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Honours:
Division One Champions: 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965, 1967.
Premiership: 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009

European Cup: 1968, 1999, 2008
European Cup-Winners' Cup: 1991
European Super Cup: 1991
FA Charity/Community Shield: 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965, 1967, 1977, 1983, 1990, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1993, 2003, 2007, 2008
FA Cup Winners: 1909, 1948, 1963, 1977, 1983, 1985, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004
League Cup Winners: 1992, 2006, 2009
Toyota Inter-continental Cup Winners: 1999
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008

Managers:
Alex Ferguson 06-11-1986 Present
Ron Atkinson 01-06-1981 06-11-1986
Dave Sexton 14-07-1977 01-04-1981
Tommy Docherty 22-12-1972 03-07-1977
Frank O'Farrell 08-06-1971 19-12-1972
Matt Busby 28-12-1970 02-06-1971
Wilf McGuinness 10-08-1970 28-12-1970
Matt Busby 01-02-1945 08-06-1969
Walter Crickmer 01-08-1944 01-02-1945
Jimmy Porter 01-08-1938 31-05-1944
Scott Duncan 01-06-1932 01-09-1937
Walter Crickmer 01-04-1931 01-06-1932
Herbert Bamlett 01-04-1927 01-04-1931
Clarence Hildrith 01-10-1926 01-04-1927
John Chapman 01-10-1921 01-10-1926
John Robson 01-12-1914 01-10-1921
Ernest Magnall 01-09-1900 01-09-1912

Record Home Attendance: 76,098 31/3/2007 Premier League (Man Utd vs Blackburn) (83,260 for United v Arsenal at Maine Road in 1948)

Record league win: 10-1 v Wolves 15/10/1892 Division 1

Record league defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn 10/4/1926 Division 1

Record league appearances: 606 Sir Bobby Charlton 1956/73

Record league goalscorer: 199 Sir Bobby Charlton 1956/73

Record transfer fee received: 80,000,000 pounds for Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid July 2009

Record transfer fee paid: 30,750 000 pounds for Dimitar Berbatov from Tottenham (August 2008)


AS the world's biggest and richest club, Manchester United reach a global fanbase.

Part of the attraction for fans around the world has been the football luminaries, such as George Best and Sir Bobby Charlton, who have graced the Old Trafford turf in a Manchester United shirt over the years.

Recently, Manchester United have continued to attract or develop some of the game's biggest names, with England stalwarts such as Paul Scholes and David Beckham having been regular fixtures in the Reds line-up.

The Manchester United team, past and present, reads like a who's who of world football.

It is only fitting that a great team should grace a great stadium. And with Old Trafford's recent development and the closure of Wembley, the ground is easily the largest in English football, holding in excess of 60,000 fans.

Despite this capacity, the demand to see United in action is so great that tickets are hard to come by.

But it isn't only Manchester United fans who flock to Old Trafford. The standard of the ground is such that it regularly hosts high-profile games, most notably, the Champions League Final and Great Britain rugby league games.

Rock fans have also made use of the Reds's facilities, watching a number of high-profile acts at the ground.

But it's football that will forever be synonymous with the Reds famous ground - and with good reason.

The last decade has seen Manchester United under the shrewd leadership of Sir Alex Ferguson maintain a virtual stranglehold on the Premiership crown.

Manchester United has won the league no fewer than 17 times in their history - 10 times in the last 11 seasons. They are also Cup Kings too, winning the FA cup 11 times, the league cup twice, as well as winning the European Super Cup, European Cup Winner's Cup, and 3 times being crowned European Cup champions.

Manchester United has long become a name associated with success both on and off the pitch.

As club profits continue to grow, Manchester United have become one of the richest sports clubs on the planet.

With supporters club branches on every continent, it's hard to go any where in the world and not see somebody wearing the famous red shirt of Manchester United.

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Nickname: The Red Devils

Ground: Old Trafford

Pitch Size: 116 x 76 yards (106.0704 x 69.4944 meter)

Capacity: 76,000

Address: Sir Matt Busby Way, Old Trafford, Manchester

Postcode: M160RA

Directions: From North: Leave the M60 at junction 12 for M602 (Salford / Manchester). At the end of M602 (Jtn 3) follow the signs for Salford Quays and Trafford Park. At the roundabout turn right into Trafford Road (A5063), then at the bridge over Manchester Ship canal, keep in the right hand lane and turn right. Next, follow this road round to Trafford Wharf Road, and then left onto Watersreach. Continue through the traffic lights onto Sir Matt Busby Way.

From South: Leave M6 at junction 19, then take the A56 towards Manchester Airport. Join the M56 to Manchester, going past the Airport and then follow the signs for the M60 (Leeds / Liverpool). Leave M60 at Jtn 7 (A56 Chester Road) following signs for Manchester United Football Club. Turn left into Sir Matt Busby Way.

Ticket prices: 25 pounds upwards, concessions from 12.50 pounds. Tickets for the home sections are usually only available to members of the club and are normally allocated by ballot.

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Next Live Match Scheduled On Astro

Date | Time | Channel | Home Or Away | Opponent | Competition

26/9 | 21:55 | ESPN | Away | Stoke City | BPL

Replay(s): 28/9 23:30 | 30/9 04:30 - ESPN

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Previous Match (Man Utd v Man City)

Replay(s): 21/9 13:00,23:30 | 25/9 02:30 - ESPN

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Season 2009/2010 Fixtures

[Links: Fixtures On Official Website, manutd.com]

July 2009
18 Jul Pre-season Malaysian XI A [W 3-2 | Rooney, Nani, Owen]
20 Jul Pre-season Malaysian XI A [W 2-0 | Macheda, Owen]
24 Jul Pre-season FC Seoul A [W 3-2 | Rooney, Macheda, Berbatov]
26 Jul Pre-season Hangzhou Greentown A [W 8-2 | Owen, Berbatov, Tosic, Owen, Nani, Giggs, Giggs, Giggs]
29 Jul Audi Cup Boca Juniors A [W 2-1 | Anderson, Valencia]
30 Jul Audi Cup Bayern Munich A [D 0-0, Lose 6-7 On Penalties]

August 2009
05 Aug Pre-season Valencia CF H [W 2-0 | Rooney, Cleverly]
09 Aug Community Shield Chelsea A [D 2-2, Lose 1-4 On Penalties | Nani, Rooney]
16 Aug Barclays Premier League Birmingham H [W 1-0 | Rooney]
19 Aug Barclays Premier League Burnley A [L 1-0]
22 Aug Barclays Premier League Wigan A [W 5-0 | Rooney, Berbatov, Rooney, Owen, Nani]
29 Aug Barclays Premier League Arsenal H [W 2-1 | Rooney, Diaby OG]

September 2009
12 Sep Barclays Premier League Tottenham A [W 3-1 | Giggs, Anderson, Rooney]
15 Sep UEFA Champions League Besiktas A [W 1-0 | Scholes]
20 Sep Barclays Premier League Man City H [W 4-3 | Rooney, Fletcher, Fletcher, Owen]
23 Sep League Cup Wolves H [W 1-0 | Welbeck]
26 Sep Barclays Premier League Stoke City A 15:00
30 Sep UEFA Champions League Wolfsburg H 19:45

October 2009
03 Oct Barclays Premier League Sunderland H 17:30
17 Oct Barclays Premier League Bolton H 15:00
21 Oct UEFA Champions League CSKA Moscow A 19:45
25 Oct Barclays Premier League Liverpool A 14:00
31 Oct Barclays Premier League Blackburn H 17:30

November 2009
03 Nov UEFA Champions League CSKA Moscow H 19:45
08 Nov Barclays Premier League Chelsea A 16:00
21 Nov Barclays Premier League Everton H 17:30
25 Nov UEFA Champions League Besiktas H 19:45
28 Nov Barclays Premier League Portsmouth A TBC

December 2009
05 Dec Barclays Premier League West Ham A TBC
08 Dec UEFA Champions League Wolfsburg A 19:45
12 Dec Barclays Premier League Aston Villa H TBC
15 Dec Barclays Premier League Wolves H TBC
19 Dec Barclays Premier League Fulham A TBC
26 Dec Barclays Premier League Hull City A TBC
28 Dec Barclays Premier League Wigan H TBC

January 2010
09 Jan Barclays Premier League Birmingham A TBC
16 Jan Barclays Premier League Burnley H TBC
26 Jan Barclays Premier League Hull City H TBC
30 Jan Barclays Premier League Arsenal A TBC

February 2010
06 Feb Barclays Premier League Portsmouth H TBC
10 Feb Barclays Premier League Aston Villa A TBC
20 Feb Barclays Premier League Everton A TBC
27 Feb Barclays Premier League West Ham H TBC

March 2010
06 Mar Barclays Premier League Wolves A TBC
13 Mar Barclays Premier League Fulham H TBC
20 Mar Barclays Premier League Liverpool H TBC
27 Mar Barclays Premier League Bolton A TBC

April 2010
03 Apr Barclays Premier League Chelsea H TBC
10 Apr Barclays Premier League Blackburn A TBC
17 Apr Barclays Premier League Man City A TBC
24 Apr Barclays Premier League Tottenham H TBC

May 2010
01 May Barclays Premier League Sunderland A TBC
09 May Barclays Premier League Stoke City H TBC

17 June 2009. Please note these fixtures are provisional only. Fixtures are subject to change and may be selected for live TV broadcast; kick-off times will be confirmed in due course. Fans are strongly advised not to make travel or accommodation arrangements too far in advance.

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Manchester United Squad Photo 2009/2010

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Manchester United 2009-2010 Squad List [Squad number - Player Name]

Official Website's Squad List

Goalkeeper
1. Edwin Van der Sar
12. Ben Foster
29. Tomasz Kuszczak
38. Ron Robert-Zieler
40. Ben Amos

Defender
2. Gary Neville (capt)
3. Patrice Evra
5. Rio Ferdinand
6. Wes Brown
15. Nemanja Vidic
20. Fabio da Silva
21. Rafael da Silva
22. John O'Shea
23. Jonathan Evans
30. Ritchie De Laet
31. Corry Evans
36. David Gray
37. Craig Cathcart

~ Danny Simpson * On Loan Newcastle United *

Midfielder
4. Owen Hargreaves
8. Anderson
11. Ryan Giggs
13. Park Ji-Sung
14. Zoran Tosic
16. Michael Carrick
17. Nani
18. Paul Scholes
24. Darren Fletcher
25. Antonio Valencia
26. Gabriel Obertan
28. Darren Gibson
35. Tom Cleverley

~ Rodrigo Possebon * On Loan To Sporting Braga *

Striker
7. Michael Owen
9. Dimitar Berbatov
10. Wayne Rooney
19. Danny Welbeck
27. Federico Macheda

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For easier reference to all, I will try my best to update either the post links/any direct links to any Man Utd Asia Tour 2009 related pictures/videos posted by the members smile.gif

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Siggy 131-140 ** 25/08/09 - New Siggy Added (#140) **

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Siggy 141-150 ** 22/09/09 - New Siggy Added (#144-145) **

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QUOTE(air_mood @ Mar 14 2008, 02:53 PM)
Some excellent youtube videos. I did not find this and credit goes to wahls off RR. Give it a watch if you have the time.

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I agree,Arshavins shot was very much save-able. Im sure VDS would've kept that one out...
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no 2!!
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Thanks for the new thread bro. The players will have some time to rest due to international fixtures smile.gif
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no 5 lol ferdinand~!
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Just able to post since last night. I think yesterday we started the match with this formation

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JOS Brown Vidic Evra
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Rooney.

Other than Fletcher, the rest of the midfield are absolutely crap. Peoples will say Giggs played well but other than his pass to Rooney and the freekick that led to OG, he basically lost his direction at the midfield. Carrick did not provide any killer pass, Nani and Valencia aren't productive as well. The formation really did not suit us, 4-5-1 is just not our style, playing at home some more. 4-4-2 is the best formation for us and Fletcher must start every match!!

Talk about the last minute drama, IF, if Berba and Nani sealed their chances,it will be much more easier for us to defend. I will slain Berba for his miss chance, 1 v 1 , should at least put GK into work.

We have a workhorse in the midfield but we lack of brain. We seriously need more creativity in the midfield to helped out the wing play. Our winger did not supply enough crosses into the box, Nani and Valencia need to improve their decision making ability, they made space for themselves but can't utilize it.
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if u notice, last game, Rooney was superb with header if long ball come to him. Always the 1st one to jump n reach the ball 1st. if got owen beside him sure can assist. This remind me of Louis Saha's style of header.
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foster doing quite well!lucky he back on form in epl!
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QUOTE(tommy81 @ Aug 30 2009, 02:10 PM)
foster doing quite well!lucky he back on form in epl!
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Should've let Owen played instead of Berba doh.gif
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Agreed. Berba played like an old man.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 02:47 PM)
Agreed. Berba played like an old man.
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There are justice and karma after all.

I still remember the pain Gallas inflicted on me when he scored the last minute equalising goal at Emirates.

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so the next game is against spurs

another tough game based on their current form

got another 12days before the match

hopefully the like rio, evans can fit for the match


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QUOTE(tommy81 @ Aug 30 2009, 02:30 PM)
huh?!why said so?! hmm.gif where u from?!see really know me or not?! tongue.gif
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Kuching. You same also right?
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QUOTE(nshady @ Aug 30 2009, 03:13 PM)
Kuching. You same also right?
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QUOTE(tommy81 @ Aug 30 2009, 03:21 PM)
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I see. Do you know Jasper? lol.

Anyway, spurs game will be a tough one. They have a very good form atm. Still with their winning streak tongue.gif
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It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 30 2009, 03:28 PM)
It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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I agreed. Everytime you look at his playing you'll see he's so dull like a stone. Why can he make more run instead of waiting at the 6 yard box? is it because of SAF tactic?
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QUOTE(nshady @ Aug 30 2009, 03:22 PM)
I see. Do you know Jasper? lol.

Anyway, spurs game will be a tough one. They have a very good form atm. Still with their winning streak tongue.gif
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yup!spurs very form recent!
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 03:33 PM)
I agreed. Everytime you look at his playing you'll see he's so dull like a stone. Why can he make more run instead of waiting at the 6 yard box? is it because of SAF tactic?
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it's Berba we're talking here.that's his style of play.he maybe doesn't run that much but when he has the ball, he has the ability to create something out of nothing. his reading and vision of the game is brilliant, his flicks and passes are special.just let Rooney do the running.

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wah, new thread d ar?? those who said roon dived for the pen, pls look at arse's eboue before spitting that 'dive' word out. and oso eduardo.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 03:33 PM)
I agreed. Everytime you look at his playing you'll see he's so dull like a stone. Why can he make more run instead of waiting at the 6 yard box? is it because of SAF tactic?
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Since the start i've seen him play. He's been damn lazy. Everytime he lose the ball and get tackle he will have the moaning face look and try to give the whining look to the referee. At least Rooney tries not to go down and after he goes down he tries to get the ball back. Berbatov just throws his hands into the air!

I don't fault his skill but his attitude pissing me off. At least Tevez had 70% of his talent but 5 times his work rate and attitude on the pitch.

That said, if he's not so emo he really can be brilliant. Let's wait till the season ends.
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I never want to see 433 again...unless we have someone with speed & accuracy on our side. It's too big of a gamble. We're saved because of Fletcher's outstanding performance.
You just have to accept that in the big games, that formation will be used whether you like it or not. If it wasn't for that formation, we probably would have lost the game.

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No one mobile enough at the centre besides Fletch. He has great engine, but need someone more in the creative side with similar agility or mobile.

Think players like Diego, or Iniesta. Someone similar. If we have someone like that, then the 433 formation will work. Giggs is not young anymore. So

is Scholes. Gibson I think better suit to play deeper or at least in defensive post rather than offensive one. And let the forwards do the running. I

watched how Inter destroyed Milans defense with good passing and teamwork liao. So nice to watch. tongue.gif But Inter is strong in midfield. Thats what

United really lacking now. Need Hargo back quickly!
AC Milan is crap. Now without Kaka, they're crapper than ever. But Inter does look good, but they're nothing special IMO. Good midfield they may have, but last season couldn't do a thing against us.

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- No creativity from midfield.
- No final pass.
- Hesitant when in front of Goal.
- Lost possession one too many times due to misplaced passes.
- No chemistry between players, often missing each others runs and passes.
- Very little shots on goal.
- Dozed of the last 5 minutes of the game in extra time. (Berbatov was crap, he didn't even play like he wanted to be on the pitch, so damn lazy) The goal ruled offside from Van Persie was because one of our players was sleeping when the ball was passed to him, that could have cost us 2 points!
- Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win.
- Bad tactics, to play on the flanks when our right winger isn't up to par, both their fullbacks did a good job against our wingers.
- Giggs went missing, lost possession way too many times, especially on crucial moments i would rate him a 4 if not for his "assist" with the Diaby goal.

Positives
- Broke up possession.
- Defended well.
- Quick counter attacking (passes in the final 3rd let us down, together with the 1st touch and hesitant attitude of some players)
- Brown did a decent job considering he hasn't played in a while.
- Fletcher did well, except for the missed opportunity, but he is not RVN so he's forgiven for that.

We won this time due to the mistakes from their keeper and the defender. Even in the games in Wigan, i hope we start to gel or we'll be in trouble real soon.

Don't expect Champion league victory this season, i'd be contented if we retained the league.
Both side misplace passes. It was that kind of a game with both sides looking to cancel each other out. But Giggs was frustrating in the first half at least. He had a lot of good chances to create something but always found a way to mess them up.

We had a lot of final pass in the end, but one way or another, we mess them up at crucial times. And in the first half if it wasn't for Giggs somehow messing them up, we would have a lot.

It's only 5 games into the season, so you would expect them not to be at their best yet in terms of team play.

Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win? What kind of bull is that. We both wanted to win the match... we're the one who got the 2nd goal, and of course they would try their best to get their own 2nd goal so they won't lose. They mess up, just like we did when we should have got the 3rd goal..

Bad tactics? It was perfect to counter Arsenal with their movement. As shown in the past that formation is effective for the big games although it doesn't always look pretty on the eye. What do you suggest then? We play 442 with the same player on the right wing? Same thing.. notworthy.gif

As for our creativity, this is the midfield for the last few seasons which supported our attacks to great effect. You've been banging on and on about it, but name me again who started in midfield last few seasons? It's not about looking back at the past, but if we are so crap, we wouldn't have managed to score so many goals or even be as successful as we did, with or without Ronaldo.
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It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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Valencia still hasn't found his groove yet in United shirt....hopefully his sub-par performance is because he hasn't gel with the team yet, and not the psychological burden of his price tag, and the crowds anticipation of his status as "ronaldo replacement"....
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i believe this takeshi is just a troll .. lol
berba is old man now. now the teams has to buy rooney type of players meaning those skillful players like iniesta, messi xabi alonso ... all those are shitty players cos they dun run alot. we must buy those headless chicken but run alot like kuyt tevez and all ????

seriously takeshi just stfu la abt berba. he missed so what? tell me one striker that has never missed in their football career and will burn my berba jersey.

rooney always score goals ah??? remember last season 2 mth drought????????

if i wan to aim one person to blame i would have blame giggs yesterday cos his decision making yesterday was damn bad cos he played the hard pass rather than the easy and got intercepted ...
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QUOTE(Wan @ Aug 30 2009, 03:58 PM)
AC Milan is crap. Now without Kaka, they're crapper than ever. But Inter does look good, but they're nothing special IMO. Good midfield they may have, but last season couldn't do a thing against us.

QUOTE(Tak3shi)
- No creativity from midfield.
- No final pass.
- Hesitant when in front of Goal.
- Lost possession one too many times due to misplaced passes.
- No chemistry between players, often missing each others runs and passes.
- Very little shots on goal.
- Dozed of the last 5 minutes of the game in extra time. (Berbatov was crap, he didn't even play like he wanted to be on the pitch, so damn lazy) The goal ruled offside from Van Persie was because one of our players was sleeping when the ball was passed to him, that could have cost us 2 points!
- Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win.
- Bad tactics, to play on the flanks when our right winger isn't up to par, both their fullbacks did a good job against our wingers.
- Giggs went missing, lost possession way too many times, especially on crucial moments i would rate him a 4 if not for his "assist" with the Diaby goal.

Positives
- Broke up possession.
- Defended well.
- Quick counter attacking (passes in the final 3rd let us down, together with the 1st touch and hesitant attitude of some players)
- Brown did a decent job considering he hasn't played in a while.
- Fletcher did well, except for the missed opportunity, but he is not RVN so he's forgiven for that.

We won this time due to the mistakes from their keeper and the defender. Even in the games in Wigan, i hope we start to gel or we'll be in trouble real soon.

Don't expect Champion league victory this season, i'd be contented if we retained the league.
Both side misplace passes. It was that kind of a game with both sides looking to cancel each other out. But Giggs was frustrating in the first half at least. He had a lot of good chances to create something but always found a way to mess them up.

We had a lot of final pass in the end, but one way or another, we mess them up at crucial times. And in the first half if it wasn't for Giggs somehow messing them up, we would have a lot.

It's only 5 games into the season, so you would expect them not to be at their best yet in terms of team play.

Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win? What kind of bull is that. We both wanted to win the match... we're the one who got the 2nd goal, and of course they would try their best to get their own 2nd goal so they won't lose. They mess up, just like we did when we should have got the 3rd goal..

Bad tactics? It was perfect to counter Arsenal with their movement. As shown in the past that formation is effective for the big games although it doesn't always look pretty on the eye. What do you suggest then? We play 442 with the same player on the right wing? Same thing.. notworthy.gif

As for our creativity, this is the midfield for the last few seasons which supported our attacks to great effect. You've been banging on and on about it, but name me again who started in midfield last few seasons? It's not about looking back at the past, but if we are so crap, we wouldn't have managed to score so many goals or even be as successful as we did, with or without Ronaldo.
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Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.

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Berba just got in for 15minutes & he got blamed for that short of a play time? I feel that he would be of a more impact if we were behind...which we're not. He's just not under pressure...What's the most important at that point is possession. Give the guy a break. I have faith in him. Carrick, Ando, Brown, Giggs are under performing right now....Why not blame them too?
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Anyway Berba remind me of Christian Vieri. Similar style and phsical strength but Vieri is more prolific. I like that kind of striker because they look lazy and slow but they always sharp in front of goal. Btw, why i dont see Anderson at yesterday match?
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Berba just got in for 15minutes & he got blamed for that short of a play time? I feel that he would be of a more impact if we were behind...which we're not. He's just not under pressure...What's the most important at that point is possession. Give the guy a break. I have faith in him. Carrick, Ando, Brown, Giggs are under performing right now....Why not blame them too?
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 04:13 PM)
Anyway Berba remind me of Christian Vieri. Similar style and phsical strength but Vieri is more prolific. I like that kind of striker because they look lazy and slow but they always sharp in front of goal. Btw, why i dont see Anderson at yesterday match?
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Quarrel with Fergie. laugh.gif

He's been off form this season, so maybe let him rest and focus on training so he can get better. I really don't know what position Anderson plays best because he was AMC when MU bought him and he played AMC for both Gremio and Porto. Maybe it's to make him more of a complete midfielder?


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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 04:13 PM)
Anyway Berba remind me of Christian Vieri. Similar style and phsical strength but Vieri is more prolific. I like that kind of striker because they look lazy and slow but they always sharp in front of goal. Btw, why i dont see Anderson at yesterday match?
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Christian Veiri is a legend! I used to like him a lot when i was younger! Berbatov has a loooong way to go.

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berba with his own style..
dont like him, just leave him..
if he score.. dont ever cheer for him~

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Both side misplace passes. It was that kind of a game with both sides looking to cancel each other out. But Giggs was frustrating in the first half at least. He had a lot of good chances to create something but always found a way to mess them up.

We had a lot of final pass in the end, but one way or another, we mess them up at crucial times. And in the first half if it wasn't for Giggs somehow messing them up, we would have a lot.

It's only 5 games into the season, so you would expect them not to be at their best yet in terms of team play.

Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win? What kind of bull is that. We both wanted to win the match... we're the one who got the 2nd goal, and of course they would try their best to get their own 2nd goal so they won't lose. They mess up, just like we did when we should have got the 3rd goal..

Bad tactics? It was perfect to counter Arsenal with their movement. As shown in the past that formation is effective for the big games although it doesn't always look pretty on the eye. What do you suggest then? We play 442 with the same player on the right wing? Same thing.. notworthy.gif

As for our creativity, this is the midfield for the last few seasons which supported our attacks to great effect. You've been banging on and on about it, but name me again who started in midfield last few seasons? It's not about looking back at the past, but if we are so crap, we wouldn't have managed to score so many goals or even be as successful as we did, with or without Ronaldo.
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Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.
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so ur talking abt ronaldo?

yeah we sold him, and we r training NANI, Obertan to be his successor la

wait ma, not straight to get "ronaldo"

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Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.
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so ur talking abt ronaldo?

yeah we sold him, and we r training NANI, Obertan to be his successor la

wait ma, not straight to get "ronaldo"
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yo bro, i talked about ronaldo because your friend here said we won the team with the same midfielders last year. He forgot that a huge part of contribution was from ronaldo.

