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 5 Ways to Let a Girl Know You're Interested In Her, with none of this "confessing" nonsense

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post Jul 28 2009, 02:10 PM, updated 10y ago

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"Confessing" is for losers. Seriously. It is the lamest way of letting a girl know you like her, and it is not very effective. Here's why:

- You're giving up all control over the outcome. All the power is now in her hands to either say yes or no. There's nothing you can do about it anymore.
- You're putting unnecessary pressure on her. Suddenly she has to decide then and there how she feels about you, when she may not even be sure herself yet. And she may be afraid of hurting you if she says no. It's not fair to put her in such a position.
- You're asking her to love you back. You don't ask for love. You offer it, and if she accepts, she will offer hers in return.
- You're setting up an unrealistic expectation. Since you asked for her love, she will tend to see you as someone who always has to earn it. She will see herself as a princess to you, because you played the role of a beggar to her.
- You're creating the impression that you're ashamed to have feelings for her. Because that's what a confession is - an admission of guilt or wrongdoing.
- You're making a huge dramatic moment out something very small. Liking a girl is ultimately a small thing.

Those last two points are perhaps the most important to understand. Just because you've met a girl whom you have the hots for, doesn't mean she's The One OMG!!!11 And wanting to date her doesn't mean you're asking her to promise to marry you ASAP. If you're thinking this way, then of course you're ashamed to admit you like her, because you're expecting far more than she can realistically give. You're probably doing all you can to keep your feelings secret from her and everyone else like a lovesick schoolboy.

Stop being a lovesick schoolboy. Mature adults are not ashamed of their feelings. Whether you've fallen head over heels for her, or you just think she's really really pretty, you should not be afraid to show it - to her. And you can show it in a way that flatters her, that makes her feel desired, and that does not make her uncomfortable.

1) Eye contact. You know how two people tend to not look each other in the eye for too long? That there's usually a time limit before both people look away? Well, if you like this girl, maintain eye contact just a little longer than the time limit. Look at her just a little longer than necessary. Then give her a little smile before looking away. Don't stare, don't glue your eyes to her all the time. Just don't be afraid to show that you like looking at her. smile.gif

2) Make her laugh. It's one thing to get her to talk comfortably with you. It's another thing for her to enjoy talking to you, so much so that she remembers how much she enjoys talking to you. Be at your wittiest and most charming, put some effort into making her laugh. Don't be too shy to say something like, "Hey, wanna hear a joke?" Then tell her a dozen jokes, one after another. Let her know that you're purposely trying to make her happy.

3) Remember the things she says. Listen to what she has to say, then show her that you listened. If she mentioned her dog Poochie, greet her with "Hi, how's Poochie?" the next time you see her. If she mentioned she has trouble sleeping, ask her if she slept well the next day. If she likes a certain TV show, find out when the show airs, then ask her how was last night's episode the next day. Better yet, watch the show, so that you can talk about it with her. You can even tell her you didn't like the show - the fact that you watched it just because of her is flattering enough.

4) Physical proximity/contact. This is a tricky one, so be very careful. Position yourself closer to her - not too close, but a little closer than normal. You know the distance between friends, and the distance between bf and gf? You want to be exactly halfway in-between. (And better make sure you're wearing deodorant!) Similarly, give her a little touch every now and then, but be careful. Touch her shoulder when you want to get her attention. When talking to her, pat her on her arm to emphasize a point; if you've gotten close enough to her, you can try her thigh. When walking together, put your hand on the small of her back to guide her in a different direction. Just don't let your hand linger there too long.

You know what's the best thing about all these? They are measurable. Meaning, you will know instantly whether or not they're working. If she likes you, she will return the eye contact with you; she will laugh at all your jokes; she will appreciate the fact that you remember things about her; she will stand close to you, and she will touch you. If she doesn't, then you'll know she's not interested. By doing these things, you're not only showing her you like her, you're also giving her the option of gently rejecting you - or subtly encouraging you.

And if you're getting all the right signals from her, it's time to move on to:

5) Ask her out. Just you and her. None of the rest of your gang. Nobody else. Yes, it's a date. It could be a movie, it could be a drink at a coffee place, or if you're really confident, it could be dinner at a nice restaurant. Don't treat it as if it's a big deal, as if by saying yes she'll be making a big commitment to you. Keep this in mind if she's reluctant - say, "Hey, it's just a movie/coffee/dinner, I'm not asking you to marry me laa."

And after you do all this, after you've got the date... then what?

Then you just let it happen naturally. And believe me, if you've gotten this far and the girl has been showing all the signs of liking you, it will happen naturally. Which may be a surprise if you've always thought that tackling a girl is a long, gruelling, agonizingly difficult task that involves a "confession". You may be surprised at how easy it was. Which is as it should be. (And don't give me that "if it's easy to get, you won't appreciate" nonsense. shakehead.gif ) If a guy and a girl like each other, they should fall into a relationship easily.

This is how mature adults do it. And even if you are a lovesick schoolboy, you should still do it this way. Because it's the right way to do it.

Note: these are not 5 steps. They're only arranged in that order from most to least daring, but you don't need to follow the order - except that if you want her to say yes to no. 5, you should've gotten good responses to nos. 1-4 first. No. 3 obviously only works from the second time you see her onwards, but if you're getting signals from her during your very first meeting, then by all means ask her out there and then. They're not 5 steps, they're 5 ways.



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How bout if the girl just broke up with her ex bf like a month ago? I dont think she would want to be in a dating mood "just yet"
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Right, I'm gonna do an ezralimm and attempt to impart my precious wisdom onto you noobs. Be kind.
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Dude, most of the saps here can't do 1-5. Shieat, they can't even do 1. And those who can tend to scare the girl more often than not. And malaysian women, being the spoilt brats that they are, will treat those who do as "just a friend" because the guy is "fun to be with" and wants the guy to do something dumb like what they see in the HK/TW/KR dramas as an expression of "love".

Come on, you know it's true. Yes, there girls who prefer this western style of courtship, but most are just too.... asian.

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 02:10 PM)
Right, I'm gonna do an ezralimm and attempt to impart my precious wisdom onto you noobs. Be kind.

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"Confessing" is for losers. Seriously. It is the lamest way of letting a girl know you like her, and it is not very effective. Here's why:

- You're giving up all control over the outcome. All the power is now in her hands to either say yes or no. There's nothing you can do about it anymore.
- You're putting unnecessary pressure on her. Suddenly she has to decide then and there how she feels about you, when she may not even be sure herself yet. And she may be afraid of hurting you if she says no. It's not fair to put her in such a position.
- You're asking her to love you back. You don't ask for love. You offer it, and if she accepts, she will offer hers in return.
- You're setting up an unrealistic expectation. Since you asked for her love, she will tend to see you as someone who always has to earn it. She will see herself as a princess to you, because you played the role of a beggar to her.

Only lovesick schoolboys still do this "confession" thing. Mature adults do it this way:

1) Eye contact. You know how two people tend to not look each other in the eye for too long? That there's usually a time limit before both people look away? Well, if you like this girl, maintain eye contact just a little longer than the time limit. Look at her just a little longer than necessary. Then give her a little smile before looking away. Don't stare, don't glue your eyes to her all the time. Just don't be afraid to show that you like looking at her.  smile.gif

2) Make her laugh. It's one thing to get her to talk comfortably with you. It's another thing for her to enjoy talking to you, so much so that she remembers how much she enjoys talking to you. Be at your wittiest and most charming, put some effort into making her laugh. Don't be too shy to say something like, "Hey, wanna hear a joke?" Then tell her a dozen jokes, one after another. Let her know that you're purposely trying to make her happy.

3) Remember the things she says. Listen to what she has to say, then show her that you listened. If she mentioned her dog Poochie, greet her with "Hi, how's Poochie?" the next time you see her. If she mentioned she has trouble sleeping, ask her if she slept well the next day. If she likes a certain TV show, find out when the show airs, then ask her how was last night's episode the next day. Better yet, watch the show, so that you can talk about it with her. You can even tell her you didn't like the show - the fact that you watched it just because of her is flattering enough.

4) Physical proximity/contact. This is a tricky one, so be very careful. Position yourself closer to her - not too close, but a little closer than normal. You know the distance between friends, and the distance between bf and gf? You want to be exactly halfway in-between. (And better make sure you're wearing deodorant!) Similarly, give her a little touch every now and then, but be careful. Touch her shoulder when you want to get her attention. When talking to her, pat her on her arm to emphasize a point; if you've gotten close enough to her, you can try her thigh. When walking together, put your hand on the small of her back to guide her in a different direction. Just don't let your hand linger there too long.

You know what's the best thing about all these? They are measurable. Meaning, you will know instantly whether or not they're working. If she likes you, she will return the eye contact with you - if she doesn't, she always will look away before you do. If she likes you, she will laugh at all your jokes. If she likes you, she will appreciate the fact that you remember things about her. If she likes you, she will stand close to you, and she will touch you. By doing these things to her, you are letting her know it's okay for her to do the same to you. You're also letting her know that it's okay for her to not do the same to you, if she's not interested in you.

And if you're getting all the right signals from her, it's time to move on to:

5) Ask her out. Just you and her. None of the rest of your gang. Nobody else. Yes, it's a date. It could be a movie, it could be a drink at a coffee place, or if you're really confident, it could be dinner at a nice restaurant. Don't treat it as if it's a big deal, as if by saying yes she'll be making a big commitment to you. Keep this in mind if she's reluctant - say, "Hey, it's just a movie/coffee/dinner, I'm not asking you to marry me laa."

And after you do all this, after you've got the date... then what?

Then you just let it happen naturally. And believe me, if you've gotten this far and the girl has been showing all the signs of liking you, it will happen naturally. Which may be a surprise if you've always thought that tackling a girl is a long, gruelling, agonizingly difficult task that involves a "confession". You may be surprised at how easy it was. Which is as it should be. (And don't give me that "if it's easy to get, you won't appreciate" nonsense.  shakehead.gif ) If a guy and a girl like each other, they should fall into a relationship easily.

This is how mature adults do it. And even if you are a lovesick schoolboy, you should still do it this way. Because it's the right way to do it.
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Excellent post bro!!!

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post Jul 28 2009, 02:22 PM

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How about skipping straigth to step 5?
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 02:22 PM)
How about skipping straigth to step 5?
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Why would you want to do that? I want to hear your reasoning before I call it idiotic.
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ah. no wonder i got together so quickly with my current-gf.

i did all the 5 steps mentioned above. biggrin.gif
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good!! i will add to my note.
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 28 2009, 02:25 PM)
Why would you want to do that? I want to hear your reasoning before I call it idiotic.
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well, i would say that if the boy is attractive enough, it is possible for him to skip straight to step 5, then do step 1 to 4 during the date.
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for those successfully went through step 1-4, Great !!!!
in step 5, when asking a girl out but she declined, please do not ask

"Why you not free to go out with me ?? Why......then why !!!!"

chill it and she might have something to do and not able to make it. asking why is a sign of desperation. if she cant make it just say

"no worries, theres always plenty of opportunity. hope you have fun in watever youre doing tonite."

great thread btw !!!! its how dating suppose to be. rclxms.gif

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i need a gf sad.gif

i am single...

please teach me how to court a girl sad.gif
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QUOTE(mangju @ Jul 28 2009, 02:41 PM)
i need a gf sad.gif

i am single...

please teach me how to court a girl sad.gif
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please read steps 1 - 5! biggrin.gif

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Now thats pin-worthy post right there! Good job noob13
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I think it's good to practice the 3 strikes approach. smile.gif


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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 02:46 PM)
I think it's good to practice the 3 strikes approach. smile.gif
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which is??
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Jul 28 2009, 02:49 PM)
which is??
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Baseball concept. After 3 unsuccessful attempt to ask the girl out, try next one.

You want to hear the story of the monkey and the cookie jar VV? laugh.gif
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It worked.
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 02:53 PM)
Baseball concept. After 3 unsuccessful attempt to ask the girl out, try next one.

You want to hear the story of the monkey and the cookie jar VV?  laugh.gif
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tu lan ; dowan read version

1) Eye contact. 1 secs (I'm partially interested), 2 secs (I'm interested), 3 or more secs (I wanna have sex with you).

2) Make her laugh. Joke if she permits. Not all is into clowns, try IQ questions.

3) Remember the things she says. Remember her weight, if > 50kg, don't mention it. Remember her age, if > 25, don't mention it. Remember her ex's name, don't mention it. The rest should be ok.

4) Physical proximity/contact. Shoulder (I'm your friend), Arm (I'm interested), Thigh (I'm trying to be close), Back (I'm your protector), Butt (I wanna have sex with you)

5) Ask her out. Don't be desperate, be yourself, watch your wallet.


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There was this monkey who prepared other stuff to complement his cookies.

Then the monkey realised he can't put his hands into the cookie jar because it's sealed so tightly.

So the monkey tried 3 times, and finally gave up and look for another cookie jar to open.

And thus the monkey realised that he needs to know if he can have the cookies before getting all the other stuff to complement it.

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good advise, typically malaysian man are shy i presume
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:04 PM)
There was this monkey who prepared other stuff to complement his cookies.

Then the monkey realised he can't put his hands into the cookie jar because it's sealed so tightly.

So the monkey tried 3 times, and finally gave up and look for another cookie jar to open.

And thus the monkey realised that he needs to know if he can have the cookies before getting all the other stuff to complement it.

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good monkey story! beats mine by tenfold! rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:04 PM)
There was this monkey who prepared other stuff to complement his cookies.

Then the monkey realised he can't put his hands into the cookie jar because it's sealed so tightly.

So the monkey tried 3 times, and finally gave up and look for another cookie jar to open.

And thus the monkey realised that he needs to know if he can have the cookies before getting all the other stuff to complement it.

laugh.gif
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There's always a caveman approach. Caveman sees jar, caveman can't open jar, caveman hits the jar with a bat, caveman sees cookies.
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:04 PM)
There was this monkey who prepared other stuff to complement his cookies.

Then the monkey realised he can't put his hands into the cookie jar because it's sealed so tightly.

So the monkey tried 3 times, and finally gave up and look for another cookie jar to open.

And thus the monkey realised that he needs to know if he can have the cookies before getting all the other stuff to complement it.

laugh.gif
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macam tu.....

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jul 28 2009, 03:06 PM)
good monkey story! beats mine by tenfold!  rclxub.gif
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You are still the PRIME monkey story bro. I am like those Nippon, copy, twist and enhance aje laugh.gif

QUOTE(suiteng @ Jul 28 2009, 03:07 PM)
There's always a caveman approach. Caveman sees jar, caveman can't open jar, caveman hits the jar with a bat, caveman sees cookies.
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Can i try that on you blush.gif
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QUOTE(suiteng @ Jul 28 2009, 03:07 PM)
There's always a caveman approach. Caveman sees jar, caveman can't open jar, caveman hits the jar with a bat, caveman sees cookies.
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what if the jar is made with adamantium?


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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:10 PM)
You are still the PRIME monkey story bro. I am like those Nippon, copy, twist and enhance aje  laugh.gif
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good enhancement!


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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jul 28 2009, 03:11 PM)
what if the jar is made with adamantium?
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Continue hitting the jar until your caveman stick thingy or the jar breaks. So often the case nowadays.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 28 2009, 02:18 PM)
Dude, most of the saps here can't do 1-5. Shieat, they can't even do 1. And those who can tend to scare the girl more often than not. And malaysian women, being the spoilt brats that they are, will treat those who do as "just a friend" because the guy is "fun to be with" and wants the guy to do something dumb like what they see in the HK/TW/KR dramas as an expression of "love".

Come on, you know it's true. Yes, there girls who prefer this western style of courtship, but most are just too.... asian.
Well, one way to arouse a girl's interest is to do something she doesn't expect. I've had some success using this approach with very "asian" girls.

QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 02:22 PM)
How about skipping straigth to step 5?
Doing steps 1-4 first will increase your chances of success with step 5. biggrin.gif



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Err... I think the theory is sound but I don't really use it. You see, I always make my intentions to a woman clear. If she is attractive I tell her that she is and ask her out.

If she says no, I move on and DON'T CRY about it.
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My pointers are simpler.

Step 1 : randomly grab a girl to bed
Step 2 : if girl don't want, repeat step 1
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 03:18 PM)
Well, one way to arouse a girl's interest is to do something she doesn't expect. I've had some success using this approach with very "asian" girls.
Doing steps 1-4 first will increase your chances of success with step 5.  biggrin.gif
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I agree if the lady is interested in you as well. What if she is not?
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QUOTE(suiteng @ Jul 28 2009, 03:21 PM)
My pointers are simpler.

Step 1 : randomly grab a girl to bed
Step 2 : if girl don't want, repeat step 1
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Jul 28 2009, 03:27 PM)
garang... tongue.gif
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you are on her list of victims brows.gif
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:26 PM)
I agree if the lady is interested in you as well. What if she is not?
Then give up la. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:26 PM)
I agree if the lady is interested in you as well. What if she is not?
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then go find another girl which is interested in you. tongue.gif

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So your article is based on the assumption that the girl is interested in you as well right tongue.gif
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Nonsense, show the chick your wallet and she will be the one doing this 5 steps for you
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jul 28 2009, 03:28 PM)
then go find another girl which is interested in you. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(eviljeff @ Jul 28 2009, 03:30 PM)
Nonsense, show the chick your wallet and she will be the one doing this 5 steps for you
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:30 PM)
So your article is based on the assumption that the girl is interested in you as well right tongue.gif
No, the article is what it says - how to show a girl you're interested in her, in a way that doesn't make her uncomfortable.


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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 28 2009, 03:31 PM)
If kenot find a girl that's interested in you? laugh.gif
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No, the article is what it says - how to show a girl you're interested in her, in a way that doesn't make her uncomfortable.
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Good article rclxms.gif


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play Jet's song to her

the title is :Are you gonna be my girl??? tongue.gif

i am being very lame today blush.gif
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:26 PM)
I agree if the lady is interested in you as well. What if she is not?
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Jul 28 2009, 03:41 PM)
play Jet's song to her

the title is :Are you gonna be my girl??? tongue.gif

i am being very lame today blush.gif
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Then I would play Lady Gaga - P-P-P-P-Poker Face, no you can't read my poker faceeeeee laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:43 PM)
Then I would play Lady Gaga - P-P-P-P-Poker Face, no you can't read my poker faceeeeee  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Jet's song is so obvious mah...
sure she will get the msg right away man.... rclxms.gif

aiseh...want to be so mysterious ah... laugh.gif

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Jet's song is so obvious mah...
sure she will get the msg right away man.... rclxms.gif

aiseh...want to be so mysterious ah... laugh.gif
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Thats why I like you. Straight to the point! Wahahaha you the best lah notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Dun hijack ppl's thread liao blush.gif
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 28 2009, 03:49 PM)
Thats why I like you. Straight to the point! Wahahaha you the best lah  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Dun hijack ppl's thread liao  blush.gif
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where got...relevant point le...

it's old skool yo...
carry a boombox and play tat song to her...
sure she will know u r VERY interested in her.... rclxms.gif

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Now thats pin-worthy post right there! Good job noob13
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I hope some serious questions will come soon before the thread degenerates into a chat thread.


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what if the jar is made with adamantium?


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Right, I'm gonna do an ezralimm and attempt to impart my precious wisdom onto you noobs. Be kind.

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"Confessing" is for losers. Seriously. It is the lamest way of letting a girl know you like her, and it is not very effective. Here's why:

- You're giving up all control over the outcome. All the power is now in her hands to either say yes or no. There's nothing you can do about it anymore.
- You're putting unnecessary pressure on her. Suddenly she has to decide then and there how she feels about you, when she may not even be sure herself yet. And she may be afraid of hurting you if she says no. It's not fair to put her in such a position.
- You're asking her to love you back. You don't ask for love. You offer it, and if she accepts, she will offer hers in return.
- You're setting up an unrealistic expectation. Since you asked for her love, she will tend to see you as someone who always has to earn it. She will see herself as a princess to you, because you played the role of a beggar to her.

