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post Jun 16 2011, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 16 2011, 02:47 PM)
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Time to put some GDDR5 sideport memory on it.  thumbup.gif
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IINM Sideport memory is not supported.Performance RAM?Might as well get an Athlon II and a HD6670/HD5670
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post Jun 16 2011, 08:50 PM

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ok how can SSD help in gaming ? by using SSD as boot drive OR as BOOT and game install ? got guide? Sory off topic
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post Jun 16 2011, 08:52 PM

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It just loads faster , nothing more ...

SSDs doesn't make your gameplay faster or anything...
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post Jun 16 2011, 10:37 PM

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Most game's load times aren't affected by SSDs. But SSDs do significantly affect the load times of most other applications and eliminate HDD performance trashing, making your computer feel very snappy and responsive, even on old CPUs. An old AMD CPU + SSD will feel more pleasant to use than a Sandy Bridge + HDD, although it certainly won't be as fast as the Sandy Bridge once it has passed the HDD bottleneck.
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Jun 16 2011, 01:08 AM)
Phenom II X6 won't drop in price anymore. Any company that can't sell their product for a certain amount of profit they will EOL that product. link
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What is EOL? Can bulldozer fit into my MSI 870S-G46 mobo?
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post Jun 17 2011, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(hakunamatata @ Jun 17 2011, 12:55 AM)
What is EOL? Can bulldozer fit into my MSI 870S-G46 mobo?
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End Of Life. End of product support. Can read more at Wiki.
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post Jun 17 2011, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ Jun 16 2011, 11:37 PM)
Most game's load times aren't affected by SSDs. But SSDs do significantly affect the load times of most other applications and eliminate HDD performance trashing, making your computer feel very snappy and responsive, even on old CPUs. An old AMD CPU + SSD will feel more pleasant to use than a Sandy Bridge + HDD, although it certainly won't be as fast as the Sandy Bridge once it has passed the HDD bottleneck.
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You sure about your statement?
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post Jun 17 2011, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ Jun 16 2011, 10:37 PM)
Most game's load times aren't affected by SSDs. But SSDs do significantly affect the load times of most other applications and eliminate HDD performance trashing, making your computer feel very snappy and responsive, even on old CPUs. An old AMD CPU + SSD will feel more pleasant to use than a Sandy Bridge + HDD, although it certainly won't be as fast as the Sandy Bridge once it has passed the HDD bottleneck.
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if too old AMD system, will not get benefit of SSD. unless the AMD system come with SATA II.
SATA I communicate at a rate of 1.5 Gbit/s for most very old system. now all at least run at SATA II which is interfaces running at 3.0 Gbit/s.
New motherboard now you purchased nowadays already support SATA III at 6 Gbit/s physical layer but lack of affordable SATA III HDD.
using SATA II SSD now, planning to upgraded SATA III SSD when the price reduce.
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post Jun 17 2011, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Jun 16 2011, 12:54 AM)
Ultrabook is the concept that comes along with Ivy Bridge and it is set to be launched around April next year. Most probably AMD can't deliver the performance that you seek if your work is very CPU intensive but I don't see the harm trying out Llano anyways.

Lets just say that the price of the A8 is RM2100, add in a 120GB 3rd gen SSD which should amount to ~3k and you have a solid laptop for just about anything. IMHO a SSD has better noticeable performance gain in terms of system responsiveness than an upgrade to a better CPU.
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Actually no need that much juice, just greed and geek haha.. I realised I cant utilised more than what my system has to offer now, despite after 3 years using the rig already.
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post Jun 17 2011, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Jun 17 2011, 08:19 AM)
You sure about your statement?
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I choose the wrong words. The gist I wanted to share was that while some games, not all, do show loading improvements, they benefit less from SSDs than most other applications.

One of the more amazing examples of such was Neverwinter Nights (2002). When loading, for some modules it will extract thousands of tiny temporary files to disk. You'd think that with an SSD, NWN's load times would have improved like ten fold or something. Well, it didn't, I didn't felt a difference and the Windows Task Manager didn't show a difference either. I don't know how they managed that little bit of sorcery, but there you go.

On more current games, I and some other S2TW players can say that it doesn't significantly effect S2's long load times. I haven't checked against the Task Manager, so it might actually be a little faster, but it certainly doesn't feel like it. For multiplayer games, like L4D or Killing Floor, I can't say whether SSDs are better or not as my laptop's i5 CPU is also better than my friends older machines.

QUOTE(djlah @ Jun 17 2011, 10:18 AM)
if too old AMD system, will not get benefit of SSD. unless the AMD system come with SATA II.
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Systems still on SATA 1.5Gbps are not old, they are ancient. sweat.gif
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post Jun 17 2011, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Jun 17 2011, 12:39 PM)
I choose the wrong words. The gist I wanted to share was that while some games, not all, do show loading improvements, they benefit less from SSDs than most other applications.

