Not allowed to see patients?? You sure about this? Indian national lecturers in my college are seeing and touching the patients daily. Heck, they even conduct ward rounds with the housemen in Melaka GH.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 12 2009, 06:00 PM

Read my post properly, i said "conduct ward rounds with the housemen". If you are not allow to treat, how can you conduct ward round with housemen writing down whatever you said in the case note?

BTW, most foreign lecturers teaching clinical subjects should have registration with the MMC. It doesn't make sense for a non-practicing doctor to teach at bedside, does it?

Soon, gov hospital will be packed with housemen, with some MOs and few specialists. I foresee the health care system to collapse in the near future.

Huh?? What did i flame you for?? i thought the last time i flamed you was for your statement that a doc with unrecognised basic degree but with recognised post grad diploma/degree eg mrcp isn't registrable with SMC.

thx for your concern

housemanship is good, but damn tiring. will be finishing soon

BTW, is anyone taking MRCP part 2 written this year? any advice?

So just to be clear, are you doubting on the competency of the graduates from the said schools?

If you check the IMED web site, MMMC's degree is actually listed as a Malaysian degree, not an Indian degree.

So pls get your facts right before posting. thx.

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Well, there is currently one such college which is recognised by the MMC, which is MMMC. So judging from your comment: "strangely, while not recognised in india, they are recognised in other countries......like msia.", you are clearing talking about MMMC.

If you can, pls list one more institute offering twinning with India and is recognized by MMC.

Well, both MSU and Masterskill are yet to be recognized by the MMC. So MMMC is the only institution offering twinning programme with India which is currently recognized by the MMC. So your previous statement actually points to MMMC.

BTW, as i have mentioned before, MMMC is a distinct degree of its own, much like St George and Imperial College both under London University.

Anyway, that transient de-recognition of KMC manipal and Manglore was due to the excessive foreigners studying in the MBBS programme, which far exceeded the quota set for foreigners by the Federal Gov of India. But again, there was a mistake as they had also included the MMMC students into the quota (again, MMMC is a distinct institution, not part of KMC). It had nothing to do with the quality of teaching nor the graduates (KMC Manipal is consistently ranked top 10 among Indian med schools, 6th in the year 2010 as per India Today's ranking)

Btw, i am not sensitive, just trying to get the facts right

Not many i guess. Most of my non-bumi colleagues from IPTA did matriks before gaining entry to med schools

Funny, this is the first time i find myself agreeable with limeuu

Wrong spelling bro, it's Melaka "Moneypal". Thus they will give you offer letter on the spot as long as you have the ability to pay (and of course, have the min requirement which is rather easy)

Btw, does anyone here think that we should have a common licensing exam?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Mar 28 2012, 09:52 PM

CT TAP = CT scan of the thorax, abdomen and pelvis

With the amount of med schools in Malaysia, quality of medical education is deteriorating fast due to lack of quality lecturers as well as quality students. I was shocked to hear a HO informing me that a patient's GCS was zero (and this HO is from a local gov med school).

Thus, i strongly suggest a common licencing exam to weed out all the incompetent medical graduates, in order to maintain the quality of our healthcare. In addition, it will also eliminate biases towards medical graduates from certain schools / countries.

When i said common licensing exam, i meant COMMON for all, both local and foreign graduates. Thus, it will address the problem of bad students locally.

And i dun see why anyone should object this (besides those with political agenda). After all, many developed countries (US, Canada, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan) have a common medical board exam, which all medical graduates are required to pass in order to practice in the respective countries, regardless of where they graduated from.

I suggest MMC to form a medical exam board, consisting of senior professors from all local universities or abroad (guest examiners) and senior clinicians from both gov and private hospital. Also, we can divide the exam into few parts, like USMLE, thus limiting the number of applicants for the clinical exam (since some of them will fail in the theory part).

I guess we have no other viable choices besides a common licensing exam, since it is very difficult to de-recognize a degree, and also equally difficult to maintain strict intake requirement among local medical schools (as both will require even greater political effort and will).

Of course, what i am saying here might sound like fairy tale, given the political situation in Msia. However, as long as we medical professionals have a common understanding, i am sure we can do something about it, hopefully.


In other countries, scholarship recipients are almost always the creme de la creme. However, the same can't be applied in Msian context. I am sure you know whom should we blame, and what should we do in the next GE.

P.S I am just sharing my humble dua cents here. You are free to disagree with me but pls avoid inflammatory remarks. Thx

This post has been edited by hypermax: Mar 29 2012, 03:57 PM

Hi, thank you for your reply. I guess you are not fully aware of the situation in Msia. Thus allow me to explain further:

1. It is a well established fact that majority of the medical graduates from a certain Eastern European country are incompetent. Yet MMC has done absolutely nothing about it, as it is politically incorrect to de-recognize a medical degree. Just look at what happened when Ukraine was de-recognized.

2. There are already 30+ medical schools in Msia, and more are still popping up despite the moratorium. Thus, it is safe to assume that no one is Msia has the political will or might to put a halt to this.

3. Even in local gov med schools, intake requirement can be lax due to racial / political factor. There's even a uni which admits student based purely on ethnicity instead of meritocracy.

4. Scholarship is given out, again, based largely on ethnicity instead of meritocracy.

Thus based on the points mentioned above, it is safe to assume that we are already "churning out dodgy medical graduates at the expense of taxpayers". Hence the question, do you want these "dodgy medical graduates" to be employed in our medical system? What if one day one of them were to attend to you or your love ones?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Mar 29 2012, 08:51 PM

Are you aware of the fact that almost all private medical schools have the backing of political parties? Do you know how many Tan Sri and Datuk Seri would come after you if you were to shut off their goldmines?

How about those foreign universities? We can't kill them off and definitely we can't de-recognize them for reasons stated in my previous post.

Let's be more realistic. A common licensing exam is indeed a more practical way to address the problem we are facing right now.

Btw, licensing exam for those already in the system will be next to impossible as it requires even greater political might than to kill off those colleges (you dun expect our DG, consultants, profs to take the licensing exam as well, do you?). However, i do support this idea (for HOs or junior MOs), as many of them are not that competent anyway.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Mar 29 2012, 09:54 PM

When you mentioned those "already" in the system, i thought you meant MOs, specialists and consultants as well.

Anyway, the healthcare of this country is really screwed up, and the future is not bright for us medical professionals. Perhaps time to change profession

Just to share a story. A MO graduated from indon u prescribed diclofenac for patient with chief complaint of epigastric pain o_O

She is more senior to me btw.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Mar 31 2012, 02:19 PM

There are more horror stories i have encountered throughout my 2 years plus of service. That's the reason why i am all for a common licensing exam.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Mar 31 2012, 02:32 PM