Only lovesick schoolboys still do this "confession" thing. Mature adults do it this way:

1) Eye contact. You know how two people tend to not look each other in the eye for too long? That there's usually a time limit before both people look away? Well, if you like this girl, maintain eye contact just a little longer than the time limit. Look at her just a little longer than necessary. Then give her a little smile before looking away. Don't stare, don't glue your eyes to her all the time. Just don't be afraid to show that you like looking at her.  smile.gif

2) Make her laugh. It's one thing to get her to talk comfortably with you. It's another thing for her to enjoy talking to you, so much so that she remembers how much she enjoys talking to you. Be at your wittiest and most charming, put some effort into making her laugh. Don't be too shy to say something like, "Hey, wanna hear a joke?" Then tell her a dozen jokes, one after another. Let her know that you're purposely trying to make her happy.

3) Remember the things she says. Listen to what she has to say, then show her that you listened. If she mentioned her dog Poochie, greet her with "Hi, how's Poochie?" the next time you see her. If she mentioned she has trouble sleeping, ask her if she slept well the next day. If she likes a certain TV show, find out when the show airs, then ask her how was last night's episode the next day. Better yet, watch the show, so that you can talk about it with her. You can even tell her you didn't like the show - the fact that you watched it just because of her is flattering enough.

4) Physical proximity/contact. This is a tricky one, so be very careful. Position yourself closer to her - not too close, but a little closer than normal. You know the distance between friends, and the distance between bf and gf? You want to be exactly halfway in-between. (And better make sure you're wearing deodorant!) Similarly, give her a little touch every now and then, but be careful. Touch her shoulder when you want to get her attention. When talking to her, pat her on her arm to emphasize a point; if you've gotten close enough to her, you can try her thigh. When walking together, put your hand on the small of her back to guide her in a different direction. Just don't let your hand linger there too long.

You know what's the best thing about all these? They are measurable. Meaning, you will know instantly whether or not they're working. If she likes you, she will return the eye contact with you - if she doesn't, she always will look away before you do. If she likes you, she will laugh at all your jokes. If she likes you, she will appreciate the fact that you remember things about her. If she likes you, she will stand close to you, and she will touch you. By doing these things to her, you are letting her know it's okay for her to do the same to you. You're also letting her know that it's okay for her to not do the same to you, if she's not interested in you.

And if you're getting all the right signals from her, it's time to move on to:

5) Ask her out. Just you and her. None of the rest of your gang. Nobody else. Yes, it's a date. It could be a movie, it could be a drink at a coffee place, or if you're really confident, it could be dinner at a nice restaurant. Don't treat it as if it's a big deal, as if by saying yes she'll be making a big commitment to you. Keep this in mind if she's reluctant - say, "Hey, it's just a movie/coffee/dinner, I'm not asking you to marry me laa."

And after you do all this, after you've got the date... then what?

Then you just let it happen naturally. And believe me, if you've gotten this far and the girl has been showing all the signs of liking you, it will happen naturally. Which may be a surprise if you've always thought that tackling a girl is a long, gruelling, agonizingly difficult task that involves a "confession". You may be surprised at how easy it was. Which is as it should be. (And don't give me that "if it's easy to get, you won't appreciate" nonsense.  shakehead.gif ) If a guy and a girl like each other, they should fall into a relationship easily.

This is how mature adults do it. And even if you are a lovesick schoolboy, you should still do it this way. Because it's the right way to do it.
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I super agree but some gal still want guy to confess at least the timing is right

Now, the problem is here, many guy is too rush, timing not right........

Some is delay and delay until lost the chance


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I super agree but some gal still want guy to confess at least the timing is right
Actually, if it's gotten to the point where she wants you to confess, then confess lar. You've successfully tackled her already. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(wangpr @ Jul 28 2009, 04:22 PM)
I super agree but some gal still want guy to confess at least the timing is right

Now, the problem is here, many guy is too rush, timing not right........

Some is delay and delay until lost the chance
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If you can say things like this then you don't get it.

There is an ALTERNATIVE to "confessing" before you become a real couple, and that alternative is simply to interest her, test her for interest, and then ASSUME interest and actually BE a couple before "confessing".

This way, if a girl asks you about what's going on, expressing your feelings for her would be giving her RE-ASSURANCE, compared to the other method where you would be giving her nothing but an ULTIMATUM to choose a guy she's not even sure about.

Understand?
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^ agree.

It's quite nice with all those steps. But I do think that to alot girls, confessing at the right time is the key. Though I fail to know when. doh.gif
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Actually, if it's gotten to the point where she wants you to confess, then confess lar. You've successfully tackled her already.  biggrin.gif
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Ooppssss..... which gal u mean ar ? U seem to know me and my secret wor

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QUOTE(wangpr @ Jul 28 2009, 04:27 PM)
Ooppssss..... which gal u mean ar ? U seem to know me and my secret wor

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QUOTE(Kinci @ Jul 28 2009, 04:26 PM)
^ agree.

It's quite nice with all those steps. But I do think that to alot girls, confessing at the right time is the key. Though I fail to know when.  doh.gif
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What's people's idea of confession anyway? Sitting her down in a quiet place and gushing out all your feelings to her with teary eyes and trembling hands like in eunuch Hong Kong dramas? +_+"

Why not do it in a more natural manner? Sooner or later she's going to wonder if your interest in her is genuine and if she's being carried away by her own feelings, so why not let her know then, and only then?

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QUOTE(Kinci @ Jul 28 2009, 04:26 PM)
^ agree.

It's quite nice with all those steps. But I do think that to alot girls, confessing at the right time is the key. Though I fail to know when.  doh.gif
If she's shown you all the right signs, if you've went out on the date, if you're alone with her and it's quiet and she's standing really close to you and you're both gazing into each other's eyes...

...actually, you still shouldn't confess. You should grab her and give her an earth-shaking kiss.

Then you can confess. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 02:10 PM)
Right, I'm gonna do an ezralimm and attempt to impart my precious wisdom onto you noobs. Be kind.

------

"Confessing" is for losers. Seriously. It is the lamest way of letting a girl know you like her, and it is not very effective. Here's why:

- You're giving up all control over the outcome. All the power is now in her hands to either say yes or no. There's nothing you can do about it anymore.
- You're putting unnecessary pressure on her. Suddenly she has to decide then and there how she feels about you, when she may not even be sure herself yet. And she may be afraid of hurting you if she says no. It's not fair to put her in such a position.
- You're asking her to love you back. You don't ask for love. You offer it, and if she accepts, she will offer hers in return.
- You're setting up an unrealistic expectation. Since you asked for her love, she will tend to see you as someone who always has to earn it. She will see herself as a princess to you, because you played the role of a beggar to her.

Only lovesick schoolboys still do this "confession" thing. Mature adults do it this way:

1) Eye contact. You know how two people tend to not look each other in the eye for too long? That there's usually a time limit before both people look away? Well, if you like this girl, maintain eye contact just a little longer than the time limit. Look at her just a little longer than necessary. Then give her a little smile before looking away. Don't stare, don't glue your eyes to her all the time. Just don't be afraid to show that you like looking at her.  smile.gif

2) Make her laugh. It's one thing to get her to talk comfortably with you. It's another thing for her to enjoy talking to you, so much so that she remembers how much she enjoys talking to you. Be at your wittiest and most charming, put some effort into making her laugh. Don't be too shy to say something like, "Hey, wanna hear a joke?" Then tell her a dozen jokes, one after another. Let her know that you're purposely trying to make her happy.

3) Remember the things she says. Listen to what she has to say, then show her that you listened. If she mentioned her dog Poochie, greet her with "Hi, how's Poochie?" the next time you see her. If she mentioned she has trouble sleeping, ask her if she slept well the next day. If she likes a certain TV show, find out when the show airs, then ask her how was last night's episode the next day. Better yet, watch the show, so that you can talk about it with her. You can even tell her you didn't like the show - the fact that you watched it just because of her is flattering enough.

4) Physical proximity/contact. This is a tricky one, so be very careful. Position yourself closer to her - not too close, but a little closer than normal. You know the distance between friends, and the distance between bf and gf? You want to be exactly halfway in-between. (And better make sure you're wearing deodorant!) Similarly, give her a little touch every now and then, but be careful. Touch her shoulder when you want to get her attention. When talking to her, pat her on her arm to emphasize a point; if you've gotten close enough to her, you can try her thigh. When walking together, put your hand on the small of her back to guide her in a different direction. Just don't let your hand linger there too long.

You know what's the best thing about all these? They are measurable. Meaning, you will know instantly whether or not they're working. If she likes you, she will return the eye contact with you - if she doesn't, she always will look away before you do. If she likes you, she will laugh at all your jokes. If she likes you, she will appreciate the fact that you remember things about her. If she likes you, she will stand close to you, and she will touch you. By doing these things to her, you are letting her know it's okay for her to do the same to you. You're also letting her know that it's okay for her to not do the same to you, if she's not interested in you.

And if you're getting all the right signals from her, it's time to move on to:

5) Ask her out. Just you and her. None of the rest of your gang. Nobody else. Yes, it's a date. It could be a movie, it could be a drink at a coffee place, or if you're really confident, it could be dinner at a nice restaurant. Don't treat it as if it's a big deal, as if by saying yes she'll be making a big commitment to you. Keep this in mind if she's reluctant - say, "Hey, it's just a movie/coffee/dinner, I'm not asking you to marry me laa."

And after you do all this, after you've got the date... then what?

Then you just let it happen naturally. And believe me, if you've gotten this far and the girl has been showing all the signs of liking you, it will happen naturally. Which may be a surprise if you've always thought that tackling a girl is a long, gruelling, agonizingly difficult task that involves a "confession". You may be surprised at how easy it was. Which is as it should be. (And don't give me that "if it's easy to get, you won't appreciate" nonsense.  shakehead.gif ) If a guy and a girl like each other, they should fall into a relationship easily.

This is how mature adults do it. And even if you are a lovesick schoolboy, you should still do it this way. Because it's the right way to do it.
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Aha! Gotcha. It is very sensitive for girls to hear these kind of statement.

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you are destined to be alone! rwar! go blame the moon guy!
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Oh, I thought you gonna say "Go find guys who are interesting in you" laugh.gif

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 04:35 PM)
...actually, you still shouldn't confess. You should grab her and give her an earth-shaking kiss.

Then you can confess.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 04:35 PM)
If she's shown you all the right signs, if you've went out on the date, if you're alone with her and it's quiet and she's standing really close to you and you're both gazing into each other's eyes...

...actually, you still shouldn't confess. You should grab her and give her an earth-shaking kiss.

Then you can confess.  laugh.gif
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True that!!!

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Although I like it more gentle, face move closer and closer until lips touch, and then, nom nom nom nom nom wub.gif
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an old schoolmate who is not interested in me always do the first 4 things on me n made me perasan :S:S:S
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nth to add ... u can still go out like 2-3 months down the road and she tells u .. it aint going to work out ... smile.gif
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^ Ya, but what's unique about the way Noob13 presented is that it also allows you the chance to gradually know her interest level in you mar, as well as how you can ahem, improve it for the better. tongue.gif
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to the sad guys out there who seem to refute the thread based on their own experiences:

Dooodes...it's a guideline..

Not a sure-get tactic...

Duh!!!
Use ur God-given in born practical sense aite???

Noob13-nice thread!
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QUOTE(Iambored @ Jul 28 2009, 04:45 PM)
an old schoolmate who is not interested in me always do the first 4 things on me n made me perasan :S:S:S
If he were interested in you, making you perasan would be his intention. biggrin.gif


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Sigh....

Why so many theories one?

When you are able to master the skills, the gal already married lar...

If really like the gal, just step forward and confess to her. Easy. A relationship can begin or end with or without a reason. Alright?

If you guys are still looking for more theories, get a gal who is expert in it to share all the theories.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 28 2009, 05:07 PM)
Sigh....

Why so many theories one?

When you are able to master the skills, the gal already married lar...

If really like the gal, just step forward and confess to her. Easy. A relationship can begin or end with or without a reason. Alright?

If you guys are still looking for more theories, get a gal who is expert in it to share all the theories.
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ROFL!

Look Debbie, confessions DO NOT work. Most of the men here do it as if they're holding their shit in and need to immediately BERAK their feelings all over the place.

THIS IS NOT SEXY.

Noob13 did not present a "theory". For god's sake, people have been doing things like this for YEARS. For people to forget even BASIC stuff like this must demonstrate how an entire people have been wilfully kept ignorant.
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QUOTE(eruannwen @ Jul 28 2009, 04:55 PM)
to the sad guys out there who seem to refute the thread based on their own experiences:

Dooodes...it's a guideline..

Not a sure-get tactic...

Duh!!!
Use ur God-given in born practical sense aite???

Noob13-nice thread!
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the post's intention is never to guarntee u will get a girl. It merely gives u a BETTER way to go about it, instead of the i-need-to-confess ways some ppl subscibe to.
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I need to BERAK ALL OVER THE PLACE CONFESS NOW! Omg, I cannots taeks it anymore +_+"

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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 28 2009, 05:27 PM)
ROFL!

Look Debbie, confessions DO NOT work. Most of the men here do it as if they're holding their shit in and need to immediately BERAK their feelings all over the place.

THIS IS NOT SEXY.

Noob13 did not present a "theory". For god's sake, people have been doing things like this for YEARS. For people to forget even BASIC stuff like this must demonstrate how an entire people have been wilfully kept ignorant.
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totally agree with you

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Nice post man, on the 'confessing' part, i'd prefer to have her confess instead of me having to confess though. brows.gif
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 28 2009, 05:27 PM)
Noob13 did not present a "theory". For god's sake, people have been doing things like this for YEARS. For people to forget even BASIC stuff like this must demonstrate how an entire people have been wilfully kept ignorant.
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Actually ahhh.....last time u dont hear ppl got problems with tackling girls wan. Even my nerdy dad also can tackle my hot mom. You seldom see ppl around our dad's age single wan. everybody sure got partner.

but these days the kids dont know what went wrong, suddenly all become so lame like that.

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 05:03 PM)
If he were interested in you, making you perasan would be his intentionbiggrin.gif
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some people just doesn't know when their partners giving em signs..
or just they didn't care about it or misinterpret it and that's a problem...
misunderstanding (salah faham) also can be a problem and it is a common thing that happens too..
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 28 2009, 05:44 PM)
Actually ahhh.....last time u dont hear ppl got problems with tackling girls wan. Even my nerdy dad also can tackle my hot mom. You seldom see ppl around our dad's age single wan. everybody sure got partner.

but these days the kids dont know what went wrong, suddenly all become so lame like that.
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ROFLMAO ! Man your funny, and agree with you.
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 28 2009, 05:44 PM)
Actually ahhh.....last time u dont hear ppl got problems with tackling girls wan. Even my nerdy dad also can tackle my hot mom. You seldom see ppl around our dad's age single wan. everybody sure got partner.

but these days the kids dont know what went wrong, suddenly all become so lame like that.
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my dad would say, this is the doom generation. doh.gif:

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 28 2009, 05:44 PM)
Actually ahhh.....last time u dont hear ppl got problems with tackling girls wan. Even my nerdy dad also can tackle my hot mom. You seldom see ppl around our dad's age single wan. everybody sure got partner.

but these days the kids dont know what went wrong, suddenly all become so lame like that.
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Actually, without being in that time, we can't say for sure. The man could have been manlier, but the women could have been easier as well. Standards change, and so do options.
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yameh .. i find that last time people more loyal only .. i can see alot of my friends stay single cos they want to not that they cant get gals ? lol ... gals also same ...

i feel that ppl nowadays have more expectation thats y so complicated ...
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now girls more materialistic ma..want this, want that

last time ppl can keep LDR for 7 or 8 years just by writing letters

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 28 2009, 05:44 PM)
Actually ahhh.....last time u dont hear ppl got problems with tackling girls wan. Even my nerdy dad also can tackle my hot mom. You seldom see ppl around our dad's age single wan. everybody sure got partner.

but these days the kids dont know what went wrong, suddenly all become so lame like that.
Nah, I've known some people from my dad's generation who never found a life partner and never got married as well.

I think it's just that today, people have more outlets - such as the internet - to whine and complain. biggrin.gif


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good guide.
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Its effectiveness is yet to be proven till one has tried and successed.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 09:03 AM)
Its effectiveness is yet to be proven till one has tried and successed.
And how would you define "success", Debbie?


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 09:03 AM)
Its effectiveness is yet to be proven till one has tried and successed.
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actually i have tried out all the 5 steps and i succeeded. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 09:34 AM)
And how would you define "success", Debbie?
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What do you expect if you apply all the steps there, n00b? wub.gif

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jul 29 2009, 09:56 AM)
actually i have tried out all the 5 steps and i succeeded. rclxms.gif
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he succeeded in being a lapdog, debbie xD
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 29 2009, 11:30 AM)
Well he loves being dominated, so how? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 10:01 AM)
What do you expect if you apply all the steps there, n00b?   wub.gif
I expect to be able to steer the relationship in any direction I want.



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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 11:35 AM)
I expect to be able to steer the relationship in any direction I want.
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I see.

But, how? A relationship is for both to sail on, how are you going to steer it on your own?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 11:44 AM)
But, how? A relationship is for both to sail on, how are you going to steer it on your own?
Where I want to take it depends on the girl - who she is, what she means to me, as well as where she wants it to go.


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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Jul 29 2009, 11:58 AM)
Use gerudi debbie.

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i tak paham

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 12:03 PM)
Where I want to take it depends on the girl - who she is, what she means to me, as well as where she wants it to go.
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alright.

But why are you emhasizing the word "she"?

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i tak paham
alright.

But why are you emhasizing the word "she"?
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i tak paham also. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 12:10 PM)
But why are you emhasizing the word "she"?
Because, as you said, a relationship is for both to sail on. I hope that both I and her can agree on where to take the relationship. If we can't, then we may be forced to end it. But at least I had the chance to start it, instead of always gazing at her longingly from afar.


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I need to BERAK ALL OVER THE PLACE CONFESS NOW! Omg, I cannots taeks it anymore +_+"
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Good post N00b13. Definitely QFMFT

Debs, a prime example of how confessions do not work. Look at KirkandLee. He asked you out and you flat out said no!
That's because he didn't warm up to you at all. Of course your defenses are sky high and on full red alert.

Read not into the tactics (for lack of better word) but the principle of n00b13's post regarding affection, ultimatum, control and being a beggar/carpet.
Methodology is subjective, but principles should be the same. His approach is a wise one and he is merely suggesting some plausible routes to achieve the principles.


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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 12:16 PM)
Because, as you said, a relationship is for both to sail on. I hope that both I and her can agree on where to take the relationship. If we can't, then we may be forced to end it. But at least I had the chance to start it, instead of always gazing at her longingly from afar.
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agree.

But taking the move and confess to her is far more result oriented than just Let a Girl Know You're Interested In Her, no?


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ROFL Dickson! With that avatar and that post. You made me gasp for breath!
Good post N00b13. Definitely QFMFT

Debs, a prime example of how confessions do not work. Look at KirkandLee. He asked you out and you flat out said no!
That's because he didn't warm up to you at all. Of course your defenses are sky high and on full red alert.

Read not into the tactics (for lack of better word) but the principle of n00b13's post regarding affection, ultimatum, control and being a beggar/carpet.
Methodology is subjective, but principles should be the same. His approach is a wise one and he is merely suggesting some plausible routes to achieve the principles.
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this is the first post of yours that I could understand about.

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 09:03 AM)
Its effectiveness is yet to be proven till one has tried and successed.
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Yet to be proven? Incase you didn't know, almost anyone who has any success in dating follows the same principles behind this method. It is simply the best way to build a relationship.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 12:25 PM)
agree.

But taking the move and confess to her is far more result oriented than just Let a Girl Know You're Interested In Her, no?
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No. How can it be result oriented when the results obviously speak for itself? Confessions on a result basis is pathetic. The only way a confession works, is if both parties like each other prior to confession. If u both hardly know each other, then think about the percentage of success for that scenario. If you both know each other quite well, then prior to confession you would likely have done these steps already, if not, then these steps will simply increase the chances of attraction.

A confession will happen, but as said before. The confession is not an expectation, but a reassurance.
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But taking the move and confess to her is far more result oriented than just Let a Girl Know You're Interested In Her, no?
Result-oriented? The same results that Kirkland and spanker got from you? laugh.gif


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 12:25 PM)
agree.

