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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2010, DONE DEAL: WELCOME NESV,JOHN HENRY

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post Oct 1 2010, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(mamet @ Oct 1 2010, 08:28 PM)
glen got a competitor yo ..
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ansfers&cc=4716

'Kuyt sees future in strike partnership with Torres' - soccernet
love to see this pairing upfront 442
with cole on right jova left gerrard raul in middle .. cool
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if we on the losing end with 20 minutes to go...i'm sure we'll got our wish came true! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 2 2010, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(azrulkamal240 @ Oct 2 2010, 12:16 AM)
actually what is the real problem for us when we got a class n quality players but yet failed to penetrate opponents defend?
we got Cole n Kuyt who can dribble n holding ball well, we got meireles who got accuracy in ball pass.. but we end up clueless when come to opponents' defence area... hmm...

or can i say the real problem is came from our central midfield???
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the most basic thing that we lack is...off the ball movement!!...juz look at chelsea,arsenal etc...when their midfield holding the ball,other players kept on moving to empty space in order to receive the ball...when your team mate were static,u cant do anything except for short pass to closest player.. i'd noticed this weakness since GH days....if arsenal or chel players got 9/10 for their off the ball movement...i only can give 5/10 to our team...yup its that poor!!






our backroom staff has to teach them what is pass & move is all about!!! shakehead.gif
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post Oct 3 2010, 10:51 PM

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boooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!...wat a poor tactical defensive play from Roy!!...if Rafa still in charge,those two goals would have been offside!!!...but no Roy prefer our players scramble down to help the defense without even think to play offside trap eventho he knew our defensive players were soooooooo slow!! doh.gif vmad.gif





attacking play looks much improved...it only need a goal
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post Oct 3 2010, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 3 2010, 10:56 PM)
liverpool is playing like a lowly crap championship team NOT even a premiership team.
enough, all this talk of giving RH more time is rubbish, he CLEARLY doenst understnd LIVERPOOL FC.

45 minutes to save his whatever he can salvage. some digi believed in miracle, we can really on miracle because we had a good tactical manager who made the difference at halftime then.
0-2, some might look at its not too bad, we been behind 0-3 before but this time we have a relic who clearly wanted a draw at anfield or any lfc games.
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give him more time to do what??..to let liverpool loose to west brom???...i'm not really believe to give a manager who got experience in EPL a time to build their team...look at houllier at villa...they're not that bad...spurs almost got beaten yesterday..he even got less time than Roy to build his team for fark sake!
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post Oct 3 2010, 11:54 PM

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2 stupid defensive mistake & we lost!!!...our defense got worse when Roy takeover...gone were the days when our defense was one of the best in the league under Rafa's era!
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post Oct 4 2010, 12:01 AM

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i guess Roy gonna say that this is a good result considering how we played!! shakehead.gif








drew at utrecht good result...drew with sunderland good result...all also good result for him! vmad.gif
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post Oct 4 2010, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Oct 3 2010, 11:58 PM)
Why blame RH ? he already field the strongest possible squad, blame the player...

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u should ask why holloway can make his team beat ours when his players are nowhere near as liverpool in terms of quality!!! vmad.gif
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post Oct 4 2010, 12:06 AM

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17th game in charge (inclusive of friendlies) and 3 months into the job, still clueless!!!!
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post Oct 4 2010, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Oct 4 2010, 01:42 AM)
I'm sorry but to those here who are Liverpool fans that said "relax la, it's only seven games" or "chill la, must give the team some time"; that's all BS. There's more than enough games played already and we can't even get tactics right, play decent football or score more than goal in games. Watching them play these days is just a very suffering ordeal. It's mental torture. I can't believe how bad the team is playing at the moment. Worst part is we are in the relegation zone. It's October already for goodness sake! We should at least be in the top 10 even though we had a tough start. Never in my life as a Liverpool supporter I'd witness the team that I love go from 2 Champions League finals in 3 seasons to struggling to even win games in the league against promoted clubs at home.
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u can say that to houllier..he even have shorter time than Roy but villa doing not bad at all..almost beat spurs at their home turf!!...when he became a manager for 3 months,plus have experience in EPL...i juz cant see what time do we need to give to him...give time to sort out where Raul best position is??..or time to experiment our players with tactic??..i see the biggest problem is our defense...almost every game we surely gonna concede goal..under Rafa we played a much criticized zonal marking with our slow centerback..under roy we played man marking...under Rafa we played offside trap a lot!...but under Roy we seldom use it...so make ur own conclusion...still wanna blamed player??..or its manager fault?? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(miketee @ Oct 4 2010, 01:07 PM)
The thing is - Hodgson or ONeil, 99.9% of managers out there -will- be a step down from Rafa. And the very few top managers remaining who can be seen as an able, if not a better replacement than Rafa, doesn't want a job that's not just managing the players, but the board and owners as well!
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so true!!...the only manager who will be an upgrade from Rafa is hiddink & mourinho...other than that,it will make liv worse!





