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post Feb 2 2010, 02:06 AM

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I'm using VNC, Remote Desktop to minitor my own & client's OSX server.
iPhone screen estate is just too small for such task. iPad will save my day.

You don't want to use a 15" MBP inside toilet or in mamak. Which at the moment I have to. shakehead.gif

I'm also using iBank. Hopefully they will update a version for iPad for near Mac version functions. Which I will then can do my finance on the go. Then again, I find it on the iPhone too small, can't even monitor my 1 week statements on single page.

I will also plan to have a digital invoice/DO/paperworks on my iPad, client just have to sign them on my iPad biggrin.gif Or just give me green light. I can do so at the moment with laptop or iphone, but, pushing a MBP around on table is too bulky. Showing them my phone is just too personal. You don't want your GF/Wife picture pop up half way your client reading the doc, as she call. Passing them the iPad to look at is just nice IMHO.

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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 2 2010, 01:02 AM)
Care to state the purposes that tech-savvy or professionals may find in the iPad? I'm genuinely curious because I really want to get this but I can't justify it.
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If you can't find even a simple justification for this iPad, Just Don't Buy It. Period. cool2.gif


Added on February 2, 2010, 6:41 am
QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 12:23 AM)
To put it simply, when you've spent enough time puzzling over human computer interface related stuff, you'll will indeed know the issues. You don't really need to have the iPad in your hand either to understand the interface hell that it'll play when it comes to camera position when you rotate the screen. Just take a good look at your own camera at the top of your mac's screen. Rotate your mac 90 degrees, or 180 degrees, and see if the camera still have got your face in focus or not, and look at the holding position that you'll need to have to keep your face in focus. Try doing this with your notebook and see for yourself. Forget the 180 degree rotation, just try for the 90 degree.

I'm not being apologetic, I'm being realistic and I have given my reasoning on why I view it as such. And thus I prefer not to whine over something that is limited by technology at the moment either. I would rather spend my time looking at the various applications that I can think of for such a device. What I can say is that it does open new doors for me to pitch specialized applications to my clients. Seeing that none of what I've got in mind to build requires a camera, the lack of the camera right now doesn't bother me.

The Human Computer Interface constraints is the main reason why the full OS X is not stuffed into the iPad either, despite the iPad being capable of running the full OS. Its like when I first stuffed Linux into the 1st gen iPaq. While it was fun for a day or 2, I ended up asking myself after that, exactly how practical is it to have a linux command prompt on the iPaq.
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Well said fyire! smile.gif

I think Apple have learned from their mistake in having a camera on latest iPod nano which have a video camera. When change orientation, it seems the fingers are always blocking the lens. I knew this because I bought one of them. tongue.gif

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well what I can say is GREED...

People give you apple you want Fuji Apple smile.gif smile.gif

As we can see A4 processor is quite strong and yes It can play games... Open GL games!!! you cant do that on a netbook hey wait Iphone and ipod can play open GL games too netbook cant either...

so it is simple... if iPad some how have OSX software say snow Lepord.. I bet iPad will not perform... not to mention the heat and processor power and graphic power... so expect the iPad to be Huge and bulky... we don't want that...

thats why iPhone OS was used... it is very light, power efficient, and easy to use... fast too...

it is like perfect combination....

we can want all the things in the world but realistically.. if iPad have a OSX software what next we can say is it is another tablet PC like Vista!!! yuck!!! have U tried Vista on a Tablet PC!!!..... hmmm.... I hate that!!!
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 2 2010, 09:28 AM)
well what I can say is GREED...

People give you apple you want Fuji Apple smile.gif smile.gif

As we can see A4 processor is quite strong and yes It can play games... Open GL games!!! you cant do that on a netbook hey wait Iphone and ipod can play open GL games too netbook cant either...

so it is simple... if iPad some how have OSX software say snow Lepord.. I bet iPad will not perform... not to mention the heat and processor power and graphic power... so expect the iPad to be Huge and bulky... we don't want that...

thats why iPhone OS was used... it is very light, power efficient, and easy to use... fast too...

it is like perfect combination....

we can want all the things in the world but realistically.. if iPad have a OSX software what next we can say is it is another tablet PC like Vista!!! yuck!!! have U tried Vista on a Tablet PC!!!..... hmmm.... I hate that!!!
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beg to differ.. my wife netbook (mini 110) can play world of goo no problem. off course not on highest quality but playable at least. only that 10" screen is too damn small. there's also video on youtube showing netbook running a lot of games which i myself did not try. not sure if ipad A4 proc can handle them any better than intel 950 or nvidia ion..

iPad with OSX will be awesome. at least that what i believe. you can't compare vista tablet with OSX just like that. Vista sucks and not optimized for touch screen while Snow Leopard is the opposite.
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Apple Has Another Tablet In The Works: More Like A Mac Than An iPhone.

