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Tak3shi
post Aug 30 2009, 03:28 PM

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It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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post Aug 30 2009, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 03:33 PM)
I agreed. Everytime you look at his playing you'll see he's so dull like a stone. Why can he make more run instead of waiting at the 6 yard box? is it because of SAF tactic?
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Since the start i've seen him play. He's been damn lazy. Everytime he lose the ball and get tackle he will have the moaning face look and try to give the whining look to the referee. At least Rooney tries not to go down and after he goes down he tries to get the ball back. Berbatov just throws his hands into the air!

I don't fault his skill but his attitude pissing me off. At least Tevez had 70% of his talent but 5 times his work rate and attitude on the pitch.

That said, if he's not so emo he really can be brilliant. Let's wait till the season ends.
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post Aug 30 2009, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Wan @ Aug 30 2009, 03:58 PM)
AC Milan is crap. Now without Kaka, they're crapper than ever. But Inter does look good, but they're nothing special IMO. Good midfield they may have, but last season couldn't do a thing against us.

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- No creativity from midfield.
- No final pass.
- Hesitant when in front of Goal.
- Lost possession one too many times due to misplaced passes.
- No chemistry between players, often missing each others runs and passes.
- Very little shots on goal.
- Dozed of the last 5 minutes of the game in extra time. (Berbatov was crap, he didn't even play like he wanted to be on the pitch, so damn lazy) The goal ruled offside from Van Persie was because one of our players was sleeping when the ball was passed to him, that could have cost us 2 points!
- Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win.
- Bad tactics, to play on the flanks when our right winger isn't up to par, both their fullbacks did a good job against our wingers.
- Giggs went missing, lost possession way too many times, especially on crucial moments i would rate him a 4 if not for his "assist" with the Diaby goal.

Positives
- Broke up possession.
- Defended well.
- Quick counter attacking (passes in the final 3rd let us down, together with the 1st touch and hesitant attitude of some players)
- Brown did a decent job considering he hasn't played in a while.
- Fletcher did well, except for the missed opportunity, but he is not RVN so he's forgiven for that.

We won this time due to the mistakes from their keeper and the defender. Even in the games in Wigan, i hope we start to gel or we'll be in trouble real soon.

Don't expect Champion league victory this season, i'd be contented if we retained the league.
Both side misplace passes. It was that kind of a game with both sides looking to cancel each other out. But Giggs was frustrating in the first half at least. He had a lot of good chances to create something but always found a way to mess them up.

We had a lot of final pass in the end, but one way or another, we mess them up at crucial times. And in the first half if it wasn't for Giggs somehow messing them up, we would have a lot.

It's only 5 games into the season, so you would expect them not to be at their best yet in terms of team play.

Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win? What kind of bull is that. We both wanted to win the match... we're the one who got the 2nd goal, and of course they would try their best to get their own 2nd goal so they won't lose. They mess up, just like we did when we should have got the 3rd goal..

Bad tactics? It was perfect to counter Arsenal with their movement. As shown in the past that formation is effective for the big games although it doesn't always look pretty on the eye. What do you suggest then? We play 442 with the same player on the right wing? Same thing.. notworthy.gif

As for our creativity, this is the midfield for the last few seasons which supported our attacks to great effect. You've been banging on and on about it, but name me again who started in midfield last few seasons? It's not about looking back at the past, but if we are so crap, we wouldn't have managed to score so many goals or even be as successful as we did, with or without Ronaldo.
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Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.

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post Aug 30 2009, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(odieseven @ Aug 30 2009, 04:11 PM)
Berba just got in for 15minutes & he got blamed for that short of a play time? I feel that he would be of a more impact if we were behind...which we're not. He's just not under pressure...What's the most important at that point is possession. Give the guy a break. I have faith in him. Carrick, Ando, Brown, Giggs are under performing right now....Why not blame them too?
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Whose blaming him for anything, it's just his attitude that he's shown since he's joined us. In terms of attitude on the pitch tevez was miles ahead.