dalglish is a great manager but i really doubt he can revive liv after soooo many years off the field sweat.gif
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post Oct 6 2010, 03:56 PM

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another american ehhh sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Oct 6 2010, 04:37 PM

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well at least this NESV guy owned a team that wear a red socks!...a good start i guess biggrin.gif
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post Oct 6 2010, 04:44 PM

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/base...ners/index.html

Five Best MLB Owners

1 Henry/Werner/Lucchino Boston Red Sox
Purchased 2002

Purchase Price Current Value W-L Winning % Playoffs Championships
$660M $816M 470-340 .580 5 2

Thanks to Henry, Red Sox Nation will never hear the chant "1918!" again. Even if it all were to come crumbling down tomorrow, John Henry (pictured, right) and minority owners Tom Werner (left) and Larry Lucchino will be revered forever for reversing the Curse -- and adding a second championship in 2007. In addition, they've made the hires that will keep the Sox competitive for years to come: specifically, shrewd GM Theo Epstein and manager Terry Francona. Boston has reached the postseason five times in the past six years (including four ALCS appearances) and has become one of the most desired destinations for any notable free agent




not bad at all ehhh...lets see how he's doing in the world of football! rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 6 2010, 11:22 PM)
no probs mate...  icon_rolleyes.gif

we'll just have to wait and see whats in store for us now...
well, the difference between LFC and the RED SOX for our potentional new owner is that he is actually a fan of the RED SOX... according to reports.
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Maybe so, but in trying to buy one of the most famous football clubs in the world what exactly is Henry's ambition and what are his qualifications? After all, he grew up in Arkansas and southern California, the son of a farmer and a baseball fanatic who one day dreamed of owning the St Louis Cardinals, the club he supported from boyhood


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/oct/0...-boston-red-sox


maybe he became red sox fan after the takeover rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 7 2010, 04:05 PM

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Q. So Liverpool have been sold to the owners of the Boston Red Sox. Is it a done deal?

A. Not yet. The deal has been agreed in principle and in detail between Liverpool's chairman Martin Broughton and by the New England Sports Ventures firm headed by John W Henry, but it is subject to a legal challenge by Liverpool's incumbent American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett. NESV has tabled a bid worth £300m that will essentially wipe out most of Liverpool's debt – with cash, not borrowed money – and have promised they will develop a big new stadium, either at Anfield or elsewhere, location to be decided later. NESV has a good track record at the Red Sox, having transformed the franchise into a successful, profitable and valuable asset. But they can't and won't get their hands on Liverpool until Hicks and Gillett's legal challenge is dealt with.

Q. What are Hicks and Gillett arguing about?

A. They say Broughton had no right to agree a sale which will oust them with combined losses of £144m from their time in charge. They argue they sacked two of Broughton's fellow board members, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre, before that pair and Broughton could vote 3-2 against them to sell the club. They will challenge in the High Court Broughton's right to have sold the club on that 3-2 vote. The case should be heard and finished before the end of next week.

Q. Which side will win in the High Court?

A. Broughton says his lawyers insist that legally only he had the power to sack board members, thus Hicks and Gillett cannot have legally sacked Purslow and Ayre, thus the 3-2 vote of sale to NESV was valid. Hicks and Gillett will argue Liverpool was their club and it cannot be sold beneath them. But Hicks and Gillett's case is likely to be undermined because according to Broughton, they effectively signed away control when he was appointed earlier this year. That was specifically so Broughton could find a buyer for the club and to appease the Royal Bank of Scotland, to whom Hicks and Gillett owe £237m.

Q. What if Broughton/Liverpool win the case?

A. Then NESV will take control of Liverpool sharpish, within a couple of weeks at most, and begin the process of trying to turn around the fortunes of the slumbering 18-times champions of England.

Q. And what if the Broughton camp loses?

A. If the judgement goes in the Americans' favour, the decision to sell to NESV will be nullified and two Hicks allies (including son Mack) will replace Purslow and Ayre on the board. Then, with a 15 October deadline to replay RBS looming, Hicks and Gillett will continue to make a last desperate attempt to find anyone in the world who will lend them about £300m to pay off RBS. They will almost certainly fail in that search.

