If you really have nothing to do and you don't feel like lazing around, I suggest you pick this book up: "The wisdom of the body" by Sherwin Nuland - a really interesting read about how the body functions (anatomy and physiology) without over-complicating things for the uninitiated.

this would be VERY VERY DISASTROUS for international students that are graduating in year 2015 and 2016, OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG...........

Limmeu, any thoughts on University Of East Anglia, UK? Not in SMC's list yet, at the moment

may not be so bad lah......

only 5 out of 65 places for international students in 2012.......uwa does NOT have a large international student intake, unlike some others like uq and unsw.......

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Added on September 18, 2011, 8:44 pmuea is a new med school (ie 3rd gen) based in the town of norwich.........it adopts a full integrated approach, therefore there is clinics from year 1........

the down side, besides lack of recognition, is that the fees is the same throughout the 5 years, and thus works out significantly more expensive than some traditional programme ones.........

as for smc, they have their own mind, and policies, and often that is not related to the quality of the medical programme......eg, there was a point in the past when smc only recognised 2 aussie med schools, melbourne and sydney..........and 5 uk ones, oxbridge, edinburgh, glasgow, and the london schools....... and that wasn't too long ago.....actually 2003!

smc has NOT so far recognised any of the 3rd gen uk med schools, or any of the new aussie ones either (with the notable exception of anu).....so whether they will or not, well......if the possibility to work in spore is important, avoid the new generation med schools.....

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Thank you! I think the possibility to work in Spore is important, considering the super "medicine" tsunami that's happening now, and looks set to continue for the next couple of years. It's always better to have more options than less, in general. So in the UK, there's the Russell Group, and the 1994 group.

if one starts today, it will be 2019 or 2020 before one is ready to consider moving to work in spore.....and it is possible they may again delete some med schools from recognition....

the reason for the relaxation in 2003 was a shortage of junior and intermediate rank doctors......this shortage is likely to be addressed when the ntu/imperial medical school starts producing graduates around that time.......

Hi... May I know if anyone has faced problems with MMC approval for their Pre-U qualification to enter MBBS before? Because I've waited for almost a month and they have yet to reply.

My other friends who have the same Pre-U as me have already started class for MBBS already. Will there be any problem for me? Should I continue to wait or change uni instead?

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@Limeuu, is there a chance for oz grad to apply for internships in the UK? You're the go-to man here....

short answer is yes....but unlikely....

oz grads are international medical graduates (img), same as from msia, india etc...

you will need to sit for plab, and they assume you have completed housemanship.......

if you pass, and you have not done housemanship, it is possible to get a fy1 job, but the chance is quite small......i think everyone who sits for the plab will have done their housemanship in their respective countries already....

it makes no sense to complete medical studies in oz, and go to uk for housemanship....might as well go direct to uk.....cheaper.....and easier to enter.....

if you are consider this as a hedge against the possibility of not getting an internship place in oz, i would think it is a dangerous thing to rely on......

Just exploring all possibilities and non-possibilities. Just read the very detailed gmc website. Thanks again!

isit possible for aussie grads (ie PGY3) to locum / to part time in the UK?

having a recognised postgrad exempts you from plab......and there are many australian doctors on work/holidays in uk.........a relative who is an oz trained radiologist now working part time for a australian radiology reporting company based in uk.........they do emergency reporting for aussie hospitals after hours, when it is office hours in uk........

aussie grades used to be fully registrable in uk, as is the reciprocal arrangement.......some years ago, oz de-recognised uk degrees, and uk did the same, thus requiring oz grades to do plab.......

relations have warmed up again lately, and oz now recognises uk degrees under the competent authority pathway....and gmc is supposed to do the same for oz degrees......but i have not been able to find any more information about how this will work......

Question on IMU - someone commented in one of the threads that IMU's teaching is trending towards e-learning, and that contact hours have decreased. Is this happening only for certain courses or across the board? A family friend is contemplating sending her daughter (UEC this year) for MBBS.

Yeah u only have like 2 hours lecture per day. The rest is self study or pbl sessions.

'e-learning' is not the right word for this....

most modern unis, and newer medical education systems have moved from the lecture based didactic style to a more interactive tutorial system, with guided but self/group directed problem based learning......

this applies to all courses, not just medicine......eg, in most aussie unis, contact hours is average 4-5 per subject, so students taking the usual 4 subjects per semester will have an average total contact hours of 16-20/week.....half of this will be tutorials.....some squeeze this into 3 days, and the other 4 days a week they are free!.....

msian students used to the usual didactic education system always complains about 'poor' teaching in these places....'in spite of paying so much money'.....they expect to be spoon fed......

Thanks, will pass info along

Since I am still gathering information, I took a look at North American graduate entry programs. I was trying to see if internships are given to grads (like the 2 years in UK), but could not find the information. Course fee calculation further complicated by "differential fees" for international students. Was trying to work out the total cost differential between oz and canadian programs. Anyone familiar with the North American program?

matched students from imu-pms to canada are NOT allowed to continue to complete internship in canada itself.....but with usmle step 2, they can do so in the us......

Totally agree with it , malaysian are used to spoon fed, which is one of the failures in education. and due to that, we r not motivated and discipline enough to further advance our studies on our own paced.

We were actually moving away from spoon feeding in the earlier years until it was halted sometime back as the quality of the undergraduates become so bad that not only you have to spoon fed them but to let some of them have the answers before the exams and to be credited with bonus marks!

I thought IMU and UCSI have 2 hours of lecture everyday since quite a while ago? For me, I'll say this is bad. Cos they will just compress everything into a 100+ slide ppt and present it in 1 hour. In the end we have to read books and we just take in everything for granted. I'm having 30-40 contact hours here, just because we have heaps of lectures, and they are well structured and they will tell you what are actually relevant in your medical career. Of course they will throw in some fun facts as well which is really interesting. We have clinical lectures as well, fully focusing on clinical side of things instead of the theory side of things. I'm not sure whether they have such system in msia or not, but dun think it was the case for me back when I was studying med in msia. I'll say the move to self directed learning is good, and I agree that most of the students are used to spoon feeding. But the uni should structure lectures properly as well.

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