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post Sep 16 2011, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 16 2011, 12:42 AM)
So based on previous comments, utas is 41k, uws is next at 43k, and then a huge gap to 59k or sth for monash and then 60k for unsw? OMG!! I say stick to utas since recognised by smc too! What about Uni of Adelaide?
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so how's son's application gojng?.....

or, if i connect the dots correctly, he is also a forumer here?..... biggrin.gif

cheapest is newcastle at 38k/year......... smile.gif

adelaide is 52k.......X6

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post Sep 16 2011, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 16 2011, 11:28 AM)
so how's son's application gojng?.....

or, if i connect the dots correctly, he is also a forumer here?..... biggrin.gif

cheapest is newcastle at 38k/year......... smile.gif
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Haha..son is still insisting on doing mbbs sad.gif
So he's applying everywhere. He checks in here on and off after I told him to read a certain forumer's comments wink.gif

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post Sep 17 2011, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 16 2011, 11:28 AM)
so how's son's application gojng?.....

or, if i connect the dots correctly, he is also a forumer here?..... biggrin.gif

cheapest is newcastle at 38k/year......... smile.gif

adelaide is 52k.......X6
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Didn't know the numbers are so high already. I always thought that they are still in the 4x zone. 60k/year in UNSW??? that's just insane.


QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 16 2011, 02:53 PM)
Haha..son is still insisting on doing mbbs  sad.gif
So he's applying everywhere. He checks in here on and off after I told him to read a certain forumer's comments wink.gif
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All the best!


btw, you can try JCU if you want. Seems like a decent uni too, more emphasis on tropical diseases compared to other unis.
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Sep 17 2011, 08:57 AM)
Didn't know the numbers are so high already. I always thought that they are still in the 4x zone. 60k/year in UNSW??? that's just insane.
it is also 60k/year for melbourne for 4 years, after 3 years of b.biomed at 30k/year......... biggrin.gif

in spite of such crazy fees, there appears to be no shortage of applicants......although i understand melbourne has seen a drastic drop in international interest with their 'melbourne model'.....

you can do the same in uk for HALF this total fees........ biggrin.gif

btw, is your utas fees locked for the 5 years?
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"melbourne model" - snobbery much? Same goes for ANU, UWA, Usyd though. Yes UK is looking more attractive now.
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post Sep 17 2011, 03:17 PM

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so UK approx how much ? all in 1mil?
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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Sep 17 2011, 03:17 PM)
so UK approx how much ? all in 1mil?
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Apparently RM600 to RM800K depending on place.
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post Sep 17 2011, 03:33 PM

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uk is cheap at the moment.....

fees about 80k-120k pounds.......

add 30-50k for expenses.......
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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Sep 17 2011, 03:17 PM)
so UK approx how much ? all in 1mil?
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Assuming exchange rate hovers at around RM5 to GBP1, RM1million is doable for 5 years MBBS, if outside London. Otherwise, add about RM200k. Am assuming accomodation in catered halls for first year, and rough estimates for accommodation henceforth, and other living expenses.

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Seriously RM1 million? I always though its only around RM600k plus everything for the 5 years. No wonder most depend on government scholarship.
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QUOTE(fastimes @ Sep 17 2011, 05:06 PM)
Seriously RM1 million? I always though its only around RM600k plus everything for the 5 years. No wonder most depend on government scholarship.
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Speaking of government scholarships, does anyone have any idea about the number of privately-sponsored students at Perdana, if any?
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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 17 2011, 04:00 PM)
Assuming exchange rate hovers at around RM5 to GBP1, RM1million is doable for 5 years MBBS, if outside London. Otherwise, add about RM200k. Am assuming accomodation in catered halls for first year, and rough estimates for accommodation henceforth, and other living expenses.
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if you choose the right uni, it can be done for just a bit over 100k pounds......or rm1/2 million at current favourable enchange rates........some med schools fees are quite cheap.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 17 2011, 08:00 PM)
if you choose the right uni, it can be done for just a bit over 100k pounds......or rm1/2 million at current favourable enchange rates........some med schools fees are quite cheap.... smile.gif
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That's just fees though, for eg. Uni of Liverpool £20.5k per annum (not fixed).

Quick question - if one graduates from monash clayton, qualification will be MBBS (Monash) ; and if one graduates from monash malaysia, how will the qualification read? Different or exactly the same? tongue.gif



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uk pre clinical fees are cheaper, usually about 2/3 of clinical......

the certificates are the same.....but the transcripts will obvious state which campus......and where a differentiation is made (eg, smc, gmc) they WILL ask for transcript.........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 17 2011, 10:15 AM)
it is also 60k/year for melbourne for 4 years, after 3 years of b.biomed at 30k/year......... biggrin.gif

in spite of such crazy fees, there appears to be no shortage of applicants......although i understand melbourne has seen a drastic drop in international interest with their 'melbourne model'.....

you can do the same in uk for HALF this total fees........ biggrin.gif

btw, is your utas fees locked for the 5 years?
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yup, it's locked for 5 years. (thank God) my seniors in year 3 are paying a lot less than I am now, think it's around 37-35k/year. The fees skyrocketed over the past few years, esp for health care related courses.

