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TSjoshting
post Jan 5 2010, 05:56 PM, updated 16y ago

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The Apple's rumoured (or almost confirmed) tablet device has been floating around the internet for quite some time now. It is likely to be announced on the 27th Jan 2010 Apple's product announcement event.

Anyone looking forward to own one? rclxms.gif

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Apple iPad

Specifications:

1 GHz Apple A4 Chip
Wifi 802.11n
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
16-64 GB flash Storage
Full Capacitive Multi-touch , 9.7 inch IPS display
0.5 inches thin
1.5 pounds
Battery Life : 10 Hours
Accelerometer
Compass
Speaker Microphone, 30-pin connector

Price:
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More info: http://www.apple.com/ipad/

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so far no. but i'll be dreaming of it the day it launches hehe
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Yup, see what's inside first.
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post Jan 5 2010, 09:16 PM

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no $$ no talk... it's gonna be pricey~
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post Jan 5 2010, 09:31 PM

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yes, to be on my 2010 collection biggrin.gif rclxms.gif
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post Jan 5 2010, 10:42 PM

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wanna see how it looks like first. but i doubt it'll reach our shores anytime soon after its announcement. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(llsphinxll @ Jan 5 2010, 10:42 PM)
wanna see how it looks like first. but i doubt it'll reach our shores anytime soon after its announcement. tongue.gif
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It won't reach any shores in the world anytime soon after its announcement since rumors say that it will be announced some time in January (27th Jan??? drool.gif ) and start shipping in March.. tongue.gif
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post Jan 6 2010, 12:22 AM

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i would get it from US biggrin.gif if launch in KL is delayed biggrin.gif
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post Jan 6 2010, 01:34 AM

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still cant imagine myself using a tablet. dropped my ipod touch a few times already ;S
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post Jan 6 2010, 04:39 AM

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i think they will ship in march as rumours

still have to see what it does
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post Jan 6 2010, 10:54 AM

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post Jan 6 2010, 12:42 PM

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Is it real ? Spec of Apple tablet ....

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post Jan 6 2010, 01:18 PM

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looking forward to it
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QUOTE(dragonkiat @ Jan 6 2010, 12:42 PM)
Is it real ? Spec of Apple tablet ....

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It's obviously fake with that "clouded" thing.. Apple is not going to make that.. in fact there are still lots of things which are fake in terms of the hardware published (those hardware familiar men can tell you)..
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2009 has been a pretty quiet gadget-buying year for me, except for the iphone 3gs (plus a few other non-apple gadgetry). So you bet I'm pretty interested in the tablet. I'm definitely jonesing for a new gadget, regardless of whether I need it or not (as bad as that sounds).

In a perfect world, I hope that the tablet would be part ebook reader with e-ink technology or something better, with the iTunes store starting to sell ebooks in .epub format. That would make it a killer device for me, hitting that sweet spot between functioning as a tablet/netbook and an e-reader or a multimedia device. That way I could let go of my hp netbook & my sony e-reader.

I'm more interested in how Apple would market the device's functions as, rather than the actual specs of the tablet. January 27th couldn't come soon enough...
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If only the price is affordable and i have the extra money. If not, no money how to talk tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shdwkillr @ Jan 6 2010, 02:43 PM)
It's obviously fake with that "clouded" thing.. Apple is not going to make that.. in fact there are still lots of things which are fake in terms of the hardware published (those hardware familiar men can tell you)..
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ok i tell here hehe

1. if this thing is gonna use SODIMM rams, it'll be thick. even the macbook air does not use SODIMM. for portable 'tablet' thingy, it will have to use onboard RAMs like phones do
2. apple bought tons of toshiba's new 64GB NAND flash memory (for ipods n iphone), they can just put two of these in a tablet to get 128GB, so they wont use a mechanical 4200rpm HDD
3. why would the iSlate need an external optical drive that's different from the MBA, if at all?
4. built-in projector is a joke
5. ETHERNET?! even MBA doesnt have it...it's too fat lah
6. airport yes. airport EXTREME? no
7. "clouded leopard"? makes me think of a leopard with a sad face
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hahha yeah clouded leopard!? hahhaha what a name for OS. but oh well, thanks for sharing anyways. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 7 2010, 10:34 AM

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i'm looking forward more on the revision of Macbook Pro lineup with new Intel Arrandale processors (fingers crossed!) and maybe iPhone OS 3.x/4.0. nonetheless, i believe iSlate is gonna be another major breakthrough for Apple, just like iPod and the iPhone. smile.gif
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iPhone 4.0 maybe June/July like that.

i really hope it's not going to be named iSlate though. or iTablet. definitely not iPad hehe


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Meh... still no press invitation for the event. Or they not going to have one haha.
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 7 2010, 12:49 PM)
iPhone 4.0 maybe June/July like that.

i really hope it's not going to be named iSlate though. or iTablet. definitely not iPad hehe
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yeah a major OS update should be in June, in line with the launch of the new iPhone. perhaps an update to the current OS (3.1.2) is possible, given that the last update was couple of months ago.

3.2 anyone? biggrin.gif

i do hope iSlate is just another rumored name (so as iTablet bla bla bla). Jobs will definitely think of a better name for the tablet than those.
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post Jan 7 2010, 11:37 PM

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well, iSlate or ITablet (taking tablet medicine) if the price fall at rm2.5k might consider to grab it and play around.

Hope Apple wont come out with Netbook specs.
Im looking forward build in HSPDA+ or LTE technology with SSD? smile.gif

Pray hard everything is New and consumer cant imagine what is coming for Apple devices biggrin.gif
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sounds tempting!
do update if they are gonna launch it! =D
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probably will run either nvidia targa or ARM Cortex A9
i think
atom processor is just not powerful enough yet


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post Jan 12 2010, 12:22 PM

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aiya you guys, we dont even know what it looks like, what kind of technology will be included with it or hardware specs and what benefits it may give you. when we dont have a clue of any of this how to know whether you'd own one or not?
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mostly not going to buy it... a combination of iphone and mac?? a 7 or 10inch device? it seem stupid, i can browse internet, watch movie, play song and games with my iphone. y i need another bigger device that serve the same??




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it's all over the news now. even our local The Star covers it.

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post Jan 12 2010, 03:04 PM

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lol... let see first la, product oso not yet announce..
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wa.. not sure how much is it le?? hopeful not that too pricey lo
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QUOTE(hapa @ Jan 12 2010, 02:34 PM)
mostly not going to buy it... a combination of iphone and mac?? a 7 or 10inch device? it seem stupid, i can browse internet, watch movie, play song and games with my iphone. y i need another bigger device that serve the same??
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At least it serves more like a Mac, and slightly more portable than normal laptops including MacBooks. You can't use iWork on the iPhone to do your work, now can you ? tongue.gif
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is it possible to coming out that iphone 4g? i don't think so lo.. bcoz 3gs just come out not long ago wor..
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Apple is crazy with product launching. First with iPhone. I thought it would at least 3 years. After just a year, 3G comes out, and 3GS soon after. So it would'nt be a surprise.
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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 12 2010, 04:12 PM)
At least it serves more like a Mac, and slightly more portable than normal laptops including MacBooks. You can't use iWork on the iPhone to do your work, now can you ? tongue.gif
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if i want a slightly more portable than normal laptops i'd go for macbook air oh hahaha

am i the only one who wishes for a cheap-version MBA? make a polycarbonate version, slap an Atom in it, put a pair of toshiba's new 64gb NAND chips. all that around rm2k? i think quite nice already ;p
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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 12 2010, 04:12 PM)
At least it serves more like a Mac, and slightly more portable than normal laptops including MacBooks. You can't use iWork on the iPhone to do your work, now can you ? tongue.gif
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mac adi very portable le.. And I don think u will feel comfortable typing on a screen like a iPhone compare with mac with physical keyboard... So, sill no for islate unless it is somehing defferent from iPhone or mac... Maybe a....??
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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 12 2010, 09:25 PM)
Apple is crazy with product launching. First with iPhone. I thought it would at least 3 years. After just a year, 3G comes out, and 3GS soon after. So it would'nt be a surprise.
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wow you must be a person who wishes technology never should advance and should stay the way it is. Apple releasing new iphone on a one year cycle seems crazy? what about sony ericsson or Nokia which launch new phones every month are they crazier?
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QUOTE(KniM @ Jan 13 2010, 12:02 AM)
its gonna cost me an arm and a leg.
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 12 2010, 09:31 PM)
if i want a slightly more portable than normal laptops i'd go for macbook air oh hahaha

am i the only one who wishes for a cheap-version MBA? make a polycarbonate version, slap an Atom in it, put a pair of toshiba's new 64gb NAND chips. all that around rm2k? i think quite nice already ;p
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apple dont like atom
it dont serve the purpose
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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Jan 12 2010, 11:55 PM)
wow you must be a person who wishes technology never should advance and should stay the way it is. Apple releasing new iphone on a one year cycle seems crazy? what about sony ericsson or Nokia which launch new phones every month are they crazier?
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The term "crazy" that I used is to regard their vigorous product marketing, releasing iPhones on an annual basis, eventhough they are new in the market. With this type of advancement, it wouldn't be fair to old iPhone owners, that supports for their currently iPhone would have been ceased. Look what happened to the old iPhone 2G. It was, and still is a very, very good phone, that could serve someone for a good lifespan of 5 years. But lack of third party support like cases, covers, and screen protectors would lead to an early downfall of such a good phone from a good phone manufacturer that has just came into the smartphone business, Apple Inc.

At least, Nokia and other major phone companies, do not cease support of their products. Well at least, I can still see 3310's original battery covers, battery itself, screen protectors and what not, in a Nokia service centre, and also in phone shops. I don't see why you regard me as a person who wishes technology never should advance and stay they what they are.

At least, when releasing a new iPhone, Apple should regard what is most important in phones, and make it irresistible. I wouldn't mind spending thousands on something that is new and fresh. Could you tell the difference between a 3G, and 3GS physically? I would be happy when the next line of iPhone includes flash, a higher megapixel camera and what not. Even my sister's cheap sony ericcson phone has flash sweat.gif They should really use the time to R&D, slash costs and come up with something new and fresh for the iPhone i reckon.

But all in all, way to go apple, lets bring us the islate! wub.gif

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iphone is in smartphone market. Lagging support on those fancy camera thing is ok, as this is not first priority of product design.
what they focus on is the OS and CPU/GPU, i think, as this is vital for smartphone market.

apple has no control for 3rd party products for the iphone, they can cut the product production for old phone. But as for original parts, you still can get it. YES you do, cuz apple products promise you can find the parts within 5 years from date of launch. BUT, here the catch, iphone 1st gen, never release in alot country. The warranty only applied to iphone purchase on origin country.
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not only the iphone 2g... im using the 1st gen ipod touch now. few months ago i scratched the screen protector (luckily) and i had a very hard time so search for a new one in the market. all for iphone or ipod touch 2g (they say it wont fit on mine). i know this is probably not apple's fault, but resellers should still keep accessories for older models. same goes to casings. i cant find any shop who still sell ipod touch 1st gen casing around~

at least iphone 3g and 3gs have the same shape, so all casings can still be used.
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should keep? OMG
in another way to say, all the old stocks stuck in the warehouse, if they 'keep'
sometimes, this is subject to availability

supplier tak dak stock, where can they get it from?
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isn't it ALWAYS subject to availability? tongue.gif

i meant reseller + supplier + all the way up. maybe a few choices would do since not many people would buy it.
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maybe you open your own shop?

its hard enough to keep track of the hundreds of casings for current iPod / iPhone. you want accessories for a product that was never sold in Malaysia ... that's not gonna happen.

I do sympathise with those who have iPod touch 1st gen, and the screen covers n casings are almost totally sold out. OTOH, production is limited... since the accessory makers are also worried that Apple will come out with a new model, they don't keep producing accessories after the product has been discontinued.

we have some iPod touch G1 & iPod nano G3 & G4 accessories on clearance in machines 1 Utama, for under RM100 ... do drop by and take a look...
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 13 2010, 12:48 PM)
maybe you open your own shop?

its hard enough to keep track of the hundreds of casings for current iPod / iPhone. you want accessories for a product that was never sold in Malaysia ... that's not gonna happen.

I do sympathise with those who have iPod touch 1st gen, and the screen covers n casings are almost totally sold out. OTOH, production is limited... since the accessory makers are also worried that Apple will come out with a new model, they don't keep producing accessories after the product has been discontinued.

we have some iPod touch G1 & iPod nano G3 & G4 accessories on clearance in machines 1 Utama, for under RM100 ... do drop by and take a look...
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i know its hard (im not talking abt iphone 1st gen anyway..i understand they're not sold here), but if one shop still got 2/3 choices okay already ;p

good to know machines 1utama still have. next time go kl i'll drop by


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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:48 AM)
The term "crazy" that I used is to regard their vigorous product marketing, releasing iPhones on an annual basis, eventhough they are new in the market. With this type of advancement, it wouldn't be fair to old iPhone owners, that supports for their currently iPhone would have been ceased. Look what happened to the old iPhone 2G. It was, and still is a very, very good phone, that could serve someone for a good lifespan of 5 years. But lack of third party support like cases, covers, and screen protectors would lead to an early downfall of such a good phone from a good phone manufacturer that has just came into the smartphone business, Apple Inc.
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support has ceased? , what are you talking about here, anyone with a first gen iphone with a valid ATT or o2 contract will still receive support, we are not talking about grey items here. Third party cases are not under apple's control, thats why they are called *Third party* aka alternative solution, please be realistic, no1 would keep making cases and screen protector for a product that is discontinued, how to make money like that, if there were only 20million iphone 2g ever made, do you make 100 million cases for that one year period and keep on making 5-10 million products annually and make losses? and heck humans are never contented they will never stick to one gadget for long maybe you do but people will always get something new, maybe not today but someday.

QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:48 AM)
At least, Nokia and other major phone companies, do not cease support of their products. Well at least, I can still see 3310's original battery covers, battery itself, screen protectors and what not, in a Nokia service centre, and also in phone shops. I don't see why you regard me as a person who wishes technology never should advance and stay they what they are.
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What support are you talking about here? service support? apple still offers this to first gen iphone owners and also the 3G. Everything about the iphone is non removable why are you comparing it with 3310? which has a totally removable parts? So do you want all the resellers to keep iphone service parts?

QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:48 AM)
At least, when releasing a new iPhone, Apple should regard what is most important in phones, and make it irresistible. I wouldn't mind spending thousands on something that is new and fresh. Could you tell the difference between a 3G, and 3GS physically? I would be happy when the next line of iPhone includes flash, a higher megapixel camera and what not. Even my sister's cheap sony ericcson phone has flash  sweat.gif They should really use the time to R&D, slash costs and come up with something new and fresh for the iPhone i reckon.

But all in all, way to go apple, lets bring us the islate! wub.gif
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What are you blabbering about? form versus function? cmon no phone to date can match the iphone OS, its never about the hardware its all about the software, the app store and the support an the ease of use, hell if its about flash or camera i'd get a cheaper phone like SE that has 7MPX but would i get the same experience? no. To date all the three iphones has received similar software updates, can nokia or SE make sure all their line up of smartphone of yesteryears be able to install the latest symbian? no cause its a closed environment.

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Come on.... We have a full section dedicated to iPhone "blabering" already.
A tablet is a computer, not a phone. Unless Apple planning to change that "again". That is until it's announced.

So let's not turn this thread into junk post. Or another fighting post.

Back to topic... I'm waiting for such product since the day I own my very first PowerBook. So yea, I would be the guy that might pre-order it, LOL. Call me crazy or what.

But looking at the reading I gather so far, Apple might going to launch it with some smashing services like AppStore to pull in more $ than selling hardware alone.

Imagine if Adobe could push out Photoshop Lite for free test. And the Photoshop paid version that will allow you to add in plug-in or feature along the way just like some games in Appstore... Well that might solve alot issue with conventional way of selling desktop app. We might even able to customize a single app to cater to our personal needs. Let say I won't need extra filters or effects, I will just keep the basic app.
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I am not trying to disregard Apple's contribution in the Smartphone business and to be honest, Apple's iPhone is my first and by far the best phone that I have used in all my entire life. I am not a major in business and marketing, but I do understand the concept of basic supply and demand. Lack of first party accessories by Apple has not only cause major disappointments by consumers, not only on the iPhone, but also the macbook and other apple hardwares. Now, it is such a problem, if we need screen protectors, or maybe, a new casing for the iPhone 2G. Like Sony, although the have discontinued the PSP-1000s, they still allow limited cycles of accessories for the phat PSP going around in Sony Centres for their customers.

Probably, you don't see this as a problem, but i am sure many does. I use my gadgets until they worn out, I dont just replace mine just because they have another product that succeeded them, and also for economic reasons.

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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Jan 13 2010, 10:23 PM)
support has ceased? , what are you talking about here, anyone with a first gen iphone with a valid ATT or o2 contract will still receive support, we are not talking about grey items here. Third party cases are not under apple's control, thats why they are called *Third party* aka alternative solution, please be realistic, no1 would keep making cases and screen protector for a product that is discontinued, how to make money like that, if there were only 20million iphone 2g ever made, do you make 100 million cases for that one year period and keep on making 5-10 million products annually and make losses? and heck humans are never contented they will never stick to one gadget for long maybe you do but people will always get something new, maybe not today but someday.
What support are you talking about here? service support? apple still offers this to first gen iphone owners and also the 3G. Everything about the iphone is non removable why are you comparing it with 3310? which has a totally removable parts? So do you want all the resellers to keep iphone service parts?
What are you blabbering about? form versus function? cmon no phone to date can match the iphone OS, its never about the hardware its all about the software, the app store and the support an the ease of use, hell if its about flash or camera i'd get a cheaper phone like SE that has 7MPX but would i get the same experience? no. To date all the three iphones has received similar software updates, can nokia or SE make sure all their line up of smartphone of yesteryears be able to install the latest symbian? no cause its a closed environment.
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nimrod i think u're taking our arguments a little bit too extreme. we dont demand 100 million cases and 5-10 million cases annually. as i said, a small fraction would do, so early adopters still have some choice. obviously no one is going to upgrade just so they have more choices on accessories. and of course manufacturers would concentrate more on current products. all im saying is i dont think it would hurt much for a few choices. if my current ipod touch casing breaks, i won't have anything to replace it

obviously kernkraft wasnt talking about removable covers and batteries or service parts. dont stretch it

and the last part is pure fanboy. if its never about the hardware, all of us are using Apple II right now. and the iphone, admittedly with excellent software, is only possible with its hardware: the capacitive multitouch screen. the iphone might be the best ever phone today, but it's not like it doesnt have any cons at all. to dismiss that is just fanboyism.

QUOTE(wei @ Jan 13 2010, 10:53 PM)
Come on.... We have a full section dedicated to iPhone "blabering" already.
A tablet is a computer, not a phone. Unless Apple planning to change that "again". That is until it's announced.

So let's not turn this thread into junk post. Or another fighting post.

Back to topic... I'm waiting for such product since the day I own my very first PowerBook. So yea, I would be the guy that might pre-order it, LOL. Call me crazy or what.

But looking at the reading I gather so far, Apple might going to launch it with some smashing services like AppStore to pull in more $ than selling hardware alone.

Imagine if Adobe could push out Photoshop Lite for free test. And the Photoshop paid version that will allow you to add in plug-in or feature along the way just like some games in Appstore... Well that might solve alot issue with conventional way of selling desktop app. We might even able to customize a single app to cater to our personal needs. Let say I won't need extra filters or effects, I will just keep the basic app.
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something like microsoft's Courier concept would be great. more of a computerized scrapbook rather than a full-fledged computer smile.gif being able to be a secondary display for Macs would be a seller!
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 14 2010, 02:09 AM)
nimrod i think u're taking our arguments a little bit too extreme. we dont demand 100 million cases and 5-10 million cases annually. as i said, a small fraction would do, so early adopters still have some choice. obviously no one is going to upgrade just so they have more choices on accessories. and of course manufacturers would concentrate more on current products. all im saying is i dont think it would hurt much for a few choices. if my current ipod touch casing breaks, i won't have anything to replace it
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Dude, an he isnt anywhere near extreme? cmon. I'm just putting a basic mathemathical equation, lets say during that 1 year period of june 07 to june 08, on average people change about 5-6 casings, the initial production of 100 million cases or whatever accessories would have justified it, the part i dont get is do the third party manufacturers being third party in the first instance make extra and lose money on a saturated market? think, even the smallest amount of items will shoot the cost up, they have to keep their stamping machine running on older moulds, and if its not mass production it isnt gonna be cheap for manufacturers. If your casing breaks well, just look for surplus cases that some retailers have an auction in ebay, or a sleeve case, the apple sock is something good.

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obviously kernkraft wasnt talking about removable covers and batteries or service parts. dont stretch it
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and the last part is pure fanboy. if its never about the hardware, all of us are using Apple II right now. and the iphone, admittedly with excellent software, is only possible with its hardware: the capacitive multitouch screen. the iphone might be the best ever phone today, but it's not like it doesnt have any cons at all. to dismiss that is just fanboyism.
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form versus function? cmon no phone to date can match the iphone OS, its never about the hardware its all about the software, the app store and the support an the ease of use, hell if its about flash or camera i'd get a cheaper phone like SE that has 7MPX but would i get the same experience? no. To date all the three iphones has received similar software updates, can nokia or SE make sure all their line up of smartphone of yesteryears be able to install the latest symbian? no cause its a closed environment


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here's my wishlist for iSlate / iTablet / iPad / God-&-Steve-only-know-what-its-gonna-be-called :

oleophobic screen,
onscreen keyboard (on demand only like iPhone)
additional 3 + 4 finger gestures,
1 USB port
audio out
video out (miniDisplay is good enough)
Mac OS X (not iPhone OS)
bluetooth + wifi.

here's what would make it killer :
sandbox iPhone apps (run them like widgets) *but then how the accelerometer and GPS*
docking / syncing accessory for Mac users.


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if they could sandbox iphone apps, yes that would be killer smile.gif i really want that for my mac hehe. so much more games to choose from (n cheap!)

stylus input please stylus input please
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nah, i dun want a stylus. we can always buy a capacitive stylus. that's why I said oleophobic screen... so that we can use our God-given styli (all 10 of them) and do some really cool stuff.
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my idea of a tablet is that we can scribble on it. i imagine typing on a 7" (or bigger) device is quite hard. its too big to type like with an iphone (we probably need one hand to hold the tablet, so only one hand to type with), and if we put it down on a flat surface to type, it wont be a good angle. so yeah, stylussss hehehe ;p

of course, included kickstand and able to support normal external keyboards is welcomed biggrin.gif
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i think for a tablet, it should be very portable rite? I think we don't need the ethernet port, instead they should put in for a 3g connection perhaps. and pls la, no stylus... it's soo not apple lah if they use it with stylus. hahah..
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i wan it with a built in camera though...
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I am really looking forward for the macblet, but will go for the 2nd upgrade version instead of the brand new product release.. spare parts always expensive and you will always find better refinement in upgraded which could be a year from the initial release.

Have some not so good experience with 1st gen iphone...and spart parts is really expensive for 1st gen, so.. will be patience this time.
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 15 2010, 10:02 PM)
here's my wishlist for iSlate / iTablet / iPad / God-&-Steve-only-know-what-its-gonna-be-called :

oleophobic screen,
onscreen keyboard (on demand only like iPhone)
additional 3 + 4 finger gestures,
1 USB port
audio out
video out (miniDisplay is good enough)
Mac OS X (not iPhone OS)
bluetooth + wifi.

here's what would make it killer :
sandbox iPhone apps (run them like widgets) *but then how the accelerometer and GPS*
docking / syncing accessory for Mac users.
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i would hope for more than 1 usb... at least 2, 3 would be great.

at least 10", A4 size would be wonderful

comes with some sort of stand/dock

and - built in hdspa modem (but no call function). true connectivity on the go.
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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4034253/yout...t_islate_video/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4016250/appl...manyphones_com/

Looks real enuf to me.. just a bigger iPhone.. maybe?

p/s: If anyone else have any other leaks pls post here...
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omg. apple tablet was so nice but confirm the price will get shock when we see it
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Erm.. i cant really say if it's the real thing or not.. it's just a possible leak...

It is nice enough in my opinion but totally not worthy of the hype surrounding it... i dont know, i just feel like everyone been talking bout it like it's the next best thing after the invention of fire.. lol...

Was honestly expecting something more than just a glorified bigger iphone... am i the only 1 that feels the iphone is boring now... it's great when it's released but it's past the point of being new... i mean they could have at least changed it's design a bit... but then, if it aint broken, why fix it?...
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This is interesting. I may grab one when it is readily available since my portable MB is used mostly by my wife and I am stuck with the iMac which I can hardly mobilize.
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is price is justified with the throw in hardware in iSlate and is cheaper than MBP guess is worth of trying the new toy for 2010 biggrin.gif

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IPad has surfaced finally. Keeping romours aside n bringing all fans to the bright side. I personally waited 1 week for the launch. Quite disppointed with the iPad. No multitasking, no camera, no HD capability. Would keep fingers crossed if this device can be jailbroken.

Otherwise ill scrap the idea of this ipad and upgrade my old 2g to new 3gs n im done.
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think i'll be getting the 3G version for my wife via Sg Apple store since already allocated some budget for it.

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everything was as expected, except

no USB
no webcam
no multitask

and whats with the A4 chip? better use market available chip than propriety chips sad.gif

here's to waiting for version 2 with all thats missing and a proper cpu
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no USB n webcam nevermind..but no multitask is a huge disappointment sad.gif

from the demo, the A4 chip looks pretty good. i wonder why they named it A4 though... what happened to A1 A2 A3...

was secretly hoping they name their proc G6 or something tongue.gif continue from powerpc heheh

but still, 'iPad'?? i thought iSlate was a horrible name, but i actually preferred that

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Yup.ipad lack of everything.Sure the price will make ur jaw drop when it arrived in malaysia.i dont think its something that i expect from apple
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dont really like the name: iPad. wonder when will it reach our shores. hmm.gif

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no USB n webcam nevermind..but no multitask is a huge disappointment sad.gif

from the demo, the A4 chip looks pretty good. i wonder why they named it A4 though... what happened to A1 A2 A3...

was secretly hoping they name their proc G6 or something tongue.gif continue from powerpc heheh

but still, 'iPad'?? i thought iSlate was a horrible name, but i actually preferred that
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Ipad look really interesting. Wonder if the lack of multitasking can be patch later with newer firmware or not? I think a lot of ppl wanted this function, just imagine surfing net and listening to music with this device in starbucks.

The price for US is USD499 (the cheapest one without 3G).... wonder how much it will cost here?
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Plus, 10.7.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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okay just watch the video. from what i see here are some worries for me -

1. battery life and non-user changeable
2. heat (it may get hot resting that thing on your lap)
3. its gonna get tiring holding it with one hand and tapping with your other. if you have to rest this on a desk then it defeats its purpose.
4. its gonna be slippery like the iPhone. Im amazed I havent drop mine yet after 6 months but have came close a few times.
5. no Ethernet port - I cant plug this thing at hotels or other Ethernet only places
6. no buildin SD memory card slot - need to buy connection kit
7. its not wide screen and only 1024-by-768
8. no multitasking

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Anyone know how many RAM inside ipad? got USB port and build in camera?
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Thought of ipod touch 4G. But it came out iPad. Look like a bigger screen ipod touch.
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estimated by my calculation will be 1999, 2399 and 2799 based on the WIFI model,
THe 3g, i think will be 2599,2999,3299
this is based on my estimation.......
but is true, it is just a bigger ipod touch!!!!!!!!
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Not gonna buy it. It's a fail product by Apple.

I was so hype about all the rumors, but after they announced it, no multitask, no usb port, 4:3 screen, no camera built in, and iPhone OS 3.2? I thought it's gonna be MacOSX? Wow, I've been fool with this rumors. All the hype turn out to be overhyped, a fail product from Apple.

I'm no apple fanboy, but the rumors really do attract my attention, but after it's announce, I rather get iPhone 3gs or HP Slate.
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estimated by my calculation will be 1999, 2399 and 2799 based on the WIFI model,
THe 3g, i think will be 2599,2999,3299
this is based on my estimation.......
but is true, it is just a bigger ipod touch!!!!!!!!
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1) as car media center for my kid when travel outstations
2) unlimited games for adult and education games for kid , bigger screen as compare to DSI
3) remote controller for my My Apple TV and airport express
4) acts as digital photo frame when idle and tons of thirty party accessories will be in the market




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same feeling here...... better off with the pocketable i pod touch.... this product is going down the road of macbook air
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any price?

its 499 usd i think
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Waiting for Ipad 2.0 now....never buy 1st generation apple products....
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Waiting for Ipad 2.0 now....never buy 1st generation apple products....
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If you're looking towards the 2nd version of a product, you know the product is not right.
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You are right. The iPad doesn't give me that "feeling" that makes me take out my wallet and rush to the nearest Machines store and get one.

I am actually looking forward to read from it actually, but the iBooks doesn't seem to be flexible enough to read .pdf books and other formats. Also no word whether I could use it to read books not bought from iBooks (I love to download *free* ebooks online). I love reading off Stanza using my iTouch.

Oh well, I guess I will be getting the iPhone instead.
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I think iPad is not aim at the people who don't buy/read books. And not suitable for most Malaysian that do not read book in English.
Look at apple's strategy of having a digital bookstore called iBooks that will let users buy from publishers including Pearson Plc’s Penguin, News Corp’s HarperCollins, and Hachette Book Group.
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 28 2010, 10:44 AM)
I think iPad is not aim at the people who don't buy/read books. And not suitable for most Malaysian that do not read book in English.
Look at apple's strategy of having a digital bookstore called iBooks that will let users buy from publishers including Pearson Plc’s Penguin, News Corp’s HarperCollins, and Hachette Book Group.
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The only think I would use iPad for is probably just manga reader... can't think of anything else I can't do on my iPhone..
Thinking of at least able to watch movie on it but the 4:3 ratio really spoils it, combine with the big bezel you will have really big black bar on most movie/anime that is now in 16:9 or wider.

