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post Sep 26 2010, 12:42 AM, updated 16y ago

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Liverpool Football Club



Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
Martin Broughton

Manager :
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Roy Hodgson

Assistant Manager:
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Sammy Lee

Captain:
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Steven Gerrard

Vice Captain:
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Jamie Carragher

League Champions -----> 18
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1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
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Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
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Football Association Challenge Cup Winners -----> 7
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League Cup Winners -----> 7
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Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
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Super Cup Winners -----> 1
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Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
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Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
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Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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post Sep 26 2010, 12:45 AM

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Liverpool Squad 2010/2011


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Top Scorers For

BPL:
Steven Gerrard 2
David N'Gog 1
Fernando Torres 1

Europa League:

David N'Gog 5
Joe Cole 1
Lucas Leiva 1
Steven Gerrard 1
Ryan Babel 1
Dirk Kuyt 1

Carling Cup :

David N'Gog 1
Milan Jovanovic 1
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Liverpool FC 2010/2011 Fixtures


July 2010

17 Jul 2010 Friendly Al-Hilal A 18:00 [canceled due to flooded pitch]
21 Jul 2010 Friendly G'hopper A 18:30 [0-0]
24 Jul 2010 Friendly K'slautern A 15:15 [0-2]


August 2010
1 Aug 2010 Friendly Borussia M A 13:30 [1-0]
15 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League Arsenal H [1-1] -David N'Gog
23 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League Man City A 20:00 [3-0]
28 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League WBA H 15:00 [1-0] -Fernando Torres


September 2010
12 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Birmingham A 16:00 [0-0]
19 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Man United A 13:30 [3-2] -Steven Gerrard x2
25 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Sunderland H 15:00

October 2010
2 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackpool H 15:00
17 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Everton A 13:30
23 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackburn H 15:00
31 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Bolton A 13:30

November 2010
7 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Chelsea H 16:00
10 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Wigan A 19:45
13 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Stoke City A 17:30
20 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League West Ham H 17:30
28 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Tottenham A 16:00

December 2010
4 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Villa H 15:00
11 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League N'castle A 15:00
18 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Fulham H 15:00
26 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackpool A 15:00
28 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Wolves H 15:00

January 2011
1 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Bolton H 15:00
5 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Blackburn A 20:00
15 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Everton H 15:00
22 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Wolves A 15:00

February 2011
2 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Stoke City H 20:00
5 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Chelsea A 15:00
12 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Wigan H 15:00
26 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League West Ham A 15:00

March 2011
5 Mar 2011 Barclays Premier League Man United H 15:00
19 Mar 2011 Barclays Premier League Sunderland A 15:00

April 2011
2 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League WBA A 15:00
10 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Man City H 15:00
16 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Arsenal A 15:00
23 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Birmingham H 15:00
30 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League N'castle H 15:00

May 2011
7 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Fulham A 15:00
15 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Tottenham H 15:00
22 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Villa A 16:00
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The Quotes


Roy Hodgson



Journalists suggested to Hodgson that he had arrived at the club ahead of a pivotal season. Again the tactician was philosophical.

"Every day I drive into the training ground I see the year 1892," he said. "In two years' time the club will be 120 years old. I won't get involved in discussions about pivotal seasons. I realise you people have got to do that because every day's pivotal in your promotion of the news.

"If you don't mind, I'll take the 120-year view. There'll be plenty more games to be played and titles to be won."


Reporters quizzed Hodgson on whether he was envious of the financial clout available to City boss Mancini.

But the boss replied: "I'm never jealous. I am in a position I want to be in.

"I am working for a club I have always wanted to work for, and I think it is for other people to be jealous of me - not for me to be jealous of other people.

"It would be very, very sad if someone as fortunate as I have been in my career starts getting jealous of other people."

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Xabi Alonso

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Reina


from Martin O'Neill after 0-1 defeat against Reds

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"Their keeper made a great save in each half, particularly the one from Stewart Downing - it was a great, great save. And then there was the one from Gabby later on. We had two go inches past the post too.


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REDS AROUND THE WORLD: MALAYSIA
Jonno Lim, Malaysia 13 January 2009

Meet 32-year-old events manager Jonno Lim, who helps run an independent supporters’ club and gets up at the crack of dawn to catch the Reds in action with hundreds of other fans in a crowded Malaysian bar.
Like most things, my association with the Malaysian independent supporters' club started with a few beers. After meeting on the fans' forum Red and White Kop (RAWK), we decided that as there were a fair number of us Reds in the same corner of the world, the least we could do was watch a game together in a bar.

Liverpool ran home 3-0 winners over Everton at Goodison Park that day in August 2003, with Michael Owen scoring a brace and Harry Kewell getting the third goal just before the final whistle.

Having supported the club from afar for so long, it felt very special to be enjoying a Liverpool victory with a few like-minded people. I had watched the Reds with friends before, but nothing like this. Even the owner of the Boardwalk on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur was a Reds fanatic, so it became known as the closest thing any Malaysian Red could get to the special Anfield atmosphere.

There are so many Liverpool fans in this part of the world, and they all have their own story to tell. Some adopt the Reds because of their history, others simply get drawn in by the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 or the breathtaking 'Gerrard Final' of 2006.


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The only reason I can offer for following the Reds is probably quite similar to most people's - all of my family are massive Liverpool fans. It goes way back to the seventies and beyond, so it was a no-brainer for me to be the same as them.

My earliest memory is of Michael Thomas and Ian Rush securing the FA Cup for Liverpool with great goals against Sunderland at Wembley in 1992. I can also vividly remember Neil 'Razor' Ruddock holding his head after scoring a late equaliser in the dramatic 3-3 draw with Manchester United in January 1994.

Nigel Clough scored twice that day, but the look on Ruddock's face will remain with me forever - the ball hit him on the top of his head before going in the net and he seemed in quite a lot of pain while celebrating his decisive goal at Anfield. I couldn't stop laughing.

As time went by, my Liverpool obsession grew. We experienced many joyous Saturday and Sunday nights at the Boardwalk over the years and celebrated many great Liverpool victories there. But our friend, Bala, soon told us he had to sell his bar and we were left with nowhere to watch our beloved Reds during the early hours of the morning over here in Malaysia.

And when the new owner of the Boardwalk told us they would not be opening for the 2007 Champions League final clash with AC Milan due to the fact it would be kicking off at 3.30am over here, we knew that we had to act quickly to find a new venue.

After a long and frustrating search, we finally found a small pub that would open for the match. We got in touch with our friends and fellow supporters to join us for the big game, as we knew that whenever Liverpool was involved in a big European game, it was guaranteed to be something special.


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We only really expected about 50 people to turn up at the most, but the bar ended up being crammed full with about 200 fans, all screaming at the screen, willing on the Reds. We were all disappointed that Rafa's men did not win that night in Athens, but a few of us knew right then that not only did we need a bigger venue, but also a proper fan club to bring all of these Liverpool supporters together.

We called our new supporters' club 'MyRAWK', as most of us had met through RAWK, while the ‘My’ stands for Malaysia and also gives us a sense that a certain part of LFC can belong to us individually.

Things were tough at the beginning, but settling on the M Bar as our exclusive home for watching all the games helped us a lot. The owner agreed to open up at all the unsociable hours involved in supporting a club many miles away and laid on a host of generous drinks offers.

What started as a small MyRAWK blog soon turned into a full website, and before long we had Liverpool fans joining us from all over for our match-viewing parties. From local lawyers to homesick expats, tourists to ex players (Ian Rush once even joined us - that was a very special day), the M Bar is now full of fervent fans week in, week out. I usually take up the microphone at each event and am always proud to be the official master of ceremonies.

We even have our futsal team and are also in the process of setting up a full 11-a side side. Our interim team recently won our first trophy, the Christmas Cup and one day we hope to have a proper team which takes part in the local social league.

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But due to the exchange rate and distance, not many of us have been lucky enough to get over to Anfield. I am currently saving up to make the pilgrimage one day next season with a few other fans. I'm sure that once we get up close to Liverpool's hallowed home, there will be many of us who will be close to tears, as this would be nothing short of our visiting our very own Mecca.

One of our newer members, Phil, who now lives in Liverpool, always talks about how unbelievable it is that a bunch of guys who have never seen the Reds play up close can wake up in the middle of the night to support a team who are playing nearly 7,000 miles away, only to go back to bed and rise for work less than two hours later.

But none of us at MyRAWK would have it any other way. Witnessing another Liverpool victory make all the long, sleepy days in the office after a match worth it - and believe you me, there have been a lot of those in recent years.

Jonno was speaking to Joe Curran

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Summer Transfer In and Out



IN:

- Player In - Team
- Brad Jones - Middlesbrough
- Christian Poulsen - Juventus
- Fabio Aurelio - Unattached
- Danny Wilson - Rangers
-Joe Cole - Unattached
-Jonjo Shelvey - Charlton Athletic
-Milan Jovanovic - Standard Liege

OUT:


- Player Out - Team
- Alberto Aquilani - Juventus
- Phillip Degen - VfB Stuttgart
-Alberto Riera - Olympiakos
- Yossi Benayoun - Chelsea
- Mikel San Jose - Athletic Bilbao
-Robbie Threlfall - Bradford City
-David Martin -MK Dons
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New season, bring it on !!!

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Alright, can start posting for new thread but please keep it clean and as constructive as possible.

If there are trolls, just hit the report button. Thank you. smile.gif
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YNWA !!! Tv3 showing Gol 2 again !!!
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btw, juz ignore them

lets discuss our next match

lets play more youngster like Pacheco
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at 4-4-2 and ngog coming in,

torres was more free. and we actually started playing wide.
imagine playing like that for 90 minutes, we would have trashed sunderland.
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QUOTE(nyumnyum2k @ Sep 26 2010, 12:55 AM)
YNWA !!! Tv3 showing Gol 2 again !!!
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Goal 2 reminds me of the Istanbul goal... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Sep 26 2010, 12:56 AM)
at 4-4-2 and ngog coming in,

torres was more free. and we actually started playing wide.
imagine playing like that for 90 minutes, we would have trashed sunderland.
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lets giv RH some time to mould a perfect setup


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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 26 2010, 12:58 AM)
lets giv RH some time to mould a perfect setup
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we dont have much choice, do we? we still play like shit after more than 10 games..sigh wink.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 26 2010, 12:58 AM)
lets giv RH some time to mould a perfect setup
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is that so hard to see?

i mean, truth be told, besides gerrard, Ngog has been one of the better players this season.
he makes spaces, he runs, he shoots.

torres CANNOT play by himself upfront...
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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Sep 26 2010, 12:47 AM)
Johnson and Kuyt did dribble through defenders but they always delayed their pass and made the wrong decision to keep the ball too long. Damn...I can understand Kuyt is still rusty due to his injury but Johnson doesn't seem to like short passes, he's always either dribbling or doing long balls occasionally. Sigh...


Yup tooo much dribble. They should have made early cross into the pen box

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At least Stevie G got back his scoring boots. Meireles passing wasn't so good today, hope he builds up his teamwork with his new teammates. N'gog's entrance made some difference but his understanding with Torres isn't that good...probably due to the fact they didn't play much together.
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I thought the players seem confused with the formation in the 1st half.

IMO, at the moment Ngog is much better player than (not 100% fit) Torres in holding up the ball.
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seems ngog does know how to create chances for him self out of nothing.. learn from torres i think..
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QUOTE(farisq @ Sep 26 2010, 01:04 AM)
Yup tooo much dribble. They should have made early cross into the pen box
I thought the players seem confused with the formation in the 1st half.

IMO, at the moment Ngog is much better player than (not 100% fit) Torres in holding up the ball.
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thats the thing... Torres is like Owen. he needs a holding player like Heskey.
Heskey was shit but he provided the holding partner Owen sorely needed.

now Torres SORELY needs Ngog to hold the ball up and let Gerrard and Joey come in from midfield.
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Things I noticed from the match :

1: We are more lively everytime Ngog enters the match... Manu match, today match... More of that kind of partnership , pls?

2. Too much of solo effort and one man show from Johnson who could have just pass the ball instead of dribbling and lose the possession...

3. Poulsen is again terrible and disastrous.Gave away the first goal and almost conceded a second penalty when his header caused the ball to our own goal and Reina rushed out, bump into the Sunderland striker...That's a penalty if u ask me....He clearly get the ball first...

4. Terrible officials.

5. Sammy doing the job while Hodgson sitting comfortably praying to god...Maybe we should sack Roy and let Sammy do the job?
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if RH still insists to play 4-2-3-1 formation..he shud go for lucas instead of poulsen IMO..otherwise..go for 4-4-2..ngog is improving...
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one positive outcome this season

Gerrard and Ngog perform up to standard

the rest, still in limbo doh.gif
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its time for 2 striker. Ngog and Torres.

Spare Poulsen for Liverpool reserve team. Keep Stevie and Raul as midfield maestro. Lucas? maybe good for backup or sub. Let Kuyt and Joey terrorize the flank.

Its time to play serious football. If RH said Poulsen is still new and need more time to adapt, well I guess he better let Lucas play, at least he is an experienced player playing with Stevie.

Johnson, u r not Messi. Your dribble wont always work at all time. The more u try to passed the defence, the more u slow down the creating chance tempo. You give time for rival to flooded their own box and give tiny chance to our striker to execute finishing. You are so predictable.

We play a high tempo of football tonite, but our creating chance is slow. That wont works.
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lets giv RH some time to mould a perfect setup
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we're 15th now after 6 games..

yeah give him more time. we'll be in the relegation zone quite comfortably.
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This is my 'If-I-Was-A-Manager' plan:

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Torres - To score goals. Dribbling and Shoot at goal.
Ngog - Main role to hold up the ball and invite attacking MF
Joey and Kuyt - To supply balls from the wings and at times Joey may cut in the middle and let loose a shot or two.Kuyt should come in from the side of the penalty box.
G8 - attack from the middle and not from the wings. To save me my blushes.
Meireles - Holding midfield. Help defenders. Encourage attack.
Johnson - DO NOT DRIBBLE PASS KUYT (OR AT ALL)
Carra and Skrtel - Be awesome at defending
Konchesky/Agger - Help Joey to cut in and then move in to the upper flank.
Reina - save shots?

okay, i was bored and a little emo. lol.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 26 2010, 01:15 AM)
one positive outcome this season

Gerrard and Ngog perform up to standard

the rest, still in limbo doh.gif
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But when Gerrard tried to head the ball back to Reina but with not enuff power, my heart felt like it just stopped beating... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Sep 26 2010, 01:27 AM)
Joey and Kuyt - To supply balls from the wings and at times Joey may cut in the middle and let loose a shot or two.Kuyt should come in from the side of the penalty box
Nice drawing board u hve there... biggrin.gif

The challenge is to tell Joey to stay wide most of the time....

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QUOTE(farisq @ Sep 26 2010, 01:27 AM)
But when Gerrard tried to head the ball back to Reina but with not enuff power, my heart felt like it just stopped beating...  tongue.gif


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Nice drawing board u hve there...  biggrin.gif

The challenge is to tell Joey to stay wide most of the time....
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haha.. i just think that johnson should realize he is DEFENDER not an ATTACKER. but i do appreciate when a defender goes forward, as long as he is good at defending first. Joey was in my opinion decent today.. he's really quick feet. too quick that sometimes he turns without the ball. doh.gif
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Sunderland was darn hard to play with when Arsenal met them last week (ended with 1-1). Even harder than WBA whom we lost to at home today...
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I feel pity with Liverpool,last time they were one of the best teams,in fact they could have won the EPL last time,but now suddenly they are like this..I really wonder what will happen if big-names like Gerrard,Torres etc. quit Liverpool becos they impatient with the club,and the club got no money to buy new players,then finished la,Liverpool will be just mid-table teams only sad.gif Just wondering only,no offence icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(sivapc @ Sep 26 2010, 01:25 AM)
we're 15th now after 6 games..

yeah give him more time. we'll be in the relegation zone quite comfortably.
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how many games did Arsene Wanger lost till he mould a good first 11 in first season at Arsenal?

lets be patience, we wont end the season lower than 7, mark this line


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Sunderland was darn hard to play with when Arsenal met them last week (ended with 1-1). Even harder than WBA whom we lost to at home today...
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but a wait, is a wait.

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we hav to go through this process, tell me who do you think can fill in RH's shoes if he resign suddenly?

Martin Oneil ? i would rather like to see the Yanks out of our Club than RH's resigning
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Sep 26 2010, 01:34 AM)
I feel pity with Liverpool,last time they were one of the best teams,in fact they could have won the EPL last time,but now suddenly they are like this..I really wonder what will happen if big-names like Gerrard,Torres etc. quit Liverpool becos they impatient with the club,and the club got no money to buy new players,then finished la,Liverpool will be just mid-table teams only  sad.gif Just wondering only,no offence  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Liverpool won't fade away. They're making profits, but their owners are sucking them dry. The October payment deadline means they are now presented with a chance to cut themselves loose from the vampiric duo. That means, the yanks will have to take care of their debts themselves, and Liverpool free to enjoy their own profits again. But we have seen nothing yet. There could still be some dramatic turn of events.. and here's hoping for the best for u guys.

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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Sep 26 2010, 01:34 AM)
I feel pity with Liverpool,last time they were one of the best teams,in fact they could have won the EPL last time,but now suddenly they are like this..I really wonder what will happen if big-names like Gerrard,Torres etc. quit Liverpool becos they impatient with the club,and the club got no money to buy new players,then finished la,Liverpool will be just mid-table teams only  sad.gif Just wondering only,no offence  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Personally, I won't blame Gerrard if he decides to leave. He had done enough for this club. Although, I don't think it will be the same for him to win BPL with clubs other than Liverpool.

For Torres, admire his decision to stay this season. But if things did not improve by the end of the season, I won't blame him if he considers other option. I think he is destined for greatness in football...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 26 2010, 01:09 AM)
Things I noticed from the match :

1: We are more lively everytime Ngog enters the match... Manu match, today match... More of that kind of partnership , pls?

2. Too much of solo effort and one man show from Johnson who could have just pass the ball instead of dribbling and lose the possession...

3. Poulsen is again terrible and disastrous.Gave away the first goal and almost conceded a second penalty when his header caused the ball to our own goal and Reina rushed out, bump into the Sunderland striker...That's a penalty if u ask me....He clearly get the ball first...

4. Terrible officials.

5. Sammy doing the job while Hodgson sitting comfortably praying to god...Maybe we should sack Roy and let Sammy do the job?
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conclusion is we need start play 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 with Gerrard takes the Attacking Midfield role , IMO that is combination of torres+gerrard for our second goal but I dont think this will happen since our center midfield now so poor
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 26 2010, 01:35 AM)
come-on man
how many games did Arsene Wanger lost till he mould a good first 11 in first season at Arsenal?

lets be patience, we wont end the season lower than 7, mark this line


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Hope you are right at the end of season, which I doubt so with this kind of performance.

Again I said many time, it is the performance that worry the most, not the result.
You cannot possible win many games with this kind of display.
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My dear kopites, they say Rome wasnt build in a day...

but for godsake..this is futball and we r liverpool...now can we get out there n show who s boss?? ini sunderland in anfield aso cannot control the game? i guess we just hav to be kopites n get bhind our team no matter wat.. cry.gif cry.gif

i was thinking RH should bring in kelly..move johnson up to wing..johnson is leaving the right side so freaking empty..n he barely ran..he seem to b jogging the whole game..if lu mau naik serang lu kena tulun 2 kali ganda cepat la... vmad.gif

n we had zero width... vmad.gif

okai...cukup comment about liverpool..now back to supporting liverpool blindly! go reds! cool2.gif
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QUOTE(leaF @ Sep 26 2010, 02:03 AM)
conclusion is we need start play 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 with Gerrard takes the Attacking Midfield role , IMO that is combination of torres+gerrard for our second goal but I dont think this will happen since our center midfield now so poor
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If Gerrard taking AM, then no one bossing or in charge and take control of midfield area, ended up both of them isolated at front, because there is no CM that can dictate and control the game. Ain't we just saw how the result of match performance with Poulsen+Lucas combination in the previous few matches?
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this is our main problems IMO, we have no natural width, too many times joe n kuyt or meireles comes into the middle, too crowded and narrow.. i suggest babel out wide. and what was with the formation ? i thought kuyt started out wide and suddenly it was 442 in the middle of first half with meireles on the right ? come on roy, decide which position is best to play your players ! and again we concede a goal defending crosses, looks like we are gonna see hell a lot of goals conceded from crosses. damn ! doh.gif
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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Sep 26 2010, 12:20 AM)
damn right!

poulsen.....he should play in reserve team, didnt contibute to the team. rather let lucas play instead of him.

where is Babel????

i think start from tomorrow, RH better let the player determine their own tactics and strat!! give the player their own training session.

gerrard, pls lecture to johnson....pls remind him...this is football...a teamwork game is needed. same goes to kuyt. he got a chance to cross...but prefer to dribble.

the more the time johnson and kuyt need to set up their footwork, Sunderland player already flooded their own box and giving our player a tiny chances to execute finishing.
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I quite disagree on this. From this 6 games we can see that the players are clueless when there is no constant instructions/ reminder on the tactics from the manager. During the match the tactics will change according to the tempo or how the opponents play and we really need someone who can read the game very well like alonso, xavi, pirlo. That's why for some team like us right now, we need a person off-field that can read the game and give instructions to player and remind johnson his role/position and that person is called 'Manager'. I really not a fan of Roy that only sit at the bench without instructing, reminding, motivating the team during the match and just leave the players to do their job (maybe some will say that he let Sammy to give the instructions but for the god sake, he is the manager not Sammy). I prefer manager that involve in the game like Rafa, Mourinho or Ancelotti. What I mean involve here is not only instructing the player but also pressuring the referee and in some difficult matches the players know that the manager and staff are with them throughout the match. At least this is what I feel if I'm one of the players.

So in short what I'm trying to say is just move aside Roy!!! Let Kenny do the job and show you what is the Liverpool way.

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i solely blame idiot Roy for his tactics from day one,he really need to go,he had brought nothing positive to the club except keeping our top players in the club,now he'll drag us down further with his small club mentality,if stoke and wolves win tonite we'll be 17 on the table,go to hell roy
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Guys, any highlight from last night match? I keep searching for few... but I couldn't watch full till Gerrard's goal sad.gif
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stupid liverpool, stupid roy, stupid tactics.
Liverpool = laughing stocks.

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I'm not a big fan of Rafa but Roy makes me miss him.. a lot! Let's hope the Yanks go out sooner so Roy can move along with them...
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Sack ROY!!


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Sack ROY!!
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Midfield should be Kuyt, Meireles, Gerrard, Cole, Jova..Let Jova and Kuyt provide the width..Gerrard should play behind Cole who should play behind Torres..I believe that's Cole's best position..He seems lost when deployed on the left wing..But then again, Torres really needs a striking partner up there with him. He seems really frustrated when alone upfront..
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Sep 26 2010, 10:45 AM)
Guys, any highlight from last night match? I keep searching for few... but I couldn't watch full till Gerrard's goal sad.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 26 2010, 01:35 AM)
come-on man
how many games did Arsene Wanger lost till he mould a good first 11 in first season at Arsenal?

lets be patience, we wont end the season lower than 7, mark this line


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ok.

we see at the end of the season. even though we were awful last season, we did play some good football at Anfield last season. our performance in corresponding fixture (sunderland) last season was probably our best display whole season.

roy was supposed to bring stability to us after Rafa's departure. but it's just not happening. he keeps playing wrong people at wrong positions. wrong tactics, wrong pre/post match comments. i think he actually doesn't understand the history or the culture of the club. he should have learned this by now. this is no fulham, Roy. He has to wake up from cottage dream and realise this is LIVERPOOL. not a midtable team.

sorry my comments, but i'm disappointedla bro. i don't know when on earth nationality becomes the main priority of picking a coach. he's just here because he's english.

the more i see Roy at Anfield, the more i miss Rafa.

/over.
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I miss Houllier. haha.... but really..

Rafa was a controlling team-rotating freak,
Roy is now a mid-table minded manager,
Liverpool players are in disarray,
We need to get rid of the yanks, and fast!
Then let King Kenny come and lift us!!!

YNWA!
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Rafa certainly wasn't perfect but he was LIVERPOOL, if you get what I mean .....

I was reading the redandwhitekop forum the other nite. And read of many comments of how they (in the UK) miss Rafa as well. One guy even said
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I'm considering walking to Milan and asking/requesting/begging Rafa to come back. I'll carry him back if need be.

He's a bit tubby though, so might need some help. Who with me?


Sorry but I do get all snotty-nosed when I watch this video



Hope they are treating Rafa well at Inter. Hope to see him back one day. I am still standing by our boys, always will .....

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QUOTE(overthemoon @ Sep 26 2010, 01:56 PM)
Rafa certainly wasn't perfect but he was LIVERPOOL, if you get what I mean .....

I was reading the redandwhitekop forum the other nite. And read of many comments of how they (in the UK) miss Rafa as well. One guy even said
Sorry but I do get all snotty-nosed when I watch this video



Hope they are treating Rafa well at Inter. Hope to see him back one day. I am still standing by our boys, always will .....
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Im done with giving post match comments. ugh. same shit different week.
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we kinda sucked last night...

well, i think its normal these days we fight for mid table position

who wants 2 bet torres leaves next season..
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He might leave this winter is the situation doesn't improve...
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no matter what happens, my allegiance is with the Club first, then Manager.
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Thanks, mikesashimi, for editing the above for me smile.gif Cheers.
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wow, 6 games into the season and fans are calling for hodgson's head, that's a record time for any liverpool manager in history.

during the close-season when liverpool was still looking for a manager to replace RB, i have mentioned that hodgson is the least preferred choice. bring in a manager from a midtable team and we bring along a midtable mentality. still, it is not RH's fault that he has this way of thinking because if he were to still manage fulham, this is exactly the results he is expecting. you don't expect a manager with no track records to suddenly bring the team all the way up the table.

RH was brought in because he can work with tight budget and no complains, this is evident in fulham. that's what the top people in the club see in RH. but what they fail to see is that fulham has never challenged beyond the midtable positions. that's the problem with RH. he doesn't set high standards for himself and his team.

if RH is a manager with winning mentality he would've grilled the entire squad after being humiliated by man city two games into the season. instead, he considers that a 'tough' match, which sadly is now a standard set by the manager. during RB's reign, we go into games expecting to win, and any defeat is considered a calamity, even against teams like chelsea and man utd. now, we go to birmingham, man city and RH labels these as tough games, great achievement to get away with a point against birmingham.