That is more like it! Those who wants to stick with stunted creativity or happy with just being an end-user, can stick with the iPad, while the rest who wants a proper traditional Mac experience can move up to this!

Contrary to a certain post above me, OSX on a tablet WILL NOT be like running Vista on a Tablet. Go ask the Hackintoshing community, they've run miracles on mere netbook specs, and it runs more than satisfactorily, it ran smoothly in fact. And this without proper trimmings and modified OSX optimizations for touch either!

It is not called GREED, it is called "never settling down for something mediocre when you can have something better" Technology never stop advancing, and unlike the typical Malaysian attitude of "aiyah this one good enough lah" being displayed here, there are others who would rather push the envelope than settling in them. Apple should have posted a snippet of this news sooner to assuage the huge backlash and unfavourable reactions seen around the net.


Added on February 2, 2010, 10:28 am
QUOTE(rushmode @ Feb 2 2010, 10:13 AM)
beg to differ.. my wife netbook (mini 110) can play world of goo no problem. off course not on highest quality but playable at least. only that 10" screen is too damn small. there's also video on youtube showing netbook running a lot of games which i myself did not try. not sure if ipad A4 proc can handle them any better than intel 950 or nvidia ion..

iPad with OSX will be awesome. at least that what i believe. you can't compare vista tablet with OSX just like that. Vista sucks and not optimized for touch screen while Snow Leopard is the opposite.
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It's simple really, look at this past experiences with a portable. All on Windoze-based laptops. No wonder his "expectations" are as such. Those who have spent their time with OSX , proper or properly hackintoshed, would say otherwise. Ask the Axiotron fellas with their Modbooks. Hell, ask our forum member wei why he toiled with his iTab project. And look at the reactions and responses he get from his creation on Engadget itself. It's a pent-up demand on a market that yearns for more than what they get on "a Vista on a Tablet". Yuck on that, but CERTAINLY not Yuck on OSX.



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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 1 2010, 05:43 PM)
- the lack of a front facing camera: I've been puzzling over this, then somebody actually made a good point on it. There's pretty much no up, down, left or right to this device. Up is whatever direction that is currently facing up as you rotate it around and so forth. Which plays hell when it comes to the mounting of a front facing camera. I guess at the end of the day, its a choice between the ability to rotate the screen and the camera (till somebody can fit a camera that autopans accordingly to the rotation)
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who on earth rotate their device over and over again while using it? they can always fix the camera to work at certain direction that they see fit. a camera lens should be protected and not exposed anyway so why cant we touch it.

QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 2 2010, 09:28 AM)
As we can see A4 processor is quite strong and yes It can play games... Open GL games!!! you cant do that on a netbook hey wait Iphone and ipod can play open GL games too netbook cant either...

we can want all the things in the world but realistically.. if iPad have a OSX software what next we can say is it is another tablet PC like Vista!!! yuck!!! have U tried Vista on a Tablet PC!!!..... hmmm.... I hate that!!!
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wow just because it runs opengl it is godlike? how was the graphic quality? most games as of now is running opengl as well. i wonder if this ipad/iphone/ipod can take crysis, o wait nvm that is too much, halflife2 perhaps? for something that cant even multitask and play >640x480 mp4 videos as of now, the 3d rendering must be 'promising' for sure.

also please do some research before saying netbooks cant run opengl games. however, if you intend to me make lol, u are successful. ever heard of nvidia ion? google it up

vista? that is outdated but am not surprise if it is from u cuz u can randomly blurt of crap like netbook cant run opengl

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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 12:49 AM)
And out of curiosity, which are the apps that you've read that cannot change their orientation views?
iirc, keynote only runs in landscape (mentioned during the presentation)

i too, can definitely see the use for it in place of laptops and netbooks for people who is always on the go and yet need to access information/do small data entry.

seeing ipad version of iworks really make me go wow. wonder if microsoft will make ipad version of office? since as nice as iworks is, it cant replace office in the workplace.

only negative i see is the lack of usb and/or sd card reader. imagine if you are working and someone say, hey, let me give you this file on my thumbdrive/sd card....

and it better have some sort of finder built in as it is now dealing with some files that may need organizing.

and i wonder how hot it gets with running at full power. seeing that i dont think there is a fan attached.


