iso (10.10 for the latest stable version, or 10.04 LTS if you want a bit more stability), and then go here for tips on how to set up some stuff:
http://ubuntuguide.org/

Alternatively, you can try Mint, which is based on Ubuntu but has more stuff included out of the box (plus it looks better)
http://linuxmint.com/

After a few months, you can move on to other distros that offer a higher level of modularity (or you can stick to Ubuntu as well, it' doesn't matter)

Suse, Fedora, Mandriva all offer similar experiences to Ubuntu.

If you want to learn more about Linux in general, or just like computing on the bleeding-edge, or want something more minimalist that includes only the packages/apps you need, you can then try out distros like Debian (Testing or Unstable), Arch, Gentoo, Slackware, Source Mage, Sorcerer...etc.

Cheers

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 19 2010, 05:36 PM

Ubuntu Studio --- for Designers and Multimedia tools ?

I am using pidgin for my im, but at this era of facebook most members in my im is going offline. Facebook is a killer! haha nasib baik kat pidgin plugin utk facebook.

I use empathy but rarely used it nowadays, too much online conections.

I rarely chat @ FB XD

But im lookin foward for the new Empathy

Looks promising as it has a new GUI

This post has been edited by cocooh: Dec 19 2010, 04:36 PM

yup...wanna try..but about 1gb download...so,i batalkan je....

Yup , coz it contains alot of software related to editings and some nice nice icons n themes

Whaddaya' expect of a distro full of designers tools?

Haizzz , still waiting for that Chrome OS

Firstly, I must disclaim that I haven't use Fedora in a while, so whatever I type below will be "logical assumptions". The Fedora support forums are still your no.1 source for Fedora specific help, -Hzu-

With regards to starting ScrotWM, I assume you're using the standard Fedo Gnome edition that uses GDM to manage your sessions, right.

If so, you'll need to find where the desktop entries are stored in Fedora. It's probably in /usr/share/xsessions. Go there, and see if you have other entries in it (like gnome.desktop...etc) If yes, do you see a scrotwm.desktop entry?

If not, try creating one, and then, inside it paste this



Here, we assume that your package manager defaults to installing the ScrotWM executable to your /usr/bin folder. Check that folder first to see if there's a scrotwm file there. If not, find out where Fedora installs it to, and change to "Exec" line to point to it accordingly. Save it, then log out to GDM and see if you see a ScrotWM entry.

If it doesn't work, ask here again (or the Fedo forums alternatively)

Ugh, now I remember why I never liked GDM in the first place... so leceh

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Added on December 19, 2010, 4:51 pmWTF!! This thread moved so fast, ah?! O_O

Ubuntu Studio is basically Ubuntu + real time kernel + apps
The benefits of a realtime(RT) kernel are it's low latency, mainly for audio production apps that rely on JACK

If you don't know what JACK or LADSPA are, then there's no point in you installing Ubuntu Studio, since you can just install all the other multimedia related apps in Studio on regular Ubuntu via apt-get or Synaptic.

Truth be told, I think Ubuntu Studio doesn't even run the RT kernel anymore, due to problems with it's maintenance. RT Kernels are "sort of" losing their place with the current trend of high premption kernels like Zen or Liquorix, which is quite sad to see.

If you're really interested in studio-related, audio production distros, there are a few out there that do a better job tha Ubuntu Studio does, at the expense of user-friendliness, possibly.

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 19 2010, 04:52 PM

i was wondering, is it possible to create an individual startup processes for each xsession? like when i logged in into scrotwm i don't need to start NetworkManager/gnome-panel/conky/docky <----my normal startup apps for gnome.

LOL, speaking of Chrome, I received an e-mail from Google a few weeks ago asking if I wanted their prototype Chrome lappy for testing (CR something something) ... I clicked on the link, and then saw the "only for US" line.

