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post Oct 12 2011, 08:51 PM

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I'll cross my fingers and hope that AMD will be able to get back on track as a manufacturer of best bang for bucks CPU. Not that I want to return back to AMD ( which I probably won't for quite a long time ), but I don't want to pay RM1500 for an Intel Core i3 ( assuming that they're still going to use such a name ). cry.gif

All hope's not lost for AMD anyway. Reduced profit is better than little to no profit, so they better make a smart move now to save themselves from collapsing smile.gif.
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post Oct 12 2011, 09:07 PM

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Somehow I feel this new architecture is just a beginning for AMD. They say it scales pretty well when u go into more cores etc.

This was just the 1st batch of a new design. They got more plans and stuff ahead so perhaps, that was their plan.
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post Oct 12 2011, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 12 2011, 09:07 PM)
Somehow I feel this new architecture is just a beginning for AMD. They say it scales pretty well when u go into more cores etc.

This was just the 1st batch of a new design. They got more plans and stuff ahead so perhaps, that was their plan.
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It's depending on the software too. Unless the software is optimized for multi-thread, putting more modules onto the die won't be making much difference.

Reminds me of Phenom 1st version, so I guess FX-II-8xx is the new batch? tongue.gif Anyway, they had better step up their plan fast, many people are pissed that they waited so long for such a weak show.
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post Oct 12 2011, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 12 2011, 09:07 PM)
Somehow I feel this new architecture is just a beginning for AMD. They say it scales pretty well when u go into more cores etc.

This was just the 1st batch of a new design. They got more plans and stuff ahead so perhaps, that was their plan.
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if they have done this i think maybe the faildozer bulldozer might not have failed so badly:
remove or trim down the massive L3 cache to make room for 2 more ALU in each of their "core"..

this way they can get more ipc than compared to now because right now, there are only two alu for each "core"

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post Oct 12 2011, 09:21 PM

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Guess I'll keep my X6 for now
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post Oct 12 2011, 09:44 PM

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There might be a chance if AMD recalls all bulldozer processors and report that all of them are faulty and send in the real chips
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post Oct 12 2011, 09:45 PM

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Love bulldozer, great architecture and design.
Price is wise too! thumbup.gif

Well, too bad it is AMD. rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 12 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(banks @ Oct 12 2011, 08:28 PM)
AMD should have give out the 4xxx and 6xxx for reviews too. If you can't fight with i5-2500k, at least create an image telling people that your CPUs are better than i3 or i5 2400 and below.

@yimingwuzere : was using good old E6300 before i decided to jump into Q6600, though some of my friends ask me why use a quad core when dual core is enough for games? ....that was 2 years ago. Now games use at least 2 cores. Hence my motto : more cores = good!
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It won't help.
It is very likely Intel's 2 core with HT will beat 4xxx & 6xxx out of water (considering it's already outperformed PhenomII x4 & x6 in many benchmarks).

I think AMD should stop selling the crap of hex & octa -cores.
She should have focused on developing 2 cores and 4 cores, with 50% better per-core-performance than Intel's.

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post Oct 12 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Oct 12 2011, 06:54 PM)
i'll leave this here.
this is seriously how i feel about AMD now.....



well, @ least the part about "bulldozer + fermi = electric bill would kill me" made my day....
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at least Fermi is superior than its competitor Radeon 6000 series, but Bulldozer fail to beat Sandy Bridge and bound to get killed by Ivy Bridge lolz
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 12 2011, 09:48 PM)
It won't help.
It is very likely Intel's 2 core with HT will beat 4xxx & 6xxx out of water (considering it's already outperformed PhenomII x4 & x6 in many benchmarks).

I think AMD should stop selling the crap of hex & octa -cores.
She should have focused on developing 2 cores and 4 cores, with 50% better per-core-performance than Intel's.

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Why didn't AMD think of that

I think if Bulldozer was just 6 core at max with better performance worth those 2 cores, maybe it could make a dent on Intel's SB
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QUOTE(Moongrave @ Oct 12 2011, 09:44 PM)
There might be a chance if AMD recalls all bulldozer processors and report that all of them are faulty and send in the real chips
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I'm guessing BD is actually a faulty chip bought from Intel laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Moongrave @ Oct 12 2011, 09:56 PM)
Why didn't AMD think of that

I think if Bulldozer was just 6 core at max with better performance worth those 2 cores, maybe it could make a dent on Intel's SB
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It's either AMD live in her own world or her employees screwed it up big time.

http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/08/23/%E2%8...ions-round-one/
http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/08/30/bulld...2%80%93-part-2/
http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/09/13/bulld...estions-part-3/

Big boost in performance when using single threaded applications? Great deal of power savings?
And don’t worry about the single threaded performance –we have already stated publicly that Bulldozer single threaded performance is expected to be higher than our current core architectures?
Looking at the Q&A, obviously the marketing guy just picked something from the sky. He is clueless of what the engineering team doing in the lab.


Added on October 12, 2011, 10:09 pm
QUOTE(Moongrave @ Oct 12 2011, 09:44 PM)
There might be a chance if AMD recalls all bulldozer processors and report that all of them are faulty and send in the real chips
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I hope a driver update could boost up the performance of BD by at least 50%.

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post Oct 12 2011, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 12 2011, 09:07 PM)
Somehow I feel this new architecture is just a beginning for AMD. They say it scales pretty well when u go into more cores etc.

This was just the 1st batch of a new design. They got more plans and stuff ahead so perhaps, that was their plan.
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Seen the benchmark that utilises all threads? Still below i7 2600K. So I've no idea how a new new design can beat SB-E or IB.
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post Oct 12 2011, 11:23 PM

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Kinda confuse, does "Bulldozer" processor include graphic chips? like the SB does.

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QUOTE(CultTech @ Oct 12 2011, 11:23 PM)
Kinda confuse, does "Bulldozer" processor include graphic chips? like the SB does.
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No, but thier APU "Llano" have GPU inside if im correct.
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post Oct 12 2011, 11:43 PM

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post Oct 13 2011, 12:06 AM

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Really no reason not to get a Sany it seems.

Oh well.
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post Oct 13 2011, 12:27 AM

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think better go to i7 now...
waste of time waiting for new proc...

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post Oct 13 2011, 02:20 AM

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waited so long for this bulldozer jst to find there's not so much difference performance with my X6 haish...dissapointed wait, Power consumption chugged alot of watts under full load
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quote taken from AMD on BD "AMD also shared with us that Windows 7 isn't really all that optimized for Bulldozer, Windows 7's scheduler isn't aware of Bulldozer's architecture and as a result sort of places threads wherever it sees fit, regardless of optimal placement Windows 8 is expected to correct this"


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post Oct 13 2011, 06:56 AM

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I'm using Athlon X2 4200+ ... runs most apps ok but not as fast as I want sometimes sluggish

was hoping bulldozer will be impressive... but its ok AMD try again I will wait for Bulldozer2, should be out early next year right?

I don care about having the fastest, just fast enough to run everything available today @ good price...

hope "AMD the smarter choice" will get back its meaning soon! NEVER INTEL, I will wait AMD just get busy and make a nice chip Ktkxbye

what about the improvements seen in windows 8?

what if bulldozer is not really bad, just that the software needs updates to use the new functions/hardware acceleration/whatever that is in the processor??

theres hope for some recovery?

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