One of the more amazing examples of such was Neverwinter Nights (2002). When loading, for some modules it will extract thousands of tiny temporary files to disk. You'd think that with an SSD, NWN's load times would have improved like ten fold or something. Well, it didn't, I didn't felt a difference and the Windows Task Manager didn't show a difference either. I don't know how they managed that little bit of sorcery, but there you go.

On more current games, I and some other S2TW players can say that it doesn't significantly effect S2's long load times. I haven't checked against the Task Manager, so it might actually be a little faster, but it certainly doesn't feel like it. For multiplayer games, like L4D or Killing Floor, I can't say whether SSDs are better or not as my laptop's i5 CPU is also better than my friends older machines.
Systems still on SATA 1.5Gbps are not old, they are ancient. sweat.gif
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Whilst your drive affects game load time, it can be bottlenecked by either the drive or processor or graphic memory or physical memory.

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post Jun 17 2011, 05:47 PM

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I'm using SSD on my atom netbook. Loading time much better now but it still slow as hell compare to my desktop lol

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AMD's APU product line is currently divided into several different segments: G series CPUs, set to target embedded products; C series CPUs designed for ultra-thin notebooks or tablet PCs; Z series mainly targeting tablet PCs; E series targeting ultra-thin notebooks or small form factor (SFF) desktop PCs; and A series targeting mainstream notebooks, all-in-one PCs and desktop PCs.

Compared to Intel's processors, Bergman believes AMD's APU shares a similar concept as Intel's Sandy Bridge, but Sandy Bridge is unable to provide parallel calculations as strong as AMD's APU, and does not support the existing industry standards such as DirectX 11, Open GL 4.1 or OpenCL. In addition, Sandy Bridge is designed based on the application user interface of Windows Vista, while AMD's APU is capable of fully supporting the application user interface of Windows 7, Bergman added.

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In addition, AMD's Dual Graphics technology also allows its APU to coordinate with AMD's discrete graphics cards to allow a graphics performance boost of 75%. With Intel's graphics solution in Sandy Bridge, the integrated graphics is not used if an additional discrete graphics card is added to the platform, Berman pointed out.

The Trinity platform will still adopt 32nm process and AMD is set to launch Krishna with 28nm process in 2012, Bergman noted. Commenting on questions whether AMD will outsource its production to Globalfoundries or Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), Bergman only said that both firms will have the chance to produce the 28nm products for AMD.


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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 16 2011, 08:50 PM)
ok how can SSD help in gaming ? by using SSD as boot drive OR as BOOT and game install ? got guide? Sory off topic
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QUOTE(hakunamatata @ Jun 17 2011, 12:55 AM)
What is EOL? Can bulldozer fit into my MSI 870S-G46 mobo?
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http://event.msi.com/mb/am3+/
The model is already stated there.
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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Jun 17 2011, 05:32 PM)
Whilst your drive affects game load time, it can be bottlenecked by either the drive or processor or graphic memory or physical memory.
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Neverwinter knights 1 is a pretty old game. Unless u are running P4 2.0GHz and below system there is no way the current destop would bottleneck the game.
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post Jun 19 2011, 02:45 AM

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Been doing some research on the product life cycle and upcoming chips. I'm incline to believe the AM3+ will not last. It's likely going to suffer the same fate as AM2. It would seem that AM3+ is a refreshed 790 to support the first gen BD. The real thing will come from FMx socket.

OTOH, Intel's z68/p67 isn't looking too good either. It'd seem that IB may need a new board despite using the same 1155 socket. Although this seems a little unlikely considering the confusion this would cause. If IB works on 1155 I'd say Intel is still a better bet until enhanced bulldozer is launched.
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QUOTE(billytong @ Jun 18 2011, 02:05 PM)
Neverwinter knights 1 is a pretty old game. Unless u are running P4 2.0GHz and below system there is no way the current destop would bottleneck the game.
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Oh sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not referring to one game but all on general.
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jun 19 2011, 02:45 AM)
Been doing some research on the product life cycle and upcoming chips. I'm incline to believe the AM3+ will not last. It's likely going to suffer the same fate as AM2. It would seem that AM3+ is a refreshed 790 to support the first gen BD. The real thing will come from FMx socket.

OTOH, Intel's z68/p67 isn't looking too good either. It'd seem that IB may need a new board despite using the same 1155 socket. Although this seems a little unlikely considering the confusion this would cause. If IB works on 1155 I'd say Intel is still a better bet until enhanced bulldozer is launched.
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It is more likely the BD get socket change than 1155. IB is suppose to be out by end of this year. Even the short live 1156 is at least 2 years old.

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