for people that live sleep fap with Apple logo, yes the price is just right
for realism people, they rather spend the money on highend netbooks or the upcoming HP Slate.
in this sense, iPad is like SmartforTwo, its expensive yet not delivering practical purposes. This is the impression of Apple people have so far.
1st u need to jailbreak it
2nd u need to find an authorized app which let you make calls on it

1st is likely to happen sometime later, 2nd is impossible

guys... the one reason y'all are complaining is the price.
I tell you what, why don't you complain when Apple actually sells 10 million units.

this is not a miniaturised Mac. its a tablet, not even a tablet Mac.

its a portable companion to your main computer (Mac or PC) ...

if that's unacceptable, don't buy it!

complain here, too expensive la, Apple margin too high la, its not a netbook la, I can get the same spec somewhere else la...

get a grip. Steve doesn't care about your whining. If your points are true, a year from now, the product will be discontinued, like the iPod HiFi ...

er... I'm hardly a fanboi. I only own a iPhone 3G. my own Mac is a 6 year old TiBook.
I'm just tired of the complaining without facts to back it up.

For US$ 499, trust me, millions of desktop PC & Mac users will get one. it also means people can get a iPod / iPhone experience without signing a contract, and with a 9.7 inch screen.

again, this is not a full-blown computer. Steve is trying to find out where the sweet-spot is, how much can you strip down OS X and still sell a mass-market (not fanboy) product

It's still sells no matter how much you guys are whining and complaining about it.

This device has it's potential but it hasn't open up yet.

btw, if y'all haven't realised, Steve doesn't care what people expect, or who is having a kerbau.

if the Tablet is so good, the idea so cool, explain to me why in the last 5 years, not one single company has turned a profit on this product line?

I have a running bet, I will bet RM500 against anyone else, that iPhone OS *will not* support Adobe Flash playback. Don't ask me why, go read up ... I have 4 good reasons

can we please stop comparing netbooks to iPads ... the simple fact is that Steve & co can't find a way to do a Mac netbook... but maybe the iPad is a step in that direction...

now this is something worth complaining a lot

i appreciate no flash anyway. i dont play flash games, i only use it for videos. when html5 hits mainstream then i wont be missing flash

they can give you very flowery reasons as to not include Flash support and Bluray drive, while the reality behind is plain simple, they don't welcome the tech that will compete with them (Flash), and cost them alot (BD drive)

the Apple fanboys will just believe in the flowery creed, while non-Apple users know the Apple business tricks well.

lol... imagine how would the sales from Machines explain the feature of iPad to customers, one day I should go in and ask too

I would ask "why should I buy this thing, what makes it soooo awesoome"

Apple is indeed the world's most ego-centric company

Just wondering - Would you guys buy this iPad if you don't own an iPod Touch?
I think I will still get the iPad despite all the rest grumbling about it.
Reason being - I just want a bigger screen, slim enough to walk around to read e-books. The only thing I hope, if they did not support the iBookStore, I hope I can still read ALL my PDF files just like an eBook format.
Also I don't mind not having the 3G version coz I can still sync later the contents via my Macbook.
I am not into games or videos. If I wanna play videos, I can use my Macbook.

I did grumble about the lack of Bluray in the Macs, until I asked myself, how many BluRay disks do I actually own anyways, and how many do I plan to get in the near future. Answer is that I don't own any BluRay disks (apart from PS3 games, which can't be used on the Macs anyways), and how many BluRay disks am I planning to buy in the near future? Most likely 1 at max, seeing how much it costs, and that's just for the fun of it.

On the camera, are you really gonna hold up a 9.5 by 7.5 inch piece of equipment to take photos with? If anything, a front facing camera will actually be more useful for video calls.

Well, you just hit the spot with the term here: 'portable DVD player'. There's heaps of DVD disks all over the place. But what's the average ratio of DVD / BluRay ownership anyways?

Sure, BluRay is the future, but its as per the question that I had asked, its the adoption rate high enough that most people feel the need to watch bluray on their portable computers?

I'll agree that Apple could have offered it as a Custom To Order option, and my guess that they did not is because they would prefer to cut down on the number of options available whenever they can, for purposes of simplifying the supply chain issue.

Guys, I dun own an ipod touch nor iphone (or any other apple product) before.

