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dattebayo
post Jan 28 2010, 11:23 AM

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biggest turndown:
NO USB port [for aesthetical purpose again, yada yada]

the claimed 10 hours battery life is highly dubious, it may be the maximum theoretical but in practical situation it is not possible, esp when playing games on it

don't expect this can play any nice games on it, since its running iphone OS, and no one knows the capabilities of the processor yet.


Added on January 28, 2010, 11:27 am
QUOTE(tat3179 @ Jan 28 2010, 11:09 AM)
But I suppose the positive thing that comes out from this is that other PC makers will now produce similar products, like the iPhone.

I actually wanted something like this, but I find the iPad too restrictive. Maybe other makers can do better, especialy the e-reader front.
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see the real thing, and it will be cheaper too
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

What iPhone can do with its multi-touch, so do Android, and why Android don't officially have multi-touch OS, its because Apple b****ed to Google, and Google complies. This is how Apple keep their "epicness", they did it to Microsoft for the Windows GUI before, they are still using the same method


Added on January 28, 2010, 11:30 am
QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 28 2010, 11:12 AM)
Not a very good start for iPad since many already been brainwash to think it is a downsize PC with hand recognition capabilities.

At RM1500, we will have to wait for more apps to come on board for this device to shine...many be a killer game? brows.gif
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who told you this would be RM1500? unsure.gif

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post Jan 28 2010, 11:48 AM

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games on iPhone OS platform will always remain secondary to the device's feature, you will feel bored very quickly to play the same game in iPhone/iPad

the touch-input gaming seems so hype out at first, but it will never replace the real gaming experience which needs the combination of real buttons

this thing would be better if it sells at USD 299 for the lowest end model, at least it could compete with existing smartphones. For USD 499, its too ridiculous for something which don't even have a USB port
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post Jan 28 2010, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(cfyong2020 @ Jan 28 2010, 11:52 AM)
emm...i was wondering it can last for 10 hours...but mac product always will over heat...i dun think we can use tis device for 10 hours...our hand will feel hot....
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when overheat, possibilities are that will explode, like several exploded iPhone cases before


Added on January 28, 2010, 11:55 am
QUOTE(tat3179 @ Jan 28 2010, 11:52 AM)
To me the bulk is not the issue, I think it is actually light and probably fits good in your hands

My issue is what you could do with it. I am disappointed because: -

1. iBook functunality not expanded. Looks like can only read data from purchased books only and not outside sourced books. No support for .pdf format. So not flexible like itunes. Also, not free, need to pay and books sold not cheap. So i will stick to Stanza instead.

2. Cannot do multiple tasks at once.

3. NO FLASH SUPPORT- how to enjoy the internet with no Flash???

4. Videos still cannot play avi file in iTunes...

To me the major let down is the ebook segment sad.gif
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this is how Apple earn your cash
by confining the platform, this cannot do that cannot do, everything is at Apple's mercy

Apple is more evil than Microsoft.

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post Jan 28 2010, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(jphlau @ Jan 28 2010, 12:20 PM)
There is a iPad Camera Connection Kit
The Camera Connection Kit gives you two ways to import photos and videos from a digital camera. The Camera Connector lets you import your photos and videos to iPad using the camera’s USB cable. Or you can use the SD Card Reader to import photos and videos directly from the camera’s SD card.
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those doesn't come included with the box, that means more $$ for the accessories

QUOTE(poyol @ Jan 28 2010, 12:23 PM)
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I think alot of ppl are missing the point on what the iPad is for.

It's not an iPhone.
It's not an iPod.
It's not a Macbook.

So stop comparing the iPad with the above devices. There WILL be uses for it.
Get over it.
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from technical POV, it is an iPhone albeit a bigger size, minus the camera and GSM chip for teh very obvious reason
from Apple marketing POV, well why should we believe a team with ZERO female in it, hence the name -- iTampon aka iPad
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looking forward to the launch of HP Slate, where the price is expected to be around the price of 64GB iPad, but it is a fully fledge Windows slate PC, as oppose to this oversized iPhone.

ps. the bigger screen Safari but still no Flash support is the biggest let down. Oh and the lack of USB port too.
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post Jan 29 2010, 12:18 AM

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the only time i found it worthy to own a Apple product is the limited promotion period where the White MacBook sold for rm3k, at least worthier than Vaio doh.gif

now promo still on or not?

actually the MacBook hardware wise is quite nice, but software wise I prefer Windows whistling.gif
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post Jan 29 2010, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(Voxe @ Jan 29 2010, 12:33 AM)
It would be pointless to get a Mac if you solely want to run Windows. Hardware wise: Asus and Toshiba have comparatively good quality hardware at lower price and better specs.
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oh i mean the built, the closure of the macbook, for rm3k.. its worth lah.. now back to rm3599 again
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post Jan 29 2010, 02:31 AM

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after this iPad, there will be HP Slate, running full sized Windows 7, and once Google are *allowed* to activate its multi-touch codes, it surely will launch Android based tablets too.

now back to one straight point, how many books a Malaysian read in a year on average? How many books they purchase? Let alone e-book.

If not for e-book, what else can this device offer exclusively? What an average Malaysian can get from this device, compare to vast variety of others like iPhone, PSP, Nexus 1, Satio etc
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post Jan 29 2010, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 29 2010, 08:50 AM)
Apple always do something for a reason. They just don't simply 'forget' to put in camera, usb and multi tasking. Come to think of it, you really don't need those stuff when you carry a iPad. The only things that matters are connectivity, the 3G. I think the iPad is targeted at existing iphone & mac users, another piece to complete the collections smile.gif  .  and for only US$629 for the basic set with 3G, i think it's a good price. An alternative to carry to Starbucks to kill time
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for people that live sleep fap with Apple logo, yes the price is just right
for realism people, they rather spend the money on highend netbooks or the upcoming HP Slate.
in this sense, iPad is like SmartforTwo, its expensive yet not delivering practical purposes. This is the impression of Apple people have so far.