But taking the move and confess to her is far more result oriented than just Let a Girl Know You're Interested In Her, no?
You dont go to exams by doing the exams first then u study.

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Result-oriented? The same results that Kirkland and spanker got from you?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 29 2009, 12:52 PM)
Yet to be proven? Incase you didn't know, almost anyone who has any success in dating follows the same principles behind this method. It is simply the best way to build a relationship.
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The last step: date him/her out, is the only best way to build a relationship, for my personal opinion.

QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 29 2009, 12:52 PM)
No. How can it be result oriented when the results obviously speak for itself? Confessions on a result basis is pathetic. The only way a confession works, is if both parties like each other prior to confession. If u both hardly know each other, then think about the percentage of success for that scenario. If you both know each other quite well, then prior to confession you would likely have done these steps already, if not, then these steps will simply increase the chances of attraction.

A confession will happen, but as said before. The confession is not an expectation, but a reassurance.
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But for me, confession is an expectation. I would expect if he is willing to be my bf after I've confessed to him blush.gif

And for me, it doesn't matter if the person doesn't like me. As long as i'm sure that I like him and serious on him, I will confess.

Take every day as your last day of your life and let the one you like how you feel about him/her. You won't bother how pain it is if being rejected.

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:04 PM)
Result-oriented? The same results that Kirkland and spanker got from you?  laugh.gif
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what results have i given them?

QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 29 2009, 01:35 PM)
You dont go to exams by doing the exams first then u study.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 01:54 PM)
The last step: date him/her out, is the only best way to build a relationship, for my personal opinion.

Steps 1-4 are important as well, its the basic courting ritual. Attraction doesn't happen without it. It goes below the radar most of the time, its actually quite instinctual. You will have to ask the person out at some point, but it doesn't hurt to build an interest first.

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But for me, confession is an expectation. I would expect if he is willing to be my bf after I've confessed to him  blush.gif
And for me, it doesn't matter if the person doesn't like me. As long as i'm sure that I like him and serious on him, I will confess.

Take every day as your last day of your life and let the one you like how you feel about him/her. You won't bother how pain it is if being rejected.

For you perhaps, and now tell me... how's the results of that approach working for you?
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 12:16 PM)
Because, as you said, a relationship is for both to sail on. I hope that both I and her can agree on where to take the relationship. If we can't, then we may be forced to end it. But at least I had the chance to start it, instead of always gazing at her longingly from afar.
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Dude, she doesn't want you to use the word "she", she wants you to use the word "you" when you replied to her! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 29 2009, 02:07 PM)
Steps 1-4 are important as well, its the basic courting ritual. Attraction doesn't happen without it. It goes below the radar most of the time, its actually quite instinctual. You will have to ask the person out at some point, but it doesn't hurt to build an interest first.
For you perhaps, and now tell me... how's the results of that approach working for you?
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As i said, for me, result is not important in a Confession.

The important thing is are you able to take the courage to confess to someone you genuinly like. smile.gif
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Dude, she doesn't want you to use the word "she", she wants you to use the word "you" when you replied to her! laugh.gif
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He's lost his touch, missed the signal from debbie laugh.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 02:11 PM)
As i said, for me, result is not important in a Confession.

The important thing is are you able to take the courage to confess to someone you genuinly like.  smile.gif
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Actually, confessing is easy if you don't care about the result. Hence, it takes no courage. What requires courage is taking action without any guarantee of success. Investing the time and resources in the pursuit which may all go to naught. THAT takes courage.

Since you do investments you should understand that no risk, no gain. Confessions are like expecting a gain without even investing.
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Aiya, just GROW in love. Not fall.

It took me 1 year to get fully acquainted with my mate before we got together. And that was in 2002 tongue.gif we are still together.

I was shooting arrows all around too. One kena, saya ambik dan makan. smile.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:04 PM)
Result-oriented? The same results that Kirkland and spanker got from you?  laugh.gif
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Hey man, I've never confessed anything to debbie before, other than that I'm the same person in real life and on the interwebs tongue.gif

Oh shiate.... now you know too laugh.gif


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He's lost his touch, missed the signal from debbie laugh.gif
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Happens even to the best of us eh? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 29 2009, 02:20 PM)
Aiya, just GROW in love. Not fall.

It took me 1 year to get fully acquainted with my mate before we got together. And that was in 2002 tongue.gif we are still together.

I was shooting arrows all around too. One kena, saya ambik dan makan. smile.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 29 2009, 02:15 PM)
He's lost his touch, missed the signal from debbie laugh.gif
Actually, confessing is easy if you don't care about the result. Hence, it takes no courage. What requires courage is taking action without any guarantee of success. Investing the time and resources in the pursuit which may all go to naught. THAT takes courage.
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oh ya i did try to know him to certain extend before i confess to him. If i know he's that kind of person that i like, having those personalities that attract me, i don't mind to take the move to confess.

But i know though i know his personalities and what he actually attracted you, confession doesn't give i a guarantee result that he will accept me as a gf. That's why it isn't like investment, where if you invest, you will see either short-term or long-term profit.

And life is short. Why should i pull back just because i'm afraid of being rejected? The important thing is if i've taken the courage to reveal him my feeling.

That's just for my view of relationship. blush.gif

QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 29 2009, 02:15 PM)
Since you do investments you should understand that no risk, no gain. Confessions are like expecting a gain without even investing.
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Yes, i agree. That's why the result of confession is not what i concern about, now.
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Luckily you had unlimited ammo cheat on brows.gif
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I still do now, in lowyat.net brows.gif

too bad teongpeng missed, else he would have been my victime (and you too, last minute all FFK!)
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 02:27 PM)
oh ya i did try to know him to certain extend before i confess to him. If i know he's that kind of person that i like, having those personalities that attract me, i don't mind to take the move to confess.

But i know though i know his personalities and what he actually attracted you, confession doesn't give i a guarantee result that he will accept me as a gf. That's why it isn't like investment, where if you invest, you will see either short-term or long-term profit.

And life is short. Why should i pull back just because i'm afraid of being rejected? The important thing is if i've taken the courage to reveal him my feeling.

That's just for my view of relationship.  blush.gif

Yes, i agree. That's why the result of confession is not what i concern about, now.
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No one is saying that you have to hold back. You just go all out to win his/her heart. Confessing before doing that is expectation, confession after is reassurance. People who confess before doing anything are holding back, because they don't dare to invest their heart. So yes I agree, we should not hold back smile.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 29 2009, 02:26 PM)
Luckily you had unlimited ammo cheat on brows.gif
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Debs, your approach of living each day as your last is a good one. This means should you die today, you have no regrets. I try my best to do the same, but most of the time I falter. Having said that, I believe this whole idea of confession comes later. It isn't the opener.

Steps 1-5 happens, there is chemistry. Two people continue to see each other on a regular basis. Somewhere along the lines, when the environment is right, the planets are perfectly aligned and when moonlight shines down upon them, a simple statement is sufficient to wrap this whole confession thingamajig up:

Take noobie's scenario and after the kiss, just say the three words.


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 29 2009, 02:31 PM)
I still do now, in lowyat.net  brows.gif

too bad teongpeng missed, else he would have been my victime (and you too, last minute all FFK!)
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 29 2009, 02:27 PM)
oh ya i did try to know him to certain extend before i confess to him. If i know he's that kind of person that i like, having those personalities that attract me, i don't mind to take the move to confess.

But i know though i know his personalities and what he actually attracted you, confession doesn't give i a guarantee result that he will accept me as a gf. That's why it isn't like investment, where if you invest, you will see either short-term or long-term profit.

And life is short. Why should i pull back just because i'm afraid of being rejected? The important thing is if i've taken the courage to reveal him my feeling.

That's just for my view of relationship.  blush.gif
Yes, i agree. That's why the result of confession is not what i concern about, now.
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Your method is the "lets be friends first, then I shall see whether you are worth being attracted to" technique. Noobi3's steps is to create chemistry, something which I believe you avoid.
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I didn't FFK u oso, he FFK us got la laugh.gif
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Your method is the "lets be friends first, then I shall see whether you are worth being attracted to" technique. Noobi3's steps is to create chemistry, something which I believe you avoid.
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If the chap is not worth being attracted to, so whats the point of creating chemistry?

For sex boleh la brows.gif wub.gif

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Dude, she doesn't want you to use the word "she", she wants you to use the word "you" when you replied to her! laugh.gif
QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 29 2009, 02:15 PM)
He's lost his touch, missed the signal from debbie laugh.gif
Debbie's tried to tarp me once before. Won't be fooled again. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 02:51 PM)
Debbie's tried to tarp me once before. Won't be fooled again.  biggrin.gif
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i almost laughed till dropped on the floor at my office

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 29 2009, 02:48 PM)
If the chap is not worth being attracted to, so whats the point of creating chemistry?

For sex boleh la  brows.gif  wub.gif
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What sillyness is this? What's the point of being attracted to someone if there's no chemistry?

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 02:51 PM)
Debbie's tried to tarp me once before. Won't be fooled again.  biggrin.gif
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Debbie's tried to tarp me once before. Won't be fooled again.  biggrin.gif
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wahahahaha.......
i almost laughed till dropped on the floor at my office

no wonder recently you are being so serious in replying my posts.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
The internet is serious business.

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 04:41 PM)
The internet is serious business.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Why are you being so serious to me?  cry.gif
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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so debbieyss is a tarp and not a female as advertised in the female tag?
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OMG!!!!!! Debbie is a TARP!!!!??? !! OMFG!!!!!!!


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What sillyness is this? What's the point of being attracted to someone if there's no chemistry?
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Means that if the person is not what you want, why want to create chemistry with him/her?

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Ask you for supper ma... but you din choi me cry.gif
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happy4ever, why you don't reply my post to you?
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which post, mr debbie? unsure.gif
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is this topic derailment time?
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 29 2009, 05:22 PM)
Means that if the person is not what you want, why want to create chemistry with him/her?
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Don't you understand what you asked can be twisted the other way? It's a not causality, it's just a different way of getting there.
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damn noobie13... ur thread is so right... it really works...

i just started a relationship wif a girl and i did the things u mentioned (we started before u open this thread of course) except that i do it the 1,2,3,5,4 way....

lots of jokes and funny stuffs at first to catch her attention... then i'll start sms her once in awhile to keep her interested... soon after then i asked her out for a date and after that the next thing we know we got real close and physical contact occurs... previously she's kinda shy and won't wanna have much contact but after one two date... things started to get well between us... kinda like both of us know somethings happening... laugh.gif a few more dates and now she's mine... a happy couple we are... thumbup.gif

btw... it took me roughly 1~2 months.... biggrin.gif
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im single and lonely .. pls god help me noobie ....
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im also single and lonely~ahahaha
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u're pretty good looking wat... unless the avatar boy is not u la....

haha...
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good looking no use already~

now pocket/money TALKS

good looking is just a BONUS for them

hahaha

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0_0 I will try from now on, sifu...

and let u know the result~~~
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QUOTE(andrewleewaikeong @ Jul 29 2009, 06:31 PM)
good looking no use already~

now pocket/money TALKS

good looking is just a BONUS for them

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What sort of girls do you like and what avenues or settings are you meeting them?
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i cant give you a certain answer cause i like too many people

LOL !!!

conclusion is i dont like those gals who like me~~ blink.gif
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A lot of success in life depends on attitude, and the same goes with happy and fulfilling interactions with women.

Attitude. You can laugh about it and joke now going hahaha and play the fool, say "dunno, lol", and decide to never attempt to understand yourself and your desires what more the circumstances and situations you find yourself in, but where is that going to get you?

If I were you, I would not rely on luck to get you by the roll of years.


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QUOTE(maximus85 @ Jul 29 2009, 06:15 PM)
damn noobie13... ur thread is so right... it really works...

i just started a relationship wif a girl and i did the things u mentioned (we started before u open this thread of course) except that i do it the 1,2,3,5,4 way....

lots of jokes and funny stuffs at first to catch her attention... then i'll start sms her once in awhile to keep her interested... soon after then i asked her out for a date and after that the next thing we know we got real close and physical contact occurs... previously she's kinda shy and won't wanna have much contact but after one two date... things started to get well between us... kinda like both of us know somethings happening... laugh.gif  a few more dates and now she's mine... a happy couple we are... thumbup.gif

btw... it took me roughly 1~2 months.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jacksub @ Jul 29 2009, 06:37 PM)
0_0 I will try from now on, sifu...

and let u know the result~~~
Well, you could try it with the girl in your avatar. You're already on step 4 with her. biggrin.gif



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dickson help me ...
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Good one noobie (or n00b13).
I'm waiting for a guy to apply steps 1-5. blush.gif
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Long story short to n00b13's PRO SIFU GRANDMASTER advice:

1. Subliminality FTW.

2. Worship n00b13 as love god or fail forever.

3. Undergo gender change operation and woo n00b13, unless you're already female.

4. Listen to him or die.
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QUOTE(eyhc89 @ Jul 29 2009, 07:11 PM)
Good one noobie (or n00b13).
I'm waiting for a guy to apply steps 1-5.  blush.gif
Wait no longer. brows.gif


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Wait no longer.  brows.gif
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n00b13 is damn leng chai lar.
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doh.gif So what. oops.gif
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QUOTE(eyhc89 @ Jul 29 2009, 07:30 PM)
doh.gif So what.  oops.gif
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So must let him "kau", lol. laugh.gif
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I agree to this thread doesn't mean I agree to ALL his postings in LYN.

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QUOTE(eyhc89 @ Jul 29 2009, 07:33 PM)
He's not gonna "kau" ugly fags like me.  wink.gif
I agree to this thread doesn't mean I agree to ALL his postings in LYN.

Anyway  sign0006.gif
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 29 2009, 07:08 PM)
The only thing that can help you is a falcon punch to the nuts. sleep.gif

Are you ready to accept this medicine?  brows.gif
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come on baby !!! .. come on ...

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oh shiet.. I'm doing the exact 4 first points above.. but i dun like her. tongue.gif

keeping my distance ya know. nod.gif neutral
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But... but Ezra said we must look at the mirror first...
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wanna ask something... sweat.gif ..when u told a girl u like her...will she start to treat u differently?
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wanna ask something... sweat.gif ..when u told a girl u like her...will she start to treat u differently?
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No need to tell you like her. Go out indirectly with her for few times and she will get the hints. Moment you tell them you like them, they will start to act sombong.
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QUOTE(gugugaga @ Jul 29 2009, 09:08 PM)
No need to tell you like her. Go out indirectly with her for few times and she will get the hints. Moment you tell them you like them, they will start to act sombong.
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QUOTE(gugugaga @ Jul 29 2009, 10:08 PM)
No need to tell you like her. Go out indirectly with her for few times and she will get the hints. Moment you tell them you like them, they will start to act sombong.
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Yes, when you tell her u like her, she will start avoid you and act differently as before. Most girls are shy, so try to give hint 1st, then observe her reaction, if she show interest of you then only confess when the time is right.
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+1

Yes, when you tell her u like her, she will start avoid you and act differently as before. Most girls are shy, so try to give hint 1st, then observe her reaction, if she show interest of you then only confess when the time is right.
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Again back to the "confessing" thing? shocking.gif
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+1

Yes, when you tell her u like her, she will start avoid you and act differently as before. Most girls are shy, so try to give hint 1st, then observe her reaction, if she show interest of you then only confess when the time is right.
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Dont ever tell them you like them, seriously. Just ask them out as normal friend for some activity or yumcha. If no reject slowly move on. If u tell them u like them, they wil think ' on mai, this guy likes me and im going to jual mahal so he cherish me more next time"
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what is confess anyway?
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 29 2009, 09:39 AM)
what is confess anyway?
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–verb (used without object)
to make confession; plead guilty; own: to confess to a crime.
to make confession of sins, esp. to a priest.
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I'm beginning to suspect that Christian missionaries and english schools have played a HUGE prank on the Chinese people.

E.g just look at the renaming of Afterworld Money to HELL Money.

And now, "confessing" just because you REALLY LIKE a girl.

Wtf!!!!

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haiz...no wonder shes treating me diffly..
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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 29 2009, 06:13 PM)
Fail get = you.

Don't you understand what you asked can be twisted the other way? It's a not causality, it's just a different way of getting there.
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You're the one that failed.

Let me put it in another way. If you're not interested in that bloke, why create chemistry in the first place.

FAHAM?
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hmm.....all 5 steps happened to us....

but we are still frens only? hmm.gif
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No need to teach me these 5 steps.
I've tried all and more than those and I phailed to make her mine.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 29 2009, 11:39 PM)
No need to teach me these 5 steps.
I've tried all and more than those and I phailed to make her mine.
Then try them again on another girl.


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Haha, the schoolboy confession part is so true... Back then, those guys just never gave me a chance to let my feelings develop!
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jul 29 2009, 05:05 PM)
so debbieyss is a tarp and not a female as advertised in the female tag?
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QUOTE(KirklandLee @ Jul 29 2009, 05:09 PM)
OMG!!!!!! Debbie is a TARP!!!!??? !! OMFG!!!!!!!
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Well, let it be as what you think i am then. tongue.gif

QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 29 2009, 05:22 PM)
which post, mr debbie?  unsure.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 04:35 PM)
If she's shown you all the right signs, if you've went out on the date, if you're alone with her and it's quiet and she's standing really close to you and you're both gazing into each other's eyes...

...actually, you still shouldn't confess. You should grab her and give her an earth-shaking kiss.

Then you can confess.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 29 2009, 11:09 PM)
You're the one that failed.

Let me put it in another way. If you're not interested in that bloke, why create chemistry in the first place.

FAHAM?
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You dont have to know a person to be interested. Paham?

Geez... people these days aren't as smart as I give them credit for.

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Interested ker?
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Definitely much better than ezralimm IMHO laugh.gif
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He's not gonna "kau" ugly fags like me.  wink.gif
I agree to this thread doesn't mean I agree to ALL his postings in LYN.

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You no fun lah eyhc. grumble.gif


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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 30 2009, 11:06 AM)
You no fun lah eyhc.  grumble.gif
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Err, is it appropriate to post people's face in CC? blink.gif

I've reported the post just in case it isn't. O_o"
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Err, is it appropriate to post people's face in CC?  blink.gif

I've reported the post just in case it isn't. O_o"
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If the face is handsome or pretty then im sure its ok. H4E look good ma....so its ok! He no complain also.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 30 2009, 09:40 AM)
You dont have to know a person to be interested. Paham?

Geez... people these days aren't as smart as I give them credit for.
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Thats called infatuation, dum dum dry.gif

I didn't know you like throw off your chemistry to strangers like a dog on heat. rolleyes.gif


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If the face is handsome or pretty then im sure its ok. H4E look good ma....so its ok! He no complain also.
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hah? rclxub.gif unsure.gif

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 30 2009, 04:28 PM)
If the face is handsome or pretty then im sure its ok. H4E look good ma....so its ok! He no complain also.
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Ya it's true. Happy4ever is damn lengzhai.

Quite unexpected. rclxub.gif







just kidding! tongue.gif
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Ya it's true. Happy4ever is damn lengzhai.

Quite unexpected.  rclxub.gif
just kidding! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 28 2009, 02:10 PM)
Right, I'm gonna do an ezralimm and attempt to impart my precious wisdom onto you noobs. Be kind.

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"Confessing" is for losers. Seriously. It is the lamest way of letting a girl know you like her, and it is not very effective. Here's why:

- You're giving up all control over the outcome. All the power is now in her hands to either say yes or no. There's nothing you can do about it anymore.
- You're putting unnecessary pressure on her. Suddenly she has to decide then and there how she feels about you, when she may not even be sure herself yet. And she may be afraid of hurting you if she says no. It's not fair to put her in such a position.
- You're asking her to love you back. You don't ask for love. You offer it, and if she accepts, she will offer hers in return.
- You're setting up an unrealistic expectation. Since you asked for her love, she will tend to see you as someone who always has to earn it. She will see herself as a princess to you, because you played the role of a beggar to her.