I'll follow your guide but I'll have to re-login because I accidentally opened the GNOME file. xD

Me too , i was like >>>

I think Msia nt gonna get any

http://www.linux.com/news/software/applica...shine-to-chrome
http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distron...ichard-stallman
http://www.google.com.my/#sclient=psy&hl=e...0cb849c263bd31d

Currently using Chromium OS , compiled by myself == gosh heptic work

My 600th post

This post has been edited by cocooh: Dec 19 2010, 05:08 PM

does chrome OS only limited to online apps? or you can install apps like gimp from repo into your local hard drive too?

Theres a guide whr u can dual boot Chrome n Ubuntu , but as it only claims for Chrome , i dun dare to try my Chromium

Yup , online apps , but u can boot into Ubuntu for normal apps

which better:

1. linux mint...err,dunno what latest version...
2. opensuse 11.3
3. back track

i want perfect distro for open source...between interface,not too user friendly n get multimedia function...

please suggest to me....

can suggest to me also which distro other than above???

dun wan ubuntu...already boring... want try other distro..

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Added on December 19, 2010, 5:30 pm@1faris
http://www.debian.org/
http://crunchbanglinux.org/ (based on Debian Squeeze/Testing)
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1527 (Mint Debian, based on Debian Testing)
http://aptosid.com/ (based on Debian Sid/Unstable)
http://www.archlinux.org/
http://www.slackware.com/
http://www.zenwalk.org/ (based on Slackware)
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ (based on YOU)



@Acid_RuleZz
Hmm, it's possible, but I don't use GDM/KDM so this might not be 100% accurate, but should work *in theory*

I'll use GDM and ScrotWM as examples;

first, confirm that you have the scrotwm.desktop (or just Scrotwm) entry in your usr/share/xsessions. If so, open it, and save it's contents to somewhere else (in case what I tell you here doesn't work and you need to revert)

Now replace its contents with this (you'll need root permissions, obviously):


You see the "/root/scrotwm.sh" script there? .... We're going to create that file now.

Go to your /root and create a file/document called scrotwm.sh and give it permission to run as an executable (either via teh Properties tab in your file manager or chmod in terminal)

Then, inside scrotwm.sh, add your startup apps like this example:


Replace those entries with whatever you use on your setup.
Please note that nm-applet might not work (since ScrotWM doesn't have a systray for you to run applets), but you can still try it. If not, you'll have to replace that line with the actual network manager command (which I do not know since I don't use network manager). the "feh" line is for your wallpaper, which means you should have feh installed (it's in your repos).
Important: make sure you refer back to your regular Gnome sessions for all teh stuff you want started and the exact lines they need, since here I'm just assuming the commands for you... I don't use gnome). I added the setxkbmap line to default to a US keyboard and the synclient line for your touchpad tap-to-click function, remove em if you don't need.

Let me know if it works.

Your main problem will be the network manager. I'm sorry that I can't help further with that. I don't really know it's syntax, and I prefer wicd-curses myself (mainly cos wicd launches during the boot process, so I don't need to add it to any of my session startups and can control it via terminal)

Hope this helps,

Cheers.

Edit:
Oh, btw .. you can't really use gnome-panel or docky in a tiling WM ... it's pointless, and docky needs compositing to work, which most tilers don't support by default. you can pipe conky output to the ScrotWM bar, however...

I actually included the "bar_ action = conky" in the .scrotwm.conf I sent you, Acid_RuleZz , but forgot to tell you how to configure conky to appear on it. I'll show you later after you've solved your current issues.

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 19 2010, 06:01 PM

thanks. will try that when i get back home. will check on network manager too, see if it safe to uninstall it.