If not why i want to mention Ronaldo, ronaldo leave i don't care. But u expect us to perform as well as last season without him, please be realistic. Whatever i've said has been mentioned on player rating football sites like goal.com. It's not a negative rating, it's a factual rating.
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I dont trust Brown at CB at all. He's muchhhhh more effective playing as a RB. I rather if JOS plays at CB.
He always need a few run in the side to get in the groove. Always like that. He's a bit crap and all over the place in his first few games.

QUOTE(Pain_X @ Aug 30 2009, 02:01 PM)
I agree,Arshavins shot was very much save-able. Im sure VDS would've kept that one out...
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Probably took him by surprise. Got his hand to it, but guess it was a bit late. Need to work on his spring and reach. Someone should have close Arshavin though.. Vida was in front of him and probably scared to close him down seeing Arshavin can run rings around him if he rush forward.

QUOTE(rayz1031 @ Aug 30 2009, 02:06 PM)
Just able to post since last night. I think yesterday we started the match with this formation

Foster
JOS Brown Vidic Evra
Fletcher Fletcher Fletcher Fletcher Fletcher
Rooney.

Other than Fletcher, the rest of the midfield are absolutely crap. Peoples will say Giggs played well but other than his pass to Rooney and the freekick that led to OG, he basically lost his direction at the midfield. Carrick did not provide any killer pass, Nani and Valencia aren't productive as well. The formation really did not suit us, 4-5-1 is just not our style, playing at home some more. 4-4-2 is the best formation for us and Fletcher must start every match!!

Talk about the last minute drama, IF, if Berba and Nani sealed their chances,it will be much more easier for us to defend. I will slain Berba for his miss chance, 1 v 1 , should at least put GK into work.

We have a workhorse in the midfield but we lack of brain. We seriously need more creativity in the midfield to helped out the wing play. Our winger did not supply enough crosses into the box, Nani and Valencia need to improve their decision making ability, they made space for themselves but can't utilize it.
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I agree, other than Fletcher, the rest didn't show up. Carrick is still in his crappy form. He wasn't bad, but it would have been great if he showed himself more in the game. If I remember last few seasons also the same. He will get into these sort of form for a while, then spring to life. Giggs forgot how to control the ball.. Valencia wasn't effective, and Nani had 2-3 players to beat on his own.

But I thought it was the correct decision to go with 3/5 in the middle. We just have to accept it, for the big games 442 won't always work. 2 CMs agaisnt 3/4 CMs.. that won't be fun to watch, especially against a side like Arsenal who you know would kill us with their movement, pace and passing. We've found our cure for the big games using 433/451, and we use it. 442 to destroy other teams. Just remember last season CL games.. it was 433 against Arsenal where we ran riot.

I disagree about the creativity bit. On form Carrick can provide it. And Anderson have plenty although he's too inconsistent right now. Giggs obviously is the master(aside from last night), along with Scholes, although they are on their last legs.

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Should've let Owen played instead of Berba doh.gif
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Maybe, he would have killed them off.. or maybe not seeing his finishing for the last few games. We needed someone able to keep the ball, and Berba is mighty strong at that. He just got off balance, and probably in hindsight should have stop the ball first and then shoot with that one chance he got.

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 30 2009, 03:28 PM)
It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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Why can't he just play the way he is and be effective at the same time? Rooney is a freak in that respect.. not many players play like him. If there's something wrong with Berba's attitude, SAF would have thrown a desk at him already and ship him out. Guess he knows more huh seeing as Berba is still here and seemingly first choice alongside Rooney. I really don't see what's the big problem.. so he doesn't run after the defenders as much, but stats would tell he's done far more defensive work/work in general than you would claim.

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 30 2009, 04:07 PM)
Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.
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Last few seasons we use him as our main weapon drawing out his potential in getting goals. Now that he's gone we're seeing the strikers getting more action in front of goal. We may have lose some aspect of play that he brings to the side, but we got a few more tools now too without him there trying to be a striker rather than creating chances.

Could it be just tactics that we allowed them to have the ball and only harry them at certain position/for certain players? If that's the only way to win games, why the hell don't teams do it all the time or every single game? It's call tactics. We might do certain things and Arsenal doesn't, and not do certain stuff which Arsenal might do.. but both sides would look to win the game, or draw depending on circumstances. We want to win this one seeing it was a home game.

I'm not saying it was a perfect game, far from it, but due to both sides canceling each other out, there's bound to be mistakes everywhere, which showed. They made more than us. If Diaby didn't score that own goal, we might have done better with one of our chances late on.. What IFs..
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jeez. lay off Berba for a bit. look at his stats when he's in the EPL. not only does he score, but he assists as well! I'd compare him to Bergkamp himself. not the highest scorer in the league, but assist stats are impressive.
in terms of skills and technique as well. did people get on Bergkamp's back when he scored 14-20 goals per season?
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berba with his own style..
dont like him, just leave him..
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lol...nice one thumbup.gif

Guys...should watch berbatov's last season's highlights from Wan's youtube.

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Maybe, he would have killed them off.. or maybe not seeing his finishing for the last few games. We needed someone able to keep the ball, and Berba is mighty strong at that. He just got off balance, and probably in hindsight should have stop the ball first and then shoot with that one chance he got.

Why can't he just play the way he is and be effective at the same time? Rooney is a freak in that respect.. not many players play like him. If there's something wrong with Berba's attitude, SAF would have thrown a desk at him already and ship him out. Guess he knows more huh seeing as Berba is still here and seemingly first choice alongside Rooney. I really don't see what's the big problem.. so he doesn't run after the defenders as much, but stats would tell he's done far more defensive work/work in general than you would claim.
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if he could sleep like a buddha on the pitch and score tons of goals, that's fine by me. Is he doing that now? I said 1/2 rooney's attitude. 1/2 would be to fight for the ball back when he loses it, instead of staying on the ground lifting his hands up.

As i said earlier, let's wait till the season ends. Did i mention anywhere here that OMG we should sell him NOW! Azman Adnan could play better!!

At least Nani's attitude is much better this season his diving antics and selfish play last season pissed me off, CR maybe his sifu but don't have to copy all the bad traits as well ma. lol.

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 04:13 PM)
Anyway Berba remind me of Christian Vieri. Similar style and phsical strength but Vieri is more prolific. I like that kind of striker because they look lazy and slow but they always sharp in front of goal. Btw, why i dont see Anderson at yesterday match?
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there was a quote by inter fan a couple of years saying that vieri was only prolific because inter was playing in the serie b. it simply means vieri only can score against lower level club..
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anyone has a video or picture of rooney doing that suicide diving header towards the end?
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QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Aug 30 2009, 04:39 PM)
there was a quote by inter fan a couple of years saying that vieri was only prolific because inter was playing in the serie b. it simply means vieri only can score against lower level club..
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I thought Inter always play in serie a??? Actually his international record also is great considering not many striker can score more than half of their appearances when at international level.
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anyone has a video or picture of rooney doing that suicide diving header towards the end?
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That was gold, haha. Everybody was cheering.

Arsene Wenger being sent off was gold too, he was stuck with all the MU fans who were crazily waving!
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I wonder if berbatov played the same style during his tenure at tottenham? 06/07 and 07/08 he scored 23 goals each season.
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we still havent seen obertan in United shirt
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I thought Inter always play in serie a??? Actually his international record also is great considering not many striker can score more than half of their appearances when at international level.
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I wonder if berbatov played the same style during his tenure at tottenham? 06/07 and 07/08 he scored 23 goals each season.
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Yes same style better attitude. Attitude is different from style.

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Internazionale have never been relegated from the Italian top flight in their entire history, which dates back all the way to 1908; a fact Nerazzurri fans hold in high regard.

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Yes same style better attitude. Attitude is different from style.
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u dont get it do u.. it was a sarcastic remark ler....

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I'd probly accept some whining from Berba haters if he played the whole 90 mins or something. But to sprout all that trash despite having him on the field for what.. 15mins? Like, seriously. Yes, last season he wasnt quite the player whom most would cheer for (other than when he does his magic). But then again, for the past few matches or so he did tried to at least tackle a lil bit more and so on, no? Like, why draft the comparison between him and Terez? This particular topic had been discussed over and over again.

I aint a Berba lover. But I certainly dont b**** and whine hoping that every player that came in are to resemble the players we lost (to oth clubs).
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just my 2 cents on the last few minutes during the added time: -
- berba n nani missed 2 easy opportunity to seal the game
- i had a heart attack when arsenal's 2nd goal until it was rulled offside

had the 2nd goal has not been rulled offside, i'll be flaming berba cause his performance yesterday was really bad...
missing such chances in such close game would cost us...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 30 2009, 05:21 PM)
just my 2 cents on the last few minutes during the added time: -
- berba n nani missed 2 easy opportunity to seal the game
- i had a heart attack when arsenal's 2nd goal until it was rulled offside

had the 2nd goal has not been rulled offside, i'll be flaming berba cause his performance yesterday was really bad...
missing such chances in such close game would cost us...
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had the goal gone in, u should be flaming rooney 1st, then berba
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had the goal gone in, u should be flaming rooney 1st, then berba
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to be missing such shot at such crucial moment due to such performance would cost the team regardless of player...
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well, IMO the defensive side of Manchester United was quite impressive. Seriously, Arsenal players had big trouble getting close to shooting (b'side the crossing). Thing is.. MU attack also cannot guna punya.. xD XD

chill bro, just opinion
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almost drew - 1 point
won the game - 3 points
watching Arsenal fans jumping to Van Persie offside goal at Asia Cafe - priceless


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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Aug 30 2009, 05:48 PM)
well, IMO the defensive side of Manchester United was quite impressive. Seriously, Arsenal players had big trouble getting close to shooting (b'side the crossing). Thing is.. MU attack also cannot guna punya.. xD XD

chill bro, just opinion
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erm.. from what i recall, their glorious chances were

1 - van persie shot deflected out by evra
2 - arshavin half volley from foster's weak parry
3 - arshavin's goal
4 - van persie shot from 5 yards saved by foster
5 - eboue miscontrolled the ball in front of goal
6 - diaby shot wide from 10 yards after dribbled 3 players

those were quite a lot.. but since brown not performing after long term injury, its still ok since we only conceeded a wondergoal
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that diaby keras semacam la for someone his size..and the way he dribbles really baffles me..mcm clumsy but it works..
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u dont get it do u.. it was a sarcastic remark ler....
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meaning that the inter fan is saying that all the other team in seria A is bad, play like the level of serie B therefore vieri and score easily??

but when vieri at inter, inter never win any Seria A title rite?
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almost drew - 1 point
won the game - 3 points
watching Arsenal fans jumping to Van Persie offside goal at Asia Cafe - priceless


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that diaby keras semacam la for someone his size..and the way he dribbles really baffles me..mcm clumsy but it works..
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Haha thats the thing, he looks clumsy to fool people! tongue.gif

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Luka Modric is out for next match. Good news?  laugh.gif

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overall the team perform was good not Modric him selves only.

so nothing to happy at the moment, the only thing is we want another 3 points from the spurs game...

so far arsenal ski manage with 100% performance and SAF was rite, Chelsea is the biggest thread for us
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he did get the ball first..~

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Takeshi is A TROLL. I don't believe that I am going to agree with Solstice but Takeshi is a Kopitiam whore. LOL. Sprouting nonsense. WTF, Ronaldo was so prolific last season and the previous one because we played him as the

main FW. He had so little assist. Check back his stats. Berba style is lazy? At least he is not b****ing unlike some Argie player you adore. That twat may play like a bulldozer but he wasn't so effective as Berba does. Check again

for stats you so-called fan. Ronaldo is gone. Tevez left. So what? Valencia and Nani aren't his replacement. Ronaldo was exceptional. We made great use of his talent. Berba fall here and there because the opponents seems like to

tackle him. He is so great with close control and first touches that irritates opponents. So what he missed the glorious chance to seal the game last nite? Ronaldo missed a pen too, against Barca, the year we won UCL.

Sprout nonsense all you want. All I see a is glory hunter in you.

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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 30 2009, 04:29 PM)
yo bro, i talked about ronaldo because your friend here said we won the team with the same midfielders last year. He forgot that a huge part of contribution was from ronaldo.

If not why i want to mention Ronaldo, ronaldo leave i don't care. But u expect us to perform as well as last season without him, please be realistic. Whatever i've said has been mentioned on player rating football sites like goal.com. It's not a negative rating, it's a factual rating.
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If he's so great, wonder why Portugal is struggling right now? He played his part of course, but you make it sound as if he was the one creating the goals he scored himself which is bull of course. Nobody is belittling his performances for us. He was great, but credit must go to the others too that made that happen.

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 30 2009, 04:37 PM)
if he could sleep like a buddha on the pitch and score tons of goals, that's fine by me. Is he doing that now? I said 1/2 rooney's attitude. 1/2 would be to fight for the ball back when he loses it, instead of staying on the ground lifting his hands up.

As i said earlier, let's wait till the season ends. Did i mention anywhere here that OMG we should sell him NOW! Azman Adnan could play better!!

At least Nani's attitude is much better this season his diving antics and selfish play last season pissed me off, CR maybe his sifu but don't have to copy all the bad traits as well ma. lol.
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Like I said, if it was such a big problem as you make it out to be, Berba would have black eyes already throughout last season. But that doesn't happen, and there was no telling off from SAF.


Added on August 30, 2009, 7:15 pmI don't know about trolling, but just someone with the extreme view of the team he loves. While maybe we sit on the other extreme side of things. tongue.gif

Let's be honest. Our players individually apart from Rooney, and the defenders, is not what you would bracket with the elite status. Plenty of reasons for this. Giggs and Scholes getting old and not as good as before, and Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia and Park a level or two below.. same with Berba(has the ability, need to show it more) and Owen. Then we have Anderson and Nani who is still growing into their role.. + the youngsters..

But it's a team game. And as shown last few seasons we are not as weak as it seems in the midfield/attacking part. Ronaldo helped of course, but who gave him the balls for him to do his damage? It's chicken and egg situation. Without Ronaldo being Ronaldo the last few seasons, we may not have been so effective, but if our midfield is so weak as you make it sound, then he wouldn't be getting the awards and goals he got last few seasons. It goes both ways.

And trying to claim our midfield is weak as shown in the CL final.. we got to the final where everyone else fail apart from Barca. That has to be something. Yes we should do better, and if it means us buying a couple more midfielders to make that happen, then we should. But seems the top midfielders are either unavailable or would cost a bomb since they are already at top clubs.

We just have to make do with what we have and wait till Anderson grow.. he's 21, and Fletcher is 25 right now. Consider how shit Fletcher was a few seasons back regularly.. and Anderson has shown far more consistency and class compared to Fletcher was at the same age..

As it is our midfield isn't so bad. Pair Fletcher with another one or two other midfielders in the big games, and we're set. Him missing however, I suggest pressing the panic button unless Hargreaves gets back pronto.

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sorry, off topic, but i want to know, where can i find the table of fixtures?

Like eerr

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Horizontol is Home

Diagonal is Away

i saw this on newspaper before, but i want the full table... so that i can print it...

Anyone know?
(sorry i dunno how to cut pictures)

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www.soccernet.com
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They should have them.


Added on August 30, 2009, 7:21 pmhttp://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=eng.1&cc=4716

There.

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Was it a dive or clear foul? Clearly Almunia take him out there..
As for dive.. Rooney didn't need to do much. laugh.gif Almunia already did the work for him, he just need to stay on the course he was heading and it would be a penalty.

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www.soccernet.com
www.premierleague.com

They should have them.
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premierleague.com dun have de.. been searching quite some time d
tried soccernet, but cant get any


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not those type, its like a table, that writes the date of fixture of ALL the games.


Added on August 30, 2009, 7:28 pmbtw where u guys get all these GIF images?

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Aug 30 2009, 06:55 PM)
Takeshi is A TROLL. I don't believe that I am going to agree with Solstice but Takeshi is a Kopitiam whore. LOL. Sprouting nonsense. WTF, Ronaldo was so prolific last season and the previous one because we played him as the

main FW. He had so little assist.
Check back his stats. Berba style is lazy? At least he is not b****ing unlike some Argie player you adore. That twat may play like a bulldozer but he wasn't so effective as Berba does. Check again

for stats you so-called fan. Ronaldo is gone. Tevez left. So what? Valencia and Nani aren't his replacement. Ronaldo was exceptional. We made great use of his talent. Berba fall here and there because the opponents seems like to

tackle him. He is so great with close control and first touches that irritates opponents. So what he missed the glorious chance to seal the game last nite? Ronaldo missed a pen too, against Barca, the year we won UCL.

Sprout nonsense all you want. All I see a is glory hunter in you.
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to be fair he played some good passes/crosses to our strikers but our forward line didnt finish it
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Happens with anyone. We played some good balls to him and he didn't finish them. One things for sure, last two seasons he was told to get on the end of things more rather than be a winger. Can't complain much though seeing how successful we were. Hopefully SAF will work his magic again. Now we're gonna base our play on different player(s).. Roon, Berba, Nani etc..


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premierleague.com dun have de.. been searching quite some time d
tried soccernet, but cant get any
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not those type, its like a table, that writes the date of fixture of ALL the games.


Added on August 30, 2009, 7:28 pmbtw where u guys get all these GIF images?
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GIF? www.redcafe.net

http://www.4thegame.com/matchcentre/premie...ason-table.html
A bit messy though.. kinda hard to read. Saw that kind of table long ago.. but can't remember where.


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oik, last nite gathering no pic meh?? or was it canceled last minute??
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oik, last nite gathering no pic meh?? or was it canceled last minute??
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QUOTE(Wan @ Aug 30 2009, 08:49 PM)
Happens with anyone. We played some good balls to him and he didn't finish them. One things for sure, last two seasons he was told to get on the end of things more rather than be a winger. Can't complain much though seeing how successful we were. Hopefully SAF will work his magic again. Now we're gonna base our play on different player(s).. Roon, Berba, Nani etc..


Added on August 30, 2009, 7:58 pmGIF? www.redcafe.net

http://www.4thegame.com/matchcentre/premie...ason-table.html
A bit messy though.. kinda hard to read. Saw that kind of table long ago.. but can't remember where.
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as lifeless as i am, i typed the whole table on excel, but its too long to print.. too long in length....

anyhow, heres one
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Added on August 30, 2009, 8:38 pmtrying to find one with empty for me to write on

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boo sama redscorpion .. lari again. asia cafe is good place to be. from lose to win la .. goal to offside .. superb place ... feng shui very good
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and that means corez and him are jinx. tongue.gif
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Is Sir Alex Ferguson still fighting with Rafa??
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Is Sir Alex Ferguson still fighting with Rafa??
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is tevez on the bench again???hahaha
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Added on August 30, 2009, 9:19 pmi don't remember much bout the match, but why is 5 minutes added as extra time? A lot of event meh?

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the injury time taken from both halves.. dun know why
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the news said man utd 1-1 arsenal..
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man utd vs arsenal 1 - 1 ?

I was shocked when i see it, i tot the penalty was reverted , and man utd win become draw tongue.gif
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Adebayor 3 Tevez 0

100% record for adebayor and citeh eh
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and still

owen 1 - tevez 0 rclxms.gif tongue.gif
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Adebayor 3 Tevez 0

100% record for adebayor and citeh eh
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QUOTE(nazman @ Aug 30 2009, 10:42 PM)
and still

owen 1 -  tevez 0  rclxms.gif  tongue.gif
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another 1-0 win for the multimillion spending club doh.gif

btw, tevez scored 1 in the mid week match already

cant remember wat match was that whistling.gif
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scoreline please?

that lizard looks cuter than judas 32.
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POR 0 - 1 MANC
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u meant this?
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brows.gif brows.gif

user posted image

btw, nice jersey nod.gif

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and they are wearing our colors.. hehe black red white.. maybe tevez confused man city wif man utd n hughes capitalised..

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got only one pic posted by arj in my thread
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Aug 30 2009, 08:50 PM)
boo sama redscorpion .. lari again. asia cafe is good place to be. from lose to win la .. goal to offside .. superb place ... feng shui very good
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If you look at the timing of the picture, it was during half time while we are trailing. Looks like Asia Cafe gives good vibes to us thumbup.gif
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abang corez, asiacafe using projector right? clear kah?
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game against spurs nak gath x?the oomph wont be as good as arsenal thou..bila chelsea pulak? tongue.gif
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LONDON, Aug 31 – Arsène Wenger has reopened hostilities between Manchester United and Arsenal by accusing the Premier League champions of using “anti-football” tactics during their 2-1 victory at Old Trafford on Saturday.

Wenger is to receive an official apology for being banished from the dugout but he remains incensed by the “Old Trafford-ish” standard of refereeing and his conviction that Sir Alex Ferguson’s players, predominantly Darren Fletcher, were guilty of systematic fouling.

After a period of relative calm between Wenger and Ferguson the allegations will go down badly at Old Trafford after a match in which Arsenal had six players booked, triggering an automatic £25,000 fine from the Football Association.

The conduct of Wenger’s players was also brought into question by Emmanuel Eboué being shown a yellow card for diving, a day after Eduardo da Silva had been charged by Uefa for “deceiving the referee” for a similar offence, but the Arsenal manager insisted the “bigger problem” in football was of players being allowed to get away with persistent and deliberate fouling – and he pointed an accusatory finger at Ferguson’s men.

“There are other points (than diving) that, for me, are more urgent – players who play only to make fouls and who are never punished; players who make repeated fouls and who get out of the game without a yellow card. That, for me, is more anti-football than a player who did what Eduardo did.”

Wenger was asked to clarify whether he meant Fletcher and laughed, replying with mock surprise: “Why do you say the name?” Fletcher had given away six free-kicks, twice as many as any of his team-mates, but was not one of the three United players to get a yellow card.

“I have seen a player who plays only on the pitch to make repeated fouls,” Wenger continued. “Look at how many deliberate fouls some players make and get away with. I think that’s a bigger problem (than diving) because it cuts the flow of the game. And people come and pay to see football. They do not come to see free kicks. You should ask the referees (how they get away with it).”

Wenger has accused Ferguson’s players of using similar tactics in the past, most notably saying his team had been “kicked off the pitch” at Old Trafford during the 2004-05 season.

It was put to him that he had previously suspected this was a deliberate part of United’s strategy. “You will have to ask them,” he replied.

On this occasion, however, the Frenchman may have opened himself to allegations of diversion tactics at a time when Eduardo and, to a lesser extent, Eboué have embarrassed the club. Robin van Persie also gave away six free-kicks even if, unlike Fletcher, he was booked.

The manager who has become infamous for his insistence that he did not see controversial incidents did, at least, recognise did recognise that Eboué had tried to win a free-kick by going down under a non-existent challenge, but there was no condemnation and, likewise, he continued to insist that Eduardo was the victim of a Uefa “witch-hunt.”

He said: “I think it is difficult with diving. Sometimes players dive to escape being hit. It’s not always necessarily diving because you want to dive. Sometimes it’s a way of getting out of the way. The borderline between being sensible, being shrewd or being a cheat is very slim so, in some cases, to assess which is which is very difficult.”

Arsenal, he insisted, were a club that did not tolerate diving. “I like that,” he said, when asked whether it mattered more in England than other countries. “I think it’s a quality in this country. In some countries it is a quality to dive. I’m still more proud to be part of England where they fight against that.”

The referee, Mike Dean, acting on the advice of the fourth official, Lee Probert, sent off Wenger in the final moments of Saturday’s game for kicking a water bottle in frustration after a disallowed goal.

However, the FA is unlikely to take disciplinary action. Instead, the League Managers’ Association chief executive, Richard Bevan, spoke to the Premier League referees’ chief, Keith Hackett, and was informed that Wenger would receive an apology.

“Although [the decision was] correct in law, it was completely out of context in the game and it was followed by the nonsense over where Wenger should sit,” Bevan said. “I’ve spoken to Keith Hackett and he fully recognises the situation was an error and an apology will follow. Lee Probert totally failed to manage the situation and created a needless pressure point, taking the focus away from the pitch in a big event with only a minute to go.”

Eduardo will discover on Tuesday whether Uefa is to ban him for the exaggerated fall that led to Arsenal winning a penalty in their 3-1 defeat of Celtic in last week’s Champions League qualifiers. Arsenal will fight his case and Wenger said the club had television pictures to prove that the forward had been touched by Celtic’s goalkeeper, Artur Boruc.

