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post Jun 22 2011, 12:52 PM

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Are any reviews on the performance of Llano up on the web? Extensive reviews?

I heard it's released, but can't seem to find the extensive reviews you'd normally expect from those hardware sites.

I'd like to compare Llano and SB.
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post Jun 22 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Jun 22 2011, 01:30 PM)
Although I don't have the numbers or actual tests here is what you can expect, Intel SB CPU > AMD Llano CPU & AMD Llano IGP > Intel SB IGP.
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Yeah, that's what I was hearing.

But the important thing is, how much is the difference? If AMD Llano CPU is too slow compared to Intel SB, then it wouldn't be a good deal since we can pair NVDIA graphics with Intel SB.
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post Jun 22 2011, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Jun 22 2011, 07:14 PM)
Thanks! Can't wait for the full review on power consumption, heat and overclockability. biggrin.gif

Llano's Hybrid Crossfire on a laptop is also interesting to look forward to. rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 23 2011, 02:26 PM

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IDE takes up valuable space in the motherboard also.

So I did a little bit of reading, and from what I gather, Llano will practically be a 32nm Deneb core fused together with ATI graphics.

Later next year, AMD Trinity will be released to replace Llano which is based on the new Bulldozer core which is a major redesign of AMD's processors.

So... this is practically Intel's Tick Tock strategy right?

It seems that Trinity will deliver more performance boost. And if Ivy Bridge doesn't deliver, Trinity might just be the champion processor for notebooks.
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post Jul 4 2011, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jul 3 2011, 07:56 PM)
Is there any news about upcoming mini itx llano board? I'm looking to build a tiny pc for the room so that I could stream from hulu. If it wasn't for this, I'd just grab a media player
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Malaysia how to stream hulu? blink.gif
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post Jul 4 2011, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jul 4 2011, 02:39 AM)
get a US VPS and install OpenVPN. Or just get some VPN in the stateside. I use a VPS at California as well as openDNS' DNS to bypass all telekom BS.
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There's a monthly fee for this right?
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Jul 4 2011, 08:10 PM)
You can mine for Bitcoins to pay for the monthly fee. You might need to learn a lot about computer security though if you don't want to get digitally robbed of your Bitcoins however.
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That bitcoins thing is just an eye-opener. I wasn't aware such a currency exists. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 5 2011, 09:49 AM

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$15 a year, that's very reasonable.

Btw, HP announced their Llano dv6 laptop already. Should be within 2k range, very tempting biggrin.gif
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post Jul 13 2011, 05:27 PM

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One minute BD said to be lagging behind Sandy Bridge. One minute... surpasses all SBs?
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post Jul 13 2011, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Jul 13 2011, 05:38 PM)
Believe such news with a grain of salt. There are no official results yet and anyone skilled with photo editing can easily fake results. By September hopefully we will have some numbers that are legit.
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Yeah... true.

Really anxious to see BD's performance. Not planning to buy the desktop, but planning to get Trinity next year if it's good. wink.gif
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post Jul 18 2011, 07:12 PM

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Such a sad little kid.

Llano laptops are not rolling out in Malaysia fast enough... hmm...
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post Aug 5 2011, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Aug 5 2011, 06:57 AM)
Sad thing is the 35w Llano is still limited to Laptop only. Oh well I already jumped ship to Zacate. Its not perfect but better than waiting AMD to come out. I guess there are reason AMD do not come out desktop version of 35W Llano, as it would kill Zacate too.
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Yeah I feel you man. I've gotta just go for Zacate too since Llano's release is just so slow.
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post Aug 6 2011, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Aug 6 2011, 04:56 PM)
Source : mydrivers.com
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Apparently, mobile platform has become AMD's recent target. Relevant products are coming out earlier too.
In 2012, we will see new generation products, again, as usual. The attraction point is enhanced Bulldozer APU.

First, at the highest end, AMD added new flagship processor (New market line), codenamed Trinity.
The CPU is powered by enhanced Bulldozer core, Piledriver. It has 4 cores (2 modules). For the GPU part, it uses the VLIW4 architecture from HD6900. but the stream processors are still unknown. This flagship product's TDP will reach 60W. Sounds like it is ridiculous, but compared to Intel's flagship, it is only 5W higher. The increment is still acceptable, but for sure, it will have much stronger processor and graphical performance.