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Here is a parody on iPad

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I've always wanted an over sized iPhone which I can't fit in my pocket nor make calls with....
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The only think I would use iPad for is probably just manga reader... can't think of anything else I can't do on my iPhone..
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i think my ipod touch are much more better, at least i can keep it inside my pocket =D
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FYI you need to fork out for a "iPod camera connection kit" to get a crummy 1 port USB adapter.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/




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Actually, I was kinda hoping that the books would be sold intergrated into iTunes, but to buy books you gotta pay additiona 9.99 just to download the iBooks app, then pay somemore....I think i will stick to Stanza thanks....

Regarding as to games...I already have a PC at home and Xbox360, so I am definately not using it to game. Also, it is too bulky to bring out unlike iTouch or iPhone, don't see why I would want to buy it at its current form

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For US only. No pricing yet for Malaysia.
Pricing starts at
$499 for 16 GB,
$599 for 32 GB,
$699 for 64 GB.

3G-capable
$629 for 16 GB
$729 for 32 GB
$829 for 64 GB
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It's the worst Apple product in a while...iPad??? Kotex iPad? StayFree?? Wah-lau....

I think apple has the homerun product chain broken with this.
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As expected, watching movies on it would not be a pleasant experience since most movie will be in widescreen format 1.85:1, 2:35:1, etc ...

Here to visualize:
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Even if you can double tap it to enlarge like what iPhone does, the side would be cut off considerably.
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But I suppose the positive thing that comes out from this is that other PC makers will now produce similar products, like the iPhone.

I actually wanted something like this, but I find the iPad too restrictive. Maybe other makers can do better, especialy the e-reader front.
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Not a very good start for iPad since many already been brainwash to think it is a downsize PC with hand recognition capabilities.

At RM1500, we will have to wait for more apps to come on board for this device to shine...many be a killer game? brows.gif
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 28 2010, 11:12 AM)
Not a very good start for iPad since many already been brainwash to think it is a downsize PC with hand recognition capabilities.

At RM1500, we will have to wait for more apps to come on board for this device to shine...many be a killer game? brows.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Jan 28 2010, 11:14 AM)
At RM1500, if it is just for gaming, wouldn't you be better off buying a PS3, Xbox 360 for graphics at home or PSP go and DS which is cheaper and more portable...the graphics in the iPad don't impress me at all
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Of course you can't compare this portable device with the console like PS3 & Xbox 360. At this present moment in time you are right about PSP and DS but you never know what is the future.

the graphics in the iPad don't impress me at all? Oh you have see it real life? IPS and LED technology doesn't impress you? hmm.gif

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I think you guys are being rather narrow minded on the application of the iPad. The hardware is as good as it gets, but its ability reaches as far as any application developer can think of. For one I can already foresee seeing this in CSI or similar, or in Business applications, POS system, portable registration systems etc.

There are more than just games and internet..
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Its useless for most of us why. Go ahead apple fanbois bash me up. I've been using apple products but this is going to be a failure

1. Overpriced iPod - seriously , it can run iPod/iPhone apps in a higher resolution - wow , amazing

2. No front facing camera - bah , seriously. I may have bought this as my new Skype device if it had a front facing and back facing camera. no it does not , again useless. if it did , it would be cool to use 3G to make video call or do 3-way conference via iChat or even any other messaging program

3. It does not run OSX - pfft. If it did , it would be great , cause windows fanbois would have bought it as well. 'cause it will be running on Intel and it would be pretty good device. Even if its priced at RM 3k , people would buy it.

4. No HDMI out ? DisplayPort out - gee , how am I suppose to watch HD Content on HD TV , oh wait , RM 500+ for their stupid connector. Wow , amazing apple



Apple be prepared , its going to be an uber failure. I can smell it , they should just focus on their iPhone line. Seriously , this tablet thingy is going to fail - face it tablet pcs have failed . i THINK i should get a MSI Wind U160 (the tablet thingy) and then run OSX on it and then use iPad simulator. El cheapo iPad this way tongue.gif
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biggest turndown:
NO USB port [for aesthetical purpose again, yada yada]

the claimed 10 hours battery life is highly dubious, it may be the maximum theoretical but in practical situation it is not possible, esp when playing games on it

don't expect this can play any nice games on it, since its running iphone OS, and no one knows the capabilities of the processor yet.


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But I suppose the positive thing that comes out from this is that other PC makers will now produce similar products, like the iPhone.

I actually wanted something like this, but I find the iPad too restrictive. Maybe other makers can do better, especialy the e-reader front.
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see the real thing, and it will be cheaper too
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

What iPhone can do with its multi-touch, so do Android, and why Android don't officially have multi-touch OS, its because Apple b****ed to Google, and Google complies. This is how Apple keep their "epicness", they did it to Microsoft for the Windows GUI before, they are still using the same method


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Not a very good start for iPad since many already been brainwash to think it is a downsize PC with hand recognition capabilities.

At RM1500, we will have to wait for more apps to come on board for this device to shine...many be a killer game? brows.gif
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who told you this would be RM1500? unsure.gif

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 28 2010, 11:19 AM)
Of course you can't compare this portable device with the console like PS3 & Xbox 360. At this present moment in time you are right about PSP and DS but you never know what is the future.

the graphics in the iPad don't impress me at all? Oh you have see it real life? IPS and LED technology doesn't impress you? hmm.gif
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Comeonlah, you should now the quality of the graphics comes from the processor and not from the displaylah. How good can the graphics be from a 1ghz chip? At best same level with DS or slightly below sony PSP, but DS and PSP are dedicated games machine, portable and cheaper
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Jan 28 2010, 11:34 AM)
Comeonlah, you should now the quality of the graphics comes from the processor and not from the displaylah. How good can the graphics be from a 1ghz chip? At best same level with DS or slightly below sony PSP, but DS and PSP are dedicated games machine, portable and cheaper
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Also not forgetting that Xbox or PS3 etc DOESNT come with a display..

Anyway, if only the iPad comes with card readers, it would appeal to photographers.. And camera for video calls..

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Here is a parody on iPad

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Why get such a bulky device instead an iPhone?
Does pretty much the same minus the big screen size only
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games on iPhone OS platform will always remain secondary to the device's feature, you will feel bored very quickly to play the same game in iPhone/iPad

the touch-input gaming seems so hype out at first, but it will never replace the real gaming experience which needs the combination of real buttons

this thing would be better if it sells at USD 299 for the lowest end model, at least it could compete with existing smartphones. For USD 499, its too ridiculous for something which don't even have a USB port
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i'm getting one!!! regardless the price! i'm getting whatever new products from apple. just addicted to it. i'm officially a iwhore.
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emm...i was wondering it can last for 10 hours...but mac product always will over heat...i dun think we can use tis device for 10 hours...our hand will feel hot....
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QUOTE(Kyl3 @ Jan 28 2010, 11:46 AM)
Why get such a bulky device instead an iPhone?
Does pretty much the same minus the big screen size only
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To me the bulk is not the issue, I think it is actually light and probably fits good in your hands

My issue is what you could do with it. I am disappointed because: -

1. iBook functunality not expanded. Looks like can only read data from purchased books only and not outside sourced books. No support for .pdf format. So not flexible like itunes. Also, not free, need to pay and books sold not cheap. So i will stick to Stanza instead.

2. Cannot do multiple tasks at once.

3. NO FLASH SUPPORT- how to enjoy the internet with no Flash???

4. Videos still cannot play avi file in iTunes...

To me the major let down is the ebook segment sad.gif
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QUOTE(cfyong2020 @ Jan 28 2010, 11:52 AM)
emm...i was wondering it can last for 10 hours...but mac product always will over heat...i dun think we can use tis device for 10 hours...our hand will feel hot....
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To me the bulk is not the issue, I think it is actually light and probably fits good in your hands

My issue is what you could do with it. I am disappointed because: -

1. iBook functunality not expanded. Looks like can only read data from purchased books only and not outside sourced books. No support for .pdf format. So not flexible like itunes. Also, not free, need to pay and books sold not cheap. So i will stick to Stanza instead.

2. Cannot do multiple tasks at once.

3. NO FLASH SUPPORT- how to enjoy the internet with no Flash???

4. Videos still cannot play avi file in iTunes...

To me the major let down is the ebook segment sad.gif
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by confining the platform, this cannot do that cannot do, everything is at Apple's mercy

Apple is more evil than Microsoft.

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should just call it Ipod Touch XL or something, why come up with a totally different brand?
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Anyway, if only the iPad comes with card readers, it would appeal to photographers.. And camera for video calls..
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There is a iPad Camera Connection Kit
The Camera Connection Kit gives you two ways to import photos and videos from a digital camera. The Camera Connector lets you import your photos and videos to iPad using the camera’s USB cable. Or you can use the SD Card Reader to import photos and videos directly from the camera’s SD card.
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should just call it Ipod Touch XL or something, why come up with a totally different brand?
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doh.gif

I think alot of ppl are missing the point on what the iPad is for.

It's not an iPhone.
It's not an iPod.
It's not a Macbook.

So stop comparing the iPad with the above devices. There WILL be uses for it.
Get over it.
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There is a iPad Camera Connection Kit
The Camera Connection Kit gives you two ways to import photos and videos from a digital camera. The Camera Connector lets you import your photos and videos to iPad using the camera’s USB cable. Or you can use the SD Card Reader to import photos and videos directly from the camera’s SD card.
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QUOTE(poyol @ Jan 28 2010, 12:23 PM)
doh.gif

I think alot of ppl are missing the point on what the iPad is for.

It's not an iPhone.
It's not an iPod.
It's not a Macbook.

So stop comparing the iPad with the above devices. There WILL be uses for it.
Get over it.
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from technical POV, it is an iPhone albeit a bigger size, minus the camera and GSM chip for teh very obvious reason
from Apple marketing POV, well why should we believe a team with ZERO female in it, hence the name -- iTampon aka iPad
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 28 2010, 11:52 AM)
when overheat, possibilities are that will explode, like several exploded iPhone cases before


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this is how Apple earn your cash
by confining the platform, this cannot do that cannot do, everything is at Apple's mercy

Apple is more evil than Microsoft.
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I don't mind being confined...just that when I am confined I am "serviced" properly and I get what I want when I purchase the product. For example, my Itouch I don't mind being confined because I listen to music and surf net a little with it, but screen is small no flash okay. I don't really watch movie in it. I read through stanza, but interface a bit basic and no .pdf support but nevermind, screen is still small anyway.

But with iPad, the design is definitely meant for videos, internet and ebooks, so I should able to use formats that is convenient to me. If I am only allowed to watch .mp4 then make my life easier to convert the file format
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I wont buy it unless it's below RM1800...
- no usb
- no hdmi
- no webcam
- no multi tasking
- resolution is too low for me

hp slate is better ~
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I rather have a Macbook than the iPad. The iPad is as convenient to carry as a Macbook but less than half the power and capability. Why would I want that?
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QUOTE(prasys @ Jan 28 2010, 11:21 AM)
Its useless for most of us why. Go ahead apple fanbois bash me up. I've been using apple products but this is going to be a failure

1. Overpriced iPod - seriously , it can run iPod/iPhone apps in a higher resolution - wow , amazing

2. No front facing camera - bah , seriously. I may have bought this as my new Skype device if it had a front facing and back facing camera. no it does not , again useless. if it did , it would be cool to use 3G to make video call or do 3-way conference via iChat or even any other messaging program

3. It does not run OSX - pfft. If it did , it would be great , cause windows fanbois would have bought it as well. 'cause it will be running on Intel and it would be pretty good device. Even if its priced at RM 3k , people would buy it.

4. No HDMI out ? DisplayPort out - gee , how am I suppose to watch HD Content on HD TV , oh wait , RM 500+ for their stupid connector. Wow , amazing apple
Apple be prepared , its going to be an uber failure. I can smell it , they should just focus on their iPhone line. Seriously , this tablet thingy is going to fail - face it tablet pcs have failed . i THINK i should get a MSI Wind U160 (the tablet thingy) and then run OSX on it and then use iPad simulator. El cheapo iPad this way tongue.gif
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I'm totally agree with you. In-fact i do prefer wei's iTab much more than this iPad (sound girlish)
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i was following gizmodo live update last night and when it eventually unveiled it was like meh only.. it just a fat brother of iphone. HP iSlate is much better spec and design
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QUOTE(poyol @ Jan 28 2010, 12:23 PM)
doh.gif

I think alot of ppl are missing the point on what the iPad is for.

It's not an iPhone.
It's not an iPod.
It's not a Macbook.

So stop comparing the iPad with the above devices. There WILL be uses for it.
Get over it.
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from here, it looks exactly like an ipod touch + ebook reader.


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those doesn't come included with the box, that means more $$ for the accessories
from technical POV, it is an iPhone albeit a bigger size, minus the camera and GSM chip for teh very obvious reason
from Apple marketing POV, well why should we believe a team with ZERO female in it, hence the name -- iTampon aka iPad
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isnt iphone - GM - camera = ipod touch?

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Its a big display iPhone.... and its a Macbook Air with iPod Touch function...
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and next year they will launch.... Apple iPad Wing icon_idea.gif

if this A4 chip is going to be in the iPhone, then it should be a very small chip compared to the intels. small proc in a 10-inch device shouldnt be a heat problem.

as for storage, well we all know u can slam 64gb in an ipod touch, so it doesnt take up much space in the hardware too

waiting for a teardown, but i suspect half of the ipad is battery tongue.gif now this might be a heat problem

the black bar on the top for the 3G models is damn ugly! does it need to be so huge? i thought the 'stick the antenna behind plastic apple logo' like the iMacs was a good idea. im hoping to get the iphone 4g this year, but i really hope it wont come up with that black bar.
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yup.. if ipad can be much more smaller that is better..
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looking forward new iphone too...
its like macbook air's size with ipod touch functions...with hardware upgrades...wifi n support, led backlight ips display..n some new UI capabilities
typically..jz a gadget..not necessity, pass it or get it

looking for smaller device would b iTouch...no point making ipad smaller, this will result competition among own products
ipad sized similar to a book(i believe dis is their selling point) their new ebook app.

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hmm.. probably for student who more need it la.. for ebook application and those function.. but always need to bring a beg with u to keep it.. if take on the hand probably will be rob anytime..
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QUOTE(poyol @ Jan 28 2010, 12:23 PM)
doh.gif

I think alot of ppl are missing the point on what the iPad is for.

It's not an iPhone.
It's not an iPod.
It's not a Macbook.

So stop comparing the iPad with the above devices. There WILL be uses for it.
Get over it.
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It's just a bigger & faster version of iPod Touch. It works like one. Same throwbacks & drawbacks.

I know coz I used to own iPhone 1G, iPod Touch 2G & iPod Nano 3G.
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sad..

i can smell a failure too
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the big letdown is no multitasking.. if this was intended to be an internet device tough luck on running safari with im client at the same time. unless backgrounder got ported to maxipad.

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What impressed me the most was how they make iWork productivity tools "FUN" to use instead of writing boring business proposal / spreadsheet / presentation slides on the desktop.. now we can lay around at our most comfortable chair/bed and draft out work documents in a cool iPad... it just make doing work related stuff a little fun to use.


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QUOTE(stan001 @ Jan 28 2010, 02:52 PM)
What impressed me the most was how they make iWork productivity tools "FUN" to use instead of writing boring business proposal / spreadsheet / presentation slides on the desktop.. now we can lay around at our most comfortable chair/bed and draft out work documents in a cool iPad... it just make doing work related stuff a little fun to use.
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If they include them as standard, maybe.
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now just waiting for it to be released and some fan boy hack it to run on full osx.
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Jan 28 2010, 02:59 PM)
If they include them as standard, maybe.
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i wonder if they will sell iWork 2010 apps separately. i juz want keynote ;p
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who buy this must feel their ipod / iphone very2 small after using it sometime
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QUOTE(stan001 @ Jan 28 2010, 02:52 PM)
What impressed me the most was how they make iWork productivity tools "FUN" to use instead of writing boring business proposal / spreadsheet / presentation slides on the desktop.. now we can lay around at our most comfortable chair/bed and draft out work documents in a cool iPad... it just make doing work related stuff a little fun to use.
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Sounds nice, another feeling of doing iWork. icon_idea.gif
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retarted netbook, if u want me to conclude it
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QUOTE(coduosp @ Jan 28 2010, 03:15 PM)
retarted netbook, if u want me to conclude it
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it looks like a non-keypad like Google Kindle.
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QUOTE(asamalikum @ Jan 28 2010, 11:51 AM)
i'm getting one!!! regardless the price! i'm getting whatever new products from apple. just addicted to it. i'm officially a iwhore.
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Guys, seriously, you don't NEED this. It's a product with no specific category, and that's the reason why it's a tough sell. Apple could've get it right, but they missed the mark BIG TIME with this one, in my opinion.

Instead of making the iPad (blergh) a bigger & glorified Ipod Touch, they should've made it a Tablet/ Touch Screen Slate. To be a device supposedly positioned as a middleman between a smartphone & a netbook, it should be able to do everything the two product can in one simple package.

But of course, because it's Apple, I suppose people will buy it. I don't consider myself an Apple fangirl, but I do like their products. And to me, the iPad (again, blergh) is a big disappointment. It could be a killer device with some tweaks & additional features (like USB ports) in the future. But this version, MEH.

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In a perfect world, I hope that the tablet would be part ebook reader with e-ink technology or something better, with the iTunes store starting to sell ebooks in .epub format. That would make it a killer device for me, hitting that sweet spot between functioning as a tablet/netbook and an e-reader or a multimedia device. That way I could let go of my hp netbook & my sony e-reader.
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It was really a disappointing day ! You can see from Apple share price immediately drop after the announcement.
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I rather wait and buy the fourth generation iPhone rather than wasting money on this.
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After reading criticism from numerous site, I think Apple purposely didn't include those features such as multitasking and video cam to boost their sales on their next iteration, just like what they did with iPhone. At first glance, iPad is like an iPhone with bigger screen.

Among the factor that waive me away are:
- No multitasking.
Seriously, even smart phone running Andriod or netbook can multitask. So what then put iPad in between smart phones and laptops?

- No web / video cam
No more video conferencing or video chat.

- Ugly bezel
Yucks. Nuff said.

- iPhone 3.0 OS
Now this is a huge let down. I would rather go with the rumored Mac OS X (stripped down version perhaps) than the same OS that is used by iPhone.

- Name
Heck. I prefer the name 'iSlate' over 'iPad'...

From what it's worth, it's just not worth for all the hype I had for it all these while or waiting. I'd live with my iPod Touch for now.
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It's true on what you said, knowing what Apple did in the past with the iPhone. They purposely release the first generation with less features so that their next one could be better.

That's why I said, rather save money for the fourth-generation iPhone. It'll be better.
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Well that would need to wait until the usual September. 128GB iPhone anyone?
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It's a disappointing day because ppl expected too much before the launch. I think the iPad is just good enough. It's not breathtaking or anything like that (even the wallpaper is so lame) but the main difference is that it has such a wide screen, watching movies, reading newspaper online and playing games become more surreal. And I guess the best part should be the price. I guess if they make it as $1000, no one would probably buy it as they could especially afford a mac book already. That is the reason they are making it slighly affordable. I would not buy the 1st generation iPad (if i'm buying at all...) as it still lacks alot of features-no camera, no multitasking (this could be solved from upgrading software though), lame design, rather small capacity (smallest is 16gb, come on, for storing movies OR songs?!?!?) and many more. But we are definitely looking at a different world now with ppl now able to use such a portable and yet personal multitouch tablet that is light and sleek.
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looking forward to the launch of HP Slate, where the price is expected to be around the price of 64GB iPad, but it is a fully fledge Windows slate PC, as oppose to this oversized iPhone.

ps. the bigger screen Safari but still no Flash support is the biggest let down. Oh and the lack of USB port too.
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One thing I'm curious, why they offer iPhone OS instead of a stripped down Leopard 10.5.
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Cause iPhone OS support multitouch and support weak CPU like their using now

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personally, at this moment... I think that this thing may only be good in schools and hospitals... with the correct app of course...

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I believe with Apple it is possible, they just don't want to waste too much resource on what they're able to do now. They're keeping it for the future product release.

Trust me, you'll see a tablet running Mac OS X soon.

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QUOTE(Mike3300 @ Jan 28 2010, 06:47 PM)
I believe with Apple it is possible, they just don't want to waste too much resource on what they're able to do now. They're keeping it for the future product release.

Trust me, you'll see a tablet running Mac OS X soon,
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I may get it for my mom who runs a florist... upload all the products into it for customers to view and use iWorks to take down orders and manage accounts, etc.
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they will have version 2...that their market plan, i think.
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If people have an iPod/iphone and a Macbook, I am sure this iPad fits in between...
This gadget is MEANT to close the gap...
I am gonna get one... yess!!
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QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 28 2010, 05:53 PM)
If people have an iPod/iphone and a Macbook, I am sure this iPad fits in between...
This gadget is MEANT to close the gap...
I am gonna get one... yess!!
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hmm... its meant to close the gap, yes but why get it if one has an iPod/iPhone and a Macbook? Both those things can already do what the the iPad has to offer.. in some ways.
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Apple has always turned down thier customers when they launch their first product line. Same goes to the iphone 1st generation, then came the 3g version which is not much different but then it made a hit. Ill skip the ipad personally as its just an oversized iphone. Using it for daily tasking is going to be a pain, imagine holding that piece of oversized iphone in yr hands n trying to get a good angle to read or surf the net.

Trust me its not going to be a good experience, furthermore with all the snatch thieves waiting for victims. My ifon2g is still serving me right n fine.
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how much ha this thing if arrive in m'sia...?
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They still have 60 days before it launches. Perhaps Apple finally turn an ear and listen to the issues brought up.
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QUOTE(Mike3300 @ Jan 28 2010, 05:43 PM)
One thing I'm curious, why they offer iPhone OS instead of a stripped down Leopard 10.5.
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QUOTE(Mike3300 @ Jan 28 2010, 05:47 PM)
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Trust me, you'll see a tablet running Mac OS X soon.
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i highly doubt this. Leopard runs at PPC n Intel only. even our SL is Intel only. from the hackintosh department u can see how SL cant even run well on AMD CPUs...which are not much different from Intel's architecture

so how is SL going to run on an entirely different architecture like the A4? no way im using OSX on a 1Ghz machine. we know iPhone uses an ARM chip, so since iPad runs the the same OS and games, i think its safe to say the A4 is an ARM-spec chip as well

maybe someday someone will hack OSX on ipad or something, but it would be really slow.

i share ur concern though...mac OSX on ipad would be much cooler. but since Jobs publicly dismissed intel's atom, n no rumours about apple/AMD deal..very unlikely already. i dont believe apple has the guts to create a processor better than the Atom, since PA Semi doesnt

all in all, it kicks Vaio P's ass though hahaha

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well when u judging an Apple's product, you can't just judge what they just released, you have to calculate the future as well....

some may ask "WHY iPhone OS 3.2" & "No multitasking".... aren't u forgetting that iPhone OS is about time to upgrade itself to 4.0?? You still can put you hopes on 4.0 to bring multi-tasking... after all Apple A4 processor should be capable to handle it...

as for Adobe Flash support... i was wondering why did the NatGeo website during the demo can show those Flash advertisement??? although some of the part of the demo also show "Missing Plugin"...

it may not be the perfect Netbook replacement, but it still far better than netbook, apart for not having Flash support, but netbook itself cant handle flash that well either

I myself having an iPhone and iMac... i too was skeptical bout the "3rd Category" market.... after all I need something like MacBook Air, portable yet powerful enough for my usage... iPad can't handle or provide most thing i need for now, but i looking forward for its future... see how the market gets....
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No flash support.... with 1Ghz processor... and u cant play those flash game in net... lame
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Yeah. The games and features are wicked. But hey, it's baseless.
I'd rather wait and see them update their macbooks.
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QUOTE(azxel @ Jan 28 2010, 05:55 PM)
hmm... its meant to close the gap, yes but why get it if one has an iPod/iPhone and a Macbook? Both those things can already do what the the iPad has to offer.. in some ways.
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Its very mobile, light and big display ike the MBA (or much lighter) and fast (like iPhone or faster)...
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Anyway, I like it but am I going to buy it? No.
Its looks like a over sized iPod running OS 3.2. No camera, no multi-tasking? Ya right, maybe later(a 2nd gen perhaps?)
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i think it will be on apple store worldwide at the same time hopefully the 3g model wont be controlled by maxis  vmad.gif will get my hand on it as soon as it available to purchase ^ icon_idea.gif
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to find an Apple owner in Malaysia is hard, to find an Apple owner who is owning more than one Apple device is even harder. Go figure on how this thing can sell in Malaysia. Among all their products, only MacBook White or MacBook Pro 13 are the most practical
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QUOTE(JusticeDeserves @ Jan 28 2010, 08:02 PM)
This guy is EPIC!
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Anyway, I like it but am I going to buy it? No.
Its looks like a over sized iPod running OS 3.2. No camera, no multi-tasking? Ya right, maybe later(a 2nd gen perhaps?)
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Multi-tasking is probably going to be a software update. No difference if its the 1st gen or the 2nd gen. At this price, if people insist on multi-tasking and camera, i would suggest buying an iphone and an ipod touch tongue.gif tongue.gif

If its easy to drop or too thin or too light, some will say too heavy is not good.
If some say 1gHz is not good enough, others might say it is pricey is it is a spec above.
Bottomline is that There will never ever be a product that can cater everyone.

I think this product is perfect for me.
I never really need multitasking, i travel a lot and i relied heavily on my ipod touch for my emails and websurfing. I also relied on it for entertainment when im traveling (I know, i should pick up reading tongue.gif tongue.gif). However, its not possible for me to watch a movie while typing an email (on a touch screen!). I dont get what's the hooohaaa about the inability to multitask. If its there, great. If its not.Nehh

Camera? I never understood why would nano need a camera, let alone a 10" touch screen ipad. Do you know how awkward that would look when you try to take a pic with a 10" touch screen? lol. Unless its like 100 Megapixel camera. I remember even the built-in isight was introduced as late as 2006? in the macbook pro. I can be wrong but my point is that it will be late, apple-style but doesn't mean it wont come. I think a webcam is probably more useful than an actual camera though.

I think the next move is to somehow integrate this to the airport express, so it can be use for presentations. Heck, Jobs can even use the iPad for all his future presentation tongue.gif It can be useful for both business and leisure. I can already use my ipod touch to control my itunes and appletv. if an iPad can provide more features than that, that would be awesome smile.gif


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dropping this thing will be a norm for the future owners..looks like there is no way u can hold this thing firmly..looks fragile too..

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QUOTE(munkyduke @ Jan 28 2010, 09:41 PM)
to find an Apple owner in Malaysia is hard, to find an Apple owner who is owning more than one Apple device is even harder. Go figure on how this thing can sell in Malaysia. Among all their products, only MacBook White or MacBook Pro 13 are the most practical
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15" MBP and iMac not practical?

the main thing that's preventing malaysians (including yours truly) from buying iphones is the price. see how touchscreen LGs and samsungs are selling. if iphone can drop down to those prices, sure lots of people will buy

anyone wanna email Jobs asking why no multitask?

"You wanted multitasking? Then buy TWO iPads. Not that big of a deal.

Jobs

Sent from my iPhone"

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*imagine how they are going to play some accelerator games using it (like NFS) it's like holding a real steerling XD (i know this tablet is not only design for gaming only)
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hmm actually i think the same.. currently economy is not that good.. in malaysia i think is very less people who buy apple product beside iphone la.. hehe. so if too expensive for ipad i think hard to sell as well
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QUOTE(tabs @ Jan 28 2010, 11:22 PM)
hmm actually i think the same.. currently economy is not that good.. in malaysia i think is very less people who buy apple product beside iphone la.. hehe. so if too expensive for ipad i think hard to sell as well
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If apple product is in malaysia very less people buy, when why they opening so many authorized reseller last year?
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Good profit margins but Malaysia has very low Apple marketshare. Only 1.37%.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-MY-monthly-200807-201001-bar
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Looking forward to the new iWork. Not much info about it yet.

Can consider if price is ok.
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the only time i found it worthy to own a Apple product is the limited promotion period where the White MacBook sold for rm3k, at least worthier than Vaio doh.gif

now promo still on or not?

actually the MacBook hardware wise is quite nice, but software wise I prefer Windows whistling.gif
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 29 2010, 12:18 AM)
the only time i found it worthy to own a Apple product is the limited promotion period where the White MacBook sold for rm3k, at least worthier than Vaio doh.gif 

now promo still on or not?

actually the MacBook hardware wise is quite nice, but software wise I prefer Windows whistling.gif
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quite disappointed by the pad. i thought snow leopard was design to optimize touchscreen interaction.

but now that thing just run something similar to iphone os. sad.

btw will there be apps similar to photoshop or illustrator coming out for the ipad?
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 29 2010, 12:33 AM)
It would be pointless to get a Mac if you solely want to run Windows. Hardware wise: Asus and Toshiba have comparatively good quality hardware at lower price and better specs.
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oh i mean the built, the closure of the macbook, for rm3k.. its worth lah.. now back to rm3599 again
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 29 2010, 12:40 AM)
oh i mean the built, the closure of the macbook, for rm3k.. its worth lah.. now back to rm3599 again
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QUOTE(azxel @ Jan 28 2010, 05:55 PM)
hmm... its meant to close the gap, yes but why get it if one has an iPod/iPhone and a Macbook? Both those things can already do what the the iPad has to offer.. in some ways.
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I think the 'gap' is the ebook reader which the other do not have. it'll come in handy for me during mrt rides or just for killing time. US$629 as a starting price for the 3G version is just about right. hopefully Sg will deliver this 1st
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after this iPad, there will be HP Slate, running full sized Windows 7, and once Google are *allowed* to activate its multi-touch codes, it surely will launch Android based tablets too.

now back to one straight point, how many books a Malaysian read in a year on average? How many books they purchase? Let alone e-book.

If not for e-book, what else can this device offer exclusively? What an average Malaysian can get from this device, compare to vast variety of others like iPhone, PSP, Nexus 1, Satio etc
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Can consider if price is ok.
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 29 2010, 02:31 AM)
after this iPad, there will be HP Slate, running full sized Windows 7, and once Google are *allowed* to activate its multi-touch codes, it surely will launch Android based tablets too.

now back to one straight point, how many books a Malaysian read in a year on average? How many books they purchase? Let alone e-book.

If not for e-book, what else can this device offer exclusively? What an average Malaysian can get from this device, compare to vast variety of others like iPhone, PSP, Nexus 1, Satio etc
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I think iPad would be a great yet expensive digital photo frame

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do u guy think worth to buy ?? but no uSB port how to charge iphone or ipod ?? without usb port how i can transfer song or picture to ipad ??