I wanted a tablet to read PDF and movies. Is iPad my best bet?
Or this Acer Aspire 1420P:
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&sour...er+aspire+1420p

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Added on January 30, 2010, 11:01 am
well, its as per the questions that I had asked:
- so what's the average adoption ratio worldwide anyways?
- and how many people feel the need to watch BD on their computers instead of on that big widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to some mega sound system?

At the time u holding the device, then u know how awesome is...
Right now, iPad is not better, but who knows after 2nd/ 3rd Gen its more capable to run many important task like multitask.

Ah yes, but do not forget that there's 2 parts to my question. Of those who had adopted, exactly how many of them have the need to watch it on their mobile computers rather than on that huge widescreen TV in the living room hooked up to a nice sound system?

And are OS X users really being ignored to that extent? Seriously though, what's stopping you from getting a 3rd party BD drive and hooking it up via firewire anyways?

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Added on January 30, 2010, 2:29 pm

in at least 60 days time?

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Added on January 30, 2010, 2:36 pm
Yup. External BD drives are only capable of acting as data storage/writing devices. No application in Mac OS X is able to play a BD movie. It's like Apple giving access to one and denying access to the other.

I'm not going down that road about BD adoption rate. Enough to say that at this juncture, while other companies provide BD CTOs for their higher end lineup, Apple does not, for reasons only known to them. And since they're not talking, doesn't stop people from speculating. And part of the speculation stems from protecting their own revenue from sales on iTunes vs BD playback.

because if they do, it would violate their philosophy, every piece of software developed by Apple must have perfect integration with Apple hardware, its their insistence. No official BD hardware, means no official support in the OS either. The only way to watch BD movie -- Run Windows on the iMac and connect an external BD via USB/Firewire. It sure will be laughed by Windows guys though

its not about adoption rate and costs involved, it is downright clear that they want to stay off from competition.

It might work but this product very un-Apple-ish in my opinion. The tablet was supposed to be in works for at least 7 years and Jobs has thrown out all the prototypes created over the time and this is the end result.

A lazy execution of what seems to be an enlarged iPod Touch with no revolutionary or innovative features which can't do any of its set goals properly. What happened to the magic that Apple had when they unveiled the iPhone? Has innovation run dry at Cupertino?

Let me quote from the keynote itself
"Netbooks aren't better at anything, they're just cheaper".

Do you really think its a lazy execution? instead of focusing on all the things it can't do for *you* and *I* ... who are admittedly geekier than most, perhaps Steve is trying to get our non-geek friends, who otherwise would never even consider carrying around a netbook / tablet Mac OR PC ... if they would get one, I'd count the iPad a success.

If Steve and the Apple crew find a way to build a tablet Mac, I'd be overjoyed too. I do find the keyboard a hassle to carry around, and I don't need the performance of a  2.4 GHz Mac all the time. Most of the time, I can do my computing just fine with a 2.0

Another reason you shouldn't go for iPad

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/ipad-ui...and-ipod-touch/

IMHO, the netbook is having an upgrade weeks by weeks, month by month. The processor is getting better, the graphic is getting better.

I've decided, iPad should be same as Kindle category; eBook Reader. 

It's like the iPod, which can use for web browsing, download app and gaming though it's part of Music Player category.

They DON'T do 'scale-down' Mac. They DON'T cater for the low budget group. as simple as that. Steve mentioned it some time back.

True enough... Apple is trying to cater the "missing group"...

it's been years, Intel Atom still sucks

want better option? get an IdeaPad U8.

Like I said before, slimness has its price. Apple's assuming everyone's willing to trade form factor over function.

well compare to ARM Cortax A9
atom sucks

see this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4W6lVQl3QA...player_embedded

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Added on January 31, 2010, 10:51 am

still early judge it's fail or not
but i see great potential in future

the A4 chip is based on ARM Cortex A9, it's powerful for sure
up to date, iphone OS can runs OpenGL
so, it's just problem of time for iphone OS development

Video support up to 720p

http://www.apple.com/asia/ipad/specs/

Guys, I just wanna share this with you. Before the launch of the iPad, I read 2 articles that thoroughly explain why Apple is going to adopt (which they did) iPhone OS, instead of Mac OSX.

Computers Should Be More Like Toasters

The Apple Tablet Interface Must Be Like This

and from the iPad video at, Jonathan Ive, Apple design guru, said

"In many ways this defines our vision, our sense of what's next."

They really think that this is the way forward. Let's see the adoption rate for the first year shall we.

Mac still rules whaaaat..