UK fees are definitely cheaper currently compared to aus now that the currency ain't that high anymore. (I recalled a point where it was 7x of MYR, scary.) But living cost in UK is rather high, isn't it? Esp if you live in metropolitan areas like London.

I've just went to look at UWA's website. seems like they are following melb model as well. not too sure whether it's implemented in 2012 or 2013. (seems like 2012) Fees for med is 54K in 2011. A year of med fees in UWA = a complete engineering degree fees in UTAS. intriguing.
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Hiya guys. I need some urgent assistance. I am going to start my medical term next year in Monash, Sunway Campus. However, I am an eager beaver and wish to commence on the syllabus before the term.
Can any senior medical student from Monash be of assistance?
I would be very much obliged if such a person would be able to PM me the medical syllabus for the first term.
Thank you, in advance.

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Sep 18 2011, 07:39 AM)

I've just went to look at UWA's website. seems like they are following melb model as well. not too sure whether it's implemented in 2012 or 2013. (seems like 2012) Fees for med is 54K in 2011. A year of med fees in UWA = a complete engineering degree fees in UTAS. intriguing.
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uwa took their last undergraduate cohort in 2011......and from next year 2012, it will be postgraduate entry........i wouldn't call graduate entry medicine as 'melbourne model', as many graduate entry med schools precedes it.....including flinders, the first in oz.........

unlike melbourne however, they are not taking a 2 year gap in intake, so will proceed with 65 places intake next year........that means there will be 2 cohorts graduating in2015 and 2016, from the 2010 and 2011 undergraduate programme, and the 2012 and 2013 graduate entry programme respectively........fees for 2012 is 48k......
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QUOTE(knight111 @ Sep 18 2011, 11:45 AM)
Hiya guys. I need some urgent assistance. I am going to start my medical term next year in Monash, Sunway Campus. However, I am an eager beaver and wish to commence on the syllabus before the term.
Can any senior medical student from Monash be of assistance?
I would be very much obliged if such a person would be able to PM me the medical syllabus for the first term.
Thank you, in advance.
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Let me give you some friendly advice: enjoy your freedom while you still can - the best time of your medical career (that is if you manage to survive it) is between receiving your acceptance letter and actually starting medical school.

Trust me, you can stare at an anatomy textbook all day and still not know a thing because you're not learning within the context of medicine (ie of clinical relevance). That's what you attend medical school for smile.gif

As for you being an eager beaver, you might want to hear this story about med school gunners:

"Before starting my first year, I had heard stories about gunners. I was told that a gunner was someone who hid study materials from his fellow classmates, wouldn’t help his colleagues out with an academic-related problem, or sat in the front row and answered all of the questions in class. After 3.75 years of being around gunners, I can tell you that the initial bit of information that I was provided with was somewhat incomplete. Here’s your complete crash course in gunnerism – be sure to print it out so you can study it on rounds:

Guns-Blazin’- This is your no-frills steel-balled gunner. The ones that practically wear a t-shirt that states “I’m A Gunner, So f*** Off.” You can spot these usually from just the way they look – I don’t know what it is, but I’ll be damned if they don’t have a permanent facial expression that just screams intensity. Coming in on their day off to check up on patients and answering questions about your patients on rounds is typical behaviour. They’ll probably bring in multiple journal articles for added attending flare before, during or after rounds. If you get one of these on your rotation, the best thing to do is just let them do your work. In most cases, you’ll still get a decent grade on the rotation and they’ll be lucky if their grade is any higher than yours (depending on shelf exam weight). They’ll most likely come back to you after the rotation has ended and inquire about your subjective evaluation. Rub it in that you did as well as they did with 40% more sleep.

The Closet Gunner –The closet gunner is the one that tells you he never studies but manages to hold a 4.0 throughout his entire medical school career. Around other classmates they try and play down their intense study regimen, but let an attending pose a “difficult but interesting” question to the group and these guys break. You’ll often be greeted on Monday morning with tales of beer and whores down at the local pub. The truth is that they were really at home with their nose crammed into First-Aid for the USMLE Step 1 memorizing random facts for the entire weekend.