QUOTE(Edoras @ Jan 29 2010, 09:06 AM)
I don't understand why people claimed you cannot make call with an iPad?
Then... what's the use of the 3G model version? I am sure we can make calls (other than internet connectivity)...
It has a microphone and speaker... and what we need is only the application...
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1st u need to jailbreak it
2nd u need to find an authorized app which let you make calls on it

1st is likely to happen sometime later, 2nd is impossible
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post Jan 30 2010, 12:08 AM

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this is very typical of Apple products, its either you like it unconditionally, or hate it down to the ground. And Apple do not even bother to give in to the bunch that hate them for valid reasons.

No Flash support means no Flash support, and our phone is still the world's most advanced

No Bluray in our Macs, but our hardware is the most advanced ever crafted

they can give you very flowery reasons as to not include Flash support and Bluray drive, while the reality behind is plain simple, they don't welcome the tech that will compete with them (Flash), and cost them alot (BD drive)

the Apple fanboys will just believe in the flowery creed, while non-Apple users know the Apple business tricks well.

seeing how their immaturity shown in Get-A-Mac ads campaign, even after Win7 they still reuse the tactics against Vista

seeing Apple intervention in Google Android multitouch codes, shows that Apple isn't made of saints either. IMO they are more evil than Microsoft

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post Jan 30 2010, 12:21 AM

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can the Asians download the iBook from App Store after they brought the iPad home?
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post Jan 30 2010, 12:28 AM

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lol... imagine how would the sales from Machines explain the feature of iPad to customers, one day I should go in and ask too rclxms.gif

I would ask "why should I buy this thing, what makes it soooo awesoome"

Apple is indeed the world's most ego-centric company whistling.gif
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post Jan 30 2010, 12:36 AM

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in regard to the "chopped" promo video
here is what fanboys would answer

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Perhaps Apple was worked with the New York Times and other major sites for custom iPad versions of their sites that use an alternative to flash such as HTML5.


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Eh... with HTML 5 coming and H.264 video, there won't be much point to Flash in the future. So I'm okay if they keep it standards based.


http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=856483

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post Jan 30 2010, 12:43 AM

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iPod touch baseline is lesser than RM800, and it can fit into the pocket, and its feature virtually the same as iPad

why iPad then..
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big screen, either HP Slate or netbook for me

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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 12:58 AM)
I did grumble about the lack of Bluray in the Macs, until I asked myself, how many BluRay disks do I actually own anyways, and how many do I plan to get in the near future. Answer is that I don't own any BluRay disks (apart from PS3 games, which can't be used on the Macs anyways), and how many BluRay disks am I planning to buy in the near future? Most likely 1 at max, seeing how much it costs, and that's just for the fun of it.
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well that is from your situation, in western countries, blu ray movies can be rented at much cheaper price, which is also what Apple worries about

Apple being one of the members of bluray association, it is shocking to see Steve Job's view towards BD as "bags of hurts"

the reason being lies in Apple's business structure, unlike Google and MS, Apple invest their costs in hardware, software, and digital distribution. They have no other source of revenue apart from these three. This is the fundamental fact that potential Apple buyers including fanboys should know
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QUOTE(fyire @ Jan 30 2010, 01:22 AM)


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Which also brings up the other question of, how many ppl actually watch bluray disks on their computers anyways, instead of on that huge flatscreen in the living room?
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which goes back to the point "Apple is self-centric"

they just refuse to go with the flow, let's see how many years it take them to finally put in a card reader in MacBook

the mainstream brand like Dell, Acer, etc are bundling BD drive on mid-highend lineups, along with HDMI port, that makes the laptop a good BD player to families without a dedicated BD player.

however, Apple will always be different, they despise HDMI for unknown reasons, they look down on the idea of turning Mac into HTPC, to me they are just weird.
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frankly speaking, what is the average cost for a BD ROM drive? the cost has dropped tremendously since last year, there's not even the need for CTO, just include it in the highest end model of iMac and MBP and that would still not hurt the profit margin.

oh and by including BD drive in certain models only, Apple have to recode the OS and Apps to include support for BD playback. But by doing that, the OS/Hardware integration will not become as consistent as before, as the BD drive will only be available in certain models only, but the code that enables the playback is available even on Mac Mini, that kinda violate Apple's philosophy I guess


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an OT question: is external BD drive supported in Mac? Does Snow Leopard includes the necessary components to read/write Bluray?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 30 2010, 02:32 PM)
Yup. External BD drives are only capable of acting as data storage/writing devices. No application in Mac OS X is able to play a BD movie. It's like Apple giving access to one and denying access to the other.

I'm not going down that road about BD adoption rate. Enough to say that at this juncture, while other companies provide BD CTOs for their higher end lineup, Apple does not, for reasons only known to them. And since they're not talking, doesn't stop people from speculating. And part of the speculation stems from protecting their own revenue from sales on iTunes vs BD playback.
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because if they do, it would violate their philosophy, every piece of software developed by Apple must have perfect integration with Apple hardware, its their insistence. No official BD hardware, means no official support in the OS either. The only way to watch BD movie -- Run Windows on the iMac and connect an external BD via USB/Firewire. It sure will be laughed by Windows guys though

its not about adoption rate and costs involved, it is downright clear that they want to stay off from competition.

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