Only lovesick schoolboys still do this "confession" thing. Mature adults do it this way:

1) Eye contact. You know how two people tend to not look each other in the eye for too long? That there's usually a time limit before both people look away? Well, if you like this girl, maintain eye contact just a little longer than the time limit. Look at her just a little longer than necessary. Then give her a little smile before looking away. Don't stare, don't glue your eyes to her all the time. Just don't be afraid to show that you like looking at her.  smile.gif

2) Make her laugh. It's one thing to get her to talk comfortably with you. It's another thing for her to enjoy talking to you, so much so that she remembers how much she enjoys talking to you. Be at your wittiest and most charming, put some effort into making her laugh. Don't be too shy to say something like, "Hey, wanna hear a joke?" Then tell her a dozen jokes, one after another. Let her know that you're purposely trying to make her happy.

3) Remember the things she says. Listen to what she has to say, then show her that you listened. If she mentioned her dog Poochie, greet her with "Hi, how's Poochie?" the next time you see her. If she mentioned she has trouble sleeping, ask her if she slept well the next day. If she likes a certain TV show, find out when the show airs, then ask her how was last night's episode the next day. Better yet, watch the show, so that you can talk about it with her. You can even tell her you didn't like the show - the fact that you watched it just because of her is flattering enough.

4) Physical proximity/contact. This is a tricky one, so be very careful. Position yourself closer to her - not too close, but a little closer than normal. You know the distance between friends, and the distance between bf and gf? You want to be exactly halfway in-between. (And better make sure you're wearing deodorant!) Similarly, give her a little touch every now and then, but be careful. Touch her shoulder when you want to get her attention. When talking to her, pat her on her arm to emphasize a point; if you've gotten close enough to her, you can try her thigh. When walking together, put your hand on the small of her back to guide her in a different direction. Just don't let your hand linger there too long.

You know what's the best thing about all these? They are measurable. Meaning, you will know instantly whether or not they're working. If she likes you, she will return the eye contact with you - if she doesn't, she always will look away before you do. If she likes you, she will laugh at all your jokes. If she likes you, she will appreciate the fact that you remember things about her. If she likes you, she will stand close to you, and she will touch you. By doing these things to her, you are letting her know it's okay for her to do the same to you. You're also letting her know that it's okay for her to not do the same to you, if she's not interested in you.

And if you're getting all the right signals from her, it's time to move on to:

5) Ask her out. Just you and her. None of the rest of your gang. Nobody else. Yes, it's a date. It could be a movie, it could be a drink at a coffee place, or if you're really confident, it could be dinner at a nice restaurant. Don't treat it as if it's a big deal, as if by saying yes she'll be making a big commitment to you. Keep this in mind if she's reluctant - say, "Hey, it's just a movie/coffee/dinner, I'm not asking you to marry me laa."

And after you do all this, after you've got the date... then what?

Then you just let it happen naturally. And believe me, if you've gotten this far and the girl has been showing all the signs of liking you, it will happen naturally. Which may be a surprise if you've always thought that tackling a girl is a long, gruelling, agonizingly difficult task that involves a "confession". You may be surprised at how easy it was. Which is as it should be. (And don't give me that "if it's easy to get, you won't appreciate" nonsense.  shakehead.gif ) If a guy and a girl like each other, they should fall into a relationship easily.

This is how mature adults do it. And even if you are a lovesick schoolboy, you should still do it this way. Because it's the right way to do it.
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Vote pin.

A bit technical though. The tl;dr summary would simply be that it takes two to tango.

I dont quite agree with the part on physical contact. Different girls expect different amounts of physical contact. Just go with the flow, you should be able to sense when you are going too far.

The thread should come with a disclaimer that if a girl doesnt find you attractive, none of the above would work.... The eye contact would be interpreted as being "creepy", jokes would be "lame", physical contact would be a no-no (she would edge away and avoid you...creep!), and you will be brushed away when you ask her out smile.gif


With regards to the part on remembering things: I feel that it's best not to "try to remember". Rather, try to build genuine rapport. EMPATHY is key. If your mind is somewhere else, your date will notice...no matter how many little things you remember about her.


Added on July 30, 2009, 5:46 pmOh btw, this article is a nice followup to the one i just wrote.


my article dealt with issues of attractiveness (holistically).

this one deals with the step after that.

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 05:43 PM)
A bit technical though. The tl;dr summary would simply be that it takes two to tango.
No, I don't think so. Not everything can be reduced to a tl;dr.

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 05:43 PM)
The thread should come with a disclaimer that if a girl doesnt find you attractive, none of the above would work....
Not quite. I made it clear that aside from showing your interest in someone, it also allows you to test her for interest in you.

One of the best ways to attract someone is to show your attraction to them, in a manner that does not make them uncomfortable. But this is not a "kau lui" guide. It is, as I have titled it, a guide on what to do to let a girl know you're interested in her.



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No, I don't think so. Not everything can be reduced to a tl;dr.
Not quite. I made it clear that aside from showing your interest in someone, it also allows you to test her for interest in you.

One of the best ways to attract someone is to show your attraction to them, in a manner that does not make them uncomfortable. But this is not a "kau lui" guide. It is, as I have titled it, a guide on what to do to let a girl know you're interested in her.
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Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

In my experience and observation, I find that if a guy shows that kind of interest (steps 1-5) towards a girl who does not find him attractive:

1) extra eye contact wont be reciprocated, and may be considered "creepy".
2) the uninterested girl simply wouldnt give the guy much opportunities to "make her laugh".
3) Physical contact will earn you the proverbial slap on the face.


Either way. It doesnt matter. Chicken or the egg? Which came first? Dont know, dont give a shit. I still like to eat chicken.


The bottom line is that if a girl does not find you attractive, you simply wouldnt have much luck with any of those steps. Dont believe me? Try doing those steps with the hottest girl you know... Ya know, the girl who gets all the attention and has a zillion eligable bachelors going after her. Good luck!



You can generally tell when a girl finds you attractive. SHE would be looking at you. SHE would not avoid talking/chatting with you. SHE will actually try to engage you...giving you all the opportunities for steps 1-5 in your article.


the girl will give the guy opportunities for steps 1-5 if she is interested in him smile.gif


...in the same way guys give lots of opportunities to girls they find attractive (guys always seem to want to know more about the hot girls yea wink.gif )
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 05:43 PM)
Vote pin.


I agree, I vote that this thread should be pinned too. I wonder if there's anything else we can do or any other way we can develop this thread. hmm.gif

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A bit technical though. The tl;dr summary would simply be that it takes two to tango.

I dont quite agree with the part on physical contact. Different girls expect different amounts of physical contact. Just go with the flow, you should be able to sense when you are going too far.

The thread should come with a disclaimer that if a girl doesnt find you attractive, none of the above would work.... The eye contact would be interpreted as being "creepy", jokes would be "lame", physical contact would be a no-no (she would edge away and avoid you...creep!), and you will be brushed away when you ask her out smile.gif
With regards to the part on remembering things: I feel that it's best not to "try to remember". Rather, try to build genuine rapport. EMPATHY is key. If your mind is somewhere else, your date will notice...no matter how many little things you remember about her.


Added on July 30, 2009, 5:46 pmOh btw, this article is a nice followup to the one i just wrote.
my article dealt with issues of attractiveness (holistically).

this one deals with the step after that.
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Yes, it does take two to tango, and I do suppose it seems technical because it's put forward in step format, so I do agree that it's a better practice to understand the concepts Noobie is putting across and to feel the vibe of things.

But I'll second Noobie's assertion: this guide isn't about how to attract a girl, it's about how to show her that you like her, how to read her interest in you by giving her a chance to reciprocate and also to play along (and also to reject your advances, by the way).

Regarding physical contact, I almost never put my hands on a girl's thigh or even her waist until I get very clear and strong signals that she would be okay with it.

In other settings and circumstances like in western countries however, I would immediately BUAYA. laugh.gif
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well said, true enough. when girls find you attractive. She'll hunt u down no matter what, try to get to know details bout you son.
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Ezra, hate to say it but you're trying really hard to conform Noobie's content to your point of views again.

Noobie's guide isn't about attracting women. It isn't about "success". Of course it would only work on a chick who already likes you.
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 30 2009, 06:20 PM)
Ezra, hate to say it but you're trying really hard to conform Noobie's content to your point of views again.

Noobie's guide isn't about attracting women. It isn't about "success". Of course it would only work on a chick who already likes you.
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I agree.

Dude, just because you agree with someone over some points does not mean that you are "conforming" (it's the wrong term btw) their views to yours.


At the end of the day, we are talking about different things. And yeah, you said it (bolded text^).
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 06:07 PM)
Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

In my experience and observation, I find that if a guy shows that kind of interest (steps 1-5) towards a girl who does not find him attractive:

1) extra eye contact wont be reciprocated, and may be considered "creepy".
2) the uninterested girl simply wouldnt give the guy much opportunities to "make her laugh".
3) Physical contact will earn you the proverbial slap on the face.
Either way. It doesnt matter. Chicken or the egg? Which came first? Dont know, dont give a shit. I still like to eat chicken.
The bottom line is that if a girl does not find you attractive, you simply wouldnt have much luck with any of those steps. Dont believe me? Try doing those steps with the hottest girl you know... Ya know, the girl who gets all the attention and has a zillion eligable bachelors going after her. Good luck!
You can generally tell when a girl finds you attractive. SHE would be looking at you. SHE would not avoid talking/chatting with you. SHE will actually try to engage you...giving you all the opportunities for steps 1-5 in your article.
the girl will give the guy opportunities for steps 1-5 if she is interested in him smile.gif
...in the same way guys give lots of opportunities to girls they find attractive (guys always seem to want to know more about the hot girls yea wink.gif )
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The guy can be a total fugly person, unattractive, yet unless if the girl is indeed stuckup beach, there is no reason why having forming mutual friendship is impossible. Attractiveness of an individual takes time to unravel, unless that guy has a total shit attitude.

Otherwise, everything can work in favour as long as it takes time to get acquainted. And yes, women likes men to look them in the eye when they talk. In fact, no one likes to talk to you if your eyes keep looking everywhere else, or at the crotch or breasts.

Also, don't think too much about physical attraction based on sight. It is only skin deep. She can find you attractive at first, and later finds you irritating and annoying the more she learns about you.

Bottom line is, maintain good character, confidence, and self worth, plus, be a gentleman. Be sincere, and be thoughtful. Table manners too. These are some traits most guys lack off, simply because they have no family teaching (especially table manners)
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 06:42 PM)
I agree.

Dude, just because you agree with someone over some points does not mean that you are "conforming" (it's the wrong term btw) their views to yours.
At the end of the day, we are talking about different things. And yeah, you said it (bolded text^).
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Hmm, let me try to explain.

I am looking at Noobie's post entirely within its context, a better way of letting a girl know you like her, and thus I am limiting my critique to entirely within that sphere.

When you raise the bigger picture of course and say that this would only work if the girl is attracted to you, then yes of course I agree, but doesn't everybody take that for granted already? That attraction or its potential MUST exist for anything to progress in any way?

However, if you would say that having that having attraction is more important than Noobie's guide, this is where I would disagree.

I think that having attraction and also Noobie's guide has equal importance.

If you had attraction from a girl, but responded to it in the wrong way, there is a strong chance that you would immediately lose it.

And conversely it is entirely possible to create attraction out of thin air, even if a girl has not noticed you before.

So that's what I think. blink.gif


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 30 2009, 06:44 PM)
The guy can be a total fugly person, unattractive, yet unless if the girl is indeed stuckup beach, there is no reason why having forming mutual friendship is impossible. Attractiveness of an individual takes time to unravel, unless that guy has a total shit attitude.

Otherwise, everything can work in favour as long as it takes time to get acquainted. And yes, women likes men to look them in the eye when they talk. In fact, no one likes to talk to you if your eyes keep looking everywhere else, or at the crotch or breasts.

Also, don't think too much about physical attraction based on sight. It is only skin deep. She can find you attractive at first, and later finds you irritating and annoying the more she learns about you.

Bottom line is, maintain good character, confidence, and self worth, plus, be a gentleman. Be sincere, and be thoughtful. Table manners too. These are some traits most guys lack off, simply because they have no family teaching (especially table manners)
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It's too bad I'm a barbarian that stares at breasts.

I can't help it. I love breasts so much. If I see them, I cannot stop staring. cry.gif

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 05:43 PM)
The thread should come with a disclaimer that if a girl doesnt find you attractive, none of the above would work.
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Sorry mate, I disagree with you. By your rational, you can only approach girls who are attracted to you. That is of course, a ridiculous proposition. A lot of times when you approach someone you think is attractive, they probably don't know shit about you and probably don't think if you're attractive or not. You're just someone coming up to talk to them.

The 5 steps listed actually have underlying attractive qualities which women often look for in a man.

1) Eye contact - Confidence
2) Make her laugh - Interesting
3) Remember things she say - Attentive
4) Physical Proximity / Contact - Confidence / Experience
5) Ask her out - Initiative

If a lady is attracted to you, but you can't exhibit the above qualities, you'll lose that attraction real quick. Even if the girl has known you for some time, and you're both friends, the steps above help you break out of the dreaded friend zone. All friendships have their limits, and you have to cross them to get to the next level. With friends, its typically step 4 and 5.

If attraction is not there, you simply build it. A person can't choose to be attracted to you or not, so it doesn't hurt to show your best and do your best for the person you're interested in.


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Actually what are you guys doing in here? Still trying to figure out how to get a girl issit?
Can come out with theories in point form summore. and the best part is some of you debate with bombastic words with intimidating English words. If that isn't nerdy I don't know what is. But I know d*** Poon is.  tongue.gif
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If attraction is not there, you simply build it. A person can't choose to be attracted to you or not, so it doesn't hurt to show your best and do your best for the person you're interested in.

1) Eye contact - Confidence
2) Make her laugh - Interesting
3) Remember things she say - Attentive
4) Physical Proximity / Contact - Confidence / Experience
5) Ask her out - Initiative

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TS: There we have it^, the tl;dr summary. wink.gif




Again, which came first? The chicken or the egg?


Glass half full, glass half empty.

Optimist vs Pessimist.


It doesnt freaking matter. You can tell people that attraction can be "built" by following those five steps if it makes you happy. This is simply not reality as I perceive it.

Steps 1-5 are valid though...and there is no harm trying to show your best to the person you're interested in.

If a girl doesnt find you attractive, no matter how well you do steps 1-5, she will still only see you as a friend. If you push too hard, she will be creeped and avoid you! Put yourself in the girl's shoes. What if a really ugly girl starts showing romantic interest in you? What would you do? She's a goody 2 shoes who is an angel and makes you laugh. She is interesting. She communicates well with you. She is culturally compatible with you... but she is so very dead ugly that you couldnt EVER imagine seeing her naked. What would you do? All the "nice" female characteristics... personality, compatibility, etc... simply dont matter... There is no mutual attraction.

Also note that it is very hard to have confidence, to be interesting and to be empathetic if you proverbially "DONT HAVE A LIFE" (the topic my latest thread addresses).

You could tell very early on if a person is interested in you or not pretty much by the way they look and interact with you. Things are mutual... and in my opinion, just to progress beyond step #1 requires mutual attraction
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That's why I keep on stressing that guys should only pursue girls they detect interest from (i am assuming that guys would only pursue girls they are interested in of course). It should be obvious as the light of day when a girl is interested in you. Once you detect interest...then proceed with step's 1-5 as TS is suggesting.

How well you proceed through each of those steps depends on the characteristics you correctly outlined above: confidence / empathy ("attention") / social skills ("make her laugh") etc.


oh and btw, those traits are not just "simply built". They take a solid foundation to build up over time...

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 08:18 PM)
TS: There we have it^, the tl;dr summary. wink.gif
Again, which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Glass half full, glass half empty.

Optimist vs Pessimist.
It doesnt freaking matter. You can tell people that attraction can be "built" by following those five steps if it makes you happy. This is simply not reality as I perceive it.

Steps 1-5 are valid though...and there is no harm trying to show your best to the person you're interested in.

If a girl doesnt find you attractive, no matter how well you do steps 1-5, she will still only see you as a friend. If you push too hard, she will be creeped and avoid you! Put yourself in the girl's shoes. What if a really ugly girl starts showing romantic interest in you? What would you do? She's a goody 2 shoes who is an angel and makes you laugh. She is interesting. She communicates well with you. She is culturally compatible with you... but she is so very dead ugly that you couldnt EVER imagine seeing her naked. What would you do? All the "nice" female characteristics... personality, compatibility, etc... simply dont matter... There is no mutual attraction.

Also note that it is very hard to have confidence, to be interesting and to be empathetic if you proverbially "DONT HAVE A LIFE" (the topic my latest thread addresses).

You could tell very early on if a person is interested in you or not pretty much by the way they look and interact with you. Things are mutual... and in my opinion, just to progress beyond step #1 requires mutual attraction
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That's why I keep on stressing that guys should only pursue girls they detect interest from (i am assuming that guys would only pursue girls they are interested in of course). It should be obvious as the light of day when a girl is interested in you. Once you detect interest...then proceed with step's 1-5 as TS is suggesting.

How well you proceed through each of those steps depends on the characteristics you correctly outlined above: confidence / empathy ("attention") / social skills ("make her laugh") etc.
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Wow cool discovery you have there. Err... tell me, what do you get out of this?
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i heard by touching urself b4 a date improves ur confidence oh .. is tat true
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yes. that is true. the reason is simple. after u ejaculate you feel more relaxed. scientifically proven.


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Wow cool discovery you have there. Err... tell me, what do you get out of this?
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guilty pleasure.

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Wow cool discovery you have there. Err... tell me, what do you get out of this?
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i have a question here, i failed step 5 before with this girl, but now it seems like i have done step 1,2,3 slowly... probably because last time she don't know me much and i straight to step 5... should i uhm proceed ?
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IMO, ask yourself... truthfully....

Would she be romantically interested in you?

Put yourself in her shoes...look at yourself (figuratively lah...) in the mirror .
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QUOTE(dr3w @ Jul 30 2009, 08:28 PM)
i have a question here, i failed step 5 before with this girl, but now it seems like i have done step 1,2,3 slowly... probably because last time she don't know me much and i straight to step 5... should i uhm proceed ?
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Step 1-5 do not guarantee or have any intention to make u suceed in getting a girl. Its merely a better alternative to the confession craze that is taking the kids by storm these days.

It takes longer and more ardous to do than the confession method. but its worth it. its safe. it increase your chance somewhat. it doesnt involve any commitment. it happen on its on sweet time. there is no pressure on both sides. minimal damage to ego in case of failure. minimal damage to friendship in case of failure. chicks dig you. your friends envy you etc etc and many more!

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Sexual kicks. I have a LYN:CC keyboard fetish...

ooh... yeah, typing makes me hot....  whistling.gif
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Do you have a real girl friend?
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 08:32 PM)
IMO, ask yourself... truthfully....

Would she be romantically interested in you?

Put yourself in her shoes...look at yourself (figuratively lah...) in the mirror .
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i'm not sure bout that, cause i'm asian, and she's half filipino half caucasian, so i really don't know if she will date asian now that she's more comfortable with me i wonder if i should ask her out.
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QUOTE(dr3w @ Jul 30 2009, 08:34 PM)
i'm not sure bout that, cause i'm asian, and she's half filipino half caucasian, so i really don't know if she will date asian now that she's more comfortable with me i wonder if i should ask her out.
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Please do not ask her stupid things like that. You will look like a small kid who's unsure or neurotic about little matters.

I'm busy now but I'll get back on this later.
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QUOTE(dr3w @ Jul 30 2009, 08:34 PM)
i'm not sure bout that, cause i'm asian, and she's half filipino half caucasian, so i really don't know if she will date asian now that she's more comfortable with me i wonder if i should ask her out.
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Race is irrelevant.


Love really is blind... but usually only when there is strong MUTUAL attraction.


Does she find you attractive?



All the steps mean nothing if she simply doesnt find you attractive.
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 30 2009, 08:48 PM)
Please do not ask her stupid things like that. You will look like a small kid who's unsure or neurotic about little matters.

I'm busy now but I'll get back on this later.
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i would never ask about something like that..

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 30 2009, 08:50 PM)
Race is irrelevant.
Love really is blind... but usually only when there is strong MUTUAL attraction.
Does she find you attractive?
All the steps mean nothing if she simply doesnt find you attractive.
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find me attractive hmm i don't know, i admit i'm not handsome but presentable when i'm not working, cos i work in a kitchen, i just wear cincai..
but i just can feel abit that she's trying to get my attention a lil bit or i perasan, i don't know =.=
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It doesnt freaking matter. You can tell people that attraction can be "built" by following those five steps if it makes you happy. This is simply not reality as I perceive it.