Added on February 2, 2010, 10:38 am
QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Feb 2 2010, 10:30 AM)
who on earth rotate their device over and over again while using it? they can always fix the camera to work at certain direction that they see fit. a camera lens should be protected and not exposed anyway so why cant we touch it.
wow just because it runs opengl it is godlike? how was the graphic quality? most games as of now is running opengl as well. i wonder if this ipad/iphone/ipod can take crysis, o wait nvm that is too much, halflife2 perhaps? for something that cant even multitask and play >640x480 mp4 videos as of now, the 3d rendering must be 'promising' for sure.

also please do some research before saying netbooks cant run opengl games. however, if you intend to me make lol, u are successful. ever heard of nvidia ion? google it up

vista? that is outdated but am not surprise if it is from u cuz u can randomly blurt of crap like netbook cant run opengl
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you must not know apple. do you know how long it take for them to implement "non core function that is nice to have and every other competitor have" (eg fm radio on ipod; sd card reader on notebooks; etc etc) on their device?

front facing camera will come in future version if the demand is there. right now, vid conferencing imho is very very seldom used.

lol, basically you want a mac pro in a tablet?

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OMG.. Malu only..

"Putrajaya and Komtar are claiming that the iPad, due to its position as a product in between the iPhone and the MacBook, is mimicking the 1 Malaysia and Middle Malaysia concepts, respectively."

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.p...copying-patents
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QUOTE(xenohawk @ Feb 2 2010, 10:39 AM)
OMG.. Malu only..

"Putrajaya and Komtar are claiming that the iPad, due to its position as a product in between the iPhone and the MacBook, is mimicking the 1 Malaysia and Middle Malaysia concepts, respectively."

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.p...copying-patents
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lolwut?

look at the author, its a satire column la.....
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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Feb 2 2010, 10:30 AM)
who on earth rotate their device over and over again while using it? they can always fix the camera to work at certain direction that they see fit. a camera lens should be protected and not exposed anyway so why cant we touch it.
Like I said, 2 main issues with the front facing camera position:
- orientation issue. as I had mentioned before try for a 90 degree orientation with your mac's camera and see if its still got you in proper sight or not
- and the camera lens can have all the protection in the world, it can have the protection that allows it to withstand a nuclear bomb, but still be useless if your finger happened to be covering it and blocking it.

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Added on February 2, 2010, 10:38 am
you must not know apple. do you know how long it take for them to implement "non core function that is nice to have and every other competitor have" (eg fm radio on ipod; sd card reader on notebooks; etc etc) on their device?

front facing camera will come in future version if the demand is there. right now, vid conferencing imho is very very seldom used.

lol, basically you want a mac pro in a tablet?
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from a consumer point of view, it doesnt matter how many chips a product have as long as it delivers what they want.
as for the vid chat, it might be true due to our crappy internet which causes stuttering videos but not in other developed countries. nvr ever use msia as a baseline~

and no, i dont want a macpro tablet even if it exist because i dont use osx due to its limitation. simple as that.

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what the f*** is this going to do with ipad and malaysia, Mr Lim!
i read the either thing, havent got any cruel

iPad name originally owned by fujitshu, now you 's'hole join the league for no reason?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 2 2010, 10:23 AM)
Apple Has Another Tablet In The Works: More Like A Mac Than An iPhone.

That is more like it! Those who wants to stick with stunted creativity or happy with just being an end-user, can stick with the iPad, while the rest who wants a proper traditional Mac experience can move up to this!

Contrary to a certain post above me, OSX on a tablet WILL NOT be like running Vista on a Tablet. Go ask the Hackintoshing community, they've run miracles on mere netbook specs, and it runs more than satisfactorily, it ran smoothly in fact. And this without proper trimmings and modified OSX optimizations for touch either!

It is not called GREED, it is called "never settling down for something mediocre when you can have something better" Technology never stop advancing, and unlike the typical Malaysian attitude of "aiyah this one good enough lah" being displayed here, there are others who would rather push the envelope than settling in them. Apple should have posted a snippet of this news sooner to assuage the huge backlash and unfavourable reactions seen around the net.