RH is planting a midtable mentality to the squad and left them to drown in the field. yes, the players are horrendous for their standards, but as a manager you come out and manage the team, and make them play like a team on the pitch. not just happy free and easy sessions of training ground simulations, a good laugh with the captain and make them feel like everything's rosy in the club. we are a club in turmoil, it shows in the accounts book, and now it shows on the pitch.

if the player plays like crap then you tell him he's playing like crap. demand him to improve his game or get dropped to warm the bench, not telling him that it's okay because the opposition is having a good game. stop sheltering the players and smoothing them into thinking that they are playing well and should've got better results, because this is what we really deserve at the moment. and that's because we're playing like crap. our defenders need to buck up or get a solid rollicking. johnson, carra, skrtel, agger and konchesky are all performing below par and they need to have a proper slap in the face to put them back into reality. you don't lose every header in our own box, you don't challenge for headers with your teammates, you don't lose concentration in the penalty box, and you don't allow the ball to drop and bounce over your head expecting someone else to clean your mess. if lucas is the poor man's masch, then poulsen is the poor man's lucas. i don't see how poulsen can walk into the team with the displays he showed in the past few games. he's not good enough to guard the back 4, losing possession easily in the middle and wayward passings all around. less energetic than lucas, even, and we say lucas is not good enough.

ngog is by far our only player on form, and he's doing very well everytime he gets minutes on the pitch. torres, despite the apparently lack of fitness and touch, still showcases occasional moments of brilliance. gerrard has moments where he sparks in the game. cole and meireles have got good feet and look like they can excel if we're playing fast one-touch passes. kuyt is still a little rusty and short of a yard in receiving passes, but he has brought some stability in the right side of the midfield compared to the lightweight maxi.

sort out our defence and the players in front of them can concentrate to play better up front.
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I read several forum and what I can see that people already losing faith. Where have the phrase 'Our faith is our greatest weapon'? All the home matches I watched since starting supporting this club I will hear the YNWA song will be sang by the supporters at the last minutes every matches even when we are losing or winning but yesterday I couldn't here it even after turn up the volume. I don't know whether I'm starting to have a hearing problem or what. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. It seems that the supporters already lose hope and liverpool starting to lose the 'Liverpool Way'. This is the last thing I fear happened to this club. cry.gif
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I read several forum and what I can see that people already losing faith. Where have the phrase 'Our faith is our greatest weapon'? All the home matches I watched since starting supporting this club I will hear the YNWA song will be sang by the supporters at the last minutes every matches even when we are losing or winning but yesterday I couldn't here it even after turn up the volume. I don't know whether I'm starting to have a hearing problem or what. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. It seems that the supporters already lose hope and liverpool starting to lose the 'Liverpool Way'. This is the last thing I fear happened to this club.  cry.gif
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QUOTE(overthemoon @ Sep 26 2010, 01:56 PM)
Rafa certainly wasn't perfect but he was LIVERPOOL, if you get what I mean .....

I was reading the redandwhitekop forum the other nite. And read of many comments of how they (in the UK) miss Rafa as well. One guy even said
Sorry but I do get all snotty-nosed when I watch this video



Hope they are treating Rafa well at Inter. Hope to see him back one day. I am still standing by our boys, always will .....
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This my friend is really touching.
I can see he really loved the club.
& my friend who is a Liverpool supporter always said to never let RB leave.
He's a good manager.
& Now I can see that Liverpool really needs him.
Just my 2cents. No pun intended. smile.gif

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Another load of rubbish! The Yanks got to go!!!!

If RB never leave then the Yanks would stay on longer!
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 26 2010, 04:22 PM)
Another load of rubbish! The Yanks got to go!!!!

If RB never leave then the Yanks would stay on longer!
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RH looks clueless really.
Hmm, alright then. smile.gif
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QUOTE(de_sengal @ Sep 26 2010, 02:28 PM)
I read several forum and what I can see that people already losing faith. Where have the phrase 'Our faith is our greatest weapon'? All the home matches I watched since starting supporting this club I will hear the YNWA song will be sang by the supporters at the last minutes every matches even when we are losing or winning but yesterday I couldn't here it even after turn up the volume. I don't know whether I'm starting to have a hearing problem or what. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. It seems that the supporters already lose hope and liverpool starting to lose the 'Liverpool Way'. This is the last thing I fear happened to this club.  cry.gif
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I don't see the people as losing faith in the team. I see them as growing very disillusioned with the owners and lately, with Uncle Roy. The rubbish scoreline aside, what irked the fans more was Uncle Roy's recent press statements that indicated that he is not expecting the team to win anything this season and his extremely slow reaction to good friend, Uncle RedNose, calling his star striker a blatant cheat. Fans are going WTF mad.gif . He's begining to look as if he's turning out to be a Yes-man,"whatever you say, Sir". Nonetheless, the quintessential perfect English gentleman. Mr. slow-but-steady. Rafa was an occasional maniac but he's got the fire and passion. He made us believe.

We were there in Anfield for the first match of the season against Arsenal. The spirit of sheer optimism was there. We were looking ahead to a slow but steady resurrection of Liverpool this season. The draw at the first match wasn't so painful to bear (although Pepe's OG was!). Fields of Anfield and YWNA resonanted loud and clear as in every other game. And I believe the majority of the people who were there are still very much behind the team. And they will be there home-game after home-game. Even the pensioners for whom 45 quid a smack is a lot to ask pay for. They will be there. As are those of us here in spirit .....

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QUOTE(joonwei23 @ Sep 26 2010, 04:01 PM)
This my friend is really touching.
I can see he really loved the club.
& my friend who is a Liverpool supporter always said to never let RB leave.
He's a good manager.
& Now I can see that Liverpool really needs him.
Just my 2cents. No pun intended.  smile.gif
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now ur giving RB too much credit.. we dont REALLY need him.. just someone with a better mentality than RH...

The yanks were bullying RB and RB was bullying the team.


and to those claiming fans have lost faith? im sorry but you;re wrong. Liverpool supporters (the best one in the world) never lose faith in the team, hear you me.

YNWA!!!
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I would consider last night match fair... For this season, with all the headlines and personnel changes, I guess it is ok.

...Suckieland was playing quite well with them closing down Liverpool whenever one get the ball.

SG was not even in the game until he scored the goal... But I think Joe Cole was injured at the end of the game, he didn't run when StvG starts running...

As usual, the Portuguese player is full of energy and get the things run from midfield.

Top 4 is still what I hope for... but top 6 would be fair, unless the player starts picking themselves up and start playing like a team.

...did you guys notice how many missed passes last nite?
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...did you guys notice how many missed passes last nite?
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now ur giving RB too much credit.. we dont REALLY need him.. just someone with a better mentality than RH...

The yanks were bullying RB and RB was bullying the team.
and to those claiming fans have lost faith? im sorry but you;re wrong. Liverpool supporters (the best one in the world) never lose faith in the team, hear you me.

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i think we should stand with the team and the club no matter up and down. why we so call the greatest fan on earth even we don have the faith to stick with the team and club when they are losing one match? this is called YNWA or Kopite spirit?

Psshh...
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i think roy is feeling the pressure alot. first he had to convince top players to stay, esp torres. n that was never a good start. then mascherano went on a strike to leave. expected though as he had drafted poulsen in as a like to like replacement. then we got meireles, one thing puzzles me is that roy admitted to not knowing where best to utilise meireles, so why buy him ? to life the supporters spirit ? ? i know meireles has a decent enough record in porto and portugal n he was courted by both manu n chelsea, but i felt its both ROY's fault, the dark situation with the owners and transfer budget, and just BAD timing that did more harm than good in the transfer market for us.. why get a player when u dont know whats the best formation to fit all the players u have ? i think roy doesnt rate lucas n babel at all. pity as i blv we shud give babel a chance to provide width. we all know kuyt and joe will never do many crosses and cutbacks. n he was so keen on a striker that not many were available out there..

but then players have to shoulder the blame too, i just dont understand how we can be so poor defending, because as i said, its pretty much the same players at the back that played for rafa n roy..

i blv lucas should be given a chance instead of poulsen. so probably lucas and gerrard in the middle with meireles in front. or possibly cole. i am a little disappointed with cole, as for now, benny still looks a much better player than him. so much for the hype of joe saving us. please prove me wrong joe.
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i think joe is doing his best. and i like him.
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i think we should stand with the team and the club no matter up and down. why we so call the greatest fan on earth even we don have the faith to stick with the team and club when they are losing one match? this is called YNWA or Kopite spirit?

Psshh...
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calling for RH's head (or any manager) is wrong after a few games (i myself detest that) but as you can see from fans face expressions on last night game says it all. they're heartbroken with the way the team played and performed. it's they're right to feel that way. let's be realistic here, it's not wrong for fans to rant because come next week they still be in front of the tele supporting the team. anyway, should real fans just shut up and roll with it?

6 games on and there's no clear sign that the team coming together. i hope RH has a decent run in FA Cup..
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we will come together after a few more games

RH is Good, better than Rafa

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PGMO just confirmed that Kuyt's goal is not controversial. Bet it must be goal of the season tongue.gif
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steve bruce on dirk kuyt's goal:-

"Maybe in the past a Liverpool team would have come back and said it was unfair and unsportsmanlike - I doubt it though."


funny. i didn't hear him coming out saying stuff about sportsmanship during darren bent's goal via a beach ball last season. foreign object deflecting the ball into the net, anyone with a brain will know that the goal was not valid, except for the ref, bruce and sunderland.

wonderful example of hypocrisy, saint bruce.
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some people talk thru their ass , lol

beach ball was even more pathetic than this 1 , lol

this was ORIGINAL and well done.. blame ur defender for passing back so weak
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wait.. y was kuyt's goal even in doubt?

Miller did a weak weak weak back pass... nothing wrong with that.

well...im not surprise at bruce... he played 300 games with the wrong team.. so he also cannot take not winning.. lulz.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Sep 26 2010, 05:12 PM)
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and to those claiming fans have lost faith? im sorry but you;re wrong. Liverpool supporters (the best one in the world) never lose faith in the team, hear you me.

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Finally, here's where those figures of £420m to £600m come from for the price tag if you want to buy Liverpool before the fire sale:
• £600m is what the two US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett would like for the bank debt and their equity. It would value their equity at more than £300m, providing them with a handsome profit.
• £420m would recoup for Hicks and Gillett the £140m odd they've put into Liverpool's holding company, Kop Holdings, via their Cayman Islands vehicle. It would, in essence, give them their money back without a profit.

There may be some Liverpool supporters who feel it is worth paying Messrs Hicks and Gillett somewhere between £140m and £320m to spare Liverpool FC the humiliation of falling into the clutches of its banks - although the evidence of the fans' blogs and websites appears to be that most supporters would in fact rather stick pins in their eyes before handing a profit to the US duo.

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Man u drew with Bolton. i guess the trolls got what they deserved.
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Man u drew with Bolton. i guess the trolls got what they deserved.
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btw , back to Liverpool , I think we should start playing 4-4-2 put in fire Ngog with Torres ..it looks like every defenders know our weakness and torres +gerrard combo only works on counter attack
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gerrard + torres combo is hard coz 3 players will be marking torres.. thats why we need ngog.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Sep 26 2010, 09:08 PM)
gerrard + torres combo is hard coz 3 players will be marking torres.. thats why we need ngog.
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Can we use all 3 wif gerrard coming fr the depth of midfield to spear head the attack ?

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finally people calling for 4-4-2,i had never liked lone striker since my gooner days,with Ngog on good form this season we should change,WE NEED TO,if not it'll be same story every week,a sad one sad.gif
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we will come together after a few more games

RH is Good, better than Rafa


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QUOTE(sivapc @ Sep 26 2010, 10:11 PM)
cannot agree with this.
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all i can say is both of them have strength and weakness.. not greater than the other i can say.
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Heskey score under GH...
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Torres was good during first few seasons until when the defenders know his movement. I think it's time for RH to change their up front fire power or else Torres gonna be a lone ranger getting marked by 2-3 players. Sharing my comment only. Same case before Anelka moved to Chelsea. Drogba was a lone ranger for too long that defenders already knew his movement. With Anelka, Drogba is even better. Last season is already a good example. Ngog must do partnership with Torres to get the best out of him.

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last match...the 1st 15 minute we play very fluid footbal..very excited at 1st....but after conceding all gone wrong...
btw...from the lineup, our squad look much positive...btw..i rather have lucas instead of poulsen..let gerrad n lucas at CM...
we can play 4-4-2 but we don't hv natural winger...better buy ashley young now before any other top team get him....
btw...two striker is much better...drop poulsen n play mereiles n gerrard at the middle


Added on September 26, 2010, 10:59 pmone more thing...serve u right damm last nite troller tongue.gif

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I wish I wont be seeing Poulsen playing for the next match...I hope for a change in the next match against Blackpool.


Reina

Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger


Kuyt Meireles Lucas Cole


Gerrard


N'Gog Torres


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You've got 12players there Solstice :\
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IMHO, carragher is abit aging and too slow... i would like to see skrtal partner agger as CB...
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Was away at a camp and just managed to catch the goal highlights. Once again we're punished by poor defending. Our aerial defense has went from bad to worst this season.

Kuyt's goal is just pure lol, would have been a great karma for that beach ball goal last season, only if we had won the match.

Oh... it's good to see Torres and Gerrard combined for the second goal, just like good times eh? How did Torres play anyway? Any progress?

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 26 2010, 11:06 PM)
I wish I wont be seeing Poulsen playing for the next match...I hope for a change in the next match against Blackpool.


Reina

Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger
Kuyt Meireles Lucas Cole
Gerrard
N'Gog Torres


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12 players wei............


i prefer this

Reina

Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger

Gerrard Meireles

Kuyt Cole

N'Gog Torres

Gerrard should be able to read the game better this way and he too can do his miracle run deep to pass some pin-point passes to either Ngog or Torres as our opponent's defence will hav to deal wif TWO fast strikers


remember the best form of defence is Attack


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QUOTE(swks26 @ Sep 26 2010, 11:09 PM)
You've got 12players there Solstice :\
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12 players wei............
i prefer this

            Reina

Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger

    Gerrard Meireles

Kuyt                      Cole

        N'Gog Torres

Gerrard should be able to read the game better this way and he too can do his miracle run deep to pass some pin-point passes to either Ngog or Torres as our opponent's defence will hav to deal wif TWO fast strikers


remember the best form of defence is Attack
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QUOTE(sokaik80 @ Sep 26 2010, 11:13 PM)
IMHO, carragher is abit aging and too slow... i would like to see skrtal partner agger  as CB...
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i would like to see Agger rotate with Skrtel as Carra's partner...
it seems like skrtel has always been RH favourites.
Maybe RH should do something to fix our defensive system,
we concede a lot lately, can say mostly every matches we conceded... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(azrulkamal240 @ Sep 27 2010, 01:04 AM)
i would like to see Agger rotate with Skrtel as Carra's partner...
it seems like skrtel has always been RH favourites.
Maybe RH should do something to fix our defensive system,
we concede a lot lately, can say mostly every matches we conceded...  sweat.gif
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The problem arise when our LB/RB goes up n no 1 covers them.. Supposedly it should b the DM or LM/RM 's job but they juz doesn't seem to be there n defend well enough till the LB/RB is back...
You can really c them out of position n in a mess once they return to position.. If u guyz realize we conceded quite a number of goals through crosses n set pieces, so i think we should bring the greek man as his height wil b helpful.. We should start to have a solid back 4 rather then 2 of them movin up n down...

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Sep 26 2010, 03:14 PM)
true die hard fan wont give up just after 6 games. thats cheap.
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Sep 26 2010, 05:44 PM)
i think we should stand with the team and the club no matter up and down. why we so call the greatest fan on earth even we don have the faith to stick with the team and club when they are losing one match? this is called YNWA or Kopite spirit?

Psshh...
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amazing to see only 2 fans saying this...
amazing to see all liverpool fans asking for their manager's head..after only 6 games
u guys a simply amazing.. shakehead.gif
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im behind the team the manager the players..through good and bad times..
keeping the faith..still believing..still hoping..
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QUOTE(all blacks @ Sep 27 2010, 03:50 AM)
The problem arise when our LB/RB goes up n no 1 covers them.. Supposedly it should b the DM or LM/RM 's job but they juz doesn't seem to be there n defend well enough till the LB/RB is back...
You can really c them out of position n in a mess once they return to position..  If u guyz realize we conceded quite a number of goals through crosses n set pieces, so i think we should bring the greek man as his height wil b helpful.. We should start to have a solid back 4 rather then 2 of them movin up n down...
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one of the reason tat our backs are tat back is because the back 4 wanted to put their name into the score sheet and left the defence wif gaping hole during counter attack by the opponent doh.gif

they are slow and inaccurate when coming back for defensive work, they made Reina look BAD


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2 overate attaking LB
1 aging CB
1 so-so CB

no wonder concede 2 goal at home
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QUOTE(x13u5t3r @ Sep 27 2010, 05:59 AM)
amazing to see only 2 fans saying this...
amazing to see all liverpool fans asking for their manager's head..after only 6 games
u guys a simply amazing..  shakehead.gif
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im behind the team the manager the players..through good and bad times..
keeping the faith..still believing..still hoping..
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personally i dont like the way RH is handling our current dip in form.
he doesnt seem to suit liverpool. it doesnt mean he's bad. it just means he isnt good enough.
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QUOTE(x13u5t3r @ Sep 27 2010, 05:59 AM)
amazing to see only 2 fans saying this...
amazing to see all liverpool fans asking for their manager's head..after only 6 games
u guys a simply amazing..  shakehead.gif
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im behind the team the manager the players..through good and bad times..
keeping the faith..still believing..still hoping..
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sorry mate, gotta disagree with you, respectfully...

i think those fans (myself included) are not seeing any positive football after 6 games..be it against United, small clubs or midtable clubs, the tactics are just appalling, the passing .... disgusting, the movements, slow and lumbering...

almost everyone welcomed Roy when he stepped in....(despite their doubts over his track record...)..but after a series of inept displays, its not surprising to see people calling for his head...

standing behind the club is quite different from standing behind a manager of a series of clueless displays...

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I think Joe Cole does better when he plays in the middle behind Torres. Maybe he and Kuyt can switch places around during the match, to confuse opponents? tongue.gif
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joe cole + stevie behind torres is the best, just like what bayern did, robben and ribery behind their main striker
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one of the reason tat our backs are tat back is because the back 4 wanted to put their name into the score sheet and left the defence wif gaping hole during counter attack by the opponent doh.gif

they are slow and inaccurate when coming back for defensive work, they made Reina look BAD
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It is the tactic and formation play issue.
I believe this is instruction given. Just my guess.

When you play Poulsen+Lucas, aka 2 known for defensive duty and Kyut/Cole on the RM/LM, obviously there is no winger system play, so it rely on fullback to provide the width through fullback overlapping and Poulsen or Lucas as cover for them. It is more a like a 4-2-3-1 system, or a make shift of 4-5-1, with more central playing system only, which lack of width through midfield.
It is good in theory, but practically until now, leave lot of space of opponent to attack through the width area. It is always difficult for defenders, if opponent keep on attack through the flank that with pace.
The best defend is bombard opponent goal and control the match and match tempo through your midfield. If keep on let oppponent bombard your goal, no matter what top class defender you have, it is matter of time of conceding only.
Since the season start, apart of every match's of 15-20 min period, the rest of time, Liv just let opponent to attack without taking control of the situation.
That's why I said it had been an awful/fearful experience for supporters to watch every live game telecast. As you know there is always high chance conceded a goal or 2.

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It is the tactic and formation play issue.
I believe this is instruction given. Just my guess.

When you play Poulsen+Lucas, aka 2 known for defensive duty and Kyut/Cole on the RM/LM, obviously there is no winger system play, so it rely on fullback to provide the width through fullback overlapping and Poulsen or Lucas as cover for them.
It is good in theory, but practically until now, leave lot of space of opponent to attack through the width area. It is always difficult for defenders, if opponent keep on attack through the flank that with pace.
The best defend is bombard opponent goal and control the match and match tempo through your midfield. If keep on let oppponent bombard your goal, no matter what top class defender you have, it is matter of time of conceding only.
Since the season start, apart of every match's of 15-20 min period, the rest of time, Liv just let opponent to attack without taking control of the situation.
That's why I said it had been an awful/fearful experience for supporters to watch every live game telecast. As you know there is always high chance conceded a goal or 2.
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Exactly. We have similar problem also at Arsenal, where our fullbacks are exposed all the time, as evident by our loss to WBA last weekend.

I'm not sure about the stats in the Liverpool game, but Arsenal had almost 65% possession and still lost. This means, that its not about how Arsenal got bombarded, but rather how Arsenal got sucker punched on the counter attack.

Your part about bombard opponent goal and control the match is easier said than done though. I would think it would be better for teams playing this formation to defend from the front and break up play in midfield when possession is lost.

The DMs play a vital role in this, as you pointed out rightfully. There needs to be proper discipline in tracking back by the wingers as well.
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After 6 matches played, the top 4 position is taking shape, while Liv is on relegation fight in 16th. sweat.gif


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Exactly. We have similar problem also at Arsenal, where our fullbacks are exposed all the time, as evident by our loss to WBA last weekend.

I'm not sure about the stats in the Liverpool game, but Arsenal had almost 65% possession and still lost. This means, that its not about how Arsenal got bombarded, but rather how Arsenal got sucker punched on the counter attack.

Your part about bombard opponent goal and control the match is easier said than done though. I would think it would be better for teams playing this formation to defend from the front and break up play in midfield when possession is lost.

The DMs play a vital role in this, as you pointed out rightfully. There needs to be proper discipline in tracking back by the wingers as well.
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Your Arsenal situation is not that worry. Sucker punch does happen occassionally, sometime due to luck factor as well.
But as long as you are controlling the match, and always probing opponent goal, and have idea how to open up opponent defence, then still ok.

But currently once Liv has possession, they have no idea on the ball in general, except a few players like Gerrard and Torres only. They only passed around defender and midfield, which give a lot of time to opponent defender to prepare themselves and reposition back. Then it becomes very difficult for you to penetrate opponent once they get ready, while on your side, there is little off the ball running that create space for themselves and midfield to pass the ball.

Goal created, a lot of time due to off the ball running by players which open up opponent defence.

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Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's going to be a turbulant could of seasons at least until the ownership issue is sorted and even then, the team will take time to rebuild itself again. Hodgson did do a good job with Fulham no doubt. He made them tough to beat especially at home. The problem is they went out not to lose games rather than to win them. I just think it's a little confusing sometimes. If we are going to play 2 up front, it should indicate that we want to go for the win, but then you instruct both Poulsen and Lucas to stay behind the half way line, leaving the forward players with very little support. The only option is to boot the ball up to them which is exactly what pissed Agger off, leading to his criticism of our tactics.
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After 6 matches played, the top 4 position is taking shape, while Liv is on relegation fight in 16th.    sweat.gif


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Your Arsenal situation is not that worry. Sucker punch does happen occassionally, sometime due to luck factor as well.
But as long as you are controlling the match, and always probing opponent goal, and have idea how to open up opponent defence, then still ok.

But currently once Liv has possession, they have no idea on the ball in general, except a few players like Gerrard and Torres only. They only passed around defender and midfield, which give a lot of time to opponent defender to prepare themselves and reposition back. Then it becomes very difficult for you to penetrate opponent once they get ready, while on your side, there is little off the ball running that create space for themselves and midfield to pass the ball.

Goal created, a lot of time due to off the ball running by players which open up opponent defence.
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yes. Arsenal situation is way better than ours. the WBA defeat was freakish, although i do think you need a better keeper. But it doesnt take much for the team and Nasri to create 2 quick goals.

Liverpool is really finding it difficult to pull together 3-4 passes. the final penetrating pass releasing an attacker to try and score is evidently missing.

That is why i find it tough to accept call to give Roy more time. If there's no one available that we can afford at moment, i can understand. But if we can afford someone out there who has history of more positive football, i would like the board to make a change.

Our football is very very difficult to bear at moment.

Something is wrong when you are not sure if a team with Gerrard, Cole or Torres can win or even score when you're playing Sunderland or Blackpool...



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should try and play 4-4-2, when they put on ngog we played much much better and controlled the game...

somehow torres seems lazy and lack the desire to play
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well, this have been a problem since forever.. the team need a natural width player on either side. kuyt and cole always cut inside and it became very apparent in Sunderland game where most attacks came from the middle and very easy to read and to break down.

konchesky did defense and overlap with cole nicely before he's injured. while johnson did ok on the attacking but purely shite on the defensive role for many games now.

and gerrard sitting deep is not ok.. the team need his burst running and quick thinking to link up with the striker. i think meireles/lucas should be CM instead.
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should try and play 4-4-2, when they put on ngog we played much much better and controlled the game...

somehow torres seems lazy and lack the desire to play
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From the performance, and player form, Ngog deserve to start.

It is always bad man-management if somene performs very well, yet cannot get a start. If a player performs well, yet keep on being denied a starting place, it will only affect the player's confidence, future and development to be a much better player.

Sometimes, Torres looks too frustate which affecting his performance as well. A cool mind is needed to perform at the top level.

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CHARLES SALE: Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton could land £500k bonus if he helps sell club

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lets get a grip on the reality here

this is just no good. a team with such big names as us shouldnt be grasping for air like we did 6 games into the season

if a manager cant get results with gerrard, torres, and some other considerable names, then the manager is no good, period.

to me by october when we sort out our ownership problems, we should be thinking about the next manager

sadly mourinho is not available. some of you guys are gonna shoot me, its pointless talk, but its exactly the kind of manager we need in our situation now

bring back King Kenny, the realistic, and logical choice. RH just dont cut it, sorry

is hiddink available?

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lets get a grip on the reality here

this is just no good. a team with such big names as us shouldnt be grasping for air like we did 6 games into the season

if a manager cant get results with gerrard, torres, and some other considerable names, then the manager is no good, period.

to me by october when we sort out our ownership problems, we should be thinking about the next manager

sadly mourinho is not available. some of you guys are gonna shoot me, its pointless talk, but its exactly the kind of manager we need in our situation now

bring back King Kenny, the realistic, and logical choice. RH just dont cut it, sorry

is hiddink available?
Manuel Pellegrini?

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To some of you, you may be happy of the results of the Mancs yesterday, but I'm finding it hard to concentrate on the results of theirs. To me, it doesn't matter if the Mancs win this season anymore, it's about us fighting our position back, which is one of the most respectable teams in Europe. Rafa made us one of the most fearful teams in Europe, I don't understand how one season can make some fans change their mind, this is a guy who has brought us the Champions League with the likes of Smicer, Biscan, etc. Where are these players playing now?

I lost my confidence towards RB as well, but definitely not entirely and definitely no respects gone. I would have given him another season. GH brought us ups and downs, but was given 1 more season after 1 terrible season. He brought us the UEFA Cup, the FA Cup, 2 Worthington Cups, Super Cup, a couple of Charity Shields but how is 1 Champions League trophy and 1 FA Cup incomparable to those GH had won? Plus we were consistently scary when playing against the Mancs, Rent Bhoys as well as the Gooners.

I'm afraid those days are gone, until we find our place back. We are lost, perhaps in mid table. To the Mancs, I hate to say this, but I think, number 19 is closer to you than us now.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 27 2010, 06:14 PM)
To some of you, you may be happy of the results of the Mancs yesterday, but I'm finding it hard to concentrate on the results of theirs. To me, it doesn't matter if the Mancs win this season anymore, it's about us fighting our position back, which is one of the most respectable teams in Europe. Rafa made us one of the most fearful teams in Europe, I don't understand how one season can make some fans change their mind, this is a guy who has brought us the Champions League with the likes of Smicer, Biscan, etc. Where are these players playing now?

I lost my confidence towards RB as well, but definitely not entirely and definitely no respects gone. I would have given him another season. GH brought us ups and downs, but was given 1 more season after 1 terrible season. He brought us the UEFA Cup, the FA Cup, 2 Worthington Cups, Super Cup, a couple of Charity Shields but how is 1 Champions League trophy and 1 FA Cup incomparable to those GH had won? Plus we were consistently scary when playing against the Mancs, Rent Bhoys as well as the Gooners.

I'm afraid those days are gone, until we find our place back. We are lost, perhaps in mid table. To the Mancs, I hate to say this, but I think, number 19 is closer to you than us now.
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The season just begin... for me Liverpool should try to get as many points as you can even one draw point...if by january there is no hope for top four then RH should start to sell unwanted players...and promote youngsters..buy saveral promising young players...from the fund raise from the selling of the unwanted players...fight for mid table at the same time rebuild new Lvpool...

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Roy Hodgson is considering fielding senior stars such as Fernando Torres against Utrecht on Thursday night.