Your reality is a dark one laugh.gif

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If a girl doesnt find you attractive, no matter how well you do steps 1-5, she will still only see you as a friend. If you push too hard, she will be creeped and avoid you! Put yourself in the girl's shoes. What if a really ugly girl starts showing romantic interest in you? What would you do? She's a goody 2 shoes who is an angel and makes you laugh. She is interesting. She communicates well with you. She is culturally compatible with you... but she is so very dead ugly that you couldnt EVER imagine seeing her naked. What would you do? All the "nice" female characteristics... personality, compatibility, etc... simply dont matter... There is no mutual attraction.

You assume women get attracted based on looks like men do. Which is obviously, incorrect.

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You could tell very early on if a person is interested in you or not pretty much by the way they look and interact with you. Things are mutual... and in my opinion, just to progress beyond step #1 requiresmutual attraction

Qualities women are attracted to tend to take some knowing to establish, so how would they know they're attracted to you or not if you both haven't gotten to know each other? smile.gif There's attraction, and there's also repulsion, but there's a middle ground that almost all of us start in and tend to be in for a very long time before it shifts to positive (attraction) or negative (repulsion).

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That's why I keep on stressing that guys should only pursue girls they detect interest from (i am assuming that guys would only pursue girls they are interested in of course). It should be obvious as the light of day when a girl is interested in you. Once you detect interest...then proceed with step's 1-5 as TS is suggesting.

So only start courting a person who's already attracted to you? laugh.gif Do you know how many girls go "you know I would never have thought I'd fall for a guy like my bf"? Only approaching girls which show interests in you is weak and a cowards way of living.

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QUOTE(dr3w @ Jul 30 2009, 08:34 PM)
i'm not sure bout that, cause i'm asian, and she's half filipino half caucasian, so i really don't know if she will date asian now that she's more comfortable with me i wonder if i should ask her out.
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QUOTE(dr3w @ Jul 30 2009, 08:53 PM)
i would never ask about something like that..
find me attractive hmm i don't know, i admit i'm not handsome but presentable when i'm not working, cos i work in a kitchen, i just wear cincai..
but i just can feel abit that she's trying to get my attention a lil bit or i perasan, i don't know =.=
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[quote=silverhawk,Jul 30 2009, 08:57 PM]
You reality is a dark one laugh.gif
You assume women get attracted based on looks like men do. Which is obviously, incorrect.
Qualities women are attracted to tend to take some knowing to establish, so how would they know they're attracted to you or not if you both haven't gotten to know each other? smile.gif There's attraction, and there's also repulsion, but there's a middle ground that almost all of us start in and tend to be in for a very long time before it shifts to positive (attraction) or negative (repulsion).
So only start courting a person who's already attracted to you? laugh.gif Do you know how many girls go "you know I would never have thought I'd fall for a guy like my bf"? Only approaching girls which show interests in you is weak and a cowards way of living.
You never learn anything in life until you experience it first hand.

that is what i'm thinking now, maybe i had done step 1-3 but maybe she just find me as a friend ?
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Stop worrying what she thinks of you, that self doubt translates into every word and action you produce, and girls do not like guys who doubt themselves.
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uh okay then i'm gonna ask her out next week... i was actually thinking of inviting her to my house that i'm gonna try some recipe, cause i made some nice dessert several times and bring it to my workplace and she loves it, but i dont know if inviting her to my place would be too quick or something u know
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QUOTE(dr3w @ Jul 30 2009, 09:05 PM)
uh okay then i'm gonna ask her out next week... i was actually thinking of inviting her to my house that i'm gonna try some recipe, cause i made some nice dessert several times and bring it to my workplace and she loves it, but i dont know if inviting her to my place would be too quick or something u know
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What do you plan to achieve by inviting her to your house? Can this objective be met in some other place?
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What do you plan to achieve by inviting her to your house? Can this objective be met in some other place?
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try to win her heart by cooking something.? maybe it's too quick i should try and ask her for coffee or lunch 1st i guess
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So only start courting a person who's already attracted to you? laugh.gif Do you know how many girls go "you know I would never have thought I'd fall for a guy like my bf"? Only approaching girls which show interests in you is weak and a cowards way of living.
You never learn anything in life until you experience it first hand.
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^ or it is the way of those who are lucky enough to be choosy in the game of love.

Always remember that reality is cruel. People settle for what is available to them. There are only so many hot girls. They are only so many hot guys. Everyone likes to tell themselves things that make them feel good about themselves.

Many guys, especially those who hook up towards the age of desperation (ie 35yo) also say "you know I would never have thought I'd fall for a girl like my gf".

At the end of the day, I believe that attractiveness plays a big role in love and relationships. You seem to think otherwise. There is no point in arguing further and it is better for us to agree to disagree.

Ok Mr Phuah, we're starting to argue about the same things in circles.

Hopefully one day we shall meet. I want to you ask some questions, but I never discuss anybody's personal life online, including mine. I've attempted to contact you on facebook but have yet received a reply.

Im going to stop here.
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^ or it is the way of those who are lucky enough to be choosy in the game of love.

You got my facebook, tell me if I'm one of the "lucky" ones who get to be choosy.

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Always remember that reality is cruel. People settle for what is available to them. There are only so many hot girls. They are only so many hot guys. Everyone likes to tell themselves things that make them feel good about themselves.

Yourself included yes? Your words here reveal to me what you I've always criticised about your writing. You place a very heavy emphasis on looks, and have this conception that people "settle" for less because they can't get the best looking partner.

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Many guys, especially those who hook up towards the age of desperation (ie 35yo) also say "you know I would never have thought I'd fall for a girl like my gf".

The girls I'm talking about aren't even in their mid 20s yet smile.gif

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At the end of the day, I believe that attractiveness plays a big role in love and relationships. You seem to think otherwise. There is no point in arguing further and it is better for us to agree to disagree.

No, we both agree that attractiveness is important. We disagree on what constitutes attractiveness.

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Hopefully one day we shall meet. I want to you ask some questions, but I never discuss anybody's personal life online, including mine. I've attempted to contact you on facebook but have yet received a reply.

Im going to stop here.
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and silverhawk, i want your opinion on this one, she never comment on my facebook but she will ask me about my status the other day or something when we met, does that mean she is doing the number 3 on me?
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try to win her heart by cooking something.? maybe it's too quick i should try and ask her for coffee or lunch 1st i guess
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Get rid of your indecisiveness and start taking control of your life. There's nothing wrong with inviting her over, but if you're going to unsure of the reason, or even doubt yourself or have some hidden ulterior motive (i.e. insincere) its GOING TO SHOW unless you're a professional hustler/liar.

If you want to enjoy time with her, just ask her out to an amusement park or something. If you want to have a nice talk with her, chat over some drinks, whether its drinks at a coffee shop, mamak or even at a pub, it doesn't matter. If you want to make something nice for her, then just tell her that. "Hey, I've made a delicious new dessert and I want you to be the first to try it! come over and tell me what you think".

QUOTE(dr3w @ Jul 30 2009, 09:24 PM)
and silverhawk, i want your opinion on this one, she never comment on my facebook but she will ask me about my status the other day or something when we met, does that mean she is doing the number 3 on me?
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It doesn't matter what she thinks... stop second guessing yourself doh.gif If she's asking about you, she could just be friendly, or she could be really interested, or simply trying to make conversation. Does it matter?? Its your job to make her interested in what you have to say after that.
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okay okay thanks for the encouragement, i shall ask her out next week biggrin.gif and uhm the reason of my undecisiveness is because she rejected me before last time when i asked her out for lunch, she replied me that she just broke up and not looking for any relationship.. but that was like 6 months ago

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okay okay thanks for the encouragement, i shall ask her out next week  biggrin.gif and uhm the reason of my undecisiveness is because she rejected me before last time when i asked her out for lunch, she replied me that she just broke up and not looking for any relationship.. but that was like 6 months ago
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 30 2009, 09:23 PM)
Your words here reveal to me what you I've always criticised about your writing. You place a very heavy emphasis on looks, and have this conception that people "settle" for less because they can't get the best looking partner.
very often tongue.gif
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^ Dude, the latest thread has little emphasis on looks per se.

As per your metaphor, I focused quite heavily on the driver rather than the car. Because you cant change the car... and I want my thread to be as politically correct as possible.

I do keep in mind however that physical attributes do play an important role. ie. It's very difficult for a guy to ask out a girl who is significantly taller than him.

Using the car analogy, you cannot race a kancil against a BMW M3.
...no matter how much the kancil driver tells himself that it's really about driving skill.

but the point is, it doesnt matter what class of car you are driving. Even Class C cars have the Sunday Cup!


You want to be the best you can be in the league you are in!

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^ Dude, the latest thread has little emphasis on looks per se.

In the writing itself, no, but from the way you write its obvious.

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As per your metaphor, I focused quite heavily on the driver rather than the car. Because you cant change the car... and I want my thread to be as politically correct as possible.

Political correctness is over-rated. You want to make a point say it, don't dilute it with niceness till it loses its meaning.

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I do keep in mind however that physical attributes do play an important role. ie. It's very difficult for a guy to ask out a girl who is significantly taller than him.

Difficult, but not impossible.

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Using the car analogy, you cannot race a kancil against a BMW M3.
...no matter how much the kancil driver tells himself that it's really about driving skill.

Sure he can, he just needs to choose the right course tongue.gif Catch my drift?

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but the point is, it doesnt matter what class of car you are driving. Even Class C cars have the Sunday Cup!
You want to be the best you can be in the league you are in!
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In the writing itself, no, but from the way you write its obvious.
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That is your opinion.

I'll leave it to the others who read my thread to decide.

I maintain that i place APPROPRIATE/realistic emphasis on the role of physical attributes in love and dating.
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can teach me how to let a guy know that i'm interested in him?
Actually, I have been thinking about a version for women. But it seems that the 5 steps work pretty well for a girl who's interested in a guy too... although, perhaps, step 2 could be replaced with "Laugh at all his jokes". laugh.gif


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Actually, I have been thinking about a version for women. But it seems that the 5 steps work pretty well for a girl who's interested in a guy too... although, perhaps, step 2 could be replaced with "Laugh at all his jokes".  laugh.gif
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Got a lucky lad in mind to try it on, Debbie?
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currently still love my ex-bf...
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Drew, listen to Silverhawk's advice.

How many times have you taken her out before, how do you usually interact with her, and what do you usually do together?

I'll add more thoughts after I get your answer.

Regarding inviting her to your home, you might think that it's innocuous but from experience women tend to be more wary and circumspect about going to a guy's house.

Might be a better choice to take her out to do something fun before asking her to your place. She might think you're looking for a quick lay and think she's easy. Then again, everything depends which is why I asked you those questions above.

Regarding if she likes you, there are two necessary components:

1. You have to have confidence in your own attractiveness, no matter what other people think. You must believe this is an innate quality. You must have grounds to do so, and your confidence must be unshakeable.

2. You can see her degree of interest in you by how she treats you. Is she receptive to you? When you gaze into her eyes, does she gaze back? Does she laugh at your jokes? When you ask her to do something, does she do it? Is she comfortable with your touch? When you make a silly face does she laugh? When your body is close to hers, is she comfortable with it? Does she actually lean in closer, or does she seem nervous, or does she try to keep her distance?

^ These things and many more are ways you can use to judge how much she's into you.

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Next: attitude

A lot of success in life depends on your attitude. This is true of love also.

Two things stand out from your posts:

1. You think believe that you may be discounted entirely on the basis of race

2. "try to win her heart by cooking something?". You want to "win" her heart.

A) There are a lot of Chinese guys out there with really hot girlfriends and wives of other races. What's the difference between them and other Chinese losers?

1. They do not have an inferiority complex, they do not believe that they are inferior or that other races of men have an advantage just because of race. They have not allowed themselves to be mentally colonized and defeated, unlike other men who have completely absorbed negative ideas into their sense of self.

2. They have very strong personal qualities that set them apart from other people, that make them noticed in a good way.

3. These traits ensure that they are seen not just as "some Chinese guy" - which is a very vague and generic label and most susceptible to almost any number of negative stereotyping and racism out there - but as actual personalities.

B) Love and relationships are like clapping, it takes both hands, both parties. It's always a good idea to have the other party willing to invest just as much into you as you are to her, from the very beginning. If she's willing to do that, that significantly lessens the chances she will take you for granted or leave for greener pastures.

Instead of trying to "win" her heart, give her a chance to win YOURS. This is very important.

Also, what is it about her that you like? What is it that sets her apart from other women you meet and interact with? Be clear about this, enough to understand the basis of your attraction towards her. If all goes well, one day she will surely want to know.

Likewise, rather than trying to "win" her heart, let her find out about you, portray the side of yourself that has value and that makes her unique, and give her a chance to recognize and appreciate that.

Well, I've written too much already. All the best, Drew! smile.gif

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If a girl doesnt find you attractive, no matter how well you do steps 1-5, she will still only see you as a friend.

No problem. Thats what i have said, GROW in love, not fall in love.
Everything starts from building meaningful friendship first, getting to know each other. The attractiveness within will bloom like a flower, delicate and intimately... ("wat wat? in my butt" tongue.gif sorry, can't stop imagining that MTV)

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Put yourself in the girl's shoes. What if a really ugly girl starts showing romantic interest in you? What would you do? She's a goody 2 shoes who is an angel and makes you laugh. She is interesting. She communicates well with you. She is culturally compatible with you... but she is so very dead ugly that you couldnt EVER imagine seeing her naked. What would you do? All the "nice" female characteristics... personality, compatibility, etc... simply dont matter... There is no mutual attraction.
No problem about that. smile.gif

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The more you get acquainted to him/her, the more you would eventually grow in love.
I've seen how butt ugly people gets the prettiest/most hansem mates. biggrin.gif
Its not how you look that matter. Its how well you carry yourself, and how sincere and gentle and sweet you are.

Look for a soul mate. Not a wife. wink.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 02:43 AM)
No problem. Thats what i have said, GROW in love, not fall in love.
Everything starts from building meaningful friendship first, getting to know each other. The attractiveness within will bloom like a flower, delicate and intimately... ("wat wat? in my butt"  tongue.gif  sorry, can't stop imagining that MTV)
No problem about that.  smile.gif

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The more you get acquainted to him/her, the more you would eventually grow in love.
I've seen how butt ugly people gets the prettiest/most hansem mates. biggrin.gif
Its not how you look that matter. Its how well you carry yourself, and how sincere and gentle and sweet you are.

Look for a soul mate. Not a wife.  wink.gif
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wow one liner ..

btw ppl find right ppl to love instead of learning to love right ...
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At the risk of sounding sappy and unmanly, I would say that learning to love is just as important as finding the right person to love. blink.gif
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ur right too but sleep.gif lol we are going in circles .. ppl have too much expectation tho hahaha
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Yes, it is true that people have too much expectations.

I believe that this is because these expectations come from external sources, as well as ignorance about the self.

So when you have a man or woman that doesn't understand him or herself, cannot understand their desires and what motivates them, doesn't know what they want in a partner beyond the most superficial things and external appearances, then you have all these external sources telling them what is "good" or "bad" and "right" or "wrong" or "cool" or "uncool", it is bound to happen that all their expectations are in the end irrelevant.

As for finding the right person to love and also learning to love, I believe that they are two separate but inter-related things, thus it is not a chicken or egg question nor apples and oranges simile, but more like ant and wasp. Sorry I can't find a better simile or analogy, my brain failed at the end there. Argh doh.gif rclxub.gif
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A lot of people don't really understand what love is. That's the thing: it's hard to understand love until you've been shown love.

At the risk of sounding sappy and unmanly, I would say that learning to love is just as important as finding the right person to love.  blink.gif
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To learn to love, is to start placing the priority of the other person above yours.
It will come a time when what you want isn't as important as what she wants. smile.gif

Now thats selfless love. To commit, and to cherish. Without cease, with great perseverance.

Come, and make love to me, and I will teach you LOVE!

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To learn to love, is to start placing the priority of the other person above yours.
It will come a time when what you want isn't as important as what she wants.  smile.gif

Now thats selfless love. To commit, and to cherish. Without cease, with great perseverance.

Come, and make love to me, and I will teach you LOVE!
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QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ Jul 31 2009, 01:41 AM)
TS...for the step 4,if the girl was being abused by man b4 or she is very cautious about men,then wat should we do? tongue.gif
If she has deep-seated psychological issues with men or with physical contact with men, that warrants an entirely different approach. One which my article does not cover.

You should start a new thread.


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 02:43 AM)
No problem. Thats what i have said, GROW in love, not fall in love.
Everything starts from building meaningful friendship first, getting to know each other. The attractiveness within will bloom like a flower, delicate and intimately... ("wat wat? in my butt"  tongue.gif  sorry, can't stop imagining that MTV)
No problem about that.  smile.gif

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The more you get acquainted to him/her, the more you would eventually grow in love.
I've seen how butt ugly people gets the prettiest/most hansem mates. biggrin.gif
Its not how you look that matter. Its how well you carry yourself, and how sincere and gentle and sweet you are.

Look for a soul mate. Not a wife.  wink.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 03:57 AM)
To learn to love, is to start placing the priority of the other person above yours.
It will come a time when what you want isn't as important as what she wants.  smile.gif

Now thats selfless love. To commit, and to cherish. Without cease, with great perseverance.

Come, and make love to me, and I will teach you LOVE!
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i like all the words here..... wub.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 12:10 PM)
i like all the words here.....  wub.gif
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I do all the cooking with my mate around tongue.gif

her fav is fried fish with dark sos onion and ice blended coconut smoothie blush.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 12:51 PM)
I do all the cooking with my mate around  tongue.gif 

her fav is fried fish with dark sos onion and ice blended coconut smoothie  blush.gif
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does it related to the words you said?
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blended coconut smoothie  blush.gif
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I would like one please.

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I'm trying to keep you thread clean, n00b13.  sad.gif

My efforts weren't well appreciated.  laugh.gif
Why would I want to keep my thread clean? laugh.gif


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i like all the words here.....  wub.gif
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oh now u know h4e is lengchai u wanna tackle him laaaaaaaaaa
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 31 2009, 02:08 PM)
oh now u know h4e is lengchai u wanna tackle him laaaaaaaaaa
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didn't you see i'm saying "words"?

by the way, that picture is really him?
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didn't you see i'm saying "words"?

by the way, that picture is really him?
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i know you hamsap already blush.gif
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i know you hamsap already  blush.gif
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don't think too much

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debbie i want to hamsap you. cool2.gif
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debbie i want to hamsap you.  cool2.gif
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you don't come to me at the right time

we got no fate

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sorry

you don't come to me at the right time

we got no fate

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doesnt matter i can wait. just make sure that when its my turn....u still look the same as u do in that avatar of yours. in the compromising submissive posture...with or without the guitar...with or without the clothes....

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 31 2009, 02:48 PM)
doesnt matter i can wait. just make sure that when its my turn....u still look the same as u do in that avatar of yours. in the compromising submissive posture...with or without the guitar...with or without the clothes....
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send me your pictah for me to filter first
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 02:43 AM)
No problem. Thats what i have said, GROW in love, not fall in love.
Everything starts from building meaningful friendship first, getting to know each other. The attractiveness within will bloom like a flower, delicate and intimately... ("wat wat? in my butt"  tongue.gif  sorry, can't stop imagining that MTV)
No problem about that.  smile.gif

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The more you get acquainted to him/her, the more you would eventually grow in love.
I've seen how butt ugly people gets the prettiest/most hansem mates. biggrin.gif
Its not how you look that matter. Its how well you carry yourself, and how sincere and gentle and sweet you are.

Look for a soul mate. Not a wife.  wink.gif
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Firstly, exceptions will always exist:
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You can keep reminding yourself of exceptions if it makes you happy but at the end of the day they are exceptions and will never be the norm. You will rarely see a girl with options date a guy who is shorter and lighter than she is. You will rarely see a successful guy settling for a girl who isnt at least reasonably sexually attractive.