Linux Mint 10 is the latest offer by them, customised gnome de and based on maverick 10.10. Some reviews say that Linux Mint 10 more polished in term of everything compared to it's parent Ubuntu. Just around the corner they'll release LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) 32 and 64 after their successful 'trial' of first LMDE.

opensuse 11.3 Downloading their .iso is not a day job for 4.7gb in size, they are offering trillions of offline apps in a single DVD. To get restricted multimedia formats you have to add repos manually which can be easily obtained from their forum. Each releases would be every 9 month and the next 11.4 scheduled on March next year.

back track, good for penetration and security purpose, this distribution is a hit for decrypt the wpa/wep. Use it for educational purpose. But their forum is not for noobs asking without searching in within first, else you'll be scold. Typical, elite distro selalu itu macam.

oh,i see....ok,download now....

anyway,thx 4 ur feedback....

Download which 1 @@?

I wanna try OpenSuSe too

I'm planning to switch to Arch last month but I'm not sure how to install it in a partition instead of using the whole disk. Any ideas?

Be adventurous

The Arch Beginners Guide and ArchWiki are a good place to start.
Great resources. I don't use Arch as much as I used to (AUR is a joke, imho), but it's still a great distro for learning. Just don't think you've suddenly become a guru just because you installed Arch, cos anyone can do it by reading the guide.

Alternatively, you could try a minimal Fedora or Ubuntu install first, and then move to Arch or Debian Unstable, and finally move on to source based distros liek Gentoo or Sorcerer.... seems the more logical learning curve to me.

actually wanna try linux mint first...

but,if get wifi spot,maybe wanna download all....

Lol, I was. But I share my PC with my sister, she's gonna get mad if I wipe the whole disk. Haha.

use ext hdd....n ur prob solved....

hmm , might dl Mint too , Suse toooo big

Don't get me wrong but it looks cool. Lol.

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Added on December 19, 2010, 7:33 pmI dont have one.


This post has been edited by -Hzu-: Dec 19 2010, 07:33 PM

Don't worry, la ... Just wipe everything, and then I'll help you make a pink GTK theme to match her Hello Kitty wallpaper

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 19 2010, 07:36 PM

Ah, I forgot, just let her buy her own lappy next year, since she's going to university. And I can do whatever I want with teh PC. Oh, and sure, make a Hello Kitty GTK theme, I'll use it fo sho.

good evening, raining here in melaka.

aaahh so fast this thread, moving faster...

This post has been edited by powerwoot: Dec 19 2010, 08:55 PM

felt so sunyi ==

Then let's make it 'bising'! Hmm, let's start with games. Anyone have fun and good native Linux games? I have Nexuiz but it's too laggy(network lag), playing with bots are boring. So I'm looking like racing or sports game. SuperTux Kart, is pretty good, I'll download it later. Any suggestions?

indeed. any docky will ruin the sexiness of tiling wm and actually i already config the conky to run under bar_action.

btw i've tried your solution for the xsessions but its not working

@Acid_RuleZz
Strange. O_o
Is it not working at all (as in ScrotWM does not even start), or does it start but without the wireless? If so, does the wallpaper and keymap get loaded, at least?

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 20 2010, 12:47 AM

anyone hv tried cs source using WINE???

glad if this game can running well on linux...

not working at all. it just login into my normal desktop mode

my config

^okay, Firstly, you're sure the scrotwm.sh script is placed in /root and you gave it permissions, right?

Secondly, you're supposed to change the path in feh to your wallpaper
Example: feh --bg-scale /home/acidrulezz/pictures/supermodel.jpg

Edit: Sexy terminal, btw

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 20 2010, 01:04 AM

yeah, i placed it in /root and make it executable but how to gave it permissions?777?

sexy terminal. lol. thanks to you

^the easy way (using GUI),
In your file manager (you use Nautilus, I presume, so launch nautilus as root user), then go to your /root (click in file system, then double-click on the folder called root) and on the scrotwm.sh file, right-click it, and then go to properties, and there should be a permissions tab... in there, there should be a box saying "Allow this file to run as a program" , make you you tick it.

Note: I don;t have Nautilus. The only GUI file manager I have installed is Thunar, and what I explained above is how it looks in Thunar. Nautilus might have different labels for it, but there still should be a box you can tick somewhere in "Properties"

OR

the cli way
open a root terminal and type in;



This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 20 2010, 01:40 AM

Linux Mint.

