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English Clubs Manchester United Street Talks, 26/9 | Stoke v Man Utd | 21:55 | CH812

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onepack
post Sep 1 2009, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Sep 1 2009, 05:16 AM)
scholes playing as a real attacking midfield and not a central one, with fletcher and anderson covering his back.

then we can use the 4-5-1 formation with rooney in front.

that would be interesting smile.gif
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i think united should stick with 4-4-2 with 2 striker up front. we need more player who hv the abililty to score on the pitch.
our midfiled seem not quite hv the ability. rooney style all these year aint suit him to be a lone striker. futhermore we need strong AM/SS to play this kind of formation.

dont like how we play against arsenal.. the line up, formation, style of play. its seem like united playing not to lose rather than to win whistling.gif
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post Sep 1 2009, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 1 2009, 01:12 PM)
GK
Back 4
Fletcher-Carrick-Ando
Park-Ronaldo-Rooney

We won 3-1 at their place. Nobody seem to complain about the formation then. What's different this time? It was just a bad performance for most players, Giggsy especially. On another night, he would have played better, and created chances compared to that night when he always gets into good position to do something with a pass, but always mess them up. That formation I would saw would be crap against the normal/smaller sides, but against the big sides, is almost a must if we don't want to be overrun in midfield. It's just the way it is. Even Arsenal flood their midfield with CMs.. Song, Denilson, Diaby + Eboue..

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i dont like it back then also.. and against barca. we are playing at home this time. looking at style and formation like i said united looking more like dont want to lose rather than looking for a win. very happy for the wins but do we really deserve it like last time. for me united got lucky to get 3 point. differrent this time will be the line up. back then although we play with 1 striker we hv more player with ability to score on the pitch (ron n roon). also this time there nani and valencia on the pitch. nani and valencia more a winger and i believe its best to play 4-4-2 with a winger. park n rooney also can play inside. its just my view.. whistling.gif
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post Sep 1 2009, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Sep 1 2009, 03:40 PM)
We all know that 4-4-2 is our best bet. No doubt. You have to have this in mind, LUCK plays part in every match. Take a good look at Owen's goal against Wigan the other day. It hit the inside of the post and went in. Nani's FK. Kirkland was nowhere around. It boils down to luck.

You can play as good as you can be, but without luck you can't score any. I am content with 4-5-1 formation against big teams. It should be interchangeable to 4-3-3 as our wingers to support our only CF/ST. It bring assurance to the midfield. These days, apart from Fletcher, I don't think others could step up to play that box-to-box midfielder role.

He is our hardman nowadays. It was supposed to be Hargo. But he found that nurses are too cute to resist. So, lets just wait then? Shall we?
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no doubt LUCK will always be part of the game.. but there is bigger thing and among them will be ability,tactic,teamwork,determination,workrate.. LUCK is pretty much the last thing u can hope for. owen goal a luck? nani FK a luck? dont think so.. it pretty much more quality of ability. owen hv done it many times before and i believe nani also hv done it before.. he wont be the chosen one take the FK if he dont hv the ability. kirkland nowhere around coz he positioning is not good enaugh.. thats not LUCK.

playing good than hope for some LUCK always better than play bad or just play then hope for some LUCK. diaby own goal thats LUCK. penalty goal also need some LUCK. if it wasnt coz of fletcher hardwork n determination especially on 2nd half the tactic could be a complete failure. defence also good as always.. and that aint LUCK smile.gif

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onepack
post Sep 2 2009, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 2 2009, 01:02 AM)
You didn't like the 3-1 win? or the other games where we look very good against them in that particular formation? It was just a bad night with players off form.. Giggsy particularly who was our main creative force in that game. He messed up big time. Our only other option for his role that night was Anderson, who's not in great form himself. Last option is of course to go with 442 early if we're desperate. We might be more threatening, but we would leave ourselves open at the back and easy for them to dominate us in the middle with their extra men there.

As for more people scoring them, Nani is pretty good at cutting in inside. That's one of his trait although he's no Ronaldo of course. And Park as good as he is cutting inside, is crap in front of goal. Didn't score that many. Like I said, on another night, it could have turned out into a great night for us. Giggsy had a lot of chances to put our players through, or make great plays, but almost every single time, it didn't came off for him in the first half especially. We may have been lucky, but with the chances we had at the end, Arsenal were lucky as well it didn't turn into a bigger scoreline. It's a fine line between success and failure, and that night we got the better of the deal. That's just the way it is. Nobody is really happy of course not winning comfortably, but big games are usually tight affairs.

Being early on in the season also didn't help matters. And having to change tactics since the departure of Ronaldo and having a new RW in the side, meant that we won't be hitting it off consistently.

I'm still surprised people still have this idea that 442 will just work every single game. We struggled there with Keane and Scholes after 99, and they are the best combo's around that time. We know how much of a monster Keane was, yet we didn't really hit the heights of 99 till last few years where the 433/451 have served us really well in the big games, with 442 for the normal/smaller games although sometimes used in the big games as well. We don't have a Keano now. No team plays with a straight 442 anymore for all type of games. Either they play with extra men/man in the middle or switch between that and some other formation for normal games.

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yeah i dont like the 3-1 win and when united play good doh.gif
as i said before i dont like the formation.. and also the line up for the 2-1 win.
but i do support SAF for the tactic coz who know how the game gonna be or whether the tactic will work or not on the first place.. what dissapoint me will be the decision to stick with it on the 2nd half when clearly it doesnt work. for me giggs aint that bad that night. carrick was the worst one.. wonder if he even got to the pitch. valencia also pretty bad, running here and there for nothing but do got lots of determination.was hoping for scholes/park/ando to come early on 2nd half with owen/berba earlier.

yes it could be bigger win.. but that happen coz arsenal started to open and pressing more forward desperate for a goal. was hoping for good performance rather than comfortably win or big wins. it surprised me more that some people still hv the idea of some people hv the idea 4-4-2 will work every single game whistling.gif
only said i prefer we play 4-4-2 against arsenal with more player as goalscorer threat on the pitch

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post Sep 11 2009, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(w3er @ Sep 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
he doesn't have the vision, the speed, unpredictable and inconsistent
his tricks is mostly of those useless step overs
i didn't even remembet nani crossing even once that is ended with a goal...

his only assets is his powerful shot
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hmm.. maybe u not watching the same manchester tongue.gif
with more matches and maturity he can be a world class player.
he seem like the best winger we got at moment so let just hv the faith

This post has been edited by onepack: Sep 11 2009, 11:16 PM
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post Sep 17 2009, 10:58 AM

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yeah.. lets join booing tevez. if he did score against us then he will celebrate in front of united fan and get suspended later tongue.gif

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