Added on February 2, 2010, 10:28 am

It's simple really, look at this past experiences with a portable. All on Windoze-based laptops. No wonder his "expectations" are as such. Those who have spent their time with OSX , proper or properly hackintoshed, would say otherwise. Ask the Axiotron fellas with their Modbooks. Hell, ask our forum member wei why he toiled with his iTab project. And look at the reactions and responses he get from his creation on Engadget itself. It's a pent-up demand on a market that yearns for more than what they get on "a Vista on a Tablet". Yuck on that, but CERTAINLY not Yuck on OSX.
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But tell me something anyways, exactly how practical is the full OS X on a touchscreen only device for general purpose usage? After all, the standard OS X interface does not take into consideration of the on screen keypad covering that much of the screen area too when active.

Wei did mention as well that a Touch Screen OS X is not exactly something that will be of much use on your desk or on your hands.
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Hahaha a mac pro on a tablet form... Just get a mac pro for god sake hahaha
simple I have seen and play with Dell studio it is a touch screen pc and I can say given a OSX on a iPad assume they did it will not perform so is the battery life end up no one will buy why simple easy take a look at mac book air not so demanding why make another product that is same as MacBook air with touch screen hahaha erm... No thanks.. Yes I agree netbook can play with nvidia ion but have you tried I have a acer at home atom with ion hook up to my 32 LCD hmmm play game hmm no... Thanks kinda laggy. Any way for those who used to touch or iPhone they will get what I mean on game play. Moving on let's just put it here A4 chip is powerfull but only if the OS work hand in hand. Put it this way I gave you a Fererri on a buzy road you can't speed or go that fast smile.gif all I can say is it is agreat tablet but all technology device you cannot get the best on both side az it does not exist. Even it does it is too costly to afford and develop.
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Feb 2 2010, 10:32 AM)
you must not know apple. do you know how long it take for them to implement "non core function that is nice to have and every other competitor have" (eg fm radio on ipod; sd card reader on notebooks; etc etc) on their device?

front facing camera will come in future version if the demand is there. right now, vid conferencing imho is very very seldom used.

lol, basically you want a mac pro in a tablet?
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Front facing camera will indeed be useful, but like I said, they need to resolve problem of the camera facing direction issue when you change orientation first.
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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Feb 2 2010, 10:30 AM)
who on earth rotate their device over and over again while using it? they can always fix the camera to work at certain direction that they see fit. a camera lens should be protected and not exposed anyway so why cant we touch it.
wow just because it runs opengl it is godlike? how was the graphic quality? most games as of now is running opengl as well. i wonder if this ipad/iphone/ipod can take crysis, o wait nvm that is too much, halflife2 perhaps? for something that cant even multitask and play >640x480 mp4 videos as of now, the 3d rendering must be 'promising' for sure.

also please do some research before saying netbooks cant run opengl games. however, if you intend to me make lol, u are successful. ever heard of nvidia ion? google it up

vista? that is outdated but am not surprise if it is from u cuz u can randomly blurt of crap like netbook cant run opengl
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dont be stupid or sacristies, compare to half life or crysis, typical geek!
graphic engine is graphic engine, you can implement it in a mobile OS, that is the big deal! the quality is as part to PS2 as right now. You're pathetic

"for something that cant even multitask and play >640x480 mp4 videos as of now, the 3d rendering must be 'promising' for sure."
multitasking performance is definitely there, it's just apple dont allow it yet. erm.... iPad can play 720p with no problem, but just because of screen resolution, no point saying full hd movie stuff, cuz the screen limit it. ARM cortex A9 perform alots better than you think, go to watch CES nvidia keynote, showing nvidia Targa which is also based on Cortex A9.


Added on February 2, 2010, 11:06 am
QUOTE(rushmode @ Feb 2 2010, 10:13 AM)
beg to differ.. my wife netbook (mini 110) can play world of goo no problem. off course not on highest quality but playable at least. only that 10" screen is too damn small. there's also video on youtube showing netbook running a lot of games which i myself did not try. not sure if ipad A4 proc can handle them any better than intel 950 or nvidia ion..

iPad with OSX will be awesome. at least that what i believe. you can't compare vista tablet with OSX just like that. Vista sucks and not optimized for touch screen while Snow Leopard is the opposite.
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by the hardware iPad has, load OSX will be probably pain in the ass
it mean for instant performance, instant boot up everything....