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Added on December 20, 2010, 1:42 amNewer PC will be okay with Linux Mint 10. Older PC will have problem with screen resolution problem. I have Mint 10 install on my Pentium 4 but I cannot set the screen resolution higher than 800X640. This problem also happen on Ubuntu 10.10. At time of writing the problem still cannot be solve, no choice but to install back 10.04 on the Pentium 4

This post has been edited by qkchuah: Dec 20 2010, 01:42 AM

hi, i'm using debian squeeze(testing) for almost 2 years ,so do i need to move on another distro?
any advice?

@scorps
Aptosid, GRML, Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, Free-BSD

You don't really have to change to another distro if you don't want to.. One of my servers has run Debian Testing for years, since around the time Etch was released. If something works well enough for you, you can always stick to it. Conversely, there's no crime in trying out new things.

The choice is yours.

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 20 2010, 03:37 AM

imo no need if you are satisfied enough with it, but test out other distros would be an advantage.

hmm? Backtrack doesn't really fit into that list of distros you want to try. BT is EXTREMELY specialised. Not to say it can't do other things but ppl who use backtrack have a good idea of what they want to do.

I have the best distro for you sister.

My Eyes!! >_<

great thread .
hehe

sadly i dont have xtra PC running up at this point .
will need to source up for a simple setup .
perhaps wait for my sister to give hers this coming january T_T

Ahhh!!! MY EYES!!! IT BURNSSS!!!!!

Hell no, she doesn't like Miley. She loves anime and fantasy games. Lol.

does anyone really use this without later be blind
not to mention that girl.. who is she again? cant really remember

Miley Cyrus. Lol. Did I get her name right?

I think a new idea for creating a new thread ^^

Consider this as a kopitiam for FOSS section.

thinking of changing distro again.. got tired of ubuntu 6month release cycle
wanna install rolling release distro like linuxmint debian edition and get update everyday
or does anyone know any other rolling release distro based on debian?

need help ubuntu user here:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1684972/+0#entry38680094

please help him...i dun think my answer is relevant to help him...

You can try Arch.

oh no,guy...can help me???

i use wine 1.2,then,want to use some windows app like video converter n ps cs5...

but,cant get permission...all app i hv tried,but the result still same....

here what i get:

one thing for sure , i can mark my file as executable O.O

might be permissions , are ur account in admin?

yup...as admin..

like wat i said at pm,its 'kick' back when i tick 'execute file as program'...

thats weird O.O

try askin @ Askubuntu.com

as for myself, i'm using debian squeeze(testing) both on my notebook and PC

try do it via terminal


and if got any error, paste it here

oh,i'm give up already...

dun want to use windows app again...

anyway,thx 4 ur feedback.. .

lol give up already

Juz tested a few audio players

For me , sticking with Clementine+Banshee+Audacious xD

Audacious only uses 2%CPU and 6.5MB ram O.O

Thats wad i wanted

oh man, that are the simple 3 fingers command shown by axxer thing and you are giving up
The file need to be tick as executable, which sometime it rejected.

I am give some simple example to run that file, contoh

abc123.exe need to be run in wine, the permission need to be give to normal user and or group if you want it by:-
sudo chmod 777 abc123.exe see again if you can click the executable

wine abc123.exe or just right click the abc123.exe and open with wine.

LOL....actually not give up yet...

n this prob solved,i just reinstall back,n then can use wine again....

folks, just got my copy. Reg and get 1 for free here at http://distrowatch.tradepub.com/free/w_make07/?p=w_make07

anyone here using backtrack? i wanna ask something...

@G-17
any CLI based IM you can recommend? i can't open emesene when using scrotwm

btw, anyone using XBMC? how to make it USB Live?

This post has been edited by Acid_RuleZz: Dec 22 2010, 04:31 AM

@Acir_RuleZz
Why can't it work? O_o
Launch emesene from the terminal and see if there's any error message.