“Uefa have made the case of Eduardo. If you watch the Super Cup on Friday then they will have to charge (Lionel) Messi for headbutting or they will lose credibility. They have opened something there that over the weekend I’ll find you 50 situations where they can intervene, or if they don’t Eduardo will be singled out for being a wrong victim.

“I do not want Messi to be punished but, if they go for Eduardo, then people will demand it. Pedro, also of Barcelona, dived as well [in the Super Cup] and so I don’t think there’s any logic to Eduardo’s case. We have clear proof that from behind he was touched on his right leg.”

Wenger is suspicious about the number of Scots in prominent positions at Uefa and added: “There is no common sense. I believe it was a more emotional decision really because if Uefa had said before the season starts, ‘Listen, let’s get together and no matter what happens in Uefa games, if we suspect someone of diving he will be punished’ then you could say, OK, we’ve always been told they will do that. But suddenly, out from nowhere because it was an emotional situation in Scotland, we have this situation and have to live with that.” – Guardian



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Player Ratings – Manchester United 2-1 Arsenal

Foster – 7 - Should have done better for the goal, but redeemed himself with a point blank save from van Persie which kept us in the game at 1-0. Still not convinced he can be our number 1.

O’ Shea – 5 - Positioning poor on a couple of occasions. Didn’t really stand a chance against the excellent Arshavin.

Brown – 7 - Impressive performance after so long injured. He’s slowly finding his form again as has been shown by his England call up. I do feel he’s better as a right back though.

Vidic – 6 - Not his best game. Turned inside out by van Persie in the first half and failed to close Arshavin down for the goal.

Evra – 7 - Never seems to have a bad game. Excellent in defense and in attack as always.

Valencia – 6 - He kept it simple and didn’t try anything special. Could have attacked Clichy more and tried getting balls into the box, but a solid game nonetheless.

Fletcher – 8 - Excellent performance from the Scot. He’ has become our best midfielder this season. I’m still unsure whether that’s a good or bad thing.

Carrick – 5 - Shocking really. As simple as that. Needs to pull his finger out or face a long spell on the sidelines.

Giggs – 6 - Awful in the first half. Gave away possession time and again. Rating higher than it would be due to him having a hand in both goals.

Nani – 6 - His partnership with Evra on the left wing is developing well. Much of our good work (rare though it was) was done on the left flank.

Rooney – 7 - Very isolated up front but stuck to his task and won the penalty. Kept his nerve to equalize from the spot.
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QUOTE(redevil @ Aug 31 2009, 11:41 AM)
Player Ratings – Manchester United 2-1 Arsenal

Foster – 7 - Should have done better for the goal, but redeemed himself with a point blank save from van Persie which kept us in the game at 1-0. Still not convinced he can be our number 1.

O’ Shea – 5 - Positioning poor on a couple of occasions. Didn’t really stand a chance against the excellent Arshavin.

Brown – 7 - Impressive performance after so long injured. He’s slowly finding his form again as has been shown by his England call up. I do feel he’s better as a right back though.

Vidic – 6 - Not his best game. Turned inside out by van Persie in the first half and failed to close Arshavin down for the goal.

Evra – 7 - Never seems to have a bad game. Excellent in defense and in attack as always.

Valencia – 6 - He kept it simple and didn’t try anything special. Could have attacked Clichy more and tried getting balls into the box, but a solid game nonetheless.

Fletcher – 8 - Excellent performance from the Scot. He’ has become our best midfielder this season. I’m still unsure whether that’s a good or bad thing.

Carrick – 5 - Shocking really. As simple as that. Needs to pull his finger out or face a long spell on the sidelines.

Giggs – 6 - Awful in the first half. Gave away possession time and again. Rating higher than it would be due to him having a hand in both goals.

Nani – 6 - His partnership with Evra on the left wing is developing well. Much of our good work (rare though it was) was done on the left flank.

Rooney – 7 - Very isolated up front but stuck to his task and won the penalty. Kept his nerve to equalize from the spot.
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Your own rating? Carrick is nowhere near 5, he was very good and his best game this season.
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Your own rating? Carrick is nowhere near 5, he was very good and his best game this season.
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I've finally managed to give my own opinion on the game after internet deprived for the past 2 days. From what I've seen, we are no champions material YET but at least we still have the champions luck. I'm surprised with the 5 men midfield, but somehow that's expected from SAF who likes to cramp the midfield against the Top 4 in order to gain possession. But that leaves Rooney isolated upfront, he still unable to play the lone frontman yet but can see he's improving. It used to be Ronaldo in that role, as he has a strong header, speed and can attract the defenders to him and bringing others into the play.

Rooney tries his best to win headers and on few occassion he did. But no one was there supporting him, a role which I have expected Giggs to fill but his age has clearly caught up to him. At least last time Ronaldo has Rooney at his side which he can feed to, but I can see no one with Rooney on that role, no one has gone close to him perhaps Evra and Fletcher on some occasion. It's very disappointing to see Rooney trying his best yet no one understands him.

Another area that need to be work on is the right wing. Park did more in his 20 min cameo than Valencia. Valencia clearly need to work on the chemistry with the team, on countless occasion i see, there are only few link up play coming from Valencia and O'Shea, unlike Nani and Evra on the left. He still seem clueless cutting in from the right to the middle. Giggs first half performance was awful as well, stray passes or passes cut.

Fletcher is indeed bringing more influence to the team. I might be greedy but I do hope he can polish his scoring boots as well, he is able to run into spaces in the box but often his touch lets him down. Seriously we lacked of creativity at the moment and we are relying on Rooney too much. If he *touch wood* out, against more significant team we might struggle

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England squad list for next month's World Cup qualifier with Croatia.

Squad: Foster (Manchester United), Green (West Ham), Robinson (Blackburn), Johnson (Liverpool), Brown (Manchester United), Upson (West Ham), Terry (Chelsea, capt), Lescott (Manchester City), A Cole (Chelsea), Bridge (Manchester City), Wright-Phillips (Manchester City), Lennon (Tottenham), Beckham (Los Angeles Galaxy), Barry (Manchester City), Lampard (Chelsea), Carrick (Manchester United), Gerrard (Liverpool), A Young (Aston Villa), Milner (Aston Villa), Rooney (Manchester United), Heskey (Aston Villa), Defoe (Tottenham), C Cole (West Ham), Crouch (Tottenham).
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QUOTE(deora @ Aug 31 2009, 12:20 PM)
agree with u quite much..
but for me..

valencia - after seeing him play a few matches..i started to wonder whether is he REALLY good enuf to play for man utd..during the arsenal game..he kena attacked by other players more than he attack other players..GG...well..only time will tell

nani - eventhough many of u will still disagree with it..i still dont think the team can rely on him (yet?) ..always MIA when it matters the most (as usual)...zzz

berba - his '30mil' shot during the last few mins against arsenal makes me lol..who cares if he got nice touches when he cant even shoot..lol

yea..u might say when he and park came off the bench..our striking department look much 'sharper', for me..its more like arsenal are putting more men forwards and started to neglect their defensive department rather than our striking department turns 'sharper'

i wonder where's our midfield creativity goin to come from...and what will happen if rooney is injured...who's gonna drag the whole team up
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Replace Nani and Berba with Lennon and Defoe..?Why ? They are English, they are young ( 26 and below ), they are fast and they haven't bought by Manchester City yet
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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Aug 31 2009, 11:46 AM)
Your own rating? Carrick is nowhere near 5, he was very good and his best game this season.
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Didn't say much though, hardly do anything. Hopefully it's just a case of him being in that crappy form for a few weeks and then play like normal again.

QUOTE(shortleg88 @ Aug 31 2009, 12:04 PM)
I've finally managed to give my own opinion on the game after internet deprived for the past 2 days. From what I've seen, we are no champions material YET but at least we still have the champions luck. I'm surprised with the 5 men midfield, but somehow that's expected from SAF who likes to cramp the midfield against the Top 4 in order to gain possession. But that leaves Rooney isolated upfront, he still unable to play the lone frontman yet but can see he's improving. It used to be Ronaldo in that role, as he has a strong header, speed and can attract the defenders to him and bringing others into the play.

Rooney tries his best to win headers and on few occassion he did. But no one was there supporting him, a role which I have expected Giggs to fill but his age has clearly caught up to him. At least last time Ronaldo has Rooney at his side which he can feed to, but I can see no one with Rooney on that role, no one has gone close to him perhaps Evra and Fletcher on some occasion. It's very disappointing to see Rooney trying his best yet no one understands him.

Another area that need to be work on is the right wing. Park did more in his 20 min cameo than Valencia. Valencia clearly need to work on the chemistry with the team, on countless occasion i see, there are only few link up play coming from Valencia and O'Shea, unlike Nani and Evra on the left. He still seem clueless cutting in from the right to the middle. Giggs first half performance was awful as well, stray passes or passes cut.

Fletcher is indeed bringing more influence to the team. I might be greedy but I do hope he can polish his scoring boots as well, he is able to run into spaces in the box but often his touch lets him down. Seriously we lacked of creativity at the moment and we are relying on Rooney too much. If he *touch wood* out, against more significant team we might struggle
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I beg to differ. We have plenty of creative influence in the team. Giggs clearly is one.. but he was shocking that night. Ball got to him, we would always lose it/made the wrong decision/pass not quite there. He can rush things sometimes, which is his frustrating trait.. but generally he's fine there, but that night, god I wanted to kill him. Ando is another one..

Clearly Valencia is not in the groove yet. Showed good play in patches, but other times can be a bit clueless and not involved. Doesn't help when we keep on changing the RB every single game though. SAF, just stick with one! Stick Wes/Fabio there and be done with it.

QUOTE(deora @ Aug 31 2009, 12:20 PM)
agree with u quite much..
but for me..

valencia - after seeing him play a few matches..i started to wonder whether is he REALLY good enuf to play for man utd..during the arsenal game..he kena attacked by other players more than he attack other players..GG...well..only time will tell

nani - eventhough many of u will still disagree with it..i still dont think the team can rely on him (yet?) ..always MIA when it matters the most (as usual)...zzz

berba - his '30mil' shot during the last few mins against arsenal makes me lol..who cares if he got nice touches when he cant even shoot..lol

yea..u might say when he and park came off the bench..our striking department look much 'sharper', for me..its more like arsenal are putting more men forwards and started to neglect their defensive department rather than our striking department turns 'sharper'

i wonder where's our midfield creativity goin to come from...and what will happen if rooney is injured...who's gonna drag the whole team up
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It was an even contest I thought. They got their fair share of chances, so did we. Maybe our attacking side found more space in the end, but they didn't really found it easy either to breach us.

It was a bad shot by Berba, but he only got what, 15mins? Give him the whole game, he would contribute as much as the others if not more. I find your constant attack on Berba embarrassing for a so called fan.

It was a bad night by Giggsy, our creative outlet in that game.. the others played their part, and Giggsy didn't do his that night. Big deal. One bad game, and we have no creativity? Ando, Scholesy, and Carrick when he's in form do provide them.
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I'm not sure the big games is a good judge whether we have the necessary creativity influence in the team or not, because generally big games are tight affairs. Defenders rather than strikers getting the goals, tactics, teams canceling each other out, mistakes etc.

Ronaldo wasn't that great creativity wise. He was never known for that part of his game. It was all about dribbling, movement, and scoring goals. 3-4 seasons with the same squad minus Ronaldo this season and we lack creativity.. if that was the case, we would have gotten one last few seasons, but we still stick with the same midfield almost. We don't have 'the best' there, sure, but we don't lack them.
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I'm not sure the big games is a good judge whether we have the necessary creativity influence in the team or not, because generally big games are tight affairs. Defenders rather than strikers getting the goals, tactics, teams canceling each other out, mistakes etc.

Ronaldo wasn't that great creativity wise. He was never known for that part of his game. It was all about dribbling, movement, and scoring goals. 3-4 seasons with the same squad minus Ronaldo this season and we lack creativity.. if that was the case, we would have gotten one last few seasons, but we still stick with the same midfield almost. We don't have 'the best' there, sure, but we don't lack them.
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what we lack now is the chemistry between new and old players, badly miss those deadly combo between rooney and ronaldo....hopefully nani will fill in the blank, and Valencia will gel in ASAP.....

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Two weeks without football after we got a taste of it after so long.. I hate International breaks. Stupid distraction(for me), although it is a must.
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The Gunners' boss launched a thinly veiled attack on United midfielder Darren Fletcher, who he claims is in the team purely to make tackles and is the chief culprit.

However, the match stats show that out of the seven players who committed the most fouls, five were from Arsenal.

Source : http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=4716


WTF?? arsene dint check stats before opening his mouth -.-
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Just curious, who passed the ball to Rooney where Almunia fouled him. It happened too fast
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same old .. same old.

Wouldn't be bothered much. Le Arse fans and Voyeur can bising all they want. The fact that their team cracked when it mattered the most, shows. They tend to forget that if that Fletcher's tackle counted, Arshavin won't be scoring that goal. Foster might save the penalty.

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Just curious, who passed the ball to Rooney where Almunia fouled him. It happened too fast
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i actually said bodo when i saw that pass payed to rooney..seemed to far and impossible to chase..but then..ive learnt my lesson..never question giggs until the ball goes out of play.. ;p
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He had lots of chances to put our players through.. fail almost every time. That was how frustrating he was.


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lol Eboue got the "YO ref WTF wats that?!" face....
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He had lots of chances to put our players through.. fail almost every time. That was how frustrating he was.


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I really thought Evra was off that time seeing the ref blew the whistle that time and the camera focused on Evra who seemed to 'walk away' right away.. thank god for Eboue..  rclxms.gif
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A born entertainer with a penchant for the unpredictable, the 28-year-old striker admits he and his colleagues relish every chance to wow the Old Trafford crowd. We recently caught up with the Bulgarian at United's Carrington training ground...


Dimitar, you’ve looked very sharp in the early part of this season. Has it helped to have a pre-season campaign and some stability, as opposed to last summer’s last-minute move to United?
It has. Pre-season is important to every player and I think now we are ready for the long season ahead. Again we are going for everything there is to win, like every year. We have a good squad. I don’t need to introduce anybody – everybody knows what Manchester United players are capable of, so we are ready to go again.

How big a relief was it to get off the mark at Wigan?
It was a relief, it is always good to start scoring. Plus, I prefer to score beautiful goals than ugly goals, and this one was really nice. I was going for the ball and aiming to catch it before him [Wigan goalkeeper Chris Kirkland]. I did it and I was thinking: 'Now I’m going to smash it in the net!' It turns out I didn’t catch it so well, but it still ended up in the net. A goal is a goal!

How highly do you rate Wayne Rooney and Michael Owen, your fellow senior strikers?
What can you say about Wayne? He’s been here for so many years, playing top football and it’s amazing that he’s only 23. When he reaches around 28, he’ll be even better. We see in training, and you can see in games, the unbelievable passion he has for football. As for Michael Owen, he won the Ballon d’Or – that says everything. I think Sir Alex was right to bring him here and he will have the chances to score many goals for us.

You’re three very different strikers – are you learning from one another?
I don’t think you stop learning until you quit football. With all the talents we have in Manchester United, they do stuff that sometimes I honestly cannot do – and I don’t even try to do because I would look like a fool! Sometimes you want to try new stuff, you see people doing things and you ask them about it. You learn from each other. To develop, you have to.

What about Danny Welbeck and Kiko Macheda?
I think they have bright, maybe even great, futures. But if they want to achieve that then I think the only man they have to listen to is the boss. They have the potential, that’s why they’re here. If you want to achieve something you need to develop that talent. The place to do that is right here, under the boss.

What have you made of United’s start to the season?
Sometimes it takes time to start well. Against Birmingham we were probably at 70 percent, then that loss against Burnley was devastating and hurt everybody. But we struck back well against Wigan.

Was the Arsenal game the sort of match the team relishes?
It’s always good to play against your rivals for the title. The way Arsenal have started this season has been unbelievable. They have scored many goals and have players who are very technically gifted. That’s what is good about them; they play good football and move the ball around quickly. Arsene Wenger has been here so long, and he has a talent for developing young players into superstars.

Last season United’s record against other members of the ‘big four’ was one win from six games. Is that something the players are aiming to rectify this season?
It is. We didn’t do well against them, but in the end we were champions. If you ask any of the other sides which they would prefer, to beat the big teams or be champions, what do you think they would say? The main goal is to win the Premier League again. We did it last year and I think we’ll also improve our results against our rivals, but in the end it’s all about winning the Premier League.

Is it true that you’re perhaps the biggest movie buff in the United squad?
Everybody in the team watches a lot of movies, but with me it is a real hobby. When you are a foreign player in another country sometimes you have a lot of time on your hands. I am always watching movies at home. If I wanted to, I could open a video store with my DVDs! At the moment, though, I am more into watching TV shows. I watch House and Entourage, and I’m waiting for the new series of Heroes and Lost. My favourite is House, I never miss an episode.


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He had lots of chances to put our players through.. fail almost every time. That was how frustrating he was.


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I really thought Evra was off that time seeing the ref blew the whistle that time and the camera focused on Evra who seemed to 'walk away' right away.. thank god for Eboue..  rclxms.gif
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He had lots of chances to put our players through.. fail almost every time. That was how frustrating he was.


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I really thought Evra was off that time seeing the ref blew the whistle that time and the camera focused on Evra who seemed to 'walk away' right away.. thank god for Eboue..  rclxms.gif
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thats pure disgusting to watch really...we had our fair shares of diving but this is ridiculous!
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u guys have got to see the one on gerrard diving..seriously i never thought i could actually 'laugh the shit out of myself' .. laugh.gif
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Rooney conned the keeper not the ref..
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QUOTE(eXcalibur8 @ Aug 31 2009, 10:48 PM)
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Please check out Gerrard Lim's Liverpool Diary!

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i think the best gerrard dive was the one where he missed his volley and then pretend someone tackled him...

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Please check out Gerrard Lim's Liverpool Diary!

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are u the blog owner? or is the blog owner a member of lowyat too?

have to check around first before i kutuk kaw2 laugh.gif
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are u the blog owner? or is the blog owner a member of lowyat too?

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if he is the blog owner i dont think he will happily post the link to his own idiocy lol but can be done too, if ure making a fake liverpool fan, just wanna bash them n create dat blog, at first show that u love pool so much then BAM dat post hahahaha

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To be honest, his decision making that night was awful. Luckily for us that Rooney took the chance when he saw Almunia running out..
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i think everyone was playing below par except for rooney and fletcher the monster. to many squad rotations in center midfield, which effect the flow of our football. Fergie must stick with a first pair of center midfielders rather than change it up every game. Fergie needs to be careful not to follow Rafa's mistakes a few seasons ago in squad rotations.
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i dont think fergie is rotating but rather trying to find the perfect combination that will form the engine room for our team for the rest of the season..and fletcher looks set to make that position his if he continues his good form..so the other slot will be for either carrick,anderson and scholes..a healthy competition i guess?
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probably at the end of sept, but he hasnt played for a while , cant rush him sweat.gif

I rate him highly, but whts with the bad injury.. cry.gif

when we have him + fletch + ando = solid mudfield!! rclxm9.gif

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i think everyone was playing below par except for rooney and fletcher the monster. to many squad rotations in  center midfield, which effect the flow of our football. Fergie must stick with a first pair of center midfielders rather than change it up every game. Fergie needs to be careful not to follow Rafa's mistakes a few seasons ago in squad rotations.
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Right now it's Fletcher and another one. Everyone else seems to be off form though, maybe apart from Scholes. Don't think Scholes suits these type of games anymore, and in a 3 man midfield he usually doesn't shine that much. Big game, 3 in the middle, we went with Fletcher, Carrick and Giggs.

The place next to Fletcher should be Carrick's.. but he need to find his form first. Lack that bit of creativity compared to other pairings combination, but that would be a balanced midfield. If we need that bit more oomph to open teams up, bring one of Giggs/Scholes for one of them. Ando could fill that up too.. really hope he plays like the end of last season.
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scholes playing as a real attacking midfield and not a central one, with fletcher and anderson covering his back.

then we can use the 4-5-1 formation with rooney in front.

that would be interesting smile.gif
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QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Sep 1 2009, 05:16 AM)
scholes playing as a real attacking midfield and not a central one, with fletcher and anderson covering his back.

then we can use the 4-5-1 formation with rooney in front.

that would be interesting smile.gif
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QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Sep 1 2009, 05:16 AM)
scholes playing as a real attacking midfield and not a central one, with fletcher and anderson covering his back.

then we can use the 4-5-1 formation with rooney in front.

that would be interesting smile.gif
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i think united should stick with 4-4-2 with 2 striker up front. we need more player who hv the abililty to score on the pitch.
our midfiled seem not quite hv the ability. rooney style all these year aint suit him to be a lone striker. futhermore we need strong AM/SS to play this kind of formation.

dont like how we play against arsenal.. the line up, formation, style of play. its seem like united playing not to lose rather than to win whistling.gif
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right now Fletcher is a must in the team, the other players that playing midfield who combined with him giving SAF headache i think.

Ando and Carrick must up to the task, so far they failed imo.
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i think united should stick with 4-4-2 with 2 striker up front. we need more player who hv the abililty to score on the pitch.
our midfiled seem not quite hv the ability. rooney style all these year aint suit him to be a lone striker. futhermore we need strong AM/SS to play this kind of formation.

dont like how we play against arsenal.. the line up, formation, style of play. its seem like united playing not to lose rather than to win  whistling.gif
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We won 3-1 at their place. Nobody seem to complain about the formation then. What's different this time? It was just a bad performance for most players, Giggsy especially. On another night, he would have played better, and created chances compared to that night when he always gets into good position to do something with a pass, but always mess them up. That formation I would saw would be crap against the normal/smaller sides, but against the big sides, is almost a must if we don't want to be overrun in midfield. It's just the way it is. Even Arsenal flood their midfield with CMs.. Song, Denilson, Diaby + Eboue..

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probably at the end of sept, but he hasnt played for a while , cant rush him sweat.gif

I rate him highly, but whts with the bad injury.. cry.gif

when we have him + fletch + ando = solid mudfield!! rclxm9.gif

btw i am new here, did only posting on playstation section before... sweat.gif
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Anyhoo, we are known for being the slow starters though. It is pretty much the same as last season when people and pundits writing us off early in the season. If the players are in form, the team could beat even Barcelona. They are the benchmark nowadays.

So, I'm gonna be patient and wait till January. We will always pick up our form around that time. Regardless, I do hope we won't be left out of the race before then. Teams are a lot stronger these days. Chelsea, Spurs and City are keeping their 100% record at the moment. Despite of 1-nil wins. We were like that, last season, weren't we?

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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 1 2009, 01:12 PM)
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We won 3-1 at their place. Nobody seem to complain about the formation then. What's different this time? It was just a bad performance for most players, Giggsy especially. On another night, he would have played better, and created chances compared to that night when he always gets into good position to do something with a pass, but always mess them up. That formation I would saw would be crap against the normal/smaller sides, but against the big sides, is almost a must if we don't want to be overrun in midfield. It's just the way it is. Even Arsenal flood their midfield with CMs.. Song, Denilson, Diaby + Eboue..

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i dont like it back then also.. and against barca. we are playing at home this time. looking at style and formation like i said united looking more like dont want to lose rather than looking for a win. very happy for the wins but do we really deserve it like last time. for me united got lucky to get 3 point. differrent this time will be the line up. back then although we play with 1 striker we hv more player with ability to score on the pitch (ron n roon). also this time there nani and valencia on the pitch. nani and valencia more a winger and i believe its best to play 4-4-2 with a winger. park n rooney also can play inside. its just my view.. whistling.gif
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i dont like it back then also.. and against barca. we are playing at home this time. looking at style and formation like i said united looking more like dont want to lose rather than looking for a win. very happy for the wins but do we really deserve it like last time. for me united got lucky to get 3 point. differrent this time will be the line up. back then although we play with 1 striker we hv more player with ability to score on the pitch (ron n roon). also this time there nani and valencia on the pitch. nani and valencia more a winger and i believe its best to play 4-4-2 with a winger. park n rooney also can play inside. its just my view..   whistling.gif
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We all know that 4-4-2 is our best bet. No doubt. You have to have this in mind, LUCK plays part in every match. Take a good look at Owen's goal against Wigan the other day. It hit the inside of the post and went in. Nani's FK. Kirkland was nowhere around. It boils down to luck.

You can play as good as you can be, but without luck you can't score any. I am content with 4-5-1 formation against big teams. It should be interchangeable to 4-3-3 as our wingers to support our only CF/ST. It bring assurance to the midfield. These days, apart from Fletcher, I don't think others could step up to play that box-to-box midfielder role.

He is our hardman nowadays. It was supposed to be Hargo. But he found that nurses are too cute to resist. So, lets just wait then? Shall we?

