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sonicstream
post Oct 13 2011, 07:05 PM

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This is a review from Tom's hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-815...990fx,3043.html

It is comparable to the previous phenom II x4 980 in gaming. The Phenom II costs $170 and is based on a chip 3 years old. The FX-8150 costs $245.

In productivity it is usually on par with the i5-2500k, a 1-year old chip which costs $220.

Overall, it is a huge disappointment. Oh, peak wattage for the highest line of Bulldozer: 252W. [ What in hell? ]

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post Oct 13 2011, 07:11 PM

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http://www.tweak.dk/nyheder2.php?id=27665&...ries_mainboards

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MSI is pleased to announce that OC Genie II on the upcoming MSI AMD 9-series mainboards will support world’s most advanced automatic overclocking. With just the a single push of a button OC Genie II not only increases your processor and memory speeds, it also unlocks up to 8 CPU cores. This makes OC Genie II the simplest option to increase your performance on a MSI AMD 9-series mainboard up to 250%. MSI’s upcoming AMD 9-series mainboards are built to the highest quality standards: MIL-STD-810G certified Military Class II Components. Military Class II components give you the best efficiency and highest performance on the upcoming AMD 9-series mainboards.

MSI’s 25 years of knowledge in mainboards and over clocking has delivered some remarkable results. With  the world’s first overclockable mainboard, which was a 80286, to the simplest ease for end-users to upgrade their PC performance up to 250% with a simple push of a button.

OC Genie II performs these tasks with a single push of the button:

- Unlock hidden CPU cores
- Adjust CPU clocks (up to 8)
- Adjust CPU multiplier
- Adjust CPU voltage
- Adjust memory speed
- Adjust memory voltage.


Sucks to be AMD, but I guess now nobody's going to even consider the FX-8150 right now if those FX-4100 chips can unlock the other 2 disabled modules.

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post Oct 13 2011, 08:44 PM

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more like destroy FX-8150 sales with a single push of the button tongue.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 08:50 PM

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252W ?

WTH?
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Oct 13 2011, 08:44 PM)
more like destroy FX-8150 sales with a single push of the button tongue.gif
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Well, a lot of reviews said that the 8120 was already a better buy than the 8150.

Just a quick question: Is the integrated graphics on the AMD A8 3850 faster than a i3 2100K and GT 430?

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post Oct 13 2011, 09:11 PM

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I think all this shouting and face palming over benchmark result is due to misunderstanding and over expectation.

1. This is like a reboot of CPU architecture for AMD. Is like 1 step of many to reposition the CPU by de emphasize FPU performance. Because at the end of the road Bulldozer architecture will become one of the Fusion. I.e more emphasis on floating point calculation on the GPU.

2. That is why AMD has 4 year roadmap. And the fusion thing should happen on next year Piledriver roadmap. It sucks this year on gaming benchmark, so much pitty for early adopters. As always!

3. Bulldozer, being the first in the roadmap also means software support is not here yet. Anand tech review bring up some thread scheduling issue on the different cores of Bulldozer with Windows 7. Which should be solved by Windows 8, next year. Support in Linux kernel should be sooner (just my opinion) since Linux is popular as server.

4. Which bring this to my next point. AMD need to "cari makan" also right? With Intel being so powerful in the main stream performance CPU market. Will be very high risk for AMD to go head to head with Intel in that particular market. If "untung sabut" then everything is good. If "untung batu". How then? So this time around (again this is my opinion) they put a CPU that will sell good at that price to the servers market. Hedging that server market (with premium margin) will support further effort to tune the architecture for Desktop in the next iteration.

5. Untill then, looks like AMD trying to promote the Bulldozer to enthusias as over clocking friendly CPU. Really have no idea whether this is good or not. But personally I won't have some thing that hot and eats lots of electricity in my house!

So I hope what I wrote above can give you guys a better perspective. Do understand that there is a lot of disappointment (me too!). But this has to happen before AMD really can get competitive again.

Unfortunately this means it sucks to be early adopter OR it is another wait. But we have a similar wait with Phenom -> Phenom II right? So what is another year.

Cheers!
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:25 PM

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Next year, AMD will be competing with Ivy Bridge 22nm with 3D transistors. It won't be easy.
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:33 PM

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Yah, they be fighting with 22nm Three gate field transistor based CPU, but it also happened to be the first of its kind, problem could show up who knows
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:47 PM

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As long as price per performance is okay. Which is what we are seeing how AMD is competing nowadays.

