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post Mar 28 2011, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 11:31 AM)
Hey guys , I got offered with SGD 2.3k but with 2 years bond ... It's a shipyard company ...

Personally, I am expecting atleast 2.5k which eligible for me to apply for EP . I think this employer is not going to apply EP for me given that range of salary ?

Btw, Im fresh graduate with master but only has internship as working experience.

Do you think I am underpaid given that I have to be bonded with the company for 2 years ? ...
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Bond or contract for 2 years? Permanent staff? You can get good bonus if you work in shipyard
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post Mar 28 2011, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 11:31 AM)
Hey guys , I got offered with SGD 2.3k but with 2 years bond ... It's a shipyard company ...

Personally, I am expecting atleast 2.5k which eligible for me to apply for EP . I think this employer is not going to apply EP for me given that range of salary ?

Btw, Im fresh graduate with master but only has internship as working experience.

Do you think I am underpaid given that I have to be bonded with the company for 2 years ? ...
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Most companies related to the marine line pay their staff below market rate wages as evident by you having masters but only getting less then what the median salary is to be expected from a degree hold, much less a masters.

Since its a shipyard company or a company whose business is within the marine field but most of your work is done within a shipyard. Could it be either keppel shipyard, drydocks world shipyard, sembawang shipyard or SMOE, PSA, jurong shipyard, ST Marine or PPL shipyard. Take your pick.

If your a subi and do contracts under shipyards, you have to put up with the shipyard engineers ego's, some who rival or surpass LKY.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Mar 28 2011, 01:29 PM
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post Mar 28 2011, 01:25 PM

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Got masters should at least aim 3k pay for start ba...Anyway I wouldn't take any bond unless very good pay
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post Mar 28 2011, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(tailtwist @ Mar 28 2011, 11:43 AM)
ya...probably wont be getting EP......for a masters...2.3k i would say its low.....even for  fresh grad degree in spore also around there liao....SGD2.5k....btw...better be quick.....cause in a few months time....the levy will go up and EP range salary will be up as well...i think 2.7-2.8k

Also need to check if they recognize your qualification

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...stitutions.aspx
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Thanks ! ill check.


QUOTE(seantang @ Mar 28 2011, 12:34 PM)
What are your other options available to you? If you have better options, then you are underpaid and should choose the better option. If your other options are worse or you have no other options - then there's no question about being underpaid.
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I dont have other option. I only went to this interview for singapore .. apparently they are the only company who replied among applications i have sent out T.T ...

QUOTE(r1v3r @ Mar 28 2011, 12:36 PM)
What is your capability?

Good to take the 2 years bond @ 2.3k for wiping table only, all those food court cleaner get less than that.

If you can do real engineering works then you should do some analytical thinking here.
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Not much analytical thing to do here. It's either take up the challenge and work for 2 years there or wait for other option.


QUOTE(Nokia convert @ Mar 28 2011, 12:49 PM)
Sounds like this company is trying to squeeze you dry. I'm sure there are other better options around...keep looking!

FYI, I started at 2.5k fresh grad and was increased to 2.75k after confirmation. I only have a bachelor eng degree.

Don't take my after confirmation salary as an absolute figure. My boss was happy with my performance so he gave me a 10% increment. Yours may vary.
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May I know what engineering are you ? Civil ?

QUOTE(giorgene @ Mar 28 2011, 01:14 PM)
Bond or contract for 2 years? Permanent staff? You can get good bonus if you work in shipyard
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It's bonded for 2 years. It's considered as permanent staff.

QUOTE(crapp0 @ Mar 28 2011, 01:15 PM)
Most companies related to the marine line pay their staff below market rate wages as evident by you having masters but only getting less then what the median salary is to be expected from a degree hold, much less a masters.

Since its a shipyard company or a company whose business is within the marine field but most of your work is done within a shipyard. Could it be either keppel shipyard, drydocks world shipyard, sembawang shipyard or SMOE, PSA, jurong shipyard, ST Marine or PPL shipyard. Take your pick.
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Mine is subsidiary of keppel group. It is said that i dont get some benefits as keppel's employees do =( (most probably the lucrative yearly bonus).


Added on March 28, 2011, 1:30 pm
QUOTE(wlcling @ Mar 28 2011, 01:25 PM)
Got masters should at least aim 3k pay for start ba...Anyway I wouldn't take any bond unless very good pay
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I agree with you ..... I dont expect 3k given that i have no experience . But 2.3k is too low to me .

This post has been edited by jasperng: Mar 28 2011, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 01:28 PM)
Thanks ! ill check.
I dont have other option. I only went to this interview for singapore .. apparently they are the only company who replied among applications i have sent out T.T ...
Not much analytical thing to do here. It's either take up the challenge and work for 2 years there or wait for other option.
May I know what engineering are you ? Civil ?
It's bonded for 2 years. It's considered as permanent staff.
Mine is subsidiary of keppel group. It is said that i dont get some benefits as keppel's employees do =( (most probably the lucrative yearly bonus).
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Are you in keppel gul, keppel fels, keppel benoi or keppel singmarine?