Gunner Wannabe – Perhaps the most misunderstood species in the gunner family, this type walks, talks and acts like a gunner but has a hard time living up to the role. The opposite of the closet gunner, the wannabe gunner wants you to think that he spends enormous amounts of time studying outside of the hospital when usually that time is spent f***ing off. They will occasionally bring in a journal article or two to try and strengthen their argument. The motive behind being a wannabe is purely an attempt to fortify relationships with attendings and residents. However, these people do not put in the actual work to make Guns-Blazin’ status and will eventually migrate down the chain and fall into the final category.

The Stupid Gunner – Criteria for entry here include anybody from the above categories who just can’t cut the gunner lifestyle. These people will typically try and excel at non-academic tasks to make up for their lack of questions answered correctly on rounds. Examples include always being first to volunteer for dressing changes, staple removals or prostate exams. If the resident needs “one student” to help him with a task, more often than not the Stupid Gunner will be the first to volunteer. Note, however, that categorization here can become difficult: Those who live at Guns-Blazin’ status can and often will volunteer for these tasks as well. It is the shelf exam score which differentiates the stupid gunner from the elite Guns-Blazin’ types. The Gunner Wannabes will eventually fall into this category typically after the first two to three rotations."

http://www.medschoolhell.com/2006/03/20/gunners/


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Trust me, enjoy your holidays while you can. After that it's no stroll in the park =P also, don't cross over to the realms of kiasuness from your state of eager beaver =) Med life is haaaaaaard, but it is also enjoyable
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You know, I think you guys are right and I am grateful for your advice. It's just that...
I never thought I'd say this upon finishing my A levels, but the holidays are so boring and I feel often unfulfilled. It's just that a lot of my friends have already started their med term and I feel left behind. But you are absolutely right. I must seize the moment and enjoy the rest of my days. I'm just afraid that my brain might rust due to inactivity.


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"Before starting my first year, I had heard stories about gunners. I was told that a gunner was someone who hid study materials from his fellow classmates, wouldn’t help his colleagues out with an academic-related problem, or sat in the front row and answered all of the questions in class. After 3.75 years of being around gunners, I can tell you that the initial bit of information that I was provided with was somewhat incomplete. Here’s your complete crash course in gunnerism – be sure to print it out so you can study it on rounds:

    Guns-Blazin’- This is your no-frills steel-balled gunner. The ones that practically wear a t-shirt that states “I’m A Gunner, So f*** Off.” You can spot these usually from just the way they look – I don’t know what it is, but I’ll be damned if they don’t have a permanent facial expression that just screams intensity. Coming in on their day off to check up on patients and answering questions about your patients on rounds is typical behaviour. They’ll probably bring in multiple journal articles for added attending flare before, during or after rounds. If you get one of these on your rotation, the best thing to do is just let them do your work. In most cases, you’ll still get a decent grade on the rotation and they’ll be lucky if their grade is any higher than yours (depending on shelf exam weight). They’ll most likely come back to you after the rotation has ended and inquire about your subjective evaluation. Rub it in that you did as well as they did with 40% more sleep.

    The Closet Gunner –The closet gunner is the one that tells you he never studies but manages to hold a 4.0 throughout his entire medical school career. Around other classmates they try and play down their intense study regimen, but let an attending pose a “difficult but interesting” question to the group and these guys break. You’ll often be greeted on Monday morning with tales of beer and whores down at the local pub. The truth is that they were really at home with their nose crammed into First-Aid for the USMLE Step 1 memorizing random facts for the entire weekend.

    Gunner Wannabe – Perhaps the most misunderstood species in the gunner family, this type walks, talks and acts like a gunner but has a hard time living up to the role. The opposite of the closet gunner, the wannabe gunner wants you to think that he spends enormous amounts of time studying outside of the hospital when usually that time is spent f***ing off. They will occasionally bring in a journal article or two to try and strengthen their argument. The motive behind being a wannabe is purely an attempt to fortify relationships with attendings and residents. However, these people do not put in the actual work to make Guns-Blazin’ status and will eventually migrate down the chain and fall into the final category.

    The Stupid Gunner – Criteria for entry here include anybody from the above categories who just can’t cut the gunner lifestyle. These people will typically try and excel at non-academic tasks to make up for their lack of questions answered correctly on rounds. Examples include always being first to volunteer for dressing changes, staple removals or prostate exams. If the resident needs “one student” to help him with a task, more often than not the Stupid Gunner will be the first to volunteer. Note, however, that categorization here can become difficult: Those who live at Guns-Blazin’ status can and often will volunteer for these tasks as well. It is the shelf exam score which differentiates the stupid gunner from the elite Guns-Blazin’ types. The Gunner Wannabes will eventually fall into this category typically after the first two to three rotations."
Thanks for the info on the kind of people I'm going to meet. It's good to know so I won't get a culture shock. Man, the Guns-Blazin' gunners don't sound at all pleasant.


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