Added on August 30, 2009, 4:18 pm
QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 04:13 PM)
Anyway Berba remind me of Christian Vieri. Similar style and phsical strength but Vieri is more prolific. I like that kind of striker because they look lazy and slow but they always sharp in front of goal. Btw, why i dont see Anderson at yesterday match?
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Quarrel with Fergie. laugh.gif

He's been off form this season, so maybe let him rest and focus on training so he can get better. I really don't know what position Anderson plays best because he was AMC when MU bought him and he played AMC for both Gremio and Porto. Maybe it's to make him more of a complete midfielder?


Added on August 30, 2009, 4:19 pm
QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 04:13 PM)
Anyway Berba remind me of Christian Vieri. Similar style and phsical strength but Vieri is more prolific. I like that kind of striker because they look lazy and slow but they always sharp in front of goal. Btw, why i dont see Anderson at yesterday match?
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Christian Veiri is a legend! I used to like him a lot when i was younger! Berbatov has a loooong way to go.

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post Aug 30 2009, 04:29 PM

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[quote=nizamhameed,Aug 30 2009, 04:25 PM]
Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.
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so ur talking abt ronaldo?

yeah we sold him, and we r training NANI, Obertan to be his successor la

wait ma, not straight to get "ronaldo"
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yo bro, i talked about ronaldo because your friend here said we won the team with the same midfielders last year. He forgot that a huge part of contribution was from ronaldo.

If not why i want to mention Ronaldo, ronaldo leave i don't care. But u expect us to perform as well as last season without him, please be realistic. Whatever i've said has been mentioned on player rating football sites like goal.com. It's not a negative rating, it's a factual rating.
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post Aug 30 2009, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Wan @ Aug 30 2009, 04:30 PM)
Maybe, he would have killed them off.. or maybe not seeing his finishing for the last few games. We needed someone able to keep the ball, and Berba is mighty strong at that. He just got off balance, and probably in hindsight should have stop the ball first and then shoot with that one chance he got.

Why can't he just play the way he is and be effective at the same time? Rooney is a freak in that respect.. not many players play like him. If there's something wrong with Berba's attitude, SAF would have thrown a desk at him already and ship him out. Guess he knows more huh seeing as Berba is still here and seemingly first choice alongside Rooney. I really don't see what's the big problem.. so he doesn't run after the defenders as much, but stats would tell he's done far more defensive work/work in general than you would claim.
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if he could sleep like a buddha on the pitch and score tons of goals, that's fine by me. Is he doing that now? I said 1/2 rooney's attitude. 1/2 would be to fight for the ball back when he loses it, instead of staying on the ground lifting his hands up.

As i said earlier, let's wait till the season ends. Did i mention anywhere here that OMG we should sell him NOW! Azman Adnan could play better!!

At least Nani's attitude is much better this season his diving antics and selfish play last season pissed me off, CR maybe his sifu but don't have to copy all the bad traits as well ma. lol.

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post Aug 30 2009, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Aug 30 2009, 04:43 PM)
anyone has a video or picture of rooney doing that suicide diving header towards the end?
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That was gold, haha. Everybody was cheering.

Arsene Wenger being sent off was gold too, he was stuck with all the MU fans who were crazily waving!
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 04:45 PM)
I thought Inter always play in serie a??? Actually his international record also is great considering not many striker can score more than half of their appearances when at international level.
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Internazionale have never been relegated from the Italian top flight in their entire history, which dates back all the way to 1908; a fact Nerazzurri fans hold in high regard.

Vieri - 103 goals in 144app for Inter


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QUOTE(nshady @ Aug 30 2009, 04:46 PM)
I wonder if berbatov played the same style during his tenure at tottenham? 06/07 and 07/08 he scored 23 goals each season.
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Yes same style better attitude. Attitude is different from style.

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