The manager is delighted with how his Spanish striker has progressed over recent games - and believes El Nino is forming a potent understanding with Raul Meireles and Dirk Kuyt.

Now he is pondering playing the trio in our second Europa League encounter later this week.

"It's on my mind to play Torres, Raul Meireles and Dirk Kuyt on Thursday," he said. "I think they're knitting together well.

"I thought Torres was much, much different (against Sunderland) to the one in the first couple of games.

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The season just begin... for me Liverpool should try to get as many points as you can even one draw point...if by january there is no hope for top four then RH should start to sell unwanted players...and promote youngsters..buy saveral promising young players...from the fund raise from the selling of the unwanted players...fight for mid table at the same time rebuild new Lvpool...

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No money, no talk.
Modern days football, no money, no good new players coming, no new stadium to generate more revenue.

You can raise as many as superstar or good young players, but if the club is not financial strong, it becomes a breed club to born the superstar or good players for other bigger club only, as your 'pond' is too small for a big fish, aka you cannot hold on your bright youngster that are courting by others big club.

Forever stuck at middle class.

So strong in term of financial is very crucial for the club to success.
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Roy Hodgson is considering fielding senior stars such as Fernando Torres against Utrecht on Thursday night.

The manager is delighted with how his Spanish striker has progressed over recent games - and believes El Nino is forming a potent understanding with Raul Meireles and Dirk Kuyt.

Now he is pondering playing the trio in our second Europa League encounter later this week.

"It's on my mind to play Torres, Raul Meireles and Dirk Kuyt on Thursday," he said. "I think they're knitting together well.

"I thought Torres was much, much different (against Sunderland) to the one in the first couple of games.

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Good news to say the least rclxms.gif

Though the results aren't that good for the past week, I'm sure glad that RH prefers to stick to the more offensive formation this time...and please bring back the Europa League cup back to Anfield! biggrin.gif

And RH did also say "It was only Meireles' second start and there was another start for Joe Cole. There are moments giving me satisfaction but I know it's a big job and I can't just wave a magic wand and Liverpool will suddenly dominate English football again. But there were a lot of pleasing factors."

He obviously needs more time. His new players, Meireles and Cole just had their 2nd match last saturday and they haven't really "clicked" their passes with their new teammates yet. As a matter of fact, even Mourinho isn't having the best of times in Madrid as he did brought in a few new players as well.

We need to judge RH at the end of the season, not now. We're not Madrid who sacks their managers every one (sometimes half) season or so.

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No money, no talk.
Modern days football, no money, no good new players coming, no new stadium to generate more revenue.

You can raise as many as superstar or good young players, but if the club is not financial strong, it becomes a breed club to born the superstar or good players for other bigger club only, as your 'pond' is too small for a big fish, aka you cannot hold on your bright youngster that are courting by others big club.

Forever stuck at middle class.

So strong in term of financial is very crucial for the club to success.
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Good points..okey acceptable..but still players need to respect the contract and play all out..the ownership is too far out of reach to talk about..
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Good news to say the least  rclxms.gif

Though the results aren't that good for the past week, I'm sure glad that RH prefers to stick to the more offensive formation this time...and please bring back the Europa League cup back to Anfield! biggrin.gif

And RH did also say "It was only Meireles' second start and there was another start for Joe Cole. There are moments giving me satisfaction but I know it's a big job and I can't just wave a magic wand and Liverpool will suddenly dominate English football again. But there were a lot of pleasing factors."

He obviously needs more time. His new players, Meireles and Cole just had their 2nd match last saturday and they haven't really "clicked" their passes with their new teammates yet. As a matter of fact, even Mourinho isn't having the best of times in Madrid as he did brought in a few new players as well.

We need to judge RH at the end of the season, not now. We're not Madrid who sacks their managers every one (sometimes half) season or so.
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Roy has nothing positive to say...

Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson believes his players are struggling to come to terms with the "enormous expectation" of the club's supporters.

http://teamtalk.com/news/2483/6403544/Roy-...at-expectations
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QUOTE(epolmuse @ Sep 27 2010, 12:52 PM)
should try and play 4-4-2, when they put on ngog we played much much better and controlled the game...

somehow torres seems lazy and lack the desire to play
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From the performance, and player form, Ngog deserve to start.

It is always bad man-management if somene performs very well, yet cannot get a start. If a player performs well, yet keep on being denied a starting place, it will only affect the player's confidence, future and development to be a much better player.

Sometimes, Torres looks too frustate which affecting his performance as well. A cool mind is needed to perform at the top level.
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ok..although not score torres did OK for the assist...i think its too early to call for RH head...just give him at least 10 match for EPL...
btw....i also agrre NGog should or must be in 11 eleven for his form....play 442 although we don't have a natral winger coz Ngog is good becoz he can hold/shield the ball untill support came...
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I thought some of u guys criticised Ngog like hell last time on his poor holding ball??? brows.gif


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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Sep 27 2010, 05:57 PM)
Good points..okey acceptable..but still players need to respect the contract and play all out..the ownership is too far out of reach to talk about..
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contracts are overrated these days. anyone can use these papers like toilet rolls, just ask masch. clubs are now renewing contracts that are still running for 2-3 years because they want to sugarcoat the players to stay by offering better money, gone are the days where contracts are binding honour between the player and club.

QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 27 2010, 06:03 PM)
++, well said, take this for those tat dun hav faith in RH.....
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i honestly want to do that, but isn't clear from day one that RH was hired as a muppet for the circus show in the top management of the club?

i don't want to sound redundant, but RH has never achieved anything in his managerial career. i too hoped that he may turn the club's fortune around. however, i find him to be quite demotivating when players speaks up about achieving something this season, he'll come out and knock down their confidence. it's bad enough that we're performing poorly, and then you come and say as though it's okay to have low expectations.
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I wonder when Liverpool will start playing like a team and pass well and gain form, especially Torres, who has a bad form as of now...
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enormous exepectations?

a win against freakin sunderland at anfield... asking too much roy?
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Sep 27 2010, 08:22 PM)
i don't want to sound redundant, but RH has never achieved anything in his managerial career. i too hoped that he may turn the club's fortune around. however, i find him to be quite demotivating when players speaks up about achieving something this season, he'll come out and knock down their confidence. it's bad enough that we're performing poorly, and then you come and say as though it's okay to have low expectations.
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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Sep 27 2010, 05:50 PM)

We need to judge RH at the end of the season, not now. We're not Madrid who sacks their managers every one (sometimes half) season or so.

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seriously... i dun think the bench is strong enough to handle so many games... however i dun hope they been thrashed out from europa league so quickly... confusing~~~
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Roy has nothing positive to say...

Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson believes his players are struggling to come to terms with the "enormous expectation" of the club's supporters.

http://teamtalk.com/news/2483/6403544/Roy-...at-expectations
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Enormous expectation??

Did supporters expect Liv to win PL - No
Did supporter expect Liv to win Europa league - No
Did supporter expect Liv to win every match - No
Did supporter expect Liv to win against MU - No, a lot of people will satisfy with a draw as well.

Even now, some supporters already drop down expectation to finish 6/7th place in PL instead 4th, which is also an enormous expectation? sweat.gif

What shoud supporter expect then?
16th place?

Supporters just expect Liv can play some football that better than currently what had been display by 6 previous matches.


Added on September 28, 2010, 11:09 amPlayers and managers are getting ten of thousand GBP per week, which is funded by loyal supporters that fork out their hard earned money to buy tickets, merchandise, subscribe costly pay TV to support their team, and in turn, tell supporters don't expect too much from the players and managers?

I don't know what to say.

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Enormous expectation??

Did supporters expect Liv to win PL - No
Did supporter expect Liv to win Europa league - No
Did supporter expect Liv to win every match - No
Did supporter expect Liv to win against MU - No, a lot of people will satisfy with a draw as well.

Even now, some supporters already drop down expectation to finish 6/7th place in PL instead 4th, which is also an enormous expectation?  sweat.gif

What shoud supporter expect then?
16th place? 

Supporters just expect Liv can play some football that better than currently what had been display by 6 previous matches.


Added on September 28, 2010, 11:09 amPlayers and managers are getting ten of thousand GBP per week, which is funded by loyal supporters that fork out their hard earned money to buy tickets, merchandise, subscribe costly pay TV to support their team, and in turn, tell supporters don't expect too much from the players and managers?

I don't know what to say.
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alot of our poor performances are actually from our long ball tactics i would say

we clear clear clear and cant offer width in the sides or passing near the midfield

hence we lose the ball quickly and never get supply to strikers

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corner , free kick, penalty , opponent's free kick, opponent's mistake (steua), etc

we actually lacking some form of team like the others
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Something to cheer u guys up laugh.gif

Look what i found at LFC Official forums flex.gif


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Something to cheer u guys up  laugh.gif

Look what i found at LFC Official forums  flex.gif
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RH expect Liverpool fan satisfy with Fulham result  rclxub.gif
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last weekends game observation (it appears there are 3 views to LFc's current predicament)

for the loyalist of current crop management personel
"great results, we proved that we can come back despite being pinned down. if we continue to display this encouragement we are on the road back!!"

for the naysayers & expect LFc to resist lower expctations of themselves
"oh my gosh, bad, bad display again. even against lowly oppositions we are know being pinned & are quite rudderless. Who is orchestrating LFc? why even lower division teams seem to click faster?"

for the neutrals
"there you go again, liverpool. showing that they can seem to do without the duo, LFc relies on both torres & gerrard. torres for being instingtive (led to first goal) & gerrard for saving liverpool again, (& again). I just cant comprehend how Lfc fans can critic gerrard for being a shadow of himself/not interested (playing for LFC)!"

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Poulsen is a better player than Lucas but he's not Masch's standard. Since he is 4 or 5 years older than Masch, he is unlikely to attain that standard. Moreover, Poulsen has to adapt to the PL. His mistakes let LFC down against Sunderland but I think he will improve.

I'm more concerned with Johnson's defensive inabilities, Skrtle's inconsistencies and Carra's declining strength/speed/agility.

RH still has a rather crowded midfield. Although that enables him to juggle tactics according to opponents, I think he will have to make some hard decisions come January.

Humanly speaking, he will retain Cole, Mereiles and Poulsen because they are his recruits. Since Gerrard is untouchable, that leaves :

Kuyt, Jovanovich, Maxi, Babel and Lucas. My bet is that Lucas, Babel and Maxi will be offloaded in January. There will still be two 'surpluses' if RH employs a 4-4-2 with Ngog partnering Torres up front.

We are not short of good players but RH must learn how best to use them very quickly.
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sigh.

our caretaker manager (surely that is all he is) seems only interested in lowering expectations and making the players feel bad about themselves eh?

and i said Rafa's man management was bad doh.gif
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Guys, what do u think to put Johnson on the wing?

Vote here.

Maybe we can use Poulsen/Lucas/Martin Kelly to replace the RB post.

Its about time to detect the best post for each player.

Never try, never know.
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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Sep 28 2010, 08:45 PM)
Guys, what do u think to put Johnson on the wing?

Vote here.

Maybe we can use Poulsen/Lucas/Martin Kelly to replace the RB post.

Its about time to detect the best post for each player.

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Sep 28 2010, 08:45 PM)
Guys, what do u think to put Johnson on the wing?

Vote here.

Maybe we can use Poulsen/Lucas/Martin Kelly to replace the RB post.

Its about time to detect the best post for each player.

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I would say YES.
We have nothing to lose anyway. It cant be worse than the way we are playing now. I will be excited too to see Kuyt playing alongside Torres for a change.

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I would say YES.
We have nothing to lose anyway. It cant be worse than the way we are playing now. I will be excited too to see Kuyt playing alongside Torres for a change.
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Score!! RH, pls bring Johnson to the right wing!

Got nothing to lose IF we r losing, at least we try. Well, we already saw Johnson potential dribbling and overlapping.

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the Europa win on Fri morning will bring us back on track, pls play a strong team for the Euro encounter and maintain the winning streak of Europe wins for this new manager, you are creating some sort of History now thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 07:34 AM)
the Europa win on Fri morning will bring us back on track, pls play a strong team for the Euro encounter and maintain the winning streak of Europe wins for this new manager, you are creating some sort of History now thumbup.gif
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Any win will give our team confidence but not "bring us back on track" as you apprehended.
But confidence is not the only factor, we need CONSISTENCY too.
We need many WINs & consistency to get back on track. Not just a WIN.
So, as usual, don't over-hype it.
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lets take it step by step

without Confidence you wont hav Consistent, agree?

we nid Confidence and wif this , we can go for Consistency

i ady mentioned abt our super low morale when Cisse broke his leg and there is no capable striker to take his place........which we eventually managed to climb back after our Confidence grew as we won some matches later on

so lets stay positive and Hope for the Best and Prepare for the worst


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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 09:44 AM)
lets take it step by step

without Confidence you wont hav Consistent, agree?

we nid Confidence and wif this , we can go for Consistency

i ady mentioned abt our super low morale when Cisse broke his leg and there is no capable striker to take his place........which we eventually managed to climb back after our Confidence grew as we won some matches later on

so lets stay positive and Hope for the Best and Prepare for the worst
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I know stick and stones will not stop you from hyping.

My advice to you is don't over-hype it.
Our team does not need hyping. What they need is stay focus and deliver the results.
It seems you never stop shooting your own feet (when you hype). And it makes you look like suffering from personality disorder.
Besides, you indirectly make our team, Liverpool, look like a laughing stock (whenever we couldn't deliver results after your big hype).

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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 09:44 AM)
without Confidence you wont hav Consistent, agree?

we nid Confidence and wif this , we can go for Consistency

i ady mentioned abt our super low morale when Cisse broke his leg and there is no capable striker to take his place........which we eventually managed to climb back after our Confidence grew as we won some matches later on

so lets stay positive and Hope for the Best and Prepare for the worst
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How can players feel confidence, when manager said expectation is too enormous to win matches. sweat.gif

Every match, when you play (even you know you will be outclassed by a stronger team), as manager, you always said, try you best to match with them or nick a win out of it.

Even League 2 team also can win against PL team.
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I don't remember morale being super low after Cisse broke his leg. Let's be honest, he wasn't a fulcrum like Torres or Gerrard is. He was certainly a character with his outlandish hair cuts, outrageous suits and flamboyant persona but his influence on the pitch was minimal. Carragher breaking his leg, now that was certainly a morale breaker. In any case, our problems lie far deeper. It has to do with the ownership of the club which affects many facets of club football. How would you feel if you worked for a company which could go broke at any time? Employees would be speculating and without job security, morale will definitely be affected. The future of the club is at stake here, let's not sugar coat it or bury it under false optimism.

I'm not surprised that Hodgson is being criticised. Some posters had already noted that he has his limitations, having never achieved anything major in his career thus far. He isn't the most charasmatic of managers either, preferring to come across as amicable and non-confrontational. You could see it coming really, especially when I saw posts building him up as our saviour' just because Fulham reached the final of a competition we got eliminated from. Optimism is good, but you cannot be blind to realism. I fear that by 'building' a team, he is actually creating more work for the next manager in line for the host seat. By bringing in distinctively average players late in their prime, we can no longer hope to wheel and deal as their values will plumet as each season goes by. There will be a great deal of pressure on the academy to churn out bright talent, and also on new owners (if we ever have any) to fork out a sizeable transfer kitty.

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mark all my words and shoot me back if we dun sit 7th place and above icon_idea.gif

you guys are really having low morale, i dun blame you guys as we are entitle to our VISION

let see then

as my sig goes, you guys can condemn me as much as you like, no prob wif me dude icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 11:11 AM)
mark all my words and shoot me back if we dun sit 7th place and above icon_idea.gif

you guys are really having low morale, i dun blame you guys as we are entitle to our VISION

let see then

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No one is shooting you down. I think we all agree that a shot of optimism is good.

The problem I have with your statements, it they lack facts backing them up and without facts or at least some form of justification, it looks like nothing more than wishful thinking.
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do you believe Miracles do happen?

remember the night in Istambul?

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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 11:19 AM)
do you believe Miracles do happen?

remember the night in Istambul?

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I think you've got to stop bringing up the past and Istanbul. Time were different then compared to the predicament that we find ourselves in.

I'm not gonna stop you from over hyping and being positive since that is your choice, but seriously if you wanna put points , statements and facts across please relate them with a sense of realism. Whatever you mentioned here just comes across to me as just being hollow.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 11:19 AM)
do you believe Miracles do happen?

remember the night in Istambul?

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i believe miracles happens, BUT not all the time....base on our current form, we will never see the old Liverpool again...

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if we are Fulham, then yes...but we are Liverpool (Mercedes, BMW, Buggati), what you expect from Mercedes SLR?? equal to PROTON?

haiii....nak marah kang, kawan.....

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actually according to my old history teacher, "There are no more miracles as Moses used them all!"


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QUOTE(normeck @ Sep 29 2010, 11:29 AM)
i believe miracles happens, BUT not all the time....base on our current form, we will never see the old Liverpool again...
if we are Fulham, then yes...but we are Liverpool (Mercedes, BMW, Buggati), what you expect from Mercedes SLR?? equal to PROTON?

haiii....nak marah kang, kawan.....
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no fren, i wont simply marah as u are entitle to say your Mind

btw, i guess the only way to prove my words is TIME

no matter how you guys Sulk or Sorrow, it wont help,

lets look positive and we will see the Light

btw, i supported LiverpoolFC since my teens and its more than 30years now

maybe the years tat i supported Liv surpassed some of your age here tongue.gif

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do you believe Miracles do happen?

remember the night in Istambul?

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I do remember that night in Istanbul, very vividly but how many times in our illustrious history have we come back in similar fashion keeping in mind that we've been around since 1892? Miracles can happen in the context of one game but the issues we face need problem solutions, not prayer. I get frustrated whenever I see Hodgson sitting on the bench, rubbing his chin instead of discussing tactics with Sammy Lee because it leaves me wondering if he has solutions. More often than not, real problems require real solutions.

I do believe in miracles but I do not believe in blind optimism.

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again u are entitle to your mindset icon_rolleyes.gif

lets not argue on our vision ( or wat ever we called it )

lets discuss our next match

i believe we gonna WIN again

any takers?

(btw, mark this posting again huh brows.gif )
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 11:43 AM)
no fren, i wont simply marah as u are entitle to say your Mind

btw, i guess the only way to prove my words is TIME

no matter how you guys Sulk or Sorrow, it wont help,

lets look positive and we will see the Light

btw, i supported LiverpoolFC since my teens and its more than 30years now

maybe the years tat i supported Liv surpassed some of your age here tongue.gif

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Ironic. You were never a Rafa Benitez fan, despite of the fact you are an optimist, now you are supporting Roy Hodgson no matter what.

That's real strange.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 11:49 AM)
again u are entitle to your mindset icon_rolleyes.gif

lets not argue on our vision ( or wat ever we called it )

lets discuss our next match

i believe we gonna WIN again

any takers?

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I will note this posting just as I noted the one you posted when we played the mancs and you predicted a win, again. What makes you think we will win this time round, other than extreme doses of positivity?
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 29 2010, 11:29 AM)
actually according to my old history teacher, "There are no more miracles as Moses used them all!"
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I'll never lost my faith in the team, we do still have a good squad.. at least to achieve something. but with current owners and manager it's hard to stay positive.
But I believe it's just for temporary, we'll be back where we belong, maybe not in this near future. As for now what we can do is to wish the best for the team and give our full support every time needed, which I believe what we all are doing rite now.
If Roy has potential to put us into a deeper position then he should just leave. No point to keep supporting a man who'll be a burden and brings nothing but failure. As someone said, "Under the watch of poor leaders and managers, staff morale declines and workers feel less committed to the organization and its mission." We deserved a better leadership.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 29 2010, 11:54 AM)
I will note this posting just as I noted the one you posted when we played the mancs and you predicted a win, again. What makes you think we will win this time round, other than extreme doses of positivity?
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simple, RH nid to sav his ass and he will field a better combo, most probably a 4 4 2 and dropping Poulsen and draft back Lucy into team.

He might also use Kuyt/Pacheco to replace Maxi on the right,

Torres might partner Ngog in attack as this pattern is favoured in most forums

giv this MR John Steed ( fr The Avengers {http://www.google.com.my/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=John+Steed&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=9L6iTLHRF4i8cMjivcoB&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDkQsAQwAw&biw=1920&bih=1017} )some time to make thing straight

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juz imagine, even if you were to be drafted into the Team as Manager , you too will be facing a VERY HOSTILE situation to make things work, Luckily he is not like Rafa( a shouter ) or Houllier (suffered a heart attack in one of our matches)


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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 12:49 PM)
again u are entitle to your mindset icon_rolleyes.gif

lets not argue on our vision ( or wat ever we called it )

lets discuss our next match

i believe we gonna WIN again

any takers?

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of course we will win again (but thats a general assumption that any team can win)

non of us wishes ill fortune of LFc but as they say In every path there is a reason,

you say you believe in miracles, on a broad scale we prefer not, (as our only hope of salvation).

as some of use noted you hate rafa's regime, but you believed in Istanbul,
every living LFc fan will remember how his halftime tactical changes that made the up for the ill first half (we lost a winger striker in early minutes, we were sucker punched 0-3 & the italian/milan team/fans sang the celebration victory at halftime)

we will always remember who control mind freak rafa was to introduce tactical changes that change the course of the game. no we didnt win all the time but we certainly never & weren't overwelmed then. that gave us an oppotunity. what fustrated US time & again (rafa's days) was the final blow to win the match, & win 3 precious points instead of draws. We certainly desreved those points, sometimes points were robbed of us because of 'favourtism' (amongst the top 4, we certainly didnt win more penalties,more fouls in-our favour).

now, it's (we are) so scared to watch liverpool play, as the team seem to be wishing/hoping to win & are not playing as a unified feared LiverpoolFc.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 12:25 PM)
simple, RH nid to sav his ass and he will field a better combo, most probably a  4  4  2 and dropping Poulsen and draft back Lucy into team.


I think it's safe to assume that all managers need to fight for their survival from day one. It is commonplace these days for managers to lose their jobs just months into their tenures. I don't think Hodgson every assumed his job was safe. I personally don't think it has as much to do with which players he fields but rather where he fields them. I honestly don't see a big gap in quality between Poulsen and Lucas and I doubt replacing one with the other will change our fortunes much. We have deployed the 4-4-2 a number of times this season but have yet to address the fact that there is often a gulf of empty space between the front two and the rest of the team. It's why I said that Hodgson should push the midfield further up the park if he does intend to go for three points especially when we are at home against teams like Sunderland.

QUOTE(digilife @ Sep 29 2010, 12:25 PM)
Torres might partner Ngog in attack as this pattern is favoured in most forums


Hardly a call for optimism given the results from fielding them together in recent times.

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It isn't as much a "hostile" situation is it is a high pressured one. The Anfield hot seat was at one time much sought after and even now, there is a great deal of pressure on the manager because of the expectations of fans. This has all however nothing to do with the method is which managers choose to put instructions across. It has to do with them giving instructions at all. Mmm sorry but I don't get your point on Rafa shouting or Houllier having a heart attack.

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I share the frustrations of you all. Most of us will agree that we can trace almost all our problems back to the current owners. Nothing much we can do about that. What we can do is to remain loyal to our team and be hopeful - no point being overly optimistic or pessimistic. Let's just continue to enjoy our Reds.

Yes, the players are probably affected by the ownership issue etc.. but they are GOOD players and they can still play some GOOD football. Cole's ball skills are a joy to watch; what they said about Mereiles being an end-to-end player seem to be true. Of course, we still have Gerrard, Torres, Reina and even Kuyt to savour. Jova works harder than Riera and Babel ever did, and Ngog is beginning to score goals. These are the stuff that provide some hope to the supporters.

Remember that "form is temporary but class is permanent"? LFC is a class team going through a temporary dip in form.
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Sep 29 2010, 03:02 PM)
I share the frustrations of you all.  Most of us will agree that we can trace almost all our problems back to the current owners. Nothing much we can do about that.  What we can do is to remain loyal to our team and be hopeful - no point being overly optimistic or pessimistic.  Let's just continue to enjoy our Reds.

Yes, the players are probably affected by the ownership issue etc.. but they are GOOD players and they can still play some GOOD football.  Cole's ball skills are a joy to watch; what they said about Mereiles being an end-to-end player seem to be true. Of course, we still have Gerrard, Torres, Reina and even Kuyt to savour. Jova works harder than Riera and Babel ever did, and Ngog is beginning to score goals.  These are the stuff that provide some hope to the supporters.

Remember that "form is temporary but class is permanent"? LFC is a class team going through a temporary dip in form.
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The thing is I know we have good players which adds to the frustration. Last season, we got posters downplaying our defeats to the likes of teams like Portsmouth, despite the fact that almost each and every player in our first eleven is a full fledged international for decent international sides. It isn't as though we have a team of internationals from Maldova, Faroe Islands or Fiji. It is therefore really agitating when we struggle against weak sides.

"Form is temporary but class is permanent". I subscribe to this belief but we aren't talking about a player going through a bad patch here. We are talking about a club going through some real problems. You are talking about a club who on a commercial front has fallen way behind our rivals. The mancs may have woes of their own but from a commercial standpoint, they are one of the biggest brands in the world. I am proud of our illustrious past, culture and traditions but it is true that we cannot continue to live in the past. It is true that we cannot hope to gain more fans by preaching about how much Shankly means to us (it hasn't worked here has it?). Fact of the matters is that the mass market does not care. If you are successful, you get fans and when you have these fans, you need to milk them dry, something we failed to do when we were the top dog in England.

Class is indeed permanent but we have to embrace reality and accept that class may be something we are devoid off at the moment.
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but does King Kenny involve in searching for new manager in a few month ago?
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I can't fantom who might want to manage us in the state that we are in, bar SVG. Expectations are high and transfer funds are almost non-existent. For a high profile manager it will be like signing his own death warrant.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 29 2010, 03:46 PM)

we aren't talking about a player going through a bad patch here. We are talking about a club going through some real problems. You are talking about a club who on a commercial front has fallen way behind our rivals. The mancs may have woes of their own but from a commercial standpoint, they are one of the biggest brands in the world. I am proud of our illustrious past, culture and traditions but it is true that we cannot continue to live in the past. It is true that we cannot hope to gain more fans by preaching about how much Shankly means to us (it hasn't worked here has it?). Fact of the matters is that the mass market does not care. If you are successful, you get fans and when you have these fans, you need to milk them dry, something we failed to do when we were the top dog in England.

Class is indeed permanent but we have to embrace reality and accept that class may be something we are devoid off at the moment.
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Cannot agree with quite a few things you wrote. When a club has real problems, it will affect players. Commercially, LFC has not done badly despite not being the England FA's favourite (read Man U) and not having Russian or Arab oil money. LFC may not be the current biggest brand but it may have the largest following amongst baby boomers worldwide, and boomers still hold the purse strings in most Asian households! Don't understand your point that the club should have milked its fans dry but LFC has never been quite as caught up with business and money until the last decade or so. If you agree that class is permanent then LFC cannot be devoid of it at any moment!

Please allow me to give you the following account : Man U got worldwide sympathy after their plane crash tragedy back in the late 1950s and the English FA fell in "permanent love" with it. However, it could not avoid being relegated in the early 1970s - they had a terrible, terrible season which ended with one of their former favourites Denis Law backheeling Man City's third or fourth goal in against them. That season, Man U's form was somewhere in outer space! But they are a class team (like it or not) and many supporters (including one of my classmates) continued to support them in Div 2 the following season.

Liverpool is a class team, going through a bad patch. Judging from the first 6 games, I don't think they are in any danger of relegation. I personally feel that they will finish among the top 7 again.