Next, A8-3500M, A6-3400M, A4-3300M will be replaced by Trinity, Weatherford, Richlard. They are still powered by 4 cores, 4 cores, and 2 cores respectively. Since they are based on Piledriver core, they will have 2 modules, 2 modules, 1 module respectively. The GPU are seperated into Highest Performance, High Performance, Mainstream. The difference is number of stream processors and clock speed. All processor is these series has 45W or 35W TDP, same with current APU.

E2-3200M will not evolve to Piledriver, but it uses enhanced Bobcat core instead. It is codednamed as Wichita, comes with 4 cores, discrete class GPU (Maybe using the high end VLIW5 architecture) and TDP is decreased to 20W.

Current Bobcat based low power E/C series processors will replaced by Wichita, Krishna, all powered by Enhanced Bobcat core. They comes with 2 cores, simpler GPU. TDP of them are 20W and 8W respectively. The earlier 1 is slightly increased, and the last one is decreased slightly.

Until now, no news on AMD's new APU will use what naming convention. If follow the trend, it will be Ax-4000. If not, B, D, F series ( rclxub.gif ).
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Nice info there!
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post Sep 26 2011, 10:42 PM

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/leaked-...or-trinity-apu/

Trinity's release date seems really promising! Hopefully they don't delay it for too long
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post Oct 7 2011, 12:27 AM

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I'm more interested to see what can they do with Piledriver hmm.gif AMD seems to be focusing quite a lot in the mobile space lately.
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:09 AM

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The thing here is, it's not a blame game. It doesn't matter who to blame.

What matters is that the AMD processors that customers were waiting for for so long, initially people believed it will be better than Intel, then as good as Intel, then close to Intel, and when it finally came out, it's even struggling to beat the previous architecture.

Point is, customers are disappointed at the processors. It doesn't matter who fak up, customers are disappointed at the product itself.

And this goes both ways. AMD customers are disappointed because they can't get a good processor from AMD after such a long and tiring wait, and ALL computer customers will feel the impact from the lack of a strong AMD as an Intel competitor. Computer prices will be through the roof, customers will get less freedom and choice in buying processors, and Intel will be more arrogant.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who fak up what. Unless you're the company CEO and you will have to worry about that. As customers, all we can say is that we are disappointed at the product that has been just released.

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post Oct 25 2011, 10:00 PM

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Currently there are no thin and light laptops with Llano inside, don't know if that will be the case with Trinity. I think AMD should really capitalize on the thin and light market, not just the netbook market.

A lot of laptops nowadays are going towards lighter and thinner. Just look at XPS 14z, Series 7 etc.
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post Oct 26 2011, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Oct 25 2011, 10:20 PM)
Laptops are getting thinner and lighter but the Ultrabook is still somewhat a gimmick and its success is still unknown since it is priced quite high. In the case where I am looking for an ultra light notebook like that I would rather get the MacBook Air instead which comes to about the same price anyway. Also the thin and light form factor is not what makes tablets and smartphones popular, it is more of the software capabilities and the method of interaction with the device which is totally different from what a traditional notebook can provide.
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I'm not talking about ultrabooks because they use ulvs and have less functions. I was talking about thin and light form factors, more like the MacBook pro.

For example, Asus u36sd/jc, Sony VAIO sb, and newer ones like series 7. They are fully functional just like the normal, heavy laptops but they are designed in such a way that they are around 2kg or less. One of the best example would probably be Toshiba r835: full voltage processor, disk drive, and the weight is almost like ultrabook at 1.4kg, no overheating problem also.

But if we look at Llano notebooks, they are mostly heavy, weighing around 2.4kg, they are like traditional laptops which is good for the lower-end market, but laptop makers should fit AMD processors to higher-end laptops at around the 2.5k-3k range.
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post Oct 28 2011, 12:28 PM

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5026/amd-q31...ong-llano-sales

Llano sales are strong. Can they continue their success with their Piledriver platform? It remains to be seen for next year. But certainly, Q1-Q2 next year will be very interesting times for AMD indeed.
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post Mar 14 2012, 12:43 PM

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Getting Llano is more worth it or getting phenom/athlon + cheap discreet card is more worth it?

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