AES Benchmark.

Anyway, I wonder where they get 1.57.1 

He didn't mean the Max TDP window is fake. He meant the value might be fake.

No gaming test yet.
Hopefully it is as fast as i5-2500 in gaming.
Woops, faster than i7 2600K in 3DMark.
AMD claims the performance clown again? 

Editor's note: The original source of the information that Donanim Haber published this week on the alleged AMD Bulldozer engineering sample has admitted that the information was faked. Many sites were fooled by this information, including Ars, particularly because the results were plausible and fit the information we had about Bulldozer so far.

Of course price matters especially when price/performance matters. I would definitely not pay $1000 for a BD knowing how would it perform. It is no where near in the range of the LGA2011 so I would say price here definitely is an important factor no matter what you pay for. The price that I have stated there take it with a grain of salt. That is why I labeled it 'rumor' because it has OBR all over it and my assumption here is that it should price similar or more expensive than Core i7 2600K.

It will definitely perform as good or better than Intel that I can be certain of but my assumption is only limited to heavily threaded applications and not single threaded applications. AMD would have to change it sooner or later and the very old socket is becoming of a bottleneck. It is either they make a switch now or never but I do agree that it would be a waste to have such a short lifespan. As for IB, nobody is 100% sure whether the Cougar Point chipsets would limit users or LGA1155 will still be used but Panther Point is a requirement to use IB.

The current programming model has poor multicore support and rewrite or recompile is necessary. That is why there are programming languages like OpenCL to simplify and make better use of multicore without diminishing returns.

It depends but more and more programs are getting on the bandwagon to utilize more cores as they possibly could despite the difficulty posed by making a program to be multithreaded. Definitely not all programs will benefit from OpenCL or could benefit from OpenCL but developers are getting there soon. OpenCL is quite a recent development and not as common as the C language but it is quite similar to C in terms of writing so I think it wouldn't be too much trouble for developers to learn it.

Llano and the whole Fusion concept will only become more popular if AMD manages to work with developers to push the development of GPU accelerated programs. They are trying and some software developers are making GPGPU accelerated software but if they fail then the Fusion platform is a flop.

Last time GPUs are meant to push pixels but as time goes by we get GPUs that are becoming more and more multipurpose. That is what CPUs are today, they are multipurpose and no fixed function logic compared to last time and that is what makes modern CPU what it is today. We all know that AMD is pushing their GPUs to be morecompute intensive and more like a general purpose processor compared to pushing pixels, becoming much more like CUDA cores. GPUs these days are plenty powerful no thanks to console counterparts slowing down development so GPU compute is another market to tap.

CUDA was good but since it is proprietary to Nvidia, development is slow as with any closed source software. Make it open source like OpenCL then we can see development becomes faster. There are already AMD APP accelerated software, I forgot where is the link already but you can search through this thread, I have posted something about Cyberlink before. As with any programming language, it takes time before it becomes popular(if). We'll have to see the market's adoption rate towards GPU accelerated programs and web browser GPU acceleration is a good start.

Follow the oBrbvsky blog test result
Performce is between i5 2500k and x6 1090t......
Abit sad on the result...

They have fallen behind quite a bit but we cannot compare what most consumers are willing to pay nowadays since most are quite thrifty after the recession.

C language is not optimized for multithreaded so a rewrite to OpenCL is definitely necessary. They are few now but I'm sure they will be more popular as it gains momentum. I'll see how C++0x deals with parallelism.

I wish I have extra time to read through Nvidia's 61 pages and AMD's 142 pages of the OpenCL programming guide. 

Give it some time. AMD is a small player and when Intel adopts OpenCL, we'll see a lot of OpenCL programs. In fact Intel has their OpenCL SDK already. 

I agree that not all can be GPGPU accelerated but some workloads can be done by the GPU. Scaling for CPU performance with # of cores is pretty bad especially if the code written for it is not optimized for multicore.

Nvidia is the current leader for such standards no doubt about that. AMD is just starting with their HD7000 series or their current iteration of their GPU architecture is more compute based.

Not forgetting LYN

AMD FX-8120 Bulldozer 3.1Ghz stock 3.4Ghz Turbo

Cause they are not officially allowed to leak benchmark..

Our team in Taiwan have obtained a sample of the latest B2 revision (rumored retail stepping) of the enthusiast targeted AMD "Bulldozer" FX-8120 (8-core 3.1GHz codenamed "Zambezi" chip) and ran a few benchmarks on it to see how it fared in multithreaded scenarios.