In the cases you mention: It's not love at first sight (ie. NOT mutual romantic attraction from day one). Rather, two people get to know each other...and slowly fall in love.

Not everyone can be choosy in the game of love.

These people tend to be in their late 20s as they start to consider those around them in their social circles.
That is the case with many many many people and is the real reason (i hypothesize) people are getting married later and later in modern times.

Btw, i've also said that before: Spend enough time, empathize and share experiences with someone reasonably compatible and you will fall in love eventually.

Also note that love simply wouldnt "grow" (using your word) if mutual romantic attraction doesnt develop...and romantic attraction is at the end of the day still based on sexual attraction. Girls want guys with good successful traits that succeed in life. Guys want fertile girls that could produce healthy, thriving kids. For the apple doesnt fall far from the tree...regardless if you like to admit it or not. Think of the ugly girl that has a charming personality, but guys only consider her a friend and not a lover. Think about the hapless loser that tries hard to be nice to girls, but only gets considered as a friend and not a lover.

Look at wedding pictures. Look at the bride. Get to know about the groom. What do you notice?

Look at people who are single and never dated into their 30s... what do you notice?

Dont lie to yourself.

Even in cases when there is no romantic interest at the start, the woman is almost always reasonably attractive (ie. if she were naked on a bed, any healthy young guy will do her), and the groom is able to provide with reasonable success in life.

I rest my case.

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^ And how does this relate to Noobie's article?
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sorry TS!

I was replying to happy4ever.
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 31 2009, 03:04 PM)
You can keep reminding yourself of exceptions if it makes you happy but at the end of the day they are exceptions and will never be the norm. You will rarely see a girl with options date a guy who is shorter and lighter than she is. You will rarely see a successful guy settling for a girl who isnt at least reasonably sexually attractive.
You're shallow.

You really are.

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 31 2009, 03:04 PM)
Look at wedding pictures. Look at the bride. Get to know about the groom. What do you notice?
I notice a wide variety of "reasonably sexually attractive" people, men and women. I see brides whom I do not find terribly attractive, even in their wedding best, yet their husbands are looking at them like they're the most beautiful women on earth.

That's the part you keep failing to understand, ezra.



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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 31 2009, 03:13 PM)
sorry TS!

I was replying to happy4ever.
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If I may suggest, this thread has become embroiled in discussing the validity of your own articles, only because you've shifted the focus from its original topic, to yours. O_O"

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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 03:27 PM)
If I may suggest, this thread has become embroiled in discussing the validity of your own articles, only because you've shifted the focus from its original topic, to yours. O_O"
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 31 2009, 03:23 PM)
You're shallow.
You really are.

I notice a wide variety of "reasonably sexually attractive" people, men and women. I see brides whom I do not find terribly attractive, even in their wedding best, yet their husbands are looking at them like they're the most beautiful women on earth.

That's the part you keep failing to understand, ezra.
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Yup. Most people in their reproductive years are sexually attractive by default. How sexually attractive they are is another question. Everyone wants the best that is available to them.


Average Jane's are plenty attractive btw.


Take a long hard look at the husbands of those women you mentioned: Do you think they had any opportunities to be with more attractive women? There may be some who are a bit more attractive in his social circles... but they are not culturally/emotionally/religiously compatible... or it could just be simple chemistry.


At the end of the day, many people simply will not have many choices in the game of love.



You can harp about the exceptions till the cows come home. It will not change basic human nature. Look at the girls you consider really pretty/hot/attractive. Hot girls can be really choosy in the game of love. Look at the guys beside them. I rest my case.



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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 02:36 PM)
don't think too much

if i wan hamsap you, i will tell you directly  smile.gif
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don't think too much

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This quote here is so awesome! laugh.gif notworthy.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Jesus dun like His children tell lie and being hypocrite
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 03:54 PM)
Jesus dun like His children tell lie and being hypocrite
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ROFLMAO!!!!

Even better!

XD
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 03:54 PM)
Jesus dun like His children tell lie and being hypocrite
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I'm thanking you in advance, on behalf of the guy you would be hamsaping in the future smile.gif

I wonder if i can sit next by and watch while eating pop corn?

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM wub.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 03:57 PM)
I'm thanking you in advance, on behalf of the guy you would be hamsaping in the future  smile.gif
From what I have observed, I don't think Debbie has much of a sex drive.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong though. brows.gif


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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 03:57 PM)
ROFLMAO!!!!

Even better!

XD
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okthxbai

QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 03:57 PM)
I'm thanking you in advance, on behalf of the guy you would be hamsaping in the future  smile.gif

I wonder if i can sit next by and watch while eating pop corn?

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM  wub.gif
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cannot

i wan make love with him on his bed or at outdoor eg beach or park but dun want let you see

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 31 2009, 04:00 PM)
From what I have observed, I don't think Debbie has much of a sex drive.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.  brows.gif
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yes, you are definitely wrong

i have strong sex drive in fact. Just i don't go for loveless sex

okthxbai
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 31 2009, 04:00 PM)
From what I have observed, I don't think Debbie has much of a sex drive.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.  brows.gif
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It has to be warmed up first. Thats when foreplay comes in. Men can get excited from sight alone. Woman, on the other hand, needs to slowly build up momentum. Thats why gentle body massage, kissing on the neck, lips, body, breasts, abdomen, pelvis, "Fatt choy", thighs, legs...etc... massaging, teasing, talking sweet nothings in her ear, stroking her hair, complimenting her good looks and body, slowly and slowly, make her wet, and when momentum picks up, there's no stopping the monster you have just unleashed. Be prepared to be dominated!!!! blush.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 04:10 PM)
It has to be warmed up first. Thats when foreplay comes in. Men can get excited from sight alone. Woman, on the other hand, needs to slowly build up momentum. Thats why gentle body massage, kissing on the neck, lips, body, breasts, abdomen, pelvis, "Fatt choy", thighs, legs...etc... massaging, teasing, talking sweet nothings in her ear, stroking her hair, complimenting her good looks and body, slowly and slowly, make her wet, and when momentum picks up, there's no stopping the monster you have just unleashed. Be prepared to be dominated!!!! blush.gif
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but for me, i don't buy
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This debbieyss is dangerous. She should take fencing lessons, she's a natural! laugh.gif
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what'd you mean by "natural"?

you mean i go for both female and gay?
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Which part is the "fatt choy"?


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what'd you mean by "natural"?

you mean i go for both female and gay?
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 04:23 PM)
???!!!!!

My brain short circuit  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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explain to me please.....don't put any hidden meaning in your words

what does it mean?
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 04:23 PM)
???!!!!!

My brain short circuit  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
Looks like she parried, got under your guard and disarmed you. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 04:15 PM)
but for me, i don't buy 
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Every woman is different. It is a mystery akin to a treasure hunt for the man to find out what makes a woman tick. Unraveling as he goes along, while the flower blooms and blossoms, bridging the two together in one flesh of intimate union, engulfing each other in heavenly excretion of love!


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Which part is the "fatt choy"?
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i ain't kidding
i really don't get what Dickson's mean.


p.s: just now i typed "d.i.c.k" it got automatically sensored and become d***

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 04:28 PM)
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OIC.

I've had some before.

Tasty.

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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 04:16 PM)
This debbieyss is dangerous. She should take fencing lessons, she's a natural! laugh.gif
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dickson, please explain your statement further to me please....
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Mr Poon, someone is after you for some "explanation".

Come on boy, be responsible to the girl sleep.gif


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OIC.

I've had some before.

Tasty.

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tastier during foreplay. brows.gif

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 05:05 PM)
tastier during foreplay.  brows.gif
Foreplay?

I treat it like the main event. laugh.gif


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it's interesting to read how one can structurally increases a better probability to start a relationship by offering a step-by-step series of action to take..

it does lend credence, i'd say.. but i wouldn't over analyze into it (akin to chess opening moves, a game of chess is squared in fixed dimensional board.. life isn't)

it does sound familiar noting the importance of communication on all the 5 steps.. should i be allow to stress further.. communication is the toughest part, perhaps because it's like an iceberg (what you can hear is only 10% of the gist.. what remains far more important, is the hidden 90% body languages)

it's not easy to master a favorable body language.. (conmen takes pride at mastering them for ill efforts)..

it's nice to read all the various parts leading to a successful beginning of a relationship.. alot of the points mentioned here are valid and solid because you view life from your distinct angle/pov..

kudos for the write up.. but let not those who failed following such steps be discouraged.. for life is a mysterious book.. perhaps you'll stumble upon the hidden 90% part someday?
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QUOTE(lwb @ Jul 31 2009, 05:30 PM)
it's interesting to read how one can structurally increases a better probability to start a relationship by offering a step-by-step series of action to take..

it does lend credence, i'd say.. but i wouldn't over analyze into it (akin to chess opening moves, a game of chess is squared in fixed dimensional board.. life isn't)

it does sound familiar noting the importance of communication on all the 5 steps.. should i be allow to stress further.. communication is the toughest part, perhaps because it's like an iceberg (what you can hear is only 10% of the gist.. what remains far more important, is the hidden 90% body languages)

it's not easy to master a favorable body language.. (conmen takes pride at mastering them for ill efforts)..

it's nice to read all the various parts leading to a successful beginning of a relationship.. alot of the points mentioned here are valid and solid because you view life from your distinct angle/pov..

kudos for the write up.. but let not those who failed following such steps be discouraged.. for life is a mysterious book.. perhaps you'll stumble upon the hidden 90% part someday?
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i think you're right.. besides knowing how to fap.. what else do you know?

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You're all over the place mate, and somehow I think you don't understand what was written.  blink.gif
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QUOTE(lwb @ Jul 31 2009, 06:16 PM)
i think you're right.. besides knowing how to fap.. what else do you know?
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You're a bunch of muff divers lol  laugh.gif
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^ got poon-digged eh?
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^ cheers man.. the point here is.. do you claim to understand "life"? if you so claimed that i've gone gibberish aka "everywhere" and not understanding what's going on..then where are you at, player? what's with the judgmental attitude? at least i'm aware of the real struggle people go through to be thankful for such assistance..

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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ Jul 31 2009, 06:13 PM)
You and your Fatt Choy ;p
You're a bunch of muff divers lol  laugh.gif
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"I'm doing fine, babeh. How you doing"

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I see what you did there  brows.gif
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QUOTE(lwb @ Jul 31 2009, 06:59 PM)
^ cheers man.. the point here is.. do you claim to understand "life"? if you so claimed that i've gone gibberish aka "everywhere" and not understanding what's going on..then where are you at, player? what's with the judgmental attitude? at least i'm aware of the real struggle people go through to be thankful for such assistance..
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Geez man, look, there's obviously a miscommunication here. I don't claim anything and I didn't say that you've typed gibberish. I had a hard time understanding what you were getting at - it didn't seem to make much sense to me but who knows I might just have had another brainfart (they are certainly common enough) - and I typed that out before thinking first. I don't mean anything personal, and I'm sorry for making it sound that way and being judgemental.

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Dickson Poon, how come you never reply my question?

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 07:43 PM)
Dickson Poon, how come you never reply my question?

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i want to know.....
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it's ok.. i'm sure it' must've felt good to fart around once in a while.. i'm cool to be collateral damage here biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 07:24 PM)
Geez man, look, there's obviously a miscommunication here. I don't claim anything and I didn't say that you've typed gibberish. I had a hard time understanding what you were getting at - it didn't seem to make much sense to me but who knows I might just have had another brainfart (they are certainly common enough) - and I typed that out before thinking first. I don't mean anything personal, and I'm sorry for making it sound that way and being judgemental.

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it's ok.. i'm sure it' must've felt good to fart around once in a while.. i'm cool to be collateral damage here biggrin.gif
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^ really.. no offence taken.. in fact, it's nice.. the spontaneous part of it
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i want to know.....
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I mean that your verbal fencing is like a grandmaster, very expert. laugh.gif

You possess the mental qualities so if you learnt real fencing or swordsmanship you would become a master (or mistress) laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 08:00 PM)
I mean that your verbal fencing is like a grandmaster, very expert. laugh.gif

You possess the mental qualities so if you learnt real fencing or swordsmanship you would become a master (or mistress) laugh.gif
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thanks for explainations

but i don't think it does align with my statement about my initaition and sex drive

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 08:08 PM)
thanks for explainations

but i don't think it does align with my statement about my initaition and sex drive

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waa.. somebody got vexed there
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i think you're right.. besides knowing how to fap.. what else do you know?
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he also knows how to make facial wash from the byproduct of his fap? unsure.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 08:08 PM)
thanks for explainations

but i don't think it does align with my statement about my initaition and sex drive

kthxbai
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how do you control your high sex drive?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 08:08 PM)
thanks for explainations

but i don't think it does align with my statement about my initaition and sex drive

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I was never commenting on your sexual habits or drive in the first place unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 08:43 PM)
I was never commenting on your sexual habits or drive in the first place  unsure.gif
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I was never commenting on your sexual habits or drive in the first place  unsure.gif
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he also knows how to make facial wash from the byproduct of his fap?  unsure.gif
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well, first off...would like to tell noob13 that he ain't such a noob after all in the relationship area...
don't let his name fool you by any chance...

one of the main reasons why people at least males find the need to confess was...probably due to media influence...well, fess it up people, you watch drama TV's...especially korean and HK drama movies...to be honest, if you really want a referencing point in how to court someone, i believe those movies at cinemas are much better to be utilized in comparison to HK and korean dramas...not that those don't have the techniques to it...but some of them are just over dramatic and...it's just plain silly to carry that out in real life...(i'm not saying that people should not learn techniques from TV/cinemas, but well...some of it are just plain misleading...but somehow seems most promising to carry out at "that" point in time)

i still won't call myself a pro at...courting women...and seriously...starting a conversation out from nowhere (in public) is just plain awkward to me...to me, finding a group to be in will make a proper conversation than popping openers at strangers...that's me, i'll let you guys say for yourself for opening up to strangers i guess

anyhow, i'll just say this...
in debbieyss view, i can see the view of her wanting a confession, and seriously...it's not wrong to do so...
she is one of those girls who probably would want a confession in order to start a relationship, but well...i really wonder how many confessions would you like to listen to before you are able to find a suitable partner?
or maybe you like to enjoy breaking people's heart?you little heartbreaker...tongue.gif

anyway, two views la i'll say,
if you found someone like debbieyss, yea, you can confess, and give her a little time to think about starting a relationship with you, and you may pass

or you play another way
if you found someone unlike debbieyss, do what noob say...you can at least know how to play your next move and is able to save a little face behind it

also, as for step 5...
asking for a female-male outing is not impossible without step 1-4
if you guys are friends, as in real friends...you are able to do that just fine...(and to be honest, you need to think really less on the relationship crossing area to be able to do so)

hope this helps~
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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Jul 31 2009, 10:24 PM)
one of the main reasons why people at least males find the need to confess was...probably due to media influence...well, fess it up people, you watch drama TV's...especially korean and HK drama movies...to be honest, if you really want a referencing point in how to court someone, i believe those movies at cinemas are much better to be utilized in comparison to HK and korean dramas...not that those don't have the techniques to it...but some of them are just over dramatic and...it's just plain silly to carry that out in real life...(i'm not saying that people should not learn techniques from TV/cinemas, but well...some of it are just plain misleading...but somehow seems most promising to carry out at "that" point in time)
I think Korean/Taiwanese/HK TV drama serials are mainly targeted at women; you don't find a lot of guys who watch them. Thus all the "confession" scenes in them are purely female fantasies. Hunky guys baring their souls and tearfully declaring their undying love is practically porn for women, designed to zap straight past their brains, pass the heart and lodge somewhere in the uterus.

Of course, fantasy and real life are polar opposites. Men have their fantasies from movies and TV too - countless gorgeous women who want to sleep with them at first sight. That's as likely to happen as a "confession" is likely to work on the average female. biggrin.gif


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I think Korean/Taiwanese/HK TV drama serials are mainly targeted at women; you don't find a lot of guys who watch them. Thus all the "confession" scenes in them are purely female fantasies. Hunky guys baring their souls and tearfully declaring their undying love is practically porn for women, designed to zap straight past their brains, pass the heart and lodge somewhere in the uterus.
Of course, fantasy and real life are polar opposites. Men have their fantasies from movies and TV too - countless gorgeous women who want to sleep with them at first sight. That's as likely to happen as a "confession" is likely to work on the average female.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 31 2009, 11:21 PM)
I think Korean/Taiwanese/HK TV drama serials are mainly targeted at women; you don't find a lot of guys who watch them. Thus all the "confession" scenes in them are purely female fantasies. Hunky guys baring their souls and tearfully declaring their undying love is practically porn for women, designed to zap straight past their brains, pass the heart and lodge somewhere in the uterus.

Of course, fantasy and real life are polar opposites. Men have their fantasies from movies and TV too - countless gorgeous women who want to sleep with them at first sight. That's as likely to happen as a "confession" is likely to work on the average female.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 31 2009, 11:36 PM)
LOL at the bolded parts!!!  laugh.gif
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very true...
normal guys won't ever do that in real life...
the risk of being rejected/humiliated is too much to handle.. blush.gif

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 31 2009, 08:09 PM)
Looks like it's still troubling you...but I guess that's pretty obvious to most people here.
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jul 31 2009, 08:35 PM)
how do you control your high sex drive?
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why are you concern about this?

You can't control your sex drive and that's why you are offering sex around?

Taking it as an execuse to release your sex drive?

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Jul 31 2009, 08:43 PM)
I was never commenting on your sexual habits or drive in the first place  unsure.gif
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can you please tell me more directly, please?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 31 2009, 11:41 PM)
why are you concern about this?

You can't control your sex drive and that's why you are offering sex around?

Taking it as an execuse to release your sex drive?
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Yea... i need to learn from you how you control.

I always have this insatiable appetite for Fatt Choy specials... even in guys. Mr poon tried his best to satisfy me, but to no avail sad.gif

how? how?
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 1 2009, 12:13 AM)
Yea... i need to learn from you how you control.

I always have this insatiable appetite for Fatt Choy specials... even in guys. Mr poon tried his best to satisfy me, but to no avail  sad.gif

how? how?
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Initially I really against your motive in making love around

I thought you're showing love to everyone via sex
I thought you genuinly make love to others
I thought you have multiple sex partners for the sake to love them better via sex

And now you're telling me that you are doing all these to fill your needs?
You're doing all these as an execuse to release your sexual needs?
What are those you're telling here previously? Selfless love???

I'm quite disappointed with you.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 1 2009, 12:20 AM)
Initially I really against your motive in making love around

I thought you're showing love to everyone via sex
I thought you genuinly make love to others
I thought you have multiple sex partners for the sake to love them better via sex

And now you're telling me that you are doing all these to fill your needs?
You're doing all these as an execuse to release your sexual needs?
What are those you're telling here previously? Selfless love???

I'm quite disappointed with you.
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Yea

I'm disappointed with my self too. I'm also confused of my sexual preference. I even had sex with most LYN members here. Mr Poon, silverhawk, teongpeng, etc. And occasionally some girls. I have thought of castration. Do you think it helps? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 1 2009, 01:10 AM)
Yea

I'm disappointed with my self too. I'm also confused of my sexual preference. I even had sex with most LYN members here. Mr Poon, silverhawk, teongpeng, etc. And occasionally some girls. I have thought of castration. Do you think it helps?  unsure.gif
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I believe castration is for guys only... but then you are a gender bender aren't you... whistling.gif



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QUOTE(Bishop @ Aug 1 2009, 01:22 AM)
I believe castration is for guys only... but then you are a gender bender aren't you... whistling.gif
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i wonder, clitoris can be cut off too? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Jul 31 2009, 11:40 PM)
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very true...
normal guys won't ever do that in real life...
the risk of being rejected/humiliated is too much to handle.. blush.gif
I'm not sure I explained my point well enough. Let me try again.

Movies and TV both cater to men's and women's sexual fantasies - but their fantasies are different. For men, the fantasy is of a hero whom every woman in the world wants to sleep with. The heroine, the villain's wife/girlfriend, the villain's daughter, the villain herself (if she's a woman), and any other waitress/maid/secretary/random passerby he encounters - they all want to throw themselves at him.

