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podrunner
post Mar 26 2012, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Mar 26 2012, 07:28 PM)
Yes sir. But I look forward to the case commentary assignment more smile.gif
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Eager Beaver!! Just kidding. That's not due till third week of May, right?
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post Mar 26 2012, 09:31 PM

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just wondering....how much does the timetables parallel each other....the two monash sites?.....
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post Mar 26 2012, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 26 2012, 09:31 PM)
just wondering....how much does the timetables parallel each other....the two monash sites?.....
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If I understand the manual correctly, it's almost the same.
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post Mar 28 2012, 07:22 PM

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Just wondering.. I just went for an interview in NUMed for medicine course. They said they will inform me the results . Is that a method of rejection or do I really have to wait for them to inform me the results of the interview?
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post Mar 28 2012, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(DeanKueh @ Mar 28 2012, 07:22 PM)
Just wondering.. I just went for an interview in NUMed for medicine course. They said they will inform me the results . Is that a method of rejection or do I really have to wait for them to inform me the results of the interview?
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I think they'll formally inform you if you got the offer or not.
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post Mar 28 2012, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(DeanKueh @ Mar 28 2012, 07:22 PM)
Just wondering.. I just went for an interview in NUMed for medicine course. They said they will inform me the results . Is that a method of rejection or do I really have to wait for them to inform me the results of the interview?
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Why must you try to double guess them?.....if they tell you they will let you know, they will let you know lah....

you will NEVER get an offer on the spot after an interview.....if you do, the interview is a scam, and of no relevance to the selection process.....
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post Mar 28 2012, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 28 2012, 08:08 PM)
Why must you try to double guess them?.....if they tell you they will let you know, they will let you know lah....

you will NEVER get an offer on the spot after an interview.....if you do, the interview is a scam, and of no relevance to the selection process.....
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Melaka Manipal will give you offer letter on the spot. Just type in name and print only.
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post Mar 28 2012, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 28 2012, 08:08 PM)
Why must you try to double guess them?.....if they tell you they will let you know, they will let you know lah....

you will NEVER get an offer on the spot after an interview.....if you do, the interview is a scam, and of no relevance to the selection process.....
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UCSI gave me my offer on the spot.. the offer letter need to wait for 2-3 weeks though..
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post Mar 28 2012, 09:32 PM

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hi guys

whats a CT TAP?
CT scan with what?
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post Mar 28 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Mar 28 2012, 09:32 PM)
hi guys

whats a CT TAP?
CT scan with what?
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I am hoping you're a lay person, and not a medical student.
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QUOTE(podrunner @ Mar 28 2012, 09:38 PM)
I am hoping you're a lay person, and not a medical student.
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spot on
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post Mar 28 2012, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 28 2012, 08:25 PM)
Melaka Manipal will give you offer letter on the spot. Just type in name and print only.
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Wrong spelling bro, it's Melaka "Moneypal". Thus they will give you offer letter on the spot as long as you have the ability to pay (and of course, have the min requirement which is rather easy) whistling.gif

Btw, does anyone here think that we should have a common licensing exam?

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Mar 28 2012, 09:42 PM)
spot on
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Guess you will need to look up, or wait for a medical professional to ans wer this.
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post Mar 28 2012, 10:08 PM

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CT TAP = CT scan of the thorax, abdomen and pelvis


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QUOTE(podrunner @ Mar 28 2012, 09:57 PM)
Guess you will need to look up, or wait for a medical professional to ans wer this.
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no need to be cynical
some people are just health conscious
if they dont study medicine, doesnt mean they dont deserve to know or learn

I guess some lesson about life you just cant get by book reading.

QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 28 2012, 10:08 PM)
CT TAP = CT scan of the thorax, abdomen and pelvis
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thanks smile.gif
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post Mar 28 2012, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 28 2012, 08:25 PM)
Melaka Manipal will give you offer letter on the spot. Just type in name and print only.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 28 2012, 09:18 PM)
UCSI gave me my offer on the spot.. the offer letter need to wait for 2-3 weeks though..
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in these situation, the interview is NOT part of the selection process, but maybe to ascertain ability to pay, and make an offer, the decisions to offer is obviously made before hand, subject to confirmation of financial standing.

in REAL interviews, which is used in the selection process, it is semi structured, standardised, uniform for all, and graded. it will contribute to a overall marking system, which includes one or more of other components like results of tests (isat/umat/ukcat/bmat/etc), personal statements, references from existing teacher/tutor, pre-u results.......if they do NOT use interviews for selection (eg utas) they will NOT conduct it....

as can be obviously seen, offers CANNOT be made at the end of the interview, if it really is used to determine selection......as final selection can only be made when all information from all applicants are available....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 28 2012, 10:34 PM)
in these situation, the interview is NOT part of the selection process, but maybe to ascertain ability to pay, and make an offer, the decisions to offer is obviously made before hand, subject to confirmation of financial standing.

in REAL interviews, which is used in the selection process, it is semi structured, standardised, uniform for all, and graded. it will contribute to a overall marking system, which includes one or more of other components like results of tests (isat/umat/ukcat/bmat/etc), personal statements, references from existing teacher/tutor, pre-u results.......if they do NOT use interviews for selection (eg utas) they will NOT conduct it....

as can be obviously seen, offers CANNOT be made at the end of the interview, if it really is used to determine selection......as final selection can only be made when all information from all applicants are available....
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Manipal do hv a written test followed by an interview by 2 or 3 persons. In that case, Monash n IMU also do not meet that criteria. All three made offers without any written grading. Isat is not really relevant in the local context. Going forward, most would prefer to lock in their students, if possible.
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With the amount of med schools in Malaysia, quality of medical education is deteriorating fast due to lack of quality lecturers as well as quality students. I was shocked to hear a HO informing me that a patient's GCS was zero (and this HO is from a local gov med school).

Thus, i strongly suggest a common licencing exam to weed out all the incompetent medical graduates, in order to maintain the quality of our healthcare. In addition, it will also eliminate biases towards medical graduates from certain schools / countries.
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a common qualifying exam would be politically unacceptable, and indeed, the proposal by mmc (which excludes local graduates from the exam, both ipta and ipts) was turned down by the cabinet..........

objections will arise from both sides....those from good unis do not want an additional barrier and do not see why they need to be tested.....those from bad unis also do not want, as maybe many will fail the exam....

and it will NOT address the problem of bad students locally, both public and private....

there are many other issues.....who will conduct the exam?.....are there enough resources?.....will it include clinicals? (no way moh will cope with clinicals for 3-4K a year)....how objective is the exam?......will it be abused like the clp exams?.....

not going to happen.....

there is an old saying.....prevention is better than cure.....

that is very much the case for this issue....unfortunately, we are not even at cure.....it's palliation at the moment...
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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 28 2012, 11:19 PM)
With the amount of med schools in Malaysia, quality of medical education is deteriorating fast due to lack of quality lecturers as well as quality students. I was shocked to hear a HO informing me that a patient's GCS was zero (and this HO is from a local gov med school).

Thus, i strongly suggest a common licencing exam to weed out all the incompetent medical graduates, in order to maintain the quality of our healthcare. In addition, it will also eliminate biases towards medical graduates from certain schools / countries.
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A common licensing exam is great and all, but how transparent/efficient do you think MOH/MMC can carry this out?

And then of course there is the issue of government scholarship/PTPTN recipients (public medical school graduates for that matter too) failing the licensing exam. How do you plan to recoup the public funds splashed on them - arbitrarily if a medical student costs society 200K to educate and the licensing exam has a pass rate of 90% (the USMLE has roughly that amount of passes for US medical graduates) and assuming there are 4000 publicly funded medical students each year - that's 400 x 200K= 80 million ringgit each year down the drain

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