For sure new technology from Intel won't be cheap. At least we know Bulldozer is around USD250 today. Next year will perhaps go down to sub USD200.

Definitely there will be people who will go for top performance no matter what is the cost. And I salute those guys with deeps pocket for driving the technology up. While letting us normal people do the exact same thing with cost effective processor.


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post Oct 13 2011, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(haris @ Oct 13 2011, 09:47 PM)
As long as price per performance is okay. Which is what we are seeing how AMD is competing nowadays.

For sure new technology from Intel won't be cheap. At least we know Bulldozer is around USD250 today. Next year will perhaps go down to sub USD200.

Definitely there will be people who will go for top performance no matter what is the cost. And I salute those guys with deeps pocket for driving the technology up. While letting us normal people do the exact same thing with cost effective processor.
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but now, the price : performance ratio does not justify either.
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(haris @ Oct 13 2011, 09:11 PM)
I think all this shouting and face palming over benchmark result is due to misunderstanding and over expectation.

1. This is like a reboot of CPU architecture for AMD. Is like 1 step of many to reposition the CPU by de emphasize FPU performance. Because at the end of the road Bulldozer architecture will become one of the Fusion. I.e more emphasis on floating point calculation on the GPU.

2. That is why AMD has 4 year roadmap. And the fusion thing should happen on next year Piledriver roadmap. It sucks this year on gaming benchmark, so much pitty for early adopters. As always!

3. Bulldozer, being the first in the roadmap also means software support is not here yet. Anand tech review bring up some thread scheduling issue on the different cores of Bulldozer with Windows 7. Which should be solved by Windows 8, next year. Support in Linux kernel should be sooner (just my opinion) since Linux is popular as server.

4. Which bring this to my next point. AMD need to "cari makan" also right? With Intel being so powerful in the main stream performance CPU market. Will be very high risk for AMD to go head to head with Intel in that particular market.  If "untung sabut" then everything is good. If "untung batu". How then? So this time around (again this is my opinion) they put a CPU that will sell good at that price to the servers market. Hedging that server market (with premium margin) will support further effort to tune the architecture for Desktop in the next iteration.

5. Untill then, looks like AMD trying to promote the Bulldozer to enthusias as over clocking friendly CPU. Really have no idea whether this is good or not. But personally I won't have some thing that hot and eats lots of electricity in my house!

So I hope what I wrote above can give you guys a better perspective. Do understand that there is a lot of disappointment (me too!). But this has to happen before AMD really can get competitive again.

Unfortunately this means it sucks to be early adopter OR it is another wait. But we have a similar wait with Phenom -> Phenom II right? So what is another year.

Cheers!
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I like the way you respond to this new AMD bulldozer. I'm also one of old AMD user. although i very very upset with the new AMD CPU, but still, i feel that, there is the hope for the AMD. I also hoping that, sales person that handling CPU selling or DIY selling, not to pushing Intel product.. smile.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 13 2011, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(eddyTech03 @ Oct 13 2011, 10:28 PM)
I like the way you respond to this new AMD bulldozer. I'm also one of old AMD user. although i very very upset with the new AMD CPU, but still, i feel that, there is the hope for the AMD. I also hoping that, sales person that handling CPU selling or DIY selling, not to pushing Intel product.. smile.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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But we got to admit that many will choose intel when they are building a new rig withn end of this year
but of course there are people who lacks of knowledge buy bulldozer procs just because its brand news+amazing discount given by seller
so all we have to do is pray that its enough to make they operational smoothly for another development
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(Neo|ofGeo @ Oct 13 2011, 10:36 PM)
But we got to admit that many will choose intel when they are building a new rig withn end of this year
but of course there are people who lacks of knowledge buy bulldozer procs just because its brand news+amazing discount given by seller
so all we have to do is pray that its enough to make they operational smoothly for another development
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I just hope there's that many people who factor x264 as the most important benchmark.....

