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post Jan 3 2010, 06:08 PM

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Hello all, stumbled into this forum from a google link. Am actually enquiring on behalf of my son who's doing his SPM this year, and is currently keen on pursuing medicine.

1) We are considering Russia, as the fees are more affordable. Which of the russian universities are more reputable? I understand none of the russian medical degrees are recognised by SMC currently.

2) How difficult is it to apply to NUS medical program? Apart from A levels (which I am assuming he will have to ace through), what other pre-requisites are there?

Thank you in advance.
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post Jan 3 2010, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 3 2010, 08:47 PM)
AFAIK, Singapore thinks A Level standard is not good enough. That is why they have the tougher Singapore Cambridge A Level
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My son's school offers the UK Cambridge A Levels...is this the same or different than Singapore's? I would have thought the Cambridge A levels are all uniform.
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post Jan 3 2010, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 3 2010, 10:43 PM)
the singapore a-levels papers are different from the CIE ones that msia colleges present candidates for........

it is commonly believed that the spore a-levels is more difficult than CIE..........might be the case, but nobody knows for sure, i think they should be equivalent.........

i would caution about doing medicine in russia........it is just too un-natural a pathway......(it's like msia conducting medicine in spanish, so we can earn money from desperate students wanting to study medicine from the argentina and chile etc)..........
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thank you for the information...will try and find out more as well. Re Russian unis...I see your point...if SMC does not even recognise one, then it's rather dodgy.
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post Mar 15 2010, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Jan 26 2010, 07:18 PM)
Most of the group of 8 in Aus are changing to graduate entry. Think UWA will be doing that soon (well, we heard news of that happening next year but not sure yet).

In Aus, you'll needa go through GAMSAT, an interview, and you'll need to ace your first degree. =) I'm not sure but people tell me that it's harder to get in the MBBS program using graduate entry compared to direct entry, unless of course the uni doesn't provide a direct entry (from year 12/Alvl etc).

I remembered them telling me that a lot of students who opted to go into medicine after their year 12, gave up or just can't follow up with the course. So, the uni is changing towards graduate entry medicine because they feel that graduates are more mature and they know what they want in life.
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Need a ballpark figure...how much does it cost to do medicine in Australia currently? Our budget is a very tight RM800K. I understand for some universities, the fees are higher in the last couple of years, correct me if I am wrong. Would appreciate any feedback, thanks in advance.


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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 26 2010, 09:04 PM)
these have relatively small intakes, less than 100 per uni, except for aimst, with 200/year.....the REAL numbers comes (and will continue to come) from russia and ukraine........about 1000+/year for the next few years.......with current intake, that will continue for the foreseeable future, unless msia stop recognition...........

there is absolutely NO control over who and how many become doctors in msia at the moment.........it is a free for all........
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So basically, throw one stone, and hit a few docs? Gosh, that's a dismal scenario!!

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post May 12 2010, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Apr 7 2010, 06:21 PM)
Think the cheapest would be in UTAS
5 years, and 40k per year in 2011, so making it 200k$x3=RM600k in tuition fee
Adding living cost of 10k$ per year, making it 5x10k$x3=RM150k. So you can make it with around RM750k.

Other G8 offering med are charging you about 42-44k per year for 6 years. So yeah, that's what most of the international students here will tell you: it's cheaper than other unis in Aus. Quality wise i'm not complaining. I'm enjoying the course and the lecturers are very motivated in their fields.
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post Feb 12 2011, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 12 2011, 05:26 PM)
This teacher is talking about "best medical education in the world". She is comparing it to Harvard and Oxford and Melbourne etc and not our own newer private universities. I still stand by my feeling this teacher is probably an idiot or a frog in a world who have never seen the real world.
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LOL! Optiplex, we seem to be reading the same threads..haha.
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post Feb 17 2011, 05:06 PM

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post Mar 12 2011, 10:00 PM

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Pretty soon, with the way things are going now, malaysian medical graduates will be treated with suspicion, first and foremost. It's scary, sad and depressing.

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post Mar 15 2011, 03:59 PM

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The comment by Datuk Dr Abdul Hamid Abdul Kadir made me spill my coffee this morning! How much of an idiot can one be?

Tuesday March 15, 2011 Docs: Local med students must sit for licensing exam, too

So, essentially, a local medical grad from say AMIST MBBS (oops!) need not sit for the licencing exam, BUT a grad from say Uni of Melbourne MD will need to sit for said exam! It begs the question, what is this idiot doing, and where the hell has he been of late? I guess he has one of those DENIAL seats too, cos tackling the real issues at hand is just too much work, and yes too much politics. Preposterous!
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post Mar 15 2011, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 15 2011, 04:25 PM)
like i said many times, this is a political decision, and have little to do with maintaining standards......