Im now in keppel fels, attached to transoceans key gibraltar jackup rig. Recently went down to keppel benoi, was surprised that the ship frontier phoenix was there for either some repairs or minor refit since i did some work onboard that ship last year and it wasnt long ago that the ship went to keppel tuas to fix a damaged azimuth thruster.

It aint cheap to drydock in any of keppels shipyards.

If any of you wondered the difference living in other countries compared to your own, you can try to site to see a comparison between to countries.
http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/

This post has been edited by crapp0: Mar 28 2011, 01:44 PM
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post Mar 28 2011, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 01:28 PM)
May I know what engineering are you ? Civil ?
Working in the oil and gas process industry (and a bit of marine) based in Tuas. FYI, my job came without a bond.

I seriously suggest you look for other jobs or try to nego a bit higher. 2.3k is way too low even for marine industry standards.
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post Mar 28 2011, 08:23 PM

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2.5k should be norm if you work as fresh grad engineer with degree at shipyard. master probably will need you extra 100-200sgd.
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post Mar 28 2011, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(washabushi @ Mar 28 2011, 10:55 AM)
Well...I come here alone...no relative around...I spend most of my time running here...if saw fellow runners just make fren with them lo...if lucky then might bump into a pretty lady:p
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i have registered myself for the Passion Run a month ago. smile.gif anyone here is interested? washabushi, im sure u will run faster if u c me biggrin.gif

http://www.singaporepassionrun.com/

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post Mar 28 2011, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 11:31 AM)
Hey guys , I got offered with SGD 2.3k but with 2 years bond ... It's a shipyard company ...

Personally, I am expecting atleast 2.5k which eligible for me to apply for EP . I think this employer is not going to apply EP for me given that range of salary ?

Btw, Im fresh graduate with master but only has internship as working experience.

Do you think I am underpaid given that I have to be bonded with the company for 2 years ? ...
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QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 01:28 PM)
Thanks ! ill check.
I dont have other option. I only went to this interview for singapore .. apparently they are the only company who replied among applications i have sent out T.T ...
Not much analytical thing to do here. It's either take up the challenge and work for 2 years there or wait for other option.
May I know what engineering are you ? Civil ?
It's bonded for 2 years. It's considered as permanent staff.
Mine is subsidiary of keppel group. It is said that i dont get some benefits as keppel's employees do =( (most probably the lucrative yearly bonus).


Added on March 28, 2011, 1:30 pm

I agree with you ..... I dont expect 3k given that i have no experience . But 2.3k is too low to me .
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Which subsidiary is that? Seems rather low considering 2.5K is the norm for fresh grad with degree. Better check with them if you get the yearly bonus otherwise you will be losing out a lot. Anyway the bonus amount varies between business units. Also seems funny that you are a permanent staff but are not entitled to full benefits.

QUOTE(crapp0 @ Mar 28 2011, 01:34 PM)
Are you in keppel gul, keppel fels, keppel benoi or keppel singmarine?

Im now in keppel fels, attached to transoceans key gibraltar jackup rig. Recently went down to keppel benoi, was surprised that the ship frontier phoenix was there for either some repairs or minor refit since i did some work onboard that ship last year and it wasnt long ago that the ship went to keppel tuas to fix a damaged azimuth thruster.

It aint cheap to drydock in any of keppels shipyards.

If any of you wondered the difference living in other countries compared to your own, you can try to site to see a comparison between to countries.
http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/
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GSF Key...is it true that one of the staff there likes to take evening jogs around the helideck without PPE? My rig is just opposite yours, in light blue skirt =).

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folks, let's lend a hand to this poor baby smile.gif

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QUOTE(fbjkl @ Mar 28 2011, 08:47 PM)
i have registered myself for the Passion Run a month ago.  smile.gif anyone here is interested? washabushi, im sure u will run faster if u c me  biggrin.gif

http://www.singaporepassionrun.com/
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Lol what did you do to him
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post Mar 28 2011, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Mar 28 2011, 01:34 PM)
Are you in keppel gul, keppel fels, keppel benoi or keppel singmarine?

Im now in keppel fels, attached to transoceans key gibraltar jackup rig. Recently went down to keppel benoi, was surprised that the ship frontier phoenix was there for either some repairs or minor refit since i did some work onboard that ship last year and it wasnt long ago that the ship went to keppel tuas to fix a damaged azimuth thruster.

It aint cheap to drydock in any of keppels shipyards.