My friend, you are entitled your rantings but not everyone would like to join your continuous lamenting. Let's watch the season as it unfolds and see how LFC's pedigree will come through. In the meantime, don't forget to enjoy the games - watching football is supposed to relax us and give us something to talk/write about, not drag us down into depression or, worse still, give us a heart attack!
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he did but end up so frustrated with the quality of shortlist that he nominated himself
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he voice up his frustration after RH appointed....


QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 29 2010, 04:17 PM)
I can't fantom who might want to manage us in the state that we are in, bar SVG. Expectations are high and transfer funds are almost non-existent. For a high profile manager it will be like signing his own death warrant.
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frustrating, that sums up the first 2 months of our season. in the fans' eyes. some of us look for more optimism since its safe to say its still early days in roy's reign. some are hoping to see us perform better to the level we know we are capable of. whatever it is, not one of us here wants to see our team lose. thats obvious. hence, we can only hope for the better, if not we might lose our top players being shipped out. it wont suprise me to see torres leave next summer. but point is, right now, we are in this together. i can only hope we start to get results our way. expect a few first teamers to be rested again tmr as roy continues to concentrate on the league. anyways, read in papers today that deschamps rejected our approach, stated there he was really considering it, only thing was that he had already started pre season with marseille and how much the fans meant to him. if it was a week earlier, it might have very well be the frenchman as our manager.

well, even the top teams struggle for some period. maybe this is ours. read : real madrid. just continue to be supportive n never lose FAITH.

on the debate on whether glenny shud be played as a winger, i am excited about that prospect as we lack natural wide players. hope to see some changes. roy said he already know what to change prior to sunderland's game. i bet things didnt work out quite well. n really hope torres gets another goal. probably the goal will get him going. even rooney is having a drought. talk about form smile.gif
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Let's take a bit of a detour for the moment. I know we have been accused many time to live in the past, but i guess there's nothing wrong in relieving in the sheer moment of brilliant football that we were able to produce.

For the benefit of our younger fans in here. heck im young myself. Im sharing the Liverpool Season Review of 1987/1988.

This team is widely acknowledged to be one of the best team's in Liverpool history. It had talent, finesse, skills and most important what is sorely lacking in our team right now. Pass & Move football. This team was the absolute best in pass n move football. When mentioned pass & move first thing comes to mind is Liverpool.

Ever wanted to know how John Barnes , Peter Beardsley , John Aldrigde ,Steve Nicol, Steve McMahon were in their absolute prime? watch it, and relive it. jaw dropping football and this is what were capable of in the 80's

Liverpool Season Review 1987/1988

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infact Liverpool was the pioneer of one touch football in EPL (then) which we witness once in a while in our current crop of players thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Sep 29 2010, 09:19 PM)
Let's take a bit of a detour for the moment. I know we have been accused many time to live in the past, but i guess there's nothing wrong in relieving in the sheer moment of brilliant football that we were able to produce.

For the benefit of our younger fans in here. heck im young myself. Im sharing the Liverpool Season Review of 1987/1988.

This team is widely acknowledged to be one of the best team's in Liverpool history. It had talent, finesse, skills and most important what is sorely lacking in our team right now. Pass & Move football. This team was the absolute best in pass n move football. When mentioned pass & move first thing comes to mind is Liverpool.

Ever wanted to know how John Barnes , Peter Beardsley , John Aldrigde ,Steve Nicol, Steve McMahon were in their absolute prime? watch it, and relive it. jaw dropping football and this is what were capable of in the 80's

Liverpool Season Review 1987/1988

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Maybe RH can try Spearing + Meireles Midfield combo instead of fielding Poulsen or Lucas...

Reina
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Kuyt-Meireles-Cole
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Torres

We need a solid midfield to assist Gerrard & Torres..
Gerrard-Torres partnership is still relevant to me; as long we have a good midfielders + CREATIVE as well...
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Maybe RH can try Spearing + Meireles Midfield combo instead of fielding Poulsen or Lucas...

Reina
Johnson-Carra-Soto-Agger
Spearing
Kuyt-Meireles-Cole
Gerrard
Torres

We need a solid midfield to assist Gerrard & Torres..
Gerrard-Torres partnership is still relevant to me; as long we have a good midfielders + CREATIVE as well...
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Hollywood A-listers to join battle for Liverpool
Published 19:41 29/09/10 By David Maddock


The campaign against Liverpool’s owners is about to reach for the stars…with a cast of Hollywood A-listers READY to highlight the protest.

Film industry big-hitters Mike Jefferies and Dan Hubbard, who are passionate Reds disgusted at what is happening to their beloved club, are on Merseyside this weekend to make a film highlighting the current plight.

Jefferies is a Hollywood producer and director with a string of box office hits to his credit, while Hubbard has been involved in massive blockbusters such as King Kong and Bourne Ultimatum, and both will bring their impressive contacts list to the party.


They intend to make a film that will hit the internet next week, with celebrities and influential Liverpool fans involved in what promises to be a massive viral campaign with millions of online hits.

Already, superstars such as Samuel L Jackson and Mike Myers – both confirmed Liverpool fans – are rumoured to be involved, and Jefferies, who wrote and produced the Disney ‘Goal!’ series of movies, has promised some huge names.

“You won’t believe who’s involved. I’ve been stunned by terrific reaction of so many celebrity Reds, and many, many fans want to be involved in the film too,” he said.

“It is important to get the message across that the fans want Hicks and Gillett out. There are millions of supporters who can not accept their club being touted as a product like a soft drink.

“The viral is already building massive momentum and there is a real feeling now amongst the fanbase. But they don’t care, they don’t care about our club – except its valuation.

“They don’t care about the players or the fans. Or our history, or our heritage, and they don’t care about our future.

“By trying to refinance instead of showing some class and cutting a reasonable deal with someone and cutting his losses, Hicks is saying 'f**k you' to the fans.

“So what should we say in reply? ENOUGH! The only way we can get him to change his arrogant mindset is to give him a bloody nose and embarrass him in front of his family, friends, business associates, investors etc.

“Therefore, I flew up from Cape Town last night to come to Liverpool to make a short film here this weekend in which Liverpool fans and stakeholders will tell Tom Hicks – and the world – what they think of him. We are going to shame him and hit him where it hurts.”

The Hollywood pair have already enlisted some massive stars to appear in the film, but they want more fans, and more celebrities to turn up in Liverpool this week to be part of the film.

They will be based at the Hope Street Hotel in the city centre from 10am-6pm on Saturday, and 9am-noon on Sunday, and want people to come along to record their protest.

“Our aim is to work night and day so that we can have the film uploaded onto YouTube by Tuesday, and we would then like fans to email the URL to their entire address books,” he added.

“Imagine if we could get a MILLION hits. If we can achieve that, then we can rest assured that everyone who counts will know that Tom Hicks is utterly despised. And more importantly, Tom Hicks will know.”

Jefferies wants as many fans as possible to join him, and he has promised to keep everyone updated on his Twitter account, which can be found on mikejefferiesL4. And who knows, there may be messages from some of Hollywood’s biggest stars on there….



Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liver...l#ixzz10yA6jLHz


Read Hollywood producer's open letter to Tom Hicks


Published 19:58 29/09/10 By David Maddock




Hollywood big-hitter Mike Jefferies, who is behind a guerilla film protest aimed at kicking Tom Hicks out of Anfield, has published an open letter to Anfield's in-debt co-owner.

Jefferies and business partner Dan Hubbard have jetted to Merseyside to lead a star-studded protest which is rumoured to include celebrity Reds Samuel L Jackson and Mike Myers. Here is an edited version of his letter...



So Tom Hicks wants to refinance and hang on to LFC. Hasn’t he got the message?


Doesn’t he know he has become the most despised person on Merseyside since Kelvin f***ing McKenzie? Doesn’t he realise the damage he’s doing to our club?

Just look at what he’s been doing:

•He promised that the acquisition of LFC would not be a Glazer-Style LBO. It ended up being as bad – if not worse – with all the debt being loaded onto the club’s balance sheet. The net result is that the club is now up to its ears in debt. And it could get worse!

•He’s been behind a policy to sell many top players and replace them with (significantly) cheaper alternatives. This, despite promises of “Snoogy Doogy” and “Big Summer 2010”.

•Despite promises made to the contrary, he’s failed to start work on a new stadium – despite circa $100M being spent on Architect fees.

•He undermined Rafa Benitez by (scandalously) having public discussions with a possible successor, Jurgen Klinsmann.

•He resorted to nepotism and appointed his son to the Board of Directors, who soon had to resign after sending an email to a fan in which he wrote: “Blow me f**k face”.

•He’s treated the King with sheer disrespect. Apparently he has “bigger things” in mind for KD than being Manager of LFC.

•He’s embarrassed the hell out of us in the media (and amongst our peers) with endless reports of trying (unsuccessfully) to shop the club like a clapped-out second-hand car – all over the world from Hong Kong to India, and from Saudi Arabia to the good old USA. Even to Syria! Everyone’s said no. Because of his ridiculous valuation(s).

The above list of ‘Crimes Against LFC’ is pretty shocking. And it’s why we are now languishing above the relegation zone. And out of the Carling Cup (to fourth Division Northampton… @ home!). And with no Champions League football. And with not much likelihood of it next season.

But Tom Hicks doesn’t care. By trying to refinance – instead of showing some class and cutting a reasonable deal with someone and cutting his losses - he is saying “f**k you”.

So what should we say in reply?

“ENOUGH!”

The only way we – as fans and stakeholders – can get him to change his arrogant mindset is to shame him and embarrass him in front of his family, friends, business associates, investors, and political contacts etc. And of course in the media. Especially in the USA. Especially in Texas!

He doesn’t give a s**t what we do in Liverpool….

We have to take this to him in America!

Therefore, I just flew up from Cape Town last night to come to Liverpool to make a short film here this weekend in which Liverpool fans and stakeholders will tell Tom Hicks – and the world! - exactly what they think of him.

And when friends of Tom Hicks see it, they will either start asking him some very painful questions, or they’ll no longer take his calls. We are going to shame him.

Liverpool fans everywhere are coming together this weekend with LOADS of local celebs, former players, high profile Redmen, actors, musicians, politicians and everyone who cares about our unique football club to send a simple, powerful and definitive message to Tom Hicks: GET OUT OF OUR CLUB.

But we want the fans to be included too. So if YOU want to come along and tell Tom Hicks what you think of him, we will be filming on Saturday from 10.00am – 6.00pm at the Hope Street Hotel in Liverpool. Please form an orderly queue and be prepared for a wait....

And we'll be filming on Sunday too around the ground and in the pubs.

Our aim is to work night and day so that we can have the film uploaded onto YouTube by Tuesday and we would like the fans to then email the URL to their entire address books. Spread the word! To the media. To the financial community. To everyone. To the world!

Imagine if we can get a MILLION HITS on YouTube! If we achieve that, then we can rest assured that everyone who counts will know that Tom Hicks is utterly despised. And more importantly, Tom Hicks will know….

Walk on Tom. Jog on Tom. We are LIVERPOOL!!!



Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk

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"Form is temporary but class is permanent". I subscribe to this belief but we aren't talking about a player going through a bad patch here. We are talking about a club going through some real problems. You are talking about a club who on a commercial front has fallen way behind our rivals. The mancs may have woes of their own but from a commercial standpoint, they are one of the biggest brands in the world. I am proud of our illustrious past, culture and traditions but it is true that we cannot continue to live in the past. It is true that we cannot hope to gain more fans by preaching about how much Shankly means to us (it hasn't worked here has it?). Fact of the matters is that the mass market does not care. If you are successful, you get fans and when you have these fans, you need to milk them dry, something we failed to do when we were the top dog in England.

Class is indeed permanent but we have to embrace reality and accept that class may be something we are devoid off at the moment.


What you said:

QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Sep 29 2010, 04:25 PM)
Cannot agree with quite a few things you wrote.  When a club has real problems, it will affect players. 
When did I disagree? I've repeated time and time again that the source of the motivation is from the uncertainty of the club's future and there is a general consensus that morale will be lifted when it's sorted out.

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Commercially, LFC has not done badly despite not being the England FA's favourite (read Man U) and not having Russian or Arab oil money. LFC may not be the current biggest brand but it may have the largest following amongst baby boomers worldwide, and boomers still hold the purse strings in most Asian households! Don't understand your point that the club should have milked its fans dry but LFC has never been quite as caught up with business and money until the last decade or so.  If you agree that class is permanent then LFC cannot be devoid of it at any moment!


I'm not going to debate assumptions because it will never end. I'll start by commenting on a point you brought you, that Liverpool have never really been caught up with business and money until the last decade, or even less. This further reinforces my point that we never capitalised on our success back in the 80's. We were the last Premiership club to have our own website and we never had a Commercial Director until the appointment of Ian Ayre in 2007. I've no doubt that we have a pretty large global following but we never saw it fit to tap on them until recently, hence the appointment of Ayre. Just to add, we have only just recently launched our own TV station. Instead of leading the trend, we are now followers. Do read this interview with Ayre if you haven't already. It gives readers an idea of what we could have done much earlier to ensure our commercial value is higher than it is now. Yes we have a large following but up until recently, we didn't have proper communication channels with our fans whether it be via the internet, TV, LFC stores, email, etc. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...s-with-ian-ayre

Since the appointment of Ayre, we've begun to look into channels and issues we previously overlooked. Here is a simple example, the Liverbird which was never trademarked until recently. I can't even begin to imagine how much we've lost over the years (http://www.football-marketing.com/2010/09/14/new-deal-could-earn-liverpool-football-club-millions-in-lost-revenue/).

I'm going to touch a little on sponsorship. Prior to Standard Chartered, our partnership with Carlsberg was the longest standing in the Premiership. This 'symbiotic' relationship cost them $7 million pounds yearly (http://soccerlens.com/english-premier-league-club-sponsors/19279/). In 2006, Tottenham signed a deal with sponsors, Mansion worth at least $8.5 million pounds yearly and Spurs have won next to nothing in years. In contrast we won the Champions League in 2005 and went all the way to the finals again in 2007. Can you imagine how many more eyeballs Carlsberg got over the course of the tournament? Why Rick Parry stuck with Carlsberg for so long remains a mystery. Man Utd rake in $14.5 million pounds a year from AIG. We have only just recently agreed to a $20 million pound a year deal with Standard Chartered which does suggest we still have status. It's just frustrating that it took this long to capitalise on it.

I don't actually disagree with anything you've said here and my take is that all of the above should have been done or at least planned, earlier. By appointing our first Commercial Director in 2007 is a step forward but it's discerning to note that the club never seriously looked into it when we were regularly competing for honours.

QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Sep 29 2010, 04:25 PM)
Please allow me to give you the following account : Man U got worldwide sympathy after their plane crash tragedy back in the late 1950s and the English FA fell in "permanent love" with it.  However, it could not avoid being relegated in the early 1970s - they had a terrible, terrible season which ended with one of their former favourites Denis Law backheeling Man City's third or fourth goal in against them. That season, Man U's form was somewhere in outer space!  But they are a class team (like it or not) and many supporters (including one of my classmates) continued to support them in Div 2 the following season.

Liverpool is a class team, going through a bad patch.  Judging from the first 6 games, I don't think they are in any danger of relegation.  I personally feel that they will finish among the top 7 again.


What is your definition of "class team"? If it's the football on the pitch, then it's been awhile since I've seen class. We played brilliant football when I first started watching under Dalglish and we played some exciting football under Evans. In the last decade, it is my opinion that there were more boring games than there were brilliant ones, bar the season we finished 2nd.

If you are referring to the club as a whole, which by your reference to past tragedies I assume you are, then yes, Liverpool is a club with class but times have changed and we are only slowly realising that as much as the population of Liverpool would like to keep the club Scouse and local, it needs the support of fans and investors worldwide to compete. The thing is you cannot sell "class' to fans, especially if they do not care about history which is clearly the case these days. I've come across numerous mancs and kopites who have never heard of the Munich Air Disaster or Hillsborough. I've met numerous who have no idea who Duncan Edwards, Dennis Law, Matt Busby, Ian St. John, Emelyn Hughes or Bill Shankly are. Fans know the name of Liverpool Football Club but few can tell you why they support us. This is leading me to believe that by and large, class is overrated as much as I hate to say it. Liverpool have always tried to avoid losing our identity by selling ourselves to the global market fearing that traditions and values will be lost and diluted over time. It's happening right now.

QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Sep 29 2010, 04:25 PM)
My friend, you are entitled your rantings but not everyone would like to join your continuous lamenting.  Let's watch the season as it unfolds and see how LFC's pedigree will come through.  In the meantime, don't forget to enjoy the games - watching football is supposed to relax us and give us something to talk/write about, not drag us down into depression or, worse still, give us a heart attack!
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Mate, I'm not here to be popular or politically correct. I offer my views just as any other and my pessimism was cultivated over years, not just one season. This doesn't mean I don't watch games and go ballistic when we score. You can ask those who have watched games with me. I have no control over who goes into depression for posters are always welcomed to counter my views with well formed opinions, and this may even help change the way I see things but I have yet to come across any unfortunately. Suffice to say, a pat on the back accompanied by a "it's ok, everything will be alright, cheer up", won't suffice. I hope to see concrete reasons for optimism pretty soon a good sign would be seeing the back of those damn yanks, or damn yank as it may be now.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 30 2010, 12:02 PM)
Mate, I'm not here to be popular or politically correct. I offer my views just as any other and my pessimism was cultivated over years, not just one season. This doesn't mean I don't watch games and go ballistic when we score. You can ask those who have watched games with me. I have no control over who goes into depression for posters are always welcomed to counter my views with well formed opinions, and this may even help change the way I see things but I have yet to come across any unfortunately. Suffice to say, a pat on the back accompanied by a "it's ok, everything will be alright, cheer up", won't suffice. I hope to see concrete reasons for optimism pretty soon a good sign would be seeing the back of those damn yanks, or damn yank as it may be now.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 30 2010, 01:19 PM)
Hard to call you a pessimist judging by the way you watch football. It's also hard to call you neutral as well. Guess alcohol make us all optimistic eh? LOL
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My point is that whilst I agree fans should get behind their teams and support them regardless the circumstances, I don't think "lamenting" about what could be better or done differently is wrong. The only way to improve is to pick on the flaws.
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Yesterday marked the 29th year since Shankly took his last breath and amidst all the turmoil surrounding the club now, I feel it's apt to take some time out to remember the passing of a truly great man.

Bill Shankly
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Yesterday marked the 29th year since Shankly took his last breath and amidst all the turmoil surround the club now, I feel it's apt to take some time out to remember the passing of a truly great man.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 30 2010, 12:02 PM)
I'm not going to debate assumptions because it will never end. I'll start by commenting on a point you brought you, that Liverpool have never really been caught up with business and money until the last decade, or even less. This further reinforces my point that we never capitalised on our success back in the 80's. We were the last Premiership club to have our own website and we never had a Commercial Director until the appointment of Ian Ayre in 2007. I've no doubt that we have a pretty large global following but we never saw it fit to tap on them until recently, hence the appointment of Ayre. Just to add, we have only just recently launched our own TV station. Instead of leading the trend, we are now followers. Do read this interview with Ayre if you haven't already. It gives readers an idea of what we could have done much earlier to ensure our commercial value is higher than it is now. Yes we have a large following but up until recently, we didn't have proper communication channels with our fans whether it be via the internet, TV, LFC stores, email, etc. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...s-with-ian-ayre
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Yup, agree.

Liv from concuring the first division title eventually fail to win a single league title after PL being introduced, also has a lot to do with business and financial as well. Since PL born, it is very commercialised sport, and you need financial strength to compete at top level to get the best player.

Nowadays, PL football is just like running a company. You need a good manager, like good engineer in a company, and also a good financial officer to run the financial show behind so that the club can move forwards.
Without both even a good manager/engineer that can produce good product, you don't know how to sell or what price you should sell at a profit.

Liv has been poor in transfer market as well, always pay high to get player, while shipping out players at cheap. Only a few exceptional case, like Alonso.


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Liverpool Season Review 1987/1988

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 30 2010, 04:25 PM)
Yup, agree.

Liv from concuring the first division title eventually fail to win a single league title after PL being introduced, also has a lot to do with business and financial as well. Since PL born, it is very commercialised sport, and you need financial strength to compete at top level to get the best player.

Nowadays, PL football is just like running a company. You need a good manager, like good engineer in a company, and also a good financial officer to run the financial show behind so that the club can move forwards.
Without both even a good manager/engineer that can produce good product, you don't know how to sell or what price you should sell at a profit.

Liv has been poor in transfer market as well, always pay high to get player, while shipping out players at cheap. Only a few exceptional case, like Alonso.
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I'm not as critical when it comes to our wheeling and dealing. We don't really spend a lot on a single player bar Cisse, Torres, Aquilani and Johnson. I'm surprised that buyers offered to take the likes of Bruno Cheyrou, Salif Diao, Josemi and Anthony Le Tallec off our hands so I'm not complaining.

I failed to mention this earlier but the fact that we've never looked for investors to increase the capacity at Anfield until recent years despite have such a huge global appeal is also a matter of concern. I know the ground sharing issue was hugely opposed by Liverpool fans but if we can't find finance for it, we aren't left with too many options. Inter and AC share the San Siro and there is little reason, sentiment aside that Liverpool and Everton can't given that both sets of fans practically live with one another. Assuming we play 25 home games in a season (Premiership & Europe) and had an extra 20,000 seats, how much more would that add up to?
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BPL isn't like Ligue 1 or bundesliga,where despite being having big names(lyon,marsielle or psg for ligue 1,bayern,bremen and shalke for the bundesliga)the title race remain open for most of the club

only 3 team in BPL has realistic chance to win the league.the rest are hoping for UCL spot and europa spots.blaming the sugar daddies is one thing,but other investor need to be considered as well(since every penny counts)
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The campaign against Liverpool’s owners is about to reach for the stars…with a cast of Hollywood A-listers READY to highlight the protest.

Film industry big-hitters Mike Jefferies and Dan Hubbard, who are passionate Reds disgusted at what is happening to their beloved club, are on Merseyside this weekend to make a film highlighting the current plight.

Jefferies is a Hollywood producer and director with a string of box office hits to his credit, while Hubbard has been involved in massive blockbusters such as King Kong and Bourne Ultimatum, and both will bring their impressive contacts list to the party.

They intend to make a film that will hit the internet next week, with celebrities and influential Liverpool fans involved in what promises to be a massive viral campaign with millions of online hits.

Already, superstars such as Samuel L Jackson and Mike Myers – both confirmed Liverpool fans – are rumoured to be involved, and Jefferies, who wrote and produced the Disney ‘Goal!’ series of movies, has promised some huge names.

“You won’t believe who’s involved. I’ve been stunned by terrific reaction of so many celebrity Reds, and many, many fans want to be involved in the film too,” he said.

“It is important to get the message across that the fans want Hicks and Gillett out. There are millions of supporters who can not accept their club being touted as a product like a soft drink.

“The viral is already building massive momentum and there is a real feeling now amongst the fanbase. But they don’t care, they don’t care about our club – except its valuation.

“They don’t care about the players or the fans. Or our history, or our heritage, and they don’t care about our future.

“By trying to refinance instead of showing some class and cutting a reasonable deal with someone and cutting his losses, Hicks is saying 'f**k you' to the fans.

“So what should we say in reply? ENOUGH! The only way we can get him to change his arrogant mindset is to give him a bloody nose and embarrass him in front of his family, friends, business associates, investors etc.

“Therefore, I flew up from Cape Town last night to come to Liverpool to make a short film here this weekend in which Liverpool fans and stakeholders will tell Tom Hicks – and the world – what they think of him. We are going to shame him and hit him where it hurts.”

The Hollywood pair have already enlisted some massive stars to appear in the film, but they want more fans, and more celebrities to turn up in Liverpool this week to be part of the film.

They will be based at the Hope Street Hotel in the city centre from 10am-6pm on Saturday, and 9am-noon on Sunday, and want people to come along to record their protest.

“Our aim is to work night and day so that we can have the film uploaded onto YouTube by Tuesday, and we would then like fans to email the URL to their entire address books,” he added.

“Imagine if we could get a MILLION hits. If we can achieve that, then we can rest assured that everyone who counts will know that Tom Hicks is utterly despised. And more importantly, Tom Hicks will know.”

Jefferies wants as many fans as possible to join him, and he has promised to keep everyone updated on his Twitter account, which can be found on mikejefferiesL4. And who knows, there may be messages from some of Hollywood’s biggest stars on there….

SOS: Mirror.co.uk


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post Sep 30 2010, 05:39 PM

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It's f*kin' A to know badass Samuel L Jackson/Mace Windu/Nick Fury supports Liverpool. Please give Hicks and Gillet some @$$-whoopin'!
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Write some bad reviews on Hicks Holdings guys!! i just wrote mine here!

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can i noe is shelvey is in the first team?tot he is supposed to be the next gerrard but rarely see he playing.
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post Sep 30 2010, 08:55 PM

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im hoping tonite it'll be a different ball game from Liverpool,one that worth staying up late for,come on Liverpool at least win this one title flex.gif
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The game is quite early, so gud bcoz don't need to stay awake for too long...
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...aleague&cc=4716

OMG!!!! This is the worst remarks I've ever heard from Liverpool manager.
How could a Liverpool manager have such apathy? How could he dismiss our chances of winning trophies at this early stage or campaign?
I am just speechless.
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hey buddy, wait till our ownership problem being fixed only buy the jersey, currently they having some campaign to not support the merchandise sales in UK to protest against H&G

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Let's take a bit of a detour for the moment. I know we have been accused many time to live in the past, but i guess there's nothing wrong in relieving in the sheer moment of brilliant football that we were able to produce.

For the benefit of our younger fans in here. heck im young myself. Im sharing the Liverpool Season Review of 1987/1988.

This team is widely acknowledged to be one of the best team's in Liverpool history. It had talent, finesse, skills and most important what is sorely lacking in our team right now. Pass & Move football. This team was the absolute best in pass n move football. When mentioned pass & move first thing comes to mind is Liverpool.

Ever wanted to know how John Barnes , Peter Beardsley , John Aldrigde ,Steve Nicol, Steve McMahon were in their absolute prime? watch it, and relive it. jaw dropping football and this is what were capable of in the 80's

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shiver me timbers when i recall that 5-0 trashing of Forest......

but then, not a good time to watch this...looking at the anti-pass&move philosophy our team is adopting now...

Perhaps Dalglish warrants a chance.......things are not looking positive now and perhaps appointing him might bring more good than bad...

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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...aleague&cc=4716

no Europa, no Carling, no FA, no EPL....
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sigh....

reading from ESPN about the 1995 CL final between Ajax and Milan....(was interested to read about Jari Litmanen...one of my fav Liverpool player)....


and this is what i read about Van Gaal philosophies at Ajax then...

``The man tasked with extracting optimum effort and application from this talented collective was Van Gaal - a coach who demanded perfection and drilled into his side a tactical and technical appreciation that saw them become one of the most fluid and feared teams in Europe. There were echoes of that Total Football side - Van Gaal's assistant Gerard van der Lem revealed as much when outlining Ajax's approach in David Winner's 'Brilliant Orange: The Neurotic Genius of Dutch Football'. "We talked always about speed of ball, space and time," said Van der Lem. "Where is the most space? Where is the player who has the most time? That is where we have to play the ball. Every player had to understand the whole geometry of the whole pitch and the system as a whole."

For midfielder Seedorf, who would go on to become the first man to win the trophy with three different teams, "The focal point of training sessions is the ball itself. Only those who show perfect control of the ball in every situation are selected." Meanwhile, the commanding Rijkaard, playing his last professional game in the 1995 final, felt technical perfection had to be matched by a steely determination. "If you play for Ajax, you are hard-working or else you wouldn't have survived all the selections year in, year out," he said. "In time those who make the grade develop self-confidence and the feeling of belonging to one of the best."