if it is really about standards, the selection policy into ipta will need to be examined as well, and many ipta and ipts will need major revamp of their selection, training and assessment process..........
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*needs to review insurance health and hospitalisation policy* sigh!
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post Mar 20 2011, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Mar 20 2011, 06:46 PM)
hey quick question to all
what is the normal blood pressure for boys age 3 years old?
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Is this for a paper or for real? If the latter, if you suspect the 3 year old is unwell, please bring him for a consult. Time is of the essence, where kids are concerned, especially one that young.
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post Mar 21 2011, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ Mar 21 2011, 01:28 PM)
According to WHO guideline....If one diagnosed as hypertension, the blood pressure should be more than or equal to 140/90 regardless of age....one is considered hypotension if the blood pressure is less than 90/60
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My 2 sens, I think it's rather dangerous to just put this out there, despite WHO guidelines. The 3 year old should be brought in for an actual physical consult with a paediatrician, or at least a GP if BP levels are suspicious! FYI, I am not from the medical fraternity, but in this case, common sense applies. It's almost like trying to self-diagnose on the internet.
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post Aug 28 2011, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 28 2011, 12:21 PM)
what qualifications did you get in with?......

if it is less than aaa at stpm/a levels and atar97, you will NOT have gained entry into a medical programme in uk/oz (or even ipta actually).........in fact many with better results fail to secure places, when they do badly in the umat/isat/ukcat/bmed exams and interviews.....

this simple fact will benchmark you compared to your peers in good med schools.....
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QUOTE(fastimes @ Aug 28 2011, 06:25 PM)
Lol, what do you expect. I for one think it would be fill with minority if not because of the policy. It's politic. Btw, limeuu do you work in Singapore or Malaysia? (private??)


Added on August 28, 2011, 6:28 pmAh thanks limeuu, I already packing up all my stuff but I'm left with buying stationary as I did not know how many paper and note-taking needed to write all those stuff.How do you guys take note in lecture? Write everything on the slide? but I might left something out as I'm a slow writer....

Maybe 10 testpad would do biggrin.gif
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just a thought, but maybe you can record the lectures? invest in a dictaphone or something?

Am sure you can get stationery near your college, and it's not like you're never leaving college grounds for weeks on end. Good luck, and all the best.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 28 2011, 09:37 PM)
the uitm programme is new, so it remains to be seen about the quality......however, based on the very nature of the place, and the type of students that usually ends up in uitm, i think all the issues about sub-optimal student selection and b and c grade students will apply........
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Nothing like getting a dose or two of reality from limeuu!

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QUOTE(mintychoc @ Aug 28 2011, 10:27 PM)
The amount of stationary you need for first year depends on how much notetaking you do. I generally prefer writing on lecture slides while I know friends who write their own notes/transfer information from slides to paper.

For me, 4 years down, I am still using the very same testpad I bought in year 1. No need to mention the untouched box of Pilot G2 pen refills.

I totally agree with the Australian situation. It is ridiculous that someone who devoted 5/6 years in a foreign country for a medical degree is not even left with the option of getting recognised in the country after he/she graduates. Only way one can 'convert' to PR status while studying is if you get in and marry an Australian ASAP. LOL.
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@ limeuu, what's your take on this brewing australian problem? Would you discourage students from going to Australia from now on? Let's not go the "marry an aussie" route. What about the current situation in the UK now, on internship/housemanship after graduation?
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post Aug 28 2011, 11:29 PM

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thanks limeuu for your input. Your contribution to this forum is valued, and most appreciated.
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post Aug 30 2011, 09:54 AM

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This thread is pretty active of late! Academics and passion aside, one's attitude and character also determines how well the medical student will turn out. In the first year of any course, particularly in medicine, there will be a number of annoying upstarts with chips on their shoulders to boot. Some get humbled along the way, some never get it, unfortunately.
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QUOTE(reconnaissance @ Aug 30 2011, 05:37 PM)
Pre-med is any studies before medicine. Only in US, pre-med is courses, or requisite. The pre-med I'm refering to is not that one, it's the 'pre-independence''s 'pre-marital''s 'pre-school''s pre, then medicine. The any studies before medicine. I did mention this.
And intercalation does equal to an extension of the total study time. I'm confused about the pre-clinical period in the first place is because I've counted in the intercalation of BSc, hence extending by an extra year. Intercalation of degrees mean taking degrees of different faculty, such as BSc, or of different level, such as PhD of medicine, in between a year of study, either in the pre-clinical or clinical stage.
I'm very very thorough in my research, so I'm not possibly wrong in this, at least not this time.
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I am a bit confused. Based on your explanation, A levels would also be considered "pre-med" then, as some do go on to do Medicine in Uni, although A levels are generally considered "pre-uni".
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 30 2011, 10:05 PM)
okay point taken.....you are not talking about facts, but my style of communication.....

i get tough when people who have wrong information dispense them as facts in this forum...it is dangerous, misleading......if they are not sure, say so accordingly, and i usually let that pass....someone with the correct answers will usually set the record right.....

see the context in my tone of language, before passing judgement.....
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A relative who is an academician once commented that teachers now have to tip toe around students, for fear of incurring the wrath of their parents, that students these days can do no wrong. They are spoon fed from primary school, and apparently to promote self-esteem, they must not be reprimanded nor criticised either. So criticism is considered an affront to their intelligence.


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