If any of you wondered the difference living in other countries compared to your own, you can try to site to see a comparison between to countries.
http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/
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QUOTE(reign226 @ Mar 28 2011, 08:49 PM)
Which subsidiary is that? Seems rather low considering 2.5K is the norm for fresh grad with degree. Better check with them if you get the yearly bonus otherwise you will be losing out a lot. Anyway the bonus amount varies between business units. Also seems funny that you are a permanent staff but are not entitled to full benefits.
GSF Key...is it true that one of the staff there likes to take evening jogs around the helideck without PPE? My rig is just opposite yours, in light blue skirt =).
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It's alpine engineering services =X ... hmphz ... i guess i will look for other companies =( ... what other O&G/marine companies in sg =/..
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post Mar 28 2011, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Nokia convert @ Mar 28 2011, 12:49 PM)
Sounds like this company is trying to squeeze you dry. I'm sure there are other better options around...keep looking!

FYI, I started at 2.5k fresh grad and was increased to 2.75k after confirmation. I only have a bachelor eng degree.

Don't take my after confirmation salary as an absolute figure. My boss was happy with my performance so he gave me a 10% increment. Yours may vary.
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agree. quite standard rclxms.gif

just that chinaman company bosses nowadays r trying to squeeze my juniors dry by giving them S$2.2K / S$2.3K as a starting pay... mad.gif they just took up the jobs anyway. it's much better than in msian market. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(fbjkl @ Mar 28 2011, 08:58 PM)
agree. quite standard  rclxms.gif

just that chinaman company bosses nowadays r trying to squeeze my juniors dry by giving them S$2.2K / S$2.3K as a starting pay... mad.gif they just took up the jobs anyway. it's much better than in msian market.  sweat.gif
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mm i dont consider 2.3k is much better than msian market >.< considering how expensive the rent in sg ...
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QUOTE(lordie @ Mar 28 2011, 12:50 PM)
u can drink tap water in sg, its potable.
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can drink....np...certain % of the water comes from ourself brows.gif PUB keeps on promoting NEWater few years ago. try to get 1 in water hub. i like the cute bottles. i have tried, no taste, no smell smile.gif u can observe from many purple water pipes at sites nowadays.
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QUOTE(fbjkl @ Mar 28 2011, 09:03 PM)
can drink....np...certain % of the water comes from ourself  brows.gif  PUB keeps on promoting NEWater few years ago. try to get 1 in water hub. i like the cute bottles. i have tried, no taste, no smell  smile.gif u can observe from many purple water pipes at sites nowadays.
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lol "certain % the water comes from ourselves" ... nice one bro ...
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QUOTE(reign226 @ Mar 28 2011, 08:53 PM)
Lol what did you do to him
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im not a pretty lady, ofcoz he will run for his life tongue.gif


Added on March 28, 2011, 9:11 pm
QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 09:00 PM)
mm i dont consider 2.3k is much better than msian market >.< considering how expensive the rent in sg ...
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just the rental itself is expensive. if we were to compare dollar to ringgit, the rest is cheap. can save more money than peers in msia. i believe that if one is prudent in his/her spending style, his/her net income (after deducting all expenses) > his/her friends gross salary in msia smile.gif

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post Mar 28 2011, 09:13 PM

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I dont think rental in SG is very high compared to KL.

Previously i rented a room in Sunway for RM475, internet included. Now rented a room in Jurong SGD480 but with aircon and internet included. Some area SGD500-600. But dollar per dollar, still ok.
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QUOTE(lordie @ Mar 28 2011, 12:50 PM)
u can drink tap water in sg, its potable.


Added on March 28, 2011, 12:53 pm

do up yer mthly expenses. in a xls and exponate and see hows yer surplus or u in defecit and cut when appropriate.
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I am not interested to find out that answer, jasperng is the one.

Why should I focus on that question? I WILL find ways to live with what ever I have.

I rather focus on "how to progress?" given any starting point.


Added on March 28, 2011, 9:55 pm
QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Mar 28 2011, 09:21 AM)
You missed 1 thing...water
Just get a bottle or 2 and refill from office.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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can you make your own drinks in pantry?


Added on March 28, 2011, 10:07 pm
QUOTE(jasperng @ Mar 28 2011, 01:28 PM)
Not much analytical thing to do here. It's either take up the challenge and work for 2 years there or wait for other option.
You can always find a better place that pay well for your skill. What is there to complain if a PhD want to wipe table for $1500. It is not either take up for 2 years or keep waiting, you have to know your own value.

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Mar 27 2011, 11:37 PM)
oh ya, when u wanna recontract phone line or subscribe to anything, they will ask for ur passport also. EP alone is not good enough. like if u go RWS or MBS, even with the EP u can enter casino, but if u wanna apply for their member card, you still need to show the your passport.
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Thanks Lester. Seems like aside from applying or register for something, I hope EP is sufficient... don't like to bring too many things out with me to reduce chance of losing it...

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