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post Sep 25 2011, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(shojikun @ Sep 25 2011, 09:52 PM)
happy.gif" guru3d shows some benchmark for AMD FX 8150

http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-fx-8150-clo...core-i7-2600k-/

claim to be on par with i7980x and i72600k
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70$ cheaper than the Intel Core i7 2600K and as fast / faster? If this is confirmed then I don't mind postponing my upgrade plans to a later date in October brows.gif.
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post Sep 25 2011, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 25 2011, 11:05 PM)
Some of those questionable slides (from Donanimhaber again, are these real?) are pretty odd. Especially when comparing system prices with a Core i7 980X setup rather than a Core i7 2600K or Core i5 2500K setup. And then comparing multi-threaded benchmarks with a Core i7 2600K and Core i5 2500K only, while leaving out the Core i7 980X?  unsure.gif

Even a few of the percentage scores in those benchmarks are wrong, in particular wPrime 32m for Core i7 2600K is around 42% to 48% faster than Core i5 2500K (references: HardOCP, Legit Reviews and Bittech). Another one is ABBYY Finereader 10 results (reference Tom's Hardware). hmm.gif
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hmm.gif. Going by my calculations and according to [H]ARDOCP, an Intel Core i7 2600K is about 29.88% or 30% faster than an Intel Core i5 2500K hmm.gif. Perhaps I have gotten my calculations wrong? tongue.gif

Anyway, even if it's not 42% faster the benchmarks do indeed seem rather suspicious with those mistakes hmm.gif.
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post Sep 27 2011, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(soulseeker6187 @ Sep 27 2011, 11:54 AM)
Average consumer dont really care about clock speed. as long as the price/performace is great. it will sell well.
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That is a big negative biggrin.gif.

The "average consumers" are usually people who do not know a lot about computer hardware and would rather buy and use, also known as "plug & play" in a figurative way biggrin.gif. Most of these type of consumers would priotize processors with a high clock speed because theoretically the bigger the GHz, the better the performance. What they don't know is that there are other factors which affect the performance of a processor, which would not allow them to get the best of the best for their budget. Other than priotizing high-clock speed processors, they would also go for a processor with a bigger core count if possible smile.gif.
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post Sep 28 2011, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Sep 27 2011, 10:36 PM)
Good point, but then the "avarage customers" won't even consider AMD, they trust brand more than anything else (price/performance). We have to admit that Intel really did a good job on marketing.
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This can be applied for Intel processors too. You can take an Intel Core i7 2600 / 2600K and an Intel Core i7 990X as an example smile.gif. The former is better than the latter in the majority of stuff except applications which can utilize more than 4 cores / threads well. The i7 990X has a slightly higher clock speed and two extra cores icon_rolleyes.gif.
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post Oct 9 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Oct 9 2011, 04:31 PM)
so when can we buy it @LYP? i am planning to buy a new rig for bf3 tongue.gif
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The release date has already been stated, which would be the 12th of October. smile.gif

Apparently the retail stores are already getting stock for the new processors, so by the 12th of October they should have already gotten quite a bit of the new processors and you should be able to buy it then on that day.
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post Oct 10 2011, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(kevink82 @ Oct 10 2011, 02:25 PM)
Keke i think owikh talking to me lol, well i do accept the fact bulldozer is slower than sandy bridge nothing probably will change that...

Just i dont think in my daily life will be affect by it, since i do play game at ultra high res and no having super duper high benchmark score doesnt necessary mean better gaming experience as i found out with my quad sli setup.
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While you're right that processor performance at high resolutions may not matter much, eventually the much more powerful processor will prevail as more and more games come out. You don't just want to buy a processor enough to last for several new games before losing the required horsepower.

If the FX-8150 is indeed confirmed to be slower / way slower than the i7 2600K when every results have been released fully on its release date, then the only thing I'd say that can save it is its price. Currently it doesn't look really enticing though especially with claims that the retailers are intending to price it at over RM900, close to an Intel Core i7 2600K.

Anyway, SLI requires tweaking and constant checks to keep it in place. Quad SLI hasn't been a very popular option for most as in many cases it can actually be worst than a triple SLI set up due to scaling issues.
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post Oct 11 2011, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(jiraiya77 @ Oct 11 2011, 02:59 PM)
waiting for the review from the xpert.is it worth to choose amd fx over i5 2400.
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Gaming wise it may not be worth choosing an FX processor over an Intel Core i5 2400 if the highest end Bulldozer processor, the FX-8150, is really slower than an Intel Core i5 2500K for such a matter. In terms of multi-threaded applications, it will probably be better.
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post Oct 11 2011, 03:41 PM

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By theory, if an FX-8150 is slower than an Intel Core i5 2500K in gaming, then the lower end processors would probably be worse. While the FX processors are pretty good overclockers, the price is what sets them back. By referring to lingloong's price list, something like the FX-6100 already costs RM639. I would gladly pay an extra RM20 ( following Viewnet's price ) for an Intel Core i5 2500K for the promise of being able to overclock to over 4.5GHz as well as the promise of having a better gaming performance at stock speed.