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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 10:49 AM)
Like I said, 2 main issues with the front facing camera position:
- orientation issue. as I had mentioned before try for a 90 degree orientation with your mac's camera and see if its still got you in proper sight or not
- and the camera lens can have all the protection in the world, it can have the protection that allows it to withstand a nuclear bomb, but still be useless if your finger happened to be covering it and blocking it.
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honestly i couldnt picture what you have in mind. as long as the camera work/activated only at ONE direction/orientation, it should work just fine.

that is why when you want to use it, you dont block it? why activate a camera and block the lens? o_O furthermore who on earth rotates it over and over again WHILE USING a camera.

QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 2 2010, 10:56 AM)
Hahaha a mac pro on a tablet form... Just get a mac pro for god sake hahaha
simple I have seen and play with Dell studio it is a touch screen pc and I can say given a OSX on a iPad assume they did it will not perform so is the battery life end up no one will buy why simple easy take a look at mac book air not so demanding why make another product that is same as MacBook air with touch screen hahaha erm... No thanks.. Yes I agree netbook can play with nvidia ion but have you tried I have a acer at home atom with ion hook up to my 32 LCD hmmm play game hmm no... Thanks kinda laggy. Any way for those who used to touch or iPhone they will get what I mean on game play. Moving on let's just put it here A4 chip is powerfull but only if the OS work hand in hand. Put it this way I gave you a Fererri on a buzy road you can't speed or go that fast smile.gif all I can say is it is agreat tablet but all technology device you cannot get the best on both side az it does not exist. Even it does it is too costly to afford and develop.
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i didnt say that Ion is meant for gaming. nobody expects it to play games at hd reso with nice settings. my point was netbooks are able to play opengl games better than ipad/iphone/ipod. would an ipad even launch the game CoD4? i know CoD doesnt exist on apple stuffs but you get the point.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 10:55 AM)
But tell me something anyways, exactly how practical is the full OS X on a touchscreen only device for general purpose usage? After all, the standard OS X interface does not take into consideration of the on screen keypad covering that much of the screen area too when active.

Wei did mention as well that a Touch Screen OS X is not exactly something that will be of much use on your desk or on your hands.
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Look, I did say OSX optimizations, and to elaborate further, optimizations that would be in place to take advantage to the fact that it is now touchscreen, and in tablet form. If Apple say they can do the iWork suite in touchscreen format, why cant the other suites? Logic Pro/Express is screaming for this, as well as touching up pictures on Aperture, or fixing timelines in Final Cut Pro/Express. While you're out of the office or offsite, simpler forms of manipulations of the controls on these apps can be done on the tablet, and once you get back to the office, docking it back with the Mac Pro, you can you the tablet itself as HID for the fullblown version on its big brother.

The key here is optimization, or if you wanna go one step further, a whole new UI for Mac OS X. Think of it as a layering over the underpinings of the actual OS X, just like how HTC skins the WinMo/Android devices with Sense UI. Similar horrified looks and expressions were seen when the mouse was introduced, and look where we are now. The time is ripe to move on to touch-based UI.

The current implementation of what's available to produce a semblance of a touch-based input UI is exactly as what wei says "not exactly something that will be of much use on your desk or on your hands". But with such aggresive approach and audienced receptive acceptance for the already excellent touch-based interfaces on the currently available iPhones, and iPod touches, why not take this gathered momentum and move ahead further while "the food on the plate is still warm"?

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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 2 2010, 11:02 AM)
dont be stupid or sacristies, compare to half life or crysis, typical geek!
graphic engine is graphic engine, you can implement it in a mobile OS, that is the big deal! the quality is as part to PS2 as right now. You're pathetic

"for something that cant even multitask and play >640x480 mp4 videos as of now, the 3d rendering must be 'promising' for sure."
multitasking performance is definitely there, it's just apple dont allow it yet. erm.... iPad can play 720p with no problem, but just because of screen resolution, no point saying full hd movie stuff, cuz the screen limit it. ARM cortex A9 perform alots better than you think, go to watch CES nvidia keynote, showing nvidia Targa which is also based on Cortex A9.


Added on February 2, 2010, 11:06 am

by the hardware iPad has, load OSX will be probably pain in the ass
it mean for instant performance, instant boot up everything....
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i was pointing out the fact being able to run opengl is nothing great. shitloads of games are in opengl up to 8 years ago at least and we all know how it looked like. and yea PS2 is almost a decade old as well

yea apple dont allow it. keep waiting. we are talking about A4 now, as it is, dont switch the topic. explain the 640x480 mp4 to me please? 1024x768 shares the same aspect ratio as well. why not play it at fullscreen 1024x768 if it is so powerful?

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