This very clear and focused philosophy, demanding positional discipline, intelligence and speed of thought and foot, served Ajax very well. They went the entire Eredivisie season unbeaten in 1994-95 - scoring over 100 goals in the process - and enjoyed success in Europe too. AC Milan were beaten twice in the Champions League group stages - 2-0 at home thanks to goals from Ronald de Boer and Litmanen, and 2-0 in Trieste through Litmanen and an own goal from Baresi - before Hadjuk Split and then Giovanni Trapattoni's Bayern Munich were defeated en route to the final''



Sigh....such clear philosophy of technique, tactic and perfection......reading about it also make my jaw dropped....

What do i see at Liverpool? none of this....just relying on the same old big names to conjure some miracles here and there to try and win the game....

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The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Johnson, Kelly, Skrtel, Carragher, Lucas, Poulsen, Kuyt, Cole, Meireles,Torres. Subs: Jones, Jovanovic, Kyrgiakos, Maxi, Spearing, Babel, Ngog.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 30 2010, 10:08 PM)
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...aleague&cc=4716

OMG!!!! This is the worst remarks I've ever heard from Liverpool manager.
How could a Liverpool manager have such apathy? How could he dismiss our chances of winning trophies at this early stage or campaign?
I am just speechless.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 30 2010, 11:59 PM)
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Johnson, Kelly, Skrtel, Carragher, Lucas, Poulsen, Kuyt, Cole, Meireles,Torres. Subs: Jones, Jovanovic, Kyrgiakos, Maxi, Spearing, Babel, Ngog.
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I am actually happy with that, given that if they play now, they wont be pair together next match... GOOD!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 1 2010, 12:25 AM)
I am actually happy with that, given that if they play now, they wont be pair together next match... GOOD!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 1 2010, 12:25 AM)
I am actually happy with that, given that if they play now, they wont be pair together next match... GOOD!
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hows the first half performance?
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LUCAS... You really are a piece of SHIT!!!! My grandmother play better then you....
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 1 2010, 01:46 AM)
hows the first half performance?
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the only Good thing

the score is still Nil Nil and we are playing away sweat.gif
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lucas, miereless, poulsen and kelly were poor for the 1st half performance.
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Poulsen = Poison

lets take this barger out

put in Spearing

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i think better bring out both lucas & Poulsen, spearing & Ngog in plsssss....
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how come torres missed the golden chance...anyway good pass by ex-utrecht (kuyt)


Added on October 1, 2010, 2:19 amgood news...steaua lead napoli 3-1..if we win this match sure easy way to 2nd round...


Added on October 1, 2010, 2:22 ami think it's the time to bring in maxi n babel....come on roy...

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... we looked like leeds united , the season b4 they got relegated. Plenty of stars, 3rd grade performance with a 2nd grade manager.


Added on October 1, 2010, 2:23 amHopefully i am just looking at the worst and hoping for the best to come.

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played with no fire at all.. sigh...
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Our reputation as a commercially viable team is quickly diminishing with performances like these. A week ago we made Northampton look like a Premiership side and now Utrecht look like a Champions League side. We need to start moving the ball about faster in the final third. Not many positives to note so far. Could easily be behind by now.
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time to replace cole/meireles with maxi/babel....


Added on October 1, 2010, 2:31 amwe're contuniously been attacked...what happenned to our pair of DMF...the ball also easyly going to our penalty box...

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rubbish performance... cant even keep the ball for more than 5 mins.
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it is time to say goodbye to roy hodgson , for few matches already and I cant understand your tactic


Added on October 1, 2010, 2:35 amit is time to say goodbye to roy hodgson , for few matches already and I cant understand your tactic

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another 10 minutes left for maxi...
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we almost conceded :WTF:
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i can the hope on maxi....but need babel/jova to help him instead of meireles/lucas....
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 1 2010, 02:33 AM)
rubbish performance... cant even keep the ball for more than 5 mins.
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We can't even hold the ball for 1 min. I think we lose possession less than 30 seconds.


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i feel nervous everytime our opponent have a free kick or corner , i saw lucas and poulsen challenge each other to get the ball...sad tactic ..put 2 forwards and put kuyt on right
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i should sleep than watching this.
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if draw...for sure utrecth will celebrate it as a winner...ha..ha..
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we almost conceded :WTF:
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Its really sad to see my team play like this.... and i've been supporting them for more then 20 years... never been so frustrated.....
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nothing to say, the result as expected once i look at tis line up..
n why the heck RH didnt want to change his tactic on the game, he dun know how to read game? WTF
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poor match.. should have slept.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 1 2010, 02:46 AM)
We might have conceded 5-6 goals in this match. Luck is on our side.
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only kuyt play well...but not enough...
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a draw again n again n again n again n again.... zzzzzzzz
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rubbish performance... im losing faith in the team.. haiz...
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did RH wanted to play for a POINT in the first place ?


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I think Roy Hodgson wont stay long as manager , he have to do something before it is too late

I hate it when we play defensive tactic and we still so vulnerable
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i'm losing faith in RH... arhhhh
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the hell happened to the team.. almost full strength squad also can take out uterecht? i only catch the last 30mins of the game but obviously the whole game suck.

a formidable team in europe just last season but now so pathetic... sigh... RH incompetency really starting to eh?
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did RH wanted to play for a POINT in the first place ?
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wow. i bet roy is gonna say its a GOOD performance away from home, considering utrecht good home record. lmao. really shite performance. bad passing, misunderstanding among defenders, half hearted perfomance by the whole team, even carragher miscued his kick. lucas passing to opponent players in OWN HALF. i dont even know what kuyt is doing at times. i dont see much hope unless some real drastic changes are being made. gerrard cant save us single-handedly all the time. i doubt we can even get 2 goals against blackpool this weekend. i dont see anyone scoring, and the only player which look good going forward is johnson, our right back, that tells the whole story.
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Boring match. All like training only. Not even one good try... ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
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We might have conceded 8-10 goals in this match.
Lucas made few mistakes, Poulsen made few mistakes, Kelly made few mistakes and Utrecht had few good chances too.

Having a draw is not an issue.
The big concern is we played like school boys. We did not have the formation when the opponent pressed us. The team played like headless chicken whenever we under pressure.
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if he want play for a POINT , he will be show way out sooner or later ...I am okay if he play defensive style but we can easily conceded 4-5 goals today eventhough we play defensively..and why put meireles on the right ..we already know that poulsen cant play with lucas
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IMHO, none of the players played well including kuyt, missed passes, poor run, you name it.

as for manager wise, the team are finding hard times for a break through since the starting minutes, and you only made 1 substitute at the 82nd minute by taking out cole for a sorry to say more inferior maxi.
it was proven that Ngog has the ability to change games but you sticked with ONE substitution whereas you are eligible for THREE!!!

disappointed indeed.

p/s: torres is frustrated by the day. can see him losing his cool more often compared to previously.
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and judge from training pictures ,we can see all players play with the big ball and laughing...this is not funny if this thing get carry on , do something management , play 4-4-2 when someone can share burden with torres , he being heavily marked during this few weeks
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How the team misses Gerrard, how long will Gerrard be around? 5 years at max?

I know it's not the Liverpool's way to doubt or sack our manager this early , but decisions have to be made before it's really too late. This is the most fearful season since I started watching em when i was 9.
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so who u wan out fr Liverpool ?

RH or the Yanks

only one is allowed?
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because the fcuking Poulsen was brought by him doh.gif
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We played like a reserve team... Brilliant manager with brilliant tactic.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 02:57 AM)
so who u wan out fr Liverpool ?

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one answer not one individual right ?

Answer : Both but Yanks' on my priority.
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RH just sit there doing nothing... waiting for miracle to happen... WTF....
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wow. i bet roy is gonna say its a GOOD performance away from home, considering utrecht good home record. lmao. really shite performance. bad passing, misunderstanding among defenders, half hearted perfomance by the whole team, even carragher miscued his kick. lucas passing to opponent players in OWN HALF. i dont even know what kuyt is doing at times. i dont see much hope unless some real drastic changes are being made. gerrard cant save us single-handedly all the time. i doubt we can even get 2 goals against blackpool this weekend. i dont see anyone scoring, and the only player which look good going forward is johnson, our right back, that tells the whole story.
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...aleague&cc=4716
He already said it before the match started.

I feel disgusted with his statement. Is that the way he motivates his team?

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so who u wan out fr Liverpool ?

RH or the Yanks

only one is allowed?
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yanks first but I scared roy will get fired even before we have new owner , today match I saw that Roy failed to control his players.All player is in low morale , lack of tactical training(clueless)
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If I were to quote Roy's statement, I can write a 15 pages long essay about how to demotivate ur team and being over optimistic
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 1 2010, 02:56 AM)
and judge from training pictures ,we can see all players play with the big ball and laughing...this is not funny if this thing get carry on , do something management , play 4-4-2 when someone can share burden with torres , he being heavily marked during this few weeks
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we were playing 442. kuyt up top with torres. meireles on the right. i dont see how this is any better than 4411. worse start really worse start. this is depressing.
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RH just sit there doing nothing... waiting for miracle to happen... WTF....
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could it be RH's tactics to 'force' the Yanks out as the deadline is near and by not winning, the club will hav more preassure and the WORLD will spite the Yanks more, so much so the Yanks abandon Liverpool? icon_idea.gif
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if he didnt want 2 win europa, he wouldnt have fielded torres for 90 minutes man

might as well use ngog and babel
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 1 2010, 02:59 AM)
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...aleague&cc=4716
He already said it before the match started.

I feel disgusted with his statement. Is that the way he motivates his team?
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You just read the headline didn't you? There are no direct quote in that article that mentioned Roy doens't prioritise Europa League. Don't be blinded by Soccernet, they are pro England National Team and Manchester United. THeir journalism tactic is rather low.
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I guess he clearly made his point with our performance today.

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 1 2010, 02:59 AM)
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...aleague&cc=4716
He already said it before the match started.

I feel disgusted with his statement. Is that the way he motivates his team?
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Oct 1 2010, 03:01 AM)
we were playing 442. kuyt up top with torres. meireles on the right. i dont see how this is any better than 4411. worse start really worse start. this is depressing.
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Ngog>kuyt to partner Torres upfront and Kuyt know how to deliver good ball to Torres , Meireles shouldnt be on the wing

my 4-4-2 will be


johnson---agger---skrtel---konchesky

kuyt------gerrard---meireles---cole

torres----ngog
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:03 AM)
could it be RH's tactics to 'force'  the Yanks out as the deadline is near and by not winning, the club will hav more preassure and the WORLD will spite the Yanks more, so much so the Yanks abandon Liverpool? icon_idea.gif
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wishful thinking.... he is just a clueless mid-table manager...
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its so painful to watch the way liverpool play....

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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:03 AM)
could it be RH's tactics to 'force'  the Yanks out as the deadline is near and by not winning, the club will hav more preassure and the WORLD will spite the Yanks more, so much so the Yanks abandon Liverpool? icon_idea.gif
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whateva his tactic is , he shouldnt play with the supporters feeling..i feel pity to those who travel thr to support , those who still stay until now just to watch this match
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heart break

lucky 2 even get a draw

why we playing so badly man
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Good News

Napoli managed to draw

so its all one point fr this round thumbup.gif

we seems to be the biggest gainers as we should hav LOST and no point earn and we stay last of the group, if we Lost tonite thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:03 AM)
could it be RH's tactics to 'force'  the Yanks out as the deadline is near and by not winning, the club will hav more preassure and the WORLD will spite the Yanks more, so much so the Yanks abandon Liverpool? icon_idea.gif
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I cant find a reason why u can think of such an illogical and sickening reason to defend Roy. I noticed you are pretty much a pro Roy fans and based on your past post, you were one of the many that wanted Rafa leave and pointed at some of the pro-Rafa fans for defending him blindly. At this point, what makes you any different from them?

I know you are trying to be optimistic but most of the time, your post is, however, full of blind optimist-ism rather than rationality which is not a good thing, imho...
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:03 AM)
could it be RH's tactics to 'force'  the Yanks out as the deadline is near and by not winning, the club will hav more preassure and the WORLD will spite the Yanks more, so much so the Yanks abandon Liverpool? icon_idea.gif
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Hmmm , this might be the other way round tongue.gif
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i want to see more running BEHIND defenders la ! wtf is wrong with the team really. its mainly the same team out there. not to say like there was 5-6 changes in personnel in the first 11. the most only 4 ! doh.gif and not to add, cole n konchesky has been playing in the bpl. not like they has come from other leagues n still adjusting to the pace of bpl. fcuk this shit. this is super frustrating. we cant even create decent enough opportunities, if we drew and yet had certain chances to score, then i would still take a point. but fact is, we were super clueless in the final third. nuff said.
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hogsdson seems dont like to use all availables substitute alyhugh we play badly...same as before
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:03 AM)
could it be RH's tactics to 'force'  the Yanks out as the deadline is near and by not winning, the club will hav more preassure and the WORLD will spite the Yanks more, so much so the Yanks abandon Liverpool? icon_idea.gif
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i dont know how you come out with that but i think it's the most ridiculous thing ever. wtf? nobody in the right mind will do that. he is simply just not good enough for liverpool.
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Good News

Napoli managed to draw

so its all one point fr this round thumbup.gif

we seems to be the biggest gainers as we should hav LOST and no point earn and we stay last of the group, if we Lost tonite thumbup.gif
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Napoli from 3-0 down and get a draw, not every team can do that rclxub.gif

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I cant find a reason why u can think of such an illogical and sickening reason to defend Roy. I noticed you are pretty much a pro Roy fans and based on your past post, you were one of the many that wanted Rafa leave and pointed at some of the pro-Rafa fans for defending him blindly. At this point, what makes you any different from them?

I know you are trying to be optimistic but most of the time, your post is, however, full of blind optimist-ism rather than rationality which is not a good thing, imho...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 1 2010, 03:07 AM)
I cant find a reason why u can think of such an illogical and sickening reason to defend Roy. I noticed you are pretty much a pro Roy fans and based on your past post, you were one of the many that wanted Rafa leave and pointed at some of the pro-Rafa fans for defending him blindly. At this point, what makes you any different from them?

I know you are trying to be optimistic but most of the time, your post is, however, full of blind optimist-ism rather than rationality which is not a good thing, imho...
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other than being optimistic, wat more can u do when we are still under the Yanks thumbup.gif

i ady supported this club for more than 30+ years, i cant juz go and support Chelsea or Arse nal now

so being positive is the ONLY way wei.............


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hogsdson seems dont like to use all availables substitute alyhugh we play badly...same as before
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Exactly...
Its as if he is scared to make changes when we definitely need some...wth..
Ngog our current top scorer stayed on the bench while both Lucas and Poulsen stayed on the field when we need goals...
roy looked more and more clueless to me.... yawn.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:14 AM)
other than being optimistic, wat more can u do when we are still under the Yanks thumbup.gif

i ady supported this club for more than 30+ years, i cant juz go and support Chelsea or Arse nal now

so being positive is the ONLY way wei.............
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u r not that supportive when same things happened on us last season
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RH makes me miss him.. sad.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:14 AM)
other than being optimistic, wat more can u do when we are still under the Yanks thumbup.gif

i ady supported this club for more than 30+ years, i cant juz go and support Chelsea or Arse nal now

so being positive is the ONLY way wei.............
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 1 2010, 03:15 AM)
u r not that supportive when same things happened on us last season
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Exactly...You were calling for Rafa's head. What makes Roy different from Rafa? Just because he is British?

We said Rafa is stubborn... Roy is the same. Rafa at least did chg to less stubborn by rotating less.

We said Rafa is bad with man management...Roy doesn't seem to be any better than him...perhaps even worse than Rafa is..

We said Rafa talks a lot in the media...but he only talks to defend the team...unlike roy, he talks a lenghty long time only to lower the fans' expectation and demotivate the team...


So , please tell me... what's so good about roy? I will take RB anyday than RH who is so clueless and sitting comfortably at the chair there, praying to god for miracle to happen...

I would take an emotionless boss who dun celebrate goal but know what his job is rather than one who celebrate a goal but dunno how to do well in his job.Why the hell is sammy doing all the talking and him, sitting comfortably doing nth?
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Oct 1 2010, 03:05 AM)
its so painful to watch the way liverpool play....
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 1 2010, 03:15 AM)
u r not that supportive when same things happened on us last season
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Rafa was given 5 good years to make good on the BPL crown and he failed,

RH is only less than 5 mths, so we should be patience ............


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Rafa was given 5 good years to make good on the BPL crown and he failed,

RH is only less than 5 mths, so we should be patience ............
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Do we have the time? Pls remember the transfer window in January... Core player might be as frustrated as us...

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my choice of manager is Jose Molinho thumbup.gif

too bad we dun hav the money to bring him here

second choice is SAF laugh.gif

third choice is Kenny Dalgish icon_idea.gif

now RH is a Clown manager, at least we made me laugh laugh.gif


Added on October 1, 2010, 3:32 amcome to think of it, RH is still unbeaten on all his Euro matches so far.............

a Club record, its a FACT,

see, he made me smile again biggrin.gif

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wah..i nvr wanted him to become liverpool manager!Never! doh.gif

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...to-utrecht-draw

As expected, Roy is MORE THAN SATISFIED to get a draw.
I know we should be patient..and give him more time...but i really don't see how he can steer the club to a better place.
From the start of the season until now, those Rabotnicki games aside, I haven't seen ANY game which we actually played decently. Not even one!!

For the same 0-0 draw, I wouldn't complain if we had some 20 shots on goal or just actually had the desire to win.
But from what i see, the players' attitude are 'if can win, then good la. if cannot win, draw also not bad la.'
It is as if a win has become a bonus for us, even if the opposition is Utrecht. And i think Roy is the reason why the players have this kind of mentality.
I'm losing my faith in Roy. Wanna predict the outcome of the Blackpool game? We should celebrate if we can win 1-0...


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wah..i nvr wanted him to become liverpool manager!Never! doh.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 02:57 AM)
so who u wan out fr Liverpool ?

RH or the Yanks

only one is allowed?
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I want RH out and replaced by King Kenny. I don't know whether Kenny is a right manager but he is the one that can motivate back the team. Seems like now the team motivation is worse than last season. And with Kenny influences, he can do what RB can't do which is to chase out the Yanks.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:22 AM)
Rafa was given 5 good years to make good on the BPL crown and he failed,

RH is only less than 5 mths, so we should be patience ............
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if we played like this *thru-out the whole year & just managed to stay above relegation zone, will you still think he needs more time? (since its only 12months)










*chances are loyal LFC fans will shoot the own head because of the fustration
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 1 2010, 08:19 AM)
if we played like this *thru-out the whole year & just managed to stay above relegation zone, will you still think he needs more time? (since its only 12months)
*chances are loyal LFC fans will shoot the own head because of the fustration
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HE will be sacked even if he dun perform after Jan 2011 rclxms.gif

so if he is sacked, who would you wan to take over fr his hot seat?

Kenny Dalglish ( the famous KOP )

SAF (this guy, nickname "hair dryer" is VERY GOOD at fcuking his players thumbup.gif )

Jose Mourinho ( the SPECIAL one)

Martin Oneil ( soft spoken )




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RH makes me miss him..  sad.gif  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 1 2010, 03:20 AM)

We said Rafa talks a lot in the media...but he only talks to defend the team...unlike roy, he talks a lenghty long time only to lower the fans' expectation and demotivate the team...
So , please tell me... what's so good about roy? I will take RB anyday than RH who is so clueless and sitting comfortably at the chair there, praying to god for miracle to happen...

I would take an emotionless boss who dun celebrate goal but know what his job is rather than one who celebrate a goal but dunno how to do well in his job.Why the hell is sammy doing all the talking and him, sitting comfortably doing nth?
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Actually, I was just saying to a fellow Red yesterday that Uncle Woy's demeanour on the bench is begining to remind me of a well-known local personality .... And it's dead scary ... He's begining to remind me of the former PM, Pak Lah !!!!! Really, half the time now I'm expecting Uncle Woy to catch 40 winks in the middle of a match !!!!

Sorry to go on retro mood again ... but ... I miss seeing Rafa's furtive glances at his watch and his maniacal scribblings !!!!!

Ah well, on to the next match boys ...

As for choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea ... SAF vs Yanks, I'll take the Yanks anytime ...

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i think if we want RH to go. it will be 2 years time. at least he is given some time to prove himself. i remember Rafa also not doing too good in his first managing year in Liverpool. that time we didnt manage to get into the champions league spot but we did WON the champions league.

let's wait and at least see how RH bring the team this year.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:26 AM)
my choice of manager is Jose Molinho thumbup.gif

too bad we dun hav the money to bring him here

second choice is SAF laugh.gif

third choice is Kenny Dalgish icon_idea.gif

now RH is a Clown manager, at least we made me laugh laugh.gif


Added on October 1, 2010, 3:32 amcome to think of it, RH is still unbeaten on all his Euro matches so far.............

a Club record, its a FACT,

see, he made me smile again biggrin.gif
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I can put it longer but I doubt you will read it. So in short, in a polite way, stop being delusional
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so fed up...moment saw line up of Poulsen + Lucas ...went to bed upset...woke up checked internet...expected a draw or defeat (because am not convinced enough chances will be created to score)...

and true enough!

few years i didnt have a siggy....but decided to have one...so fed up with the boring and ineptness of our coach!


Added on October 1, 2010, 9:03 am
QUOTE(PPZ @ Oct 1 2010, 08:40 AM)
i think if we want RH to go. it will be 2 years time. at least he is given some time to prove himself. i remember Rafa also not doing too good in his first managing year in Liverpool. that time we didnt manage to get into the champions league spot but we did WON the champions league.

let's wait and at least see how RH bring the team this year.
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NO WAY Roy will last 2 years if the football continue like this...no way....

Rafa's football in his first season was way better........WAY better!



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if things comes to calmer times (out with yanks & the right owners arrive),

i'm for guus hiddink.

no to saf (never)

no to jose (he wont stick around even for 2 years unless we have owners who has river of bottomless cash)

no to arsene wenger (maybe a change of envionment will do him good but it will take another couple of years (5-7) to see some fruits.

no to King Kenny (as much we all respects him, i'm not sure if he's cut out now in light of todays highly tactical games, not that i doubt him but he's more to lose)

loius van gaal? we'll do well in the continent again but lose out domestically.

maybe no to rafa... (too many fans thinks 5 years is already too much, & no to second chance)
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 1 2010, 03:03 AM)
You just read the headline didn't you? There are no direct quote in that article that mentioned Roy doens't prioritise Europa League. Don't be blinded by Soccernet, they are pro England National Team and Manchester United. THeir journalism tactic is rather low.
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It's on the headline on ESPN webpage.
He did not explicitly deny it. So, I think he consents it.

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 1 2010, 09:16 AM)
if things comes to calmer times (out with yanks & the right owners arrive),

i'm for guus hiddink.

no to saf (never)

no to jose (he wont stick around even for 2 years unless we have owners who has river of bottomless cash)

no to arsene wenger (maybe a change of envionment will do him good but it will take another couple of years (5-7) to see some fruits.

no to King Kenny (as much we all respects him, i'm not sure if he's cut out now in light of todays highly tactical games, not that i doubt him but he's more to lose)

loius van gaal? we'll do well in the continent again but lose out domestically.

maybe no to rafa... (too many fans thinks 5 years is already too much, & no to second chance)
oh maybe ok to have him back, just to piss some fans again, maybe.) cool.gif
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 09:59 AM)
NO WAY Roy will last 2 years if the football continue like this...no way....

Rafa's football in his first season was way better........WAY better!
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but but rafa will only play 4-5-1

now so many here wants him to continue playing 4-4-2 (even if we hoof the ball from defence cause RH thinks we only shd play football midfield up & not from defence.
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anyone remember a moment, last season, when rafa subbed torres to the disbelief of gerrard? i dont think i want that to repeat again. for rafa to return, it will take a lot of convincing. anyone following his progress at inter? whats their situation now?

heck i read somewhere didier deschamps was a serious candidate before RH was appointed.

RH is just clueless. heck at least rafa has visions like making liverpool a feared team etc etc. heck RH nope. feels like just taking up the job
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Oct 1 2010, 03:09 AM)
hogsdson seems dont like to use all availables substitute alyhugh we play badly...same as before
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for me that show that he is lack of ideal... and to my disappointment from what I wrote in the news was RH saying that the draw is a good result doh.gif

Come on I know is not easy to win on the road but to say a draw is a good result is unbelievable as the team he put is not to concede.

Lucas make Poulsen slightly better last night with all his misplacing passing doh.gif
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Lucas pass with such low speed, its too easy to read his pass...

Actually yesterday there are quite many under-performers in Joe Cole, Martin Kelly, Lucas, Carragher (he slipped and out of position a couple of times), and even Reina was shakey and almost let in a goal if not for Meireles. Please get your morale up boys! Gerrard is gonna play this weekend and I hope he lifts up the team...
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Wow, so much condemnation of the manager. I tend to disagree.

I feel that he could have done 2 things better : (1)play Maxi instead of Lucas from the start (2)play Carra at leftback instead of Kelly and Sotirios at CB. That may have made a difference.

Nevertheless, I thought Kuyt played well and Torres should have scored from his assistance in the second half. When a player like Lucas continuously make mistakes, it causes others to become nervous and they in turn make mistakes. I think RH has given Lucas enough opportunities to salvage his career in LFC!

I believe, RH is trying to lift pressure off his players' shoulders because there's just been too much expectations during RB's time. Also, every manager has his own style - we cannot afford a more swashbuckling and charismatic manager, no thanks to the yanks : what to do?

As far as the group is concerned, LFC is still in a strong position. That's all that matters for now.

Cheers guys ... chins up for Blackpool this weekend!


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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 1 2010, 03:20 AM)
We said Rafa talks a lot in the media...but he only talks to defend the team...unlike roy, he talks a lenghty long time only to lower the fans' expectation and demotivate the team...
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Now, fans must satify every draw, as every draw is a good result for Liv. doh.gif

vs Birmingham - draw, good result, as not every team can win against them
vs Sunderland - draw, good result, as it is a tough game
vs Utrecht - draw, good result because it is a tough game.

So we, supporters' expectation from every match is -- draw. doh.gif

So this Sunday, we should expect to draw against Blackpool as well?
Because they are a on form team, so a draw is a good result for Liv?

38 points from the league is the target for the end of season?
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 08:25 AM)
HE will be sacked even if he dun perform after Jan 2011 rclxms.gif

so if he is sacked, who would you wan to take over fr his hot seat?

Kenny Dalglish ( the famous KOP )

SAF (this guy, nickname "hair dryer" is VERY GOOD at fcuking his players thumbup.gif )

Jose Mourinho ( the SPECIAL one)

Martin Oneil ( soft spoken )
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I know im gonna get warned but what f***ing apathy..You proclaim that you've supporting Liverpool for 30++ years, And for a fan that has been supporting a Liverpool for 30 years you'd think they'll be intellectual and rationalize our play better than any fans in here. but man your sad. really f***ing sad. to even have a thought to want that scumbag MANU to manage Liverpool.

I aint gonna bother replying your f***ing apathetic posts anymore . Its a waste of time and hopeless.


QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 1 2010, 10:26 AM)
Wow, so much condemnation of the manager. I tend to disagree.

I feel that he could have done 2 things better : (1)play Maxi instead of Lucas from the start (2)play Carra at leftback instead of Kelly and Sotirios at CB.  That may have made a difference.