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QUOTE(FlakCannon @ Jan 29 2010, 12:34 AM)
quite disappointed by the pad. i thought snow leopard was design to optimize touchscreen interaction.

but now that thing just run something similar to iphone os. sad.

btw will there be apps similar to photoshop or illustrator coming out for the ipad?
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do u guy think worth to buy ?? but no uSB port how to charge iphone or ipod ?? without usb port how i can transfer song or picture to ipad ??
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You sync the iPad the same way you sync with your iPod/iPhone.

This machine is not meant for high-processing apps.
Its meant for browsing, reading e-book, watching movies/photos and play some games.
If the above doesn't fit your usage - just don't buy it....!! Its simple...
Personally, I liked it... tongue.gif
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Usually I'm always amazed with every new 'revolutionary' product Apple releases (though I'm PC and Windows user)...

but seriously the iPad is so... oddly out of place. I mean, can't really put it in proper words. It is literally a giant a** iPod Touch...

It uses some kind of processor and it can't multitask, a big put-off. However, I do see the possibilities of what this is capable of doing in the future. It didn't really make my jaw drop like the iPhone did... it is also not based on MacOS geesh...


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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jan 29 2010, 08:07 AM)
Usually I'm always amazed with every new 'revolutionary' product Apple releases (though I'm PC and Windows user)...

but seriously the iPad is so... oddly out of place. I mean, can't really put it in proper words. It is literally a giant a** iPod Touch...

It uses some kind of processor and it can't multitask, a big put-off. However, I do see the possibilities of what this is capable of doing in the future. It didn't really make my jaw drop like the iPhone did... it is also not based on MacOS geesh...
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Apple always do something for a reason. They just don't simply 'forget' to put in camera, usb and multi tasking. Come to think of it, you really don't need those stuff when you carry a iPad. The only things that matters are connectivity, the 3G. I think the iPad is targeted at existing iphone & mac users, another piece to complete the collections smile.gif . and for only US$629 for the basic set with 3G, i think it's a good price. An alternative to carry to Starbucks to kill time

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I don't understand why people claimed you cannot make call with an iPad?
Then... what's the use of the 3G model version? I am sure we can make calls (other than internet connectivity)...
It has a microphone and speaker... and what we need is only the application...

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 29 2010, 08:50 AM)
Apple always do something for a reason. They just don't simply 'forget' to put in camera, usb and multi tasking. Come to think of it, you really don't need those stuff when you carry a iPad. The only things that matters are connectivity, the 3G. I think the iPad is targeted at existing iphone & mac users, another piece to complete the collections smile.gif  .  and for only US$629 for the basic set with 3G, i think it's a good price. An alternative to carry to Starbucks to kill time
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Yeah, the reason is simple. The camera is reserved for ipad 2. so fanboys like you will drool and pay another fortune next year for the next ipad. Cmon. In this age and technology, WHAT REASON IS THERE FOR NOT PUTTING IN A CAMERA?? Those webcam cameras are dirt cheap. Just put a cheap one will do. Like the iphone..SITLL DON'T HAVE A FRONT FACING CAMERA. doh.gif

Having a camera makes so much more possibility...web skype conferencing, 3G video call, and even motion recognition with the right software. TELL ME ONE REASON IT CAN DO HARM. I bet you can't.

Apple just wants to screw you, and some people still go on the defensive even when being screwed...doh.gif


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Yeah, the reason is simple. The camera is reserved for ipad 2. so fanboys like you will drool and pay another fortune next year for the next ipad. Cmon. In this age and technology, WHAT REASON IS THERE FOR NOT PUTTING IN A CAMERA?? Those webcam cameras are dirt cheap. Just put a cheap one will do. Like the iphone..SITLL DON'T HAVE A FRONT FACING CAMERA. doh.gif

Having a camera makes so much more possibility...web skype conferencing, 3G video call, and even motion recognition with the right software. TELL ME ONE REASON IT CAN DO HARM. I bet you can't.

Apple just wants to screw you, and some people still go on the defensive even when being screwed...doh.gif
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pay another fortune ? more like peanuts. i changed my iphone from 2G --> 3G --> 3GS and now waiting for the new version. If it released tmrw i will get it immediately. same goes for iPad. if they release another version next year I would get that too. so what are you talking about pay another fortune ? perhaps for you.

you could do skype and camera with macbook, iphone ? unless you don't have one, do you ?

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If it is me, I will just get a ipad with wifi. 3g will have no use to me if i have my iphone with me all the time. Better still if i could tethering using 3g in iphone.
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Below RM1900 for iPad without 3G and just WIFI is reasonable but! The price is before tax. After tax? Kaboom
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 29 2010, 08:50 AM)
Apple always do something for a reason. They just don't simply 'forget' to put in camera, usb and multi tasking. Come to think of it, you really don't need those stuff when you carry a iPad. The only things that matters are connectivity, the 3G. I think the iPad is targeted at existing iphone & mac users, another piece to complete the collections smile.gif  .  and for only US$629 for the basic set with 3G, i think it's a good price. An alternative to carry to Starbucks to kill time
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of course they dont 'forget', obviously got technical limitations, cut costs, or cuz they dont think it fits. no front camera (both front n back) cuz, well, i wont want it either tongue.gif. no USB since this thing doesnt have any device managing capabilities. i mean, if got usb port, ppl will ask why cannot use thumbdrives, why cannot sync ipod, why cannot print document etc. like most have said, this is a giant ipod touch. ipods never had usb ports smile.gif

now multitasking is a different story. it's the number one feature i really2 want on my ipod. the most logical reason we could guess now is the processor isnt fast enough to multitask. but then my sony ericsson dumphone still can multitask a bit, maybe juz 2/3 apps running together, but that's much better than no multitasking at all. now this ipad have 1 ghz... nexus one, pre, some winmo phones can multitask. they will make the phone lag, but i think its better than none :S

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I don't understand why people claimed you cannot make call with an iPad?
Then... what's the use of the 3G model version? I am sure we can make calls (other than internet connectivity)...
It has a microphone and speaker... and what we need is only the application...
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juz because something got 3g antenna doesnt mean it can make calls. it's like if u have astro dish but no decoder. plus i dunno who want to make calls with this thing tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 29 2010, 08:50 AM)
Apple always do something for a reason. They just don't simply 'forget' to put in camera, usb and multi tasking. Come to think of it, you really don't need those stuff when you carry a iPad. The only things that matters are connectivity, the 3G. I think the iPad is targeted at existing iphone & mac users, another piece to complete the collections smile.gif  .  and for only US$629 for the basic set with 3G, i think it's a good price. An alternative to carry to Starbucks to kill time
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for people that live sleep fap with Apple logo, yes the price is just right
for realism people, they rather spend the money on highend netbooks or the upcoming HP Slate.
in this sense, iPad is like SmartforTwo, its expensive yet not delivering practical purposes. This is the impression of Apple people have so far.

QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 29 2010, 09:06 AM)
I don't understand why people claimed you cannot make call with an iPad?
Then... what's the use of the 3G model version? I am sure we can make calls (other than internet connectivity)...
It has a microphone and speaker... and what we need is only the application...
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1st u need to jailbreak it
2nd u need to find an authorized app which let you make calls on it

1st is likely to happen sometime later, 2nd is impossible
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Ok... u guys faster go and buy it... when i in LRT saw any guys playing with its Ipad, i will just grab it and run..... so big..... so easy to snatch man.....

if u wanna tie it to urself.. then it is different story bro..
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 29 2010, 10:35 AM)
for people that live sleep fap with Apple logo, yes the price is just right
for realism people, they rather spend the money on highend netbooks or the upcoming HP Slate.
in this sense, iPad is like SmartforTwo, its expensive yet not delivering practical purposes. This is the impression of Apple people have so far.
1st u need to jailbreak it
2nd u need to find an authorized app which let you make calls on it

1st is likely to happen sometime later, 2nd is impossible
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got high-end netbook? i thought all lebih kurang.. HP slate hmm, the thing about that is windows7 doesnt seem to benefit a lot with touch... OSX also actually
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 29 2010, 10:35 AM)
for people that live sleep fap with Apple logo, yes the price is just right
for realism people, they rather spend the money on highend netbooks or the upcoming HP Slate.
in this sense, iPad is like SmartforTwo, its expensive yet not delivering practical purposes. This is the impression of Apple people have so far.
1st u need to jailbreak it
2nd u need to find an authorized app which let you make calls on it

1st is likely to happen sometime later, 2nd is impossible
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exactly...500USD (and this is cheapest wtflol?) is expensive considering most netbook does (much?) more and cost (way?) less.
like what you've said, unless a person "live sleep fap with Apple logo" and have $ to spare, it is hard to find a person who genuinely need this

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iPad is neither 'breakthrough' or 'magical' as claimed by apple. What apple has done is to replace netbook with a device that only run software from apple apps store. The only thing magical is that Apple will keep on generating revenue from more apps being downloaded.
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n more revenue they get = possibly cheaper iPad 2nd gen. e.g. i bought my ipod touch for rm1339 and it was only 8gb. now 3rd gen 8gb is much better, at almost half the price
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n more revenue they get = possibly cheaper iPad 2nd gen. e.g. i bought my ipod touch for rm1339 and it was only 8gb. now 3rd gen 8gb is much better, at almost half the price
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that was when the flash storage (or whatever it is called) is very expensive. I read somewhere before that their products' profit margin is like 40% and increasing every year.
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guys... the one reason y'all are complaining is the price.
I tell you what, why don't you complain when Apple actually sells 10 million units.

this is not a miniaturised Mac. its a tablet, not even a tablet Mac.

its a portable companion to your main computer (Mac or PC) ...

if that's unacceptable, don't buy it!

complain here, too expensive la, Apple margin too high la, its not a netbook la, I can get the same spec somewhere else la...

get a grip. Steve doesn't care about your whining. If your points are true, a year from now, the product will be discontinued, like the iPod HiFi ...
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM)
guys... the one reason y'all are complaining is the price.
I tell you what, why don't you complain when Apple actually sells 10 million units.

this is not a miniaturised Mac. its a tablet, not even a tablet Mac.

its a portable companion to your main computer (Mac or PC) ...

if that's unacceptable, don't buy it!

complain here, too expensive la, Apple margin too high la, its not a netbook la, I can get the same spec somewhere else la...

get a grip. Steve doesn't care about your whining. If your points are true, a year from now, the product will be discontinued, like the iPod HiFi ...
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What's wrong with complaining? These are legitimate excuses. Apple tend to take the market and community for granted and they seriously messed up this time.

The tablet has no place on the market. It was a solution that no one wanted.
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Major Apple products users are from USA itself, where paying a few hundred bucks for this kind of gadgets is not an issue for most of them compare to Malaysia here.

Not everyone here born with a silver spoon or earning RM10k per month, plus being a smart consumer won't just purchase every new product released.

It is normal for us to complain on the price we pay and the functionality we getting from it.

iPad just ain't worth it imo especially the 3g version but of course, fanbois will just get it anyway, because they can.
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regardless what many of us think how useless and outdated the iPad is.. it still gonna sell well amongst the fanboys and girls. they will always find out a reason to buy it.

let see how the perfomance when compares with HP Slate and newly announced MSI tablet later on.

oh fujitsu is claiming the rights for ipad name.. let just hope it would make apple change the silly name.
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM)
guys... the one reason y'all are complaining is the price.
I tell you what, why don't you complain when Apple actually sells 10 million units.

this is not a miniaturised Mac. its a tablet, not even a tablet Mac.

its a portable companion to your main computer (Mac or PC) ...

if that's unacceptable, don't buy it!

complain here, too expensive la, Apple margin too high la, its not a netbook la, I can get the same spec somewhere else la...

get a grip. Steve doesn't care about your whining. If your points are true, a year from now, the product will be discontinued, like the iPod HiFi ...
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as consumer, why can't we complain about the price? infact, i actually think it is gonna flop like the apple newton. is it that hard to accept that not every mac product is a success? yawn.gif lets have abit of rationale instead of fanboism

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM)
guys... the one reason y'all are complaining is the price.
I tell you what, why don't you complain when Apple actually sells 10 million units.

this is not a miniaturised Mac. its a tablet, not even a tablet Mac.

its a portable companion to your main computer (Mac or PC) ...

if that's unacceptable, don't buy it!

complain here, too expensive la, Apple margin too high la, its not a netbook la, I can get the same spec somewhere else la...

get a grip. Steve doesn't care about your whining. If your points are true, a year from now, the product will be discontinued, like the iPod HiFi ...
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wow..it took a while for me to think wtf is ipod hifi

haha u have good memory bro
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it's exactly the same as Iphone, only with bigger screen. with some tiny upgrades. the worst part is, it still doesn't support flash players!!! and no inbuild webcam!!
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er... I'm hardly a fanboi. I only own a iPhone 3G. my own Mac is a 6 year old TiBook.


I'm just tired of the complaining without facts to back it up.

For US$ 499, trust me, millions of desktop PC & Mac users will get one. it also means people can get a iPod / iPhone experience without signing a contract, and with a 9.7 inch screen.

again, this is not a full-blown computer. Steve is trying to find out where the sweet-spot is, how much can you strip down OS X and still sell a mass-market (not fanboy) product smile.gif
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It's still sells no matter how much you guys are whining and complaining about it.

This device has it's potential but it hasn't open up yet.
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 03:35 PM)
again, this is not a full-blown computer. Steve is trying to find out where the sweet-spot is, how much can you strip down OS X and still sell a mass-market (not fanboy) product smile.gif
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People were expecting something like this.

user posted image

The stork flew in and dropped this.

user posted image

See the problem? Of course people are having a kerbau.

For me personally, I see potential in PSPgo (done right this time, not by Sony regrettably) + colour Kindle + every MP4 or MP5 player you can think of. If they drop the price down to 1500 I will definitely grab. And I don't even have an Apple product in my house.
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It will sell good or not for what I care. All I care is I want the basic thing that could replace noob netbook. The iPad fail to impress majority of the consumer.

It's all depend on personal preference. To me, being a non-mac geek, the iPad is the worst tablet define by Apple ever. I can't see any potential since it's using iPhone OS, with no Multitask, no FLASH (Steve still stubborn you know), no usb port, nothing to brag about! The huge screen should offer more, like MacOSX, Multitask, Flash player, and USB Port (it's big, it should have USB port!). I can't seem to think what's the reason there aren't any of these? If you're talking about application, you need to BUY again the same application that already have inside your iPhone. Pointless.

If you're telling me it has potential cause same OS like the iPhone, you're wrong. Seriously.

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QUOTE(huattk @ Jan 29 2010, 03:46 PM)
People were expecting something like this.

user posted image

The stork flew in and dropped this.

user posted image

See the problem? Of course people are having a kerbau.

For me personally, I see potential in PSPgo (done right this time, not by Sony regrettably) + colour Kindle + every MP4 or MP5 player you can think of. If they drop the price down to 1500 I will definitely grab. And I don't even have an Apple product in my house.
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One potentially fatal problem for those thinking of waiting for the Wifi + 3G model, is the micro-SIM slot. IIANM, none of the telcos in Malaysia adopts micro-SIM sizes for their telephony or data customers. Micro-SIMs are generally used in location-aware devices like child locators or parking meter personnel, or power-meter inspectors to transmit their data to HQ after punching in your bill after inspecting the meter.

user posted image

Now what? Surgically mutilate your SIM card?

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 03:35 PM)
er... I'm hardly a fanboi. I only own a iPhone 3G. my own Mac is a 6 year old TiBook.
I'm just tired of the complaining without facts to back it up.

For US$ 499, trust me, millions of desktop PC & Mac users will get one. it also means people can get a iPod / iPhone experience without signing a contract, and with a 9.7 inch screen.

again, this is not a full-blown computer. Steve is trying to find out where the sweet-spot is, how much can you strip down OS X and still sell a mass-market (not fanboy) product smile.gif
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USD 499 is not a small amount and if you take into consideration of what a netbook can do for like USD150 less, it really makes you wonder. I do believe he is looking for this sweet-spot but with ipad, it is in the middle of no where to most of us. It is not exactly a portable device neither it is a computer. If you ask me, a Lenovo U1 Hybrid makes more sense.

QUOTE(Mike3300 @ Jan 29 2010, 03:39 PM)
It's still sells no matter how much you guys are whining and complaining about it.

This device has it's potential but it hasn't open up yet.
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very constructive reply indeed

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It support wat video format ?
TS,TP,MPEG2,VOB,MKV or etc can convert and support it ?

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btw, if y'all haven't realised, Steve doesn't care what people expect, or who is having a kerbau.

if the Tablet is so good, the idea so cool, explain to me why in the last 5 years, not one single company has turned a profit on this product line?

I have a running bet, I will bet RM500 against anyone else, that iPhone OS *will not* support Adobe Flash playback. Don't ask me why, go read up ... I have 4 good reasons smile.gif

can we please stop comparing netbooks to iPads smile.gif ... the simple fact is that Steve & co can't find a way to do a Mac netbook... but maybe the iPad is a step in that direction...
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 29 2010, 03:57 PM)
One potentially fatal problem for those thinking of waiting for the Wifi + 3G model, is the micro-SIM slot. IIANM, none of the telcos in Malaysia adopts micro-SIM sizes for their telephony or data customers. Micro-SIMs are generally used in location-aware devices like child locators or parking meter personnel, or power-meter inspectors to transmit their data to HQ after punching in your bill after inspecting the meter.

user posted image

Now what? Surgically mutilate your SIM card?
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now this is something worth complaining a lot tongue.gif

i appreciate no flash anyway. i dont play flash games, i only use it for videos. when html5 hits mainstream then i wont be missing flash smile.gif
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 04:44 PM)
btw, if y'all haven't realised, Steve doesn't care what people expect, or who is having a kerbau.

if the Tablet is so good, the idea so cool, explain to me why in the last 5 years, not one single company has turned a profit on this product line?

I have a running bet, I will bet RM500 against anyone else, that iPhone OS *will not* support Adobe Flash playback. Don't ask me why, go read up ... I have 4 good reasons smile.gif

can we please stop comparing netbooks to iPads smile.gif ... the simple fact is that Steve & co can't find a way to do a Mac netbook... but maybe the iPad is a step in that direction...
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we have to compare against a netbook because as a consumer, we have to look at our options since these gadgets are not cheap. how many will buy a netbook + ipad? unless that person is loaded, i doubt most of us will. therefore we have to weigh the pros and cons of each. looking at current response, ipad will be a niche market product.

QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 29 2010, 04:49 PM)
now this is something worth complaining a lot tongue.gif

i appreciate no flash anyway. i dont play flash games, i only use it for videos. when html5 hits mainstream then i wont be missing flash smile.gif
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i hope any of the complaint brothers here dun ever buy iPad.. Imagine every where got peoples holding iPad..haha

I just bored to see every 10 ppl on the street... almost 3 ppl is holding iphone. And it holds me whether to get my iphone or not. Too alot of ppl holding the same gadget.

It makes me feels like i am visiting Apple Technology Park.

Yeah! i gonna get this iPad!
At least not many got the courage to take this baby.

One thing which make iphone so powerful which is the Apps. iPad is gonna rocks steady depends on how the 3rd Party Apps supporting it now.

I can imagine playing games thru Wifi.. Own tablet but sharing a same game scene like Racing car game?!
(haha...macam not so practical for long term period.)

In fact, i don't use webcam..haha. Lucky i don't have a cute face to show the world.

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 04:44 PM)
btw, if y'all haven't realised, Steve doesn't care what people expect, or who is having a kerbau.

if the Tablet is so good, the idea so cool, explain to me why in the last 5 years, not one single company has turned a profit on this product line?

I have a running bet, I will bet RM500 against anyone else, that iPhone OS *will not* support Adobe Flash playback. Don't ask me why, go read up ... I have 4 good reasons smile.gif

can we please stop comparing netbooks to iPads smile.gif ... the simple fact is that Steve & co can't find a way to do a Mac netbook... but maybe the iPad is a step in that direction...
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This whole uproar is partially Apple's doing, IMO. The tablet is Apple's unicorn, something that is long seen overdue, but Apple presumably have moved its introduction back since 1983. That is 27 long years! Can you blame the pent-up anticipation for this, and the utter disdain when this is revealed instead of a proper tablet? The iPad is akin more towards the Apple TV, than any computing device, and Steve bringing up that presentation slide about "the tablet and the ten commandments in it" does make it look like the unicorn has finally arrived. Instead, we get this. Even without personally being at the Keynote venue itself, you can sort of sense the excitement at first, and the increasing silence as more was revealed about the iPad.

Now Apple have always stuck to their guns and do things their way, but consumer wants and needs should form part of the basis on what should be and what should not be included in their "latest creation". "Sticking completely to their guns" is the antithesis of the very spirit of which Ives reiterated when he introduces the iPad, and I quote "I don't have to change myself to fit the product, it fits me". Now, how is this possible when I have to change myself to fit this product when I choose to use it, instead of Apple listening more closely to what the consumer wants, and "fits them"? Kinda ironic, isnt it?

Now I can easily "choose" not to use this, a.k.a not buying it at all, but since this is the only product made available by them, is there a choice first to begin with? Those who yearns for an Apple-based computing tablet, will continue to wait, or pare down expectations and work within the restrictions placed by Apple in this product. Others, for example like me, choose other products like the Viliv, but still yearns that Apple experience and tailor our choice to mimic as closely as what we imagine an Apple computing tablet is. This very same argument is also the very reason why I have yet to adopt a Macbook Pro into my family of Apple products, because of Job's insistence that BD is a "bag of hurt", even when people are clamoring for it. First that, and now this? I'll continue to wait, or if I can't, tone done my expectations, sadly, to an experience that could have been better than THIS.

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At lease iTab wasn't replaced, hahaha.
I need a larger screen for most of my iPhone apps. My reason to get an iPad.
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i dont get the gist of "having a kerbau". is that some sort of a catchphrase ?
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Have a cow. Should be "lembu" instead of "kerbau" but eh. *shrugs*

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the Apple iPad is a decent device that is mostly used in the comforts of a home as an EXTRA device.

Vision this, You are watching tv and wanted to surf the web at the same time during commercials, Although notebooks serves this purpose of portability, but iPad is more portable than any other handheld device with a large screen. Although it sucks without having multitasking capabilities in the device... Haih...

As for music and video? I don't this the iPad is good enough for that. Portable media? Sure, Dozens of iPods and iPhones can be used for that. Media playback is like too general already. Most devices has media playback capability.

It's nice to see the future of Ebooks. In colour, but with only 8 hours of battery life. it seems abit poor... What if you are studying last minute then kapoof? Dead man walking...

As for price... We all know Apple.

The 3G version i think too much. I'd rather have an iPhone.
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http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2010/01/28/ip...s-people-whove/
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It will sell good or not for what I care. All I care is I want the basic thing that could replace noob netbook. The iPad fail to impress majority of the consumer. 

It's all depend on personal preference. To me, being a non-mac geek, the iPad is the worst tablet define by Apple ever. I can't see any potential since it's using iPhone OS, with no Multitask, no FLASH (Steve still stubborn you know), no usb port, nothing to brag about! The huge screen should offer more, like MacOSX, Multitask, Flash player, and USB Port (it's big, it should have USB port!). I can't seem to think what's the reason there aren't any of these? If you're talking about application, you need to BUY again the same application that already have inside your iPhone. Pointless.

If you're telling me it has potential cause same OS like the iPhone, you're wrong. Seriously.
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it's definitely not a netbook killer
this device got great potential, it just no right now, it depends on how far apple can bring iphone os to
multitasking, flash are still possible

i have flash that, putting flash in, you're taking another high risk yet, security, stability, performance drain.

it's big, but it's thin, no way to fit in USB, from the first day it gonna use iphone OS, then no point to hav USB in it.

you dont need to buy the app again, just transfer.

the form factor is definitely correct, just the software inside need serious tweak. Everyone is feeling down (me either), cuz the software inside is not dedicated to it.

iphone os is better choice than mac os x better of the speed, instant wake up, hardware requirement.....etc the right platform for MID

you can see google did the same, android for big tablet.


Added on January 29, 2010, 5:57 pmit will not a computer replacement, but alternative
it can be your paper replacement, YES, 'P-A-P-E-R'

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iPad can probably make 3G VOIP call .. See this --> http://www.telecoms.com/17644/ipad-is-real...thout-the-phone

I don't care what people say, I will still go out and buy this iPad (I admit that I am an Apple fanboy ..haha).

I think this iPad is meant for users to who thirsts for knowledge and likes to read/browse and yet wants to be totally mobile.
I can't have the good experience of reading long documents via my iPhone/iPod... And i can't have total mobility and ease of reading with my Macbook Pro.
I have tons of PDF files and Docs which I wanted to read but don't have the flexible device to read.
With iPad... it will solve my problem...

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 04:44 PM)
can we please stop comparing netbooks to iPads smile.gif ... the simple fact is that Steve & co can't find a way to do a Mac netbook... but maybe the iPad is a step in that direction...
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As Steve ever mentioned, they just don't know how to make a CHEAP netbook smile.gif ... which is a good thing.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10..._cheap_pcs.html

Asked whether users will be likely to see a cheaper computer from Apple, Jobs answered, "I think what we want to do is deliver an increasing level of value to these customers."

"There are some customers which we chose not to serve," he added. "We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk, and our DNA will not let us ship that. But we can continue to deliver greater and greater value to those customers that we choose to serve. And there's a lot of them."

"We've seen great success by focusing on certain segments of the market and not trying to be everything to everybody. So I think you can expect us to stick with that winning strategy and continue to try to add more and more value to those products in those customer bases we choose to serve."


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well..for me iPad is a good and sexy digital picture frame !!
u can show photos and make it like an album..haha ;p
still thinking whether its good for presentation in class = replacing the old fashioned flash card ;p

anyone agree with me ?
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i hope any of the complaint brothers here dun ever buy iPad.. Imagine every where got peoples holding iPad..haha

I just bored to see every 10 ppl on the street... almost 3 ppl is holding iphone. And it holds me whether to get my iphone or not. Too alot of ppl holding the same gadget.

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That is so true. What's the novelty of it when every tom, d*** and harry is holding one. Apple make a right decision in keeping the price at a premium level and maintaining a high quality standard.


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well..for me iPad is a good and sexy digital picture frame !!
u can show photos and make it like an album..haha ;p
still thinking whether its good for presentation in class = replacing the old fashioned flash card ;p

anyone agree with me ?
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come to think of it, it does make a sexy digital picture frame rclxm9.gif ... probably should get another non 3G, wifi only to put at home on top of the 3G one which I'm sure i'll carry around.


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Ok... u guys faster go and buy it... when i in LRT saw any guys playing with its Ipad, i will just grab it and run..... so big..... so easy to snatch man.....

if u wanna tie it to urself.. then it is different story bro..
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LOL ... nice one ... only in Malaysia i guess.

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That is so true. What's the novelty of it when every tom, d*** and harry is holding one. Apple make a right decision in keeping the price at a premium level and maintaining a high quality standard.
Very true! How kewl when only a few of us carry that iPads... tongue.gif


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please go read this first.

http://cruftbox.com/blog/archives/001592.html#001592
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Yup, and the comment following that post, perfectly summarize what I feel about it:-

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This is a false choice.

Saying that your not buying a car because it doesn't get 100mpg, with a 400hp engine, and features a built in ipod with 500tb storage is silly.

Equally as silly - saying that you just test drove a BMW 3series and because it drives amazingly well, people should/will buy one.

Did Apple create a better tablet computing experience? Absolutely. Was there really an empty niche between ipod-touch and laptop (apart from the price gap)? Debatable. Will actually using the device guarantee that you'll change your mind and buy one? Nope.

ipad to iphone ... apples to oranges. The iphone solved the problem of having a smartphone that actually could browse the Internet without driving the user mental. And it does this quite well while supporting apps and music. Where there was a clear need for the iphone, the ipad is attempting to create a new market and solve a problem that I'm not sure even exists.

In the words of some who attended the event and fondled the device: "This is great, but what am I going to use it for that I can't already do?"


Quite apropos I may say so myself.

Another good response:-

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There is no doubt in my mind that the iPad is a hell of a piece of kit. 5 years ago, most people confined the idea of a 1cm-thick, wirlessly-connected computer to the realms of science fiction -- and now you can own one for relatively cheap.

And a really good rebuttal to this article regarding the "wants" and "needs" for this device:-

http://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/what-we...pad-not-an-ipad
That's really nifty. What I can't wrap my head around is... who is it *for*?

I can answer this with every other product Apple has produced, almost without thinking. MacBook? People who need a computer they can take with them. MacBook Pro? People who need a more-powerful computer they can lug around. iPhone? Anybody who would want a pocket-sized device that always has an internet connection (which includes just about anyone under 35). iPod Touch? People who want most of the iPhone features, but don't care about 3G or phone calls (also a lot of people).

I got all of this pretty much immediately as products were announced. But the iPad? It's not portable enough to have as an "always with me" Internet device. It's not big enough to use for the kind of work I'd use a laptop or netbook for (writing, design work, etc.) -- and I can't run my Mac apps on it anyway. It's a pretty, but expensive and not very usable eBook reader (LCD type displays suck in bright light - if you can't read by a window, in the park, etc., what's the point?).

So if you buy an iPad, you still need a phone; you still need some kind of music device unless you always carry a bag big enough for a book; and you probably still need a laptop if you currently need one. So, if I have those things, why wouldn't I just own an iPhone and a laptop? What does the iPad get me?

... confused.


And the rebuttal for this article, regarding the "wants" and "needs" for the iPad:-

http://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/what-we...pad-not-an-ipad

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Can anyone guess around how much IPAD will sell in Malaysia or Singapore ~
If Singapore cheap , i will call someone help me bring to Malaysia ~

only scare the price will increase crazy
the cheapest one is 499USD but sell in Malaysia or Singapore maybe become 799USD or something ~

with 799USD can buy LAPTOP already = =
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@Only_Human
that's never happened... the main reason its expensive to buy iPods here in Malaysia is the luxury tax.

still need to wait for the pejabat kastam to review it, then for SIRIM to approve it... so estimate 70 / 80 days for the WiFi version... additional 30 days for the 3G version... don't forget this is still version 1.0 ...
if it can do what you need, get it.
for me, I will get an iMac for home use, and get this for those times when I want to show a video or a bunch of photos to some buddies at a cafe or home.