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We all know that 4-4-2 is our best bet. No doubt. You have to have this in mind, LUCK plays part in every match. Take a good look at Owen's goal against Wigan the other day. It hit the inside of the post and went in. Nani's FK. Kirkland was nowhere around. It boils down to luck.

You can play as good as you can be, but without luck you can't score any. I am content with 4-5-1 formation against big teams. It should be interchangeable to 4-3-3 as our wingers to support our only CF/ST. It bring assurance to the midfield. These days, apart from Fletcher, I don't think others could step up to play that box-to-box midfielder role.

He is our hardman nowadays. It was supposed to be Hargo. But he found that nurses are too cute to resist. So, lets just wait then? Shall we?
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no doubt LUCK will always be part of the game.. but there is bigger thing and among them will be ability,tactic,teamwork,determination,workrate.. LUCK is pretty much the last thing u can hope for. owen goal a luck? nani FK a luck? dont think so.. it pretty much more quality of ability. owen hv done it many times before and i believe nani also hv done it before.. he wont be the chosen one take the FK if he dont hv the ability. kirkland nowhere around coz he positioning is not good enaugh.. thats not LUCK.

playing good than hope for some LUCK always better than play bad or just play then hope for some LUCK. diaby own goal thats LUCK. penalty goal also need some LUCK. if it wasnt coz of fletcher hardwork n determination especially on 2nd half the tactic could be a complete failure. defence also good as always.. and that aint LUCK smile.gif

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Ferguson rules out any last-minute arrivals at Utd

Sir Alex Ferguson has ruled out any last-minute arrivals at Manchester United before the transfer window slams shut after pledging to "trust" the players currently at his disposal.

Although it seems as if that faith was shaken by United's defeat at Burnley two weeks ago, Ferguson is adamant that he does not need to spend the money remaining from the £80m sale of Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid.

"After the Burnley game, I examined our commitment, but after analysing our failings, I didn't think we were lacking in that area," Ferguson told The Independent. "I must always guard against complacency. Some players can drive themselves on while others are happy to settle for an easy life, but Manchester United cannot afford that kind of player

"We took a lot of flak after the Burnley game, and there was no shortage of suggestions as to what I should do - for example, dashing out to pay through the nose for a big-name signing. The bulk of the £80 million we got for Ronaldo is still there and seems to be burning a hole in the pockets of a lot of fans.

"But you don't suddenly scrap your transfer policy because of one defeat, even if it was a bad one. I have explained our strategy, based on my confidence in our squad with a few new faces, existing players maturing and eager beavers on the way up, and I have no intention of abandoning it. I know we have the right squad and I trust them."

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Ferguson rules out any last-minute arrivals at Utd

Sir Alex Ferguson has ruled out any last-minute arrivals at Manchester United before the transfer window slams shut after pledging to "trust" the players currently at his disposal.

Although it seems as if that faith was shaken by United's defeat at Burnley two weeks ago, Ferguson is adamant that he does not need to spend the money remaining from the £80m sale of Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid.

"After the Burnley game, I examined our commitment, but after analysing our failings, I didn't think we were lacking in that area," Ferguson told The Independent. "I must always guard against complacency. Some players can drive themselves on while others are happy to settle for an easy life, but Manchester United cannot afford that kind of player

"We took a lot of flak after the Burnley game, and there was no shortage of suggestions as to what I should do - for example, dashing out to pay through the nose for a big-name signing. The bulk of the £80 million we got for Ronaldo is still there and seems to be burning a hole in the pockets of a lot of fans.

"But you don't suddenly scrap your transfer policy because of one defeat, even if it was a bad one. I have explained our strategy, based on my confidence in our squad with a few new faces, existing players maturing and eager beavers on the way up, and I have no intention of abandoning it. I know we have the right squad and I trust them."

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big signings are signs of a big club dont u think?putting man city aside..to be honest im slightly disappointed by the lack of signings after ronaldo left..
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why do we need new signing when the team is complete?

everybody last season up to the task and make SAF headache to choose the players

and this season some of the players still not up to the task, but i believe they will up to the task

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im just worried that the likes of anderson,nani and valencia might take too long to step up..valencia hasnt been showing much promises at the moment although its still too early to judge..and with carricks dip of form..it does get scary..
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The link below is a sample if u don't get wat i mean.
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im just worried that the likes of anderson,nani and valencia might take too long to step up..valencia hasnt been showing much promises at the moment although its still too early to judge..and with carricks dip of form..it does get scary..
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why now?

remember when Ronaldo 1st season here, here is damn clumsy and suck

the next season he start to shine gradually and become 80m boy

so i guess, we need patient and no need to press panic button, season is long and this time its tough too with the like citeh and spurs showing that they r serious contender too for top 3 spot!
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why now?

remember when Ronaldo 1st season here, here is damn clumsy and suck


the next season he start to shine gradually and become 80m boy

so i guess, we need patient and no need to press panic button, season is long and this time its tough too with the like citeh and spurs showing that they r serious contender too for top 3 spot!
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i dont like it back then also.. and against barca. we are playing at home this time. looking at style and formation like i said united looking more like dont want to lose rather than looking for a win. very happy for the wins but do we really deserve it like last time. for me united got lucky to get 3 point. differrent this time will be the line up. back then although we play with 1 striker we hv more player with ability to score on the pitch (ron n roon). also this time there nani and valencia on the pitch. nani and valencia more a winger and i believe its best to play 4-4-2 with a winger. park n rooney also can play inside. its just my view..  whistling.gif
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You didn't like the 3-1 win? or the other games where we look very good against them in that particular formation? It was just a bad night with players off form.. Giggsy particularly who was our main creative force in that game. He messed up big time. Our only other option for his role that night was Anderson, who's not in great form himself. Last option is of course to go with 442 early if we're desperate. We might be more threatening, but we would leave ourselves open at the back and easy for them to dominate us in the middle with their extra men there.

As for more people scoring them, Nani is pretty good at cutting in inside. That's one of his trait although he's no Ronaldo of course. And Park as good as he is cutting inside, is crap in front of goal. Didn't score that many. Like I said, on another night, it could have turned out into a great night for us. Giggsy had a lot of chances to put our players through, or make great plays, but almost every single time, it didn't came off for him in the first half especially. We may have been lucky, but with the chances we had at the end, Arsenal were lucky as well it didn't turn into a bigger scoreline. It's a fine line between success and failure, and that night we got the better of the deal. That's just the way it is. Nobody is really happy of course not winning comfortably, but big games are usually tight affairs.

Being early on in the season also didn't help matters. And having to change tactics since the departure of Ronaldo and having a new RW in the side, meant that we won't be hitting it off consistently.

I'm still surprised people still have this idea that 442 will just work every single game. We struggled there with Keane and Scholes after 99, and they are the best combo's around that time. We know how much of a monster Keane was, yet we didn't really hit the heights of 99 till last few years where the 433/451 have served us really well in the big games, with 442 for the normal/smaller games although sometimes used in the big games as well. We don't have a Keano now. No team plays with a straight 442 anymore for all type of games. Either they play with extra men/man in the middle or switch between that and some other formation for normal games.

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big signings are signs of a big club dont u think?putting man city aside..to be honest im slightly disappointed by the lack of signings after ronaldo left..
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It's not about big signings. It's about getting the right players for the squad. We only needed a third striker which we got in Owen. Although we chased Benzema, it was kind of a special case seeing he was still young for a striker and maybe someone we have to try and get our hands on. Didn't work out(Real factor), and that's the end of it and we turn to Owen. Not a bad striker to have as backups to our main duo.

Obviously Ronaldo leaving left a big hole for us to fill up. But every other winger bar Ribery(Real factor)/Messi wouldn't be able to close that hole completely. Guess from the list we have, we went with Valencia who we identified last year which is not a bad signing at all and proven in the league. Obviously he needs to work on some part of his game, but he's a good winger already, just need to fine tune a few stuff and he'll be a very good winger for us. He didn't have that much chance to cross the ball in all our official games so far, but when does, expect our players to get on the end of them a lot of times. He's fantastic at that.

QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 1 2009, 07:19 PM)
im just worried that the likes of anderson,nani and valencia might take too long to step up..valencia hasnt been showing much promises at the moment although its still too early to judge..and with carricks dip of form..it does get scary..
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Anderson will take a while. We just have to hope he plays well more consistently. Anderson 21 years old vs Fletcher 25 years old. It was only last few seasons Fletcher really won over his critics, and my guess is Ando will take the same path too, give or take a year or two. CMs generally get into their own world around the 25 mark except for a few freaks who's special enough to dominate there since they were born almost.

Nani is showing signs of him grown up so far. Valencia look really good in pre-season. We played what, five games now? Too early to judge. Chelsea, we first half, the had the better 2nd half, Birmingham decent start, struggle to break them down, Burnley, wrong time to do the rotation although given the amount of games the players had that time, maybe some needed the rest, Wigan decent first half, great 2nd half.. Arsenal lucky. If there was one winger who SAF rates, is far better than what we have, within his budget, and don't have Real Madrid markings on them, SAF would have gotten them already.

Remember about that 'form is temporary, class is permanent'? Carrick have been very good since he came here. And he does have this crappy spell of form too in each one of the seasons. Scholes look pretty good though alongside Fletcher. He was crappy last season. That's a plus I guess. January will better time to judge this squad and how we'll fare. Just be patient. It will come, as we generally shown over the years. Slow starters. Though one can only hope Rooney would be healthy for most of the season. 5 goals already? Doa2 kan lah dia nih stay healthy time terawih(or for the others in their own way!)/
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Seems like Rooney has been in the papers for quite a while, being United and England's X-Factor. Anyways, it's gonna be a quiet weekend again, unless u're into WC'10 qualifier games
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wan, i'm going to pitch in my view on this 442/451 topic a little bit...
no offense to your view so it's just basically my POV on the formation that was dished out the other night

correct, 442 wouldn't work in every match, and 451 could be as effective as 442 IF ONLY your centre midfielders are having a smack of a game - controlling the mid and distributing the ball like gods that is. unfortunately not the case against Arsenal with the exception of Fletcher of course.

Rooney is not known to be as effective as he is when you give him a partner upfront. You have to admit he looks isolated when he was there all alone.
That being said - if Carrick played as good as Fletcher was (I think Carrick was the worst player in our jersey that night), i had no drama at all with 451 at all

Again, just my humble little pitiful 2 cents here. As usual, who am i to criticise SAF's tactical capabilities eh?
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The X Factor, the second biggest show on TV, started up again this weekend, and it reminded me of a conversation I once had with Simon Cowell. 'What IS the X Factor?' I asked him. 'No idea,' he laughed. 'Seriously?' 'Well, it's not easy to define exactly what it is. I suppose it's when someone has 'it', whatever 'it' is. I always know it when I see it.'

It's tempting, given the easy 5-0 victory by Manchester United yesterday, to assume they already have it in abundance. Tempting, but wrong.

Thrashing a weak, disorganised, team like Wigan means little in the general scheme of things. United will comfortably win many such games this season, of course they will. They are too rich a club, and have too many good players, not to.

But they won't win the Premier League or Champions League unless Sir Alex Ferguson gets his chequebook out and buys himself the X Factor that disappeared when Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez left the building. And I can't for the life of me work out why he isn't.

He's got £80million in the bank from Real Madrid, enough to buy 10 good players if he wants, or four very good ones, or a couple of sensational ones. Yet, in one of his now familiar bouts of pure Glaswegian stubbornness, he insists: 'We won't be making any more signings. That's it. I have made the point, and I am sure of it. This is a great group of players.'

All growled in his usual unpleasantly arrogant manner towards a journalist who had the audacity to ask him a perfectly obvious, justifiable question. (I admire Ferguson hugely, but I do loathe how he bullies so many of my fellow hacks. If he was that rude to me, I'd tweak his bulbous nose.)

Stubbornness is usually a good thing in sport. And there's nobody in the history of football more stubborn than Sir Alex. Which is why he's been this country's most successful ever manager. He knows what he wants, and what he wants usually works. But his blunt refusal to re-invest the Ronaldo money is shortsighted and, in my view, plain dumb. Sir Alex will argue that United's excellent performance yesterday proves he's right to say this squad is good enough to maintain his extraordinary silverware streak. I beg to differ.

You only had to see what happened when United won that penalty against Burnley last week to work out where the problem lies. In the good old days, wild horses wouldn't have torn a Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham or Cantona from gleefully seizing the ball and marching straight to the spot. They were Top Dogs, and knew no fear.

But none of United's supposedly biggest players - Rooney, Owen etc - fancied it. So, instead, the hapless Michael Carrick was forced to shuffle reluctantly into the fray, missed, and cost United at least a draw.

This one incident showed me that Sir Alex's men are missing the X Factor. They just don't have anyone prepared, or equipped, to step into Ronaldo's shoes. And unless their boss accepts this, and goes against the habit of a lifetime by changing his mind and buying big before the end of the transfer window, then they are not going to have it back again this season.

If United want to win anything, I reckon they need a new top grade striker (Owen will score goals, but only play 20 games, and Berbatov's too lazy), a midfield playmaker and a world-class goalkeeper. Which should cost about . . . well, £80 million, ironically.

That's the price of acquiring the X Factor in the new world order of absurd, moneyspinning modern football. So, if I was a United fan, I'd stop screaming my delight at annihilating a pathetic Wigan, and start screaming at my manager: 'Stop being so damn stubborn and get your wallet out.'

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wan, i'm going to pitch in my view on this 442/451 topic a little bit...
no offense to your view so it's just basically my POV on the formation that was dished out the other night

correct, 442 wouldn't work in every match, and 451 could be as effective as 442 IF ONLY your centre midfielders are having a smack of a game - controlling the mid and distributing the ball like gods that is. unfortunately not the case against Arsenal with the exception of Fletcher of course.

Rooney is not known to be as effective as he is when you give him a partner upfront. You have to admit he looks isolated when he was there all alone.
That being said - if Carrick played as good as Fletcher was (I think Carrick was the worst player in our jersey that night), i had no drama at all with 451 at all

Again, just my humble little pitiful 2 cents here. As usual, who am i to criticise SAF's tactical capabilities eh?
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True that. But there's no point going to a 442 and shoot ourselves in the foot by letting them dominate the game. That's the only reason I can think of going 433/451, to give ourselves a chance, at least matched them up in midfield in terms of numbers. Proved successful in the past a lot of times against them(last season CL, season before that in the FA Cup and lots of matches way before that), although it's pretty even, won some, lose some, drew some. Hey, even Arsenal go to that route last few seasons in the CL especially, but this season seem to start with a 433 in the league too. One striker, two wingers supporting him, and 3 in midfield.

Don't think Carrick was that bad. He was steady but invisible and didn't offer much. Giggs was involved, and he was really bad. That's why the front 3 was quiet, not as effective. On another night, things could have turn out differently if at least two of those passes/plays Giggsy was gonna play that night that didn't work out actually work out as planned. Only other alternative for that role is Ando who's not in form himself. Could go back to a 442 of course, but we didn't want to take any chances I guess until the end when Arsenal push men forward. Had a lot of chances at the end, but messed them up one by one. Just reflected the type of game we were in.. almost nothing works out for us.
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You didn't like the 3-1 win? or the other games where we look very good against them in that particular formation? It was just a bad night with players off form.. Giggsy particularly who was our main creative force in that game. He messed up big time. Our only other option for his role that night was Anderson, who's not in great form himself. Last option is of course to go with 442 early if we're desperate. We might be more threatening, but we would leave ourselves open at the back and easy for them to dominate us in the middle with their extra men there.

As for more people scoring them, Nani is pretty good at cutting in inside. That's one of his trait although he's no Ronaldo of course. And Park as good as he is cutting inside, is crap in front of goal. Didn't score that many. Like I said, on another night, it could have turned out into a great night for us. Giggsy had a lot of chances to put our players through, or make great plays, but almost every single time, it didn't came off for him in the first half especially. We may have been lucky, but with the chances we had at the end, Arsenal were lucky as well it didn't turn into a bigger scoreline. It's a fine line between success and failure, and that night we got the better of the deal. That's just the way it is. Nobody is really happy of course not winning comfortably, but big games are usually tight affairs.

Being early on in the season also didn't help matters. And having to change tactics since the departure of Ronaldo and having a new RW in the side, meant that we won't be hitting it off consistently.

I'm still surprised people still have this idea that 442 will just work every single game. We struggled there with Keane and Scholes after 99, and they are the best combo's around that time. We know how much of a monster Keane was, yet we didn't really hit the heights of 99 till last few years where the 433/451 have served us really well in the big games, with 442 for the normal/smaller games although sometimes used in the big games as well. We don't have a Keano now. No team plays with a straight 442 anymore for all type of games. Either they play with extra men/man in the middle or switch between that and some other formation for normal games.

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yeah i dont like the 3-1 win and when united play good doh.gif
as i said before i dont like the formation.. and also the line up for the 2-1 win.
but i do support SAF for the tactic coz who know how the game gonna be or whether the tactic will work or not on the first place.. what dissapoint me will be the decision to stick with it on the 2nd half when clearly it doesnt work. for me giggs aint that bad that night. carrick was the worst one.. wonder if he even got to the pitch. valencia also pretty bad, running here and there for nothing but do got lots of determination.was hoping for scholes/park/ando to come early on 2nd half with owen/berba earlier.

yes it could be bigger win.. but that happen coz arsenal started to open and pressing more forward desperate for a goal. was hoping for good performance rather than comfortably win or big wins. it surprised me more that some people still hv the idea of some people hv the idea 4-4-2 will work every single game whistling.gif
only said i prefer we play 4-4-2 against arsenal with more player as goalscorer threat on the pitch

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yeah i dont like the 3-1 win and when united play good  doh.gif
as i said before i dont like the formation.. and also the line up for the 2-1 win.
but i do support SAF for the tactic coz who know how the game gonna be or whether the tactic will work or not on the first place.. what dissapoint me will be the decision to stick with it on the 2nd half when clearly it doesnt work. for me giggs aint that bad that night. carrick was the worst one.. wonder if he even got to the pitch. valencia also pretty bad, running here and there for nothing but do got lots of determination.was hoping for scholes/park/ando to come early on 2nd with owen/berba earlier.

yes it could be bigger win.. but that happen coz arsenal started to open and pressing more forward desperate for a goal. was hoping for good performance rather than comfortably win or big wins. it surprised me more that some people still hv the idea of some people hv the idea 4-4-2 will work every single game whistling.gif
only said i prefer we play 4-4-2 against arsenal with more player as goalscorer threat on the pitch
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Huh? People need to wake up and face the reality. Almost every team have around 3 CMs in the middle these days. We might get away against the smaller sides, but against teams as good as us, we won't have it all our own way if we just have two in the middle. It might work sometimes(Chelsea last season), but it won't work all the time. CL final where we won against Chelsea. 442 first half.. we were great, but 2nd half, we lost it in the middle. Keano-Scholes.. failed after 99. That's why SAF experimented with 451/4231/433 and getting Veron and whatnot all those years ago. It wasn't pretty, and in normal games outside the big games, it was a pretty boring tactic for us.. didn't work for us like it did for the other teams. But last few seasons we seem to went back with the tried and trusted 442, and only use 433 in the big games which work out quite well.

We could have turn to 442 earlier of course, but guess SAF didn't want to take the chances with the game still in the balance. Seem to be justified seeing we got those two goals, lucky or not. tongue.gif If the 442 was our best option, we would have started that way. But we didn't. And the last few seasons that's been the case for almost all the big games. 433 does work, and it doesn't mean if we go that way, we'll be defensive, unless it's a CL game where the game is not to concede and nick a goal somewhere. The Arsenal game was just a case of players playing badly. Like I said, if Giggs play a gear better that night, and half the plays he messed up actually work like it usually does, it would have turn out differently, and who knows, maybe the game would have been comfortable for us? Park.. guess he got buried somewhere after that Burnley game along with Ando and Carrick, and only Carrick managed to claw his way through the grave.
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True that. But there's no point going to a 442 and shoot ourselves in the foot by letting them dominate the game But there's no point going to a 442 and shoot ourselves in the foot by letting them dominate the game. That's the only reason I can think of going 433/451, to give ourselves a chance, at least matched them up in midfield in terms of numbers. Proved successful in the past a lot of times against them(last season CL, season before that in the FA Cup and lots of matches way before that), although it's pretty even, won some, lose some, drew some. Hey, even Arsenal go to that route last few seasons in the CL especially, but this season seem to start with a 433 in the league too. One striker, two wingers supporting him, and 3 in midfield.

Don't think Carrick was that bad. He was steady but invisible and didn't offer much. Giggs was involved, and he was really bad. That's why the front 3 was quiet, not as effective. On another night, things could have turn out differently if at least two of those passes/plays Giggsy was gonna play that night that didn't work out actually work out as planned. Only other alternative for that role is Ando who's not in form himself. Could go back to a 442 of course, but we didn't want to take any chances I guess until the end when Arsenal push men forward. Had a lot of chances at the end, but messed them up one by one. Just reflected the type of game we were in.. almost nothing works out for us.
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But Wan, you'll never know if we played 442 that night. Maybe we will be better? Maybe the ball distribution from midfield to forward will is better as we have one player supporting Rooney (or vice versa)? Plus, we are playing at OT.


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But Wan, you'll never know if we played 442 that night. Maybe we will be better? Maybe the ball distribution from midfield to forward will is better as we have one player supporting Rooney (or vice versa)? Plus, we are playing at OT.
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Maybe it will, maybe they would batter us seeing how in form they were. 433 works for us, against Arsenal especially. We've dominated them before, just as last season showed and games before that. If it ain't broken and all that.. nothing wrong with the tactics/formation, unfortunately that night too many players didn't show up, or just showed crap.
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If u googled Berba's current girlfriend, Elena Shtilianov...erm...bukan kurang je nanti.Hilang terus......
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United have a host of players away on international duty over the next week, with 17 Reds attempting to boost their country’s hopes of reaching next summer’s World Cup finals in South Africa.

Ji-sung Park and Antonio Valencia face the longest trips this week. Fortunately Park only has one match for Korea, against Australia in Seoul on Saturday.

But Valencia is in Columbia and Bolivia for Ecuador’s matches on Saturday and next Wednesday.

Wes Brown is one of four Reds - alongside Wayne Rooney, Michael Carrick and Ben Foster - who joined up with the England squad for their games against Slovenia and Croatia.

However, the Reds defender is already a doubt for Saturday's game against Slovenia after picking up an injury during training this week.

There was better news for Northern Ireland, though, as Jonny Evans gave them a boost ahead of matches with Poland and Slovakia by training with the squad despite having problems with an ankle injury of late.

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Rooney, Brown, Carrick, Foster England v Slovenia 5 Sept; England v Croatia 9 Sept

Nani Denmark v Portugal 5 Sept; Hungary v Portugal 9 Sept

Evra France v Romania 5 Sept; Serbia v France 9 Sept

J.Evans Poland v N Ireland 5 Sept; N Ireland v Slovakia 9 Sept

Valencia Colombia v Ecuador 5 Sept; Bolivia v Ecuador 9 Sept

Berbatov Bulgaria v Montenegro 5 Sept; Italy v Bulgaria 9 Sept

O'Shea, Gibson Cyprus v ROI 5 Sept; ROI v S Africa 9 Sept

Park Korea v Australia 5 Sept

Vidic, Tosic Serbia v France 9 Sept

Fletcher Scotland v Macedonia 5 Sept; Scotland v Holland 9 Sept

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Macheda U21 Wales v Italy 4 Sept; U21 Italy v Luxembourg 8 Sept


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wahh... Gibson & De Laet already called up with international squad rclxms.gif

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wahh... Gibson & De Laet already called up with international squad  rclxms.gif

Is Fletcherinho captain for scotland team?
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Where is Tosic and Obertan, Carling Cup Maybe?
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obertan injured until october if i remember correctly
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Obertan still injured. Hargreaves will be back in Manchester at the end of the month. Hemm haven't seen Tosic in a while. Has he played for the reserves lately? blink.gif
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cannot wait to see obertan in action.. spurs is next.. hope that we will see a solid combination of vida+rio for that..


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Sir Alex Ferguson Includes Owen Hargeaves In Manchester United's Champions League Squad
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The injured midfielder is named in the squad, along with the regular first-team players and also some youngsters.

Manchester United have registered 35 footballers to participate in this season's group stage in the Champions League, which kicks-off on September 15 with a fixture against Besiktas in Istanbul.

The Red Devils, who followed up their triumph in the competition in 2008 with an appearance in the final in 2009, but were defeated by history-making Barcelona, have also been grouped with Russian Premier League side CSKA Moscow, and Bundesliga champions Wolfsburg.

A perhaps surprise inclusion is defensive screen Owen Hargreaves, who continues to nurse troubling knee problems.

The following players have been named:

Van der Sar, Foster, Kuszczak, Neville, Evra, Fabio, Rafael, O'Shea, Ferdinand, Brown, Vidic, Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia, Nani, Scholes, Park, Hargreaves, Gibson, Giggs, Obertan, Macheda, Owen, Berbatov, Rooney.