Found this just now: Zambezi vs Sandy Bridge - SiSoft Sandra benchmarks

But lex did suggested that the BD 8-core performed worse than the Phenom II 6-core. I haven't checked what are the X6's scores though.

http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2011-09-09/...big_supers.html

Seems like HPC customers are already buying up Interlagos CPUs. I take that as Bulldozer outperforming the current microarchitecture.

wow, 8.4GHz on 2.016v.

It didn't told much, and its in chinese 

In the infamous hotel room two blocks away from IDF, AMD is our first official benchmark results of the AMD FX "Bulldozer" processor shown. Since both tests are presumably carefully chosen for the new platform to put in a good light, we can based on these numbers no conclusions. Yet we want the results do not remember.

First they showed a comparison between a new unspecified AMD FX processor and an unspecified Intel processor i5 Sandy Bridge, with the help of the program Handbrake a video of 5 minutes is converted to H.264 video in SD resolution. The AMD FX processor with eight cores perform this function with an average of 223 frames per second, the i5 with four cores came in at 188 fps. Both systems will be comparable in price according to AMD, which it wants to show that AMD a better price / performance offering. That may be the case, but who has a more negative view would conclude that AMD is looking to double the number of cores needs to less than 20% better performance available.

In the second demonstration showed up one game in three Dirt 2560x1600 resolution, running on two Radeon HD 6790 cards in Crossfire. In one system, the cards are combined with an Intel Core i7 980X, in the second system with an AMD FX processor. The Intel machine could produce an average of 80.9 fps, the AMD machine averaged 82.8 fps. The much cheaper AMD FX processor is faster than the Core i7 980X - if you want to show - though we should really stick through it: Dirt 3 to this resolution and the chosen card is very GPU thus limited. The extra 2 fps of the AMD-101 system can be explained ways, all of which are not necessarily traceable to CPU performance.

For real benchmarks, we'll have to wait for the AMD FX processors actually available. Fortunately, that probably will not take too long.

However revealed also a working laptop with AMD processor Trinity, the next generation AMD APU based on Bulldozer cores and a next generation GPU. Trinity middle of next year will reach the market.


Intel vs. AMD ... Fight!


AMD's laptop Trinity demo

their fps are close, maybe gpu bottleneck also.

Bulldozer Official Benchmark Result :
Handbrake :
Bulldozer : 223FPS | i5 2500 : 188FPS

So its actually like i5/i7 instead of having 8 physical cores? 

Why is there still an on going discussion of core's modules.........

I don't give a rats ass what Marketing calls the chip.

AMD's patent draws a clear picture. They say a picture says a 1000 words right? AMD's own picture for there own patent.

Note core 100 not module 100 aka core 0, and then inside core 0 is 2 clusters A and B.

Case closed.

I wonder if you mind explaining a little on the picture, I don't really get it(not really good at hardware part       )      

AMD's processor architecture Bulldozers have been a long roller-coaster with delays and silence from AMD. AMD has not been able to offer other than silence, but in conversation with one of the employees of AMD confirmed that the FX series begun mass production and that the launch should not be too far away.

AMD was first to have launched its FX-series processors in the second quarter of this year, something that had to be postponed to a later date. Instead, they promised one within 60 - 90 days June 1, therefore, that by August something we all know did not occur. The next rumor was September, but we do not know will happen.

NordicHardware have now got hold of more concrete information on Bulldozers from one of its employees. We asked about what has actually been going in recent months with the FX series and why AMD has given us nothing but total silence. The answer was somewhat alarming, AMD has not even themselves know where they could launch the FX series, so they simply have not had anything to say to the media about it.

The situation remains very uncertain in AMD and you do not really know when the launch will take place, but mass production of AMD "Bulldozer" FX series has begun. As it stands today, hope AMD internally at a launch in 4-5 weeks. The latest rumors talk about a launch October 13 and in view of the 4 - 5 weeks we have heard directly from AMD, it may very well be true.


The test system with the FX 8150 AMD showed off

We also got the chance to briefly sit by a system equipped with 8-core processor, the FX-8150 with a clock speed of 3.6 GHz with a turbo mode at 4.2 GHz. Because of the very limited time period so we had time only to run the obsolete SuperPi 1.5 and wPrime 2:05. Unfortunately, the results far out to be something that represents the final product so take this information with a large pinch of salt.

In the obsolete SuperPi took 20.992 seconds to figure out a million decimal places. Given that Bulldozer is a completely new architecture, it is very possible that AMD has chosen not to do further optimization for x87 code. Then we should not forget that SuperPi is no longer a reliable indicator of performance, but it is much worse compared to previous AMD processors.