I like what John Gruber has to say (www.daringfireball.net) ...
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its like the first automatic transmission cars. once you have an auto... you don't think about the clutch or gearbox.

like that, the iPad makes the 'computer' part disappear... go read first...

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Just now i compare the Ipod Touch Price form Apple Official Website

Ipod Touch (US)
8GB $199
32GB $299
64GB $399

Ipod Touch (Singapore)
8GB S$308
32GB S$468
64GB S$628

Ipod Touch (Malaysia)
8GB RM 779.00
32GB RM 1,199.00
64GB RM 1,599.00

why Malaysia rental price more cheap than Singapore ?
i think Singapore price should be low than Malaysia right ?

Sorry for noob , i havent been buying Apple product before ~
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I love the ipod.They getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
I've got the smaller smaller with the tinny tinny little one.
Look there it is, the ipod Invisiblow~
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The functionality of a computer is what makes an Apple tablet enticing, not wrapping a closed system of the iPod Touch/iPhone onto a larger screen. The finesse of such apps approaching Apple's own iWork suite will take a while to make the user forget they're using a larger screen iPod Touch and make this somewhat mirrors a portable computer experience.
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@ Only_Human
I don't know how you calculate...
its RM 747 in Singapore ...

@stringfellow
as usual, Apple is showing off that if the iPad SDK is used 100%, then the device becomes more useful.
did you read the 2 posts by John Gruber @ daringfireball.net ? you of all people would get what he's talking about.
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QUOTE(Only_Human @ Jan 29 2010, 07:56 PM)
Just now i compare the Ipod Touch Price form Apple Official Website

Ipod Touch (US)
8GB $199
32GB $299
64GB $399

Ipod Touch (Singapore)
8GB S$308
32GB S$468
64GB S$628

Ipod Touch (Malaysia)
8GB RM 779.00
32GB RM 1,199.00
64GB RM 1,599.00

why Malaysia rental price more cheap than Singapore ?
i think Singapore price should be low than Malaysia right ?

Sorry for noob , i havent been buying Apple product before ~
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rental price or purchase price?

on the price in SG vs MY, you can say that in a way, its also due to how low our currency has fallen
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@ Only_Human
I don't know how you calculate...
its RM 747 in Singapore ...

@stringfellow
as usual, Apple is showing off that if the iPad SDK is used 100%, then the device becomes more useful.
did you read the 2 posts by John Gruber @ daringfireball.net ? you of all people would get what he's talking about.
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I've read his article about simplifying mobile computing. I would agree to a certain extent because on some device that demands this, it is prudent to have it in place. Allowing open environment to such devices will only tax it to such extent that it will render the device useless or erratically unstable. Case in point: shoving Linux into an iPod or jailbreaking the current iPod Touch/iPhone.

On the other end of the spectrum, MacBooks and the likes are relatively open to tinkering and modifications because of the nature of the activities performed on them. They are versatile creatures and to become that, you need the architecture to be open. These devices are also relatively powerful, enough to withstand any serious modifications that may or may not slow it down.

Now, I believe that almost every rabid Apple fanatics waiting for Apple's unicorn, the tablet, wanted it to be powerful enough to operate within the realm of the Macbook, in terms of power and tinkering as well. What did Steve dropped on our laps? A big iPod Touch. You can imagine the utter disappointment.

Again, all this goes back to the point I've iterated before: Apple is stubborn, they do it their way. I had firsthand experience with that the last time I waited for the MBP unibody refresh, expecting BD as CTO. Instead I get a "bag of hurt" from Steve.

Until the development of apps on the iPad improves to the point that Im convinced that they are truly the satisfactory mobile counterpart of their big brothers on the Mac OS X, the iPad will remain, in my opinion, a Frankenstein of an iPod Touch.
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sure... we have our opinions. after seeing what the iPad can do *live and in person* ... I will make my judgement.
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 29 2010, 08:12 PM)
@ Only_Human
I don't know how you calculate...
its RM 747 in Singapore ...

@stringfellow
as usual, Apple is showing off that if the iPad SDK is used 100%, then the device becomes more useful.
did you read the 2 posts by John Gruber @ daringfireball.net ? you of all people would get what he's talking about.
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rental price or purchase price?

on the price in SG vs MY, you can say that in a way, its also due to how low our currency has fallen
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i think is purchase price ~
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I agree. My own opinion may change when I get to fondle it in person, but by the virtue of what's currently available as applications for the iPad, the image of a bigger iPod Touch is too eeriely similar and hard to shake off. After all, a portable device is what you feed it.
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People purchase iPad in coming month just driven by hype only.
Lets wait until the iPad is really benefit into our tech life. So far only
one or two features really entice me, the rest Apple still need to do
a lot of things on so called "iPhone OS 3.2"
Hopefully in WWDC 2010 they (Apple) will do something better on iPad OS.
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What's the point of this device that is not supposed to be a laptop which has little advantages over a laptop?

Better portability? No, a laptop is 3 inches bigger and you still need a case for iPad.

Better apps? Ha, it has a stripped down apps compared to a laptop. There's no flash and multitasking.

Lower price point? Netbooks demolishes that.

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come look at the bright side of the iPad..

http://ninezerothree.wordpress.com/2010/01...t-for-5-things/

hehehe smile.gif hoping to get some input from sifus
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Not really into this iPad myself, gonna keep the Zune HD for longer~
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Apparently, someone Down Under share my concerns with the Apple's stupid adoption of the Micro Sim format:-

http://www.hydrapinion.com/index.php/play/...ers-get-screwed

For the TL;DR crowd, here's the gist of it: Apple's choice of using Micro SIM is just another way of providing ways for official telcos of their choice to control who gets to use the data connection on the iPad. Unless you're comfortable with hacking away at your current SIM to make it fit into the Micro SIM slot, you're at the mercy of your chosen provider to provide such a Micro SIM for you to use with the iPad, should you decide to get the Wifi+3G model.

This quoted paragraph from the article says it better:-

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Australia will also miss out on the 3G-enabled iPad when it's launched in March, initially we'll only get the wifi-enabled version. The 3G version will be available in the US, but it seems it uses a 3FF SIM card - known as micro-SIM. Never heard of it? Don't worry, few people had until this week (that Wikipedia page was only created yesterday). By an amazing coincidence, Apple's US telco partner AT&T has heard of micro-SIM cards and will have them ready to roll out for the iPad. Jobs' bragging about selling the iPad as unlocked for pre-paid plans is an cynical ******* act when he knows full well that the iPad won't take a standard SIM card. Only the most rabid Apple fanboy could seriously defend Apple's choice of micro-SIM as future proofing. Using micro-SIM cards is the perfect lock-in which can't be subverted with simple software hack, although the fact iPads are unlocked might force Apple to offer competitive international pricing to foil the flow of grey imports.

The iPad's use of micro-SIM cards is a godsend for the telcos but a pain for users because they can't just slip in the SIM from their phone or USB modem. It gives the telcos absolute control over who uses an iPad over mobile broadband, how they use it and how much they pay. Once again Apple has betrayed loyal customers in favour of the telcos, and monopolistic players such as Telstra will be rubbing their hands together with glee. Apparently you can fit a SIM card into a micro-SIM slot if you take to it with a Stanley knife, but it's not something you'd do lightly (especially if you can't get a micro-SIM to SIM adaptor).


Pretty angry scathing words.
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I say screw telcos and get the WiFi model if you ever plan on getting one.

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Then the dream of Kindle users of having a pervasive connected-everywhere eBook reader like Kindle in the States will be dashed. The idea of the iPad, especially when it comes to the iBookStore is to be able to buy it, download it and read it anywhere.

On a related note, see why I cry for open environment when it comes to portable mobile "computing" device like this? Locking down the OS, and further clenching that tight fist by employing this hardware-restriction further shows what Apple intended for the iPad: simply a larger locked-down OS iPod Touch.


Added on January 29, 2010, 11:28 pmLooks like more bad news for those thinking of adopting the iPad as their eBook reader:-
iPad could be sold without iBook outside US.

Makes that US iPAd more valuable and/or necessary I guess? But but but, what about that Micro Sim slot debacle?

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I say screw telcos and get the WiFi model if you ever plan on getting one.
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Yeah, just buy the WiFi version,
I don't think so our telco provider (Maxis/ DiGi/ Celcom/ P1) are smart enough about Micro-SIM to bring iPad here...
Look at Maxis, they act like a dumb when selling iPhone here.
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this is very typical of Apple products, its either you like it unconditionally, or hate it down to the ground. And Apple do not even bother to give in to the bunch that hate them for valid reasons.

No Flash support means no Flash support, and our phone is still the world's most advanced

No Bluray in our Macs, but our hardware is the most advanced ever crafted

they can give you very flowery reasons as to not include Flash support and Bluray drive, while the reality behind is plain simple, they don't welcome the tech that will compete with them (Flash), and cost them alot (BD drive)

the Apple fanboys will just believe in the flowery creed, while non-Apple users know the Apple business tricks well.

seeing how their immaturity shown in Get-A-Mac ads campaign, even after Win7 they still reuse the tactics against Vista

seeing Apple intervention in Google Android multitouch codes, shows that Apple isn't made of saints either. IMO they are more evil than Microsoft

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i heard that IPAD have No flash => how to browse Facebook and playing game = = !!!

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Answer is cannot.
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The reason why Apple denies Flash and BD is because of competition. Flash-based websites like Hulu allows FREE watching of movies and TV shows, Apple wouldn't want that to compete with the iTunes ecosystem. BD's excuse, instead of the skimpy "bag of hurt" excuse, ties in with the fact that iTunes itself is pushing their own brand of HD movies, allowing BD movie playback will seriously put a dent in their own sales of HD videos from iTunes. All the nonsense on instability, proprietary or "bags of hurts" are just the reality distortion field playing tricks on your common sense.

It looks like Apple Malaysia has updated their website to include the iPad on the front page. Click it brings it to this link:-

http://www.apple.com/asia/ipad/features/

and surprise, surprise! No iBooks for Asian iPads! Open back this link:-

http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/

which leads to the US Apple homepage, see that little footnote at the bottom? It says "iBooks is available only in the U.S." So, one feature/function crippled. Add the Micro Sim woes, that's two. In the end, isn't all these crippling of features makes the iPad becomes more and more like a bigger iPod Touch? rolleyes.gif
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can the Asians download the iBook from App Store after they brought the iPad home?
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Aaaand to add salt to the already gaping wound, Apple lied to you.

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/29/ipad-p...-flash-content/

The live demo Steve did displays gaping holes where Flash contents is supposed to be, but in their promotional video, everything looks complete, even where the Flash contents are supposed to be. Lies or Reality Distortion Field at its best? rclxms.gif


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can the Asians download the iBook from App Store after they brought the iPad home?
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I suspect it's gonna be a firmware-specific feature. iPads from the States will be loaded with firmwares with iBooks available in it, while the Asian iPads will have it removed. You wont even be able to download the iBook app, since it is part of the specific firmware tailored to specific regions. US only, folks! shakehead.gif

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They out the IPAD because for the IBOOK right ?
Asia Ver cannot support IBOOK that mean IPAD = useless = = !
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Apparently the iPad is more than just an eBook reader. It is supposed to be Apple's answer to the netbook in tablet form. Funny how netbooks can handle Flash contents on their hardware, while Apple surreptitiously kept themselves mum on that.
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QUOTE(Only_Human @ Jan 29 2010, 07:56 PM)

why Malaysia rental price more cheap than Singapore ?
i think Singapore price should be low than Malaysia right ?

Sorry for noob , i havent been buying Apple product before ~
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There is a 7% GST in singapore, thus the higher price.
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lol... imagine how would the sales from Machines explain the feature of iPad to customers, one day I should go in and ask too rclxms.gif

I would ask "why should I buy this thing, what makes it soooo awesoome"

Apple is indeed the world's most ego-centric company whistling.gif
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 12:28 AM)
lol... imagine how would the sales from Machines explain the feature of iPad to customers, one day I should go in and ask too rclxms.gif

I would ask "why should I buy this thing, what makes it soooo awesoome"

Apple is indeed the world's most ego-centric company whistling.gif
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Sure they will convince you with usual Apple terms, "casual experience", "hassle-free", "pick-n-play".
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in regard to the "chopped" promo video
here is what fanboys would answer

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Perhaps Apple was worked with the New York Times and other major sites for custom iPad versions of their sites that use an alternative to flash such as HTML5.


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Eh... with HTML 5 coming and H.264 video, there won't be much point to Flash in the future. So I'm okay if they keep it standards based.


http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=856483

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You shouldn't blame the Machines people on the failures of the iPad, they are just resellers. Should there be an actual Apple Store operated by Apple themselves here, then you can go ahead with the cynical jabs. tongue.gif

To everyone else, how's your pared-down expectations of the iPad now, now that Malaysian iPads have lost the eBook feature? And the cutting down of the sim card to size? Okay with that? Or are you just happy with using the iPad as the email reader, web browser, music player, video player, games/apps player that you plan it to be? But isn't there already a device in the market, made by Apple themselves, that already does these functions (iPod touch)? Or are you paying RM1.8k(iPad USD499 base price) for simply the larger screen? Is that single reason justifiable to spend on another overlapping product you either already have, or already made available now? innocent.gif
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Just wondering - Would you guys buy this iPad if you don't own an iPod Touch?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 12:37 AM)
To everyone else, how's your pared-down expectations of the iPad now, now that Malaysian iPads have lost the eBook feature? And the cutting down of the sim card to size? Okay with that? Or are you just happy with using the iPad as the email reader, web browser, music player, video player, games/apps player that you plan it to be? But isn't there already a device in the market, made by Apple themselves, that already does these functions (iPod touch)? Or are you paying RM1.8k(iPad USD499 base price) for simply the larger screen? Is that single reason justifiable to spend on another overlapping product you either already have, or already made available now?  innocent.gif
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I think I will still get the iPad despite all the rest grumbling about it.
Reason being - I just want a bigger screen, slim enough to walk around to read e-books. The only thing I hope, if they did not support the iBookStore, I hope I can still read ALL my PDF files just like an eBook format.
Also I don't mind not having the 3G version coz I can still sync later the contents via my Macbook.
I am not into games or videos. If I wanna play videos, I can use my Macbook.

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iPod touch baseline is lesser than RM800, and it can fit into the pocket, and its feature virtually the same as iPad

why iPad then..
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 12:43 AM)
iPod touch baseline is lesser than RM800, and it can fit into the pocket, and its feature virtually the same as iPad

why iPad then..
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big screen, either HP Slate or netbook for me

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 12:21 AM)
I suspect it's gonna be a firmware-specific feature. iPads from the States will be loaded with firmwares with iBooks available in it, while the Asian iPads will have it removed. You wont even be able to download the iBook app, since it is part of the specific firmware tailored to specific regions. US only, folks! shakehead.gif
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Firmware specific? Smells like a software logistics nightmare to me.

More likely its gonna be something tied to your iTunes account.


Added on January 30, 2010, 12:52 am
QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 30 2010, 12:39 AM)
Just wondering - Would you guys buy this iPad if you don't own an iPod Touch?
I think I will still get the iPad despite all the rest grumbling about it.
Reason being - I just want a bigger screen, slim enough to walk around to read e-books. The only thing I hope, if they did not support the iBookStore, I hope I can still read ALL my PDF files just like an eBook format.
Also I don't mind not having the 3G version coz I can still sync later the contents via my Macbook.
I am not into games or videos. If I wanna play videos, I can use my Macbook.
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Don't get your hopes up for PDF files, 'cause I remembered something about the epub format during the presentation. But on the good side, you can still use Stanza (the desktop version) to convert all your PDFs to .epub. Thus the only left over question is whether you can load your own .epub files in or not, and how to do so. 2 possible ways that I can think of:
- downloading from somewhere like Stanza does (the iPhone/iPod Touch version)
- drag and drop your epub files into iTunes and sync from there, just like how audio/video is currently handled.

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 12:08 AM)
they can give you very flowery reasons as to not include Flash support and Bluray drive, while the reality behind is plain simple, they don't welcome the tech that will compete with them (Flash), and cost them alot (BD drive)

the Apple fanboys will just believe in the flowery creed, while non-Apple users know the Apple business tricks well.
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then you'll see them posting stuff like 'omfgwtfbbqsos apple added camera/usb for ipad v2'
i suppose those are 'revolutionary' or lemme quote from steve, "magical" breakthrough. funny how simple addition already available as of now will wow some of those fanbois. i foresee things like this to happen and i cant help but lol.


QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 12:28 AM)
lol... imagine how would the sales from Machines explain the feature of iPad to customers, one day I should go in and ask too rclxms.gif

I would ask "why should I buy this thing, what makes it soooo awesoome"

Apple is indeed the world's most ego-centric company whistling.gif
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u just gave me great idea...imma try this out in 2 months time
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 12:08 AM)
No Bluray in our Macs, but our hardware is the most advanced ever crafted
I did grumble about the lack of Bluray in the Macs, until I asked myself, how many BluRay disks do I actually own anyways, and how many do I plan to get in the near future. Answer is that I don't own any BluRay disks (apart from PS3 games, which can't be used on the Macs anyways), and how many BluRay disks am I planning to buy in the near future? Most likely 1 at max, seeing how much it costs, and that's just for the fun of it.
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QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 30 2010, 12:39 AM)
Just wondering - Would you guys buy this iPad if you don't own an iPod Touch?
I think I will still get the iPad despite all the rest grumbling about it.
Reason being - I just want a bigger screen, slim enough to walk around to read e-books. The only thing I hope, if they did not support the iBookStore, I hope I can still read ALL my PDF files just like an eBook format.
Also I don't mind not having the 3G version coz I can still sync later the contents via my Macbook.
I am not into games or videos. If I wanna play videos, I can use my Macbook.
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so u are gonna spend 1.8k on something just to read pdf? you have too much money to spare thats for sure. ever consider donating $ to haiti fund? notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 12:58 AM)
I did grumble about the lack of Bluray in the Macs, until I asked myself, how many BluRay disks do I actually own anyways, and how many do I plan to get in the near future. Answer is that I don't own any BluRay disks (apart from PS3 games, which can't be used on the Macs anyways), and how many BluRay disks am I planning to buy in the near future? Most likely 1 at max, seeing how much it costs, and that's just for the fun of it.
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while bluray is quite expensive here in msia, it is more reasonable in most developed country (dollar to dollar comparison) therefore you cant relate your case with the rest of the world

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 30 2010, 12:54 AM)
then you'll see them posting stuff like 'omfgwtfbbqsos apple added camera/usb for ipad v2'
i suppose those are 'revolutionary' or lemme quote from steve, "magical" breakthrough. funny how simple addition already available as of now will wow some of those fanbois. i foresee things like this to happen and i cant help but lol.
u just gave me great idea...imma try this out in 2 months time
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On the camera, are you really gonna hold up a 9.5 by 7.5 inch piece of equipment to take photos with? If anything, a front facing camera will actually be more useful for video calls.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 12:47 AM)
Firmware specific? Smells like a software logistics nightmare to me.

More likely its gonna be something tied to your iTunes account.


Added on January 30, 2010, 12:52 am

Don't get your hopes up for PDF files, 'cause I remembered something about the epub format during the presentation. But on the good side, you can still use Stanza (the desktop version) to convert all your PDFs to .epub. Thus the only left over question is whether you can load your own .epub files in or not, and how to do so. 2 possible ways that I can think of:
- downloading from somewhere like Stanza does (the iPhone/iPod Touch version)
- drag and drop your epub files into iTunes and sync from there, just like how audio/video is currently handled.
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Still does not negate the fact that Apple may ship only US iPads with iBook app installed, and remove it from the Asian iPads with no options to download the iBook app anywhere. Any app installed as a built-in(Youtube, Maps, etc), you don't see it being redownloadable as a separate download. Unless somewhere along the road, jailbreaking the iPAd is made possible, and allows custom installation of singular apps irregardless of region.

Either way, it's a pain. And it diminishes the appeal of the already questionable reason of why one would get an iPad in the first place.

As for Edoras' case, PDF-to-epub conversion can be very messy. I've used an application called Calibre to do that, and almost all the time, the formatting on the PDF is removed during the conversion, resulting in epub articles with flawed paragraphing, or weird punctuations and spacing. Not to mention line sentences haywiredly rendered with no control over the article formatting. You can forget graph/table/diagram/picture heavy PDFs, these will be destroyed format-wise, during the conversion.

Now, with that in mind Edoras,.......now what?
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 01:04 AM)
On the camera, are you really gonna hold up a 9.5 by 7.5 inch piece of equipment to take photos with? If anything, a front facing camera will actually be more useful for video calls.
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im referring to a video call camera.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 12:58 AM)
I did grumble about the lack of Bluray in the Macs, until I asked myself, how many BluRay disks do I actually own anyways, and how many do I plan to get in the near future. Answer is that I don't own any BluRay disks (apart from PS3 games, which can't be used on the Macs anyways), and how many BluRay disks am I planning to buy in the near future? Most likely 1 at max, seeing how much it costs, and that's just for the fun of it.
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well that is from your situation, in western countries, blu ray movies can be rented at much cheaper price, which is also what Apple worries about

Apple being one of the members of bluray association, it is shocking to see Steve Job's view towards BD as "bags of hurts"

the reason being lies in Apple's business structure, unlike Google and MS, Apple invest their costs in hardware, software, and digital distribution. They have no other source of revenue apart from these three. This is the fundamental fact that potential Apple buyers including fanboys should know
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 12:58 AM)
I did grumble about the lack of Bluray in the Macs, until I asked myself, how many BluRay disks do I actually own anyways, and how many do I plan to get in the near future. Answer is that I don't own any BluRay disks (apart from PS3 games, which can't be used on the Macs anyways), and how many BluRay disks am I planning to buy in the near future? Most likely 1 at max, seeing how much it costs, and that's just for the fun of it.
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Shouldn't stop Apple from providing it as a CTO. I agree that it is not a widely-accepted consensus, but seeing how Apple holds stake in the Blu-Ray Consortium, it's funny how they react towards their position in that board.

Of course, CTO it into the higher end MBP lah, no point having a paltry 13 incher playing BD movies. There are those who want to make use of their BD collections while moving away from home base. In fact, I've stopped buying DVDs and buying exclusively BDs these days, with getting SD content via iTunes if I deem it unnecessary to get the HD version. See, Apple's ecosystem of content distribution is still safe for folks like me, since I will still be buying stuff from their iTunes store, and even adding to their coffers with my BD purchase. Question is, what "bags of hurt" are we talking about here, to the consumer, or the coffers of Steve & Co.?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 01:05 AM)
Still does not negate the fact that Apple may ship only US iPads with iBook app installed, and remove it from the Asian iPads with no options to download the iBook app anywhere. Any app installed as a built-in(Youtube, Maps, etc), you don't see it being redownloadable as a separate download. Unless somewhere along the road, jailbreaking the iPAd is made possible, and allows custom installation of singular apps irregardless of region.
Well, the question that I'm asking here is, has there ever been any software or firmware from Apple that is region specific? Only thing there ever was that does this is the iPhone with its sim lock, but even for that, its still the same firmware that runs on the iPhones regardless of simlock or no simlock.

Like I said, very much a software logistics nightmare that could be easily resolved by controlling it in a single location instead, via the iTunes account.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 01:14 AM)
Well, the question that I'm asking here is, has there ever been any software or firmware from Apple that is region specific? Only thing there ever was that does this is the iPhone with its sim lock, but even for that, its still the same firmware that runs on the iPhones regardless of simlock or no simlock.

Like I said, very much a software logistics nightmare that could be easily resolved by controlling it in a single location instead, via the iTunes account.
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I'm only recalling iPhone locked firmware.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 30 2010, 01:16 AM)
I'm only recalling iPhone locked firmware.
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That's a sim lock. But the firmware versions are still the same, regardless of whether the phone is simlocked or no.
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And the fact remains, it is a pain to those without the technical know-how to do so, if there is indeed anyway to get the iBook app into non-US iPad the unconventional way, if that is what you're implying.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 01:19 AM)
And the fact remains, it is a pain to those without the technical know-how to do so, if there is indeed anyway to get the iBook app into non-US iPad the unconventional way, if that is what you're implying.
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No, I'm saying that the iBook app is likely going to exist in all iPads anyways, 'cause they're most likely to be controlling the ebook purchases in the same way that they've been controlling regional audio/video/app purchases all these time. Via the iTunes store account.


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well that is from your situation, in western countries, blu ray movies can be rented at much cheaper price, which is also what Apple worries about

Apple being one of the members of bluray association, it is shocking to see Steve Job's view towards BD as "bags of hurts"

the reason being lies in Apple's business structure, unlike Google and MS, Apple invest their costs in hardware, software, and digital distribution. They have no other source of revenue apart from these three. This is the fundamental fact that potential Apple buyers including fanboys should know
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Which also brings up the other question of, how many ppl actually watch bluray disks on their computers anyways, instead of on that huge flatscreen in the living room?

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Which also brings up the other question of, how many ppl actually watch bluray disks on their computers anyways, instead of on that huge flatscreen in the living room?
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which goes back to the point "Apple is self-centric"

they just refuse to go with the flow, let's see how many years it take them to finally put in a card reader in MacBook

the mainstream brand like Dell, Acer, etc are bundling BD drive on mid-highend lineups, along with HDMI port, that makes the laptop a good BD player to families without a dedicated BD player.

however, Apple will always be different, they despise HDMI for unknown reasons, they look down on the idea of turning Mac into HTPC, to me they are just weird.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 01:22 AM)
No, I'm saying that the iBook app is likely going to exist in all iPads anyways, 'cause they're most likely to be controlling the ebook purchases in the same way that they've been controlling regional audio/video/app purchases all these time. Via the iTunes store account.


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Which also brings up the other question of, how many ppl actually watch bluray disks on their computers anyways, instead of on that huge flatscreen in the living room?
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Not likely. Scroll back to the post I made about iBook being made available to the US only(either permanently or for the time being). That alone shows that the app will only be made available in US iPAds. The webpage for the Asian iPads that I've linked made no mention whatsoever about the existence of the iBook app. Makes no sense making that available on the Asian iPads and posting a footnote saying it is only made available in the US only, doesn't it?

AS for the BD question, again, I do. If the option does made availlable, why not? Panasonic does not manufacture their DMP-BD15 portable BD player for stationary use. This also helps accelerated adoption of the BD format, instead of having to be content with DVDs or if I want a step up above that, the Apple's so-called HD movie. Like I said before, Apple's systematically eliminating competition to its business model by denying the alternative options itself.


Added on January 30, 2010, 1:38 amWell, looks like the worry of Micro-Sim format being incompatible with current sim card sizes may be unfounded.

Don't worry about the iPad's Micro-Sim, just trim yours down.

Anyone's up for the mutilation of their own sim cards? laugh.gif Oh and do remember to have a backup plan on putting that very same sim card back into some form acceptable into the iPhone/your favourite 3G modem slot. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 01:34 AM)
Not likely. Scroll back to the post I made about iBook being made available to the US only(either permanently or for the time being). That alone shows that the app will only be made available in US iPAds. The webpage for the Asian iPads that I've linked made no mention whatsoever about the existence of the iBook app. Makes no sense making that available on the Asian iPads and posting a footnote saying it is only made available in the US only, doesn't it?
Ah.. but what exactly does the 'iBook' term here refer to anyways? The app? Or the iBook store service? After all, even before the iTunes store availability, ppl have been dragging and dropping their own music and/or movies into iTunes (the desktop app) to be synced anyways.

And as per what I had asked earlier, any history of Apple offering region specific software or firmware? And does it make sense for them to start doing so when its something that can be controlled via the iTunes store account, especially considering that regional availability is more likely due to licensing reasons? Such regional licensing issues is something that needs to be resolved likely country by country. Imagine the logistical nightmare when it comes to the issuing of firmware updates later on too.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 01:34 AM)
AS for the BD question, again, I do. If the option does made availlable, why not? Panasonic does not manufacture their DMP-BD15 portable BD player for stationary use. This also helps accelerated adoption of the BD format, instead of having to be content with DVDs or if I want a step up above that, the Apple's so-called HD movie. Like I said before, Apple's systematically eliminating competition to its business model by denying the alternative options itself.
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I'm not asking if you do. I'm asking exactly how many ppl actually watches such movies on their computers instead of on that wide screen TV in the living room.
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I'm not asking if you do. I'm asking exactly how many ppl actually watches such movies on their computers instead of on that wide screen TV in the living room.
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I do and so does a lot of people uses their laptops as a portable DVD player. I'm sure lots like to watch movies in their bed and most non-tech savvy people couldn't bother with ripping and just play it right out of the disc.

Blu-ray is the future and DVD will be obsolete in time. Period. That's how technology works. A new tech comes in and pushes the old one away.

Is Apple going to be left in the dust because its a big bag of hurt?
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Click that link, and this is specifically being asterisked:-

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Continuing on:-

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Download the free app from the App Store and buy everything from classics to best sellers from the built-in iBookstore.


It does point towards the app being made available for free from the AppStore, as an app, from the specific region, namely the US.

The BD question:-

Can't answer that, I'm not with AC Nielsen. Which is the reason again, I reiterate, CTO only, not a platform-wide adoption. They provided Matte/Clear screen option for their MBPs as a CTO, why not the BD? Pass the cost to the consumer, let them decide if the extra cost is worth it or not. IF it is a licensing issue, I guess being on the BD Consortium does not really curry any favours to Apple on helping them adopt the BD format faster. I thought that is the reason being on the board of directors on the said consortium?*shrugs*

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QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 30 2010, 01:46 AM)
I do and so does a lot of people uses their laptops as a portable DVD player. I'm sure lots like to watch movies in their bed and most non-tech savvy people couldn't bother with ripping and just play it right out of the disc.

Blu-ray is the future and DVD will be obsolete in time. Period. That's how technology works. A new tech comes in and pushes the old one away.

Is Apple going to be left in the dust because its a big bag of hurt?
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Well, you just hit the spot with the term here: 'portable DVD player'. There's heaps of DVD disks all over the place. But what's the average ratio of DVD / BluRay ownership anyways?

Sure, BluRay is the future, but its as per the question that I had asked, its the adoption rate high enough that most people feel the need to watch bluray on their portable computers?