Add-on : The above applies only if the leaked results are true. Otherwise take my statement with a grain of salt until it is really confirmed. smile.gif

QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Oct 11 2011, 03:34 PM)
I'm not trying to deny the possibility that the Bulldozer processors may actually beat the current Sandy Bridge processors available by a big margin, but judging by the way the person wrote his findings I am forced to take his findings with a pinch of salt as I sense that his testing is bias / certain level of fanboyism included in the testing :


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It's hilariously overclockable. Jury-rigging the biggest heatsink I could find, a ~7 year old Coolermaster Hyper6+ (which doesn't fit AM2/3) hacked into a pretty cheap Gigabyte GA990XA-UD3, I got 4.85 GHz out of it. At that kind of clock, the 2500K was looking for its parents with tears in its eyes, losing out on single threaded benchmarks by 10% and multithreads...


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post Oct 11 2011, 08:46 PM

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10% drop in price I'd say, is rather ambitious biggrin.gif.
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post Oct 12 2011, 02:25 PM

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While I expected the Bulldozer processors to have a bad gaming performance compared to Sandy Bridge processors, I never imagined that in some cases it can be so bad, for example the FX-8150 only obtains 32 FPS in Civilization V, 3 FPS less than an Intel Core i5 760, or 92FPS, 7FPS less than an Intel Core i5 760 in "no render" mode. It's quite a sad news, especially for solid AMD fans hmm.gif .

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post Oct 12 2011, 08:51 PM

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I'll cross my fingers and hope that AMD will be able to get back on track as a manufacturer of best bang for bucks CPU. Not that I want to return back to AMD ( which I probably won't for quite a long time ), but I don't want to pay RM1500 for an Intel Core i3 ( assuming that they're still going to use such a name ). cry.gif

All hope's not lost for AMD anyway. Reduced profit is better than little to no profit, so they better make a smart move now to save themselves from collapsing smile.gif.
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post Oct 13 2011, 01:09 PM

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That's pretty nice biggrin.gif. But to be honest people would still choose an Intel Core i5 2500K over the FX-8150 unless the latter's price is lowered substantially. An average of 51.3 FPS ( at ultra settings 1920x1200, mind you ) is already pretty good. What's more is that it ( i5 2500K ) achieved a minimum of 41FPS, which is recommended for a smooth gameplay.

But strangely, an Intel Core i7 2600K at 4.8GHz managing only a maximum of 72 FPS versus an Intel Core i5 2500K at 4.8GHz with a maximum FPS of 87? Doesn't seem too logical, or perhaps optimization issues like what beta games usually suffer from. smile.gif
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QUOTE(AlanSiew @ Oct 13 2011, 02:18 PM)
so AMD Bulldozer FX-8150 better or Intel Sandy Bridge i7-2600K better now? Quite confuse now! blink.gif
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Maybe for Battlefield 3 the FX-8150 performs well, but for the majority of the games the Intel Sandy Bridge processors are still much faster. smile.gif But still for the i7 2600K to lose 5FPS when overclocked to 4.8GHz compared to stock speed, it doesn't seem right smile.gif.

QUOTE(AlanSiew @ Oct 13 2011, 02:40 PM)
Then really wasted lof of my time for waiting this Bulldozer.Zzz sleep.gif TDUEnthusiast, u already changed Asus Sabertooth P67 mobo. brows.gif
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The Bulldozer processors aren't entirely useless though. If they're priced much cheaper than they are now they would still probably sell. And well, yes, I have gotten it ( Sabertooth ) tongue.gif. But I don't have time to do a review yet, let alone any ideas on what to write. laugh.gif

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post Oct 14 2011, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Oct 14 2011, 12:33 PM)
Hard to say for sure, they already have the roadmap for the IB anyway so I doubt Intel will delay... besides AMD's BD actually beat the i7 on the gaming front so it won't be long for them to catch up if Intel stays stagnant

Actually the only thing preventing us from praising AMD now is the pricepoint of the new CPU... if the tech is priced similarly or lower than the i5 2500K then I'd imagine a lot of ppl interested with the 8150
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Since when did that happen? hmm.gif
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post Oct 14 2011, 01:28 PM

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CPUs are bench'd with games on low resolutions since they will be the biggest bottleneck at such resolutions.


QUOTE(dma0991 @ Oct 12 2011, 12:17 PM)
But it's also true that at higher resolutions the processor doesn't matter much. Then again, it will show what are the processors really like in games when the load start increasing on them.

The majority of the reviews above show the FX-8150 losing pretty badly or losing to an Intel Core i7 2600K and even an Intel Core i5 2500K.

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