Women's fantasies involve men "confessing" their love to the heroine - which is just as appealing, but just as unrealistic as the men's fantasy.


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 1 2009, 12:20 AM)
Initially I really against your motive in making love around

I thought you're showing love to everyone via sex
I thought you genuinly make love to others
I thought you have multiple sex partners for the sake to love them better via sex

And now you're telling me that you are doing all these to fill your needs?
You're doing all these as an execuse to release your sexual needs?
What are those you're telling here previously? Selfless love???

I'm quite disappointed with you.
I'm beginning to wonder if Debbie isn't something of a high-functioning autistic.



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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 31 2009, 11:21 PM)
I think Korean/Taiwanese/HK TV drama serials are mainly targeted at women; you don't find a lot of guys who watch them. Thus all the "confession" scenes in them are purely female fantasies. Hunky guys baring their souls and tearfully declaring their undying love is practically porn for women, designed to zap straight past their brains, pass the heart and lodge somewhere in the uterus.
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In here lies a certain truth that men may not like to admit. Women are the drive of social force and change. What women generally want from society, women get. Women set the rules, women set the expectations, and many men follow suit. You can see the change in the last few decades quite clearly. Macho men were popular, then women wanted more sensitive men, and when we got that, women found them too sissy and want a change, and we're starting to see that change.

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i wonder, clitoris can be cut off too?  unsure.gif
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Wow, 18 pages. Talk about epic derailment. doh.gif

Movies are a horrible, horrible place to learn about how to appeal to the opposite sex. Music is equally as bad.

Just look at all the people posting in CC about their problems when reality does not sync with their media-brainwashed notions of romantic interaction, especially in making an approach and running a set.


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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 1 2009, 01:48 AM)
In here lies a certain truth that men may not like to admit. Women are the drive of social force and change. What women generally want from society, women get. Women set the rules, women set the expectations, and many men follow suit. You can see the change in the last few decades quite clearly. Macho men were popular, then women wanted more sensitive men, and when we got that, women found them too sissy and want a change, and we're starting to see that change.
I think that what is occurring and what has occurred is certainly a lot more complicated than that.

I personally have no trust or faith in where things are going.


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QUOTE(~LynX~ @ Aug 1 2009, 03:51 AM)
Wow, 18 pages. Talk about epic derailment. doh.gif

Movies are a horrible, horrible place to learn about how to appeal to the opposite sex. Music is equally as bad.

Just look at all the people posting in CC about their problems when reality does not sync with their media-brainwashed notions of romantic interaction, especially in making an approach and running a set.
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there are some good "role model" for movies out there which plays a really great PUA role including HK movies

i really dunno about korean dramas as i don't watch them, but yea, generalizing all movies are bad is...a little over generalization

the problem people mostly confuses the roles is that they are unable to separate the courting part and the bf/gf period from movies which probably makes things worse...
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 1 2009, 01:10 AM)
Yea

I'm disappointed with my self too. I'm also confused of my sexual preference. I even had sex with most LYN members here. Mr Poon, silverhawk, teongpeng, etc. And occasionally some girls. I have thought of castration. Do you think it helps?  unsure.gif
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Whatever.

As long as you're happy with it.

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 1 2009, 01:41 AM)
I'm beginning to wonder if Debbie isn't something of a high-functioning autistic.
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If I'm an autistic, then I don't know how should i name those different people I hang out with everyday.

Anyway...

My apology on my tone. It was too harsh to happy4ever, though his case isn't really matter with me.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 1 2009, 03:27 PM)
Whatever.

As long as you're happy with it.
If I'm an autistic, then I don't know how should i name those different people I hang out with everyday.

Anyway...

My apology on my tone. It was too harsh to happy4ever, though his case isn't really matter with me.
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The problem is, what makes you think there ever was any "case" with me? brows.gif

or you just got tarped? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 1 2009, 04:27 PM)
The problem is, what makes you think there ever was any "case" with me?  brows.gif

or you just got tarped?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 1 2009, 01:48 AM)
In here lies a certain truth that men may not like to admit. (Attractive) Women are the drive of social force and change. What (Attractive) women generally want from society, women get. (Attractive) Women set the rules, women set the expectations, and many men follow suit. You can see the change in the last few decades quite clearly. Macho men were popular, then women wanted more sensitive men, and when we got that, women found them too sissy and want a change, and we're starting to see that change.
yes, practised in some tribes in africa.
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^corrected.

To be fair, attractive men set the rules too! Women begrudgingly follow. There is a reason why so many "hot"/attractive guys are considered "jerks" yet women still flock to them.


Proven worldwide in peer-reviewed and replicated studies on psychology:

Women want sensitve men when they are not ovulating... They want masculine hunks when they are fertile. Go figure.
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 1 2009, 05:05 PM)
^corrected.

To be fair, attractive men set the rules too! Women begrudgingly follow. There is a reason why so many "hot"/attractive guys are considered "jerks" yet women still flock to them.
Proven worldwide in peer-reviewed and replicated studies on psychology:

Women want sensitve men when they are not ovulating... They want masculine hunks when they are fertile. Go figure.
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Tsk tsk tsk, your small mind reveals itself again. What I wrote has much further implications than just attraction. It spans to include education, nurturing, literature, media, etc. Think about it, who raised you as a kid? Who set your initial impressions for women? who taught you how to treat women first? Its more often than not, the mothers... which if it eludes your mind, are women.

Women also being more empathic than men, communicate a lot more. Their feelings, their expectations, their needs, their wants, their desires... this information gets spread within the female network. Hence how certain "standards" are achieved within a female community. You know the saying, "the fastest way to spread news is to tell a woman" smile.gif
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What you tell, I'll just listen.

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 1 2009, 05:29 PM)
Tsk tsk tsk, your small mind reveals itself again. What I wrote has much further implications than just attraction. It spans to include education, nurturing, literature, media, etc. Think about it, who raised you as a kid? Who set your initial impressions for women? who taught you how to treat women first? Its more often than not, the mothers... which if it eludes your mind, are women.

Women also being more empathic than men, communicate a lot more. Their feelings, their expectations, their needs, their wants, their desires... this information gets spread within the female network. Hence how certain "standards" are achieved within a female community. You know the saying, "the fastest way to spread news is to tell a woman" smile.gif
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WHAT THE FVCK does the rant above have anything to do with stuff I quoted?

Acknowledging reality is all i did.

Dont try to change the subject or bury it with irrelevant things.

Yes, women do have an instinct to nurture. Dont you ever try to imply that I dont believe so. And it has nothing to do with the realities around you that relate to dating and relationships ... especially to single women who have yet to commit to anyone. Women's motherly instinct tend to kick in when they are in a stable, committed relationship.

And still you have the gall to accuse me of having a "small mind". Look, ad hominems are ok used sparingly... but you are getting to a point where it starts to reflect badly on yourself.

To Other Readers:
If you ever want to know what a non-sequitur (logic doesnt follow), ad-hominem (flame/personal attack) is, read silver's reply to me.

What happened was:

1) Silverhawk said that women set the standards that guys strive to follow
2) Ezra said that attractive guys AND girls set the standards that society follows
3) Silverhawk rants about "initial impressions for women", and implies that Ezra has a "small mind", and then implies that Ezra doesnt know how to treat women ("who taught you how to treat women first").


like wtf. doh.gif

pathethic.


And just think about it: What does the phrase "Who set your initial impressions for women?" even mean? This delves into epistemology and is beyond what could possibly be relevant to this thread. And just so you know, i think the word 'for' should be replaced with 'towards' as the sentence as it is doesnt make sense.

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 1 2009, 06:43 PM)
wtf does the rant above have anything to do with stuff I quoted?

Acknowledging reality is all i did.

dont try to change the subject or bury it with irrelevant things like that.
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Ezra... not taking sides here but your perception of reality is very narrow and rather dogmatic. At least, that's my personal opinion on it. I could say why, but you would only become defensive and agitated, wouldn't you?

In all fairness you probably already understand things more than the average person your age and you're certainly on your way to understanding even more, but Silverhawk shows an understanding of nuance and a much wider scope, and it shows in his writings.

Maybe you shouldn't approach debates with him on an argumentative level?

Just a suggestion man.
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Honestly, I want to see this guy in real life one day. We would have an interesting talk.

It's easy to throw flames about online... But face to face, you'll see just how much credence he has in his words.


You can call my views dogmatic. I stand by what I said. You could also say that anyone who stands up for their views is dogmatic. Just because you agree with theirs and disagree with mine doesnt make their views any less dogmatic. Hence the argument of "dogma" that brings a negative connotation is simply irrelevant.
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P.S. - Its the same as the one on LYN

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I have a question tho. What if the girl insists on the guy to 'confess'?
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 1 2009, 06:59 PM)
Honestly, I want to see this guy in real life one day. We would have an interesting talk.

It's easy to throw flames about online... But face to face, you'll see just how much credence he has in his words.
You can call my views dogmatic. I stand by what I said. You could also say that anyone who stands up for their views is dogmatic. Just because you agree with theirs and disagree with mine doesnt make their views any less dogmatic. Hence the argument of "dogma" that brings a negative connotation is simply irrelevant.
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Nooo.... I could, but I don't.

I don't make that sort of judgement based merely on which point of views I agree or disagree with.
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WHAT THE FVCK does the rant above have anything to do with stuff I quoted?

Short answer: Everything

You "corrected" something which needed no correction. You YOURSELF went and include the attractive parts in what I wrote, when I wrote had nothing to do with attraction.

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Acknowledging reality is all i did.

Is attraction the only reality to you? Dude, open up your mind.

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Dont try to change the subject or bury it with irrelevant things.

doh.gif You're the one who tried to change the subject to attraction. Was it wrong for me to point out the mistake in comprehending what I was writing?

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Yes, women do have an instinct to nurture. Dont you ever try to imply that I dont believe so. And it has nothing to do with the realities around you that relate to dating and relationships ... especially to single women who have yet to commit to anyone. Women's motherly instinct tend to kick in when they are in a stable, committed relationship.

And still you have the gall to accuse me of having a "small mind". Look, ad hominems are ok used sparingly... but you are getting to a point where it starts to reflect badly on yourself.

Its not an ad hominem, its my opinion, based on observation. An ad hominem is only a logical fallacy IF and ONLY IF i'm using your credibility to discredit your argument. Did I do that? No. I have always pointed out the flaws in your thoughts.

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If you ever want to know what a non-sequitur (logic doesnt follow), ad-hominem (flame/personal attack) is, read silver's reply to me.

1) Silverhawk said that women set the standards that guys strive to follow
2) Ezra said that attractive guys AND girls set the standards that society follows
3) Silverhawk rants about "initial impressions for women", and implies that Ezra has a "small mind", and then implies that Ezra doesnt know how to treat women ("who taught you how to treat women first").
like wtf. doh.gif

pathethic.

;x doh.gif doh.gif

Lets go it 1 by 1

1) Do not put words in my mouth. I'll explain further later in this post
2) Once again, you forcing your reality on something I didn't even mention
3) Putting words in my mouth again.

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And just think about it: What does the phrase "Who set your initial impressions for women?" even mean? This delves into epistemology and is beyond what could possibly be relevant to this thread. And just so you know, i think the word 'for' should be replaced with 'towards' as the sentence as it is doesnt make sense.
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I was talking about society in general, not specifically to you and in no way did I imply any negativity to how you were raised. If you took it personally, its solely based on your misinterpretation and perception.

We were all mostly raised by our mothers, and such we're imprinted with their values, their influence is strong in us. They teach us how to treat women, they set our initial standards for women. Its quite simply how society works. This is how the general standards of what women want gets pushed into society. Hence, they are the social driving force.

Now tell me, where in that did I imply that you don't know how to treat women? Where did I imply ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU? I said you have a small mind because you can't see pass the attraction issue, and so far, you've done nothing but prove those words correct.

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 1 2009, 06:59 PM)
Honestly, I want to see this guy in real life one day. We would have an interesting talk.

It's easy to throw flames about online... But face to face, you'll see just how much credence he has in his words.

oooh what is that supposed to mean? laugh.gif

You think I use such words because I'm protected by online anonymity? I don't know about you, but I've met many of the LYN members before, and even had discussions with a few. My profile has my contact details, I go by the same online nickname everywhere, I don't hide mate. If you wanna meet me in person to have discussion by all means, I welcome it.

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You can call my views dogmatic. I stand by what I said. You could also say that anyone who stands up for their views is dogmatic. Just because you agree with theirs and disagree with mine doesnt make their views any less dogmatic. Hence the argument of "dogma" that brings a negative connotation is simply irrelevant.
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There is nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in. That is an admirable trait, what is unadimirable is having tunnel vision on what you believe reality to be. Effectively blinding you to a lot of things in life.

QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 1 2009, 07:10 PM)
I have a question tho. What if the girl insists on the guy to 'confess'?
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A confession is bound to happen, but if the girl wants you to confess, you should know it... and by then you've already sealed the deal. Its a bit like a marriage proposal. You don't do it unless you're 99.99% sure she'll say yes laugh.gif
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Whateverla. I leave it to readers to decide.

Reality is not tunnel vision. It is seeing the truth in the world around us, and knowing that exceptions exist.

Acknowledging norms of society (while noting that exceptions exist) is not "tunnel vision".

I hold that harping on exceptions, without acknowledging or downplaying the norms of society, is "tunnel vision".

There are winners and losers in the game of life. Some get good jobs. Some get bad ones. Some get good partners. Some get bad partners. And as with everything, there is a grey area between the good and bad. Nobody is black or white (figuratively, not referring to race).


I contend that acknowleging the cruel realities of the world let's us make real changes to our lives that make us better people... both in career and the game of love.

You may disagree. I respect that. I stand by what I say.

Arguing about who is right is pointless. At the end of the day, believe whatever makes you happy.

You know deep down inside if you have been successful in life or not.



-peace out-

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Whateverla. I leave it to readers to decide.

Reality is not tunnel vision. It is seeing the truth in the world around us, and knowing that exceptions exist.

Acknowledging norms of society (while noting that exceptions exist) is not "tunnel vision".

Harping on exceptions, without acknowledging or downplaying the norms of society, is "tunnel vision".

At the end of the day, believe whatever makes you happy. YOU know if what you speak of is truth.
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Suit yourself mate. You don't even have the guts to admit you misread what I said.

Btw, exceptions only exists when your rule is too general and thus unfit to describe its observations. If others have a different view which can encompass your reality WITH the exceptions, then it only shows that your "rule" is weak. Think about that for a moment.
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There is nothing to admit or deny. The readers will be the judge of this.

Believe whatever makes you happy. Life will be the judge of what you speak of. You know where you stand in the game of love. You know where you stand in the game of life. Now dont be a complete nerdy/no-life/fvcktard and confuse opinions with 'rules' or 'generalizations' because that would apply to almost everyone on this forum.

I will not argue over semantics. I have never claimed to make any 'rules'. Call it a rule or generalization or whatever damn words you want. I stand by what I said: I acknowledge the norms of society and the exceptions that exist within it.



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I'm quite at a lost for words. You "corrected" something you obviously misunderstood, got pissed when you perceived a personal assault when none was intended, then throw the responsibility to the readers? blink.gif

The readers have nothing to do with this, nor does their opinion on the subject, matter. It just me, trying to get you to understand things better. If you can't, then, so be it. Who people think is right/wrong doesn't matter.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 1 2009, 08:14 PM)
I'm quite at a lost for words. You "corrected" something you obviously misunderstood, got pissed when you perceived a personal assault when none was intended, then throw the responsibility to the readers? blink.gif

The readers have nothing to do with this, nor does their opinion on the subject, matter. It just me, trying to get you to understand things better. If you can't, then, so be it. Who people think is right/wrong doesn't matter.
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Dont you dare try to put yourself on a pedestal.
I've ignored alot of the flames you've used in my threads.

This is a public forum. You attempt to discredit my views. I attempt to get readers to re-read and think about who is right and wrong.

If you believe you are right, fine.THe readers have a brain and can decide for themselves.


I stand by what I say:

1) Social norms exist with exceptions. eg. A girl will rarely date a guy who is both significantly shorter and lighter than she is.
2) The existance of exceptions does not disprove the social norm.
3) Acknowledging realities and social norms while also acknowledging that exceptions exist is inline with the truth (reality).
4) People who harp on the exceptions are the ones who are "narrow minded".



QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 1 2009, 08:14 PM)
The readers have nothing to do with this, nor does their opinion on the subject, matter. It just me, trying to get you to understand things better. If you can't, then, so be it. Who people think is right/wrong doesn't matter.
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oh but they do. You are attempting to discredit my views by using ad hominems. All the pointless accusations of me having a "small mind" etc.

To other readers: This guy thinks that other people's opinion doesnt matter. It does. If not, then why the hell is he getting so worked up over what I said. Gosh he's such an idiot (yeah, calling him an idiot is an ad hominem).

I've said it a few times: we clearly have different views. There is no point arguing further. Delving into semantics is pointless.

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Having a different opinion AND having a better opinion. smile.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 1 2009, 07:41 PM)
A confession is bound to happen, but if the girl wants you to confess, you should know it... and by then you've already sealed the deal. Its a bit like a marriage proposal. You don't do it unless you're 99.99% sure she'll say yes laugh.gif
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Aha! I see. Now I get it. tongue.gif

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 1 2009, 08:36 PM)

I stand by what I say:

1) [B]Social norms exist with exceptions. eg. A girl will rarely date a guy who is both significantly shorter and lighter than she is.
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talking abt dogma ..

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Dont you dare try to put yourself on a pedestal.

I'm not, you were the one who some how thought I said you don't know how to treat women. Tell me, where did THAT come from?

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laugh.gif I haven't even started flaming you, don't tempt me tongue.gif

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This is a public forum. You attempt to discredit my views. I attempt to get readers to re-read and think about who is right and wrong.

They will always have their own opinions, what you don't realise, is that in my posts to you, it doesn't matter. You want to be thought of as "right", I don't care about that. I just want to help you understand more things, but hey if you want to close your mind to that, its entirely your choice, and its my choice as well to point out to people that might agree with you, that there's a much bigger picture that you're missing.

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1) Social norms exist with exceptions. eg. A girl will rarely date a guy who is both significantly shorter and lighter than she is.
2) The existance of exceptions does not disprove the social norm.

Not saying it doesn't disprove the social norm, but the social norm isn't everything. There's a bigger and deeper picture you just can't seem to grasp. Oh well, perhaps that level of thought isn't reachable by you yet.

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3) Acknowledging realities and social norms while also acknowledging that exceptions exist is inline with the truth (reality).

Your reality is "warped'

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4) People who harp on the exceptions are the ones who are "narrow minded".

No, they're people who can see the bigger picture. I've told you many times that you're not entirely wrong, but you're not entire right either. Your "exceptions" do not exist to me, because from my point of view, everything can be explained using the same theory. Your theories have exceptions. Your data set is minimal, and your theory doesn't work on a larger dataset, you hand wave it away saying that those are exceptions rather than admitting your theory is weak and trying to improve it to include the larger data set.

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oh but they do. You are attempting to discredit my views by using ad hominems. All the pointless accusations of me having a "small mind" etc.

FFS, please understand what ad hominem is doh.gif Saying you have a small mind isn't an ad hominem. Never once did I say you shouldn't be listened to because you have a small mind. If you don't show a proper understanding of mathematics in a discussion of mathematics, I can immediately say your small mind can't grasp the more abstract mathematical concepts, and IT WONT BE AN AD HOMINEM. I've xplained time and time again the problems with your reasoning.

If you want to use logical fallacies, at least learn to use it properly.

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To other readers: This guy thinks that other people's opinion doesnt matter. It does. If not, then why the hell is he getting so worked up over what I said. Gosh he's such an idiot (yeah, calling him an idiot is an ad hominem).

You write here to gain some sort of validation from other people. I write here to help people, and helping you is also why I'm posting, which is why I point out the flaws in the way you think. Also, it seems you're getting a lot more worked up about what I say to you, than the other way around laugh.gif

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I've said it a few times: we clearly have different views. There is no point arguing further. Delving into semantics is pointless.
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Right, no point discussing because we have different views. Stick to your own then, and forever be closed to the opinions of others. rolleyes.gif
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No, they're people who can see the bigger picture. I've told you many times that you're not entirely wrong, but you're not entire right either. Your "exceptions" do not exist to me, because from my point of view, everything can be explained using the same theory. Your theories have exceptions. Your data set is minimal, and your theory doesn't work on a larger dataset, you hand wave it away saying that those are exceptions rather than admitting your theory is weak and trying to improve it to include the larger data set.
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Silverhawk, you bl00dy wanker. First you talk about people making "rules". Now you're talking about "datasets". Like wtf. Get a life. Get out of your room.