I'll agree that Apple could have offered it as a Custom To Order option, and my guess that they did not is because they would prefer to cut down on the number of options available whenever they can, for purposes of simplifying the supply chain issue.
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I guess on the supply chain issue, the screens are cheaper than the BD drives. *shrug*

No biggie, Apple's loss, Alienware's gain.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 01:51 AM)
Click that link, and this is specifically being asterisked:-
Continuing on:-
It does point towards the app being made available for free from the AppStore, as an app, from the specific region, namely the US.
Ahh.. so its an app to be downloaded separately. well, that still reinforces my original argument though, that its regional control via the iTunes account rather than something that you need to hack the firmware to get it into your iPad if you happened to live outside the US.

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The BD question:-

Can't answer that, I'm not with AC Nielsen. Which is the reason again, I reiterate, CTO only, not a platform-wide adoption. They provided Matte/Clear screen option for their MBPs as a CTO, why not the BD? Pass the cost to the consumer, let them decide if the extra cost is worth it or not. IF it is a licensing issue, I guess being on the BD Consortium does not really curry any favours to Apple on helping them adopt the BD format faster. I thought that is the reason being on the board of directors on the said consortium?*shrugs*
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Well, if you're to compare the matt/gloss screens, quite a lot of ppl who are too used to matt screens had been screaming over the annoyance of seeing their own reflections. In this case, its something where the target market are more or less evenly split between gloss or matt.

But when it comes to BD, is the demand for it that high though? And mind you, Apple does have a history of wanting to keep their inventory lines as simplified as possible. To me, this is the most likely reason for them not offering it as a CTO.
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frankly speaking, what is the average cost for a BD ROM drive? the cost has dropped tremendously since last year, there's not even the need for CTO, just include it in the highest end model of iMac and MBP and that would still not hurt the profit margin.

oh and by including BD drive in certain models only, Apple have to recode the OS and Apps to include support for BD playback. But by doing that, the OS/Hardware integration will not become as consistent as before, as the BD drive will only be available in certain models only, but the code that enables the playback is available even on Mac Mini, that kinda violate Apple's philosophy I guess


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In that case, I need more screaming folks then, and to get people to split evenly between DVDs and BDs. Catch 22 though, you wont get people moving up to BD if they dont leave DVDs behind.

But funny though, Alienware's lineup is relatively clean as well, even simpler than Apple in fact, (2 laptops compared to 3 laptops on Apple's side), but they do provide CTOs for BD drives. And here I thought Apple demands a premium from its users, and gets first dibs at things. *more shrugs*

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 02:12 AM)
frankly speaking, what is the average cost for a BD ROM drive? the cost has dropped tremendously since last year, there's not even the need for CTO, just  include it in the highest end model of iMac and MBP and that would still not hurt the profit margin.
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There's a difference between the cost of an average optical drive of such types, and the cost of having to add one more item into your supply chain to be managed you know.
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now we're talking about BD drives? tongue.gif

being the future or not, the media is still expensive. maybe it'd make sense if we have some official bluray rental service in malaysia la (do we?). about adoption rates hmm...well i wont call it mainstream yet, so superdrive is fine with me smile.gif

plus, apple would rather have u purchase HD movies from itunes store. i actually prefer that though since its much much cheaper, only rm50+ compared to rm149. of course bluray got extras2 lah, whatever that is ;p
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:13 AM)
In that case, I need more screaming folks then, and to get people to split evenly between DVDs and BDs. Catch 22 though, you wont get people moving up to BD if they dont leave DVDs behind.

But funny though, Alienware's lineup is relatively clean as well, even simpler than Apple in fact, (2 laptops compared to 3 laptops on Apple's side), but they do provide CTOs for BD drives. And here I thought Apple demands a premium from its users, and gets first dibs at things. *more shrugs*
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Why yes of course, the faster you can convince people to switch their DVDs to BDs, the faster you'll get Apple to offer such optical disks in their product offerings smile.gif

edit: gee. Alienware really cut down on their product range. there was around 5-6 different models a year ago that I noticed, when my aunt asked me to help vet through their notebooks 'cause my cousin was asking for one.

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Have you even compare the Image Quality between iTunes HD content and BDs? For the amount you pay for the HD content on iTunes, you can go out, and purchase actual physical media, on a physical BD, and have better content image resolution than iTunes 720p movies.

If you're not picky, then that's fine by me, but I thought Malaysians are the "best bang for the buck" kinda crowd. I find it surprising that you'd pick a HD download with low bitrate over the actual Full HD content on physical media itself.

About adoption rates, let's not go there, it will be an endless circle of "price cheaper when more people buy, more people buy then only cheaper" loop with no end in sight. BD is already mainstream in the US, the only reason it is not picked up as enthusiastically here is because it is made expensive here because of the jacked-up premium for the officially-made available BD selections here due to low demand/pickup rate. Be a smart consumer, use Amazon. tongue.gif You cant go wrong with USD19.99 BD title compared to the similarly priced(or sometimes more expensive) HD download from iTunes.


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Why yes of course, the faster you can convince people to switch their DVDs to BDs, the faster you'll get Apple to offer such optical disks in their product offerings smile.gif

edit: gee. Alienware really cut down on their product range. there was around 5-6 different models a year ago that I noticed, when my aunt asked me to help vet through their notebooks 'cause my cousin was asking for one.
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Funny how Apple who holds interest in the consortium responsibleand financially benefiting from further expansion on the adoption of the Blu-ray format, is uninterested in collecting revenue by offering it in their product lineup, while companies like Alienware, whom I assume holds no monetary gains out of including BD in their options, are more willing than the company(Apple) holding stakes in it.

Nope. My recent Alienware purchase was 2 years back, and they still only have the M15 and M17, before moving to the M series with the X moniker. Two only. Unless you're talking about their refurbished store, in which case, Apple themselves do provide the same service as well. Or if you're talking about their dekstop lineup, which also only two, the Aurora and the ALX series. Simpler than Apple's(Mac Pro and Mac Mini) offering, yet more willing to offer BD option, than Apple. Funny how things go in this world, isn't it?

Which still conveniently does not explain Apple's refusal for CTO for the BD drive, while a smaller entity like Alienware provides. Weird eh? whistling.gif


Added on January 30, 2010, 2:34 amBTW, I'm just killing time here, waiting for my Saw VI to finish downloading from iTunes. Also be buying the BD when I'm in LA next week. More revenue for Apple, both from iTunes and BD. Sad that I can't play the BD on their portables though. sad.gif

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:24 AM)
Funny how Apple who holds interest in the consortium responsibleand financially benefiting from further expansion on the adoption of the Blu-ray format, is uninterested in collecting revenue by offering it in their product lineup, while companies like Alienware, whom I assume holds no monetary gains out of including BD in their options, are more willing than the company(Apple) holding stakes in it.
Like I said, supply chain cost vs how much money they can make by offering it as CTO

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:24 AM)
Nope. My recent Alienware purchase was 2 years back, and they still only have the M15 and M17, before moving to the M series with the X moniker. Two only. Unless you're talking about their refurbished store, in which case, Apple themselves do provide the same service as well. Or if you're talking about their dekstop lineup, which also only two, the Aurora and the ALX series. Simpler than Apple's(Mac Pro and Mac Mini) offering, yet more willing to offer BD option, than Apple. Funny how things go in this world, isn't it?
A private school kid wanting to get a refurb? laugh.gif Not likely. Then again, I was looking at the Australian store where he'll be making the purchase from. 4 models there right now apparently.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:24 AM)
Which still conveniently does not explain Apple's refusal for CTO for the BD drive, while a smaller entity like Alienware provides. Weird eh? whistling.gif
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Well yeah, but you do realize that both of them are actually in different market segments right?
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Like I said, supply chain cost vs how much money they can make by offering it as CTO
A private school kid wanting to get a refurb?  laugh.gif  Not likely. Then again, I was looking at the Australian store where he'll be making the purchase from. 4 models there right now apparently.
Well yeah, but you do realize that both of them are actually in different market segments right?
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So you're saying Apple's more interested in their bottom line than catering to the needs, however niche, of their customers? As for the supply chain, does a position in the board of directors holds no benefit for them? Surely people would think that Apple would be more like to get first dibs and priority and the ease of securing parts compared to those only licensing BD technology. I'd be quick to get out of any position I hold I don't get special privileges over the products I preside over.

The OZ store only has two Alienware models, the M17x and the M15x. The rest are Dell's premium Adamo lineup which are not related to Alienware. Still simpler than Apple's 3 different models.

One's for gaming, and the other's for......? Either way, both impose premiums over their customers when buying their products. Still does not explain why Alienware offers BD and Apple doesn't. I don't see games being distributed on BD discs for the PC market. In fact, the creative professionals using their Macbooks are the loudest clamoring for BD inclusion so that they can include them in their work assignments (burning HD movie dailies and shipping them overnight for studio review on different side of the continent, for example).



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You two are going way off topic. What does Blu-ray have anything to do with Apple iPad?
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You two are going way off topic. What does Blu-ray have anything to do with Apple iPad?
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Nothing, actually. My points are seductive most of the time, ripe for the picking, hence the derailing posts.

My attempt to steer this back on track, on the iPad.tongue.gif
Has Apple Lost It's Mojo?
FOX News reporting on the reaction towards the iPad.

Yeay! Saw VI download done from iTunes. Excuse me while I have my fill of much needed gore after the iPad disappointment. wink.gif
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Hmm, Gizmodo makes a fair point that the iPad is akin to the DS LL which it actually caters for the senior demographics.

http://gizmodo.com/5458855/the-apple-ipad-is-for-old-people
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so u are gonna spend 1.8k on something just to read pdf? you have too much money to spare thats for sure. ever consider donating $ to haiti fund?  :respect
In a way, yes, I have money too spend... tongue.gif

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As for Edoras' case, PDF-to-epub conversion can be very messy. I've used an application called Calibre to do that, and almost all the time, the formatting on the PDF is removed during the conversion, resulting in epub articles with flawed paragraphing, or weird punctuations and spacing. Not to mention line sentences haywiredly rendered with no control over the article formatting. You can forget graph/table/diagram/picture heavy PDFs, these will be destroyed format-wise, during the conversion.

Now, with that in mind Edoras,.......now what?
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I think the reason they removed most of the format is because they need to fit the size of the iPhone/iPod screen.
What if they maintained all the format for the iPad version which have a normal big size screen?
I am sure the developers of iPad will find ways to do this.

Have you tried the mac desktop version of PDF reader called Yep?
If they have this iPad version of Yep, it would be sufficient for me.

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Guys, I dun own an ipod touch nor iphone (or any other apple product) before.

I wanted a tablet to read PDF and movies. Is iPad my best bet?
Or this Acer Aspire 1420P:
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&sour...er+aspire+1420p
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Anyone got any idea when it will arrive in malaysia?
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Anyone got any idea when it will arrive in malaysia?
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I really think Apple have got it wrong with the iPad. They were thinking of a scaled up iPhone but what people wanted was a scaled down Mac. It would made more sense as netbooks run scaled down desktop OS.
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well, i do think they pick the right choice of OS, now it's massive transition period.
cuz mac os x is way too heavy OS for a thin piece device like this

i see where it can shine, in future but not with iphone os 3.2

see, the app in larger screen like games is not just enlarge, wasted the quality. The OS now could run Open GL to double the pixel, great potential coming.

just check engadget's post on iPad SDK, it seem like alot thing is awaiting to bring out yet.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 01:57 AM)
Well, you just hit the spot with the term here: 'portable DVD player'. There's heaps of DVD disks all over the place. But what's the average ratio of DVD / BluRay ownership anyways?

Sure, BluRay is the future, but its as per the question that I had asked, its the adoption rate high enough that most people feel the need to watch bluray on their portable computers?

I'll agree that Apple could have offered it as a Custom To Order option, and my guess that they did not is because they would prefer to cut down on the number of options available whenever they can, for purposes of simplifying the supply chain issue.
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do bear in mind that BD adoption rate in msia do not represent the rest of the world. it is far from truth.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:24 AM)
Have you even compare the Image Quality between iTunes HD content and BDs? For the amount you pay for the HD content on iTunes, you can go out, and purchase actual physical media, on a physical BD,  and have better content image resolution than iTunes 720p movies.

If you're not picky, then that's fine by me, but I thought Malaysians are the "best bang for the buck" kinda crowd. I find it surprising that you'd pick a HD download with low bitrate over the actual Full HD content on physical media itself.

About adoption rates, let's not go there, it will be an endless circle of "price cheaper when more people buy, more people buy then only cheaper" loop with no end in sight. BD is already mainstream in the US, the only reason it is not picked up as enthusiastically here is because it is made expensive here because of the jacked-up premium for the officially-made available BD selections here due to low demand/pickup rate. Be a smart consumer, use Amazon. tongue.gif You cant go wrong with USD19.99 BD title compared to the similarly priced(or sometimes more expensive) HD download from iTunes.


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Funny how Apple who holds interest in the consortium responsibleand financially benefiting from further expansion on the adoption of the Blu-ray format, is uninterested in collecting revenue by offering it in their product lineup, while companies like Alienware, whom I assume holds no monetary gains out of including BD in their options, are more willing than the company(Apple) holding stakes in it.

Nope. My recent Alienware purchase was 2 years back, and they still only have the M15 and M17, before moving to the M series with the X moniker. Two only. Unless you're talking about their refurbished store, in which case, Apple themselves do provide the same service as well. Or if you're talking about their dekstop lineup, which also only two, the Aurora and the ALX series. Simpler than Apple's(Mac Pro and Mac Mini) offering, yet more willing to offer BD option, than Apple. Funny how things go in this world, isn't it?

Which still conveniently does not explain Apple's refusal for CTO for the BD drive, while a smaller entity like Alienware provides. Weird eh? whistling.gif


Added on January 30, 2010, 2:34 amBTW, I'm just killing time here, waiting for my Saw VI to finish downloading from iTunes. Also be buying the BD when I'm in LA next week. More revenue for Apple, both from iTunes and BD. Sad that I can't play the BD on their portables though. sad.gif
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one thing you may forget, has size of BD Drive slim down so it can fit into mac computer? (but i have no idea why MacPro dont have)
back to 1st gen macbook pro, apple asked the dvd drive to be slimmer down couple mm, engineersi fujitsu started headache

perhaps, it could be hardware restriction right now yet
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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Jan 30 2010, 08:32 AM)
Guys, I dun own an ipod touch nor iphone (or any other apple product) before.

I wanted a tablet to read PDF and movies. Is iPad my best bet?
Or this Acer Aspire 1420P:
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&sour...er+aspire+1420p
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Can i ask for 1 question 【Out of topict 】
if i buy IPAD in singpore , can i claim warranty in malaysia ?
Do APPLE suppport international warranty ?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:52 AM)
So you're saying Apple's more interested in their bottom line than catering to the needs, however niche, of their customers?
Why yes of course. Apple is a commercial entity after all, and seriously speaking, I'm not under any illusion of them being that super nice. Are you under that illusion?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:52 AM)
As for the supply chain, does a position in the board of directors holds no benefit for them? Surely people would think that Apple would be more like to get first dibs and priority and the ease of securing parts compared to those only licensing BD technology. I'd be quick to get out of any position I hold I don't get special privileges over the products I preside over.
How exactly does the BoD position relate to the supply chain when the demand may not be that high? Also, keep in mind that unlike LED panels, or flash chips, or custom CPUs, etc, optical drives are still pretty much commodity items (although pricier than the rest of the optical drives). Looking at Apple's history, they're not gonna be remotely interested in the first dibs and the securing parts unless its something that they can hog all to themselves. Let's be realistic shall we, do you really want Apple to try to hog BD all to themselves?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:52 AM)
The OZ store only has two Alienware models, the M17x and the M15x. The rest are Dell's premium Adamo lineup which are not related to Alienware. Still simpler than Apple's 3 different models.
One's for gaming, and the other's for......? Either way, both impose premiums over their customers when buying their products. Still does not explain why Alienware offers BD and Apple doesn't. I don't see games being distributed on BD discs for the PC market. In fact, the creative professionals using their Macbooks are the loudest clamoring for BD inclusion so that they can include them in their work assignments (burning HD movie dailies and shipping them overnight for studio review on different side of the continent, for example).
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Well, when Alienware has got Dell's supply chain backing them up, they do not have to swallow the supply chain costs on their own right?

And as for the creative professionals, dO they really burn to BD for such shipping? But seriously lar, have you seen the average size and length of such video chips that's usually worked on? Even the HD variants? Very seldom do you get these video clips being over 4GB in size. Its not an issue of DVD medium size limitations either, but get any bigger than that, and its gonna be real cumbersome to work with, unless its the final product that's being assembled.


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Can i ask for 1 question 【Out of topict 】
if i buy IPAD in singpore , can i claim warranty in malaysia ?
Do APPLE suppport international warranty ?
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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 30 2010, 10:14 AM)
do bear in mind that BD adoption rate in msia do not represent the rest of the world. it is far from truth.
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well, its as per the questions that I had asked:
- so what's the average adoption ratio worldwide anyways?
- and how many people feel the need to watch BD on their computers instead of on that big widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to some mega sound system?


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Wi-Fi is launched internationally on the same date, "60 days from now". US gets 3G models "90 days from now" but international 3G models depends on the negotiation of local telco which is expected around June to July.
I really think Apple have got it wrong with the iPad. They were thinking of a scaled up iPhone but what people wanted was a scaled down Mac. It would made more sense as netbooks run scaled down desktop OS.
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Not really. As I've mentioned before, try to take an OS where the normal method of input is via keyboard/mouse or touchpad, and drop it into a tablet without a keyboard/touchpad that fully utilizes a touchscreen and you're in a world of pain indeed.

Your comparison on the netbooks is kinda flawed for that reason, because the netbook still uses the standard keyboard/touchpad interface.

Those people with computers with touchscreens running a normal desktop OS, how much do they make use of the touchscreen anyways for normal day to day use? Apart for dedicated uses where a dedicated app is run all the time?

I'll agree with you that ppl want a scaled down Mac instead of a scaled up iPhone, but I'l here highlighting the fact that its an easier transition (from the human interface perspective) to scale up from the iPhone interface than to scale down from a Desktop OS interface.


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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Jan 30 2010, 10:11 AM)
well, i do think they pick the right choice of OS, now it's massive transition period.
cuz mac os x is way too heavy OS for a thin piece device like this

i see where it can shine, in future but not with iphone os 3.2

see, the app in larger screen like games is not just enlarge, wasted the quality. The OS now could run Open GL to double the pixel, great potential coming.
Its not just about the hardware requirements of the OS. human interface design needs to be completely revamped for the entire desktop OS due to changes in the human input method.

QUOTE(cRazYee @ Jan 30 2010, 10:11 AM)
just check engadget's post on iPad SDK, it seem like alot thing is awaiting to bring out yet.
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isn't that still under NDA? that's the reason why I've refrained from saying anything about the SDK at all.

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 12:28 AM)
lol... imagine how would the sales from Machines explain the feature of iPad to customers, one day I should go in and ask too rclxms.gif

I would ask "why should I buy this thing, what makes it soooo awesoome"

Apple is indeed the world's most ego-centric company whistling.gif
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Right now, iPad is not better, but who knows after 2nd/ 3rd Gen its more capable to run many important task like multitask.
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an OT question: is external BD drive supported in Mac? Does Snow Leopard includes the necessary components to read/write Bluray?
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In a way, yes, I have money too spend... tongue.gif
I think the reason they removed most of the format is because they need to fit the size of the iPhone/iPod screen.
What if they maintained all the format for the iPad version which have a normal big size screen?
I am sure the developers of iPad will find ways to do this.

Have you tried the mac desktop version of PDF reader called Yep?
If they have this iPad version of Yep, it would be sufficient for me.
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Nope, I use Calibre to convert my own work PDFs into my Kindle 2, which after its own firmware update, reads PDF natively. I tried converting that PDF to epub, and transfer over, and that's where the problem is, the formating, the paragraphing and punctuation haywiring, etc. Now, I'm not sure on how the iPAd reads PDFs or if you are planning to get it to read via epub format, but either way, looking at the closed ecosystem of the iPAd, does not look good.

All these headaches can easily be alleviated if just make what everyone is clamoring about: a an actual tablet running Mac OS X.
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QUOTE(Only_Human @ Jan 30 2010, 10:42 AM)
Can i ask for 1 question 【Out of topict 】
if i buy IPAD in singpore , can i claim warranty in malaysia ?
Do APPLE suppport international warranty ?
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Ironically, your question is the only one in this page that is not out of topic.

Yes, Apple do support international warranty. Just bring your receipt to any Apple distributor ie. Machines, Mac City and with a validate warranty.
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Added on January 30, 2010, 11:01 am
well, its as per the questions that I had asked:
- so what's the average adoption ratio worldwide anyways?
- and how many people feel the need to watch BD on their computers instead of on that big widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to some mega sound system?
idk as i couldnt be bothered to look up for it but 1 thing is for sure. as HDTV become more common (already is as of now) and BD-players prices dropping, it could only mean the rise of BD adoption rate. anyway if u frequent our LYN garage sales/games thread, you cant help but to notice more BD threads compared to a year ago, and this is msia, 1 of the slowest of them all.

i do agree that BD on laptop is still a niche thing but i dont see why it should be ignored by apple. it is not a matter of how many ppl uses it or not. it is just like saying we should ignore OSX user because they are niche. anyway i personally dont watch much movies with laptop (maybe cuz i dont have a wuxga/full hd display lol) you could create a poll if you are interested but im guessing it should be >15% at least

QUOTE(nawzi @ Jan 30 2010, 11:28 AM)
At the time u holding the device, then u know how awesome is...
Right now, iPad is not better, but who knows after 2nd/ 3rd Gen its more capable to run many important task like multitask.
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this is exactly what i meant earlier, adding simple capability that already exist in products NOW will wow a mac/apple fan. i must say, the thing i admire most about steve is his brain washing skills.

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Anyone knows when its going to be sold in malaysia? going to buy 1
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so , who copy who?
ipad copy p88? hmm.gif

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so , who copy who?
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http://shanghaiist.com/2010/01/29/p88-chin...-sues-apple.php
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i think apple has become a victim of its own 'greatness'...in a way. whenever there's a new product launch, people will anticipate and expect apple to deliver OUT OF THIS WORLD product. but for iPad, i see it more like a necessity, more than OUT OF THIS WORLD.

i'm from the publishing n printing industry (but i'm IT guy la) and i can see where the trend is moving - it's moving away from prints and papers. so Apple with this iPad and the new online book store, is gonna be the pioneer. Sure, Kindle is already there but....seriously....i feel like i gonna sleep when i look at Kindle.

Also, there are a lot of things that iPad can do even by using the existing iPhone SDK (3.2 of course). imagine having an interactive book. yes, there's 1 company doing that already in the States.

so to say i'm disappointed with this iPad...not really. i'm quite happy with what it has to offer and quite okay with the price (it's IPS panel..not cheap also). and most importantly, i see this as a shift in the publishing industry and a push for more contents in the future...which is good for consumers like us. smile.gif

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 12:02 PM)
Nope, I use Calibre to convert my own work PDFs into my Kindle 2, which after its own firmware update, reads PDF natively. I tried converting that PDF to epub, and transfer over, and that's where the problem is, the formating, the paragraphing and punctuation haywiring, etc. Now, I'm not sure on how the iPAd reads PDFs or if you are planning to get it to read via epub format, but either way, looking at the closed ecosystem of the iPAd, does not look good.

All these headaches can easily be alleviated if just make what everyone is clamoring about: a an actual tablet running Mac OS X.
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I think if iPad runs Mac OS X, the consumers will still complain and asks for more memory, more CPU performance, bigger HDD, higher res, thinner device etc.. Even if Apple can do this, it will not be able to offer the price lower than USD 499. Furthermore, with the kind of hardware specs the consumers demand, the battery will not last more than 3 hours just like the Macbook.

I think Apple have tested that Mac OS version iPad.

Furthermore, the apps for iPad is compatible with iPhone/iPods which is far cheaper than those on Mac OS X.
Just my 2 cents..

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 30 2010, 12:30 PM)
idk as i couldnt be bothered to look up for it but 1 thing is for sure. as HDTV become more common (already is as of now) and BD-players prices dropping, it could only mean the rise of BD adoption rate. anyway if u frequent our LYN garage sales/games thread, you cant help but to notice more BD threads compared to a year ago, and this is msia, 1 of the slowest of them all.

i do agree that BD on laptop is still a niche thing but i dont see why it should be ignored by apple. it is not a matter of how many ppl uses it or not. it is just like saying we should ignore OSX user because they are niche. anyway i personally dont watch much movies with laptop (maybe cuz i dont have a wuxga/full hd display lol) you could create a poll if you are interested but im guessing it should be >15% at least
this is exactly what i meant earlier, adding simple capability that already exist in products NOW will wow a mac/apple fan. i must say, the thing i admire most about steve is his brain washing skills.
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Ah yes, but do not forget that there's 2 parts to my question. Of those who had adopted, exactly how many of them have the need to watch it on their mobile computers rather than on that huge widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to a nice sound system?

And are OS X users really being ignored to that extent? Seriously though, what's stopping you from getting a 3rd party BD drive and hooking it up via firewire anyways?


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Hi, I saw the iPad model Wi-Fi + 3G model specs below:

* UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
* GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
* Data only2
* Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
* Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology

Is that mean i can use it as a phone to call someone? Or just can use 3G service only?

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QUOTE(daydreaming @ Jan 30 2010, 02:01 PM)
i think apple has become a victim of its own 'greatness'...in a way. whenever there's a new product launch, people will anticipate and expect apple to deliver OUT OF THIS WORLD product. but for iPad, i see it more like a necessity, more than OUT OF THIS WORLD.

i'm from the publishing n printing industry (but i'm IT guy la) and i can see where the trend is moving - it's moving away from prints and papers. so Apple with this iPad and the new online book store, is gonna be the pioneer. Sure, Kindle is already there but....seriously....i feel like i gonna sleep when i look at Kindle.

Also, there are a lot of things that iPad can do even by using the existing iPhone SDK (3.2 of course). imagine having an interactive book. yes, there's 1 company doing that already in the States.

so to say i'm disappointed with this iPad...not really. i'm quite happy with what it has to offer and quite okay with the price (it's IPS panel..not cheap also). and most importantly, i see this as a shift in the publishing industry and a push for more contents in the future...which is good for consumers like us. smile.gif

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For someone from that said industry, you fail to realise one important thing: Reading on an LED/LCD screen, especially on bright daylight, or outside in the park, or in libraries, where ambient light is involved, the very glare you get from the environment around you will detract from an enjoyable reading experience. Which is why, no matter how "sleepy" the Kindle looks, it succeeds in delivering the right reason of why people read the books in the first place: Readability. E-Ink screens, yes with that "sleepy" looking 16 shades of grey look is NECESSARY to emulate the look and the experience of reading an actual book. Pixel-Qi is where the eBook reading screens are going next, with the ability to switch between color LCD and simulating e-Ink without stressing the eyes. Have you ever tried reading an eBook for extended period of time on an LED/LCD screen? I have, and I get stinging sensations and tiredness as I pass the 1 hour mark reading from my Viliv or the Macbook Air screen. You don't get that from the "sleepy" looking Kindle, because it emulates the actual experience of reading a book, with its "sleepy" looking 16 shades of grey. Amazon did not simply choose this screen out of convenience to them, or budget cuts, they looked into the reading habits of avid readers and what they want for their own enjoyable reading experience. I sure enjoy reading my Kindle for extended period of time, I read it before going to bed, just like how I do them on an actual physical book. Question is, is that "sleepy" remark made due to the look of the Kindle, or have you even tried a Kindle before?

I'm right up there when it comes to the cutting edge. I've tried it all. Stanza, Kindle,.....even audiobooks from Audible and Random House. Nothing can measure up to reading an actual print-n-paper physical book, but Kindle got it right with its choice of screen, "sleepy" or otherwise.


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And are OS X users really being ignored to that extent? Seriously though, what's stopping you from getting a 3rd party BD drive and hooking it up via firewire anyways?


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Yup. External BD drives are only capable of acting as data storage/writing devices. No application in Mac OS X is able to play a BD movie. It's like Apple giving access to one and denying access to the other.

I'm not going down that road about BD adoption rate. Enough to say that at this juncture, while other companies provide BD CTOs for their higher end lineup, Apple does not, for reasons only known to them. And since they're not talking, doesn't stop people from speculating. And part of the speculation stems from protecting their own revenue from sales on iTunes vs BD playback.

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QUOTE(rstusa @ Jan 30 2010, 02:32 PM)
Hi, I saw the iPad model Wi-Fi + 3G model specs below:

    * UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
    * GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
    * Data only2
    * Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
    * Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology

Is that mean i can use it as a phone to call someone? Or just can use 3G service only?
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data only. but the possibility of VOIP calls using skype is there
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I'm not quite familiar with Apple OS, but i would like to ask that the setup.exe software can be install in the iPad?


Added on January 30, 2010, 3:14 pmI'm not quite familiar with Apple OS, but i would like to ask that the setup.exe software using in the windows can be install in the iPad?

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I'm not quite familiar with Apple OS, but i would like to ask that the setup.exe software can be install in the iPad?


Added on January 30, 2010, 3:14 pmI'm not quite familiar with Apple OS, but i would like to ask that the setup.exe software using in the windows can be install in the iPad?
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QUOTE(rstusa @ Jan 30 2010, 03:13 PM)
I'm not quite familiar with Apple OS, but i would like to ask that the setup.exe software can be install in the iPad?


Added on January 30, 2010, 3:14 pmI'm not quite familiar with Apple OS, but i would like to ask that the setup.exe software using in the windows can be install in the iPad?
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Its like the iPhone, all your applications are from the AppStore where Apple filters all the apps that goes through and takes a chunk of the price as tax.
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Yup. External BD drives are only capable of acting as data storage/writing devices. No application in Mac OS X is able to play a BD movie. It's like Apple giving access to one and denying access to the other.