With regards to CLI IM clients, I use Mcabber for my Gtalk. I'm not too sure about MSN (I don't use anything MS), since it seems to only handle jabber protocols. CenterIM seems to work with MSN, though how much, I'm not sure. I doubt you'll be able to video conference and all that, but text chats should be fine.

You'll need to setup a config file, I think... or maybe you can configure it once you launch it. Note: the first time you run it, make sure you launch it from the Master Pane in scrotwm. That way you waon't get any dialog boxes being cut off in case you need to configure.

It's in your repos, so you don't need to compile from source. Here's the project page for you to refer to.
http://www.centerim.org/index.php/Main_Page

Off to bed. Good night.

@G-17
Because my emesene went straight to the tray when opened.
I'll try what you've suggested.

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Added on December 22, 2010, 4:51 amcenterim works like charm. thanks man

This post has been edited by Acid_RuleZz: Dec 22 2010, 04:51 AM

I still haven't figured out how to add Scrot into the sessions manager. Maybe I installed the wrong thing.

I think the quality of video in Linux is slightly poorer compare to Window. When watching movie there seem to be an horizontal line running across the screen especially in action movie. But it is fine in Window XP. I figure it could be the graphic card driver or the X server display config kind of thing. It is a minor issue but just out of curiosity why this thing happen? Anyone face this issue?

that is tearing man. refresh rate issue. what graphic card are u using?
run from terminal
check if your frame is locked around 60fps

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Added on December 22, 2010, 1:06 pmwut?
it automatically added into session manager after i installed them

This post has been edited by Acid_RuleZz: Dec 22 2010, 01:06 PM

Yeah, me too....can't wait for the new version of empathy. Hope it can support audio/vid call for ym

Like Acid has said, it's called screen tearing and you need to turn on Vertical Sync.

@Acid : I'm not sure but I install scrot from the repo and there's no entry for Scrot in GDM. I'm not even sure if I installed the right thing.

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Added on December 22, 2010, 3:39 pmAfter digging up the webs, Scrot is not even in the repo.... So I have installed the wrong thing, huh.

This post has been edited by -Hzu-: Dec 22 2010, 03:39 PM

Just so you know, Scrot and ScrotWM are completely different/unrelated packages. ScrotWM is the tiling window manager I was talking about earlier, while scrot is just a screenshot taking app. So if you installed scrot, then yes, you installed the wrong thing.

With regards to starting ScrotWM via GDM;
As far as I know Ubuntu and stock Debian Stable (Gnome) will automatically add ScrotWM to your xsessions, but I'm not sure about other distros. The instructions I previously posted (about manually creating a scrotwm.desktop in your /usr/share/xsessions) should work across most distros that have GDM installed. Not sure about Fedora (which I assume -Hzu- is using), but maybe it has something to do with the path Yum installs Scrotwm to.

Like I mentioned previously, I don't rely on GDM to manage my sessions (I'm old fashioned and prefer good ol' startx), so I'm not exactly well-informed in that department. It might be best to ask the Fedora forums.

This post has been edited by G-17: Dec 23 2010, 01:26 AM

Ive experience some problems wif Docky , when i choose a new theme , it crashes , does anyone kno why @@?

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Added on December 23, 2010, 8:11 amJuz to share something here , it seems that this lil music player really is interesting Everyone might forget bout it - Minitunes from the developer of Minitube

Its quite simple QT music player which intergrates your music collection with Last.FM to fetch info and cover art

What is the downside ? Does not support mp3TAG edits , missing equalizer and it does not create launcher

But its worth the try and it has been updated to ver 0.1.1

Screenshoot :



How to install :

Open terminal n type :




This post has been edited by cocooh: Dec 23 2010, 08:11 AM

I gave up, I wanna try xmonad yesterday and I kept getting disconnected from the FTP servers. Duh, why is it so hard? Well, I guess I'll stick with GNOME....