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post Oct 13 2011, 07:32 AM

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post Oct 13 2011, 07:33 AM

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Bulldozer actually looks good as it inline to the kind of workloads I do often - lots of integer calculation.


The only disappointment is the power consumption.

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post Oct 13 2011, 07:56 AM

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i think AMD's heading for entreprise market instead...
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hey guys,i really need your opinions..i'm clueless on what to do now,i already have a 990fx board for months now,i dont wanna have to change to sb coz then i'd have to buy a new board as well and thats gonna cost a lot..should i just buy a bulldozer just to complete my setup,or should i just change to intel? its still gonna be an upgrade for me tho,currently using a phenom ii x3 710. -was really hoping bulldozer would blow my mind,but it didnt sad.gif

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post Oct 13 2011, 08:28 AM

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I'd stick with Amd Phenom II unless there's a big improvement in gaming on the bulldozer which when it came time to play games the BD FX range was really no better than the Phenom II. Making me to wonder how well is the BD 6100 FX performs against Phenom II X6 hmm.gif

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QUOTE(najmul @ Oct 13 2011, 08:02 AM)
hey guys,i really need your opinions..i'm clueless on what to do now,i already have a 990fx board for months now,i dont wanna have to change to sb coz then i'd have to buy a new board as well and thats gonna cost a lot..should i just buy a bulldozer just to complete my setup,or should i just change to intel? its still gonna be an upgrade for me tho,currently using a phenom ii x3 710. -was really hoping bulldozer would blow my mind,but it didnt sad.gif
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well for me if u want save some buck u can stick with bulldozer but not for now because of insane price. Wait a while for the price to drop to level that consider fair compare to US.

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post Oct 13 2011, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 12 2011, 05:28 PM)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Bulldoz...ps-203267.shtml
This could be the reason.
It was initially running @ 2.5GHz (3.5GHz turbo mode).
The performance could be so bad until it did not make a single sense to market it at all.
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Then AMD should've stopped the hype telling people that it's a FX revive.. AMD keep claiming that the performance will be mind blowing..
Yes, is indeed mindblowing, in a different way though.
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post Oct 13 2011, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(najmul @ Oct 13 2011, 08:02 AM)
hey guys,i really need your opinions..i'm clueless on what to do now,i already have a 990fx board for months now,i dont wanna have to change to sb coz then i'd have to buy a new board as well and thats gonna cost a lot..should i just buy a bulldozer just to complete my setup,or should i just change to intel? its still gonna be an upgrade for me tho,currently using a phenom ii x3 710. -was really hoping bulldozer would blow my mind,but it didnt sad.gif
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wait for enhanced bulldozer, i think it will come out by beginning of 2012...

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ur CPU is good enough for most things now.. unless u r into very heavy gaming.. just wait smile.gif

all people blame and curse AMD, not knowing that global foundaries (the fab company amd uses) had serious issues, and bulldozer was one of the victims..

AMD always comes back ...

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post Oct 13 2011, 09:08 AM

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Just go on with PII and wait for Bulldozer 2 and see how it goes for now
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(izzat80 @ Oct 13 2011, 08:52 AM)
wait for enhanced bulldozer, i think it will come out by beginning of 2012...

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ur CPU is good enough for most things now.. unless u r into very heavy gaming.. just wait  smile.gif

all people blame and curse AMD, not knowing that global foundaries (the fab company amd uses) had serious issues, and bulldozer was one of the victims..

AMD always comes back ...

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pfft.. u mean just 10% improvement on performance next year? while SB is already 40% more efficient and powerful clock for clock compared to current BD? how many years does it take amd to have a comparable cpu compared to current SB?

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post Oct 13 2011, 09:14 AM

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AMD, im not impressed. unsure.gif

All the hype, gimmicks... sad.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:17 AM

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come on guys....atleast they did a new chip....dont need to marah2 to amd....they're working hard...lets just wait for the new gen to come out..but i think i'll just wait for the BD to price drop then i'll buy it...been waiting for long time...
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Dont forget by March 2012 Intel will release Ivy Bridge which is claimed to be 20% faster than Sandy.

The performance gap between these two will be widen by far margin, again.

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post Oct 13 2011, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Oct 13 2011, 09:10 AM)
pfft.. u mean just 10% improvement on performance next year? while SB is already 40% more efficient and powerful clock for clock compared to current BD? how many years does it take amd to have a comparable cpu compared to current SB?
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I dont know bro does it look like Im working with AMD?

I was just answering to the guy he already bought a AM3+ board and was asking what he should do..