I'm not going down that road about BD adoption rate. Enough to say that at this juncture, while other companies provide BD CTOs for their higher end lineup, Apple does not, for reasons only known to them. And since they're not talking, doesn't stop people from speculating. And part of the speculation stems from protecting their own revenue from sales on iTunes vs BD playback.
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because if they do, it would violate their philosophy, every piece of software developed by Apple must have perfect integration with Apple hardware, its their insistence. No official BD hardware, means no official support in the OS either. The only way to watch BD movie -- Run Windows on the iMac and connect an external BD via USB/Firewire. It sure will be laughed by Windows guys though

its not about adoption rate and costs involved, it is downright clear that they want to stay off from competition.
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I'm gonna let you guys keep arguing about it... I'll reserve my judgements & comments till the actual thing is in my hands & I've tried it.

so far, a few journalists I respect & trust have said some very nice things, especially after trying it out for a few minutes. lets wait n see, k? smile.gif
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 30 2010, 04:26 PM)
I'm gonna let you guys keep arguing about it... I'll reserve my judgements & comments till the actual thing is in my hands & I've tried it.

so far, a few journalists I respect & trust have said some very nice things, especially after trying it out for a few minutes. lets wait n see, k? smile.gif
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Care to share the very nice things?
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 30 2010, 04:26 PM)
I'm gonna let you guys keep arguing about it... I'll reserve my judgements & comments till the actual thing is in my hands & I've tried it.

so far, a few journalists I respect & trust have said some very nice things, especially after trying it out for a few minutes. lets wait n see, k? smile.gif
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i agreed with u...my onli concern nw is when i can have tis toy???dun k is US, euro, SG, NZ, or AUS, i can bring it in...any idea and advice??
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Video puts iPad's features to perspective.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/11f2afbd5...ipad-commercial
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@ Voxe,
daringfireball.net has the links smile.gif
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 30 2010, 04:26 PM)
I'm gonna let you guys keep arguing about it... I'll reserve my judgements & comments till the actual thing is in my hands & I've tried it.

so far, a few journalists I respect & trust have said some very nice things, especially after trying it out for a few minutes. lets wait n see, k? smile.gif
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Wise, but I cant shake this feeling of "missed opportunities" that could have been possible if the damned thing uses MAC OS X.
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From what I read, most of the articles focusing on the fact iPad simplifying or the usability of computers using the iPhone UI for non-tech savvy. I don't think that the answer to the future computing product is to dumb down and make Fisher-Price-esque interface because some demographics are too lazy or scared to learn how to use a proper computer.
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Steve would disagree with you, cos that's what works. even for the average car or TV owner, they don't care what picture tube or what engine is inside.
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@ Voxe
Steve would disagree with you, cos that's what works. even for the average car or TV owner, they don't care what picture tube or what engine is inside.
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It might work but this product very un-Apple-ish in my opinion. The tablet was supposed to be in works for at least 7 years and Jobs has thrown out all the prototypes created over the time and this is the end result.

A lazy execution of what seems to be an enlarged iPod Touch with no revolutionary or innovative features which can't do any of its set goals properly. What happened to the magic that Apple had when they unveiled the iPhone? Has innovation run dry at Cupertino?
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I like the stargazing feature. You just switch on the gps the place the ipad towards the sky. It can list Down the stars you're looking at. Also I noticed it supports google streetview.
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I've decided, iPad should be same as Kindle category; eBook Reader.

It's like the iPod, which can use for web browsing, download app and gaming though it's part of Music Player category.
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@ Voxe
did you read the linked posts? Steve obviously threw out the past prototypes cos he (and the executive team at Apple) saw more potential in this product.

Let me quote from the keynote itself
"Netbooks aren't better at anything, they're just cheaper".

Do you really think its a lazy execution? instead of focusing on all the things it can't do for *you* and *I* ... who are admittedly geekier than most, perhaps Steve is trying to get our non-geek friends, who otherwise would never even consider carrying around a netbook / tablet Mac OR PC ... if they would get one, I'd count the iPad a success.

If Steve and the Apple crew find a way to build a tablet Mac, I'd be overjoyed too. I do find the keyboard a hassle to carry around, and I don't need the performance of a 2.4 GHz Mac all the time. Most of the time, I can do my computing just fine with a 2.0 smile.gif
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 02:28 PM)
Ah yes, but do not forget that there's 2 parts to my question. Of those who had adopted, exactly how many of them have the need to watch it on their mobile computers rather than on that huge widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to a nice sound system?

And are OS X users really being ignored to that extent? Seriously though, what's stopping you from getting a 3rd party BD drive and hooking it up via firewire anyways?


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in at least 60 days time?
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like i've said, it is not about how many ppl uses them. it is why they are not adding it in. stringfellow and dattebayo shares the same idea that i have.

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Yup. External BD drives are only capable of acting as data storage/writing devices. No application in Mac OS X is able to play a BD movie. It's like Apple giving access to one and denying access to the other.

I'm not going down that road about BD adoption rate. Enough to say that at this juncture, while other companies provide BD CTOs for their higher end lineup, Apple does not, for reasons only known to them. And since they're not talking, doesn't stop people from speculating. And part of the speculation stems from protecting their own revenue from sales on iTunes vs BD playback.
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 30 2010, 03:56 PM)
because if they do, it would violate their philosophy, every piece of software developed by Apple must have perfect integration with Apple hardware, its their insistence. No official BD hardware, means no official support in the OS either. The only way to watch BD movie -- Run Windows on the iMac and connect an external BD via USB/Firewire. It sure will be laughed by Windows guys though

its not about adoption rate and costs involved, it is downright clear that they want to stay off from competition.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 30 2010, 06:00 PM)
It might work but this product very un-Apple-ish in my opinion. The tablet was supposed to be in works for at least 7 years and Jobs has thrown out all the prototypes created over the time and this is the end result.

A lazy execution of what seems to be an enlarged iPod Touch with no revolutionary or innovative features which can't do any of its set goals properly. What happened to the magic that Apple had when they unveiled the iPhone? Has innovation run dry at Cupertino?
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exactly. the ipad does not sets itself a part from already existing products. it has redundancy written all over.


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Let me quote from the keynote itself
"Netbooks aren't better at anything, they're just cheaper".

Do you really think its a lazy execution? instead of focusing on all the things it can't do for *you* and *I* ... who are admittedly geekier than most, perhaps Steve is trying to get our non-geek friends, who otherwise would never even consider carrying around a netbook / tablet Mac OR PC ... if they would get one, I'd count the iPad a success.

If Steve and the Apple crew find a way to build a tablet Mac, I'd be overjoyed too. I do find the keyboard a hassle to carry around, and I don't need the performance of a  2.4 GHz Mac all the time. Most of the time, I can do my computing just fine with a 2.0 smile.gif
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i'll forward the question back to u. what is ipad better at then for that price? netbook is meant to be a more portable and/or affordable version of a laptop while ipad is?

also i found an interesting netbook model from Lenovo called S10-3t. It is a netbook tablet which makes more sense to me.

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People is hoping a device that can do multi tasking(so many apps in app store that for people to organize thoughs,mind mapping and they still expect people on and off app while brainstorming,planning etc), ebook reader(if ibook only available to US), surf most of website with the "iphoneish" experience. Ipad obvisouly failed and does not fit me.

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 30 2010, 07:56 PM)
@ Voxe
did you read the linked posts? Steve obviously threw out the past prototypes cos he (and the executive team at Apple) saw more potential in this product.

Let me quote from the keynote itself
"Netbooks aren't better at anything, they're just cheaper".

Do you really think its a lazy execution? instead of focusing on all the things it can't do for *you* and *I* ... who are admittedly geekier than most, perhaps Steve is trying to get our non-geek friends, who otherwise would never even consider carrying around a netbook / tablet Mac OR PC ... if they would get one, I'd count the iPad a success.

If Steve and the Apple crew find a way to build a tablet Mac, I'd be overjoyed too. I do find the keyboard a hassle to carry around, and I don't need the performance of a  2.4 GHz Mac all the time. Most of the time, I can do my computing just fine with a 2.0 smile.gif
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Netbook, for one thing, is faster than the iPad. It offers the full internet with Flash, has desktop-class application and multitasking with being cheaper than the iPad.

Its definitely lazy. All the features of an iPod Touch just dumped into a larger screen. They didn't even bother to polish up the apps to desktop-like qualities (the iPad afterall is supposed to be an inbetweener) like Flash, eInk, HDMI ports, camera, etc.

And the success of the iPad can only be measured two months from now, so till then I'll stay on this side of the fence. If I'm wrong I'll gladly switch places.

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Another reason you shouldn't go for iPad

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/ipad-ui...and-ipod-touch/

IMHO, the netbook is having an upgrade weeks by weeks, month by month. The processor is getting better, the graphic is getting better.


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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 30 2010, 09:52 PM)
Another reason you shouldn't go for iPad

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/ipad-ui...and-ipod-touch/

IMHO, the netbook is having an upgrade weeks by weeks, month by month. The processor is getting better, the graphic is getting better.
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taken from ipad page itself. please take note of 'revolutionary' feature in bold

TV and video

* Support for 1024 by 768 pixels with Dock Connector to VGA Adapter; 576p and 480p with Apple Component AV Cable; 576i and 480i with Apple Composite Cable
* H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

err only 640x480 videos? the 4:3 ratio for movie viewing is bad enough as it is and now u'll watch it at even lower resolution. this is 'magical' for sure.

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i really cannot follow this thread anymore hahah

so what's the general conclusion here?
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 30 2010, 09:56 AM)
Wi-Fi is launched internationally on the same date, "60 days from now". US gets 3G models "90 days from now" but international 3G models depends on the negotiation of local telco which is expected around June to July.
I really think Apple have got it wrong with the iPad. They were thinking of a scaled up iPhone but what people wanted was a scaled down Mac. It would made more sense as netbooks run scaled down desktop OS.
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They DON'T do 'scale-down' Mac. They DON'T cater for the low budget group. as simple as that. Steve mentioned it some time back.
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They DON'T do 'scale-down' Mac. They DON'T cater for the low budget group. as simple as that. Steve mentioned it some time back.
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True enough... Apple is trying to cater the "missing group"...
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True enough... Apple is trying to cater the "missing group"...
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i am wondering if they plan to release a black edition, probably similar to iphone, black & white.
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Wow, seriously. Only Apple fan/users understand what Steve says.
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They DON'T do 'scale-down' Mac. They DON'T cater for the low budget group. as simple as that. Steve mentioned it some time back.
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Then don't scale it down! This unhealthy Apple obsession of slapping things into thin enclosures is driving away the potential of having a true tablet without any deficiencies. Look at Wei's own iTab project, he did that on his own time, budget, and still produce good result for a one-man job. Modbook's own existence shows there is a demand for tablet-based hardware. Not all this trimmed down third-pillar silliness that Frankensteins the iPod Touch!

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 30 2010, 11:38 PM)
They DON'T do 'scale-down' Mac. They DON'T cater for the low budget group. as simple as that. Steve mentioned it some time back.
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But they are catering for the low budget group which is iPad. If Apple can scale up iPhone, the opposite would be true.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 30 2010, 07:54 PM)
I've decided, iPad should be same as Kindle category; eBook Reader. 

It's like the iPod, which can use for web browsing, download app and gaming though it's part of Music Player category.
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That's why I've decided iPad is eBook Reader like the kindle but offer more then kindle.

Same as iPad offer more then other mp4 player.

Lol, I'm not an eBook reader, so I shouldn't get one :\

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But they are catering for the low budget group which is iPad. If Apple can scale up iPhone, the opposite would be true.
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nope. the price range is well above 'low budget' , which is a good thing. I think the new iPhone will come out around July this year, another new toy to play with rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 30 2010, 11:47 PM)
i am wondering if they plan to release a black edition, probably similar to iphone, black & white.
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I really hope so...

I am sure new iPad apps will appear especially for book reading to fully utilize the big display.
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Another reason you shouldn't go for iPad

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/ipad-ui...and-ipod-touch/

IMHO, the netbook is having an upgrade weeks by weeks, month by month. The processor is getting better, the graphic is getting better.
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it's been years, Intel Atom still sucks
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I hope that iPad will get jailbroken so that i can read my PDF files there. e-books industry is so fragmented nowadays.
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define sucks?

if you want performance then clearly out of question since atom's primary design goal is to increase performance per watt ratio.

and latest atom isn't that bad. at least for mobile processor that touts the lowest energy consumption.

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Atom therefore represents a partial revival of the principles used in earlier Intel designs such as Intel P5 and the i486, with the sole purpose of enhancing the performance per watt ratio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom

dont expect atom to run gta4 full reso. no one would play that game on a miniscule netbook lcd screen anyway.

i dont have any justification to own an ipad now or ever. i love iphone but i hate ipad.

want better option? get an IdeaPad U8.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 30 2010, 07:54 PM)
I've decided, iPad should be same as Kindle category; eBook Reader. 

It's like the iPod, which can use for web browsing, download app and gaming though it's part of Music Player category.
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Truthfully, iPad would be more suitable to be classified as a Tablet Media Player because of the fact that it does everything but none of it are perfect. Web browsing is limited because lack of Flash support, Video only supports up to 640x480 and with 4:3 ratio, a lot of videos have to be crop or panned, the screen and battery life limits the reading capability.
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P88.

http://shanghaiist.com/2010/01/29/p88-chin...-sues-apple.php

See how thick it is if we want those ports thing.. It's a beast but it ain't a beauty anymore.

Couldn't imagine if Apple release a toaster design like this.. I rather have a "pad" design.

Maybe some guys will calm down a little bit now after have a look at P88 design to 'fulfill' customers need.


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I dont have to see that link, I already own such a thing, in the form of the Viliv X70.

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The good thing is, I think I made the right choice. Which would you rather have, a slim svelte device that does things half-baked, or a half-laptop thickness tablet that does things proper? I don't want to say this, but why is Apple treating its target audience for the iPad as dumb hicks who knows nothing about a simple program-install on a normal laptop OS, so much that they are handholding you with the stripped down and simplified iPhone OS?

Like I said before, slimness has its price. Apple's assuming everyone's willing to trade form factor over function.

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actual price get it alraedy ??
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Apple updates iPad Ads to remove Flash content.

Guilty much, Apple? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 30 2010, 07:54 PM)
I've decided, iPad should be same as Kindle category; eBook Reader. 

It's like the iPod, which can use for web browsing, download app and gaming though it's part of Music Player category.
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while it does have pros over kindle, as an ebook, kindle is clearly better because of the e-ink, way lighter and battery life


QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 30 2010, 11:38 PM)
They DON'T do 'scale-down' Mac. They DON'T cater for the low budget group. as simple as that. Steve mentioned it some time back.
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yea i do agree with you. 500USD min for a piece of thing that doesnt serve much purpose to most ppl is indeed high-budget lol

QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 30 2010, 11:40 PM)
True enough... Apple is trying to cater the "missing group"...
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this group prolly was lost in the blackhole

QUOTE(cRazYee @ Jan 31 2010, 12:11 AM)
it's been years, Intel Atom still sucks
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well at least it is powerful enough for me to multitask, watch movies above 640x480 etc. you are prolly gonna flame AMD athlon neo next

QUOTE(kokokranc @ Jan 31 2010, 12:53 AM)
want better option? get an IdeaPad U8.
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u mean the U1 Hybrid? i couldnt find anything on U8

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 01:51 AM)
Like I said before, slimness has its price. Apple's assuming everyone's willing to trade form factor over function.
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by everyone, it only applies to the diehard-apple fans haha. most ppl with some consciousness in them wouldnt

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QUOTE(kokokranc @ Jan 31 2010, 12:53 AM)
define sucks?

if you want performance then clearly out of question since atom's primary design goal is to increase performance per watt ratio.

and latest atom isn't that bad. at least for mobile processor that touts the lowest energy consumption.

to quote;
Atom therefore represents a partial revival of the principles used in earlier Intel designs such as Intel P5 and the i486, with the sole purpose of enhancing the performance per watt ratio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom

dont expect atom to run gta4 full reso. no one would play that game on a miniscule netbook lcd screen anyway.

i dont have any justification to own an ipad now or ever. i love iphone but i hate ipad.

want better option? get an IdeaPad U8.
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well compare to ARM Cortax A9
atom sucks

see this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4W6lVQl3QA...player_embedded


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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 31 2010, 09:07 AM)
while it does have pros over kindle, as an ebook, kindle is clearly better because of the e-ink, way lighter and battery life
yea i do agree with you. 500USD min for a piece of thing that doesnt serve much purpose to most ppl is indeed high-budget lol
this group prolly was lost in the blackhole
well at least it is powerful enough for me to multitask, watch movies above 640x480 etc. you are prolly gonna flame AMD athlon neo next
u mean the U1 Hybrid? i couldnt find anything on U8
by everyone, it only applies to the diehard-apple fans haha. most ppl with some consciousness in them wouldnt
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still early judge it's fail or not
but i see great potential in future

the A4 chip is based on ARM Cortex A9, it's powerful for sure
up to date, iphone OS can runs OpenGL
so, it's just problem of time for iphone OS development


Added on January 31, 2010, 10:53 am
QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 02:36 AM)
well, story behind flash is quite messy one
i think apple wont implement flash in iphone os in this short time.


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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 01:51 AM)
I dont have to see that link, I already own such a thing, in the form of the Viliv X70.

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The good thing is, I think I made the right choice. Which would you rather have, a slim svelte device that does things half-baked, or a half-laptop thickness tablet that does things proper? I don't want to say this, but why is Apple treating its target audience for the iPad as dumb hicks who knows nothing about a simple program-install on a normal laptop OS, so much that they are handholding you with the stripped down and simplified iPhone OS?

Like I said before, slimness has its price. Apple's assuming everyone's willing to trade form factor over function.
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because not everyone knows how to use windows or OSX. someone said it might be the Wii of computers. probably wont entice geeks like us, but may bring old people to the internet ;p
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 31 2010, 12:06 PM)
because not everyone knows how to use windows or OSX. someone said it might be the Wii of computers. probably wont entice geeks like us, but may bring old people to the internet ;p
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ipad just oversize ipod.. only apple fan boys will buy it, even iSHIT come out they will buy it biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 31 2010, 12:58 AM)
Truthfully, iPad would be more suitable to be classified as a Tablet Media Player because of the fact that it does everything but none of it are perfect. Web browsing is limited because lack of Flash support, Video only supports up to 640x480 and with 4:3 ratio, a lot of videos have to be crop or panned, the screen and battery life limits the reading capability.
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Video support up to 720p

http://www.apple.com/asia/ipad/specs/
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QUOTE(nawzi @ Jan 31 2010, 12:46 PM)
Video support up to 720p

http://www.apple.com/asia/ipad/specs/
H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
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My mistake but isn't MP4 is the default container for Apple PMPs? Looks like you need to convert all your iPhone MP4 files.

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its basically a portable itunes store.....

meh, i prefer getting stuff like movies music and software for free tongue.gif
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well, there is one rule by apple
as long as you stick you ass with them, with paying money
you will get very easy acess

buying those movie from itunes, you can transfer straight (if i'm not mistaken, had one experience)
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Look carrefully at iPad home button, it is same with iPod touch,
I mean it's smaller compare to iPhone which is bigger and better to press.
Hopefully iPad doesn't have yellowish screen like iPhone.
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whatever argument we have here
thing gonna change after new OS loaded
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ipad just oversize ipod.. only apple fan boys will buy it, even iSHIT come out they will buy it biggrin.gif
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Guys, I just wanna share this with you. Before the launch of the iPad, I read 2 articles that thoroughly explain why Apple is going to adopt (which they did) iPhone OS, instead of Mac OSX.

Computers Should Be More Like Toasters

The Apple Tablet Interface Must Be Like This

and from the iPad video at, Jonathan Ive, Apple design guru, said

"In many ways this defines our vision, our sense of what's next."

They really think that this is the way forward. Let's see the adoption rate for the first year shall we.
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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Jan 31 2010, 12:10 PM)
ipad just oversize ipod.. only apple fan boys will buy it, even iSHIT come out they will buy it biggrin.gif
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8 reasons you won't choose iPad:

Big, Ugly Bezel
Have you seen the bezel on this thing?! It's huge! I know you don't want to accidentally input a command when your thumb is holding it, but come on.

No Multitasking
This is a backbreaker. If this is supposed to be a replacement for netbooks, how can it possibly not have multitasking? Are you saying I can't listen to Pandora while writing a document? I can't have my Twitter app open at the same time as my browser? I can't have AIM open at the same time as my email? Are you kidding me? This alone guarantees that I will not buy this product.

No Cameras
No front facing camera is one thing. But no back facing camera either? Why the hell not? I can't imagine what the downside was for including at least one camera. Could this thing not handle video iChat?

Touch Keyboard
So much for Apple revolutionizing tablet inputs; this is the same big, ugly touchscreen keyboard we've seen on other tablets, and unless you're lying on the couch with your knees propping it up, it'll be awkward to use.

No HDMI Out
Want to watch those nice HD videos you downloaded from iTunes on your TV? Too damned bad! If you were truly loyal, you'd just buy an AppleTV already.

The Name iPad
Get ready for Maxi pad jokes, and lots of 'em!

No Flash
No Flash is annoying but not a dealbreaker on the iPhone and iPod Touch. On something that's supposed to be closer to a netbook or laptop? It will leave huge, gaping holes in websites. I hope you don't care about streaming video! God knows not many casual internet users do. Oh wait, nevermind, they all do.

Adapters, Adapters, Adapters
So much for those smooth lines. If you want to plug anything into this, such as a digital camera, you need all sorts of ugly adapters. You need an adapter for USB for god's sake.

Update: Why stop at 8? Here are more things we are discovering that suck about the iPad.

It's Not Widescreen
Widescreen movies look lousy on this thing thanks to its 4:3 screen, according to Blam, who checked out some of Star Trek on one. It's like owning a 4:3 TV all over again!

Doesn't Support T-Mobile 3G
Sure, it's "unlocked." But it won't work on T-Mobile, and it uses microSIMs that literally no one else uses.

A Closed App Ecosystem
The iPad only runs apps from the App Store. The same App Store that is notorious for banning apps for no real reason, such as Google Voice. Sure, netbooks might not have touchscreens, but you can install whatever software you'd like on them. Want to run a different browser on your iPad? Too bad!
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nice copy and paste,bravo
http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad

is it just me or is there a sudden surge of apple bashers in this thread? that normally arent as active on any of our threads here,hmm.

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Can't help with it, this new iPad is indeed very disappointing, simply lousy.
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Just wondering - Have you ever own any Apple products?
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yes i do. i own iphone 2g for 6 month then i sell it same price i bought it. i admit it the software (os) really good. but not all the time the can replicate the best for each product. im not applehatter but ipad just overprice piece of crap even islate(the one that ppl said apple tablet look like) look way better. if that one came out and have front camera for video call i might buy it.

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come on guys ..its just a product. dont make our life so pathetic simply because of this paddy thingy hiih. Mac still rules whaaaat.. this paddy still in beta version hehehe.
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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Jan 31 2010, 05:49 PM)
yes i do. i own iphone 2g for 6 month then i sell it same price i bought it. i admit it the software (os) really good. but not all the time the can replicate the best for each product. im not applehatter but ipad just overprice piece of crap even islate(the one that ppl said apple tablet look like) look way better. if that one came out and have front camera for video call i might buy it.
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mockups always look better laa smile.gif

i remember got one mockup got dvd drive haha. half the tablet is for the dvd drive already... very not logic ;p
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it's ok , Malaysian... it's still cool if you carry tat BIG ipod touch all around in KL (for you guys) , besides that... i just cant wait to crop my friend's picture change it to black and white and put in front of my chest =P
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Can't believe the negavity of people here, we have people who would spend thousands on a device that only plays games, or on device that only plays videos / music, or even one that only plays slideshows of photos, or just to surf the web, but here we have something that does all of them, though not to perfection, and it's getting all sorts of bad comments. Anyone thinks positive anymore?
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QUOTE(civic98 @ Jan 31 2010, 07:05 PM)
Can't believe the negavity of people here, we have people who would spend thousands on a device that only plays games, or on device that only plays videos / music, or even one that only plays slideshows of photos, or just to surf the web, but here we have something that does all of them, though not to perfection, and it's getting all sorts of bad comments. Anyone thinks positive anymore?
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QUOTE(civic98 @ Jan 31 2010, 07:05 PM)
Can't believe the negavity of people here, we have people who would spend thousands on a device that only plays games, or on device that only plays videos / music, or even one that only plays slideshows of photos, or just to surf the web, but here we have something that does all of them, though not to perfection, and it's getting all sorts of bad comments. Anyone thinks positive anymore?
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You answered your own question. Why should I get something that does things half-baked? A laptop does portable computing perfectly, a digital photo frame does it job as good as it should. Apple's own iPod Rouch does its duties perfectly as well, and so on and so forth. What are the motivations of these people who already have these devices to dump them off in favour of the iPad, when you yourself say they have to give concessions on their experiences because they don't do it adequately? Why should I pare down my experience when what I can do now, does it for me and perfectly as well?

The reason why convergence devices are exciting and enticing to get is because it replaces 2 or more devices that you carry with you and does it with only one device, and most importantly, does it satisfactorily. You expect people to ditch their netbooks that does the mobile surfing device more superior than on the iPad? A digital photo frame? Pleeease! Who in the right mind buys the iPad for that! Playing music? Apple's own iPod Touch does it admirably already, why should those already owning an iPod Touch feel they should "upgrade" to the iPad? The same question that has been asked about this device comes to mind: why should I dump my current devices for this, when it couldn't even do these things properly? Missing Flash? Toned down computing experience? What?

To others, the same principles applies: what are you getting this for? Is it replacing any of your currently owned devices and if it does, does the iPad do it on par or better? If you're buying this to do something that you've never done before and wanted to try, like eBook reading, is RM1800(and upwards) justifyable enough to purchase it? I've answered these questions and the answer is that none of the iPad features adequately replace the devices that does the very same functions it does. And if it doesn't, what any other reason is there left to get than a "want" than a "need"? Getting it because of its form factor, IMO, is a want, not a need.

To come back to your own statement, Im not being negative, Im being objective about my needs. Not my wants. Svelte looks aside, nothing that the iPad can do, I can't do now already, and at a more than satisfactory level.


Added on January 31, 2010, 7:32 pmAlso don't lump me into the group of people that you would assume being negative for no reason. I saw Apple's vision with the Apple TV, and I jumped headfirst onto purchasing the Macbook Air. Mostly because of needs than of wants. But the iPad is crossing that line where Apple is falsely creating a "need" when it is in fact, just a "want".

I don't deny it, I "want" the iPad. But pushing the blind "wants" and thinking objectively for my needs, with a clear head, I don't need one. I may buy one, but rest assured, it is not because I NEED it, it's because I WANT it. Those are two different things there.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 07:27 PM)
You answered your own question. Why should I get something that does things half-baked? A laptop does portable computing perfectly, a digital photo frame does it job as good as it should. Apple's own iPod Rouch does its duties perfectly as well, and so on and so forth. What are the motivations of these people who already have these devices to dump them off in favour of the iPad, when you yourself say they have to give concessions on their experiences because they don't do it adequately? Why should I pare down my experience when what I can do now, does it for me and perfectly as well?

The reason why convergence devices are exciting and enticing to get is because it replaces 2 or more devices that you carry with you and does it with only one device, and most importantly, does it satisfactorily. You expect people to ditch their netbooks that does the mobile surfing device more superior than on the iPad? A digital photo frame? Pleeease! Who in the right mind buys the iPad for that! Playing music? Apple's own iPod Touch does it admirably already, why should those already owning an iPod Touch feel they should "upgrade" to the iPad? The same question that has been asked about this device comes to mind: why should I dump my current devices for this, when it couldn't even do these things properly? Missing Flash? Toned down computing experience? What?

To others, the same principles applies: what are you getting this for? Is it replacing any of your currently owned devices and if it does, does the iPad do it on par or better? If you're buying this to do something that you've never done before and wanted to try, like eBook reading, is RM1800(and upwards) justifyable enough to purchase it? I've answered these questions and the answer is that none of the iPad features adequately replace the devices that does the very same functions it does. And if it doesn't, what any other reason is there left to get than a "want" than a "need"? Getting it because of its form factor, IMO, is a want, not a need.

To come back to your own statement, Im not being negative, Im being objective about my needs. Not my wants. Svelte looks aside, nothing that the iPad can do, I can't do now already, and at a more than satisfactory level.


Added on January 31, 2010, 7:32 pmAlso don't lump me into the group of people that you would assume being negative for no reason. I saw Apple's vision with the Apple TV, and I jumped headfirst onto purchasing the Macbook Air. Mostly because of needs than of wants. But the iPad is crossing that line where Apple is falsely creating a "need" when it is in fact, just a "want".

I don't deny it, I "want" the iPad. But pushing the blind "wants" and thinking objectively for my needs, with a clear head, I don't need one. I may buy one, but rest assured, it is not because I NEED it, it's because I WANT it. Those are two different things there.
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Bro string, i do believe the product was not introduced for YOU. You can keep on going about what you have and what you need or what you want, and that's just you. Why should any company introduce a product that replaces it's own products already in the market?

No one is pointing a gun at anyone to buy this, no one is forcing anyone to need this, no one is asking anyone to want this. So what the heck? It's just another product.
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As for your comment of people spending thousands of RM on devices that just play games(consoles) or devices that just display videos or music(HDTVs & AVRs) it is because:-

1. They are the only devices that do these functions. Is there any other devices that plays God Of War 3 or Wii Sports?

2. They EXCEL bar none, at the functions they are intended to do.

Now, why should I get something thar does things half-heartedly, when I get the real deal that does it PROPERLY?


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Bro string, i do believe the product was not introduced for YOU. You can keep on going about what you have and what you need or what you want, and that's just you. Why should any company introduce a product that replaces it's own products already in the market?

No one is pointing a gun at anyone to buy this, no one is forcing anyone to need this, no one is asking anyone to want this. So what the heck? It's just another product.
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If what you say is what it is, then isn't it something that you want rather than you need? If that is the case, then it all depends whether the potential customer has disposible income or not to get it. You don't need it, you get it because you like it and you want what you like.

If I need something, the yes, it's like someone is pointing a gun to my head to get it. Otherwise things will be left undone, financials jeopardized, and lives threatened. tongue.gif Feels that way with a phone, hence why I get an iPhone. The same with portable computer therefore the MBA. The ATV is a want, so does the Touch. Now where does the iPad lies?

Yup as you say this is my wants and needs, and they are exclusive to me alone. Others may have a different outlook on theirs. But just bear this in mind, is there anything the iPad can do that you cannot currently do now, or do using other alternative products? If the answer is NO, and you're still getting it, isn't that a "want"?