The UEFA ruling also allows players who are born on or after January 1 1989, to compete outside of the registered 25. The following players have been included:

Amos, J Evans, Cathcart, Chester, Hewson, C Evans, Anderson, Gray, Welbeck, Zieler.

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Ferguson kept to his promise of keeping faith with his current squad by refusing to bring in any new faces on transfer deadline day but emerging Serie A talent Morimoto has been earmarked as a potential future signing.

Lo Monaco has admitted Catania have no realistic chance of keeping hold of the 20-year-old Japanese striker and are likely to cash in at the next opportunity.

"We'll transfer him to a big club at the end of the season," Lo Monaco told Asahi Shimbun.

"We, only a small club, can do nothing more for him.

"We've already received important offers from England and France this summer as well.

"Manchester United coach Sir Alex Ferguson also highly rates him."

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Sweet. Definitely hope Hargo would be good aft that op that he had last year. Here's hoping he'd be back all in perfect shape (tho it might take time).
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Amos, J Evans, Cathcart, Chester, Hewson, C Evans, Anderson, Gray, Welbeck, Zieler.


i really like this new rule!!gives the young players an opportunity to be part of the champions league..
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i really like this new rule!!gives the young players an opportunity to be part of the champions league..
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the rule has always been there le..
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yes 25 max but youth players(under 21 that have played for manchester united for 2 seasons) can play without being registered in the 25 men list
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no tosic in the CL squad? well pity him in my opinion. i thought he's improving through out the preseason.
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what the?

Obertan is in the CL list? :/
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Why can't Macheda join the unregistered 25 since he's born after that age, which then can free up a space for Tosic
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Why can't Macheda join the unregistered 25 since he's born after that age, which then can free up a space for Tosic
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Hm..still no news bout Anderson?

I guess the argue is true.. hope this block head will apologize to SAF and all will be back to normal!
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Hm..still no news bout Anderson?

I guess the argue is true.. hope this block head will apologize to SAF and all will be back to normal!
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looool

you didn't know yet?

it's false story.
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great news that hargreaves was included into the list..mean his coming back healthy if not SAF wont risk it.. hope he back in time to anchor the midfield or play as back up right back like against chelsea at moscow....
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QUOTE(idevonz @ Sep 3 2009, 06:28 AM)
no tosic in the CL squad? well pity him in my opinion. i thought he's improving through out the preseason.
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Improve ? don't think so, for me his performance is average only ...

somemore now in the squad, nani is 1st choice left winger with park the 2nd choice ...

i have doubt if he even good enough for clubs like villa or everton.


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no tosic in the CL squad? well pity him in my opinion. i thought he's improving through out the preseason.
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Improve ? don't think so, for me his performance is average only ...

somemore now in the squad, nani is 1st choice left winger with park the 2nd choice ...

i have doubt if he even good enough for clubs like villa or everton.

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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Sep 3 2009, 10:52 AM)
great news that hargreaves was included into the list..mean his coming back healthy if not SAF wont risk it.. hope he back in time to anchor the midfield or play as back up right back like against chelsea at moscow....
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looool

you didn't know yet?

it's false story.
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really? well at least its good to know that its only tactical reasons SAF aint using anderson.

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Improve ? don't think so, for me his performance is average only ...

somemore now in the squad, nani is 1st choice left winger with park the 2nd choice ...

i have doubt if he even good enough for clubs like villa or everton.
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and ur thought is based on how many games had tosic played for united? its still too early to judge la. he is still young and in couple of years we will see his true ability
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It's too early to judge tosic as he gets limited first team opportunities. Nani didn't even get much chances to prove himself last season until now, when ronaldo is gone.

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QUOTE(Ken @ Sep 3 2009, 11:56 AM)
Improve ? don't think so, for me his performance is average only ...

somemore now in the squad, nani is 1st choice left winger with park the 2nd choice ...

i have doubt if he even good enough for clubs like villa or everton.


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Improve ? don't think so, for me his performance is average only ...

somemore now in the squad, nani is 1st choice left winger with park the 2nd choice ...

i have doubt if he even good enough for clubs like villa or everton.
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give him another 2, 3 years.....
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Fresh faces on the horizon

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Sir Alex Ferguson may have opted not to further strengthen his squad in the dying embers of the summer transfer season, but there are plenty of reinforcements on the horizon.

As well as the impending return of squad members like Rio Ferdinand, Edwin van der Sar, Rafael and Owen Hargreaves, new signing Gabriel Obertan is recovering well from injury, and young forwards Adem Ljajic and Mame Biram Diouf may both arrive in January.

Speaking to October's edition of Inside United magazine, Sir Alex said: "Gabriel has had a spine problem, but I think he’ll be back in about a month to six weeks’ time. We’re taking our time with him because we want him back and at 100 per cent. He’s very quick, he can play both sides or through the middle and he brings a real versatility to us.

"At 16 he was one of the outstanding young talents in Europe, and he’s said to us that over this last year and a half he’s been playing with this back injury and no-one thought about getting a scan. We expect big things from him. He’s a nice boy, speaks good English and should have no problem settling in."

Ljajic and Diouf were both loaned back to their former clubs – Partizan Belgrade and FK Molde respectively – and have been closely monitored by United staff. Both may be brought to bolster the Reds' ranks during the course of the season.

"Diouf will stay there [Molde] until January, at which point we’ll make a decision over whether to apply for a work permit for him or leave him there for the full season," said Sir Alex.

"He’s a powerful boy, quick as hell, good in the air, 21 years of age and he’s done very well at Molde. Playing in Norway is similar to playing here in terms of climate, so we’ve not got an issue with that either.

"Adem Ljajic is another player who we have on loan, at Partizan Belgrade, and he’ll join us in January. He’s doing very well. He was the star of the tournament for Serbia at the UEFA Under-19 Championships over the summer."


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Rooney can take Charlton record

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Reds skipper Gary Neville says Wayne Rooney is capable of eclipsing Sir Bobby Charlton's United record of 249 goals.

At 23, and with 102 goals in 243 games to his name, Rooney has the potential to register a big total.

Neville has played alongside some fine United goalscorers during 17 years since making his United first-team debut - Mark Hughes (163), Andy Cole (121), Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (126) and Ruud van Nistelrooy (150) to name just a few. But the Reds skipper feels that Sir Bobby's long-held goals record could be under threat in years to come.

"There is a long time to go before he gets there but Wayne does have an opportunity to beat the record," said Neville. "He will have to play a lot more games and stay clear of injury because that record has stood for many years and will be very difficult to break.

"But a player of his ability should score goals. He plays centre-forward for Manchester United. That points you in the right direction."

The key will be to avoiding injuries and, of course, remaining at the club for a long period of time. But there seems to be issue there either.

"I've always said I love this club and, as long as I'm wanted here, I'll play here," Rooney was quoted as saying this week. "It's as simple as that. I can't see one reason why I should want to move. I honestly can't see me going anywhere else unless I'm told otherwise by the manager."


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QUOTE(Ken @ Sep 3 2009, 11:56 AM)
Improve ? don't think so, for me his performance is average only ...

somemore now in the squad, nani is 1st choice left winger with park the 2nd choice ...

i have doubt if he even good enough for clubs like villa or everton.


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Improve ? don't think so, for me his performance is average only ...

somemore now in the squad, nani is 1st choice left winger with park the 2nd choice ...

i have doubt if he even good enough for clubs like villa or everton.
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He played for the 1st team only in 2 games and it was not full 90 minutes. What can you expect? Even so, i was impressed with his performance in his first appearance. His running is more Giggs alike.
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of course good news....
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QUOTE(unknown @ Sep 3 2009, 09:13 PM)
OMG. They will appeal and ban reduce
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they cant buy any player at all....but surely they will appeal wan lo
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Based on the soccernet report, CAS did overturned FIFA's ban on Roma and reduced the duration so it might happen again.

Anyway...

Edwin hints at Dutch return

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Edwin Van der Sar has left the door slightly ajar for a surprise return to international football ahead of the World Cup next summer.

The Manchester United shot-stopper, who is currently recovering from a hand injury, announced his retirement from the Holland squad in October 2008 after accumulating a record 130 caps.

However it appears the 39-year-old could be eyeing a return to the international fold having enjoyed another successful season at Old Trafford last term.

The former Juventus and Fulham keeper is a veteran of four World Cups but it is believed that with South Africa 2010 on the horizon he could be tempted to return and maybe end his career on the biggest stage of all.

"The rehabilitation of my injury is the most important thing right now," he told the Daily Telegraph.

"After that, I will focus on United and then we will see what is happening with the national team."

Meanwhile reports in Germany suggest that Bayer Leverkusen goalkeeper Rene Adler has a clause inserted in his contract that allows him to leave if the Red Devils come in for him.

The 24-year-old German international has established himself in the Leverkusen starting XI over the past two seasons, earning rave reviews.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12010_5535232,00.html

Evans hoping to avoid surgery

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Manchester United star Jonny Evans hopes that he will avoid having surgery on his ankle problem.

Evans had conceded late last month that he would need to go under the knife on the problem which has been troubling him for almost 12 months.

The Northern Ireland star was ready to play through the pain barrier for his country as they have two crucial World Cup qualifiers against Poland and Slovakia coming up.

"A few weeks ago it was in the back of my mind that I might need an operation, but with steroid operations it is feeling a lot better again," Evans told Sky Sports News.

Evans is now fully focussed on his country's qualifying campaign, as they are well placed in the group with just three matches remaining.

And the United man insists they are still going for top spot in Group 3.

"You have got to look to get that top-spot," he said.

"The play-offs is a lottery, top spot would be unbelievable and it is something we have to aim for, we have a chance, so why not?"


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Berbatov vows to improve

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Dimitar Berbatov has pledged to prove his worth to Manchester United with Sir Alex Ferguson ready to make the striker his 'focal point'.

The Bulgaria international has failed to justify his £30.75million transfer fee, only showing his undoubted talent in brief flashes throughout last season.

Many Old Trafford supporters are still to be convinced by the former Tottenham and Bayer Leverkusen ace, but Berbatov insists he is ready to put last season's struggles behind him.

"I think this year will be different for me," he told the Daily Mirror. "I've had a pre-season tour with the team, which I missed last year.

"And I really know how every player in the team plays now, so I can understand them better on the pitch.

"Plus, Sir Alex knows the best way he can use me. We have many games and I'm looking forward to each one so I can score goals and make my contribution to the team."

Something to prove

Red Devils boss Sir Alex Ferguson has admitted that Berbatov suffered at times last season due to the role he was given within the team.

The Scot expects the big-money signing to flourish in the role he has been handed this term and believes that will help him regain some lost confidence.

"He probably has something to prove in the sense of his own thoughts about his first year with us," said Ferguson.

"It's difficult to say if his confidence took a knock, but there aren't many players, especially strikers, who aren't at the mercy of their confidence.

"We were a bit unfair to Dimitar last season but we know how to use him this time. He won't be playing in deep midfield positions where he found himself a lot last year.

"He's got to be in the last third, where he is a threat. We saw him like that, playing deep, at Tottenham and maybe we were wrong there.

"Once we realised, before the end of the season, he started playing further up the pitch. I think Dimitar will be the focal point of our team this year."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5535144,00.html

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guys..the chelsea ban, we should look at it seriously..

we also got poach young player from their club before they reach 17 le..macheda is one of them..what if lazio go and lodge the complaint against us.. we may suffer the same fate..
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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Sep 3 2009, 10:22 PM)
guys..the chelsea ban, we should look at it seriously..

we also got poach young player from their club before they reach 17 le..macheda is one of them..what if lazio go and lodge the complaint against us.. we may suffer the same fate..
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But did we pay for Kiko? If we did, then we should be safe. I heard the player ski poached is FOC, therefore Lens got mad and lodge a report.
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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Sep 3 2009, 10:22 PM)
guys..the chelsea ban, we should look at it seriously..

we also got poach young player from their club before they reach 17 le..macheda is one of them..what if lazio go and lodge the complaint against us.. we may suffer the same fate..
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If you read the article, it seems the player involved do has a contract with the previous club whereby those Italian youngsters we signed, we sort of use the "loopholes" where they yet to sign any professional contract with their club.

So its slightly different scenario BUT knowing FIFA (or Sepp Blatter), they still do anything they want eh? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Sep 3 2009, 10:22 PM)
guys..the chelsea ban, we should look at it seriously..

we also got poach young player from their club before they reach 17 le..macheda is one of them..what if lazio go and lodge the complaint against us.. we may suffer the same fate..
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kiko is not under contract at lazio, italian rules prohibit their teams to tie under 18 (or 17? not sure) players into professionals contract
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Meanwhile Uefa, European football's governing body, is keen to introduce a rule preventing the international transfer of players under the age of 18 after member associations, clubs, leagues and players agreed to the principle.

Speaking in March, Uefa president Platini: "The question of minors is above all a moral and ethical issue. We have a duty to take concrete steps to protect young players and training clubs."


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We signed Macheda before he reach 17(i think)...which is legal in italy football..

Chealsea persuaded the player to breach his contract...
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Manchester United could face similar transfer ban to Chelsea
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Looks like we have to quickly buy Kun Aguero, David Villa & Silva before the ban starts laugh.gif laugh.gif
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w00t anderson scored.. for the reserves match.. hehe
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Video of him scored could be found here. They(Redcafe) said he was playing good for the match.
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Chelsea facing the ban huh?

It is really serious, considering few of their players are at the end of their careers.

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they appeal, and then they probably going to downgrade it to one transfer window, which is not a big deal afterall in the end...
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they appeal, and then they probably going to downgrade it to one transfer window, which is not a big deal afterall in the end...
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which means they won't be registering until the next summer
not a big problem for that
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Sir Alex Ferguson expects summer signing Gabriel Obertan to be back in action by early October, with the Manchester United boss predicting big things from the winger.

The 20-year-old, signed from Bordeaux in July, is yet to make his debut for the champions having arrived with a back injury.

Ferguson has revealed that the Frenchman has been playing with the problem for over 18 months.

Obertan's return to full fitness is more good news for the Red Devils boss with Rio Ferdinand (thigh), Rafael Da Silva (shoulder), Edwin Van der Sar (hand) and Owen Hargreaves (knees) all set to return within the next month.

"Gabriel has had a spine problem, but I think he'll be back in about a month to six weeks' time," he told Inside United.

Versatility

"We're taking our time with him because we want him back and at 100 per cent.

"He's very quick, he can play both sides or through the middle and he brings a real versatility to us.

"At 16 he was one of the outstanding young talents in Europe, and he's said to us that over this last year and a half he's been playing with this back injury and no-one thought about getting a scan.

"We expect big things from him. He's a nice boy, speaks good English and should have no problem settling in."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5535734,00.html
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The Reds' perfect start to the 2009/10 continued on Thursday, with a hard-fought victory over Wigan Athletic.

Despite falling behind early on through a Latics penalty, United roared back to take the three points through goals from Anderson and Magnus Eikrem.

The Brazilian midfielder shone all evening, completing 90 minutes and linking the midfield and attack with distinction, while club captain Gary Neville also notched a full run-out in the centre of defence.

The England international was rarely troubled as United dominated proceedings, and only some wonderful saves from Latics goalkeeper Lee Nicholls kept the score respectable.

From the off, United were on top - only for the visitors to take the lead when Cameron Stewart felled Tomasz Cywka inside the area. The Polish livewire dusted himself down and clinically sent Ben Amos the wrong way from the spot.

Undeterred, the Reds continued to make all the running. Sam Hewson was only fractionally away from turning in Eikrem's centre, before the Norwegian drew a fine low save from Nicholls.

The Latics 'keeper was helpless shortly afterwards, however, when Anderson accepted an infield ball from Febian Brandy, fashioned space for himself with a clever body-swerve to bypass two defenders, and then lashed a powerful shot inside Nicholls' near post.

Stewart almost had United ahead before the break, but could only skew his effort wide after a delightful one-two with Matty James.

Parity's end was in sight, however, and the Reds needed just three minutes of the second half to establish a telling lead.

Anderson was again involved, releasing half-time substitute Josh King down the left flank, and the Norwegian youngster showed terrific trickery to free himself from his marker before crossing for Eikrem to sidefoot home.

While United dominated for large spells thereon, Wigan's Callum McManaman twice came close to levelling matters; firstly with a hooked effort which James Chester superbly headed over his own crossbar, then with a long-range belter which thudded against Amos' woodwork.

Moments earlier, King had headed Anderson's cross against the Wigan bar from deep inside the six yard box, while Nicholls performed a quite stunning save to keep out a close-range header from Hewson.

The visiting goalkeeper then thwarted Brandy at close quarters, and was at full length to turn James' effort round the post. While those spurned chances made for nervous watching, Eikrem's goal ultimately proved enough to maintain the Reds' 100 percent start to the new campaign.

United: Amos; Fabio, Neville, Chester, Dudgeon; Stewart (King, 46), Eikrem (Norwood, 72), Anderson, James, Hewson; Brandy (Gill 88).
Subs not used: Devlin, Wootton.


http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=...=6638953&page=1

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Video of him scored could be found here. They(Redcafe) said he was playing good for the match.
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Chelsea facing the ban huh?

It is really serious, considering few of their players are at the end of their careers.

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They would only miss one or two transfer window probably if they win the appeal. And 2 years ain't that long. Their players could still keep on playing well till then.
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probably 1 transfer window.. 2 window very harsh whistling.gif
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No EPL match for this weekend, boring~~
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haha got international match ma. let's see whether rooney scores tongue.gif

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read alan hansen's article in the star football pullout, the bitting difference. the last statement to me is so fking accurate.

"When they play well, United win 99% of the time. Arsenal don't and that's the difference".

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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 4 2009, 01:41 PM)
They would only miss one or two transfer window probably if they win the appeal. And 2 years ain't that long. Their players could still keep on playing well till then.
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2 transfer windows means next season January they can start buying oredi. Not even 2 years.

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gooners dont do think seriusly...
they dont know that to win the game is a serius business laugh.gif
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a lot of clubs do not reinforce in January anway...so if they win the appeal, they'll miss the Jan transfer window and they can start buying in 2010 summer anyway
+ a lot of clubs would want to buy after WC next year, and not in Jan 2010
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United face Fifa transfer investigation
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Manchester United seem certain to launch a vigorous defence of their position if the case of former Le Havre youngster Paul Pogba is referred to Fifa.

Chelsea have vowed to appeal against a ban on signing players for the next two transfer windows after being found guilty of improper conduct in their recruitment of Gael Kakuta from French club Lens.

Le Havre have confirmed they are requesting Fifa to investigate the case of Pogba, who they claim had agreed to join them, only to walk out in favour of the Old Trafford outfit.

Fifa have so far failed to register Pogba's arrival at Old Trafford, although United insist they have done nothing wrong.

"It is complete nonsense," a spokesman for United said. "Everything has been done within Uefa guidelines."

However, Le Havre managing director Alain Belsoeur claims to have documentation showing United offered inducements for Pogba to join them and has vowed to include it in submissions to the world's governing body.

"We are still pursuing our case," Belsoeur told The Times. "It is a very serious case. We are confident that we'll win because it is in the best interests not just of our club but of sport.

"We spend €5 million on our academy every year out of a turnover of €12 million. It is a huge investment.

"We do that to give a chance to our players to develop for our first team, not to be an academy for others.

"What is the point of investing in an academy if the players leave at 16? This is clearly a message from Fifa to protect the education system."

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/20...4253836578.html
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No EPL match for this weekend, boring~~
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Coach Domingos Paciencia was so unimpressed with his only appearance that he substituted him after 34 minutes. (The Guardian)

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Same here. I'm still thinking if i should go to mamak and watch england vs slovenia's match hmm.gif
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Possebon..why? I think he is great..that the only MU players left that I like to watch...
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QUOTE(nshady @ Sep 4 2009, 06:37 PM)
Same here. I'm still thinking if i should go to mamak and watch england vs slovenia's match  hmm.gif
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This is what happen during international break, MUST is ter-abandoned. Everyone taking their own international break laugh.gif
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just a friendly match!maybe still will watch it!haha!
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United deny wrongdoing over Pogba signing

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Manchester United have insisted that they have no case to answer over the signing of Paul Pogba from Le Havre this summer.

The French outfit were furious after United signed their 16-year-old starlet, dubbing United's tactics as a "foolish act".

It is now expected that La Havre will seek action from FIFA, following on from their decision to ban Chelsea from signing any players until July 2011 after the Blues were alleged to have induced Gael Kakuta to break his contract with another French club, RC Lens.

Pogba's registration with United has not yet been ratified by FIFA and the French club have not so far made their case to the governing body. A FIFA spokesman said: "There has been no receipt of any complaint by Le Havre regarding this player as of today."

United have strenuously denied they have done anything wrong in signing Pogba. "It is complete nonsense,'' a spokesman for United said. "Everything has been done within UEFA guidelines.''

English clubs have a long history of run-ins with French clubs over the plundering of young talent. In 2004, Le Havre also lost Charles N'Zogbia to Newcastle United and were furious that FIFA supported the transfer under freedom of movement.

And Le Havre managing director Alain Belsoeur claims to have documentation showing Manchester United offered inducements for Pogba, the France Under-16 skipper, to join them. And he wants the Red Devils to be treated in the same way as Chelsea.

"We are still pursuing our case,'' Belsoeur told The Times. "It is a very serious case. We are confident that we'll win because it is in the best interests not just of our club but of sport.

"We spend €5m [about £4.3m] on our academy every year out of a turnover of €12m. It is a huge investment. We do that to give a chance to our players to develop for our first team, not to be an academy for others.

"What is the point of investing in an academy if the players leave at 16? This is clearly a message from FIFA to protect the education system.''

At the time of the Pogba signing, Le Havre stated: "Le Havre wishes to express its indignation regarding the dealings of Manchester United's directors. This foolish act is even more unacceptable because it comes from a club with such stature. At a time when numerous parties, including at European Union level... are speaking out against the trading of minors, Manchester United does not hesitate to uproot a 16-year-old."


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Manchester United & Aston Villa Legend Dwight Yorke Retires From Football
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The man who always seemed to play the game with such joy has decided to call time on his career...

Dwight Yorke, the forward who won a Champions League winners medal with Manchester United in 1999 after enjoying a successful career with Aston Villa, has announced his retirement from professional football.

Yorke, who also captained Trinidad & Tobago at the 2006 World Cup, joined Aston Villa in 1989, before moving to Old Trafford in 1998 for £12.6 million. He won three successive league titles with the Red Devils, scoring 64 goals in 151 appearances for the club, before moving to Blackburn Rovers in 2002 and Birmingham City in 2004.

A short spell in Australia with Sydney FC was followed by a return to England with Sunderland in 2006, where he played mainly as a holding midfielder.

"I hope people will say that I played the game in the right way with a smile on my face," Yorke told BBC Sport.
"While I'm still in great shape, I'm not getting any younger and I've had the time of my life.

"I've been blessed really. I've played alongside some of the greatest players the Premier League has ever seen in Roy Keane, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Peter Schmeichel, and played for the greatest manager in Sir Alex Ferguson.

"I'll always count myself lucky. I was a boy on a beach from a little Caribbean island that got the chance to fulfil his dream of winning trophies at the highest level and captaining his country in their first ever World Cup finals."

Yorke recently accepted a position as assistant manager of Trinidad & Tobago for the rest of the World Cup qualifying campaign, and he reportedly would like to utilise his vast experience by managing in England one day.

SOS

Thanks dwight for 1999.. notworthy.gif Yorke-Cole combo is the best i've ever seen in football..

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Fifa has confirmed that they have not received an official complaint from Le Havre over Manchester United's signing of Paul Pogba.

Following Fifa's decision to hand Chelsea an 18-month transfer embargo following their illegal purchase of Gael Kakuta in 2007, Le Havre have voiced their displeasure at the Red Devils' approach for their former midfielder.

Le Havre managing director Alain Belsoeur has been quoted as saying he has documents proving that United offered the 16-year-old incentives to join their ranks.

However the Premier League champions have responded by insisting that their dealings with the player were all above board.

The talented young Frenchman has not yet been registered by United and Fifa has confirmed that any complaint from Le Havre has not been lodged either.

"There has been no receipt of any complaint by Le Havre regarding this player as of today," a Fifa spokesman said.


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NYON, Switzerland, Sept 5 — Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson has backed Uefa’s decision to ban Arsenal striker Eduardo da Silva for deceiving a referee.

“It was a high profile game and something has to be done,” Ferguson said when referring to the ban after a Uefa -organised meeting of some of Europe’s top club coaches.

“(In a big game) it creates an incredible reaction from the media and public in these instances,” he told reporters. “Something should be done and we hope the message gets across.”

