Wasn't Intel supposed to change their socket design every tick tock?

as far as i know, intel tick tock strategy is each processor architecture gets to be made in two successive manufacturing processes, while each process gets to build two succeeding architectures. New architecture or new process doesnt need new socket

usually integrating stuff like new memory controlller, electric circuits and even graphics requires new socket. not the architecture itself

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 19 2011, 12:26 PM

Yup, I think BD will get a socket change soon after a few Zambezi are released. Further reading suggests that Intel's IB will definitely run on 1155, or so called backwards compatible. Not sure if there'd be anything given up running it on older (current) mobo. So after further consideration, I think I may be better off going Z68 Extreme-Z + 2500k. Sell the 2500k when IB replacement comes out...hopefully spotting 6 cores at least.

My guess is that IB would highly likely get 6 cores or more. The die shrink simply allows more cores to be squeezed in. And with another 30% speed boost that Intel proclaimed, I think AMD would need to roll out FMx ASAP if they intend to stay in the competition. Also, Commodore is essentially a BD, I would imagine AMD should be able to release it much quicker than initial BD's (Zambezi). Rev 1 of just about anything, be it CPU, Mobo, Cars always have more issues and take longer to release.

One thing I may be wrong is that AM3+ might just run alongside FMx. Essentially putting themselves in the same position as Intel:

AM3+/1155 (PCIe 2.0, dual channel)
FMx/2011 (PCIe 3.0, quad channel)

Yeah lot's of wild guesses... I am replacing my EK Nickel blocks so I won't have my PC for another week plus. Hopefully we'd see some BD in action and that Z68 extreme-z becomes available.

Same here, it will not be worth upgrading from 2500k to IB if it is not at least 6 cores.

Basically new platform just to support the newer techs....aagghh
Anyway, I am still fine with the current AM3 mobos functionality

http://motherboardnews.com/2011/05/27/ivy-...lity-explained/

laptop chipset doesnt support ivybridge
depends on luck actually. some desktop doesnt support also.

Some of the features IB is bringing to the table isn't much of a concern for users now

- pcie 3.0 (Won't be needing it, no more $$ to get more GPU)
- USB3.0 (Doesn't really matter as of now since mobo's chipset support it)
- DX11 (on board? Not really interested in another APU concept since my discreet destroys just about anything the on board can do)

So for as long as IB works on those aforementioned chipset in the review, we are good to go

I wonder how hybrid crossfire works I don't mind have 3 x 6970 + whatever 6xxx on board hybrid crossfire

they seems to havent find a trick to harvest the APU graphic power for graphic performance. I would definitely like them to implement some driver or software to make APU render the entire window 2D GUI in background and leave 100% discrete graphic resources to games.

This post has been edited by billytong: Jun 20 2011, 06:06 PM

cannot combine/crosssfire with APU graphic, only either onboard or discrete cards are possible. because onboard performance cannot match with too high end 6970 card 3 x 6970 already enough la, powerful

APU (A Series) A4, A6, A8 recommended dual graphics or crossfire compatible as below:


E & C series also no dual graphics offer.

any expected price for the new amd llano?

llano for desktop should be out soon...


This post has been edited by kuasacow: Jun 21 2011, 09:31 PM

I wonder if I purchase the first gen bulldozer and a am3+ mobo, can i just switch mobo only when the fx series out? >_<

ya..waiting for Llano also..when will it be available on the market?

I think you may be a little confused.

The first gen bulldozer would run on AM3+ and is an FX series. The second gen bulldozer would run on FMx (FM1, FM2, FM3 and etc I presume) and is known as commodore. First gen bulldozer (zambezi) which runs on AM3+ is likely compatible with FMx motherboards, just like AM3 cpus are compatible with AM3+ motherboards. However, FMx bulldozer (commodore) is likely incompatible with AM3+ socket just as how the first gen bulldozer Zambezi wouldn't run on AM3 boards.

AMD's product line chart shows that FMx will be launched in 2012 but doesn't show that AM3+ will overlap FMx which leads me to think that AM3+ will be short lived (6-9 months or so). OTOH, Intel's Ivy Bridge WILL be backwards compatible with 1155 motherboards (some).

second gen bulldozer are still cpu (not APU),doubt it gonna use FMx socket unless amd mention that the next bulldozer will be APU, but trinity (next llano with bulldozer core) should still use FMx socket

update: i got it wrong
maybe amd doesnt want different chipset for different product class
whatever it is im more concern on how zambezi perform without the availability of gpu (with potentially bigger die size) when 4 core bulldozer are expensive than 4 core thuban+600mhz/8rops/400shaders gpu


This post has been edited by zerorating: Jun 22 2011, 07:27 AM

It has been launched a while back already. Expect availability soon by this month or the latest next month.

Are any reviews on the performance of Llano up on the web? Extensive reviews?

I heard it's released, but can't seem to find the extensive reviews you'd normally expect from those hardware sites.

I'd like to compare Llano and SB.

only found review Llano Sabine which is for mobile. always notebook 1st
still searching good extensive review for Llano Lynx, for desktop....

This post has been edited by djlah: Jun 22 2011, 12:58 PM

Although I don't have the numbers or actual tests here is what you can expect, Intel SB CPU > AMD Llano CPU & AMD Llano IGP > Intel SB IGP.

Yeah, that's what I was hearing.

But the important thing is, how much is the difference? If AMD Llano CPU is too slow compared to Intel SB, then it wouldn't be a good deal since we can pair NVDIA graphics with Intel SB.