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is there a NEED to complain about iPad? no..but u WANT to

stringfellow we get your point here. u hate the ipad. nothing wrong about that

however, a notebook doesnt do mobile computing perfectly cuz it's still too big n heavy for some situations. but it's good cuz we can do a lot with it. ipod touch doesnt do it's job perfectly as well, i have to quit an app juz to go into another. but it's doing a good job of being 'mobile' since i can bring it everywhere i go.

while i agree with u that i dont need the ipad, since i have a notebook and an ipod, i do understand if some people want this. 2k isnt much for some people. if i were rich, i'd buy an iPad juz so i can surf the web on a decent-sized screen on my couch...no need to lug my notebook around and no need to zoom into everything like on my ipod.

in a classroom environment, bringing a notebook can be a hassle bcuz i need to carry files, books, etc. if 2k is nothing to me, i'd buy an ipad juz so i dont have to print my lecture notes. netbook isnt an answer for me cuz even though it's small, it's still thick.

there's nothing wrong for WANTING something u dont need. i dont need to eat at mcdonalds. i dont need to buy expensive jeans that does the same thing a rm15 pants at kamdar does. i just want mcd n levis because i can afford them. n if i could afford the ipad, even i dont need it, i'd buy it anyway
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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Jan 31 2010, 05:49 PM)
yes i do. i own iphone 2g for 6 month then i sell it same price i bought it. i admit it the software (os) really good. but not all the time the can replicate the best for each product. im not applehatter but ipad just overprice piece of crap even islate(the one that ppl said apple tablet look like) look way better. if that one came out and have front camera for video call i might buy it.
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You only have experience using 2G iphone for 6 months? Which devices are you carrying now? Win CE or Nokia?
I presumed that your statement above meant that you have no other experience owning a Macbook or iPod Touch or even a 3GS.
How many times and how many people actually make video calls?

I owned an iPod Touch, iPhone 3GS and Macbook Pro.
An iPad with a Mac OS (or a stripped down version) will not fit the size and price of the new iPads. Furthermore, it will raise further and higher expectations on the hardware specs. A strip down version specs will not satisfy the hunger of Mac users.

Thus, I don't mind the iPhone OS 3.2 version of iPad. Fast to boot and launch applications.

I have a 3GS so, I can make calls easily.
I have a Macbook Pro, so I can easily make video calls (which I rarely do).
All the powerful apps, I can run using my MBP.
Do I carry all devices? The answer is Yes... and I don't mind carrying the iPad to replace my paper Notebook/Diary in my bag which also carries my MBP.
So..where iPad fits me? Its good for reading, browsing, replying emails, taking notes - "replacing" my Notebook/Diary which I carry around, "replacing" the tons paper books .. be more subtle (not obvious) browsing Internet or replying emails in meeting rooms.

The problem is most people think iPad can replace their MB or iPod Touch or iPhone. Its not meant to be design that way.

Maybe some people already have their needs/wants with their current devices. Fair enough - this iPad might not be suitable for that kind of person.

Otherwise, I can see a lot of people whining because they are either Windows users or they don't have enough money to buy one.
What if they make it less than RM 1000, would you buy?

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Hence my point. You think that after all supposed vocal dislikes(hate is too extreme) of the iPad, you think Im not getting one? The iPad is a PERFECT candidate for my wireless VOD system I have built at home, I can simply broadcast the pool of movies, songs and photos PROPERLY now with this. But i wanted it, I don't need it because my delivery system is via the ATV to a big screen TV. I could use it for my pangsai-time in the toilet to watch short movies but is that even necessary?tongue.gif

Nope, didn't say that it is wrong to want something. But drawing from my own experience of buying gadgets, most of the gadgets that I wanted now either lay dusty on the shelf or packed away. What good does it do if it ended ip like that?

Then there's the duplicating/overlapping of devices. We all carry phones with us, it's that common. And seeing this is an Apple forum, a lot of us carry either iPhones or iPod Touches. For another device to be carried around portably, wouldn't it better if it does things that the current devices we carry around with us cannot do, and do it routinely? Or if it meant to replace those devices, wouldn't it be more prudent to have it do equally or better than the other device before it? Otherwise you'd be doubling or tripling up on devices that can do just one same function. I am guilty of that at one time, and only had it being pointed out to me the redundancies of my way by a good friend who was scratching his head asking why I carry three devices that can do one simple function : surfing. Needless to say, I was embarrassing myself than impressing anyone. tongue.gif

If I didn't really care, I would have just shut up and watch this circus go on. My beef with the introduction of the iPad is how unnecessary this device is to the already available lineup Apple have.
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Sorry , can i ask how IPAD / IPOD TOUCH typing chinese or japanese in internet browser ? does it have own system or ????
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well said Edoras, well said

if someone already has similar device, e.g. viliv, then they probably wont need ipad anymore...so what? it's not like everyone has a viliv

i dont videocall as well...but i know some ppl who do. and look silly doing it hehehe. better dont do it in public i guess

so can we stop complaining too much about ipad? i admit that i did, but im more like "oh well, dun wan to buy lah" rather than "SCREW YOU APPLE!"

dont pretend like u pre-order, paid for it, and have to accept a 'crappy' iPad. u didnt, n life goes on. juz dont buy, easy. i dun like the iphone 3gs, so i just dont buy lah..no need to complain about it everyday right?
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this pad really make chaos in mac community worldwide phew.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 08:38 PM)
If I didn't really care, I would have just shut up and watch this circus go on. My beef with the introduction of the iPad is how unnecessary this device is to the already available lineup Apple have.
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even if the ipad is a total failure, it wont affect u right? u got stock in apple is it?

yes, on the looks of it, it's an unnecessary device or us who already own a macbook n iphone or ipod touch. but not everyone does. maybe someone who insists on a desktop would appreciate this. maybe someone who's a blackberry fanatic, but wants to join in the App Store craze, but feels like ipod touch screen is way to small for surfing.
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Hey guys...this thread should be some discussion on iPad features. It seems the more i read the more out of the product line...

Well, im not going to join the discussion about "good"/ "bad" about iPad. If Apple realize 1st Gen doesn't do good they will implement 2nd Gen n so on~

No harm of waiting after the official release in M'sia and get your hands on it before making conclusion that this "iPad" is it worth of getting.

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even if the ipad is a total failure, it wont affect u right? u got stock in apple is it?

yes, on the looks of it, it's an unnecessary device or us who already own a macbook n iphone or ipod touch. but not everyone does. maybe someone who insists on a desktop would appreciate this. maybe someone who's a blackberry fanatic, but wants to join in the App Store craze, but feels like ipod touch screen is way to small for surfing.
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To answer you as how rudely you've put that question out, why yes! I do have AAPL stock. It went downhill since last announcement, good time to buy them too. Don't simply assume what you don't know, "buddy". Stick at you're partially good at. Your incessant plug for your blog perhaps? rolleyes.gif

To the rest, put it this way. Most people get things because of two reasons: either it does something better than its predessor, or it does something totally new and you wanna try it. I'd totally accept if you are getting the iPad because you're moving up from the iPod Touch. Not because you're replacing a netbook because the cons outweigh the pros. I'd totally agree if you're getting it because of its document-reading aspect, because the size is now finally comfortable enough to read compared to the iPod Touch. Which also makes that a moving up from an inferior product reasoning appropriate.

Nobody answered me when I asked that question: what does the iPad does that is either better than other previous devices, or totally new and doable exclusively on the iPad to warrant getting one?

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haven't seen so many bashing when apple launch a new product for so long. apple tv kinda disappointment but it was US only so not really affect the world.

more than a year long rumor build up, fantastic mockup, etc etc then after the release it so far from it was rumored and imagine making it a big disappointment even the fanboys has a hard time defending it.


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QUOTE(rushmode @ Jan 31 2010, 09:14 PM)
haven't seen so many bashing when apple launch a new product for so long. apple tv kinda disappointment but it was US only so not really affect the world.

more than a year long rumor build up, fantastic mockup, etc etc then after the release it so far from it was rumored and imagine making it a big disappointment even the fanboys has a hard time defending it.
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You weren't there during the Macbook Air debacle? I was the lone soldier around here, and I believe I still is when it comes to my preference to the Air compared to the normal Macbook/Pros.

Like I said, if I don't care, I won't be bothered complaining. All the more reason to b**** when your own money is involved.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 09:12 PM)
To answer you as how rudely you've put that question out, why yes! I do have AAPL stock. It went downhill since last announcement, good time to buy them too. Don't simply assume what you don't know, "buddy". Stick at you're partially good at. Your incessant plug for your blog perhaps? rolleyes.gif

To the rest, put it this way. Most people get things because of two reasons: either it does something better than its predessor, or it does something totally new and you wanna try it. I'd totally accept if you are getting the iPad because you're moving up from the iPod Touch. Not because you're replacing a netbook because the cons outweigh the pros. I'd totally agree if you're getting it because of its document-reading aspect, because the size is now finally comfortable enough to read compared to the iPod Touch. Which also makes that a moving up from an inferior product reasoning appropriate.

Nobody answered me when I asked that question: what does the iPad does that is either better than other previous devices, or totally new and doable exclusively on the iPad to warrant getting one?
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so that explains all the rant then. probably instead of dissing iPad u shud give people a reason to buy it. that might help your stock

here's what it does better than previous devices. as u said, it's better than an ipod touch in terms of performance n usage. it's also better than a notebook in terms of portability. does that answer your question?

or if u want to look from a negative point of view, it's worse than an ipod touch because it doesnt fit in a pocket, and it's also worse than a macbook in terms of performance. two perspectives, ur pick. if this is yours, dont buy.

something new? bigger display for apps is new. multitouch iwork is new. even ebook is new for those who doesnt own an ebook reader.

is it that u expected a 10" tablet, running touchscreen OSX, that's also faster than a macbook? so that it's moving up from both ipod touch and macbooks in every single aspect? nothing wrong about wishing about that, but i dont see how apple can achieve it. and certainly not for RM2000.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 09:18 PM)
You weren't there during the Macbook Air debacle? I was the lone soldier around here, and I believe I still is when it comes to my preference to the Air compared to the normal Macbook/Pros.

Like I said, if I don't care, I won't be bothered complaining. All the more reason to b**** when your own money is involved.
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i guess i miss it.. smile.gif though i got nothing on AIR because i dont really care about ultra portable.

hmm, i wish there's a place i cano moan about the xserve though tongue.gif
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Im not down with deception for personal gains. It may the acceptable trait here, but I'd rather rise above that. Stephen Covey and all.

No, I do not expect it to be better than the Macbook/Pro, that's preposterous. A device similar to the Modbook would make me more than happy already. Drop down the specs to CULV processor, and Im cool with that. It's Apple's obsession with thinness that may be the catalyst for picking the final spec as it is now. Instead of a true tablet, you have a semblance of a tablet but the innards of a smartphone. Instead of a stripped down compatible Mac OS X, you have an OS made for a smartphone forcefed into a larger iPod Touch.

If you kept track of the tablet and its expectations, it has been a long road and almost impossible to see happening. Hence the term "unicorn" that we always catch rumor of, but never catches or seen. But the expectation of what this tablet is never wavered, it is supposed to be of a low-speced laptop with an OS emulating touch inetrface without much loss in practicality, function and usability of applications of its big brother(laptop) and its OS.

If you were never familiar with this, there's never any expectations to begin with, hence no monumental letdown that every other tech journalist on their blogosphere has been reporting. In fact that ignorance would bless you with easy acceptance if any kind of specs Apple put in the tablet, as long as it in tablet form.

Imagine what could gave been than what had been happening now.

@rushmode

I hear ya. The Xserve lineup has been treated like a stepchild for too long that I feel that it is better to let it die a dignified death, and start from scratch.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 09:12 PM)
Nobody answered me when I asked that question: what does the iPad does that is either better than other previous devices, or totally new and doable exclusively on the iPad to warrant getting one?
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Bro string, it does better as a browser and video viewer compared to my iPod Touch now, because of the size. It is more portable than my Macbook, which makes it easier to bring around the house, be it in the room or on the couch or even outdoor where I do not need the full functions of my Macbook. It does function as a digital photo frame of which the iPod touch is too small. It's easier to bring around with my digital camera for me to upload my photos when the memory on the card runs low, especially on trips (with the adaptor of course).

AND to add to those, of which I foresee (may or may not be available now) it may as well function as a Point Of Sales (POS) device, or even a digital menu for restaurants.

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yes i've kept track. n i admit that i expected the performance of somewhat a mac netbook. and also, yes it was a letdown for me, because i was thinking of buying a netbook, but i wanted something thinner. was hoping that the ipad is the solution, but then it's clearly not, so yeah. modbook would be a good choice, but i simply cant afford it.

i also said before that i hope for a ULV macbook air, a plastic one, juz so it would cost under 2k. i'd get one.

i dun see how complaining about the ipad rises u above anything. yes it's a letdown. yes we're disappointed. so let's just wait for further improvements. we're not in trouble

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Bro string, it does better as a browser and video viewer compared to my iPod Touch now, because of the size. It is more portable than my Macbook, which makes it easier to bring around the house, be it in the room or on the couch or even outdoor where I do not need the full functions of my Macbook. It does function as a digital photo frame of which the iPod touch is too small. It's easier to bring around with my digital camera for me to upload my photos when the memory on the card runs low, especially on trips (with the adaptor of course).

AND to add to those, of which I foresee (may or may not be available now) it may as well function as a Point Of Sales (POS) device, or even a digital menu for restaurants.
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In essence, a lifestyle/entertainment device. More power to you I guess, seems you've found your missing link between your Touch and Macbook.

But there is a sizable number of people who are not sure as for what the iPad meant to them, or already have devices that does those things good enough for them not to consider the iPad as a suitable replacement for them. Would you agree if I say that they are the majority and geeks like me and you're a minority in this matter? Selling a product to a niche market is not for the bottom line.

It's good that you immediately see the need for this, but there are bigger number of people who don't see it fitting into their current daily routine.
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Again, I don't think iPad is to replace the iPhone/iPod Touch or the Macbook.
I always dreamt for a gadget like an iPhone but with much bigger screen. Unfortunately, this iPad's screen is not the foldable-type display which can be folded to the size of an iPhone when not in use...
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QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 31 2010, 10:21 PM)
Again, I don't think iPad is to replace the iPhone/iPod Touch or the Macbook.
I always dreamt for a gadget like an iPhone but with much bigger screen. Unfortunately, this iPad's screen is not the foldable-type display which can be folded to the size of an iPhone when not in use...
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hehe now that is very cool ;p we can dream hehe
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donno why the thread in AppleByte is always about ppl flaming each other :T
iPad is a good product. but how is it going to evolve, we can only know once it's out and also, its up to the developers who are busy pushing out the applications now.

kindle? yes, it's sleepy and yes, it's supposed to look that way because of how Amazon wans people to think that they are reading a book. it can't do anything more than ebooks. and who says the publishing industry is going to remain the same for years to come? i do foresee a change in trend - as in something which can enhance the readers' reading experience.

jz my 2 sen.

and seriously guys, there's no need to finger point at one another just because of 1 single product. everyone has their own opinions 1 la. no right or wrong. if like, go get the ipad lo. if don like, then don get lo. simple.
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lol you guys are funny ,what is the point keep arguing since you're not interested in iPad? oh sorry..my bad...tats what people like to do. The matter is not what you want it to do for you but what you want to do with it =) . It cant replace a normal macbook since it's not running Mac OS , it can't be compare with iPhone too due to the functions. Maybe... a bigger version of iPod touch? But isn't it a good thing since a lot Malaysians complain that iphone,ipod touch keys are too small to press while sms-ing or email(Whoever thinks American's fingers are smaller than Asians) =)
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jan 31 2010, 10:13 PM)
yes i've kept track. n i admit that i expected the performance of somewhat a mac netbook. and also, yes it was a letdown for me, because i was thinking of buying a netbook, but i wanted something thinner. was hoping that the ipad is the solution, but then it's clearly not, so yeah. modbook would be a good choice, but i simply cant afford it.

i also said before that i hope for a ULV macbook air, a plastic one, juz so it would cost under 2k. i'd get one.

i dun see how complaining about the ipad rises u above anything. yes it's a letdown. yes we're disappointed. so let's just wait for further improvements. we're not in trouble
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See? You have expectations too, it just so happens that your expectations are met and mine is not. Imagine if Apple does come out with my expected device, then our position would switch places. The question is, is Apple catering to the niche, or the majority, with this device? Is the clamoring for the tablet louder for the device of my expectation, or of yours?

All this can be solved by Apple by providing a tiered product lineup. For those like you who can accept pared-down solutionslike this in lieu of a lowered pricetag, Apple offer this device. But for those with 20+ years expectations of what a tablet SHOULD be, they should have introduced a PRO version with full OS X compliance with touch support. Unfortunately, by tradition, Apple always uses the lowest common denominator to try out the market before catering for the whole spectrum full blown, so the realization of the expected tablet device will only happen much much later when the market is comfortable with the iPad and demand for me. The thing is, those like have waited this long, and Apple wants us to wait longer?

As for the "rise above anything" comment, you need to read that again. I don't operate by deceiving people, I tell them as it is. Even if it means crapping on my bottom line. This is based on this quoted comment of yours:-

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so that explains all the rant then. probably instead of dissing iPad u shud give people a reason to buy it. that might help your stock
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QUOTE(daydreaming @ Jan 31 2010, 10:31 PM)
donno why the thread in AppleByte is always about ppl flaming each other :T
iPad is a good product. but how is it going to evolve, we can only know once it's out and also, its up to the developers who are busy pushing out the applications now.

kindle? yes, it's sleepy and yes, it's supposed to look that way because of how Amazon wans people to think that they are reading a book. it can't do anything more than ebooks. and who says the publishing industry is going to remain the same for years to come? i do foresee a change in trend - as in something which can enhance the readers' reading experience.

jz my 2 sen.

and seriously guys, there's no need to finger point at one another just because of 1 single product. everyone has their own opinions 1 la. no right or wrong. if like, go get the ipad lo. if don like, then don get lo. simple.
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First of all, this is not flaming. I would already hurled insults and namecalling if I were to flame. This is called disagreeing, and that happens often in an environment called a forum. If everyone had to agree with each other with no voice of dissent or disagreement, that is called communism. Google up China for that. Ooops, I forgot, the Chinese don't allow Google there. rolleyes.gif

Secondly, have you read on the Kindle? Have you read for extended period time on the Kindle compared to reading for extended period of time on screen with refresh rates like a normal LED/LCD?

Answer those questions, and see which screen, Kindle's screen or the LCD/LED screen would make you more eyestrained and sleepy. No point getting your eyes messed up just because you want a color screen. rolleyes.gif

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Again, I don't think iPad is to replace the iPhone/iPod Touch or the Macbook.
I always dreamt for a gadget like an iPhone but with much bigger screen. Unfortunately, this iPad's screen is not the foldable-type display which can be folded to the size of an iPhone when not in use...
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string, like I say, only Apple fan/user understand what Steve trying to bring with this "iPad".

Let say we end this meaningless discussion? Cause no matter how you/we trying to say, they will try to defend it. LOL

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Like all of its new product introduction, Apple introduces a lower-end version first and see how the market reacts. From there on, it will be able to develop a better product roadmap.
Just see how iPod evolves into iPod Shuffle, Nano, Video, Touch etc
Also see how iphone evolves into 3G and 3GS.
How MB evolves into MBP, MBA, etc

If people don't like the 1st Gen iPad, they can wait for the 2nd or 3rd Gens or forever waiting... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 31 2010, 10:51 PM)
string, like I say, only Apple fan/user understand what Steve trying to bring with this "iPad".

Let say we end this meaningless discussion? Cause no matter how you/we trying to say, they will try to defend it. LOL
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I like your ambiguity.

You're saying I'm not a fan/user, or are you implying that sarcastically?

Ending the discussion? What is a forum without discussion? Shoulder-patting/circle-jerking to one another?

@Edoras

Me not liking it does not mean I'm not buying it. Same with buying something and critiquing it so that they can make a better product. A wise quote I got a few days ago from a tweet :- "Progress is not created by contented people" .Contented people dont feel like complaining. In my case, I need to complain so that Apple stop resting on their laurels and produce the REAL tablet.

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See? You have expectations too, it just so happens that your expectations are met and mine is not. Imagine if Apple does come out with my expected device, then our position would switch places. The question is, is Apple catering to the niche, or the majority, with this device? Is the clamoring for the tablet louder for the device of my expectation, or of yours?

All this can be solved by Apple by providing a tiered product lineup. For those like you who can accept pared-down solutionslike this in lieu of a lowered pricetag, Apple offer this device. But for those with 20+ years expectations of what a tablet SHOULD be, they should have introduced a PRO version with full OS X compliance with touch support. Unfortunately, by tradition, Apple always uses the lowest common denominator to try out the market before catering for the whole spectrum full blown, so the realization of the expected tablet device will only happen much much later when the market is comfortable with the iPad and demand for me. The thing is, those like have waited this long, and Apple wants us to wait longer?

As for the "rise above anything" comment, you need to read that again. I don't operate by deceiving people, I tell them as it is. Even if it means crapping on my bottom line. This is based on this quoted comment of yours:-

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um no, my expectations are not met. i wanted an OSX tablet, cheap one. ipad wasnt it, so we're pretty much on the same boat here. it's just that i accept that my dream tablet wasnt realized, and i also think that if it did today, i cant afford one. even a 'traditional' MBA is already 5k, turn that into a touchscreen tablet n the price will be very high.

so, yes, we should wait longer. because this is still 1st gen. that's life, the best things are always 'in the future'. that 20+ years of expectations GROWS. if this was released 20years earlier everyone would be stoked. today our 'dream apple tablet' is much2 more powerful than what we expected a few years ago. so, lets say 'touchscreen OSX tablet' will be launched in 2015, by that time we already 'expect' it to have 1 TB storage or something. it goes on and on

i believe it would suffice to just inform people ipad doesnt have this and this and this. i dont need to figure out if the ipad is a niche or majority product. macbooks are a majority products for us, but for PC users they're niche.
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cause from the looks of it, yes you're not a fan of apple

if u wanna continue this discussion, well go ahead, I never force you to stop anyway. smile.gif
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cause from the looks of it, yes you're not a fan of apple

if u wanna continue this discussion, well go ahead, I never force you to stop anyway. smile.gif
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I also think what you guys wants (software features, hardware specs) just can't simply integrated into such device AND price level. Sadly, that's the reality of life. I am sure Apple have the full-fledged iPad features in their upcoming Gens. When the time comes ... when they managed to get the economies of scale, they might introduce that "dream" iPad...
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 31 2010, 10:56 PM)
cause from the looks of it, yes you're not a fan of apple

if u wanna continue this discussion, well go ahead, I never force you to stop anyway. smile.gif
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I am rolling on the floor laughing at this! laugh.gif What, I have to LIKE everything Apple does to make me a fan!? rolleyes.gif

Look into my post history. Not to brag or anything, but I believe I hold a larger stake in Apple's survivability and a larger pool of Apple products than your average Apple user here. My wireless VOD system I built for my home is based on Apple's products. I fought tooth and nails to get the iPhones out of NZ. I paid premiums for first dibs on Apple products, while others prefer the wait-n-see.

You see me "complaining", but I say "critique".

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 31 2010, 10:53 PM)
@Edoras

Me not liking it does not mean I'm not buying it. Same with buying something and critiquing it so that they can make a better product. A wise quote I got a few days ago from a tweet :- "Progress is not created by contented people" .Contented people dont feel like complaining. In my case, I need to complain so that Apple stop resting on their laurels and produce the REAL tablet.
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String - I knew you from MyPDACafe days. You have owned and used more gadgets than most of us here. Thus, I am sure your expectation for the iPad is far beyond than most of us. Yes, I do read your comments that you will still buy this gadget.

But I am not sure whether Apple really hears our critiques... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 31 2010, 11:15 PM)
String - I knew you from MyPDACafe days. You have owned and used more gadgets than most of us here. Thus, I am sure your expectation for the iPad is far beyond than most of us. Yes, I do read your comments that you will still buy this gadget.

But I am not sure whether Apple really hears our critiques...  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Only_Human @ Jan 31 2010, 08:39 PM)
Sorry , can i ask how IPAD / IPOD TOUCH typing chinese or japanese in internet browser ? does it have own system or ????
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errmm.... by reading back a few post...it makes my eyes tired where this iPad thread tend to get longer and longer debate on the pros and cons.

A few questions:
1) Besides playing games/watching movies/surfing am i able to install microsoft words in it?
2) Any 3rd party accessories such as casing n so on...would like to check on their design




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forum supposed to be a placed to discuss so no problem if we voiced out our opinions as long as its not insulting and degrading someone else.

i will never consider buying iPad because i don't see any use for it in my life. but maybe i will if they come with full fledged OSX. i do hope however the 2nd gen will be a better devices. i myself not an apple fan but working many years handling xserve making me somewhat attached to the brand.
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QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 31 2010, 08:28 PM)
You only have experience using 2G iphone for 6 months? Which devices are you carrying now? Win CE or Nokia?
I presumed that your statement above meant that you have no other experience owning a Macbook or iPod Touch or even a 3GS.
How many times and how many people actually make video calls?

I owned an iPod Touch, iPhone 3GS and Macbook Pro.
An iPad with a Mac OS (or a stripped down version) will not fit the size and price of the new iPads. Furthermore, it will raise further and higher expectations on the hardware specs. A strip down version specs will not satisfy the hunger of Mac users.

Thus, I don't mind the iPhone OS 3.2 version of iPad. Fast to boot and launch applications.

I have a 3GS so, I can make calls easily.
I have a Macbook Pro, so I can easily make video calls (which I rarely do).
All the powerful apps, I can run using my MBP.
Do I carry all devices? The answer is Yes... and I don't mind carrying the iPad to replace my paper Notebook/Diary in my bag which also carries my MBP.
So..where iPad fits me? Its good for reading, browsing, replying emails, taking notes - "replacing" my Notebook/Diary which I carry around, "replacing" the tons paper books .. be more subtle (not obvious) browsing Internet or replying emails in meeting rooms.

The problem is most people think iPad can replace their MB or iPod Touch or iPhone. Its not meant to be design that way.

Maybe some people already have their needs/wants with their current devices. Fair enough - this iPad might not be suitable for that kind of person.

Otherwise, I can see a lot of people whining because they are either Windows users or they don't have enough money to buy one.
What if they make it less than RM 1000, would you buy?
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i will buy iPAD if it has all i need/want and also meet my expectation on the design. but for now it just piece of crap.


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QUOTE(terencetoo @ Feb 1 2010, 12:13 AM)
errmm.... by reading back a few post...it makes my eyes tired where this iPad thread tend to get longer and longer debate on the pros and cons.

A few questions:
1) Besides playing games/watching movies/surfing am i able to install microsoft words in it?
2) Any 3rd party accessories such as casing n so on...would like to check on their design
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1) see if microsoft will release office for ipad version. unlikely la i think :S n apple still control what apps will be available
2) most probably apple had just sent out the product measurements to casing manufacturers. we'll see them start selling when the ipad does. no one want to buy now ma ;p
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iPad is just so bloody redundant. If you had an iPhone or iPod Touch, what would be the point of carrying an iPad when 90% of what its features is in your pocket already? Plus if you were using it and you wanted to make a phone call, you have to put down your iPad and fish out another device just to make a call.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 1 2010, 01:46 AM)
iPad is just so bloody redundant. If you had an iPhone or iPod Touch, what would be the point of carrying an iPad when 90% of what its features is in your pocket already? Plus if you were using it and you wanted to make a phone call, you have to put down your iPad and fish out another device just to make a call.
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i do wish i can browsing in larger screen

MID does coming out as a trend, get use to it, whatever you can put inside your pocket is definitely small

the form factor is perfect for iPad, all it need is just software software and software

just like camera, phone camera does quite decent job
but i never use and trust it, because lack of quality

you saying this because you not yet have those new device to adopt in your life, when time is right, you get one, you will feel the different, the needs of big screen

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LOL. it is indeed a very hot debate over here.

i was actually "invited" by an associate to witness this travesty amongst apple fanboys; how divided they have gotten over this iPad (the slim, lightweight et cetera gadget and yes the only element missing is wings)

my honest opinion? the way i look at this, is to give the iPad a little run for at least 3 firmware updates before laying down your final judgment.

allow adequate time and feedbacks for apple to tweak and finetune the iPad and if by then, it still cannot prove its (both) monetary and quality worth, it should qualify for cnet's worst gadget of the year.

not pointing fingers or accusing anyone in particular, but from my own personal observation, the public (especially malaysians) have this misconception that apple products are flawless and God-sent. oh come on... seriously?

if i could also share my own observation, the reactions to the iPad mimics the iPhone, when it was first launched.

the number of skeptics were skyrocketing and just looked at how the iPhone has evolved to this date.

people tend to forget that it was (actually) apple's first time venturing into the mobile phone industry and competing head to head with old timers like nokia.

i love listening/reading a good debate, but making speculations before actually seeing/fondling an actual product is seriously not justified.

on an unrelated note, i'm actually trying (very hard) not to be a blind fan boy to be honest. IMHO, a true fanboy, will always try out or evaluate its nearest competitors before making a final conclusion. example? running windows concurrently with my MBP 15", use a blackberry (and i'm hoping to get my hands on the nexus one, by the time it reaches the australian shores)

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iPAD is not meant for you if...

- You don't like reading eBooks or Word Docs or PDF on a bigger screen
- The small screen of the iPhone/iPod is sufficient enough for your heavy Internet browsing
- You are not a heavy user of email (replying and reading attachment). Only limited to reading email and short replies.
- Your MB/iPhone/iPod already satisfy your needs/wants

QUOTE(rexa13 @ Feb 1 2010, 12:23 AM)
i will buy iPAD if it has all i need/want and also meet my expectation on the design. but for now it just piece of crap.
We buy iPad not because of its "design" but its functionalities... iPad is not meant to replace your voice or video calls... Otherwise, its called a "Phone" and not a "Pad"...

QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 1 2010, 01:46 AM)
iPad is just so bloody redundant. If you had an iPhone or iPod Touch, what would be the point of carrying an iPad when 90% of what its features is in your pocket already? Plus if you were using it and you wanted to make a phone call, you have to put down your iPad and fish out another device just to make a call.