Nevertheless, I thought Kuyt played well and Torres should have scored from his assistance in the second half.  When a player like Lucas continuously make mistakes, it causes others to become nervous and they in turn make mistakes.  I think RH has given Lucas enough opportunities to salvage his career in LFC!

I believe, RH is trying to lift pressure off his players' shoulders because there's just been too much expectations during RB's time.  Also, every manager has his own style - we cannot afford a more swashbuckling and charismatic manager, no thanks to the yanks : what to do?

As far as the group is concerned, LFC is still in a strong position. That's all that matters for now.

Cheers guys ... chins up for Blackpool this weekend!
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To put it simply mate.RH isnt good enough. He treats as if we are Fulham. and we are not Fulham. Nevermine the results but would it be too much to ask if we play good football?

If we played good football and we drew or lost, that wouldnt be hard to take since we know we gave it a shot and can look forward to our next match, but im sure you've seen our football, is it something to look forward to everyweek? lifting the pressure? based on his media interview's all I can see is that he's doing he's best to alienate himself from the burdens of expectations by telling that club reserve players arent good enough and Rafa overstaffed num of players, and giving compliments to SAF and teams that we should have thoroughly smashed. Great man manager tactics by RH i must say by demoralizing that morale that has still left in the players by leaving them out and playing them out of position.

I shudder for what is going to happen against Blackpool. Certainly We'll make them look like Barcelona and Roy will come saying that he is happy with a point if its a draw and Blackpool gave them a good fight.



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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 1 2010, 10:26 AM)
Wow, so much condemnation of the manager. I tend to disagree.

I feel that he could have done 2 things better : (1)play Maxi instead of Lucas from the start (2)play Carra at leftback instead of Kelly and Sotirios at CB.  That may have made a difference.

Nevertheless, I thought Kuyt played well and Torres should have scored from his assistance in the second half.  When a player like Lucas continuously make mistakes, it causes others to become nervous and they in turn make mistakes.  I think RH has given Lucas enough opportunities to salvage his career in LFC!

I believe, RH is trying to lift pressure off his players' shoulders because there's just been too much expectations during RB's time.  Also, every manager has his own style - we cannot afford a more swashbuckling and charismatic manager, no thanks to the yanks : what to do?

As far as the group is concerned, LFC is still in a strong position. That's all that matters for now.

Cheers guys ... chins up for Blackpool this weekend!
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It would be REAL disaster if Carra played on the left.
Carra do not have the pace.
Jacob Mulenga on the right could easily outpace Carra. That guy is as big as Carra. He's certainly younger and faster than Carra. He was one of the major threats in the game.

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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:22 AM)
Rafa was given 5 good years to make good on the BPL crown and he failed,

RH is only less than 5 mths, so we should be patience ............
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as far as I know, our defense was good that time and see how the player like Igor Biscan can perform so well on that year,all players know what they need to do , zonal marking on that time save our ass many times from free kick and corners (perhaps we miss Hyppia) but this season I just dont feel safe watching our team deal with set piece or long ball,Meireles + Joe cole still need more time to gel


RH first season - defender play very bad , can see them very kelam kabut especially dealing with set piece , corner , crosses

RB first season - we cant even score a goal that time and our defense are solid , see how we get a DRAW against mighty Juventus at Turin and Chelsea Stamford Bridge , the reason I say this is because I feel our team can conceded more than a goal nowadays


QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 03:26 AM)
my choice of manager is Jose Molinho thumbup.gif

too bad we dun hav the money to bring him here

second choice is SAF laugh.gif

third choice is Kenny Dalgish icon_idea.gif

now RH is a Clown manager, at least we made me laugh laugh.gif


Added on October 1, 2010, 3:32 amcome to think of it, RH is still unbeaten on all his Euro matches so far.............

a Club record, its a FACT,

see, he made me smile again biggrin.gif
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never ever imagine red nose to become our manager , I dun like his celebration and maybe I prefer Rafa style ,cool and wait till the final whistle..anything can happen
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 1 2010, 10:26 AM)
Wow, so much condemnation of the manager. I tend to disagree.

I feel that he could have done 2 things better : (1)play Maxi instead of Lucas from the start (2)play Carra at leftback instead of Kelly and Sotirios at CB.  That may have made a difference.

Nevertheless, I thought Kuyt played well and Torres should have scored from his assistance in the second half.  When a player like Lucas continuously make mistakes, it causes others to become nervous and they in turn make mistakes.  I think RH has given Lucas enough opportunities to salvage his career in LFC!

I believe, RH is trying to lift pressure off his players' shoulders because there's just been too much expectations during RB's time.  Also, every manager has his own style - we cannot afford a more swashbuckling and charismatic manager, no thanks to the yanks : what to do?

As far as the group is concerned, LFC is still in a strong position. That's all that matters for now.

Cheers guys ... chins up for Blackpool this weekend!
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I tot NONE of the players played well including kuyt.
are we watching the same game??
he had so many clueless passes and wasted so many chances in the penalty box. doh.gif
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if we were to change manager again, i will go for martin o'neill...2nd choice would be kenny daglish, 3rd is guus hiddink

now, i deeply regret myself for supporting liverpool to axe rafa...we already play more than 10 matches, i never felt so demotivated watching our team play....sigh wink.gif


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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Oct 1 2010, 11:25 AM)
if we were to change manager again, i will go for martin o'neill...2nd choice would be kenny daglish, 3rd is guus hiddink

now, i deeply regret myself for supporting liverpool to axe rafa...we already play more than 10 matches, i never felt so demotivated watching our team play....sigh    wink.gif
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Feel demotivate when seeing the team play, and even more demotivate when seeing the report or hearing the comment made by the manager.

I am not pro Rafa or not. But when you play badly, please just state your team play badly, that's all. At least Rafa a few occassion did admit the team played badly under him.
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well, despite his shortcomings he did manage to persuade Torres and Gerrard to stay, at least for now, no?
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well, despite his shortcomings he did manage to persuade Torres and Gerrard to stay, at least for now, no?
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I do not think credit should be given to RH. Credit should be given to both Torres and Gerrard.

For example,
Torres could have left EASILY. Clubs like Man City has never stop knocking the door of Torres. Gerard Pique persuaded Torres to join Barcelona too.
Why he stayed? I think it's because of Liverpool instead of RH. He just wants to stay with Liverpool.

RH can't do much if Torres insists to leave, just like Mascherano.
He just can't do a thing because he doesn't have a single token or pedigree for negotiation.

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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 1 2010, 08:28 AM)
no Manuel Pallegrini?
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that's a good shout actually. loved the way his villareal team played, and did manage to push barca to their limit when he handled madrid. a brave manager who's not hesitant to instruct his team to go on the attack, and that may be just what liverpool need. severely underrated after he was unceremoniously sacked by madrid, so not many teams will be clamouring for him. pool will have the upper hand in negotiations if they go for him imo.
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Nice job Yanks! hiring RH has been a successful trick to distract fan attention. Now most of the criticisms going towards the managers' direction... I wonder what's your next trick comes October 6th?
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Oct 1 2010, 11:25 AM)
if we were to change manager again, i will go for martin o'neill...2nd choice would be kenny daglish, 3rd is guus hiddink

now, i deeply regret myself for supporting liverpool to axe rafa...we already play more than 10 matches, i never felt so demotivated watching our team play....sigh    wink.gif
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I personally thought we should stay behind RH until the day he's axed.

However, I have doubts, despite his poor run of results, when he stands in front spewing shits in front of media.
I feel it disgusting.
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 1 2010, 10:26 AM)
Wow, so much condemnation of the manager. I tend to disagree.

I feel that he could have done 2 things better : (1)play Maxi instead of Lucas from the start (2)play Carra at leftback instead of Kelly and Sotirios at CB.  That may have made a difference.

Nevertheless, I thought Kuyt played well and Torres should have scored from his assistance in the second half.  When a player like Lucas continuously make mistakes, it causes others to become nervous and they in turn make mistakes.  I think RH has given Lucas enough opportunities to salvage his career in LFC!

I believe, RH is trying to lift pressure off his players' shoulders because there's just been too much expectations during RB's time.  Also, every manager has his own style - we cannot afford a more swashbuckling and charismatic manager, no thanks to the yanks : what to do?

As far as the group is concerned, LFC is still in a strong position. That's all that matters for now.

Cheers guys ... chins up for Blackpool this weekend!
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Carra at LB is dangerous.. any fast winger will rape that side. This maybe blasphemous for some but Carra should be a backup CB by now.. not first choice anymore.

RH talking some demotivate craps every game is not helping the player lift some burden. It may actually depress them more knowing their manager already has a low expectations even before the game starts. The squad RH inherited is not that bad as most people said.. he did added some quality in Cole, Raul and Jova but the tactics he used is not working and led to this mess. How many games should he take to find his best tactics anyway? He doesn't show any glimpse of progress at all.

I dont believe some are still slagging Rafa. He is MILES better that RH.. Thats a fact. His last season was bad but it's no way to sum up his whole reign at liverpool. He was the one who made the team is feared in Europe again after so many years. Bringing the CL back home was a feat that no crappy manager can do.

And the club paid 6 million pounds to ask RB to leave and install a muppet as a replacement? sigh...
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I kinda agree with aleune (which is in itself surprising laugh.gif) - I don't quite mind semi competent managers that much really, but seeing RH spouting crap to the media is heartbreaking.
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Hodgson was never the popular choice but we didn't have many options. Sven Goran Eriksson was the only one to thrust his hands up like an over eager school kid looking to impress his teacher. Sven however has a less than impressive managerial record after leaving Lazio. I really need to reiterate that fans need to get real and manage their own expectations. Many were over enthusiastic by Hodgson's appointment simply because he took Fulham to last season's Europa Cup final and because they were hard to beat at home. Some even saw his appointment as a fortune changing move but you really need to get a reality check. It is clear as day that Hodgson is a stop gap option. Things are not going to improve under current ownership and he's here to prevent us from sliding down the slippery slope we are on, nothing more. Why do you think he was only given a 2 year contract, instead of 5 live previous managers? Do not expect him to perform miracles.

Ever wonder why managers who do well at midtable sides like Sam Allardyce, Steve McLaren, Alan Curbishley, Roy Hodgson and to an extent Martin O'Neill never end up at the reigns of a big club? This isn't fantasty football and unless you have a deeper understanding of the game and club management, it's logical to assume that a manager whose midtable side over achieves can bring the same level of success to a big club, but it isn't as clear cut. It may be too soon to tell but Hodgson looks a little over his head. He may be adept at getting the best out of your average footballer but it's different dealing with superstars. You need to have a pretty big reputation to earn the respect of star players and have them do what you want them to do. It's probably the first time in his entire career that Hodgson has had to deal with this and at the moment, he certainly looks out of his depth.

With a big side, you also constantly have cameras and microphones shoved in your face. Journalists are cunning little creatures and will pick up on every word you say, often sensationalising them. What you say in front of the camera gets plastered on the front pages in the sports section, and gets screened on major sports channels. Players and fans pick up on this and all you need is to say something wrong e.g."we won't win the title", and you can easily destroy any morale within the team and amongst the fans. Hodgson has to realise that he is no longer at an over achieving club where he could do or say no wrong, and he is now at a club who is constantly in the spotlight.

I have to give Hodgson some credit though. He did make Fulham a tough nut to crack at home but while it's fine to play not to lose when you are the underdog, you cannot adopt the same mentality when you are at a bigger side, and are expected to beat mediocre opposition at home especially. From what I've seen, I just don't know if he has the winning mentality. Even when we go forward, we are still so cautious at the back, reluctant to push our midfield players into advanced positions. While it's acceptable to play route 1 football when you are the weaker side, you cannot do so with the talent we have at our disposal, something Gerard Houllier found out. I share Agger's frustration, I really do. We should be playing the ball on the deck and I really wish that Agger would be given a start ahead of Skrtel but Hodgson seems to have a preference for defenders who adopt the safety first approach by booting the ball aimlessly up the park. We have ample ball players further up the pitch in the likes of Cole, Jovanovic, Gerrard, Torres and Mereiles who are pretty comfortable with the ball at their feet but there is a huge gap between Reina (who incidentally is an excellent ball player for a goalkeeper) and our advanced players. Lucas, Poulsen, Skrtel and Carragher have limited passing range and often either give the ball away or boot it aimlessly up the park. Again, I am not convinced that Hodgson knows how to bring the best out of these players, hence his route 1 approach.

As poorly as we played this morning, I can't say I'm surprised given the way things have been going this season. Forget what happens on the pitch, the overriding issue of ownership needs to be resolved and until then, it's like I said much much earlier, see you on the other side of the storm.

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We still talk bout RB vs RH vs MNO???

Cmon guys, this is our hard time. Nobody is perfect.

If u ask me, I will wait patiently till Liverpool winning days are back to track...regardless with any Manager in charge. But the owner's now, yes pls sink them.
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Midtable mentality, really...

Liverpool boss Hodgson happy to escape with a precious point from Holl hole

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz114y63Hqg
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i cant get it why every time thing went wrong on the pitch people kept blaming the owner for instance,, yes, they did gave huge transfer kitty few seasons back,, this season we all know, we not in the position to buy world class player but even so we have the team to do well and give a fight, but so far that wasnt the case, we just too horrible, for me there's only 1 guy to point the finger at, roy hodgson, he's the 1 who set the team play -ve football..to be honest i dont see us going to get any better if we kept using the same approach.frustrating..
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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Oct 1 2010, 02:35 PM)
i cant get it why every time thing went wrong on the pitch people kept blaming the owner for instance,, yes, they did gave huge transfer kitty few seasons back,, this season we all know, we not in the position to buy world class player but even so we have the team to do well and give a fight, but so far that wasnt the case, we just too horrible, for me there's only 1 guy to point the finger at, roy hodgson, he's the 1 who set the team play -ve football..to be honest i dont see us going to get any better if we kept using the same approach.frustrating..
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i remember distingtively we always sell players to raise funds to buy players bar the first season when torres was budgeted.

we had few world class players offered but we are never in the league to ever purchase (afford really)
compared to our neigbours..



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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Oct 1 2010, 01:35 PM)
i cant get it why every time thing went wrong on the pitch people kept blaming the owner for instance,, yes, they did gave huge transfer kitty few seasons back,, this season we all know, we not in the position to buy world class player but even so we have the team to do well and give a fight, but so far that wasnt the case, we just too horrible, for me there's only 1 guy to point the finger at, roy hodgson, he's the 1 who set the team play -ve football..to be honest i dont see us going to get any better if we kept using the same approach.frustrating..
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i do agree Roy himself seems to be a problem. Even if we get sugar daddy owner and he buys us potent gung-ho attacking players, i doubt Roy knows enough to form a technically superior team.

but then, Liverpool fans are not looking for sugar daddy owners. We are just unhappy income of Liverpool FC are used to service the debts of these Yanks, while the Yanks sit back and wait for an owner to come and buy the club at higher price.....that is unacceptable.

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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Oct 1 2010, 01:35 PM)
i cant get it why every time thing went wrong on the pitch people kept blaming the owner for instance,, yes, they did gave huge transfer kitty few seasons back,, this season we all know, we not in the position to buy world class player but even so we have the team to do well and give a fight, but so far that wasnt the case, we just too horrible, for me there's only 1 guy to point the finger at, roy hodgson, he's the 1 who set the team play -ve football..to be honest i dont see us going to get any better if we kept using the same approach.frustrating..
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Do not confuse my rant for new owners with having a transfer kitty. I do feel that managers should make the best of what we have which is why I was disappointed when Rafa kept asking for more money. I truly believe that we are capable of playing better football with the talent we currently have at our disposal, and that we are playing well below ourselves now hence my rant on Hodgson who I believe is out of his depth, but in all fairness is probably doing the best he can.

New owners will not only inject more cash for transfers but with our debt situation resolved, players can be rest assured we won't do a Leeds and have problems paying their salaries. With new owners, we can finally look and plan for the future beginning with looking to finance a new stadium. Don't limit yourself to thinking that it's all about how much we have to buy players. The whole club's financial health will improve and this in turn, will give players like Gerrard and Torres who chose to remain at the club the reassurance that we are building a team to win titles. Yes some players are content with sitting on the bench just to earn money but some have ambition and when the club doesn't have any, morale is affected.

Once again, new owners doesn't only mean more transfer funds. Look at the bigger picture. The above are just some examples of positive changes that come with the resolution of our situation with the yanks.

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but then, perhaps a dire and bleak situation on the pitch (poor football coupled with results) is the CATALYST needed for both fans and the banks to force the Yanks to sell...

(trying to achieve the mega optimistic level of some forummers here... smile.gif )

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QUOTE(miketee @ Sep 30 2010, 08:09 PM)
Btw guys, to those of you who have Facebook - MyRAWK has shifted from the old Group to its own Facebook Fan Page. Join us there for news and announcements on the club, the ownership situation, match viewings and more. YNWA!
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Just managed to get MyRAWK's own username on the Fan Page, so here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/MyRAWK

Would be awesome if TS can add this to the front page. Cheers!
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Yesterday marked the 29th year since Shankly took his last breath and amidst all the turmoil surrounding the club now, I feel it's apt to take some time out to remember the passing of a truly great man.

Bill Shankly
(2nd September 1913 - 29th September 1981)

GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN.
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Above all, I would like to be remembered as a man who was selfless, who strove and worried so that others could share the glory, and who built up a family of people who could hold their heads up high and say “We’re Liverpool
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Above all, I would like to be remembered as a man who was selfless, who strove and worried so that others could share the glory, and who built up a family of people who could hold their heads up high and say “We’re Liverpool[COLOR=red]
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To address commitment issues with some of the players, I would like to pick out what he said when asked about the "This Is Anfield" plaque along the tunni. "It's to remind the players who they are playing for, and our opponents, who they are playing against".
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Many frustrated supporters have voiced their displeasure at RH. What do some of the 'experts' say? I like Tomkins's summary :

"So, all in all a mixed record – as you’d expect from three decades in the game at clubs of different stature – but enough highlights to suggest he has something. Hodgson is clearly a fine manager. But is he an outstanding one? And can Liverpool currently attract anyone from the top bracket?"

The fact of the matter is that we have not had the sort of start that we had wished for. That does not suddenly make RH a dud. Nor would a brilliant start suddenly make him a superstar.

We've given RB 5 seasons. Let's at least give RH 2.

Given the constraints, who would you hope for RH to line up this weekend. Here's mine :

Reina, Johnson, Carra, Skrtle, Kelly, Kuyt, Gerrard, Mereiles, Cole, Ngog and Torres (subs : Jova, Kryiagkos, Maxi, Pacheco +)
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 1 2010, 02:20 PM)
Many frustrated supporters have voiced their displeasure at RH.  What do some of the 'experts' say? I like Tomkins's summary :

"So, all in all a mixed record – as you’d expect from three decades in the game at clubs of different stature – but enough highlights to suggest he has something. Hodgson is clearly a fine manager. But is he an outstanding one? And can Liverpool currently attract anyone from the top bracket?"

The fact of the matter is that we have not had the sort of start that we had wished for.  That does not suddenly make RH a dud. Nor would a brilliant start suddenly make him a superstar.

We've given RB 5 seasons.  Let's at least give RH 2.

Given the constraints, who would you hope for RH to line up this weekend.  Here's mine :

Reina, Johnson, Carra, Skrtle, Kelly, Kuyt, Gerrard, Mereiles, Cole, Ngog and Torres (subs : Jova, Kryiagkos, Maxi, Pacheco +)
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friend...that quote was from an article written by him in June......BEFORE the season start

Since you like Tomkins, read what he just wrote, after a series of poor results..
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/09/so-whose-fault-is-it/

to me, its a sign that as much as Tomkins was trying to be realistic and welcome Roy with open arms.....the series of poor displays on the field might be getting to him too

2 seasons? no...i dont think i can last another 2 games if this kind of football goes on...

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i cant get it why every time thing went wrong on the pitch people kept blaming the owner
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thankz for pointed out this things, i also want to saying this....

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 1 2010, 01:49 PM)
Once again, new owners doesn't only mean more transfer funds. Look at the bigger picture.
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yep...stability...they can give stability in fund and let the manager do his best on the pitch...
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 02:28 PM)
friend...that quote was from an article written by him in June......BEFORE the season start

Since you  like Tomkins, read what he just wrote, after a series of poor results..
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/09/so-whose-fault-is-it/

to me, its a sign that as much as Tomkins was trying to be realistic and welcome Roy with open arms.....the series of poor displays on the field might be getting to him too

2 seasons? no...i dont think i can last another 2 games if this kind of football goes on...
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Everytime I go to watch the game at mamak/bar, I ended up going home with disappointment... Really, dont say 2 seasons, I cant last watching such disastrous display for even half a season, let alone 2 seasons.

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Cannot challenge the top never mind
Cannot match MU, Chelsea, Arsenal strength and lose matches against them, never mind.
Cannot win against Sunderland, Birmingham, never mind.

The fans just hard to take a team full of international, was outplayed by team like Birmingham, Sunderland, Utrecht, and manager is happy about snatching a draw.

This is not the result disappointed the fans, it is the team consistently outplayed by opponent that make fans morale down across, while manager happy about the match outcome.


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Cannot challenge the top never mind
Cannot match MU, Chelsea, Arsenal strength and lose matches against them, never mind.
Cannot win against Sunderland, Birmingham, never mind.

The fans just hard to take a team full of international, was outplayed by team like Birmingham, Sunderland, Utrecht, and manager is happy about snatching a draw.

This is not the result disappointed the fans, it is the team consistently outplayed by opponent that make fans morale down across, while manager happy about the match outcome.
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this is a time for TRUE fans to keep faith wif the club

i will stand by the decision of the Manager, midtable mentality, this or tat, relagation zone, etc etc........ he too wanted to make good BUT u guys must understand tat sometimes there are things tat he really cannot control, u cant read his mind, u cant sack him ( for damn fcuking sure biggrin.gif )

so the end of the day is either u support him or u desert him, tats easy, no matter of ranting will do good as he, RH wont be able to listen your RANTS

lets walk through this storm wif him

or

go support another team or dun watch soccer anymore

or wat you can do, care to tell?

think lateral man

finally, accept the truth, the fcuking truth...........

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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:07 PM)
this is a time for TRUE fans to keep  faith wif the club

i will stand by the decision of the Manager, midtable mentality, this or tat, relagation zone, etc etc........ he too wanted to make good BUT u guys must understand tat sometimes there are things tat he really cannot control, u cant read his mind, u cant sack him ( for damn fcuking sure biggrin.gif )

so the end of the day is either u support him or u desert him, tats easy, no matter of ranting will do good as he, RH wont be able to listen your RANTS

lets walk through this storm wif him

or

go support another team or dun watch soccer anymore

or wat you can do, care to tell?

think lateral man

finally, accept the truth, the fcuking truth...........

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STAND BY THE MANAGER??? I know there's no point crying over spilled milk but this is getting ridiculous. First bashing of RB when he was here and applaud the decision of hiring RH, I agree to that since RB didn't do well last season. Then the blind backing up on a clueless manager. Now you are telling me about standing by the decision of the manager?

TELLING US TO SUPPORT ANOTHER TEAM? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT?

Finally feck off!
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STAND BY THE MANAGER??? I know there's no point crying over spilled milk but this is getting ridiculous. First bashing of RB when he was here and applaud the decision of hiring RH, I agree to that since RB didn't do well last season. Then the blind backing up on a clueless manager. Now you are telling me about standing by the decision of the manager?

TELLING US TO SUPPORT ANOTHER TEAM? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT?

Finally feck off!
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because RB was given 5 years and he FAILED

RH is less than 5 months into his transformation

bro, cool down, its bad to your health
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:20 PM)
because RB was given 5 years and he FAILED

RH is less than 5 months into his transformation

bro, cool down, its bad to your health
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5 years and he won us the Champions League, which GH didn't even come close to winning it. He gave the scums a fight for the title, very close fight would have won if not for a kid name Macheda. He gave us another Champions League Final, which GH didn't even achieve it. He gave us one FA Cup in his 2nd year. He brought us world class mentality, he brought us honour, made us fearful in Europe.

Last season, Torres was out for most of the time, Aquilani was an injury prone buy, Gerrard was not at his best as well, not forgetting a series of bad luck. I would have given him another season and so would most seniors here, but you my friend have been delusional, despite of how Roy Hodgson is screwing the team, no substitution, vulnerable, making lower league teams look like Barcelona.

I was stuck with GH, I wanted him to stay but until RB was appointed, which brought us great memories too. I have never been this disappointed with our own gaffer.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:07 PM)
this is a time for TRUE fans to keep  faith wif the club

i will stand by the decision of the Manager, midtable mentality, this or tat, relagation zone, etc etc........ he too wanted to make good BUT u guys must understand tat sometimes there are things tat he really cannot control, u cant read his mind, u cant sack him ( for damn fcuking sure biggrin.gif )

so the end of the day is either u support him or u desert him, tats easy, no matter of ranting will do good as he, RH wont be able to listen your RANTS

lets walk through this storm wif him

or

go support another team or dun watch soccer anymore

or wat you can do, care to tell?

think lateral man

finally, accept the truth, the fcuking truth...........

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i think there no need for those four letter words and then followed by the icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif sign.

1. WHO are you to judge who are the TRUE fans?

2. WHO are you to tell me to go and support another team? not to watch soccer anymore?

3. you ask me to to stand for the manager/dont call for his sacking because .......there are things he cannot control and that i cannot read his mind.....wow......really?

Accept what truth? that we fans cannot HOPE, cannot ASK for progress at this point?

by the way, you ask us to walk through the storm. The full version of that glorious anthem states `walk on with hope in your heart'. Your definition of hope is to hope things will be better under RH. Our definition of hope is that if RH is not the man, its time to change to another man in charge.

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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:20 PM)
because RB was given 5 years and he FAILED

RH is less than 5 months into his transformation

bro, cool down, its bad to your health
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what happen if RH still stuck with his football style and we were at relegation zone...let say in March we are going to League Championship? will we still backing our manager? Liverpool is not only backing up their manager..it also to take care of their history as a great club, great fans, and great style of playing football.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 1 2010, 04:32 PM)
what happen if RH still stuck with his football style and we were at relegation zone...let say in March we are going to League Championship? will we still backing our manager? Liverpool is not only backing up their manager..it also to take care of their history as a great club, great fans, and great style of playing football.
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we will see then


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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:40 PM)
let say in March we are going to League Championship? will we still backing our manager?

we will see then
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fixed
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yeah, tat is........

mark tat and we will see by then

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Is digilife a closet Manu supporter?

Honest question, I haven't seen so many forumers here so antagonize by him bar trollers from the devil.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 1 2010, 04:51 PM)
Is digilife a closet Manu supporter?

Honest question, I haven't seen so many forumers here so antagonize by him bar trollers from the devil.
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nope, i damn fcuking hate ManU, u can chk back all my postings

ManU in my most hated club in the world


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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 03:28 PM)
friend...that quote was from an article written by him in June......BEFORE the season start

Since you  like Tomkins, read what he just wrote, after a series of poor results..
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/09/so-whose-fault-is-it/

to me, its a sign that as much as Tomkins was trying to be realistic and welcome Roy with open arms.....the series of poor displays on the field might be getting to him too

2 seasons? no...i dont think i can last another 2 games if this kind of football goes on...
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Some forumers here WON'T understand what tomkins is trying to analyze.


Didn't u know it's all the fat Spanish managers fault we have such owners. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Oct 1 2010, 11:34 AM)
well, despite his shortcomings he did manage to persuade Torres and Gerrard to stay, at least for now, no?
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credit should be given to supporters and fan and I think some of Roy signing did make Torres think to stay .eg ;Joe Cole

QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Oct 1 2010, 12:13 PM)
We still talk bout RB vs RH vs MNO???

