Lol it depends. If AMD manages to get software developers to increase the number of OpenCL applications then Fusion will be a success.




This post has been edited by dma0991: Jun 15 2011, 06:38 PM

Llano actually has most of the transistor budget allocated to the GPU, taking half of the area and its transistors are more densely packed than the CPU portion; perhaps pushing upwards of 60% of the transistor budget. The Northbridge also consumes a lot less transistors than either CPU or GPU.

I agree with this guess. Although it might be nice if FM1 can fully support AMD's plans for Komodo and Trinity. In which case, I'll pass on Bulldozer's hardware AES support and buy a Llano system.

Actually once I upgraded my PC next, I probably won't be touching the "next gen" CPU for awhile considering that I now have 2 x 6970 with ek waterblock sitting in my closet waiting for a platform to be installed into my casing. It's either going to be z68 or 990fx. So what concerns me the most is how will AMD's high end BD compete with Intel's IB for 1155 in the future.

If AMD's BD can be better than SB by about 20-30%, then I'm sold..
Currently waiting to see if BD worth buying or not.. Else, forced to go intel IB..
Intel claimed IB will hv 30% improvement over SB, so if BD is anything less than 20% improvement of SB, I feel I would rather wait for IB, since it's coming soon too..
But I really hope AMD can beat my expectation as I hv more preference towards AMD than Intel.. >_<

I'm looking for an alll around decent laptop with primary concern on portability + battery life..

AMD seems promising this time but I'm eying more on the Intel's Ultrabook concept..

I hope AMD can delivers the same. I am more bias towards Intel mostly but I wanna try AMD on the next purchase (everytime I bought a new plattform Intel just came out with something that has a significant lead, guess it's the timing factor).

Ultrabook is the concept that comes along with Ivy Bridge and it is set to be launched around April next year. Most probably AMD can't deliver the performance that you seek if your work is very CPU intensive but I don't see the harm trying out Llano anyways.

Lets just say that the price of the A8 is RM2100, add in a 120GB 3rd gen SSD which should amount to ~3k and you have a solid laptop for just about anything. IMHO a SSD has better noticeable performance gain in terms of system responsiveness than an upgrade to a better CPU.

bulldozer dont fit in AM3 socket? I realise the price of 955 has dropped and wonder if the x6 will drop too

Phenom II X6 won't drop in price anymore. Any company that can't sell their product for a certain amount of profit they will EOL that product. link

Yes, generally SSD gives you the most significant performance boost. A known fact.

We do not know how ultra portable Llano is. And what are the models available for Malaysian market. 12"? 13.3"? 14"?
MYR2100? I'd consider an Acer 3820TG or 4830TG instead. I reckon it is approx MYR3000 too (+ an SSD, of course).
Balance performance of both CPU and GPU.

P/S I think it depends of price. If Llano priced at MYR1500-1700, I'd say it is one good value-for-money.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jun 16 2011, 01:15 AM

I second this.Hell,throw in a SSD in an old C2D laptop and it'll be much more responsive than a laptop with i7 2630qm + normal 5400RPM/7200RPM HDD.

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Added on June 16, 2011, 1:15 amthe 4830TG is RM2499,let's say an AMD A8 laptop costs RM2100,add a RM400 60GB~ SSD and it'll be much more responsive laptop.Unless of course one needs the CPU power.


This post has been edited by Racerx: Jun 16 2011, 01:15 AM

That is up to the ODM to decide. I suppose that it should be within a reasonable price that many could afford as Llano was never aimed at the high end. I'm quite happy with the form factor of the current laptops actually considering that something like a Macbook Air which is a reference to the ultrabook has to make quite a lot of compromise to fit that form factor. A few of the compromise that the MB Air made are like the soldered RAM modules to the logic board and the proprietary SSD stick. It makes upgrading difficult and expensive.

How would a SSD give a significant performance boost apart from faster Windows load times? Just curious here.

AMD and Intel netbook with SSD can run as smooth as notebook too.
I used to own both AMD and Intel netbook.

The price is different by MYR300 and you pay it for better CPU performance, it justifies.
Besides, GT540 is generally faster than Llano's. It justifies the price again.
My point is, you pay additional MYR300 for a better CPU & GPU.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/amd-lla...apu-a8-3500m/11

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Added on June 16, 2011, 1:26 amSimple explanation, computers never stop reading/writing.
SSD is the fastest drive in read and write and thus you gain the performance.

Still not convince? Get one and you'll know.
Nothing speaks louder than your own experience.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jun 16 2011, 01:26 AM

Let me put it in a simple way. SB processor is a steam train, coal is the data and the HDD is the person shoveling the coal in to the engine to run it. If the train can consume the coal faster than you can feed it with coal, therefore you have a slower performance. If you can feed the coal faster hence the train would run faster.

Yes, I understand it is up to the manufacturer to price it, depends on brandnames, bells and whistles.
It is not value-for-money if it doesn't price competitive. It won't sell.
My point is, price is crucial in determining this product is value-for-money or not.

Let me give you an example,
it is interesting product if it's priced MYR2000.
it is god-sent gift if it's priced MYR1500.
See price effect?

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jun 16 2011, 01:35 AM

1.5k is something that everyone wants but obviously will not get it because the manufacturers themselves wants a profit and they will not allow the price to be lower than a certain point. They way I look at it Llano is competitive, 2k+- is a good price range and it is affordable to many.

Price and value for money does not matter to Apple users obviously, so that idea does not apply to everybody actually.

Yes, everyone wants it MYR1500.

Apple has no competitors.
AMD is facing competition. It won't sell if the price is premium.

FX Turbo Core gives 1GHz boost

Time to put some GDDR5 sideport memory on it.
Or recommend performance RAM for the users?

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 16 2011, 03:48 PM

Yes, Hybrid crossfire supported;
for desktop: 6550D + 6670 = 6690D2


SOS or Hybrid crossfire for notebook here

My question is, is AMD Hybrid crossfire's config can enabled/disabled on discrete card on this next new AMD Fusion Llano launch?

oh, the pic. below seem is the answer:

Yes, Switchable Graphics: High Performance / Power Saving
SOS

nah, I will said this comparison chart from TOM are more easy to read than Anandtech.



integrated level: very clear that we can see with only APU, also far better than i5 which is 2896 vs. 1995
discrete level: either discrete only or dual graphics, also score higher than regular discrete card 5570.
of course they don't take HD6000 series to compare, is totally unfair.
I don't think also AMD gonna destroy own 6xxx series discrete card for now until HD7000 series launch.
so don't hope for GDDR5 sideport memory, until higher GDDR spec for Southern Islands launch next...
This is acceptable/reasonable.

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This post has been edited by djlah: Jun 16 2011, 03:49 PM