For some people, its redundant because like I said.... its not meant to replace a Phone. Just like a Macbook...its not meant to replace the iPhone.
For some people, they might say its 90% of iPad features is already in the pocket ... but it depends that 90% is for what usage and what kind of user experience that you might get? Squinting your eyes for heavy browsing and reading PDF files on the small screen?

QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Feb 1 2010, 04:01 AM)
allow adequate time and feedbacks for apple to tweak and finetune the iPad and if by then, it still cannot prove its (both) monetary and quality worth, it should qualify for cnet's worst gadget of the year.
Agreed... It might the best or worst gadget of the year... tongue.gif

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Look it is just plain simple actually smile.gif
I'm a 1G Ipod Touch User and a 3GS user, what I can say is

When I first started using my IPOD touch, I did complaint as my device (I'm one of the earliest user) has nothing at all, no stores to buy apps, no itunes stores... basically it is a ipod with HUGE screen... yeah....

But look now with OS3.0 my IPOD touch can actually really do alot of stuff... and it is like a mini computer to me now... it replace my netbook for most of the time...

After much consideration and as my IPOD getting old and bat won't last anymore, I made a switch to 3GS and I can tell you I love the OS...

IPAD yes!!! to replace my aging ipod Touch...

You may complaint it is just a HUGE ipod touch... yes I agree... as I used most of my IPOD touch at home sitting at the sofa surfing the net and stuff... I would love this sitting at my home...

Turning on is easy and super fast!!!, this OS is fast and simple to use I bet even my mother who is having a hard time using win vista can use this!!!... simple easy to use and FAST... also no Lag!!!

It will replace my netbook as well as people complain on USB port and such... c'mon netbook I only use the USB port to connect to my External Drive and CD ROM... I don't need this as Ipad can sync with itunes simple as that!!!.

I would not buy Ipad now as I know apple will enhance the product in time to come as predicted iPhone 1G has nothing much to shout at but 3GS WOW!!!...

Ichat webcam is a good idea where ipad lacks... I believe in future upgrade it will bundle with it same with IPOD nano...

SIMPLE to me where IPAD sit on my life

HP notebook (company ones) is for WORK WORK WORK
iPhone 3GS is for mobility and calls
IPAD will be at my living room or bed room hahaha...
Touch... hmm... will become my clock and sit on my Dock Speaker haha
since battery is weak liow...

Why IPAD... those who uses IPOD touch or iphone will know as they will appreciate bigger screen at home when surfing the net... 3GS and Touch is powerful but on web page it requires a lot of Zoom in and out in order to read a page with comfort... I believe IPAD can sell because of the people who has IPOD touch at home and IPHONE user will learn to appreciate this device...

FLASH support.. yes kinda miss the Flash to play games on Facebook smile.gif
hahaha what to do hopefully one day apple make friends with Macromedia smile.gif

Give and take...as each product has its advantage and limitation and most of the Touch and iPhone user has learn and accepted the good and bad smile.gif

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In my opinion, regardless whether you think it is a good device or not, best to wait until it appears in Malaysia at our very own Machines or Mac City stores. Then play with it abit, see whether you have a reason to buy it or not. I think it is still to early to pass judgment until we actually have feel it in person.

Finally, even if I think it is a great tool, I will still not buy it. I don't want be sheep and get slaughtered by apple's 1st gen product. Wait at least for the 2nd gen for them to improve on things (heck I even would wait for the 3rd gen) before parting with my hard earned money.
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man...somehow i feel quite down when i read this thread. hahaa. i'm not a rich person (most of us here are not) so i really think for VERY VERY LONG TIME (er...i bought my first mac after considering it for > 1 year). so i must admit i have not seen or use kindle before but i do know reading on LED can be quite straining for the eyes after a while.

donno why people wanna keep saying "have u use before? have u use before?" it's like if u havent, then shut up. :T maybe that's not flaming la...but by pinpointing at the YOU who has not used Kindle...i kinda 'feel it'.

and to that string fella --- what is that "china thingy" you talk about and communism lagi. :|

i think some of you mentioned that ipad is relatively new and most of us here are clueless about it besides what the press/web/bla bla have told us so far. so, just wait for the product to be released first lor.

last but not least, i love Apple products but i wont simply buy just because i'm a fan since their stuff r not cheap at all. i'll only buy something which i feel is useful for me (yes, i'm quite kedekut 1).
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i got notebook+iphone 3g...so i need this thing for wat... rclxub.gif
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^ well said calvin_ng smile.gif

how long can ur ipod battery last? im using 1st gen too, i think i bought it in sept/nov 2007...battery still ok for me smile.gif yeah at first it was juz an ipod with a big screen n wifi...i bought it cuz i felt ipod touch got future when i see people can jailbreak and install apps. glad i was right smile.gif

so yeah, i'd appreciate a giant ipod touch. i think the price is right (for a 1st gen iDevice. it'll go down later)...i dont think it's expensive for the specs. maybe i'll get a 2nd or 3rd gen someday

one question though. does anyone have any idea how the safari browser handles tabs? this is also one huge problem i have with the ipod touch. everytime wanna switch tabs, it has to load the page again sad.gif

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In fact, I suggest that at the very least Apple must improve to their iPad before anyone should even contemplating buying it is the inclusion of flash into their browser. No point buying a product that was meant to surf the net and could not 40% of the websites just because the iPad does not support flash.
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Agree with what you say calvin. I will also get an Ipad for my internet surfing or playing games when my imac is being occupied.

However, it is unlikely now for flash support to be implemented.

Quote" As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.
Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5."

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/31/steve-...-macs-and-more/

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QUOTE(jphlau @ Feb 1 2010, 10:28 AM)
Agree with what you say calvin. I will also get an Ipad for my internet surfing or playing games when my imac is being occupied.

However, it is unlikely now for flash support to be implemented.

Quote" As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.
Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5."

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/31/steve-...-macs-and-more/
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Well folks, there you have it. If Apple does not make their customer's live's easier by surfing the web, that is a big minus for me. So for me, I probably keep my hard earned money for the time being until they do or HTML 5 actually takes off. They will eventually, trust me. Therefore, avoid the 1st gen and wait for the 2nd if not 3rd gen. I don't think they intend to give up the iPad, like apple TV or even Macbook Air.
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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Jan 31 2010, 10:43 AM)
well compare to ARM Cortax A9
atom sucks

see this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4W6lVQl3QA...player_embedded


Added on January 31, 2010, 10:51 am

still early judge it's fail or not
but i see great potential in future

the A4 chip is based on ARM Cortex A9, it's powerful for sure
up to date, iphone OS can runs OpenGL
so, it's just problem of time for iphone OS development
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afaik it doesnt multitask and plays 640x480 mp4 just to name a few. please define powerful.

QUOTE(nawzi @ Jan 31 2010, 12:46 PM)
QUOTE(fumjusta @ Jan 31 2010, 02:15 PM)
Guys, I just wanna share this with you. Before the launch of the iPad, I read 2 articles that thoroughly explain why Apple is going to adopt (which they did) iPhone OS, instead of Mac OSX.

Computers Should Be More Like Toasters

The Apple Tablet Interface Must Be Like This

and from the iPad video at, Jonathan Ive, Apple design guru, said

"In many ways this defines our vision, our sense of what's next."

They really think that this is the way forward. Let's see the adoption rate for the first year shall we.
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this is entirely subjective. there are tonnes of ppl who likes windows style interface as well, esp the new Win7. design wise, i do agree with him, functionality, no

QUOTE(zemmien @ Jan 31 2010, 05:51 PM)
Mac still rules whaaaat..
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rules like how? mobile market ruled by nokia. pc market ruled by HP. os market pwned by msoft.

QUOTE(civic98 @ Jan 31 2010, 07:05 PM)
Can't believe the negavity of people here, we have people who would spend thousands on a device that only plays games, or on device that only plays videos / music, or even one that only plays slideshows of photos, or just to surf the web, but here we have something that does all of them, though not to perfection, and it's getting all sorts of bad comments. Anyone thinks positive anymore?
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notice that those device you mentioned have a clearly defined purpose while this is mainly redundant to what we already have.

QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 31 2010, 10:40 PM)
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QUOTE(jphlau @ Feb 1 2010, 10:28 AM)
Agree with what you say calvin. I will also get an Ipad for my internet surfing or playing games when my imac is being occupied.

However, it is unlikely now for flash support to be implemented.

Quote" As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.
Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5."

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/31/steve-...-macs-and-more/
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HTML5 still have some distance to go. also you wouldnt know what adobe will bring in next that will make ppl in apple emo.
anyway, idk about you guys but all my years of using a pc, i dont recall myself crashing because of flash.
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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Feb 1 2010, 10:48 AM)
notice that those device you mentioned have a clearly defined purpose while this is mainly redundant to what we already have.

HTML5 still have some distance to go. also you wouldnt know what adobe will bring in next that will make ppl in apple emo.
anyway, idk about you guys but all my years of using a pc, i dont recall myself crashing because of flash.
What you have does not define what others has. So please don't judge others based on your own opinions. There are difference here, and everyone is free to voice theirs, but it's not for you to judge.

And I believe he was talking about crashin in Mac caused by flash, nothing to do with your pc, or you crashing. Quote: "Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it's because of Flash". And to add for that matter, in my years of using a PC, it crashes even for no apparent reason. Well, that's PC.

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I'm also still waiting for a work-capable iPad (Pro)... something that can run
- Adobe Suite
- Comes with a cutting edge Apple-made Stylus for pin-point accuracy
- Wireless connectivity with External Drives
- Wireless connectivity with a Full HD LCD TV

Guess, it would more or less be a smaller iMac with a touch screen. hehe
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Hmm, since I bought a PC for 2 years now, it doesn't crash too often when playing flash game. More like 2 times a year? Quite less you know. The latest flash player 10 does thing alot better then it's predecessor, I don't get any crash at all now!

Is it Mac are not flash friendly? Maybe yeah.

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Feb 1 2010, 11:13 AM)
Hmm, since I bought my PC for 2 years, it doesn't crash too often. More like 2 times? Quite less you know. The latest flash player 10 does thing alot better then it's predecessor, I don't get any crash at all now!

Is it Mac are not flash friendly? Maybe yeah.
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What you have does not define what others has. So please don't judge others based on your own opinions. There are difference here, and everyone is free to voice theirs, but it's not for you to judge.

And I believe he was talking about crashin in Mac caused by flash, nothing to do with your pc, or you crashing. Quote: "Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it's because of Flash". And to add for that matter, in my years of using a PC, it crashes even for no apparent reason. Well, that's PC.
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Systems are not built to accomodate flash or Adobe. It's Adobe's job to implement a version that will run smoothly on the various systems.
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adobe made a wise choice then with 90%+ of the world using windows~ or should they mess something up in the 90% to accommodate the remaining %?
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flash doesnt crash a lot of PCs. it's just that flash version of Mac and also Linux is far worse. that's the problem. we're talking about macs here, so no need to mix PCs in since flash works well on them smile.gif


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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Feb 1 2010, 11:26 AM)
adobe made a wise choice then with 90%+ of the world using windows~ or should they mess something up in the 90% to accommodate the remaining %?
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Lol. I hope Adobe is not listening here, you're practically saying Adobe is not going to be good at other things, other than Windows. 90% vs remaining are market share figures, it does not reflect how good are they in their job, being better in the Windows market doesn't mean they can't be good at others, and vice versa. It's a matter of whether they want to or not.

If you ask me is Adobe stupid enough to ignore the growing market of OSX?

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Lol. I hope Adobe is not listening here, you're practically saying Adobe is not going to be good at other things, other than Windows. 90% vs remaining are market share figures, it does not reflect how good are they in their job, being better in the Windows market doesn't mean they can't be good at others, and vice versa. It's a matter of whether they want to or not.

If you ask me is Adobe stupid enough to ignore the growing market of OSX?
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did i say they arent good? like what u've said, if they can make it work well for all OS, why not? there must be some sort of technical/cost implication that u and i dont know. unless they hate apple for some unknown reason so they are doing it for the lulz.
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So how I feel a lot of normal consumers are going to get it just because of the hype/trend without knowing a thing about what it does...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/stephen...rt-has-an-ipad/
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Feb 1 2010, 10:12 AM)
^ well said calvin_ng smile.gif

how long can ur ipod battery last? im using 1st gen too, i think i bought it in sept/nov 2007...battery still ok for me smile.gif yeah at first it was juz an ipod with a big screen n wifi...i bought it cuz i felt ipod touch got future when i see people can jailbreak and install apps. glad i was right smile.gif

so yeah, i'd appreciate a giant ipod touch. i think the price is right (for a 1st gen iDevice. it'll go down later)...i dont think it's expensive for the specs. maybe i'll get a 2nd or 3rd gen someday

one question though. does anyone have any idea how the safari browser handles tabs? this is also one huge problem i have with the ipod touch. everytime wanna switch tabs, it has to load the page again sad.gif
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so the battery was heat damaged....

I bought since it launched in Malaysia, way before jailbreak was event exist... after I purchase damn regret hahaha but luckily OS3 came in and change the whole thing... Jailbreak too smile.gif smile.gif

well... let's just see how much Ipad is selling smile.gif would not mind getting my hands on one smile.gif

Who wanna buy my Asus Net Book!!! I'll trade 1 for Ipad smile.gif smile.gif
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QUOTE(xenohawk @ Feb 1 2010, 11:58 AM)
So how I feel a lot of normal consumers are going to get it just because of the hype/trend without knowing a thing about what it does...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/stephen...rt-has-an-ipad/
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A lot of normal consumers are only waiting second hand iPad tongue.gif
And a lot of Apple fanboys are wait n see until iPad make some magnificent improvement both hardware & software.

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If the N900 can run Mac OSX, why can't the iPad?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/mac-os-...c-barely-usable
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 1 2010, 02:46 PM)
If the N900 can run Mac OSX, why can't the iPad?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/mac-os-...c-barely-usable
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Before someone else comes back to you, I'll say it right upfront. Keyword:barely usable. 90 minutes boot-up, snailpaced cursors. Apple dont roll that way.
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MacOSX is a full fledge 100% desktop OS. Porting to N900 is amazing (I just WOW see how N900 do things), and that's the best part of it. Even if it took 90 minutes to boot-up, unlike iPhone OS, Maemo is open source and it's free to hack (hack user-friendliness) when compare to other iPhone OS devices including the iPad.

Many people are against iPad due to restrictness, and some hope someone able to hack the iPad and insert the full fledge MacOSX Snow Leapord desktop versions. The wish are near to impossible. Why? Apple is too strict with their consumer/products. iPad should be open abit, multitask (come on Steve) and people would love the devices (including myself). I now don't mind having iPhone OS, but Apple being too strict, no Multitask, no widescreen display, no flash? Come on la! If they want majority PC user to use their products, come up a thing that PC users want! We're tech geek gadget good for nothing user! If we want multitask, then bring it on! Consumer demand high tech things!

I don't mind the design, but majority does not met my expectation. If I buy this tablet, it will replace my everyday newspaper (which I buy from the nearest 7-11) and I will go green with the environment.

p/s: my last post for this topic. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 1 2010, 02:46 PM)
If the N900 can run Mac OSX, why can't the iPad?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/mac-os-...c-barely-usable
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Even if you're to ignore the OS performance here, you'll still need to address the human interface aspect of things. how are you going to handle your usual input? Its like I had mentioned before, trying to cram an OS where the input method is via keyboard/mouse into a device where the input method is primarily is via a touch screen, you're in for a world of pain, unless its solely for the purpose of a specialized application for a specialized purpose.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Feb 1 2010, 03:09 PM)
MacOSX is a full fledge 100% desktop OS. Porting to N900 is amazing (I just WOW see how N900 do things), and that's the best part of it. Even if it took 90 minutes to boot-up, unlike iPhone OS, Maemo is open source and it's free to hack (hack user-friendliness) when compare to other iPhone OS devices including the iPad.

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Why the need to quote my post then? Dude, I'm not ignorant or stupid when it comes to other alternative OSes. I've used and still have in my possession, the Nokia N770 on Maemo turned to an LCARS PAD interface long before Nokia deemed it fashionable enough to bring it to the masses on the N900. I repeat: I am not ignorant, or stupid. rolleyes.gif

Where do people draw the line then? I can hackintosh my way into the early EEEPC but what's the point if it's crawling to even begin with? Just to prove a point? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 1 2010, 02:49 PM)
Before someone else comes back to you, I'll say it right upfront. Keyword:barely usable. 90 minutes boot-up, snailpaced cursors. Apple dont roll that way.
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8 reasons you won't choose iPad:

Big, Ugly Bezel
Have you seen the bezel on this thing?! It's huge! I know you don't want to accidentally input a command when your thumb is holding it, but come on.

No Multitasking
This is a backbreaker. If this is supposed to be a replacement for netbooks, how can it possibly not have multitasking? Are you saying I can't listen to Pandora while writing a document? I can't have my Twitter app open at the same time as my browser? I can't have AIM open at the same time as my email? Are you kidding me? This alone guarantees that I will not buy this product.

No Cameras
No front facing camera is one thing. But no back facing camera either? Why the hell not? I can't imagine what the downside was for including at least one camera. Could this thing not handle video iChat?

Touch Keyboard
So much for Apple revolutionizing tablet inputs; this is the same big, ugly touchscreen keyboard we've seen on other tablets, and unless you're lying on the couch with your knees propping it up, it'll be awkward to use.

No HDMI Out
Want to watch those nice HD videos you downloaded from iTunes on your TV? Too damned bad! If you were truly loyal, you'd just buy an AppleTV already.

The Name iPad
Get ready for Maxi pad jokes, and lots of 'em!

No Flash
No Flash is annoying but not a dealbreaker on the iPhone and iPod Touch. On something that's supposed to be closer to a netbook or laptop? It will leave huge, gaping holes in websites. I hope you don't care about streaming video! God knows not many casual internet users do. Oh wait, nevermind, they all do.

Adapters, Adapters, Adapters
So much for those smooth lines. If you want to plug anything into this, such as a digital camera, you need all sorts of ugly adapters. You need an adapter for USB for god's sake.

Update: Why stop at 8? Here are more things we are discovering that suck about the iPad.

It's Not Widescreen
Widescreen movies look lousy on this thing thanks to its 4:3 screen, according to Blam, who checked out some of Star Trek on one. It's like owning a 4:3 TV all over again!

Doesn't Support T-Mobile 3G
Sure, it's "unlocked." But it won't work on T-Mobile, and it uses microSIMs that literally no one else uses.

A Closed App Ecosystem
The iPad only runs apps from the App Store. The same App Store that is notorious for banning apps for no real reason, such as Google Voice. Sure, netbooks might not have touchscreens, but you can install whatever software you'd like on them. Want to run a different browser on your iPad? Too bad!
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...and that's what makes other people envy seeing how the money is being spend... biggrin.gif
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I love to share Apple product experiences with my friends or other people,
but i dont understant that some people buy Apple things (expecially iPhone 3G/3GS) just driven by hype and show off to other people. But "they" dont really fell it software/ hardware. My statement is not point to anybody in this thread but some people around me that have a lot money to throw. And i do believe iPad will be purchase either Fanboys or not.
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QUOTE(Nic87_Lowyat @ Feb 1 2010, 05:37 PM)
nice copy ya bro ... this kind of copy it really make you look like a '' anti apple professional ''
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Come to think of it, in regards to the thick bezel and the lack of the camera:
- the thick bezel: well, if you're to think about it right, the device is pretty much too thick for you to hold at the edges like the iPhone. You need something to grip onto. And without that bezel, you'll end up with your gripping hand on the size of the screen which translates into a touch onto the screen itself.

- the lack of a front facing camera: I've been puzzling over this, then somebody actually made a good point on it. There's pretty much no up, down, left or right to this device. Up is whatever direction that is currently facing up as you rotate it around and so forth. Which plays hell when it comes to the mounting of a front facing camera. I guess at the end of the day, its a choice between the ability to rotate the screen and the camera (till somebody can fit a camera that autopans accordingly to the rotation)


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I love to share Apple product experiences with my friends or other people,
but i dont understant that some people buy Apple things (expecially iPhone 3G/3GS) just driven by hype and show off to other people. But "they" dont really fell it software/ hardware. My statement is not point to anybody in this thread but some people around me that have a lot money to throw. And i do believe iPad will be purchase either Fanboys or not.
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IMO, the lack of Flash will have a larger impact on the iPad than the iPhone and iPod Touch. The iPhone's lack of Flash was acceptable because very few want to browse the web on 3.5" device but the iPad was marketed as the best web browsing experience but it significantly lack the a large chunk of the internet in the form of Flash. What happens when teenage girls found out their favourite artist's site can't be viewed and they can't watch their friend's video on Facebook? Backlash.

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Bloody hell, no flash support? f**k me! This is something close to netbook, just like what the guy said up there, and it doesn't have flash? LOL! meaning I can't even watch videos that my friends tagged in facebook! And i also completely agree about the camera. Look at iPhone, man! it's so small, still it has camera. iPad, 10 inch big. It's 25 centimeters big and it doesn't even have a bloody camera? Oh, I expected more than that. Disappointed.

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/entelli...he-ipad-launch/

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From the same guy,
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Entelligence: iSlate or just uWish?
By Michael Gartenberg posted Dec 28th 2009 6:30PM

Quote "A larger iPod touch or a small MacBook with a touch screen is simply not the next big thing for Apple -- the goal is to appeal to 50 million customers, not 50 thousand."

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Michael Gartenberg said in the above article...

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The meta lesson is that the story told is as important as the hardware, software and services being sold -- and while everyone may not be convinced, I do think Apple will win over the majority of a skeptical audience with high expectations.

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QUOTE(Edoras @ Feb 1 2010, 08:32 PM)
Michael Gartenberg said in the above article...
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Yeah, I'm just pointing out his hypocrisy.
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QUOTE(mematron @ Feb 1 2010, 07:28 PM)
Bloody hell, no flash support? f**k me! This is something close to netbook, just like what the guy said up there, and it doesn't have flash? LOL! meaning I can't even watch videos that my friends tagged in facebook! And i also completely agree about the camera. Look at iPhone, man! it's so small, still it has camera. iPad, 10 inch big. It's 25 centimeters big and it doesn't even have a bloody camera? Oh, I expected more than that. Disappointed.
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In regards to the camera, there's 2 ways the camera is to be placed:
- back: are you really gonna hold up a piece of equipment that big to snap a photo with?
- front: Like I mentioned earlier, there's no up down left or right that's fixed for this device. Up is whichever up that you rotate the device to. With that in mind, unless you can have a camera lens that can automatically detect faces or a group of faces and pans the camera lens accordingly, the device rotation will play hell with such a camera placement. Thus, its a choice between a front facing camera and the ability to rotate the device orientation as needed.

And in regards to flash, well, personally I hate flash. And I don't facebook either, so it doesn't effect me tongue.gif

edit: according to my GF who uses facebook for work purposes, the iPhone app for facebook actually makes a pretty good replacement for the web version. I guess that resolves the viewing of facebook videos problem?

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QUOTE(mematron @ Feb 1 2010, 07:28 PM)
Bloody hell, no flash support? f**k me! This is something close to netbook, just like what the guy said up there, and it doesn't have flash? LOL! meaning I can't even watch videos that my friends tagged in facebook! And i also completely agree about the camera. Look at iPhone, man! it's so small, still it has camera. iPad, 10 inch big. It's 25 centimeters big and it doesn't even have a bloody camera? Oh, I expected more than that. Disappointed.
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Why are you guys being so apologetic for Apple's fault? The lack of camera is stupid. You haven't even use the iPad and you are already dismissing that it does not look comfortable or makes no sense.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 2 2010, 12:08 AM)
Why are you guys being so apologetic for Apple's fault? The lack of camera is stupid. You haven't even use the iPad and you are already dismissing that it does not look comfortable or makes no sense.
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To put it simply, when you've spent enough time puzzling over human computer interface related stuff, you'll will indeed know the issues. You don't really need to have the iPad in your hand either to understand the interface hell that it'll play when it comes to camera position when you rotate the screen. Just take a good look at your own camera at the top of your mac's screen. Rotate your mac 90 degrees, or 180 degrees, and see if the camera still have got your face in focus or not, and look at the holding position that you'll need to have to keep your face in focus. Try doing this with your notebook and see for yourself. Forget the 180 degree rotation, just try for the 90 degree.

I'm not being apologetic, I'm being realistic and I have given my reasoning on why I view it as such. And thus I prefer not to whine over something that is limited by technology at the moment either. I would rather spend my time looking at the various applications that I can think of for such a device. What I can say is that it does open new doors for me to pitch specialized applications to my clients. Seeing that none of what I've got in mind to build requires a camera, the lack of the camera right now doesn't bother me.

The Human Computer Interface constraints is the main reason why the full OS X is not stuffed into the iPad either, despite the iPad being capable of running the full OS. Its like when I first stuffed Linux into the 1st gen iPaq. While it was fun for a day or 2, I ended up asking myself after that, exactly how practical is it to have a linux command prompt on the iPaq.

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Some apps on the iPad I read cannot change to landscape or portrait mode. The fact of the matter is that this device is aimed at the casual users and a camera for video conferencing would be of high value to the demographic target. Omitting it is simply puzzling since this device is meant to have the capability of a laptop but the simplicity of a phone.
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I hardly use the iSight. But on the phone it's handy cause the size of the phone and the phone is always with me.

But on the iPad I don't think it's practical, imagine holding a huge pad while trying to photograph something. Neither I'm a fan of video chat. Having it is a plus, but I won't dig around for complaint just because it doesn't have one.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 2 2010, 12:35 AM)
Some apps on the iPad I read cannot change to landscape or portrait mode. The fact of the matter is that this device is aimed at the casual users and a camera for video conferencing would be of high value to the demographic target. Omitting it is simply puzzling since this device is meant to have the capability of a laptop but the simplicity of a phone.
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Here's a little snippet from the iPad Human Interface Guidelines document:

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Support All Orientations

Being able to run in all orientations is key to the success of your iPad application. The reason is that people don’t view the device as having a default orientation, because they don’t pay much attention to the minimal device frame and they’re unconcerned with the location of the Home button. And, the large screen mitigates people’s desire to rotate the device to landscape to “see more.” Your application should encourage people to interact with iPad from any side by providing a great experience in all orientations.

Important: Although you might not have supported all orientations in your iPhone application, you must do so in your iPad application.
And out of curiosity, which are the apps that you've read that cannot change their orientation views? And besides, have you forgotten about where your hands and fingers will be at when you hold the device? on the bezel of course. And where can the camera be located at? On the bezel of course. I can already imagine the cries of: 'Arrgghh. my hands are blocking the camera... grr.. which direction should I be holding it in so I don't block it??'.

Furthermore, whatever makes you think that this is a device aimed at the casual users? The fact of the matter is that you're just making assumptions here. This is actually a device capable of quite a number of purposes, and of which there's plenty of developers right now puzzling over the HCI aspect of things in order to plan their own apps for it.

Yes, a camera will indeed be useful. But it won't kill not to have one right now, considering the current constaint to deal with. Like I said, if its a choice between the multi orientation capability or the cam, I'll go with the multi orientation capability.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 12:49 AM)
Here's a little snippet from the iPad Human Interface Guidelines document:
And out of curiosity, which are the apps that you've read that cannot change their orientation views? And besides, have you forgotten about where your hands and fingers will be at when you hold the device? on the bezel of course. And where can the camera be located at? On the bezel of course. I can already imagine the cries of: 'Arrgghh. my hands are blocking the camera... grr.. which direction should I be holding it in so I don't block it??'.

Furthermore, whatever makes you think that this is a device aimed at the casual users? The fact of the matter is that you're just making assumptions here. This is actually a device capable of quite a number of purposes, and of which there's plenty of developers right now puzzling over the HCI aspect of things in order to plan their own apps for it.

Yes, a camera will indeed be useful. But it won't kill not to have one right now, considering the current constaint to deal with. Like I said, if its a choice between the multi orientation capability or the cam, I'll go with the multi orientation capability.
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Care to state the purposes that tech-savvy or professionals may find in the iPad? I'm genuinely curious because I really want to get this but I can't justify it.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 2 2010, 01:02 AM)
Care to state the purposes that tech-savvy or professionals may find in the iPad? I'm genuinely curious because I really want to get this but I can't justify it.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 2 2010, 01:02 AM)
Care to state the purposes that tech-savvy or professionals may find in the iPad? I'm genuinely curious because I really want to get this but I can't justify it.
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First off my mind:
- data center technicians. Those who actually go into the DC itself, not those sitting in the aquarium watching the screen. A specialized app that hooks onto the various monitoring systems, which also allows them to acknowledge fault reports and then report when problems are resolved. useful enough in situations where there's no space to put their notebooks, and so they do not have to balance their notebooks on one hand while typing with the other. Applicable for normal data centers as well as for telco rooms
- financial data on the go. Among other uses, one client that I'm already talking to for this will find it useful for those sitting in the makeup artists chair before they go on air, to review the stuff that they'll need to talk about on TV. once again, useful so they do not have to balance their notebooks on one hand while typing with the other. gives a pretty cool effect too if they're to hold the tablet device while on TV instead of just sitting in front of the normal notebooks.
- people who need to move around quite a bit but need to review and approve video clips. this is something that I'm looking at customizing and integrating into Final Cut Server, for it to expose an interface that is accessible by a custom app on the iPad.

And these 3 are merely the pitches that I had been making last Friday, and the same ppl has already expressed interest as well.

The key here are the situations for use. When ppl need a larger screen than a phone, and they do not want to have to balance a notebook in one hand and type with the other.

Other general purpose use will be for perhaps photographers to show their portfolio in a 'cool' manner?

Such are just the tip of the iceberg. You just need to use your imagination a little bit more you know.

This post has been edited by fyire: Feb 2 2010, 01:38 AM
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What I think about this product is

This Ipad is cool. Instead of keep develop Mac OS, they want to expand the IPHONE OS to more devices. From the video, it is clearly show that actually iphone os is very strong and interactive. It is just the limitation of iphone (screen size) to LIMIT all the creativity.

Look at bright side, it will gave the opportunities for APPLE to gather more Multi Touch Screen Experience from iPad user.

In future, it could also improve the iphone OS into stronger platform. So, Iphone users why complaints about iPad ? tongue.gif


p/s: my parents just need a device for online read news, email & ebook. They quite like the features of iPad & I am going to get for them.



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