Cmon guys, this is our hard time. Nobody is perfect.

If u ask me, I will wait patiently till Liverpool winning days are back to track...regardless with any Manager in charge. But the owner's now, yes pls sink them.
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I will rather say we are discussing RB tactics vs RH tactics

QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Oct 1 2010, 01:35 PM)
i cant get it why every time thing went wrong on the pitch people kept blaming the owner for instance,, yes, they did gave huge transfer kitty few seasons back,, this season we all know, we not in the position to buy world class player but even so we have the team to do well and give a fight, but so far that wasnt the case, we just too horrible, for me there's only 1 guy to point the finger at, roy hodgson, he's the 1 who set the team play -ve football..to be honest i dont see us going to get any better if we kept using the same approach.frustrating..
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owner should be blame becoz they are the root of our problem now , sell mascherano = meireles + poulsen?? where is the fund?

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 1 2010, 02:50 PM)
Everytime I go to watch the game at mamak/bar, I ended up going home with disappointment... Really, dont say 2 seasons, I cant last watching such disastrous display for even half a season, let alone 2 seasons.
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same and I walk home with my MU fans , terrible mood everytime , just have to keep quiet so they wont dare taunt me sad.gif

QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:07 PM)
this is a time for TRUE fans to keep  faith wif the club

i will stand by the decision of the Manager, midtable mentality, this or tat, relagation zone, etc etc........ he too wanted to make good BUT u guys must understand tat sometimes there are things tat he really cannot control, u cant read his mind, u cant sack him ( for damn fcuking sure biggrin.gif )

so the end of the day is either u support him or u desert him, tats easy, no matter of ranting will do good as he, RH wont be able to listen your RANTS

lets walk through this storm wif him

or

go support another team or dun watch soccer anymore

or wat you can do, care to tell?

think lateral man

finally, accept the truth, the fcuking truth...........

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we critise RH way in playing matches just because we love Liverpool Football Club, you cant say if I dont like I just go support other team.We are here just to voice up our opinion and so far RH didnt reach my expectation -

lose to M.City ( acceptable since we playing away and that just Roy first few matches)
Win against W.Brom (I am happy our team win but I think West Brom deserve a point from the way they played)
lose to M.U (one penalty and one free kick are our highlight on that day)
Sunderland (we only started play football for about 30 minutes from 90 minutes)
Urtrecht (we are lucky to get a draw and it is unlucky for Urtrecht to not get a win)


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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:56 PM)
nope, i damn fcuking hate ManU, u can chk back all my postings

ManU in my most hated club in the world
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I know you love LFC but sometimes when something is wrong we could just voice out and make the things right , no point defend while the case getting worse

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 1 2010, 04:58 PM)
Some forumers here WON'T understand what tomkins is trying to analyze.
Didn't u know it's all the fat Spanish managers fault we have such owners. whistling.gif
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really? says who?
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The thing is everyone is saying that the issue is with the owners. Absolutely i agree. Those yanks need to get out, but getting rid of the yanks doenst necessarily guarantee that we'll be back to our all conquering, swashbuckling type of football wont we?

and what makes you think that when the new owners come in our performances drastically improves? No one knows that for sure. I believe he's been signed to a two year deal. I don't understand what makes people think out team's performance is going to improve as soon as the new owners come in. IF there is one.

That thought is flawed.

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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:20 PM)
because RB was given 5 years and he FAILED

RH is less than 5 months into his transformation

bro, cool down, its bad to your health
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how u define FAILED? by not winning the PL??? did u know the whiskey nose didn't won shit for the first 6 years..

RB have to sell to buy new players.. that's what cost him making a very big mistake when he tried to sell of alonso to juve so he can buy barry. everything went downhill from there.

this is a quote from RH in the dailymail

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"'I thought they crossing was very good and I think you could quite easily see today why Utrecht have such a good home record. 

'It would have been unfortunate for them had we won the game tonight, I think Utrecht would have felt hard done by.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz1164ZFoYS
Can you explain what kind of manager saying this kind of crap?

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really? says who?
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just noticed something in your signature. Nice quote by the way.

Bill Shankly vs Slur
Shankly: I was interested in only one thing, success for the club. And that meant success for the people. I wanted results for the club, for the love of the game, to make the people happy
Slur: I just want to knock Liverpool off their perch

Sorry need to make some amendments to it
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Oct 1 2010, 05:17 PM)
just noticed something in your signature. Nice quote by the way.

Bill Shankly vs Slur
Shankly: I was interested in only one thing, success for the club. And that meant success for the people. I wanted results for the club, for the love of the game, to make the people happy
Slur: I just want to knock Liverpool off their perch

Sorry need to make some amendments to it
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hahaha...i got even nastier labels than slur....and i am sure you have too...

but we wont want them go crying to mods to ask them to delete it...
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hahaha...i got even nastier labels than slur....and i am sure you have too...

but we wont want them go crying to mods to ask them to delete it...
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, Understood mate....
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 05:19 PM)
hahaha...i got even nastier labels than slur....and i am sure you have too...

but we wont want them go crying to mods to ask them to delete it...
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Talk about double standards aye? "they" can call our ex manager a Fat Spanish Waiter and what not and get away with it while any name calling by us of their current manager will derive to our posts being deleted by the mods laugh.gif

Some people just need to grow a pair laugh.gif
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Oct 1 2010, 05:16 PM)
The thing is everyone is saying that the issue is with the owners. Absolutely i agree. Those yanks need to get out, but getting rid of the yanks doenst necessarily guarantee that we'll be back to our all conquering, swashbuckling type of football wont we?

and what makes you think that  when the new owners come in our performs drastically improves?  No one knows that for sure. I believe he's been signed to a two year deal. I don't understand what makes people think out team's performance is going to  improve as soon as the new owners come in. IF there is one.

That thought is flawed.
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No, a Sheikh or a Chinese tycoon or Indian billionaire wont AUTOMATICALLY bring in good football...Its NOT an overnight thing.

but...on long term basis, a good owner can bring these attributes

1. moral of players may improve. sense of security may comes in. Yes, we can blame these superstars of being childish and demand that even at this stage, at 50k and above a week, they should be performing. But the fact is they are not.

2. new owners maybe more willing to spend to get rid of RH and go for a better manager. One frightening thought now is what if RH continues to drag us downhill with poor football, and all these while the 2 Yanks just cant afford to get rid of him? and they prefer to see the club go down just to guard their pockets? I feel the potential of a new manager coming in to replace RH (if he doesnt improve) is better with new owners.


3. long term, equip the squad with better players than Poulsen, etc (which will of course be more expensive).

To me, the key is to stay competitive and be ready to bid for good players when they are available. I mentioned it before, we cannot total up how much a manager spent on players throughout a period of 5-10 years because it is not a complete story. The key is which manager always have cash ready to spend WHEN needed and WHEN other clubs are competing to buy the same player.

What is important is that when the club sent out scouts, there will be a time when a real gem is unearthed. But most probably, other clubs are hunting the same player. That will be the time when the club has to be competitive- enough cash to splash out.

I am not comfortable with the Madrid or ManCity style of spending huge amount on Robinho, Huntelaar, Sneidjer, Abedayor, etc......(although its very exciting). they practically flaunt their wealth to buy any mega name that is willing to come (it can be good for business, jersey income, etc) though.

But the key is to stay competitive.
In this sense, i do respect SLUR has achieved with MU's board..

He knew he needed to replace his aging defence, and he splashed on Stam, then Rio, then Vidic. All these players brought success.
He knew he needed to grab Rooney from Everton to replace Cole, York, etc. He went for it
He saw CR, demanded for it and he immediately got the cash to buy.

In short, i dont want new owners to spend recklessly and collect galaticos. but i would like owners who make Liverpool competitive, by having the cash to spend on a good player when its needed.

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this is a quote from RH in the dailymail
Can you explain what kind of manager saying this kind of crap?
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 05:25 PM)
No, a Sheikh or a Chinese tycoon or Indian billionaire wont AUTOMATICALLY bring in good football...Its NOT an overnight thing.

but...on long term basis, a good owner can bring these attributes

1.  moral of players may improve.  sense of security may comes in.  Yes, we can blame these superstars of being childish and demand that even at this stage, at 50k and above a week, they should be performing.  But the fact is they are not.

2.  new owners maybe more willing to spend to get rid of RH and go for a better manager.  One frightening thought now is what if RH continues to drag us downhill with poor football, and all these while the 2 Yanks just cant afford to get rid of him? and they prefer to see the club go down just to guard their pockets? I feel the potential of a new manager coming in to replace RH (if he doesnt improve) is better with new owners. 
3.  long term, equip the squad with better players than Poulsen, etc (which will of course be more expensive). 

To me, the key is to stay competitive and be ready to bid for good players when they are available.  I mentioned it before, we cannot total up how much a manager spent on players throughout a period of 5-10 years because it is not a complete story. The key is which manager always have cash ready to spend WHEN needed and WHEN other clubs are competing to buy the same player. 

What is important is that when the club sent out scouts, there will be a time when a real gem is unearthed.  But most probably, other clubs are hunting the same player.  That will be the time when the club has to be competitive- enough cash to splash out. 

I am not comfortable with the Madrid or ManCity style of spending huge amount on Robinho, Huntelaar, Sneidjer, Abedayor, etc......(although its very exciting).  they practically flaunt their wealth to buy any mega name that is willing to come (it can be good for business, jersey income, etc) though. 

But the key is to stay competitive.
  In this sense, i do respect SLUR has achieved with MU's board..

He knew he needed to replace his aging defence, and he splashed on Stam, then Rio, then Vidic.  All these players brought success.
He knew he needed to grab Rooney from Everton to replace Cole, York, etc.  He went for it
He saw CR, demanded for it and he immediately got the cash to buy. 

In short, i dont want new owners to spend recklessly and collect galaticos.  but i would like owners who make Liverpool competitive, by having the cash to spend on a good player when its needed.
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What irks me is that the thought that the new owners might be sticking wit RH for the next 2 years and judging from what we've seen ...It'll be 2 years of mediocre football.

Good football, pleasing to watch isnt alot to ask for isnt it?

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well i was born close to 1990. so didnt know how well we were back in the late 80s n watching barnes makes me wonder, if we ever had a winger close to his calibre for the past decade, anyone ?
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the debates between you guys really tickles me.

for goodness sake leave digilife with his right to speak up.
in a gloomy period like this, he is like a spot of sunlight to spark some optimism.

Reality or not, it is individual's view which makes us all different.

We all support LFC and this is a FACT.
Why wana fight among each other over something that will make least significance?
Even if you win over the other, what will you get? Being labeled keyboard warrior?

Get a life! We come around this thread to share views.
like it then complements it, don't like it then criticize politely.
same goes to mine.

anyway, am hoping for the best to come.
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QUOTE(cheez @ Oct 1 2010, 05:58 PM)
the debates between you guys really tickles me.

for goodness sake leave digilife with his right to speak up.
in a gloomy period like this, he is like a spot of sunlight to spark some optimism.

Reality or not, it is individual's view which makes us all different.

We all support LFC and this is a FACT.
Why wana fight among each other over something that will make least significance?
Even if you win over the other, what will you get? Being labeled keyboard warrior?

Get a life! We come around this thread to share views.
like it then complements it, don't like it then criticize politely.
same goes to mine.

anyway, am hoping for the best to come.
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ehem (criticizing politely)

braderr....take a look at chronology of postings first.......in fact some of us praised his optimism...
some of us may not agree with his optimisms..but i think we can accept he is different...in a unique way...

but dont la end up labeling non-optimistic people as fickle fans and ask them to go support other clubs...

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QUOTE(cheez @ Oct 1 2010, 05:58 PM)
the debates between you guys really tickles me.

for goodness sake leave digilife with his right to speak up.
in a gloomy period like this, he is like a spot of sunlight to spark some optimism.

Reality or not, it is individual's view which makes us all different.

We all support LFC and this is a FACT.
Why wana fight among each other over something that will make least significance?
Even if you win over the other, what will you get? Being labeled keyboard warrior?

Get a life! We come around this thread to share views.
like it then complements it, don't like it then criticize politely.
same goes to mine.

anyway, am hoping for the best to come.
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Yup i agree.Lets get Ferguson to manage Liverpool instead of RH.
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Oct 1 2010, 06:07 PM)
Yup i agree.Lets get Ferguson to manage Liverpool instead of RH.
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but...but...who's perch is he going to knock then?
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but...but...who's perch is he going to knock then?
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 06:09 PM)
but...but...who's perch is he going to knock then?
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Oh yeah. Let's apply the RH school of thought since he evangelizes the low expectations statements.... probably we'll aim at MU's unparalled success in the FA or Carling Cup

Start small first aye?

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Owen set for sensational Liverpool return?

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Michael Owen could be set for a sensational return to Liverpool, according to reports on Friday.

Kop boss Roy Hodgson is keen to beef up his attacking options and is rumoured to be considering a January move for Owen.

The former Reds striker is struggling to get first team action at Manchester United, and was overlooked for their Champions League tie at Valencia despite netting in United's previous two games at Scunthorpe and Bolton.

His contract is up at the end of the season and Hodgson may be able to get him for as little as £4m.

Source: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liver...icle592359.html
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 06:06 PM)
ehem (criticizing politely)

braderr....take a look at chronology of postings first.......in fact some of us praised his optimism...
some of us may not agree with his optimisms..but i think we can accept he is different...in a unique way...

but dont la end up labeling non-optimistic people as fickle fans and ask them to go support other clubs...
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he's showing some sense of frustration on you all instead. laugh.gif
not so optimistic? tongue.gif

QUOTE(triple02 @ Oct 1 2010, 06:07 PM)
Yup i agree.Lets get Ferguson to manage Liverpool instead of RH.
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what does it got to do with ferguson? laugh.gif
i din see him got any relations with 'best'. laugh.gif


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that's alot! what are the media trying to do now? hmm.gif shakehead.gif

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Good...More free transfer/out of contract players to join us... Brilliant!
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QUOTE(cheez @ Oct 1 2010, 06:21 PM)

i was hoping for the best to come.
what does it got to do with ferguson? laugh.gif
i din see him got any relations with 'best'.  laugh.gif

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that guy that you were sticking up for was wanting Ferguson to replace RH at Liverpool.

Very optimistic i must say......


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on serious matter, its time to play babel n jova on the wings n see how things turn out.
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Oct 1 2010, 05:52 PM)
well i was born close to 1990. so didnt know how well we were back in the late 80s n watching barnes makes me wonder, if we ever had a winger close to his calibre for the past decade, anyone ?
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John Barnes, just watch highlight/review...miss the through pass done by him...

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 1 2010, 06:28 PM)
Good...More free transfer/out of contract players to join us... Brilliant!
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 1 2010, 07:11 PM)
rclxms.gif a lot meaning in this post...
John Barnes, just watch highlight/review...miss the through pass done by him...
heheh... icon_idea.gif  vmad.gif
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if you have a chance...google for players like
Ronnie Whelan
Ray Houghton

very underrated players...but with them manning our midfield....Liverpool then was like a well-oiled machine....

now maybe some of you can undestand why i never believe in a Poulsen-Lukas midfield...

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well i was born close to 1990. so didnt know how well we were back in the late 80s n watching barnes makes me wonder, if we ever had a winger close to his calibre for the past decade, anyone ?
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Yup we did, just google up Antonio Nunez or Harry Kewell smile.gif
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This is why i never liked the idea of sacking Rafa under the current regime. Not because im a blinded Rafa loyalist but i just dont trust the board to make any logical football decisions.

In the midst of all this bs, LFC has once again retained its tradition of making baffling football decisions. We paid Rafa to leave to join the reign Italian and European Champion. In his place, we recruited RH - an aging journeyman manager whose tactics are ancient and for someone touted to be a media charmer, he has done a superb job of making himself and the club look so pathetic and small time.

Im all for giving the manager time and support to acclimatize and get his stuff together. Like when Houllier and Rafa first arrived, i said to myself, they will need time to adjust. But Roy isnt a foreign coach. He is English and he is supposed to know the game. There was no language barrier, no tradition to learn, no weird customs or weather to adjusts to. He is supposed to know and understand what we are about. Rafa came and knew what we were about right away. In fact, he reinstated our pride that was missing for good 2 decades! It was almost instinctively for him. But i cant say the same for RH.

With every passing of his interviews he just seem more and more the opposite to what we are about. His defeatist comments is not going to do him any favor. Fans are frustrated with the type of football we are playing - nevermind the results, but his comments after games just switch those frustration and into anger. People want to see leadership and expect some sort of resilience from the manager (especially now when we have absolutely no one in the club that we can rely or trust upon), but instead they get a modest defeatist respond from the manager.

I dont want to even get into his style of football at the moment. But at this rate, i fear for the worst. For the first time in a long time, im not looking forward to January transfer window.
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 01:44 PM)
i do agree Roy himself seems to be a problem.  Even if we get sugar daddy owner and he buys us potent gung-ho attacking players, i doubt Roy knows enough to form a technically superior team. 

but then, Liverpool fans are not looking for sugar daddy owners.  We are just unhappy income of Liverpool FC are used to service the debts of these Yanks, while the Yanks sit back and wait for an owner to come and buy the club at higher price.....that is unacceptable.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 1 2010, 01:49 PM)
Do not confuse my rant for new owners with having a transfer kitty. I do feel that managers should make the best of what we have which is why I was disappointed when Rafa kept asking for more money. I truly believe that we are capable of playing better football with the talent we currently have at our disposal, and that we are playing well below ourselves now hence my rant on Hodgson who I believe is out of his depth, but in all fairness is probably doing the best he can.

New owners will not only inject more cash for transfers but with our debt situation resolved, players can be rest assured we won't do a Leeds and have problems paying their salaries. With new owners, we can finally look and plan for the future beginning with looking to finance a new stadium. Don't limit yourself to thinking that it's all about how much we have to buy players. The whole club's financial health will improve and this in turn, will give players like Gerrard and Torres who chose to remain at the club the reassurance that we are building a team to win titles. Yes some players are content with sitting on the bench just to earn money but some have ambition and when the club doesn't have any, morale is affected.

Once again, new owners doesn't only mean more transfer funds. Look at the bigger picture. The above are just some examples of positive changes that come with the resolution of our situation with the yanks.
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i understand where u try to point out,, the yanks were a big burden to liverpool club, for the sake of long run and the future, new owner definitely needed and i agreed,,but this new owner thing already had been more than a years also, nothing change, perhaps nothing will for this season ,, but what im really frustrated n worried about now is what happen on the pitch, the team performance, its just absolutely ridiculous awful by their standards,, i really surprise rh didnt get any serious flame from the media and the management maybe because he's an englishman?..

if we play good football, well penetrate passing football the least, even we been defeated and conceded, at least we know that the team were trying and it something that can be fix in the duration of the season, just need to tweet here and there, for the next match we are good to give another fight..but what happened now totally opposite, the performance obviously on the descent slope, midf kept passed the ball back to the defenders to scoop it away, no wonder the defenders always under immense of pressure because the ball keeps coming back to them, gerrard and torres seems to lost direction, i can go on and on and on what went wrong which making me serious doubt right now, is RH the man for the job?,,still early to say he's not, but should we wait for the inevitable failure then react or what?






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QUOTE(triple02 @ Oct 1 2010, 07:25 PM)
Yup we did, just google up Antonio Nunez or Harry Kewell  smile.gif
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enough with the sarcasm already ? i'm asking an honest answer and this is the reply ?
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glen got a competitor yo ..
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ansfers&cc=4716

'Kuyt sees future in strike partnership with Torres' - soccernet
love to see this pairing upfront 442
with cole on right jova left gerrard raul in middle .. cool

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QUOTE(mamet @ Oct 1 2010, 08:28 PM)
glen got a competitor yo ..
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ansfers&cc=4716

'Kuyt sees future in strike partnership with Torres' - soccernet
love to see this pairing upfront 442
with cole on right jova left gerrard raul in middle .. cool
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enough with the sarcasm already ? i'm asking an honest answer and this is the reply ?
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QUOTE(mamet @ Oct 1 2010, 08:28 PM)
glen got a competitor yo ..
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ansfers&cc=4716

'Kuyt sees future in strike partnership with Torres' - soccernet
love to see this pairing upfront 442
with cole on right jova left gerrard raul in middle .. cool
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But I don't really see future with Kuyt partnering Torres to be honest.
I'd prefer Ngog anytime. At least he can fend off defenders and make space and once in a while give quality passes to Torres.
Kuyt? shakehead.gif
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can i know why would michael owen left liv last time??? izit becoz some arguments with board?

and also robbie fowler...why did fowler left liverpool?

they are both good players who're still playing.
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QUOTE(cheez @ Oct 1 2010, 05:58 PM)
the debates between you guys really tickles me.

for goodness sake leave digilife with his right to speak up.
in a gloomy period like this, he is like a spot of sunlight to spark some optimism.

Reality or not, it is individual's view which makes us all different.

We all support LFC and this is a FACT.
Why wana fight among each other over something that will make least significance?
Even if you win over the other, what will you get? Being labeled keyboard warrior?

Get a life! We come around this thread to share views.
like it then complements it, don't like it then criticize politely.
same goes to mine.

anyway, am hoping for the best to come.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 1 2010, 04:07 PM)

...so the end of the day is either u support him or u desert him, tats easy, no matter of ranting will do good as he, RH wont be able to listen your RANTS

lets walk through this storm wif him

or

go support another team or dun watch soccer anymore...


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I absolutely hate it when people tell me to do this. So, in my books, you can stuff your lateral thinking up your arse and F U C K OFF!!! vmad.gif

Apologies to the rest for losing my temper. However I will stand up and say that I have always been in the anti-Rafa camp, and that he did indeed fail to deliver on his promises - twice, which meant that he had to go.

As for RH, despite his initial success (or should we call it a semi successful charm offensive), unfortunately seems somewhat clueless at the moment. Methinks he is trying too hard to please everyone - except the players and the majority of the supporters doh.gif Definitely not the 'steady caretaker' that we were all hoping for.

If anything, the refinancing deadline is just round the corner - let's see what happens and hope for the best shall we? wink.gif

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We have a good squad of players. I would say an international players team. Why are we struggle against lower team? Give me a reason?
We want a team with direction and good football. I would be happy if we are like Arsenal playing good game in and out although not winning anything in the past season. But I don't see the fans bashing Wegener asking him to go.
So here, I think most of us not bcoz we are wining anything but bcoz the image of our squad during the play. We don't carry an identity of strong team and good playing. We are like yoyo, maybe worst than yoyo. A yoyo which can't goes up when going down.
I agree that RH not a foreign coach. He had experience with EPL.
I don't agree we don't have money to challenge when we struggle against team like Stoke, Sunderland etc, what reason u want to give?
Last few season we saying no money for quality players, fine bcoz we are chalenging at top. Now with such squad where we strugle at mid table, what you want to say?

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QUOTE(liez @ Oct 1 2010, 08:40 PM)
can i know why would michael owen left liv last time??? izit becoz some arguments with board?

and also robbie fowler...why did fowler left liverpool?

they are both good players who're still playing.
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for Robbie, i think its he cannot get along with Phil Thommo and also Houllier. In addition, his playing chances somehow limited by Heskey and Owen...was devastated when he signed for Leeds...but turned out he didnt had much success there....

Owen? too many theories....the temptation of Madrid is probably the biggest factor...also, maybe Rafa didnt really appeal to him....or maybe Rafa himself didnt really persuade him to stay....probably wanted to cash in to build his own strikeforce...
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For Owen, case. Would it be David Beckham influence? He was there so called the galatics RM. But Owen went there more as back up player. I would say he make the wrong choice.
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actually what is the real problem for us when we got a class n quality players but yet failed to penetrate opponents defend?
we got Cole n Kuyt who can dribble n holding ball well, we got meireles who got accuracy in ball pass.. but we end up clueless when come to opponents' defence area... hmm...

or can i say the real problem is came from our central midfield???

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QUOTE(azrulkamal240 @ Oct 2 2010, 12:16 AM)
actually what is the real problem for us when we got a class n quality players but yet failed to penetrate opponents defend?
we got Cole n Kuyt who can dribble n holding ball well, we got meireles who got accuracy in ball pass.. but we end up clueless when come to opponents' defence area... hmm...

or can i say the real problem is came from our central midfield???
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the most basic thing that we lack is...off the ball movement!!...juz look at chelsea,arsenal etc...when their midfield holding the ball,other players kept on moving to empty space in order to receive the ball...when your team mate were static,u cant do anything except for short pass to closest player.. i'd noticed this weakness since GH days....if arsenal or chel players got 9/10 for their off the ball movement...i only can give 5/10 to our team...yup its that poor!!






our backroom staff has to teach them what is pass & move is all about!!! shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ Oct 2 2010, 12:37 AM)
the most basic thing that we lack is...off the ball movement!!...juz look at chelsea,arsenal etc...when their midfield holding the ball,other players kept on moving to empty space in order to receive the ball...when your team mate were static,u cant do anything except for short pass to closest player.. i'd noticed this weakness since GH days....if arsenal or chel players got 9/10 for their off the ball movement...i only can give 5/10 to our team...yup its that poor!!
our backroom staff has to teach them what is pass & move is all about!!! shakehead.gif
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me think this weakness started since the departure of Masch & Alonso,
means we lack of creativity in midfield since LAST SEASON!!!

it became worse since Masch left us, i dun know what u guys think about it,
although i hate it when masch was impolitely left us, but i really feel his absency... really...OMG... sad.gif
Dun u guys feel that?

Poulsen did nothing but only playing around in his own box..
Lucas always loose his ball control n keep doing the same mistake (mis-passing ball to opponent)... vmad.gif

now in my head i only think of Jay Spearing is the best candidate atm to fill in masch place as a DM,
then let Gerrard n Meireles conquer the midfield without any inferiority....
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 1 2010, 11:17 PM)
for Robbie, i think its he cannot get along with Phil Thommo and also Houllier.  In addition, his playing chances somehow limited by Heskey and Owen...was devastated when he signed for Leeds...but turned out he didnt had much success there....

Owen? too many theories....the temptation of Madrid is probably the biggest factor...also, maybe Rafa didnt really appeal to him....or maybe Rafa himself didnt really persuade him to stay....probably wanted to cash in to build his own strikeforce...
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QUOTE(azrulkamal240 @ Oct 2 2010, 12:16 AM)
actually what is the real problem for us when we got a class n quality players but yet failed to penetrate opponents defend?
we got Cole n Kuyt who can dribble n holding ball well, we got meireles who got accuracy in ball pass.. but we end up clueless when come to opponents' defence area... hmm...

or can i say the real problem is came from our central midfield???
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we lost a Maestro in tat department, Lucas and Poulsen is not up to standard,
if Gerrard + Meireles can help, i guess RH should try tat combo, Infact Gerrard played very good in tat position for England

I dun understand why our passing is SO bad, no pin point, we always pass the ball to our opponent, which inturn helps them to attack us right away.

Torres, sometimes hav to come down to get the ball himself which by then he would be been tackle by our opponent ady.

We need someone to pass the ball accurately, let it be from the flanks or central, long balls, Torres is most lethal when he gets the long ball and start running b4 the defender managed to get to him.

Why RH din try Sparing instead of Poulsen doh.gif

WE actually hav a Good Team, Juz tat CONFIDENCE is lacking. Another reason is tat RH dare not to try our "second eleven" more, like Pacheco, Sparing,Kelly, Eccolstone , David Amoo, Jonjo Shelvy.