In the newer and more interesting wPrime 2:05 to get the CPU a final score of 15.815 seconds. We have reason to believe that this is not true, as Bulldozers in such cases would perform roughly equivalent to AMD A6-3650, according to our own tests. The odd, or should we say really bad performance figures may be due to several different things. But something that is likely is that the processor has either an older stepping, or the BIOS, the computer had not arrived with the latest AGES code from AMD.

Although performance figures are not the most credible, we can confirm one thing: If all goes as planned with AMD is launching the new FX series within 4-5 weeks. We should also then get the green light in on the new flagship from AMD has been worth the long wait. AMD still say they expect the FX series is the world's fastest consumer processor.

If they got something good to show, they probably show it by now. Multiple delays + no official performance showcase = more likely the product is a failure. It make no sense for not showing a great performance of bulldozer(if it is true) to cannibalize the sales of SB.

I have somewhat agree with u at some points u said, trump card is best not to show too early, but the situation is diff now. SB is selling like hotcakes, if u are AMD if u got something good, u could showed it by now.(hey wait we got something better dont buy SB yet). It is already within +/- 1-2 months from release, there is no way Intel can come up something better this quick. So IMO it is actually better for AMD to show some real performance figures than hiding everything. Remember they are showing their bobcat openly prior of launch? Why not bulldozer?

Exactly, we not even count that the 1yr old SB 32nm can go up to 3.8GHz easily with stock volt. Intel could easily launch a 3.8GHz SB if they wanted to, Ivy bridge is around the corner, it could easily reach 4GHz+ if Intel are really pushing it.

If Bulldozer want to win this competition they have to have clock for clock performance and also able to scale up to 4GHz+ together. Otherwise they should just rename it to Phenom II X8

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,837552/B...ie/?iid=1555077

Not sure if serious benchmarks, as OBR leaked a batch of fake benchmarks to Donanimhaber before.

Sources among retailers told DonanimHaber that retail prices of AMD's next generation performance desktop processor series, the AMD FX, are a lot lower than expected. On October 12, AMD will launch three new parts worldwide, the eight-core FX-8150, FX-8120, and six-core FX-6120, priced at US $245, $205, and $175, respectively.

The price of Core i7 2600K is not a constant. It has been steadily decreasing since it was first launched and Core i7 2700K when launched will be priced at the original price of Core i7 2600K at release a few months ago, not at the current price of Core i7 2600K hence what I mean by higher price. The quality of the processor can also drop at the end of the lifetime of the product as they shift their attention, equipment and resources for the newer product.

Will prices in Malaysia be similar to overseas? Hoping it won't be overpriced here

From reliable anonymous source has informed that as of today Hardware.info the first AMD FX-8120 Bulldozer processors ready to be made ​​in the European distribution centers for shipment. In the preview we have already discussed that the bulldozer is based on a new processor architecture. AMD architecture has again completely from the ground up, and the architecture is in fact the successor to the K8 architecture in the Athlon 64 processor was introduced.

For the first time in years AMD is set to really start executing on the CPU side. Although Bulldozer has faced significant delays, Brazos and Llano were both warmly received and all indications point to Trinity showing up in early 2012 with even more competitive performance than Llano. AMD has also committed to a 12-month cadence for all of its major product lines, meaning we'll see significant updates to APUs and GPUs yearly.

In the midst of what could very well be AMD's turnaround on the CPU side, its current Products Group General Manager, Rick Bergman, has announced that he is leaving the company. As always no real details are provided but Rick was instrumental in helping stage ATI's comeback as a player in the GPU space if you recall from The RV770 Story.

Bergman will be sorely missed at AMD. Hopefully he won't stray too far from this industry though.

AMD Fires Rick Bergman Under Cloud of Mystery
Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President and General Manager at AMD has been fired according to HardOCP sources. AMD has given no reason as to why the well seasoned Bergman was leaving his position. It was told to us that Bergman had interviewed for the just-filled CEO position months back at AMD and had been turned down. Since then we have been lead to understand that AMD has lowered the boom on Bergman for not managing the GlobalFoundries relationship properly. Sources tell us that GlobalFoundries is simply not up to the task of supplying AMD its needed parts and Bergman is first in line when it comes to the responsibility of making sure AMD is sourced properly. We understand that Bergman will be the first of the dominoes to fall.

I first met Rick a bit over 10 years ago. Rick was a hell of a nice guy and we wish him the best.

" guru3d shows some benchmark for AMD FX 8150

http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-fx-8150-clo...core-i7-2600k-/

claim to be on par with i7980x and i72600k