Ferguson’s comments came three days after Eduardo was judged by Uefa to have deceived the referee when he won a penalty during a 3-1 Champions League playoff win over Celtic. The Brazilian-born Croatia striker was banned for two games.

But Ferguson added: “I would not criticise one of my own players publicly. When you make public criticism of your players, you damage morale. Your job is to keep it (the dressing-room) solid.”

He also sympathised with his long-term Premier League rival, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger, who complained Eduardo had been singled out, and said high-profile games should be targeted.

“Arsene’s point of view is a good one which is ‘Where do we stop?’“ said Ferguson.

Wenger confirmed Arsenal had appealed against Eduardo’s ban but was reluctant to say any more about the incident.

“It’s best not to say too much,” he told reporters.

“Everyone I have talked to at the club believes that it’s in our best interests to keep quiet and try to get justice done.”

Ferguson said diving was a major worry among leading coaches and talking to players was the key to eradicating the problem.

“I don’t think any coach is proud of it when players simulate to get decisions,” he added. “A coach can’t be proud if his team have won that way.”

“Nobody can proud. A player can’t be proud one hour afterwards when he sits with his brothers and sisters and father and mother.”

“You have to remember five-year-olds are watching,” said Ferguson. “Players in a Sunday team do it. It happens at five or six years old. We all have a responsibility on how it influences young people.”

“It’s a very difficult area because I think in the last 15 years it has crept into the game and it is not acceptable.

“I think we have to combat this by educating the players and by getting them to understand the gravity of the offence and what it does for the well being of the game.

“We all agree that education is the best way forward, from the youth team to the first team players.” — Reuters

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So, any football matches at all today? As in, those friendlies or qualifier? o.O
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So, any football matches at all today? As in, those friendlies or qualifier? o.O
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Happy Retirement Dwight Yorke!!! Thanks for everything smile.gif
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First time I heard the name Dwight Yorke is when one of my friends ask me why Utd bought him instead of a World Class striker i.e. Kluivert.

Thanks for the memories, played with a smile and one of the greatest pairing in footbal.
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Yeap. His partnership with Cole is still one of the best striking combo up to now nod.gif

Anyway, will keep an close on our players who play around the world and finger cross all will come back unscathed before the Spurs game.
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First time I heard the name Dwight Yorke is when one of my friends ask me why Utd bought him instead of a World Class striker i.e. Kluivert.

Thanks for the memories, played with a smile and one of the greatest pairing in footbal.
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That's why we shud never doubt fergie's decision..

Dwight Yorke notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
Thanks for everything..
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Cole + Yorke = deadly partnership in Euro

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any match this weekend?
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International Friendly and WC qualify this weekend.
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QUOTE(redevil @ Sep 5 2009, 06:00 PM)
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yeay! we are going to get banned!! yahooo!

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Dwight Yorke notworthy.gif
even through he is not the best striker, but no doubt he and A.Cole is the best striking partner for us
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Dwight Yorke notworthy.gif
even through he is not the best striker, but no doubt he and A.Cole is the best striking partner for us
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seriously, i onli got 4 words to ski & their big boss, RA

"You're in Deep Shiate!"

lol

Owh, not forget that special baldy, Mr Kenyon....TQ for screwing 'em up.
And a big thank you to Mr Arnesen as well. lol
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Sep 5 2009, 08:29 PM)
seriously, i onli got 4 words to ski & their big boss, RA

"You're in Deep Shiate!"

lol

Owh, not forget that special baldy, Mr Kenyon....TQ for screwing 'em up.
And a big thank you to Mr Arnesen as well. lol
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OLE Gunnar Solskjaer has backed under-fire Anderson to confound his critics and become a United legend. The Brazilian midfielder has come under increasing pressure to live up to his hefty price tag and reputation.  A reported bust-up with Sir Alex Ferguson has only added to doubts about his future - but a goal for the reserves on Thursday night was the best way to grab his manager's attention. And reserve boss, Solskjaer, insists Anderson will reproduce the form that made him an instant fan-favourite in his first season at Old Trafford.

"Ando has shown his qualities and attitude," said Solskjaer. "Now it is a case of him taking his chance when he gets it and putting down a marker to stay in the team. "He is going to be a big player for Manchester United." The 21-year-old, who cost around £18m when signed from Porto in 2007, volunteered to play for the reserves against Wigan. It was his response to calls from Ferguson for a bigger effort to win back his place.

Solkjaer belief

Though Fergie has denied a row with Anderson, the Brazilian is desperate to prove he is no one season wonder. And Solskjaer is convinced he can do so. "It was all glory for him in his first season, but then you sometimes get a bit of a reaction to that," he said. "It happens to a lot of players. "But with Cristiano Ronaldo gone, we need players like Anderson to step up and say `here is what all the talk was about when you signed me.' "It is always going to be a big challenge at United to get a place in the first team. "No player at United is going to step aside and say `here you take my place.' "You have to fight for it and he is more than capable of doing that as he is proving.

"He volunteered to play for the reserves. Asking to play just shows his professionalism and determination to succeed."

Meanwhile, Solskjaer takes United to Sir Matt Busby's birthplace on Sunday vowing to uphold the legacy Lanarkshire's most famous son left at Old Trafford. United's reserve side tackle Motherwell at Fir Park for the Sir Matt Busby Shield, a match arranged to commemorate the former Reds manager's 100th birthday.

"Not long after I came to the club from Norway, I had a long chat with Sir Bobby Charlton," recalled Solskjaer. "Sir Matt had passed away by then but I always remember Sir Bobby telling me about a lesson that had been passed down from him. "He basically used to remind his players before every game that the people coming to watch them worked hard for a living all week. When they came to the football on a Saturday they want to be entertained.

"That is a fantastic lesson for any young player to be taught."

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/spo...on_to_come_good
Nice one Ando! Probably just bored since he didn't get to play much and didn't get call up for Brazil either so he needed that game.

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Manchester United defender Craig Cathcart has returned to Old Trafford for treatment on a hamstring injury.

Cathcart, who spent last season on loan at Plymouth, suffered the setback in Northern Ireland Under-21s 2-0 defeat by the Czech Republic in a European Championship qualifier.

The injury completed a difficult week for the 20-year-old, who seemed on the verge of a move to Newcastle, only for it to break down at the last minute.

Blackburn defender Johnny Flynn has also been ruled out of the next qualifier against Iceland on Tuesday after pulling up with a knee injury.

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Rooney's got couple of very good chances. Well done smile.gif

I think he'll do better against croatia next week. Nothing much from carrick tho..just his usual passing routine smile.gif
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scholes > carrick.

yawn nite guys :zzz:
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omfg...Rooney missed from 2 yards T T
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QUOTE(nshady @ Sep 6 2009, 04:13 AM)
Rooney's got couple of very good chances. Well done smile.gif

I think he'll do better against croatia next week. Nothing much from carrick tho..just his usual passing routine smile.gif
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far from it.. he only passes the ball sideways.. i wonder what happened to him recently
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Berbatov.. scored one penalty, and had three assists.
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Rooney dived to get penalty for England!!! thumbup.gif rclxm9.gif
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CEPAT CONDEMN ROONEY LA CEPAT LA WOI CEPAT LA!

HE MISSED FROM 2 YARDS LA BABY STUFFS LA WOI.

C'MON LA EVEN MY CAT CAN DO THAT.
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Well? Whoever condemned Berbatov for his easy miss?

CEPAT CONDEMN ROONEY LA CEPAT LA WOI CEPAT LA!

HE MISSED FROM 2 YARDS LA BABY STUFFS LA WOI.

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Ryan Giggs has revealed that he will bow out of the game at the top level and confirmed he will definitely stay in football in some capacity.

Giggs, the most decorated player in the history of English football, is closing in on his 36th birthday and knows that he must at least entertain the idea of what he will do once he hangs up his boots.

But for now the Welshman insists he is feeling as fresh and as fit as he has at any point during his illustrious career.

The winger also stated that he had no interest in dropping down the leagues once his time at Old Trafford does eventually come to an end, instead highlighting that he will seek new challenges away from the pitch.

"Football is my life, but I'm not going to be playing at 40 - and I will look for another challenge within in the game," he told the Sunday Mirror.

"When my body tells me I can't sustain playing at the highest level any more I know it will be time for me to call it a day.

"I want to finish playing at the top. I have no intention of playing in the lower leagues to sustain my playing career. I have done my coaching courses and would like to stay in the game in some capacity.

"I think there are numerous opportunities that will allow me to stay in the game, be it in coaching, the media or training in some capacity.

Bitten by the bug

"I am told that you can inadvertently fall into management - like Mark Hughes and then you get bitten by the bug."

Giggs went on to explain that the secret to his longevity was partially down to his failure with the Welsh national team.

"I've been lucky that ever since my career began I have had proper periods of rest," he added.

"Playing for Wales we never qualified for major championships, which I deeply regret, but it has helped me.

"For 18-years I've consistently had six or seven-week rests during the summer. And the decision to retire from international football in 2007 was made to enable me to sustain my playing career at Manchester United."

The all-time Red Devils appearance maker admits he has learned to cope with defeat a lot better over the years, but with United chasing a record fourth straight title this season no-one will be pursuing the crown harder than Giggs.

The 35-year-old has seen many world-class players leave Old Trafford during his time at the club, notably Eric Cantona, David Beckham, Roy Keane and Ruud Van Nistelrooy, and the veteran is confident United can succeed without Cristiano Ronaldo.

"The club won't stand still because players have left," he declared. "We will continue to evolve under the manager and maintain our challenge for silverware.

"People are making a far bigger thing of it outside the club than we are.

Prove people wrong

"Obviously Cristiano was a world-class player and will be missed - but how many times have players left United and we have been written off only to prove the critics wrong?

"I have seen great players come and go, but the drive and determination to succeed remain the same.

"Don't underestimate the manager. I have discovered over the years he always seems to come up with the answers."


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Berba vows to 'sweat blood'

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Dimitar Berbatov has pledged to do all he can to win over those who continue to criticise his playing style.

The Bulgaria international has come under fire from certain sections of the Manchester United support since moving to Old Trafford from Tottenham last summer.

His languid approach to the game often suggests that he is not giving his all, and is merely going through the motions.

As United's record signing he accepts that expectations on his shoulders are high, but he insists that he is as committed to the cause as any of his Red Devils team-mates.

"There is a winning mentality and at United success is expected season after season," Berbatov told the News of the World.

"I am aware I came with a big price tag and I am ready to prove this season just what I can do. We have a chance to make it four titles in a row and that means making history if we succeed.

"I would not say my playing style is laid back, it is just a different style.

Running

"I like time on the ball and I like space. If I can get that, then I know I can free up players like Nani and Wayne Rooney, who do lots of running.

"I am ready to sweat blood for this club. I want to create and score goals and I know I can be part of a trophy-winning team this season."

United's hopes of landing a fourth consecutive Premier League crown were dealt a blow this summer with Cristiano Ronaldo's decision to join Real Madrid.

However, Berbatov is confident Sir Alex Ferguson's side can cope in his absence and has singled out Wayne Rooney as the man to spearhead their trophy quest.

"Wayne is the biggest talent in the Premier League," he added.

"We have lost a great player in Ronaldo, but even when he was at the club Wayne was still the biggest natural talent for me.

"He has much more to his game than Ronaldo. I wish Cristiano well, but he is our past now and Manchester United can become bigger and better without him."


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Btw, the player tat scored the 1st goal..
Is he the Forentina player?
He performed quite well in Forentina.. A very confident young lad...
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Btw, the player tat scored the 1st goal..
Is he the Forentina player?
He performed quite well in Forentina.. A very confident young lad...
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Hope portugal will quality for the world cup. Nani looked well eventhough he came out as a sub. His corner led to a goal smile.gif

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imagine a world cup without messi and ronaldo laugh.gif

and babel too rolleyes.gif
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Their is a probability that ronaldo's going to miss the world cup. There are in fourth spot at the moment.

Argentina is also in fourth spot(play-off spot) and the team at fifth spot is only 2 points adrift.

good luck smile.gif
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Btw, the player tat scored the 1st goal..
Is he the Forentina player?
He performed quite well in Forentina.. A very confident young lad...
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stevan jovetic rclxms.gif he was decisive for fiorentina so far...
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i only like messi.

messi > ronaldo.
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boring weekend without my dose of BPL sad.gif

p/s: whats the whole issue with Rooney diving against slovenia?
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Edit: Looks like a very bad decision by the ref if you ask me. Not so much about Rooney going down,but more more towards what could the ref have possibly seen from that.

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This one:

Edit: Looks like a very bad decision by the ref if you ask me. Not so much about Rooney going down,but more more towards what could the ref have possibly seen from that.
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Their is a probability that ronaldo's going to miss the world cup. There are in fourth spot at the moment.

Argentina is also in fourth spot(play-off spot) and the team at fifth spot is only 2 points adrift.

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Ex-Red Andrew Cole says United's strike trio of Wayne Rooney, Dimitar Berbatov and Michael Owen will bag plenty of goals this season.

Speaking at MUTV's Wednesday Night at the Red Cafe programme, Cole, now a regular visitor to Old Trafford as a fan, said: "Rooney has started the season really well. He's ready to step into Ronaldo's shoes. His attitude is 'I'm top, and I'm going to prove it'. He's the man to get 25-30 goals this season."

Cole is well placed to judge the abilities of United's front men, having scored 121 goals in 275 appearances for United. And it's not just Rooney he's impressed with. "It's not easy coming to United in your first season," he adds. "The spotlight is on you straight away and everyone expected Berbatov to get 30 goals last year.

"I don't think he's that type of player, but he brings something different to the team. He's so elegant. Then there's Michael Owen. There aren't many natural finishers around. Sir Alex told me that if he keeps Owen fit he'll get goals."


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MANCHESTER United manager Sir Alex Ferguson knows Wayne Rooney likes to wander around the pitch but claims the England man is at his most effective when he occupies the centre-forward role.

Rooney has four Premier League goals for United already this season, putting him level with Jermain Defoe at the top of the scoring charts. He has scored against Birmingham and Arsenal, and netted a double at Wigan in United's 5-0 win.

United are keen for Rooney to play a more central role than in previous seasons, with Ferguson believing he can provide the goals to soften the blow of Cristiano Ronaldo's summer exit.

The former Everton striker has welcomed the opportunity, but Ferguson understands the 23-year-old is prone to roaming.

Ferguson told Inside United magazine: "The boy's got a real hunger and drive about him. He has so much energy that sometimes he overdoes it in the sense that he wants to use it all; he'll drop into midfield or he'll go outside left.

"But he's young, and young players tend to sometimes be that way - they want to spend all their energy on the pitch.

"But if he concentrates like he did at Wigan and spends more time in the central areas rather than the wide positions then he will get goals. There's no doubt about that."

Rooney has been a regular scorer since joining United in 2004, however Ferguson suspects Sir Bobby Charlton's club goals record of 249 will be difficult to beat.

"It'll be very tough," Ferguson said. "Sir Bobby's record is 249 goals, so at this stage of Wayne's career I'd say he'll have to do very well to get anywhere near that."


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guys, how many goals Owen scored for MU d? (inclusive Pre Season games)
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guys, how many goals Owen scored for MU d? (inclusive Pre Season games)
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I believe is 5

2 goals against Malaysia

2 goals against the China club ( forget the name tongue.gif)

1 goal against Wigan

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he scored and created 3 goals


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finally on sale.. now divided to buy this or home jersey..

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we've been accused of this 'tapping-up' business so many times but this one looks very serious. I hope nothing goes wrong with the trial...
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bcoz the blatter and platini wanna make epl team getting worse!trying all ways to make it! vmad.gif
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black track suit
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this one lagi like ultraman before transform weh.... doh.gif doh.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif i aint buying anything this time around. really hampeh lar.
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this one lagi like ultraman before transform weh.... doh.gif  doh.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif i aint buying anything this time around. really hampeh lar.
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Yeah lar. I finally saved enough to spend on 2 jerseys and they introduced this new ultraman design on everything!!
I know some people think its nice,but personally,its one of the worst in recent years.
Now ill just save more and wait for next seasons edition.

I think in the past 5 years,Arsenals jerseys have been in the top 2 tongue.gif
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this season design is a tribute for 100 years of old trafford.. so its kinda worth it to buy..
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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Sep 7 2009, 10:53 PM)
we've been accused of this 'tapping-up' business so many times but this one looks very serious. I hope nothing goes wrong with the trial...
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This is not about tapping up. The kid is free to sign with whoever he wishes for since he couldn't sign for anyone until the age of 16 if I'm not mistaken, although he was in Le Havre's academy(?). They're just unhappy that it's us who Pogba signs the contract with, which is just natural. I don't know much about the Kakuta's case, but he sort of had a pre-contract agreement with his old club and somehow broke that by signing with Chelsea. Not sure if Pogba is on the same situation.

IF that kid Kakuta had a 'contract' with his old club and Chelsea know it, I'm sure they wouldn't go through with the deal to sign the kid. It's the same with us. We would have check with the relevant parties and make sure he is free to sign with us. Seems a bit unfair looking at it now if that was the case with Chelsea signing Kakuta and getting into trouble over that.

Fifa should step in really, ages ago regarding the young players signing for big clubs. We've seen it with the S.American/African players signing with European clubs since ages ago.. but they don't jump and shout at it as though it was a serious offence. But all of a sudden lately when the English clubs 'dominated' the European scene, every little things came up. Getting young players, having more money than their counterparts in other leagues, having a lot of teams in the CL etc.. they make it as though the English clubs have an unfair advantage compared to the others. But they didn't complain when it was the French/Italian/German league which was getting all these sort of advantages when the English clubs was trying to climb back the ladder after they were banned from Europe years back. Now they're on top, those fat guys at the top don't like it..
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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 8 2009, 12:31 AM)
This is not about tapping up. The kid is free to sign with whoever he wishes for since he couldn't sign for anyone until the age of 16 if I'm not mistaken, although he was in Le Havre's academy(?). They're just unhappy that it's us who Pogba signs the contract with, which is just natural. I don't know much about the Kakuta's case, but he sort of had a pre-contract agreement with his old club and somehow broke that by signing with Chelsea. Not sure if Pogba is on the same situation.

IF that kid Kakuta had a 'contract' with his old club and Chelsea know it, I'm sure they wouldn't go through with the deal to sign the kid. It's the same with us. We would have check with the relevant parties and make sure he is free to sign with us. Seems a bit unfair looking at it now if that was the case with Chelsea signing Kakuta and getting into trouble over that.

Fifa should step in really, ages ago regarding the young players signing for big clubs. We've seen it with the S.American/African players signing with European clubs since ages ago.. but they don't jump and shout at it as though it was a serious offence. But all of a sudden lately when the English clubs 'dominated' the European scene, every little things came up. Getting young players, having more money than their counterparts in other leagues, having a lot of teams in the CL etc.. they make it as though the English clubs have an unfair advantage compared to the others. But they didn't complain when it was the French/Italian/German league which was getting all these sort of advantages when the English clubs was trying to climb back the ladder after they were banned from Europe years back. Now they're on top, those fat guys at the top don't like it..
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The most frustrating thing was when i read a headline saying : Platini warns Real. (or something along those lines)
And then right after that,it seems he warned them that spending so much will not guarentee success. THATS ALL!!

Remember when he was emo-ing with English clubs? Remember the reasoning then?

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Ever since he became the top one at UEFA, he voiced out against the English sides. Same with that stupid Blatter. Whenever it was us, he would say something. But if it's about other clubs, he didn't say a word. Remember about the Ronaldo as slave thing? Unfortunately for them, the English dominance is about to stay for a while, since there's only two clubs in Spain, and maybe only one in Italy who could compete with/better the English clubs.

Our GK situation.. when VDS gets back, should we play him straight away and bench Foster? I hope Foster take his chances before that happens and make a strong case for himself to actually be our #1 this season. After a shaky start in the pre-season games and Chelsea in the CS, he's been pretty solid. We need to know this season if he has what it takes. If he doesn't, we have to get someone else next summer, unless SAF really trust him and already has him as our future #1 no matter what happens till then.
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it's nice, i've wanted it as well, but the price is  sweat.gif
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i know someone who sells that jacket for around rm230 in malaysia. and yes, its authentic  whistling.gif
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Bro do u really mean in or just sarcastic? if its true someone selling it here plz let me know
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this one lagi like ultraman before transform weh.... doh.gif  doh.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif i aint buying anything this time around. really hampeh lar.
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David Gill has been elected into the top executive board of members in the European Club Association which, many of you might remember, was formed under the auspices of the UEFA following the dissolution of the G14.

“I’m obviously very pleased to be elected,” Gill said. “The ECA has a very important role to play in the relationship with Uefa and other bodies within European and world football. We are the people who run the clubs, we understand the issues. All parties need to work together to come up with a set of rules and regulations that everyone buys into.”

Perez added that he was: “Very happy to be able to work for the clubs inside the big European football family.”

Florentino Perez’s influence (as someone known to favour a European super league) cannot be ignored, and it would be interesting to see what holds for the future of European club football in the coming years.


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Added on September 8, 2009, 10:02 amManchester City's Carlos Tevez Set To Miss Arsenal & Manchester United Clashes

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On Saturday, Manchester City and Argentina striker Carlos Tevez was in the lineup as his international side lost 3-1 to Brazil, putting Argentina closer to missing out on next summer's World Cup. The Argentine FA has now confirmed that the player also suffered a twisted right knee, which will likely rule him out of the Citizens' next two Premier League matches against Arsenal and Manchester United. He will also miss Argentina's vital qualifier in Paraguay on Wednesday.

The 25-year-old ex-Boca Juniors star joins Robinho in the Eastlands treatment room, although City manager Mark Hughes is not lacking in depth up front as Emmanuel Adebayor and Craig Bellamy are both fit to start.

The injury means that Tevez will not be available for his anticipated return to Old Trafford on September 20. Tevez spoke out publicly throughout last season about his lack of playing time for United, leading to an acrimonious departure and manager Sir Alex Ferguson's insistence that Tevez, who scored 34 times in 99 appearances for the club, was "not worth £25 million".

Last month, Tevez further stoked the rivalry between the clubs by taking a swipe at Ferguson and insisting that the Red Devils were fearful of new-look City.

"Ferguson is history for me but I know that he is scared of playing against us," the striker told Globoesporte. "It's dangerous for Ferguson's objectives and for him to criticise Manchester City."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009...and-manchester-

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Manchester United's John O'Shea and Aiden McGeady of Celtic have both been excused because of injury, whilst Robbie Keane, Shay Given, Richard Dunne, Kevin Kilbane and Stephen Hunt have also been released back to their clubs.
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He also admitted to holding big worries about O'Shea, adding: "Today, he could not play because he had a bleed on the calf. He couldn't run today.

"I told him to be careful because when you pull that muscle, it is two months.

"It was not just for me, it was also for the club he must decide."


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Lampard: Rooney did not dive


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England midfielder Frank Lampard insisted Wayne Rooney did not dive for a penalty against Slovenia at Wembley on Saturday, though did admit it should not have been a spot-kick.

And Lampard also backed manager Fabio Capello to make the right choice between starting Jermain Defoe or Emile Heskey to face Croatia on Wednesday.

Lampard, who took the penalty, said: "I think maybe it wasn't a penalty. I think it was clearly not a dive but probably not a penalty.''

Lampard praised both Defoe and Heskey for the different qualities they bring to the England set-up while being sure whichever player is picked will perform well.

"The question of starting is obviously the manager's decision,'' Lampard said. "He has shown in his career he makes the right decision more often than not.

"Jermain is making headlines as he's scoring goals. Emile has made a great case because of the way he has played for England for a long time.''

Lampard feels the memories of England's 3-2 loss to Croatia at Wembley which saw them miss out on Euro 2008 will motivate the players.

"It was a very low point for all of us, individually and as a group. We won't forget that and will use it as a positive,'' he said. "We need to keep cool heads, keep calm, but also show passion and desire to win the game. There certainly won't be tackles anyone is pulling out of.

"It's been fantastic how we've gone about it so far, the results we've got home and away. We need to finish the job, the sooner the better. The aim is to qualify - simple as that. If it doesn't happen on Wednesday night we have to make it happen the next time.''

The Chelsea midfielder also believes there is no reason to worry too much about England's defence.

"I think in qualifying the defending has been pretty good. We've gone to Croatia and Belarus and done pretty well,'' he said.

Croatia will be missing midfielder Luka Modric through injury and defender Vedran Corluka through suspension against England, but Lampard believes Slaven Bilic's men will still be a force to be reckoned with.

"I think they're two very good players,'' he said. "Modric particularly is the playmaker if the team. I know what a good player he is from playing against him against Croatia and Tottenham. Croatia will miss them, but Slaven Bilic has said he has worked on the strength of the team.''