My theory works on every scenario i have come across. Exceptions are rare, but do exist.

Example:

My Theory On A Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg) than she is.

1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her.
2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.


I acknowledge #1 while also acknowledging #2. I place the appropriate amount of emphasis on both.

you place pretty much all your emphasis on #2, and everytime I mention #1 and #2, you criticize me for mentioning #1, claiming that im narrow minded etc.



RE: Ad hominems.
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Ezra, you're so personally invested in wanting your pet theories to be absolutely correct, infallible, and the be all and end all of all social and dating theories.

It's ironic that you're asking Silverhawk to get a life, because you've probably spent more time THINKING and REFINING your theories than he has. Silverhawk speaks from experience and a mind fortunate enough to have been broadened by observing the full spectrum of human behavior. This is something you do not have.
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Added on August 2, 2009, 3:59 pmI dont really mind if my theories are challenged.

But this guy is not challenging them. He is simply ranting about how it is wrong to place adequate emphasis on social norms (with all that talk about "datasets" OMG) and then throwing wild accusations towards me (like I dont notice there are exceptions), discrediting my theories in the process.



#0) One of Ezra's Theories On Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) than she is.
#1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her. Do you find #0 true in your reality?
#2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.

Silverhawk: Do you agree, in a simple YES or NO, to the statements above?
#0 YES/NO
#1 YES/NO
#2 YES/NO

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Dickson. PM sent.


Added on August 2, 2009, 3:59 pmI dont really mind if my theories are challenged.

But this guy is not challenging them. He is simply ranting about how it is wrong to place adequate emphasis on social norms (with all that talk about "datasets" OMG) and then throwing wild accusations towards me (like I dont notice there are exceptions), discrediting my theories in the process.
#0) One of Ezra's Theories On Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) than she is.
#1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her. Do you find #0 true in [b]your reality?[/B]
#2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.

Silverhawk: Do you agree, in a simple YES or NO, to the statements above?
#0 YES/NO
#1 YES/NO
#2 YES/NO
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Dude have you seen the link on my signature? The one that says "Pls support handsome guy to be your lover icon_question.gif "

Omg you wouldn't believe the number of girls who said NO THEY WOULDN'T choose a handsome guy to be their lover in that thread.

Wtf! I feel like I'm living in a twilight zone or something. Maybe this is just Malaysia, that the only people who feel free enough to act on their natural desires are gays.

Either that or I look very perverted in real life too. rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 2 2009, 04:45 PM)
Dude have you seen the link on my signature? The one that says "Pls support handsome guy to be your lover  icon_question.gif "

Omg you wouldn't believe the number of girls who said NO THEY WOULDN'T choose a handsome guy to be their lover in that thread.

Wtf! I feel like I'm living in a twilight zone or something. Maybe this is just Malaysia, that the only people who feel free enough to act on their natural desires are gays.

Either that or I look very perverted in real life too.  rclxub.gif
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Lmao. laugh.gif

Girls aren't that shallow when it boils down to choosing their soulmate. I mean attraction on the looks does matter, but it's not the main thing IMHO. At least decent looking then good enough lah~
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I have seen a lot of shorter males going out with girls.

Physical attraction isn't a priority to girls as opposed to males. Man are easily excited based on sight, while woman are a whole different world altogether. From sight, sound, touch, communication, career etc.

Even making a woman get excited is an entire different ball game. In fact, women prefers less handsome males or those with shorter manhoods to make love with, because these males will not think so highly of themselves, and be good servant when their female masters spreads her legs. Handsome males will be so full of themselves, and always end up satisfying himself first...which puts the woman off.


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 2 2009, 05:03 PM)
I have seen a lot of shorter males going out with girls.

Physical attraction isn't a priority to girls as opposed to males. Man are easily excited based on sight, while woman are a whole different world altogether. From sight, sound, touch, communication, career etc.

Even making a woman get excited is an entire different ball game. In fact, women prefers less handsome males or those with shorter manhoods to make love with, because these males will not think so highly of themselves, and be good servant when their female masters spreads her legs. Handsome males will be so full of themselves, and always end up satisfying himself first...which puts the woman off.
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Strangely, me too. smile.gif
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er, just imo,
ezra, you are still very physically involved in your theories, in comparison to silvy, which is having a bigger picture out there

not that physical attractiveness doesn't count, but in reality, it's just a bonus point for guys if they have them while for girls is what a guy would look for


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 2 2009, 05:03 PM)
I have seen a lot of shorter males going out with girls.

Physical attraction isn't a priority to girls as opposed to males. Man are easily excited based on sight, while woman are a whole different world altogether. From sight, sound, touch, communication, career etc.

Even making a woman get excited is an entire different ball game. In fact, women prefers less handsome males or those with shorter manhoods to make love with, because these males will not think so highly of themselves, and be good servant when their female masters spreads her legs. Handsome males will be so full of themselves, and always end up satisfying himself first...which puts the woman off.
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For the record:

1) I was giving an example.
2) My theory doesnt place that much emphasis on PHYSICAL attractiveness at all. (see my latest thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954)
3) I was referring to guys who are BOTH significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) in my example.


I have dated a girl 2cm taller than myself. Note the word *significantly*

again, exception does not disprove the norm.


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Lmao. laugh.gif

Girls aren't that shallow when it boils down to choosing their soulmate. I mean attraction on the looks does matter, but it's not the main thing IMHO. At least decent looking then good enough lah~

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That's exactly what im saying: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954



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eerr.. i think you can easily compensate that with a samy-veloo's hairstyle.
how about half a foot and above?

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 2 2009, 05:57 PM)
For the record:

1) I was giving an example.
2) My theory doesnt place that much emphasis on PHYSICAL attractiveness at all. (see my latest thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954)
3) I was referring to guys who are BOTH significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) in my example.
I have dated a girl 2cm taller than myself. Note the word *significantly*

again, exception does not disprove the norm.


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That's exactly what im saying: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 2 2009, 04:45 PM)
Dude have you seen the link on my signature? The one that says "Pls support handsome guy to be your lover  icon_question.gif "

Omg you wouldn't believe the number of girls who said NO THEY WOULDN'T choose a handsome guy to be their lover in that thread.

Wtf! I feel like I'm living in a twilight zone or something. Maybe this is just Malaysia, that the only people who feel free enough to act on their natural desires are gays.

Either that or I look very perverted in real life too.  rclxub.gif
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Handsome guys do attract me at the very first glimpse but afterall, I will go for guys with decent personality and financial capability.
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Silverhawk, you bl00dy wanker.

I have to wank, unlike you I produce too much healthy semen! laugh.gif

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First you talk about people making "rules". Now you're talking about "datasets". Like wtf. Get a life. Get out of your room.

You cannot make any sort of conclusions without any sort of data. Now, tell me, what is wrong with such a statement?

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My theory works on every scenario i have come across. Exceptions are rare, but do exist.

Still harping on the same thing, totally missing the point.

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My Theory On A Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg) than she is.

I've seen plenty, and being a shorty myself, I know what I've succeeded in wink.gif

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1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her.

I've seen fugly guys next to her as well as seeing good looking guys. Your point exactly?

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2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.

Ahh herein lies the difference eh? While you see someone not attractive together with an attractive person you think of it as an "exception". I however see it that the couple sees something attractive in each other. Whether its ugly couples, pretty couples or pretty/ugly couples, its the same, both sides find something attractive in each other.

The other problem is that while you may look at a guy and think he's not attractive, you do not know him and furthermore, you are not a woman so you're judging the guy by skewed standards.

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you place pretty much all your emphasis on #2, and everytime I mention #1 and #2, you criticize me for mentioning #1, claiming that im narrow minded etc.

Yes, because if you have to mention #1, it shows you don't really understand attraction. You got one part right, but still have a lot to learn.

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To Other Readers:
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I leave it to you to decide smile.gif
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Appealing to the majority? laugh.gif Don't have the balls to stand up for yourself?

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 2 2009, 03:53 PM)
#0) One of Ezra's Theories On Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) than she is.
#1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her. Do you find #0 true in your reality?
#2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.

Silverhawk: Do you agree, in a simple YES or NO, to the statements above?
#0 YES/NO
#1 YES/NO
#2 YES/NO
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I will not answer your questions because those are loaded questions. It will need to me to agree to your view of reality, and narrow scope of attraction. Both which I do not agree with.

Nice try though smile.gif
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financial capability can be deceiving.. what lies on the surface may not equate to the true picture..

not if you're referring to certain observable traits.. (even my very own dad do not know how i'm doing financially.. and i don't know if i should give him a little pop someday)

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Yes, the surface may not equate to the true picture. But the lie won't stay long.
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Yes, the surface may not equate to the true picture. But the lie won't stay long.
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Gotta take into account attitude as well. A person can have and make a lot of money, but if they have habits or do not know how to use it to generate more money, it'll disappear anyway laugh.gif
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i'm not referring to an intended lie..

if i re-read your sentence correctly.. i believe you stressed on the 'capability' rather than the superficial props..

observing from others in the past.. alot of such capabilities are very subtle and nonchalant to a passing eye.. it's very much an internal thing, mostly practiced quietly..
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lwb, what are you trying to say?
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should i be allowed to interject.. i think financial capability can covers beyond the scope of a high salary.
you correctly pointed out that there're 'habits' that may be red/green flags..

beyond that habits.. there's this thing called value-perception..
it can be a constant friction if both couples have totally contrasting value-perceptions..

QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 2 2009, 06:44 PM)
Gotta take into account attitude as well. A person can have and make a lot of money, but if they have habits or do not know how to use it to generate more money, it'll disappear anyway laugh.gif
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Yes, because if you have to mention #1, it shows you don't really understand attraction. You got one part right, but still have a lot to learn.

I will not answer your questions because those are loaded questions. It will need to me to agree to your view of reality, and narrow scope of attraction. Both which I do not agree with.

Nice try though smile.gif
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I mentioned very clearly that it was only an example of ONE OF THE THEORIES you dumbfvck.

Dont try and pin me down like you always do.


To other readers: Physical attraction is only part of the picture. Mental and emotional health are equally important, and of course security (eg. financial). Read my thread here - http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954 I believe I place appropriate emphasis on physical attraction. It's up to you to decide - have a read of the thread and give me a shout!



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#0) One of Ezra's Theories On Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) than she is.
#1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her. Do you find #0 true in your reality?
#2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.

Silverhawk: Do you agree, in a simple YES or NO, to the statements above?
#0 YES/NO
#1 YES/NO
#2 YES/NO


Silverhawk, can i assume that your answer to those very simple questions is "NO"?

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ezralim to handsomeness is what bernard7 is to $

both also blur case.
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saying from experience, debbieyss.. some people generate money beyond a paycheck.. able to see what's important, not to oneself on the current time frame.. but beyond (e.g child education, retirement, etc).

simply to put it.. i would be able to discern good financial capability from knowing a person's value perception.. what's his/her value/priority (salary is just a minor factor)


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ezralim to handsomeness is what bernard7 is to $

both also blur case.
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hmm, who is bernard7?
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weiii i tell you la.....looks for guys when it comes to attracting women is not true at all la.......

I used to have lots of gangster friends with really hot chicks....they ARE the norm...not the exception.

and i also see alot of guys with talent, but no looks that gets the bestest chicks. I also see rich guys with no looks getting the chicks, and also guys with the most confidence...they too get the hottest chicks. really wan la weiiiii

Tall, short, skinny, fat....all these makes ZERO importance if you got talent, charisma, confidence, funny, witty, smart etc

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weiii i tell you la.....looks for guys when it comes to attracting women is not true at all la.......

I used to have lots of gangster friends with really hot chicks....they ARE the norm...not the exception.

and i also see alot of guys with talent, but no looks that gets the bestest chicks. I also see rich guys with no looks getting the chicks, and also guys with the most confidence...they too get the hottest chicks. really wan la weiiiii
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I agree. Looks arent that important if you are a guy, but physical attributes still do play a role.
Note the word *SIGNIFICANT* in the example I gave.


Physical attraction is definitely part of the picture...but there are other equally important things as well. Read my thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954


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Tall, short, skinny, fat....all these makes ZERO importance if you got talent, charisma, confidence, funny, witty, smart etc
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Totally.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954

Healthy body. Healthy mind. Healthy emotions. Lots of friends.



1) Look at the people you find to be charismatic/confident.
2) Look at the people you find to be dull and boring and shy.


What do they have in common?



Healthy mind/emotions/social life are all important for a man to thrive in life and build up his charisma.

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I agree. Looks arent that important if you are a guy, but physical attributes still do play a role.
Note the word *SIGNIFICANT* in the example I gave.
Physical attraction is definitely part of the picture...but there are other equally important things as well. Read my thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954
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physical attributes? unless you are talking about extremely bad or extremely good, really makes no difference when it comes to attracting a girl. Talents, attitude, fun, funny, money, position, etc etc These are more important than pure looks by a long mile. its truela....go do a real survey and see
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 2 2009, 06:56 PM)
I mentioned very clearly that it was only an example of ONE OF THE THEORIES you dumbfvck.
Dont try and pin me down like you always do.

Whatever man, your writing speaks for itself. Just like you said in another topic, true self confidence can't be faked, the same is true with the understanding of attraction. While you mention other theories, and exceptions, and try to sugarcoat what you say by saying u place appropriate emphasis on physical attraction. I see all that as simply a smoke screen to make your writings more palatable to the public.

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 2 2009, 07:01 PM)
hmm, who is bernard7?
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He's a forumer here that is incredibly bitter about women being materialistic and truly believes that women only look for money in men. A firm believer of the "ada wang ada amoi" philosophy laugh.gif
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btw, what's the benchmark of a "good chick"? i'm not certain if you guys have only one yardstick..

i've once gone out with a very attractive lady.. all i can say was, i was a miserable failure at it, as i realized that she has too much distractions and i can hardly converse with her beyond superficiality.. it's as though there's a thick titanium wall.. shielding her inner sanctum..



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One who doesn't have the possitive and agressive drive of life, any value or priority of monetary sense is useless to me.

And the only thing to prove if he is really mature in terms of personality and attitude is his career and financial status.

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okay....

how bout this, i do the 1 & 2 thing, skip 3 & 4, n suddenly i ask her out and she agree...
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positive outlook is a good attribute..

aggressiveness is something i find iffy to pin down.. well, yes.. it certainly helps at building up one's carrier (assertiveness as well)..

being highly paid in one's career tends to exposed that aggressiveness to a less favorable light.. burn-outs, exhaustion, ill-reproached from competitors, etc..

my old boss once said to me "you're highly paid" and 2 seconds later, i was under the microscope! *lol* it was my first bitter exposure to consequences that aggressiveness had led me.. (btw, this is strictly my own take, ok? you may not experience the same)

i admire those leaders who are able to show an inner strength and the amount of 'quiet assertiveness' that can withstand the elements in life rather than blatantly being aggressive.. (i was once a bad superior myself, able to squeeze water out of rock.. i find such aggressiveness is more harm than good)..

financial status is very delusional.. both guy stand side by side.. one looks a million(but owns a penny).. while the other looks a penny(but owns a million).. this intrigues me alot.


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Whatever man, your writing speaks for itself. Just like you said in another topic, true self confidence can't be faked, the same is true with the understanding of attraction. While you mention other theories, and exceptions, and try to sugarcoat what you say by saying u place appropriate emphasis on physical attraction. I see all that as simply a smoke screen to make your writings more palatable to the public.
He's a forumer here that is incredibly bitter about women being materialistic and truly believes that women only look for money in men. A firm believer of the "ada wang ada amoi" philosophy laugh.gif
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just to jerk your memory, you were the one who accused me of trying to belittle people.

Do you know what it means to sugar coat something? Or to gloss over reality?

Below is a definition of "sugarcoat"
http://www.answers.com/topic/sugarcoat

I have sugar coated nothing. In fact, I have been pretty point blank (straightforward) and I do see how some people may be hurt although I do try to be as politically correct as possible.

I have not been "glossing over reality". If I did that, nobody would have been "put down" or "belittled"

I realize that the game of love is competitive. There will be winners and losers.

I stand by everything that I say. Essentially in one simple sentence:

Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women.

I believe in placing APPROPRIATE emphasis on all aspects mentioned above.

To other readers: Please see my thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954


^silver: see the amount of emphasis i placed on each subheading in my thread. Im sure I didnt place too much emphasis on physical attributes.

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 2 2009, 09:30 PM)
I have sugar coated nothing. In fact, I have been pretty point blank (straightforward) and I do see how some people may be hurt although I do try to be as politically correct as possible.

I have not been "glossing over reality". If I did that, nobody would have been "put down" or "belittled"

I realize that the game of love is competitive. There will be winners and losers.

I stand by everything that I say. Essentially in one simple sentence:

Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women.
Weiiiiii...what la dude....

Nobody is getting put down or belittled la...rather ppl are getting put off. Why? because your thread and the things u said really dont apply to them and what they see mah...and if u look at the amount of ppl who dont agree with you in here...they are no longer the exceptions liau...they are the majority di! It is only you that keep saying must be politically correct or what...then sommore say u are being direct. what la dude......
People who are direct dont even need to bother with being politically correct la. And i think people actually appreciate that kinda 'directness' better.

you trying to hard la weiiii....really wan... icon_rolleyes.gif

People who are hurt by the truth dont really mind getting hurt wan..like that only can grow ma....but when ppl not hurt but u say they are hurt, like that means u 'belittle' them liau. u say like they so teruk like that..and u act like you so terrer like that, can hurt ppl...
Be humble ma...its not how much u know its how much you care.

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People who are hurt by the truth dont really mind getting hurt wan..like that only can grow ma....but when ppl not hurt but u say they are hurt, like that means u 'belittle' them liau. u say like they so teruk like that..and u act like you so terrer like that, can hurt ppl...
Be humble ma...its not how much u know its how much you care.
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"belittle"


...says the gay fvck who calls other guys "sweetie" rolleyes.gif
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"belittle"
...says the gay fvck who calls other guys "sweetie" rolleyes.gif
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i thought you're a little girl...u know...u post and argue like one.... wink.gif
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I think you guys are going "off topic" already.
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aiyoo.. why kopi peng rike to galohh one?
deflate the pride a little won't hurt gua..?
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aiyoo.. why kopi peng rike to galohh one?
deflate the pride a little won't hurt gua..?
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syok ma.....so serious for what....later become like ezra... doh.gif
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eh.. i also serious one.

I flame people also.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 2 2009, 11:59 PM)
eh.. i also serious one.

I flame people also.
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atleast u can flame ppl....ezra kena flame by people....different level debbie...
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you're not afraid that suddenly ezra verbal 'peng' you kao kao ah?

QUOTE(teongpeng @ Aug 2 2009, 11:55 PM)
syok ma.....so serious for what....later become like ezra...  doh.gif
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atleast u can flame ppl....ezra kena flame by people....different level debbie...
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Ok to avoid turning this wonderful thread into a chat session, i shall cease to post any more tonight. Its not cool to hijack someone else's thread to discuss about something else.....im not like someone *looks at ezra* shakehead.gif
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good night then.
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you sure sounds like someone who got alot of bad blood.. couple with small gas.. sounds like you have a wenkel engine there!! rclxms.gif

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Ok to avoid turning this wonderful thread into a chat session, i shall cease to post any more tonight. Its not cool to hijack someone else's thread to discuss about something else.....im not like someone *looks at ezra*  shakehead.gif
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you sure sounds like someone who got alot of bad blood.. couple with small gas.. sounds like you have a wenkel engine there!!  rclxms.gif
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And you sound like someone who lack common sense, couple with need for attention....to have to keep spamming unworthy attempt to troll me into a flame war (which i'll probably cream you) which i'll hve to politely decline. dont spoil the thread dude.


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Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women.

Yes sherlock, and having 2 healthy legs makes it easier to walk. