anand is clearly biased towards intel.
he should edit what he just wrote before the update.


This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 15 2011, 12:26 PM

by using a slow memory in the early reviews where as llano true potential lies in the higher memory speed. there are some people who doesnt actually follow anand's website and they will think that llano is just a bit better compared to snb from the early reviews.
thats y i said anand should change what he just wrote before the speed update so that other people who came by and read their reviews get a clearer explanation.

thus if you see from the mobile llano. anand purposely put 3 sandybridge corei7 paired with a discrete 460m to make intel look good. clearly amd said that their a8 llano are meant to face snb core i5/i7 alone. not paired with any nvidia gpus. of course intel paired with nvidia will cost more than an a8 laptop. there's a reason anand compared llano to them. its to make intel look good. doesnt it?

its totally bias

because they have an excellent marketing people.
now if you have a laptop with an intel only chip inside compared to amd only chip, which one is faster if u ask average user that doesnt know what chip inside.

i bet most will say its just the same unless they play games which i assume amd have the upper hand.
same goes to desktop

1) well i dont know. maybe he wanted to cover his action. or maybe amd or other people that are concern pressured them. but clearly he should posted those results earlier. this is an amd launched. not intel's. he should do whatever to make amd product looks good because its a norm people will advertise their best configuration for the whole world to see. not by using old catalyst, low resolution* and slow memories.
2) i must be sensitive. i dont want to buy or even see my relatives and friends buy expensive laptop but couldnt do what a cheaper laptop could do. as for comparing with gtx460 is ok. but comparing 3 laptop with the same discrete* and cpu inside is just mad.

*anand have changed it to 1366x768 and comparing it to only 1 460m laptop in the latest update



you forgot to put,bribe oem and developers to use Intel's compilers that can hinder the performance of code running on AMD processors. i dont think their software support is good. good chipset? remember the b2 stepping bug?



do you do professional work? that is the question. i dont think you can differentiate those 2 in word or any other ordinary stuff out there.



but amd will come in much lower price but performance near those high end laptops. much better perf/watt in games thanks to soi hkmg for both cpu and gpu and longer battery life and cooler laptops.

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 15 2011, 02:25 PM

sorry for that. better if i mention those kickbacks.



yeah they did. they have all the resources to handle it. even amd made more serious errors. compared to today, amd are a much much better company. their gpu division are doing very well. brazos are great and so as llano. bulldozer also looks promising. its just that those reviews really doesnt show amd's effort. amd deserve credits and more marketshare.

the microprocessor are not for intel alone. it is us who will suffer if it does.

dont poison me with those. im going to buy a llano notebook soon. cannot wait until august.

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 15 2011, 02:46 PM

im not sure about switchable graphic. but for hybrid crossfire between the iGPU and dGPU, it is officially supported. but its only useful if u connect an external monitor where u can crank up the resolution higher than 1366x768. they scale better than dGPU only in certain games. other than that its not recommended because the driver for hybrid graphics or dual graphics as amd calls it is still not well optimized.



is there a laptop with llano already shiped here?

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 15 2011, 05:50 PM

end of july earliest until early september worst case scenario according to amd. its not an option to upgrade now . just wait for bulldozer

oh wait. bulldozer dont fit into your socket. you need to buy new motherboard. up to you actually if you want to upgrade to 955 or not.

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 15 2011, 06:05 PM

The future is fusion

as far as i know, intel tick tock strategy is each processor architecture gets to be made in two successive manufacturing processes, while each process gets to build two succeeding architectures. New architecture or new process doesnt need new socket

usually integrating stuff like new memory controlller, electric circuits and even graphics requires new socket. not the architecture itself

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 19 2011, 12:26 PM

http://motherboardnews.com/2011/05/27/ivy-...lity-explained/

laptop chipset doesnt support ivybridge
depends on luck actually. some desktop doesnt support also.

its still early to talk about the performance of either trinity or IB. What matters is where does the future computing heads to.
You can't ignore that gpu nowadays is nearly as important as the cpu. more and more application that uses the computing power of the gpu.

what matters now is that both llano and sandy bridge processor rocks. you cant go wrong on either side ur on

with more L2 cache

llano iq vs sb iq

what a disgrace to intel.

"...producing a lower-quality result than the A8's integrated Radeon. The bar charts full of benchmark results won't show you that...."

so, if the llano image quality is reduced to the same level as intel, the llano IMHO would reach up to x5 or x6 better framerates.

to intel graphics

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jun 23 2011, 07:52 PM

http://vr-zone.com/articles/purported-amd-...aked/12914.html

surpass all sandy bridge cpu available and very very close to be on par with 6 cores gulftown.

bulldozer oc

overclocking bulldozer without increasing the multiplier.
seems like bulldozer aint like llano which have multiplier bug. the chip is strong!

the link is in czech

edit-they have removed the page

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jul 15 2011, 09:13 PM

Most probably. AMD said the delay is a strategic move. I am more worried about their process rather than their architecture.
Well trinity is still on scheduled even bulldozer got delayed.

IINM SB-E comes with pci-e 3.0 but doesnt come with usb 3.0

This post has been edited by FullMetalBoy: Jul 19 2011, 12:56 AM

i never said you were wrong. i just wanted to point out that, the delay was maybe due to supply constraint, low yields or watever internal problem they have.



it seems that i was wrong here.

its may be fake


look at the red circle. bad photoshop?
lets compare to an official roadmap from amd


i dont buy this, amd is risking their business if this news is true. people wont buy llano and bulldozer because future socket wont support them. just my opinion

dont care if its slower than SB. if it scales well in games, its a success.