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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 8 2009, 12:31 AM)
This is not about tapping up. The kid is free to sign with whoever he wishes for since he couldn't sign for anyone until the age of 16 if I'm not mistaken, although he was in Le Havre's academy(?). They're just unhappy that it's us who Pogba signs the contract with, which is just natural. I don't know much about the Kakuta's case, but he sort of had a pre-contract agreement with his old club and somehow broke that by signing with Chelsea. Not sure if Pogba is on the same situation.

IF that kid Kakuta had a 'contract' with his old club and Chelsea know it, I'm sure they wouldn't go through with the deal to sign the kid. It's the same with us. We would have check with the relevant parties and make sure he is free to sign with us. Seems a bit unfair looking at it now if that was the case with Chelsea signing Kakuta and getting into trouble over that.

Fifa should step in really, ages ago regarding the young players signing for big clubs. We've seen it with the S.American/African players signing with European clubs since ages ago.. but they don't jump and shout at it as though it was a serious offence. But all of a sudden lately when the English clubs 'dominated' the European scene, every little things came up. Getting young players, having more money than their counterparts in other leagues, having a lot of teams in the CL etc.. they make it as though the English clubs have an unfair advantage compared to the others. But they didn't complain when it was the French/Italian/German league which was getting all these sort of advantages when the English clubs was trying to climb back the ladder after they were banned from Europe years back. Now they're on top, those fat guys at the top don't like it..
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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 8 2009, 12:56 AM)
Ever since he became the top one at UEFA, he voiced out against the English sides. Same with that stupid Blatter. Whenever it was us, he would say something. But if it's about other clubs, he didn't say a word. Remember about the Ronaldo as slave thing? Unfortunately for them, the English dominance is about to stay for a while, since there's only two clubs in Spain, and maybe only one in Italy who could compete with/better the English clubs.

Our GK situation.. when VDS gets back, should we play him straight away and bench Foster? I hope Foster take his chances before that happens and make a strong case for himself to actually be our #1 this season. After a shaky start in the pre-season games and Chelsea in the CS, he's been pretty solid. We need to know this season if he has what it takes. If he doesn't, we have to get someone else next summer, unless SAF really trust him and already has him as our future #1 no matter what happens till then.
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i just don't understand why all of the sudden pointing finger at Man Utd and Chelsea after so many years, i bet other big clubs does that as well
Banning doesn't help much, FIFA should really step in and change the rules

Is VDS back on saturday match against Tottenham?
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really hope so.
foster is good in the goal, but vds has the calming effect on the team. much like ferdinand. guess it's the years of experience.

hopefully tottenham will be like arsenal, humbled by MU tongue.gif
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Brown is in and out, same with Gary.
Evans need surgery, although he can still play for a while, but after the qualifiers..

Our luck just never change at the back. A few of them will surely be out injured at any given time.


Added on September 8, 2009, 9:31 pmVDS is out till around October or something.

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i know someone who sells that jacket for around rm230 in malaysia. and yes, its authentic  whistling.gif
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Mind PM me or post here the location where it selling? I'm sure many are interested
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Real Madrid & Manchester United Chiefs Join European Club Association

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez and Manchester United chief executive David Gill have been voted on to executive board of the powerful European Club Association (ECA).

The duo won the positions ahead of CSKA Moscow's Evgeni Giner and will now have a say when the body that represents the continent's richest clubs meets.

Perez was delighted with the decision and explained that he would work hard, but refrained from talking about his support for a European Super League.

"I am very happy to be able to work for the clubs inside the big European football family," he told Spanish reporters.

Gill was equally pleased with his appointment to the association, which represents 144 clubs from 53 nations represented by UEFA and effectively replaced the G-14.

"I'm obviously very pleased to be elected," Sky Sports quote him as saying. "The ECA has a very important role to play in the relationship with UEFA and other bodies within European and world football."

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Manchester United chief executive David Gill was in combative mood today regarding his club's involvement in the ever-growing saga surrounding English clubs and their alleged illegal inducement of young French players into breaking their contracts at home and moving to the Premier League.

United reportedly face a FIFA investigation over the move of 16-year-old Paul Pogba from Le Havre to Old Trafford, and issued a strongly-worded statement yesterday asserting that they would be taking legal action to clear their name.

Gill today echoed those sentiments, saying: "It is an insult by Le Havre to suggest that Manchester United and the employees of Manchester United have paid the players' parent and bought the parents a house."

He added: "We will not accept the good name of Manchester United being trawled around on websites.

"We've done everything, we think, by the book.

"We are not intimidating Le Havre. We have no intention of intimidating Le Havre."
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Well, hope none of our players will get injury in tmr morning's match.. touch wood!
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glory-glory Man Utd! i cant wait for hargreaves to return. he has been away for too long.

anyways, did you guys notice that after ronaldo went to real, Man Utd attacks more through the flanks? i mean more crosses into the penalty box. last time ronaldo would cut inside and shoot or feed some one else. now nani and valencia, they are not brave enough to do so. thus the lack of chances. i have to admit, the win against arsenal was a slice of luck. they have got to do better to retain the title.
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QUOTE(lowyat.user47 @ Sep 9 2009, 02:48 PM)
glory-glory Man Utd! i cant wait for hargreaves to return. he has been away for too long.

anyways, did you guys notice that after ronaldo went to real, Man Utd attacks more through the flanks? i mean more crosses into the penalty box. last time ronaldo would cut inside and shoot or feed some one else. now nani and valencia, they are not brave enough to do so. thus the lack of chances. i have to admit, the win against arsenal was a slice of luck. they have got to do better to retain the title.
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Football's governing body confirmed on Tuesday night that it was awaiting documentation from Fiorentina to trigger a formal complaint.

Fornasier, who celebrated his 16th birthday last month, has been offered a contract by United after impressing while playing for the club in the Milk Cup tournament in Northern Ireland this summer.



With Italian clubs unable to sign players until their 16th birthday, Fiorentina were unable to secure Fornasier to a binding contract prior to United's move and, as such, the grounds of their complaint to Fifa remain unclear.

However, Fifa has confirmed that Fiorentina have already made contact ahead of a possible complaint against the Premier League champions.

United, who have enlisted the help of the Football Association to secure an international transfer certificate for Empoli's Alberto Massacci, have threatened legal action against Le Havre should allegations of illegal inducements be repeated by the French club in relation to the teenager Paul Pogba.

Despite Le Havre's complaints over United's recruitment of Pogba, the French club have yet to submit a formal complaint to Fifa. And Pogba's parents are now understood to be considering a libel action against the club following suggestions that they received money and a house from United to sweeten a deal for their son to join.

Gaël Mahé, Pogba's representative, said: "No money had changed hands up front, though Paul will get a very good contract when he turns professional.

"All he has got from United so far is a flat in Manchester for him and his mother to live in. We spent a long time ensuring that the document we signed with Manchester United was legally watertight."

United chief executive David Gill said: "It is an insult by Le Havre to suggest that Manchester United have paid the players' parents and bought the parents a house.

"We will not accept the good name of Manchester United being trawled around on websites and the press to say that we have done these things which we are not allowed to do and we would never do."



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glory-glory Man Utd! i cant wait for hargreaves to return. he has been away for too long.

anyways, did you guys notice that after ronaldo went to real, Man Utd attacks more through the flanks? i mean more crosses into the penalty box. last time ronaldo would cut inside and shoot or feed some one else. now nani and valencia, they are not brave enough to do so. thus the lack of chances. i have to admit, the win against arsenal was a slice of luck. they have got to do better to retain the title.
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32 time Malaysia cup champions,Selangor, submitted an official complaint to FIFA early this morning against Manchester United for allegedly trying to tap up Malaysian startlet Amri Yahyah. Amri who scored a wonder strike against United in their pre season tour last month claims that an offer was made to him and he was met personally by Sir Alex Ferguson.

"He offered me a salary 10 times of what i earn here at Selangor and promised a lifetime supply of sambal belacan for as long as im at Old Trafford" said Amri,obviously elated by this latest piece of rumour surrounding him.

Fifa's recent banning of Chelsea for their capture of former Lens youngster Gael Kakuta, has brought the spotlight on other potential deals which could see Fifa act on them.

United's signing of French starlet Paul Pogba has angered his former club Le Havre, and both clubs have issued statements insisting they are in the right and will take action against the other.

However, whilst Fifa are still waiting to hear from Le Havre over allegations they have made about Pogba - Selangor have made moves to lodge an official complaint about Amri.

"We can confirm that we were contacted by the Selangor FA with regard to the potential transfer of the player, Amri Yah..erm..amri YaY..Amri Yahh..Yahh.. to the English club, Manchester United," a Fifa spokesman confirmed.

"However, so far no formal investigation was opened since the relevant documentation needs to be completed."

After numerous attempts to contact Selangor FA president Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim failed,reporters and fans swarmed the Shah Alam stadium demanding an explanation. Realizing that the situation could turn hostile,Tan Sri Khalid via a loudspeaker announced to the already restless crowd.

"We have sent an official report to FIFA and expect a 3 year ban to be sanctioned on Manchester United. We are a big club with a big tradition and i doubt that Amri would leave us for a club like Manchester United" said Tan Sri Khalid much to the delight of the crowd.

"im sure Amri would embrace the spirit of 1 Malaysia and decline the contract offer but we will still go ahead with the complaint"
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@Sin, the jacket limited edition mia..this season only got ultraman, for the next 10 season also won't have wor..worthy investment laugh.gif

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Gary Neville is finally hoping to be over his injury nightmare.

The Manchester United star has been dogged by injury over the last few years.

He broke his ankle against Bolton in early 2007, which caused him to be sidelined for nearly 12 months.

Numerous muscle niggles have dogged him since his recovery and that has prevented him from playing for England for over two-years.

Having overcome a groin tweak he picked up in pre-season, he is in line to start his second game of the season this weekend against Tottenham.

"I just hope to say as fit as possible and play games for the club," he said.

"I am doing everything I possibly can and the medical staff are helping me as well."

Despite having the likes of Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Rafael and Fabio in his squad - all of whom can play right-back - Neville is confident that he still has something to offer.

"The manager would not have me here if he didn't think I contributed in some way," he said.

"I can contribute a lot more when I am fit."

He is just now hoping that he can go on an injury free run.

"Over the last two years injury has been a concern for me," he admitted.

"It is a concern for every footballer. It is frustrating.

"But it is not something I think about every day. I have just had to deal with it."


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in my opinion, i think rooney cannot play upfront. he ought to be behind an out-and-out striker. because if he doesnt, he wont get the ball. rooney is a talented player, he can do wonders. that is IF he gets the ball. berba is not living up to the expectations yet. whilst owen, i dont think he is fit enough to play full 90 minutes.


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QUOTE(lowyat.user47 @ Sep 9 2009, 11:45 PM)
in my opinion, i think rooney cannot play upfront. he ought to be behind an out-and-out striker. because if he doesnt, he wont get the ball. rooney is a talented player, he can do wonders. that is IF he gets the ball. berba is not living up to the expectations yet. whilst owen, i dont think he is fit enough to play full 90 minutes.


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All action Rooney vs slightly more quiet Rooney(more efficient?).. SAF prefers the latter though.
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All action Rooney vs slightly more quiet Rooney(more efficient?).. SAF prefers the latter though.
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no not that im not satisfied. none what so ever,

what i meant was in my opininon he would do better if he plays behind another striker. yes he is scoring goals. but we are not seeing much of the beautiful football that Man Utd showed over the past few years. if he plays upfront he needs to wait for the ball to come to him. whereas if he plays behind someone, he can indirectly dictate the play and feed the other striker. at the same time, he can score goals as well.
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guys where can i find man utd wallpapers?

i'm actually looking for a wallpaper of the celebration of Rooney scoring the penalty against the Gunners. smile.gif

pls share any awesome man utd wallpaper websites. thanks!
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lennon on fire at the moment.. one penalty earned, one assist. this might be a problem for the game this weekend
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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Sep 10 2009, 01:20 AM)
Actually I prefer the former but it's Rooney who keeps asking to play as CF..
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“He wants to be everywhere all the time,” Phelan said. “But we have 10 other good players on the field and sometimes he has to realise the place where he does his best work is the best place to be. Wayne sometimes drifts around and there were instances of that against Birmingham. His overall performance was good but he needs to remember when we create chances he scores goals.”

He asked SAF to play him centrally(anywhere, as long as it's central). It's SAF who wants him to play as a CF(can see last two seasons). This season he has a bit more freedom, but still not as much as he had previously like in his first few seasons here. It's clear where the coaching staff thinks he's best used at right now reading that quote by Phelan and SAF previously. They turned Ronaldo into a deadly weapon.. guess they want Rooney to be the same too.

QUOTE(lowyat.user47 @ Sep 10 2009, 01:28 AM)
no not that im not satisfied. none what so ever,

what i meant was in my opininon he would do better if he plays behind another striker. yes he is scoring goals. but we are not seeing much of the beautiful football that Man Utd showed over the past few years. if he plays upfront he needs to wait for the ball to come to him. whereas if he plays behind someone, he can indirectly dictate the play and feed the other striker. at the same time, he can score goals as well.
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Beautiful football? 06/07 was great. Scholes was on song, and Ronaldo was actually a very good and effective winger that season. Since then, Scholes have slowed a lot, and Ronaldo became less and less effective as a winger, but instead turn himself into a very effective scoring machine. Nani and Anderson inject some excitement in their first season, but last season both were badly on form. And apart from Rooney, Giggsy, and Ronaldo(scoring wise), the others didn't show up consistently, that's why last season sucks attacking wise for us. We only scored 68 goals was it in the league?

Sure he can dictate the play and all that, but SAF wants him to be further active in the final third(striker-wise) rather than be everywhere freak that he was before. Signing Tevez.. and then Berba, who both seems pretty good playing behind a striker(Berba, wants to set up teammates more rather than scoring himself). It seems he wants Rooney to turn into a striker.

Think of it this way. Rooney is already really good playing in that withdrawn role, his vision and footballing brain, he will always have that. But as a striker for a top team, you would expect better returns of goals/finishing. He's still young of course, and his record is pretty good. But there's room for improvement in his finishing. He can score lots of goals in burst, but then he'll be quiet for a while.. until he wears back his finishing boots. His movement is great. His finishing is great too when he's in the mood.. if he can do it consistently, plus his other attacking abilities, just think what a player he would become.


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lennon on fire at the moment.. one penalty earned, one assist. this might be a problem for the game this weekend
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well just wait for this weekend.

hope MU can tame tottenham like we tamed arsenal tongue.gif
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lennon is in top form...
if he play like that during Mu match.
we are GG...
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well just wait for this weekend.

hope MU can tame tottenham like we tamed arsenal tongue.gif
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Lennon is Evra's bane, and we all know that from past encounters. With the kind of form the man with the thick eyebrows (after Bosingwa) is on, we'll have cause to worry on our left side of defense. Might see Fergie decide to place Rooney on the left to double team on him sad.gif
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I would prefer Park to be there in condition that he is fit. Rooney should stick to the middle and do his magic there. Defending issue should no longer become his concern this season.
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put rooney to the left... n start berba with owen
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If they use Lennon to exploit our LW side, we can use Rooney to exploit their central defense as well. They are without Dawson & Woodgate. Bassong was subbed off injured last weekend when playing for Cameroon and did not play in midweek (injured?).

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With Harry Redknapp's other central defensive options Michael Dawson and Jonathan Woodgate also injured and Ledley King a permanent doubt due to his knee, the Spurs boss could be forced to turn to Vedran Corluka and even Tom Huddlestone against the champions.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ter-United.html

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play park ahead of nani to help our LB

that would do, rooney-berba should scare them enough with their defend crisis like taiko alien said...
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BPL back this weekend... great, no Man Utd players injured during the international break... rite?

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play park ahead of nani to help our LB

that would do, rooney-berba should scare them enough with their defend crisis like taiko alien said...
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But then Park will not offer that kind of threats Nani will provide. I can see Evra will not attack as much as he like and if Park not offering that threat as well, our left hand side will be pretty useless attacking wise?

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Rio Ferdinand may make an ahead-of-schedule return from injury in time for Saturday's trip to Tottenham.

The England international defender has been out of action since the Community Shield due to a thigh injury, but has trained all week and may now feature at White Hart Lane.

"Rio has a chance for Saturday," Sir Alex said. "I’m not sure it’s a big chance but he has a chance.

"We’ve had a good group of players training here at Carrington while the internationals have been going on – Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Gary Neville, Anderson, Ji-sung Park... also young Fabio and Michael Owen. So we have a decent squad. In fact, it’s unusual to have that many players here [during the international break]."

Sir Alex confirmed Gary Neville had trained every day after playing for the Reserves last Thursday and will be available for selection on Saturday. John O'Shea, however, is unlikely to be passed fit after returning from international duty with a calf injury.

Despite having a "decent squad" to choose from, the manager knows Saturday's opponents will pose a stern test. Tottenham have started the season brightly, winning all four of their games.

"I watched a couple of videos yesterday and they’ll be a handful for us," Sir Alex said. "But that’s the nature of the Premier League. Hopefully I can pick the right team and get a good result.

"I think Tottenham can break into the top four. Harry’s brought in a few of his own types of players, players he’s familiar with like Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe.

"He’s now got Nico Kranjcar as well from Portsmouth and Wilson Palacios from Wigan, who was a good signing and brought some steel into the midfield.

"They’ve really started well this season there’s a good degree of experience there. I think Tottenham definitely have a realistic chance of breaking into the top four. Them and City are ahead of the rest, I think... then it's Everton and Aston Villa."


http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=...&newsid=6639363

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But then Park will not offer that kind of threats Nani will provide. I can see Evra will not attack as much as he like and if Park not offering that threat as well, our left hand side will be pretty useless attacking wise?
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But then Park will not offer that kind of threats Nani will provide. I can see Evra will not attack as much as he like and if Park not offering that threat as well, our left hand side will be pretty useless attacking wise?
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left side we use Park and Evra to defense Lennon's treat while we can attack from Right (Valencia/Nani) and thru the middle. Put Rooney and Berbatov upfront so that Lennon will have to do extra works by coming back and helping his right back tongue.gif
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Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has become a rare voice against blocking the trade of Under-18 footballers, defending his club's policy of signing the best young players from around the world and claiming the rules should actually be relaxed.

The French coach criticised the current rules which make it difficult for English clubs to sign youths from Asia, South America and Africa.

Wenger claims that stopping a practice that Leeds chairman Ken Bates has described as "baby farming" would actually put the players at more risk andthey would likely fall prey to unscruplious agents.

FIFA are determined to clean up the game after last week banning Chelsea from signing any players until 2011. Since the Gael Kakuta ruling a whole host of offended clubs have come out to demand action.

Most of Europe's top clubs have stated they would support a ban on any transfers for under-age players, but Wenger strongly disagrees claiming there are many advantages to joining big clubs with a professional infrastructure.

Arsenal have one of the most cosmopolitan Academies in Europe with players from all over the globe.

"People think that we take 30 players every year and you get them into your academy," he insisted. "No, it's not like that. When we take one or two, we give them a top level education, we give them a top level scholarship, and we look after them socially.

"Look at the alternative. If you ban players from moving before the age of 18, you know what will happen? The player will be sold anyway,'' he said. "To whom? To agents. At what age? At 13, 14. Where will they go? Not to top-level clubs with top-level education.

"They will go to clubs who have been bought by business people, of a very low level, and will stay there until the age of 18 waiting to be sold. The money will go out of the game. You have always to look if you make one decision, what kind of alternative?

"If your players cannot move to the best clubs, I believe they will not improve. At the end of the day, to be a top-level player is to be with the best. You can speak bout the compensation level, is it right or not. I am open to that.

"I am against the process of stopping the players moving to the top level. If you have a child who is a good musician, what is your first reaction? It is to put it into a good music school, not in an average one, so why should that not happen in football?

"If a player goes to Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United, it is all clean and he gets a good education. That is why I am very sharp on cases like that. We have to respect the rules that are in place.

"England is, at the moment, in a weak position for taking young players because they inflict a big handicap on themselves by the fact that they have no access to Asian players, no access to South American players, no access to African players.

"On top of that, if it was impossible to take European players then you will have a big handicap in the future for English football. What is happening now is a case that I have fought for a long, long time against - people with regressive ideas.

"To expose your local players to top-world class players does not harm your players, it improves your players because it respects one basic rule - the best to become better have to play better. If you have a good national team today, it just proves it conforms to what I have preached for a long, long time - don't hide the best players in England from being exposed with the best ones, because that will make them weaker.

"Get them to be confronted with the best and make them stronger."


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Sir Alex Ferguson has launched an impassioned defence of Manchester United's signing of young players and insisted it would be ''crazy'' to even contemplate paying parents.

United were accused by the president of French club Le Havre, Jean-Pierre Louvel, of offering the parents of 16-year-old Paul Pogba a house and £170,000 in cash.

Chelsea have been banned from making signings for two transfer windows for inducing a teenager to break his contract with another French club, Lens, and a number of other complaints against English clubs have since been made.

Apart from the Pogba case, Fiorentina have written to FIFA over United's swoop for 16-year-old Italian defender Michele Fornasier, though a formal investigation has yet to be launched.

Ferguson said: ''There has been a lot of jumping on the bandwagon of course but I can assure you that Manchester United have behaved absolutely correctly in all their dealings with young players and their parents.

''There has never been a case, ever, that we have paid parents. It would be crazy to even contemplate that because it would be the biggest headache you could ever have, paying a parent.

''This was levelled [at us] by some frustrated director at the French club and he's now going to have to retract. We do it impeccably. They were always going to bring Manchester United into it because they are the biggest club, but without any foundation, without any knowledge of the situation whatsoever.

''What other clubs do is subject to a lot of controversy at the moment but I'm confident at our own club.''

Ferguson also revealed that Rio Ferdinand is in contention for United's match at Tottenham on Saturday evening but John O'Shea is set to be missing after suffering a calf injury on duty with the Republic of Ireland.

Ferguson added: ''Rio has been in training this week and has a got a chance for Saturday, I'm not sure how big a chance but he has got a chance. I don't know if there's any injuries with the players coming back from games but I think the England players are all right.''

Ireland's coach Giovanni Trapattoni had warned that O'Shea could be ruled out for a couple of months if he is rushed back into action too soon.

Ferguson said: ''O'Shea has not trained - he came back with a calf injury from Ireland's game in Cyprus and is doubtful for Saturday so we will see what he's like.''


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French academic Maurice Druon who spent his career trying to banish English words like "le chewing gum" and "fast-food" from the French language has died aged 90.

He became famous for his angry tirades against the invasion of English into French.

He spent decades trying to rid his language of hundreds of foreign words – everything from "supermodel" and "takeaway" to "low-cost airline" and email" – which he claimed destroyed the purity of his mother tongue.

Even such obscure terms as 'shadowboxing', 'detachable motor caravan' and 'suppression subtractive hybridisation' – which have slipped into French usage – were included in his banned lists.

He regularly updated his catalogue of 'offensive' English words on the website of the famous Academie Française – the centuries-old institution set up to protect French culture.

On the latest hit-list, he targeted words including barbecue, blazer, bowling, jeans, cover girl, drugstore, jackpot, job and knockout.

One of his greatest challenges was finding alternative words for new technology, with an entire page on the website devoted to the word "podcasting".

It also noted that the French do not appreciate the term 'Wi-Fi' – easily pronounceable in French as 'wee-fee' – because it is short for the English phrase "wireless fidelity".

So it recommended that France's millions of internet users say 'acces sans fil a l'internet'.

Druon was said to be furious when French culture minister Xavier darcos admitted last year that the secret to success is speaking better English.

Mr Darcos also warned that because of globalisation, very few people outside France will being able to speak French in the future.

Druon was later quoted as describing the minister's remarks as 'high treason'.

As one of France's most respected intellectuals, Druon – a former World War Two Resistance fighter – also published a series of historical novels and was French culture minister for two years in the 1970s.

President Nicolas Sarkozy payed tribute to him yesterday, saying: "He was a great writer, a great politician and a grand soul."

He died at his home in Paris on Tuesday.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...guage-dies.html

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Agree with Wenger a bit. You can make a case if the club is irresponsible. But if the clubs genuinely took care of them, whats the problem? It's just a case of what sort of compensation the old club should get.. they need to work on that, since if their best young players get to leave for free, whats the point in having academy and stuff.
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wenger's philosophy is totally based on what he said above ( the real reason he really back up NOT to ban that kind of transfer). he buy cheap and if he has to sell, then he sell bigger than he bought.

so thats his standard MO. thats why he sort of 'find ways' not to ban. he noted about the irresponsibile clubs to be disciplined. okay so those clubs with shoddy treatment got punished. so he basically all good for clubs to POACH talents all around the world. he said nothing about morality whatsoever.

i am no saint and i do support man united to open their zillion-th academy centre in country Z, but what i am trying to tell is, arsene using loopholes in this morality subject to deliver his opinion. maybe next he will say football is the game of the world, so no nationalities OWN football.

i remember 1 season they play football WITHOUT a single englishman. an english team, playing in EPL, but without or a single englishman. thats philosophy of arsene. i summed up that pretty well i must say.

for me the solution is, get the rules right first. for example that stupid italian law saying no contract is given before they reach 18. get that alter first. then we proceed from there. the case with chelsea is nothing wrong with the law. it simply bribery and stupidity of arnesen.

sometime normal people given enormous power can result in disastrous end. arnesen is one of them. the next i would predict the chief of scouting of MAN CITY.
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As long as they do it the right way, there's nothing wrong with what they did. It's unfair to the 'feeder clubs' of course since they would lose the player(s) almost for nothing and they can do nothing about it, but that's up to the governing bodies to rectify. Make it so they can get compensation for the players they lose, or make it the young players between the age of xx-xx(xx-18 till they can sign a proper pro contract) under their books so that any other clubs wishing to get that player, have to go through the club. That way, it's up to the club whether to accept a bid or not.. they get money, the player(s) get a chance to further their career, and the buying club will have the player they wanted to develop further.. everyones happy.

As for Arsenal not having any English players.. look at them. They don't spend that much over the years. The stadium and their financial state, and even now they don't spend much on any players. Benitez should look at him before complaining he doesn't have money to spend, because Wenger hardly spend any, whether he has them or not is another matter. And English players cost A LOT. Even the young players cost a lot. And looking at the English players, only a select few are special. Rooney, Walcott.. who else? That's why he looks outside for his sources. It's not right, but he has to think whats right for his club. He looks for specific attributes in his players, and all his players are comfortable with the ball at their feet. The English players lack them.. and I would say, right now they have a few Englishmen starting to come out from their academy.

Again it goes back to the rules. In England they have this stupid rule of signing youth players only within 90mins of the club or something. They wanted to protect the small clubs, but in doing so, they somewhat stunted the development stage. The cream always rises to the top of course, but if you read about Scholes' story and the English mentality regarding how they play and develop players, you would know why that rule is stupid. If Scholes wasn't spotted by us, god knows what he might be doing right now.. still work at McD? who knows.
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As long as they do it the right way, there's nothing wrong with what they did. It's  unfair to the 'feeder clubs' of course since they would lose the player(s) almost for nothing and they can do nothing about it, but that's up to the governing bodies to rectify. Make it so they can get compensation for the players they lose, or make it the young players between the age of xx-xx(xx-18 till they can sign a proper pro contract) under their books so that any other clubs wishing to get that player, have to go through the club. That way, it's up to the club whether to accept a bid or not.. they get money, the player(s) get a chance to further their career, and the buying club will have the player they wanted to develop further.. everyones happy.

As for Arsenal not having any English players.. look at them. They don't spend that much over the years. The stadium and their financial state, and even now they don't spend much on any players. Benitez should look at him before complaining he doesn't have money to spend, because Wenger hardly spend any, whether he has them or not is another matter. And English players cost A LOT. Even the young players cost a lot. And looking at the English players, only a select few are special. Rooney, Walcott.. who else? That's why he looks outside for his sources. It's not right, but he has to think whats right for his club. He looks for specific attributes in his players, and all his players are comfortable with the ball at their feet. The English players lack them.. and I would say, right now they have a few Englishmen starting to come out from their academy.

Again it goes back to the rules. In England they have this stupid rule of signing youth players only within 90mins of the club or something. They wanted to protect the small clubs, but in doing so, they somewhat stunted the development stage. The cream always rises to the top of course, but if you read about Scholes' story and the English mentality regarding how they play and develop players, you would know why that rule is stupid. If Scholes wasn't spotted by us, god knows what he might be doing right now.. still work at McD? who knows.
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I still prefer nani on the left. He produces real threat compares to ji-sung which is more to holding and control the ball. Maybe can start ji sung on the right and valencia comes out during 2nd half.
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Added on September 11, 2009, 4:35 pmGO MAN U GO ! RED DEVILS IS THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD . HAHA! AHAKZ!

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Nani on the left - Valencia on the right

Then they switch flank every time they are marked...NICE!!

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Sir Alex admits leaving out Zoran Tosic and Ritchie De Laet from United’s 25-man Champions League squad wasn’t easy.

Neither player – both of whom impressed during pre-season – is eligible to feature in the group stage of the forthcoming campaign, which begins on Tuesday with a tricky fixture in Turkey.

Some papers had suggested Tosic’s exclusion was tantamount to the end of his United career, but Sir Alex was quick to dispel any such rumours.

“It was just a numbers decision,” the manager said. “We have such a massive squad now.

“The difficulty was around what we should do with Owen Hargreaves, whether or not to put him or Zoran in the squad. The other player [who narrowly missed out] was Ritchie De Laet.

“We came down on the side of Hargreaves because, having taken the medical advice, we think he’ll be available for the last three Champions League group-stage games.”

That news, while disappointing for Tosic and De Laet, comes as a big boost for United fans, some of whom had begun to wonder if they’d ever see Hargreaves again in a red shirt.

But the midfielder is due back at Carrington towards the end of September and Sir Alex is confident he’ll have a part to play in the play in the Reds’ quest for European glory.

“He’s such a versatile player who can perform in so many positions, so he could be a very important player for us at that time of the season. That was the reason [we included him ahead of others in the European squad].”

Tosic and De Laet’s exclusions don't mean they won’t be given the chance to shine on other stages; the manager was particularly positive when talking about De Laet and suggested the young Belgian could play in “a lot of league games” this term.


http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=...&newsid=6639430

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Tottenham and Manchester United will be hastily assessing the fitness of their international stars ahead of their meeting at White Hart Lane on Saturday.

The international break means that both clubs would only have welcomed back some of their squad as late as Friday after their long-haul exertions for their respective countries.

United winger Antonio Valencia helped Ecuador to a 3-1 win in Bolivia on Wednesday, while Park Ji-Sung has just returned from Seoul after playing in a friendly for South Korea against Australia last week.

Meanwhile, Spurs duo Wilson Palacios and Giovani Dos Santos faced each other when Honduras and Mexico came head-to-head in Mexico City in midweek, while full-back Benoit Assou-Ekotto was in Africa with Cameroon.

Both managers will be cursing their luck that such a big game has fallen at such an unfortunate time in the football calendar, but both squads have enough quality to plug the gaps if necessary.

Spurs have begun the season in spectacular fashion, winning all four of their opening four games and sitting pretty in second with just goal difference keeping them behind Chelsea.

Reknapp's men have already beaten United's title rivals Liverpool at home on the opening day of the season and confidence is high in the Tottenham camp having scored 11 Premier League goals so far this term.
Notable absence

One negative for Spurs will be the notable absence of Luka Modric after he suffered a broken leg against Birmingham last time out.

The little Croatian is not expected back until the end of October, so pressure will be on Aaron Lennon to continue his flying start to the season down the right flank.

The 22-year-old is one of the only widemen to consistently trouble Red Devils left-back Patrice Evra and Redknapp will be asking the England international to run at the defender for the whole 90 minutes.

Redknapp could also be boosted by the return of defenders Sebastian Bassong (knee) and Ledley King (groin), while Michael Dawson (Achilles), Gareth Bale (knee) and midfielder Jermaine Jenas (calf) could also return from their respective lay-offs.

However, Jonathan Woodgate (groin) is expected to need another week of rest before he can be considered for first-team action.

Goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes (thigh) is close to a full recovery as Redknapp begins to get the bulk of his squad back fit.

Niko Kranjcar is in line to make his Spurs debut and come in for the injured Modric after signing from Portsmouth last week.

Rio return

The champions could welcome Rio Ferdinand (thigh) back into the side after the defender came back sooner than expected.

However, John O'Shea is very doubtful after he returned from international duty with Republic of Ireland with a calf complaint.

Brazilian youngster Rafael is close to a comeback from shoulder surgery but he is unlikely to be risked, so either Wes Brown, who shrugged off a knock in England training this week, or Gary Neville should start at full-back.

Goalkeeper Edwin van der Sar (thumb), Gabriel Obertan (back) and Owen Hargreaves (knee) are all long-term casualties and are not expected back until October at the earliest.

Probable starting XIs

Tottenham: Cudicini, Corluka, King, Bassong, Assou-Ekotto, Lennon, Palacios, Huddlestone, Kranjcar, Keane, Defoe.

Man Utd: Foster, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Park, Fletcher, Carrick, Nani, Berbatov, Rooney

One to watch: Aaron Lennon


http://www.skysports.com/football/match_pr...3149461,00.html

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Tosic should understand he is in a beneficial situation right now. Our wing play efficiency reduced after CR left and with Nani, Park, Valencia are not really stepping up to earn their place in starting 11, Tosic should take the chance and proved himself to others especially SAF that he deserve to be on the starting 11. One of the way to do it is go do in international duties and impressed the reserve team coaches. He able to did that and what is lacking now is SAF decision whether to give him a run or not.

IMO, Tosic can perform better than Park and Nani in terms of offensive duty. He is pacey and he can cross. He can cut and took on defender which impressed me. I can't said that I'm a big fan of his but I truly felt that he deserve a chance on the field. I sometimes hope one or two of the senior winger is not fit so he can have a chance on the field but SAF would rather throw Wellback at the wing instead of him sweat.gif He is a talent, no doubt about that but you can't always keep talent at bench or reserve him. He should on the starting 11, really hope can he shine and improve our wing play.
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Tosic should understand he is in a beneficial situation right now. Our wing play efficiency reduced after CR left and with Nani, Park, Valencia are not really stepping up to earn their place in starting 11, Tosic should take the chance and proved himself to others especially SAF that he deserve to be on the starting 11. One of the way to do it is go do in international duties and impressed the reserve team coaches. He able to did that and what is lacking now is SAF decision whether to give him a run or not.

IMO, Tosic can perform better than Park and Nani in terms of offensive duty. He is pacey and he can cross. He can cut and took on defender which impressed me. I can't said that I'm a big fan of his but I truly felt that he deserve a chance on the field. I sometimes hope one or two of the senior winger is not fit so he can have a chance on the field but SAF would rather throw Wellback at the wing instead of him sweat.gif He is a talent, no doubt about that but you can't always keep talent at bench or reserve him. He should on the starting 11, really hope can he shine and improve our wing play.
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Tosic's small but he's fast. Still remember his stepovers during pre-season matches. He needs to build his body strength though. The good thing now is we have a lot of wingers who can play both flanks,and our new boy obertan is able to do that too. Tosic may not get much of first team opportunities, but he is still playing for our reserve team. He will probably get his chances during league, fa cup and eventually when we have some leftover matches in group phase after an early qualifying into the knockout stage.

Nani didn't get much chances until ronaldo left, but now he's only 22...imagine that tongue.gif

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another united fan underestimating nani.. he is our best winger now.. he has full of tricks, he's fast, he has a good shot, plus he can cross well using both feet
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QUOTE(rayz1031 @ Sep 11 2009, 07:12 PM)
Tosic should understand he is in a beneficial situation right now. Our wing play efficiency reduced after CR left and with Nani, Park, Valencia are not really stepping up to earn their place in starting 11, Tosic should take the chance and proved himself to others especially SAF that he deserve to be on the starting 11. One of the way to do it is go do in international duties and impressed the reserve team coaches. He able to did that and what is lacking now is SAF decision whether to give him a run or not.

IMO, Tosic can perform better than Park and Nani in terms of offensive duty. He is pacey and he can cross. He can cut and took on defender which impressed me. I can't said that I'm a big fan of his but I truly felt that he deserve a chance on the field. I sometimes hope one or two of the senior winger is not fit so he can have a chance on the field but SAF would rather throw Wellback at the wing instead of him sweat.gif He is a talent, no doubt about that but you can't always keep talent at bench or reserve him. He should on the starting 11, really hope can he shine and improve our wing play.
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Macheda, Evans, Rafael, Welbeck, Fabio.. SAF is not afraid to play them in games, depending on the occasion and the availability of other players. If Tosic impresses in training/reserve games, ad truly deserve his chances with the first team, he would get games. He just doesn't show enough yet.

Even Obertan even got ahead of him in the CL squad. Look fairly 'average' in the pre-season games. He still has a chance, but he need to show it. He looks like someone who can't beat defenders, can't cross and does nothing apart from that. His first game for us against Spurs I think was impressive I thought. Really look like a 'finer' but less busy version of Park. Need to show that part more rather try and play like A. Valencia does. He does better cutting inside.. his game for Serbia, against S. Africa I think where he scored 2 goals came when he played on the right.


Added on September 11, 2009, 8:51 pmNani's first season. 25(+14 subs) games, 4 goals, 11 assists(2nd behind Rooney that season for us). Last season of course he didn't really have a good season.. 6 goals, 2 assists in 23(+7 subs) games, but even Anderson didn't shine compared to the previous season. And last season as a team, we struggled a bit going forward. This season so far in 4 games, 2 goals and 1 assists. Not bad. He's our best option there on form right now.. and apart from the unknown(Obertan/Ljajic), potentially our best winger if he fulfill his potential.

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so the match going to be on this saturday nite at 12 am or sunday's 12am?
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so the match going to be on this saturday nite at 12 am or sunday's 12am?
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Sep 11 2009, 08:33 PM)
another united fan underestimating nani.. he is our best winger now.. he has full of tricks, he's fast, he has a good shot, plus he can cross well using both feet
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he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot

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Added on September 11, 2009, 10:36 pmanyone here know about where can i get Man utd season review in KL ?? i means sungai wang or Timesquare or tower record Lot 10 ??

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QUOTE(w3er @ Sep 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot
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with more matches and maturity he can be a world class player.
he seem like the best winger we got at moment so let just hv the faith

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Agree with Wenger a bit. You can make a case if the club is irresponsible. But if the clubs genuinely took care of them, whats the problem? It's just a case of what sort of compensation the old club should get.. they need to work on that, since if their best young players get to leave for free, whats the point in having academy and stuff.
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united feeder clubs are paid quite well for the players they feed, help to transition from non-eu to eu player, and great loan deals for fledglings.
then of coz united and arsenal have a history of developing their own players.
there are clubs that only buy buy buy and sell sell....ruining careers of players, e.g. I thought Robinho and Saviola would be football gods but going to RM was the "best thing to do" rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 11 2009, 01:17 PM)
As long as they do it the right way, there's nothing wrong with what they did. It's  unfair to the 'feeder clubs' of course since they would lose the player(s) almost for nothing and they can do nothing about it, but that's up to the governing bodies to rectify. Make it so they can get compensation for the players they lose, or make it the young players between the age of xx-xx(xx-18 till they can sign a proper pro contract) under their books so that any other clubs wishing to get that player, have to go through the club. That way, it's up to the club whether to accept a bid or not.. they get money, the player(s) get a chance to further their career, and the buying club will have the player they wanted to develop further.. everyones happy.

As for Arsenal not having any English players.. look at them. They don't spend that much over the years. The stadium and their financial state, and even now they don't spend much on any players. Benitez should look at him before complaining he doesn't have money to spend, because Wenger hardly spend any, whether he has them or not is another matter. And English players cost A LOT. Even the young players cost a lot. And looking at the English players, only a select few are special. Rooney, Walcott.. who else? That's why he looks outside for his sources. It's not right, but he has to think whats right for his club. He looks for specific attributes in his players, and all his players are comfortable with the ball at their feet. The English players lack them.. and I would say, right now they have a few Englishmen starting to come out from their academy.

Again it goes back to the rules. In England they have this stupid rule of signing youth players only within 90mins of the club or something. They wanted to protect the small clubs, but in doing so, they somewhat stunted the development stage. The cream always rises to the top of course, but if you read about Scholes' story and the English mentality regarding how they play and develop players, you would know why that rule is stupid. If Scholes wasn't spotted by us, god knows what he might be doing right now.. still work at McD? who knows.
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QUOTE(w3er @ Sep 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot
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I would disagree with you at this point. He is probably one of the best player around now. He's trickery and it's hard for defenders to intercept him. It's still early of the season and he's improving. Whenever he gets the ball, i expect something real good from him. I still remember his combination with evra during chelsea's community shield match. It was real awesome.

I watched him during portugal's match and even he was a sub, he played really well(I did pay attention to him tho its a short time).. His corner kick even led to liedson's goal. smile.gif

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QUOTE(w3er @ Sep 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot
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Shock horror! A young player who doesn't play to his full capabilities consistently.

His pass to Owen.. His cross to Berba in the Arsenal game. That should have been a goal. I remember he did something similar to assist Rooney against Blackburn. His first season here he was the 2nd highest assist in our team. Last season of course he sort of had a 2nd season syndrome. As for unpredictable, that's a good thing The opposition wouldn't know what he'll do although that would be the same for our players. But he'll improve his delivery.

He was badly ruined by being in and out of the team too much last season. See how Ronaldo was earlier. Damn frustrating although he does have his good bits too. Same with what Nani is going through. And who would have thought Fletcher would become the player that he is today, a very important piece in our team currently as it stands if we just judge him on his first few seasons in the first team. It takes time with young players and we can't expect them to be special from day one and play consistently at a high level in almost each game. That's just not possible. He started the season brightly so far. More to come.

Hey may never be as good as Ronaldo/Rooney, but he'll be a damn fine winger for us if he fulfill his potential. Heck, just him getting consistency in his game would make him one of the best wingers around. That will come as he grow older.



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ler, still not over meh talk about nani replace ronaldo???

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QUOTE(w3er @ Sep 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot
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you didn't get your fachts (oops, did i just said fachts? tongue.gif ) right before posting. First season, he was second best assist, second season although suffered from dip of form, but he still assisted few.

not every players are naturally gifted and become strong when they are young. Some players need 2, 3, 4 years to polish their skills before they finally developed into a good players. A good example will be our own Fletcher. Few season back he was shit and received a lot of critics from the fans but see how is he now? He become one of the important centre figure for us now. He is certain for a start in the middle while the likes of Carrick, Anderson, Scholes and Giggs have to battle to get another spot to play alongside with Fletcher.


The season just started, don't judge him too fast...judge him when when 1/2 season end. So far, he is doing ok for me. Besides Rooney, he is the second players in the team who is playing good football so far.
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QUOTE(w3er @ Sep 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot
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I beg to disagree. Nani crossing is one of his most valuable asset. I do rate his crossing is the best after injured Hargo in the squad. He have great dribbling skills, just see how he fool around with Ars at the FA cup. He pwned them with his skill and crossing ability. IMO, Nani is one of the best option we had in the wing right now.

Back to Tosic. One thing about him is that people always said that he is small and lack of physical present. But just remember that tomorrow Evra going to face even smaller winger but extremely dangerous which is Lennon. He is smaller and less buffer compared to Tosic and yet he have chance to prove himself on the field. I don't know what is running in SAF mind but I have faith in his talent management. He seldom get the wrong talent and I believe Tosic is the one for future, maybe this season he can get more run out, who knows.

p/s: my comment is all about giving more chance to youth, not about who replacing who or who is the better winger tongue.gif

QUOTE(nizamhameed @ Sep 12 2009, 12:05 AM)
ler, still not over meh talk about nani replace ronaldo???
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Was talking about Tosic but suddenly Nani become topic again doh.gif

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QUOTE(w3er @ Sep 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot
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just take one of the latest game; birmingham
2 assists for fletcher in one game vs arsenal (fa cup)
numerous from corner kicks
away vs blackburn on 07/08, his corner led to goal.. keep in mind even the midget scholes can head it to tevez for the goal

last time we didnt really have good headers of the ball except ronaldo, but still he can assists quite a lot
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QUOTE(rayz1031 @ Sep 12 2009, 03:22 AM)
I beg to disagree. Nani crossing is one of his most valuable asset. I do rate his crossing is the best after injured Hargo in the squad. He have great dribbling skills, just see how he fool around with Ars at the FA cup. He pwned them with his skill and crossing ability. IMO, Nani is one of the best option we had in the wing right now.

Back to Tosic. One thing about him is that people always said that he is small and lack of physical present. But just remember that tomorrow Evra going to face even smaller winger but extremely dangerous which is Lennon. He is smaller and less buffer compared to Tosic and yet he have chance to prove himself on the field. I don't know what is running in SAF mind but I have faith in his talent management. He seldom get the wrong talent and I believe Tosic is the one for future, maybe this season he can get more run out, who knows.

p/s: my comment is all about giving more chance to youth, not about who replacing who or who is the better winger tongue.gif
Was talking about Tosic but suddenly Nani become topic again  doh.gif
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Nani's crossing is good. It's the unpredictable nature of his which make him not so efficient right now. Valencia's crossing is great too IMO. He delivers them early so our attackers know what to expect compared to Nani who like to fool around a bit. Valencia just need a plan B in his game, while Nani need to keep his options to a minimum. He has plan A to Z. Turn here, turn there, turn again and again.. laugh.gif but when he gets them right, it's funny to watch the defenders struggling to stay on their feet.

Lennon is a tricky and pacy winger. He can beat defenders for fun with just his pace alone. Add his trickery, he's very hard to stop one on one. Tosic doesn't have the pace to beat defenders as easily. If he had that, SAF would have used him more last season seeing how Nani struggled last season, and we needed a bit more options down the wings. Tosic struggled to beat Asian defenders, no disrespect. He couldn't beat the defenders on the outside and deliver crosses which I thought was one of his strong point(good delivery). Dare I say, Richardson like on the left. Maybe he's not suited to play the 'winger down the touchline crossing' role but better cutting in, exchanging short passes, pass and move type, and beat defenders now and then.

Fabio, Rafael, Macheda, Gibson, Welbeck.. they all proved SAF is not afraid to use youth and give them a chance in the first team if they have the ability+mentality to handle the first team games. Tosic need to earn his chance and when he does, he need to grab it, which may happen in the early rounds of the CC/FA Cup. He's still young and can improve further.. may take over from Park someday. But things will not get easier if Obertan gets back and impresses straight away. Then Ljajic will come over in January + Valencia, Park and Nani would make it 6 wingers fighting for two spots. The latter 3 is confirmed as the 'first' choice, and only left one spot to be won. Hargreaves is gonna be back around Nov-December too. But as the defence showed last few seasons, our luck with injuries would meant that they would all get plenty of games shared around themselves. sweat.gif
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i wonder how will SAF will line up his team today...hermmm
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QUOTE(narutokun2003 @ Sep 12 2009, 07:57 AM)
i wonder how will  SAF will line up his team today...hermmm
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Gary - Vida - Rio/Evans - Evra
Nani - Fletcher - Scholes - Park
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Rio Ferdinand and Gary Neville are both in contention for Manchester United’s trip to Tottenham.

Ferdinand has yet to play a competitive match for United this season after a thigh injury but is back in training, while Neville proved his fitness in a reserve match last week.

Sir Alex Ferguson may start Antonio Valencia on the bench as the Ecuador winger has had a long journey back from international duty in Bolivia, where he scored in a 3-1 win to give his country a good chance of qualifying for the World Cup.

"Valencia was playing in Bolivia so he'll probably arrive back in November!" said Ferguson. "Just think of a player playing a game in Bolivia on a Thursday morning and expected to be playing at Tottenham on a Saturday, but that's what happens now."

John O’Shea is certain to be missing after suffering a calf injury on duty with the Republic of Ireland, while keeper Edwin van der Sar’s broken thumb will keep him out for another month.


http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/spo..._united_preview

Doesn't sounds like Valencia will get a start.
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Valencia is not available so Park is in for me. I would predict the same lineup as Alien did. Gary should have a run out and Rio need more match under his belt. It is really good to have seniors members that retired from international duty. Well, in this case is Scholes alone laugh.gif

Finally can talk bpl football already. This thread is soooo cold for the past 2 weeks.
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This is my preferred line up:
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Brown Ferdinand Vidic Evra

Nani Fletcher Scholes/Carrick Park

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but i've got a felling *woohoo* that SAF is gonna play 5 men midfield since it's away which damn limit our attack sweat.gif
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is it just me or are we looking kinda vulnerable in midfield now? sad.gif
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QUOTE(nshady @ Sep 12 2009, 12:37 PM)
Will be heading to mamak to watch both arsenal and manchester united's match. Roti canai satu bang. smile.gif
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QUOTE(LCTho85 @ Sep 12 2009, 01:41 PM)
is it just me or are we looking kinda vulnerable in midfield now?  sad.gif
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Maybe giggs will be partnering fletcher tonight? tongue.gif hmm...would be great to see park playing tonight smile.gif

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no more like last season super heart attack game...first half was owned by Spurs then second half goal fest...my heart cannot take it anymore. Hahaha..old already!

Park will be covered for Evra on the left while we can attack from Nani (right) and thru the middle

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giggsy?
haha i prefer scholes fletcher pairing.

carrick not performing this season.
anyone agree?

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