Do you know what AMD did around the year 2003? thats when it revealed a CPU faster than the fastest intel.. it wasn't expected but they did pull it off and went way ahead of intel... it was called the FX series

intel has vast resources, amd has been losing money for a long time now. and the global foundaries mess up really hit them bad.. they are probably the cause of all the delays..

just look at BD 8120 and 8150.. the speed difference between the two chips is vast, do you know what this indicates? this tells the yeild on the 8120 units was bad, so had to be underclocked.. clearly an indication of a really messed up fabrication proccess (GLOBAL FOUNDARIES again)

from an engineering point of view, bulldozer is completely new and "IN THEORY" should have been great. but in pracise, amd has to rely on other companies to pull it together, and this case unfortunately some of its partners messed up and now everyone is shouting at amd.

and WHY OH WHY are you whining and complaining about per clock and all that? this is a stuggling company and I read what some of its people wrote.. I really hope they pull it together again, its good for everyone to have a good thriving AMD

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AMD will have no choice but to slash the price of their current BD
What worries me is the amount of power consumed when stress at OC levels, it is astonishing high doh.gif

Thanks to its 2 B transistors

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post Oct 13 2011, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Oct 12 2011, 07:54 PM)
i'll leave this here.
this is seriously how i feel about AMD now.....



well, @ least the part about "bulldozer + fermi = electric bill would kill me" made my day....
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re quoting, what had people that bought the AM3+ Motherboards earlier, guess keeping the 955BE for now, HOPE that AMD's not changing sockets for the BD-so-called-enchanced by then. doh.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(izzat80 @ Oct 13 2011, 09:19 AM)
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I dont know bro does it look like Im working with AMD?

I was just answering to the guy he already bought a AM3+ board and was asking what he should do..

Do you know what AMD did around the year 2003? thats when it revealed a CPU faster than the fastest intel.. it wasn't expected but they did pull it off and went way ahead of intel... it was called the FX series

intel has vast resources, amd has been losing money for a long time now. and the global foundaries mess up really hit them bad.. they are probably the cause of all the delays..

just look at BD 8120 and 8150.. the speed difference between the two chips is vast, do you know what this indicates? this tells the yeild on the 8120 units was bad, so had to be underclocked.. clearly an indication of a really messed up fabrication proccess (GLOBAL FOUNDARIES again)

from an engineering point of view, bulldozer is completely new and "IN THEORY" should have been great. but in pracise, amd has to rely on other companies to pull it together, and this case unfortunately some of its partners messed up and now everyone is shouting at amd.

and WHY OH WHY are you whining and complaining about per clock and all that? this is a stuggling company and I read what some of its people wrote.. I really hope they pull it together again, its good for everyone to have a good thriving AMD

The Smarter Choice  icon_rolleyes.gif
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the smarter choice cpu dont sucks twice the amount of power the competitor's cpu consume while giving a lower performance at that..
no to mention having twice the number of transistors compared to the faster and more efficient cpu..
i was hoping also that BD might give us a suprise, but now that it is not, i am now regret my decision to wait for BD before upgrading my old and trusty 3.5 years old q6600 doh.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Oct 13 2011, 09:29 AM)
the smarter choice cpu dont sucks twice the amount of power the competitor's cpu consume while giving a lower performance at that..
no to mention having twice the number of transistors compared to the faster and more efficient cpu..
i was hoping also that BD might give us a suprise, but now that it is not, i am now regret my decision to wait for BD before upgrading my old and trusty 3.5 years old q6600  doh.gif
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calm down bro.. I was just saying this speaking from a general perspective

i was so excited about bulldozer also.. but its finally out and this is all they could do..

no one ever speaks about global foundaries when the blame should at least 50% on them. They are the ones who fabricate the cpus.. amd is an engineering company it can't build the whole thing it self..

you look at things from the end user perspective, "show me the product or get out"... just listen to the story, try to know WHY THEY FAILED.. the bulldozer u see today was not AMD original plan
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(izzat80 @ Oct 13 2011, 10:34 AM)
calm down bro.. I was just saying this speaking from a general perspective

i was so excited about bulldozer also.. but its finally out and this is all they could do..

no one ever speaks about global foundaries when the blame should at least 50% on them. They are the ones who fabricate the cpus.. amd is an engineering company it can't build the whole thing it self..

you look at things from the end user perspective, "show me the product or get out"... just listen to the story, try to know WHY THEY FAILED.. the bulldozer u see today was not AMD original plan
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They should call it Phenom2PLUS instead.Down with the FX name...

Maybe its the new wimmen CEO whistling.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(Turnip @ Oct 13 2011, 09:46 AM)
They should call it Phenom2PLUS instead.Down with the FX name...

Maybe its the new wimmen CEO  whistling.gif
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yes, FX was only used to smash intel with "fastest available" cpu.. using the branding with the current bulldozer is unwise.. but i guess they need a selling point.. only the name left? tongue.gif

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