Q. If they do fail, what happens next?

A. RBS will call in their loans, Hicks and Gillett will be unable to pay, the club ownership will transfer briefly to RBS, Liverpool could enter technical administration and RBS will seek a buyer (knowing there is one in place in the form of NESV).

Q. Will Liverpool be docked nine points by the Premier League for entering administration?

A. No, because they'll only be in administration for technical reasons and in all likelihood, NESV will buy the club within a day or two from RBS. The Premier League has already said there would be no nine-point penalty in those circumstances.


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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ed-2099776.html




so whatever happen NESV will still be liverpool owner...the best part is,those two cowboys clown cant get any profit from us!! thumbup.gif rclxms.gif
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post Oct 7 2010, 11:29 PM

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For soccer fans, it’s a match
By Kevin Cullen
Boston Globe / October 7, 2010

Miranda McGill grew up in Liverpool, and besides leaving her family, the hardest thing about moving to Boston 11 years ago was leaving behind the only team that mattered: Liverpool Football Club.

Like a lot of people from Merseyside, McGill lived for the soccer played by Liverpool FC. But she settled in at MIT to study architecture, and while she continued to watch Liverpool matches on satellite TV in the pubs of Boston and Cambridge, she found herself inexorably attracted to a different team and a different sport. She became an inveterate Boston Red Sox fan.

“The passion of the fans, the atmosphere at Fenway Park, reminded me so much of Anfield,’’ she said, referring to Liverpool FC’s storied stadium.

But there was an inverse relationship between her lifelong love and her adopted love: As the Red Sox broke an 86-year drought to win the World Series twice in four seasons, and in the process became one of the most profitable franchises in baseball, Liverpool, one of the most successful soccer teams in the world, fell on hard times.

So when she woke up yesterday and learned that the owners of the Red Sox were about to buy Liverpool FC, Miranda McGill looked skyward and thanked her lucky stars.

“It makes sense,’’ she said. “It just makes sense.’’

Red Sox fans and Liverpool supporters are kindred spirits. Red Sox fans hate the Yankees, the most famous and richest baseball team in the world. Liverpool fans hate Manchester United, the most famous and richest soccer team in the world.

The rivalries, and the emotions they produce, are remarkably similar.


Bostonians and Liverpudlians are kindred spirits, too. The single most significant event in shaping immigration to both cities in the 19th century was Ireland’s potato blight. In both cities, all sorts of people are Irish by osmosis.

Bostonians and Liverpudlians have healthy inferiority complexes — we look south to New York, they look east to Manchester — and share the common, unshakable belief that no actors can do our accents justice in movies.

The Yankees and Manchester United entered a joint marketing deal nine years ago. Principal Red Sox owner John Henry is no dummy. He and his people know that Liverpool is one of the most internationally recognized soccer brands in the world. This is as much about selling hats and jerseys as it is about putting people in seats at Anfield.

It might also be about TV. It was only last year that ESPN began showing Premier League soccer games live from England. There’s gold, and licensing deals, in them thar hills.

Speaking of Anfield, it is the Fenway Park of English football. Its 45,000-seat capacity is the smallest among the big clubs. And while the previous owners had vowed to build a much bigger stadium, many Liverpool fans are hopelessly devoted to the relative intimacy and tradition of the old one and would rather see it renovated and expanded than knocked down.

“I’m an architect, and I can tell you that regenerating Anfield is a far better solution,’’ McGill said. “We’ve seen what Henry did at Fenway Park, and I think there’s similar potential to expand and improve Anfield while keeping its character intact"

Liverpool fans can be forgiven for being wary about exchanging one group of American owners for another. In just three years, current owners Tom Hicks, who used to own the Texas Rangers, and George Gillett, who used to own the Montreal Canadiens, have run the team into the ground, burying it in debt.

Liverpool has suffered through its worst start in a half-century, losing to lowly clubs, most recently Blackpool and Northampton — the latter loss being akin to the Red Sox losing to the Bad News Bears.

Tim Treacy, chairman of the Liverpool FC Supporters Club of Boston, who gather at the Phoenix Landing pub in Cambridge’s Central Square to watch games in rowdy, rapt attention, said the only reservation he and many other Liverpool fans have is financing.

“It can’t be another situation of borrowing a lot of money and running up a lot of debt,’’ said Treacy, a native of Ireland who moved here four years ago to get his doctorate in music therapy at Boston University. “But I’m encouraged, because I’ve seen what they’ve been able to do with the Red Sox. Henry knows how to make money, and he’s not afraid to spend it on players.’’