We're paying the price for AMD's server first and only approach with processor design right now.
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QUOTE(billytong @ Oct 13 2011, 04:06 PM)
The only last hope they have is like what Anandtech said, to repeat the success of Pentium 4 northwood. pentium 4 northwood does beat the AthlonXP by seer amount of extra GHz without hitting the power consumption too much. It actually fix what Willamate Pentium 4 cant do. Not until Prescott Pentium 4, Intel just broke their own arm by increasing the pipeline further in Prescott. Infact Intel manage to increase the pipeline of Prescott without sacrificing the IPC, but unfortunately they ignore the heat and power wall they gonna hit when they reach 3.8GHz. In this case they have to rely on the mature 32nm global foundry tech or may be even smaller to archive it.

BD should have clock @ 4GHz+ not 3.6GHz. If they have release BD 1000MHz extra @ 125w TDP from now. nobody will have complain.
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They'll hit power and thermal walls quite soon if they follow through with this.I mean,look at the FX-8150,it's already gobbling down massive amounts of power on stock as it is.
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QUOTE(Racerx @ Oct 13 2011, 11:37 PM)
They'll hit power and thermal walls quite soon if they follow through with this.I mean,look at the FX-8150,it's already gobbling down massive amounts of power on stock as it is.
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That is probably more of a sign of immature 32nm work. The power consumption will probably improve by Piledriver. If it doesn't improve by then, or by the following refresh, then Bulldozer probably would be a dead end.
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so far, no stock of FX processor arrive. My order has been delayed, perhaps a week

lets hope when we got the invoice, the price is really lower
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Overclock3D's AMD FX Bulldozer 8150 8 Core Review video...

He also talks on AMD's briefing on overclocking caveats. wink.gif

Other interesting reviews that came in late...

- PC Perspective » Reviews » AMD FX-8150 Processor Review - Can Bulldozer Unearth an AMD Victory?
- Guru3D » Hardware reviews » Processors » AMD FX 8150 - 8120 - 6100 and 4100 performance review
- HT4U.net: AMD Bulldozer FX in the full test - The lame horse
- HEXUS.net - CPU - Review - AMD FX-8150 at 4.7GHz. Does it stand tall?
- TweakTown USA Edition > Articles > CPU, APU & Chipsets > AMD FX-8150 vs. Intel i7-2600k CrossFireX HD 6970 x3 Head-to-Head

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Any FX8120 or any other lower range is being tested? I'm very interested to see how much OC potential this baby have. It seems the 32nm is kind of unmature; OC above 4ghz the power consumption increase substantially, lots of leakage it seems. Hope the lower range do not suffer from this

CPU and GPU are not in same game league, Radeon HD30xx & HD40xx success is very difficult to be duplicated in these case. GPU depends a lot of the driver. Hopefully launch of window 8 or some other workaround able to boost the per core performance for AMD.

Hopefully the next iteration will be push forward and make a good optimization to boost the per core performance.
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QUOTE(lex @ Oct 14 2011, 06:01 AM)
refer to guru3d benchmark even fx4100 still way to far at behind >< i thinks only can consider as alternative to i3 but not i5 for sure ><
Hai hope my Q6600 can last long till next year to see how amd perform (he is seriously bottleneck my 560TI ><

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QUOTE(haris @ Oct 13 2011, 09:47 PM)
As long as price per performance is okay. Which is what we are seeing how AMD is competing nowadays.

For sure new technology from Intel won't be cheap. At least we know Bulldozer is around USD250 today. Next year will perhaps go down to sub USD200.

Definitely there will be people who will go for top performance no matter what is the cost. And I salute those guys with deeps pocket for driving the technology up. While letting us normal people do the exact same thing with cost effective processor.
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Price/performance? It seems Intel are better now. With i5 2500K selling just above RM600. IMO, if AMD wanna hit the price/performance mark, + given their shit power consumption, FX-8150 should have sell @ Rm500+ not RM900+.

There is simply no reason to buy AMD now, since Intel come out Sandy bridge, AMD isnt price/performance anymore. We got expensive 1100T, then the useless Llano, now bulldozer. All overpriced.

QUOTE(eddyTech03 @ Oct 13 2011, 10:28 PM)
I like the way you respond to this new AMD bulldozer. I'm also one of old AMD user. although i very very upset with the new AMD CPU, but still, i feel that, there is the hope for the AMD. I also hoping that, sales person that handling CPU selling or DIY selling, not to pushing Intel product.. smile.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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No I am hoping the salesman is telling the truth. AMD is product bad and expensive now, AMD ripping off their customer now. It is the truth.

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