Can't believe the negavity of people here, we have people who would spend thousands on a device that only plays games, or on device that only plays videos / music, or even one that only plays slideshows of photos, or just to surf the web, but here we have something that does all of them, though not to perfection, and it's getting all sorts of bad comments. Anyone thinks positive anymore?

but still, we gonna get it

Agree with what you say calvin. I will also get an Ipad for my internet surfing or playing games when my imac is being occupied.

However, it is unlikely now for flash support to be implemented.

Quote" As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.
Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5."

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/31/steve-...-macs-and-more/

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What you have does not define what others has. So please don't judge others based on your own opinions. There are difference here, and everyone is free to voice theirs, but it's not for you to judge.

And I believe he was talking about crashin in Mac caused by flash, nothing to do with your pc, or you crashing. Quote: "Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it's because of Flash". And to add for that matter, in my years of using a PC, it crashes even for no apparent reason. Well, that's PC.

Systems are not built to accomodate flash or Adobe. It's Adobe's job to implement a version that will run smoothly on the various systems.

Lol. I hope Adobe is not listening here, you're practically saying Adobe is not going to be good at other things, other than Windows. 90% vs remaining are market share figures, it does not reflect how good are they in their job, being better in the Windows market doesn't mean they can't be good at others, and vice versa. It's a matter of whether they want to or not.

If you ask me is Adobe stupid enough to ignore the growing market of OSX?

- the lack of a front facing camera: I've been puzzling over this, then somebody actually made a good point on it. There's pretty much no up, down, left or right to this device. Up is whatever direction that is currently facing up as you rotate it around and so forth. Which plays hell when it comes to the mounting of a front facing camera. I guess at the end of the day, its a choice between the ability to rotate the screen and the camera (till somebody can fit a camera that autopans accordingly to the rotation)

As we can see A4 processor is quite strong and yes It can play games... Open GL games!!! you cant do that on a netbook hey wait Iphone and ipod can play open GL games too netbook cant either...

we can want all the things in the world but realistically.. if iPad have a OSX software what next we can say is it is another tablet PC like Vista!!! yuck!!! have U tried Vista on a Tablet PC!!!..... hmmm.... I hate that!!!

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Added on February 2, 2010, 10:38 am
you must not know apple. do you know how long it take for them to implement "non core function that is nice to have and every other competitor have" (eg fm radio on ipod; sd card reader on notebooks; etc etc) on their device?

front facing camera will come in future version if the demand is there. right now, vid conferencing imho is very very seldom used.

lol, basically you want a mac pro in a tablet?

Like I said, 2 main issues with the front facing camera position:
- orientation issue. as I had mentioned before try for a 90 degree orientation with your mac's camera and see if its still got you in proper sight or not
- and the camera lens can have all the protection in the world, it can have the protection that allows it to withstand a nuclear bomb, but still be useless if your finger happened to be covering it and blocking it.

Hahaha a mac pro on a tablet form... Just get a mac pro for god sake hahaha
simple I have seen and play with Dell studio it is a touch screen pc and I can say given a OSX on a iPad assume they did it will not perform so is the battery life end up no one will buy why simple easy take a look at mac book air not so demanding why make another product that is same as MacBook air with touch screen hahaha erm... No thanks.. Yes I agree netbook can play with nvidia ion but have you tried I have a acer at home atom with ion hook up to my 32 LCD hmmm play game hmm no... Thanks kinda laggy. Any way for those who used to touch or iPhone they will get what I mean on game play. Moving on let's just put it here A4 chip is powerfull but only if the OS work hand in hand. Put it this way I gave you a Fererri on a buzy road you can't speed or go that fast all I can say is it is agreat tablet but all technology device you cannot get the best on both side az it does not exist. Even it does it is too costly to afford and develop.

dont be stupid or sacristies, compare to half life or crysis, typical geek!
graphic engine is graphic engine, you can implement it in a mobile OS, that is the big deal! the quality is as part to PS2 as right now. You're pathetic

"for something that cant even multitask and play >640x480 mp4 videos as of now, the 3d rendering must be 'promising' for sure."
multitasking performance is definitely there, it's just apple dont allow it yet. erm.... iPad can play 720p with no problem, but just because of screen resolution, no point saying full hd movie stuff, cuz the screen limit it. ARM cortex A9 perform alots better than you think, go to watch CES nvidia keynote, showing nvidia Targa which is also based on Cortex A9.

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Added on February 2, 2010, 11:06 am

by the hardware iPad has, load OSX will be probably pain in the ass
it mean for instant performance, instant boot up everything....