Treacy also likes the Red Sox’ philosophy of mixing highly paid superstars acquired by free agency with more modestly paid, home-grown talent raised in the farm system. The wealthiest owners of teams in England’s Premier League have gone the route of the former at the expense of the latter, creating huge payrolls but not necessarily good teams.

When McGill married her American husband six years ago, she walked down the aisle of Cambridge Christ Church to the strains of “You’ll Never Walk Alone,’’ Liverpool’s anthem, which is shouted from the terraces of Anfield with a passion considerably more intense than “Sweet Caroline’’ at Fenway.

“As my mum says, if I can’t be in Liverpool, the next-best place is Boston,’’ she said.




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post Oct 8 2010, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Haihzz @ Oct 8 2010, 09:44 AM)
Their animosity towards absentee landlords Hicks and Gillett - and the way those two burdened debt on to the club - saw them side with former manager Rafa Benitez.

And yet Benitez played a huge role in Liverpool's downfall. Amid all the bile directed at Hicks and Gillett, it is often overlooked Benitez was given some £170million in transfer funds during their time at the club.

Whether it was technically their money or not, it was still made available.

Only two clubs - Manchester City (£426m) and Tottenham (£177m) - have spent more since February 2007.

Liverpool outspent Manchester United (£142m) and Chelsea (£112m), while Arsenal (£71m) trailed in well down the list. Despite that, Liverpool languish 18th in the Premier League.

But should we be totally surprised, considering the dressing room mess Benitez left Hodgson?

OK, Benitez is not responsible for the injury problems affecting Fernando Torres, while most managers would not mind being left Pepe Reina, Daniel Agger and, maybe, Maxi Rodriguez.

But what of the other players Benitez bought?

Some £16m on Glen Johnson, a right-back who cannot defend? Another £11m on Ryan Babel?

Aurelio? Kyrgiakos? Insua? Degen? Lucas? And, before them, Morientes, Nunez, Josemi, Sissoko, Pennant and Dossena?

Craig Bellamy and Peter Crouch - how Liverpool could do with them now - were both sold on, while Yossi Benayoun was too often left frustrated on the bench.

Finally, he unsettled Xabi Alonso by moving for Gareth Barry, while the popular Sami Hyypia was none too impressed at being left out of Benitez's Champions League squad.

In all, Benitez signed more than 90 players for £260m and a net spend of £120m. And he left the worst to last. The delicate Alberto Aquilani for £18m.

In Rafa We Trust?

Liverpool fans will say he got them to two Champions League finals and second in the league.

And yet one of those finals and the runners-up spot came on the Hicks-Gillett watch. While the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 was accomplished with a team largely bequeathed by Gerard Houllier.

If only Hodgson had been left similar players.

Of course, Hodgson did not help himself by selecting a reserve team against Northampton in the Carling Cup.

And eyebrows have headed north over signings like Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen.

But it was not as if he had much time to orchestrate a coherent transfer policy.

And he was certainly not to blame for the threadbare nature of the squad he inherited.

So Liverpool lie marooned in the bottom three. And is there any reason to believe financial salvation off the pitch will kickstart an immediate recovery on it?

That like the Boston Red Sox - who, within two years of Henry buying them, won their first baseball World Series since 1918 - Liverpool will rise phoenix-like from the ashes?

The reaction of the fans has been lukewarm. Once bitten, twice shy.

It will remain so until specific details are known about transfer funds and the new regime's exact plans for either a new stadium or the redevelopment of Anfield.

Apart from piling up the club's debt, the other main crime perpetrated by the Hicks-Gillett regime was to promise 'a spade in the ground within 60 days' only to do absolutely nothing to move the Stanley Park project forward.

Yet does Henry (with a personal fortune of 'only' £600m) have the spare cash to wipe out most of the debt, inject transfer capital AND finance his preferred Anfield redevelopment scheme?

Would the club get planning permission from a council who prefer a new stadium?

And what, more immediately, of Hodgson?

Should Liverpool's woeful form continue in their next seven matches - Everton (a), Blackburn (h), Bolton (a), Chelsea (h), Wigan (a), Stoke (a) and West Ham (h) - he will probably be gone.

Not even given the chance in the January transfer window to show he can spend whatever money there is wisely. Another victim of the blame game.


I took this out from an article from THESUN.. sorry to break the non - THESUN article, but.. this is rather true in some ways.  hmm.. He failed to include Robbie Keane though..  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 9 2010, 01:09 AM)
i thought it was G&H who made the court proceedings (ie. the Plaintiff/Claimant)?
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