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QUOTE(triple02 @ Oct 1 2010, 05:16 PM)
The thing is everyone is saying that the issue is with the owners. Absolutely i agree. Those yanks need to get out, but getting rid of the yanks doenst necessarily guarantee that we'll be back to our all conquering, swashbuckling type of football wont we?

and what makes you think that  when the new owners come in our performances drastically improves?  No one knows that for sure. I believe he's been signed to a two year deal. I don't understand what makes people think out team's performance is going to  improve as soon as the new owners come in. IF there is one.

That thought is flawed.
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QUOTE(cheez @ Oct 1 2010, 05:58 PM)
the debates between you guys really tickles me.

for goodness sake leave digilife with his right to speak up.
in a gloomy period like this, he is like a spot of sunlight to spark some optimism.

Reality or not, it is individual's view which makes us all different.

We all support LFC and this is a FACT.
Why wana fight among each other over something that will make least significance?
Even if you win over the other, what will you get? Being labeled keyboard warrior?

Get a life! We come around this thread to share views.
like it then complements it, don't like it then criticize politely.
same goes to mine.

anyway, am hoping for the best to come.
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Firstly let me reassure you that I have a very active life.

Secondly let me tell you what I think of your boyfriend. I've held my tongue for a long time now trying to be patient but his blind faith has really annoyed me to no end. He can't back up any of his statements with fact or even reasonable logic. He keeps predicting victories over teams reminding us to mark his words, with no apparent reason. At the very least he could show that his words aren't hollow. I myself have stated several reasons why there is cause for concern beginning with my rant on the commercial aspect of the club to what I think of Roy Hodgson. If you feel any of what I said is wrong, please feel free to counter with your own logic and reasoning, not preach blind optimism like Digilife. It was refreshing at the start but it's fast becoming overbearing. He asks those who display pessimism to support another club not realizing that the reason we are concerned is because we love the club and we know why. Proof? Our statements are backed up by fact or educated opinions. When a person does not have this it leads me to believe they don't even know why they support the club in the first place despite claiming to have more than 30 years of support under his belt. I really dislike criticizing Liverpool fans but I cannot tolerate those who come across as not knowing anything about what's happening behind the scenes, criticizing those that have done some reading.

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me think this weakness started since the departure of Masch & Alonso,
means we lack of creativity in midfield since LAST SEASON!!!

it became worse since Masch left us, i dun know what u guys think about it,
although i hate it when masch was impolitely left us, but i really feel his absency... really...OMG...  sad.gif
Dun u guys feel that?

Poulsen did nothing but only playing around in his own box..
Lucas always loose his ball control n keep doing the same mistake (mis-passing ball to opponent)... vmad.gif

now in my head i only think of Jay Spearing is the best candidate atm to fill in masch place as a DM,
then let Gerrard n Meireles conquer the midfield without any inferiority....
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Yes, you can say that. Just look at how many goals we've conceded and how teams like Utrecht raped us from all direction - and that tells you our defense virtually does not exist. Our defensive midfield is either dead or sleeping on the field.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 2 2010, 10:50 AM)
Yes, you can say that. Just look at how many goals we've conceded and how teams like Utrecht raped us from all direction - and that tells you our defense  virtually does not exist. Our defensive midfield is either dead or sleeping on the field.
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masherano > lucas + poulsen
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Firstly let me reassure you that I have a very active life.

Secondly let me tell you what I think of your boyfriend. I've held my tongue for a long time now trying to be patient but his blind faith has really annoyed me to no end. He can't back up any of his statements with fact or even reasonable logic. He keeps predicting victories over teams reminding us to mark his words, with no apparent reason. At the very least he could show that his words aren't hollow. I myself have stated several reasons why there is cause for concern beginning with my rant on the commercial aspect of the club to what I think of Roy Hodgson. If you feel any of what I said is wrong, please feel free to counter with your own logic and reasoning, not preach blind optimism like Digilife. It was refreshing at the start but it's fast becoming overbearing. He asks those who display pessimism to support another club not realizing that the reason we are concerned is because we love the club and we know why. Proof? Our statements are backed up by fact or educated opinions. When a person does not have this it leads me to believe they don't even know why they support the club in the first place despite claiming to have more than 30 years of support under his belt. I really dislike criticizing Liverpool fans but I cannot tolerate those who come across as not knowing anything about what's happening behind the scenes, criticizing those that have done some reading.
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Duke, maybe its some form of modern new-age thinking that we oldies have not learned in school...

oh wait...its called lateral thinking.....

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Duke, maybe its some form of modern new-age thinking that we oldies have not learned in school...

oh wait...its called lateral thinking.....
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Lateral thinking requires reasoning as much as it does creativity. His points have neither. Thing is he's been a fan for 30 over years leading me to believe he's older than I at least so it can't be something he picked up in school surely.

I don't mean to sound harsh but him asking us to go support another club for stating facts and opinions he doesnt acknowledge was infuriating.
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well, i think we will win against blackpool

1st, we are at home, an for sure the atmosphere there were great, with all the fans keep chanting and shouting...then it will make our team feel very energetic to play against Blackpool

2nd - In Europa, Gerrard was not playing, so he is fresh when he play against Blackpool. with RH want to improve his tactical. i think he will take Gerrard infront of our DM, and from the news Kuyt will be paired with Torres, then our attacking will be effective....

3rd - With a lot of subs that RH not used, mostly RH will used some of the subs to start playing with Blackpool. Maxi thats use as sub in 80 minute also can be a fresh starter

4th - Well look at Blackpool stat, they has play 4 game away and got 2 wins and 2 lost, not so much as a strong team there..so i think we can get 3 points as Liverpool not lose yet at home this season

dont worry guys, we will win!!!
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No disrespect to Blackpool but a win against them at Anfield no less, should be guaranteed. If we can't beat the likes of them at home, we can forget about qualifying for Europe altogether next season.

I just hope Hodgson doesn't elect to play route 1 football against a newly promoted side accustomed to defending against teams that do. Keep the ball on the ground and work the defenders. We should be able to get some setpieces in dangerous areas if we do. I would really like to see Agger start in place of Skrtel to build from the back.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 2 2010, 02:49 PM)
No disrespect to Blackpool but a win against them at Anfield no less, should be guaranteed. If we can't beat the likes of them at home, we can forget about qualifying for Europe altogether next season.

I just hope Hodgson doesn't elect to play route 1 football against a newly promoted side accustomed to defending against teams that do. Keep the ball on the ground and work the defenders. We should be able to get some setpieces in dangerous areas if we do. I would really like to see Agger start in place of Skrtel to build from the back.
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Yeah, we should be winning against teams like Blackpool, especially at home. And we certainly need to improve on building up the attacking play. No more unnecessary long balls! Especially when Torres is more or less alone upfront. It's never gonna work. RH needs the team to pass the ball to the feet more often. Aerial route is not the way to go.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 2 2010, 01:12 PM)
4th - Well look at Blackpool stat, they has play 4 game away and got 2 wins and 2 lost, not so much as a strong team there..so i think we can get 3 points as Liverpool not lose yet at home this season

dont worry guys, we will win!!!
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Blackpool stat - play 4 game away and got 2 wins and 2 lost WHICH is not bad! And a point more than LFC. Liverpool away - win 1 lost 2!

Praying for a miracle win for morrow's match so that we can be in the top half of the table. So very sien to be next to the relegate zone since the start of this season! sweat.gif

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actually my post there to show 'optimism post', but you guys see it differently, so enough la with digilife...lets move on...
and darknite, enough la the words 'miracle'...hehehe


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This is why i never liked the idea of sacking Rafa under the current regime. Not because im a blinded Rafa loyalist but i just dont trust the board to make any logical football decisions.

In the midst of all this bs, LFC has once again retained its tradition of making baffling football decisions. We paid Rafa to leave to join the reign Italian and European Champion. In his place, we recruited RH - an aging journeyman manager whose tactics are ancient and for someone touted to be a media charmer, he has done a superb job of making himself and the club look so pathetic and small time.

Im all for giving the manager time and support to acclimatize and get his stuff together. Like when Houllier and Rafa first arrived, i said to myself, they will need time to adjust. But Roy isnt a foreign coach. He is English and he is supposed to know the game. There was no language barrier, no tradition to learn, no weird customs or weather to adjusts to. He is supposed to know and understand what we are about. Rafa came and knew what we were about right away. In fact, he reinstated our pride that was missing for good 2 decades! It was almost instinctively for him. But i cant say the same for RH.

With every passing of his interviews he just seem more and more the opposite to what we are about. His defeatist comments is not going to do him any favor. Fans are frustrated with the type of football we are playing - nevermind the results, but his comments after games just switch those frustration and into anger. People want to see leadership and expect some sort of resilience from the manager (especially now when we have absolutely no one in the club that we can rely or trust upon), but instead they get a modest defeatist respond from the manager.

I dont want to even get into his style of football at the moment. But at this rate, i fear for the worst. For the first time in a long time, im not looking forward to January transfer window.
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Looking at some of Rafa's early quotes, I'm starting to miss the assurance that LFC is indeed a big club. Nowadays, it seems the manager wants the fans to be content with a goalless draw.

I've said that the Sunderland and Blackpool games are must-win, if we screw up tomorrow, we might as well as anticipating the relegation battle.

As for tomorrow's match, it seems that we're missing a LB. I say, play Johnson - Skrtel - Greek - Carra as your back 4. Putting Kelly on the LB (Which is what the manager was suggesting. Also, why the heck does Roy keep revealing our team sheeting wayyyy before the match? I'm starting to understand why Roy has been a darling to the British media.) will be no better than throwing Lucas into that position.
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so its prediction time again

Liverpool 1 Blackpool 0 depending on how RH plan his game

we might win wif a 1 nil margin, if we dun play Poulsen + Lucas ( which i believe RH wont )
we will hav a better chance if we play Meireles + Gerrard
We can score if Ngog can partner Torres as the opponent's defence will hav a torrid time to go after Ngog and Torres at the same time, thus giving us more free space for Kuyt and Cole to do the damage

but the most important thing is tat, we must hav our confidence back and do more DECENT passes.
Blackpool is on a high and they might take this opportunity to bang in a few goals if our Midfield and Defence are caught napping again.





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Gosh I'll probably shut off the telly if Lucas-Poulsen play midfield in the Blackpool game.
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Gosh I'll probably shut off the telly if Lucas-Poulsen play midfield in the Blackpool game.
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But, even if i turn of the TV, my mind will still mimic the poor ball play of the two clowns

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is it okay if we use this formation???

----------------reina-------------------
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glen------------------------------jova
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--------kuyt-------------cole---------
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just my opinion since our LB are absent...

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is it okay if we use this formation???

----------------reina-------------------
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glen------------------------------jova
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--------kuyt-------------cole---------
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just my opinion since our LB are absent...
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next match today or tomorrow?
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why? why?

a hint to that torres might (eventually) leave?


they way things are going, i'm not surprised (not that any of us wishes). nobody, no good footballer (A class players) these days will want to emulate the sacrifice such as gerrard did. brilliant he may be but by the look of thing he may never taste the success of the premiership. (I believe it way overdue but thats maybe the bitter truth).

i'm still running around weekends with my LFc support even if we are just floating about relegation. (sorry I not buying new LFc jerseys for the americans till we are sorted out).


truth is I hardly see any LFC supporters in the 'open'. I know they still love the club, but some of their non LFc support friends may tease them to hell on our embarassing saga




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well im still wearing my LFC kits every weekends too,no worry watsoever
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English Preview: Liverpool hit by injuries ahead of Blackpool game


LONDON: Roy Hodgson's start to his career as Liverpool manager could be getting even tougher as injuries complicate his planning for Sunday's English Premier League match against newly promoted Blackpool.

Hodgson could be without a specialist leftback at Anfield after Martin Kelly was hurt in Thursday's 0-0 Europa League draw at Utrecht.

With Paul Konchesky carrying a hamstring injury, Daniel Agger troubled by a groin injury and Fabio Aurelio still out with an Achilles problem, Hodgson's defense could be depleted as the team tries to add to its single win from six games so far.

Can we pull it off even with so many injuries: Roy Hodgson's(pic) start to his career as Liverpool manager could be getting even tougher as injuries complicate his planning for Sunday's English Premier League match against newly promoted Blackpool.
"Kelly has got a slight problem with his knee so that could be another leftback out for us," Hodgson said. "I don't know how bad that is so we'll have to wait and see.

"On the positive side though, Steven Gerrard will be back and we'll be raring to go on Sunday."

With striker Fernando Torres struggling in front of goal, the return of captain Gerrard is a welcome boost to a team that has lost twice and has beaten only newly promoted West Bromwich Albion in the Premier League.

Torres scored twice for Spain last month but his only goal for Liverpool was in the 1-0 win against the Baggies.

"We know he can do more, we expect more, he expects more," Hodgson said. "But it's early in the season and we've got to be patient. You can't fault his workrate at the moment, he's just after that elusive goal."

Liverpool could slip into the relegation zone if it fails to beat a Blackpool side one point ahead in the standings.

All four of the teams below Wolverhampton Wanderers, Wigan, West Ham and Everton have the chance to move above Liverpool this weekend.

Wolves host Wigan on Saturday, when Everton is at Birmingham and West Ham hosts Fulham.

Manchester United is at Sunderland, while Blackburn is at Stoke and Aston Villa is at Tottenham.

Leader Chelsea hosts third-place Arsenal in one of Sunday's three matches, with midfielder Frank Lampard set to miss the match at Stamford Bridge because of a groin injury.

Lampard has recovered from hernia surgery but has since sustained a new injury.

Striker Didier Drogba was suspended for the midweek Champions League game against Marseille but is fit to face a team against which he has scored 12 goals in 10 appearances including four in two wins last season.

Chelsea has five wins from its six matches and has 21 goals, with five from Drogba.

"It's a team I've done well against in certain games," Drogba said. "I hope this match resembles the last one we had against them."

Also on Sunday, Manchester City hosts Newcastle. - AP


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4th - Well look at Blackpool stat, they has play 4 game away and got 2 wins and 2 lost, not so much as a strong team there..so i think we can get 3 points as Liverpool not lose yet at home this season

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 2 2010, 02:57 PM)
Blackpool stat - play 4 game away and got 2 wins and 2 lost WHICH is not bad! And a point more than LFC. Liverpool away - win 1 lost 2!

Praying for a miracle win for morrow's match so that we can be in the top half of the table. So very sien to be next to the relegate zone since the start of this season!  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(New_born @ Oct 2 2010, 06:07 PM)
is it okay if we use this formation???

----------------reina-------------------
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glen------------------------------jova
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--------kuyt-------------cole---------
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just my opinion since our LB are absent...
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good formation... but i think RH wont be clever enough to try that formation...
i predict poulsen-Lucas will gonna start again tomorow... sweat.gif

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The mancs are also fighting for the title while we have dropped into the relegation zone. How we play should not depend on ther results because it isn't them we are battling this season. I don't know if you truly believe we will be battling for the Premiership this season but a quick reality check will tell you that we are aiming for a top 8 finish bearing in mind that in recent seasons the top 2 have been runaway leaders. Finishing third could mean finishing a many as 10 points behind the winners. The gulf is closing but it is still there.

The formula tonight is simple. If Hodgson persists on playing longballs up to Torres, we are done. Blackpool have just been promoted from a league where route 1 football is still pretty much alive and are accustomed to winning things in the air.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 3 2010, 08:25 AM)
The mancs are also fighting for the title while we have dropped into the relegation zone. How we play should not depend on ther results because it isn't them we are battling this season. I don't know if you truly believe we will be battling for the Premiership this season but a quick reality check will tell you that we are aiming for a top 8 finish bearing in mind that in recent seasons the top 2 have been runaway leaders. Finishing third could mean finishing a many as 10 points behind the winners. The gulf is closing but it is still there.

The formula tonight is simple. If Hodgson persists on playing longballs up to Torres, we are done. Blackpool have just been promoted from a league where route 1 football is still pretty much alive and are accustomed to winning things in the air.
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if you study the points, we are not tat bad, pls dun juz only look at our position on the table
a win, meaning 3 points will propel us back to the upper half as there are too many teams sharing the same if not 1 or 2 points better than us
like i say, we are only into the 1Q of the season, there are 3Q left
of course i am in the understanding tat we will perform better once RH gets his tactics iron out as he is juz into the job less than 3 mths

we will see then

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if you study the points, we are not tat bad, pls dun juz only look at our position on the table
a win, meaning 3 points will propel us back to the upper half as there are too many teams sharing the same if not 1 or 2 points better than us
like i say, we are only into the 1Q of the season, there are 3Q left
of course i am in the understanding tat we will perform better once RH gets his tactics iron out as he is juz into the job less than 3 mths

we will see then

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Its not so much about the results but the manner of how we are 'earning' these results. A team fighting to not getting a draw is different from a team whose content with getting away with a draw. Liverpool fans cannot and will not accept this latter approach. Its small time mentality. Unless its a one off tactic in a difficult away European match. But to sit deep against everyone including some of European minnows is pushing it. I believe any sensible supporters will want to give Roy a chance to build something but you have to admit, he is not doing himself any favor here by deploying a far more rigid tactic and spouting out defeatist comments. Are you happy that he is now saying that our players, aside of a couple players, are no different than Fulham players ? He is constantly trying to lower our expectations and the club's ambition. It might be the most sensible thing to do but have the decency to realize the club's traditions and ambition. You cant possible change those things in a blink of an eye and expect fans to readily change. It doesnt work that way. Its disrespectful and insulting to this club and its supporters.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 3 2010, 08:11 AM)
one positive point b4 our crunching match wif Blackpool begin.............

the scum only managed 1 point against Sunderland

how will it affect our players, i dun knoe but if our bitter rival only managed 1 point, i hope our players can play a more relax game( because if we WIN, we are better than them atleast for this week) and in the process will be able to carve out a WIN tonite

i use the word carve, because sincerely this will be a tough game since our result fr our last 3 games did not produced positive result.

once again. i stress the most important thing is tat RH should put out a decent First 11 without the combo of Poulsen + Lucas. We might hav a problem on the LB position, lets see who he gonna field as our opponent will exploit tat gateway to attack us kawkaw like wat ManC did to us.
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On the bolded part, I rather take it as a negative point as having seen the match last night, it's sad to note that Sunderland are actually playing much better than us. Technically they're far poorer but they make it up with sheer hardwork and persistence. And guess what, they actually kept the ball and created some decent chances. With some better players, they might actually challenge for the title.
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of course i am in the understanding tat we will perform better once RH gets his tactics iron out as he is juz into the job less than 3 mths
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If he still goes with the long ball tactic tonight, for sure LFC will lose!
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i think roy should control his mouth during the interviews.
he goes on rambling like an half drunk masochist.

his latest one.. "one of the most respected coaches in europe in last 35 years"

err what?
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liverpool-is-my-home-and-i-will-come-back-2362665.html

Everyone should read this... The passion for the club is endless...
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RH must try to be bolder n more adventurous.......start attacking....start with 2 strikers esp in a home game. Don't worry about Torres.....he would got
into strides sooner than later. Even though he might not been scoring goals but his presence on the field oredi frightened the opponents defence!
Actually he's making assists for others. But said what u like, the Reds
have to be on song asap......we are slipping into relegation zone! What we are lacking now are confidence.....once we start winning back...let's say
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Keep our fingers crossed!
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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ Oct 3 2010, 03:14 PM)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liverpool-is-my-home-and-i-will-come-back-2362665.html

Everyone should read this... The passion for the club is endless...
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depressing.. in more than one way.


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depressing.. in more than one way.
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Rafa's a scouser.

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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ Oct 3 2010, 03:14 PM)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liverpool-is-my-home-and-i-will-come-back-2362665.html

Everyone should read this... The passion for the club is endless...
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Thanks for posting, quality read and a great insight into Rafa's methods. He may be stubborn, but he has strong grounds to support his ways of managing the team.
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"I am monitoring carefully everything that's going on there. I have a lot of friends there and I received a 'Justice' scarf from the Hillsborough families group that is in my office at home. Again out of respect I think it is important that I talk a little bit about the past but especially about the future. For me, at this moment, that is Inter Milan. I keep my house there, we are based in Liverpool and in the future we will be there again."
Right now, he thinks about Inter and the challenges but he knows more than most what football can bring and how he might return.

But Liverpool is home? "Yeah-it's the only house we have. Liverpool is my home and I will come back."

Classic Rafa quotes, the man will always be endeared in Kopites hearts.

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"It's not true that I lost the dressing room. It was obvious that maybe some players were not happy but the majority of the players were very good professionals who were surprised by these stories in the same newspapers by the same journalists. Who was leaking them?"

He wasn't looking to be loved but he believed he would stay at Liverpool.

Last week Christian Purslow remarked that "Rafa's exit was about as clearcut a case of mutual consent as I have ever been involved in in my life. Both sides thought it was time for a change, both sides said so at the time, if you go back and check."
Benitez saw his comment. "I read that he said this -- I was preparing for the next season but after the meeting with Mr Broughton and Mr Purslow I realised that I had to accept the offer they made. I was very sad and my family were devastated when we realised after these meetings that we would leave. I knew I had to go."

More evidence that our club's turmoil doesn't just stop at the owners. sad.gif
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Its not so much about the results but the manner of how we are 'earning' these results. A team fighting to not getting a draw is different from a team whose content with getting away with a draw. Liverpool fans cannot and will not accept this latter approach. Its small time mentality. Unless its a one off tactic in a difficult away European match. But to sit deep against everyone including some of European minnows is pushing it. I believe any sensible supporters will want to give Roy a chance to build something but you have to admit, he is not doing himself any favor here by deploying a far more rigid tactic and spouting out defeatist comments. Are you happy that he is now saying that our players, aside of a couple players, are no different than Fulham players ? He is constantly trying to lower our expectations and the club's ambition. It might be the most sensible thing to do but have the decency to realize the club's traditions and ambition. You cant possible change those things in a blink of an eye and expect fans to readily change. It doesnt work that way. Its disrespectful and insulting to this club and its supporters.
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Win of loose, we still the loyal fans. What we argue is we want the team to do well. Players and manager diff, they may not as loyal as we. As playing is part of their job, bcoz they are professional footballer after all. I don't see players are passion with liverpool. You can see players like Gerrard and Jamie as exp. They may not the best, but their work rate is never been our questions. If the team has the passion for the club, I don't see we will be in the position now. Our team spirit is low. As a professional footballer they should show their passion not to give reason. We must have the mentality of winning not giving excuses. We must got the fire and anger when we fail, we want revenge for the next game. But sadly, every time we failed, we tend to got things to cheering us up, exp giving reason, feeling happy with the performance etc. This somehow will make the players easily satisfy with their performance, so how could we improve for next game? Showing the same mentality again?
I hope RH can give the players some ohm... let show us the team passions.
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liverpool-is-my-home-and-i-will-come-back-2362665.html

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Damn ! That made me cry ..... cry.gif
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actually i think Rafa was the best manager for Liverpool... tactic and all... except and a big except he kept playing Lucas... dunno why he thinks so highly of him...
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Im not liverpool supporter but I love to see Liverpool more than MU more than Arsenal. Give Roy Hodgson a bit time and i believe he will deliver. Only time will tell. Its okay to have slow start but peak at the the right time.
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How many years did Arse ne Wenger or Slur A Lag took to win the PL?
Abt tactics, we will see tonite.
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Ironic, it took Slur Alex much longer to win the league, but yet last season you were calling on Rafa's head despite us playing some decent football. This season, we played like a lower division team, consistently! But yet RH is still your preferred choice. Either you are just blinded by your ego and unable to accept the fact that RH sucked or like some forummers here said, you are a closet Man Utd fan.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Oct 3 2010, 05:29 PM)
Ironic, it took Slur Alex much longer to win the league, but yet last season you were calling on Rafa's head despite us playing some decent football. This season, we played like a lower division team, consistently! But yet RH is still your preferred choice. Either you are just blinded by your ego and unable to accept the fact that RH sucked or like some forummers here said, you are a closet Man Utd fan.
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if you put this question to me after RH still dun land us the Championship after 5 Years, i admit tat my judgement is shortsighted, but as i ady said many times, he is only a few mths into the job, lets give him more time....

i admit tat currently our standard of play is damn fcuking lousy, but as a manager he nids time to get a right combo, i too hate him playing Lucas + Poulsen , wat can i do.....

tell me , wif the current state of our financial coffers, which good manager can we afford?

abt Rafa, he is gone, no point to cry over spilled milk.


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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 3 2010, 05:43 PM)
if you put this question to me after RH still dun land us the Championship after 5 Years, i admit tat my judgement is shortsighted, but as i ady said many times, he is only  a few mths into the job, lets give him more time....

i admit tat currently our standard of play is damn fcuking lousy, but as a manager he nids time to get a right combo, i too hate him playing Lucas + Poulsen , wat can i do.....

tell me , wif the current state of our financial coffers, which good manager can we afford?

abt Rafa, he is gone, no point to cry over spilled milk.
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Don't tell people off then when someone criticizes RH, I'm sure all of us wants RH to prove us wrong, as quickly as possible, so by that time, you can pm us one by one, I told you so, I will be waiting for your PM when that day comes, I'm hoping that it comes sooner though before he is sacked
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 3 2010, 09:20 AM)
if you study the points, we are not tat bad, pls dun juz only look at our position on the table
a win, meaning 3 points will propel us back to the upper half as there are too many teams sharing the same if not 1 or 2 points better than us
like i say, we are only into the 1Q of the season, there are 3Q left
of course i am in the understanding tat we will perform better once RH gets his tactics iron out as he is juz into the job less than 3 mths

we will see then

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We have accumulated 6 points from a possible 18. How is this "not that bad"? Out only win thus far was against West Brom at home and let's not forget that we could easily have gone behind a couple of time before scoring. Sure it's early days but if you can recall, it's often been said that our title challenge ends by Christmas which indicates that we are perennial slow starters, hence it's important for us to rack up some points early.

I do have faith but mine is over the course of a long time, or I wouldn't have made it through the Souness era. It doesn't however mean I wont call it like I see it. I am not the type to wait for something bad to happen before crying over it which is why I keep reiterating that certain things need to be changed now or we are looking at dark time indeed.
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dont worry guys although we bottom 3 but i'm pretty sure 100% we will not relegated
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dont worry guys although we bottom 3 but i'm pretty sure 100% we will not relegated
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RH Son still in 1st Eleven, Poulsen

LIVERPOOL: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Poulsen, Gerrard, Cole, Meireles, Torres, Kuyt.

SUBS: Jones, Maxi, Jovanovic, Lucas, Spearing, Ngog, Kelly

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QUOTE(dfadzli @ Oct 3 2010, 09:20 PM)
RH Son still in 1st Eleven, Poulsen

LIVERPOOL: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Poulsen, Gerrard, Cole, Meireles, Torres, Kuyt.

SUBS: Jones, Maxi, Jovanovic, Lucas, Spearing, Ngog, Kelly
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shocking.gif is RH coming out of his shell? could this potentially be a 3-5-2 lineup?


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shocking.gif is RH coming out of his shell? could this potentially be a 3-5-2 lineup?
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carra is playing left back actually. if meireles is played out of position on the right again it will be pointless.
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How the hell Poulsen get into a starting 11 when obviously we need Ngog more?
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sure la watch liverpool one,come on liverpool!with a win tonite we'll be tenth on the table with oni 3 points less from 4th place(consider if city or arsenal draw tonite),i see hope now so pls win this

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Any stream link for the match?
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How the hell Poulsen get into a starting 11 when obviously we need Ngog more?
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the game start d. found any link for the match? icon_question.gif
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RH is so defensive minded when we clearly need to score goals.  shakehead.gif
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Playing at home, should not play so defensive...
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Ngog ready to come in...
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Ngog replace Torres
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Injured...
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i got knee injury...torres also got knee injury... sad.gif
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do you get my post? not ok?
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Din get any pm/post... blink.gif
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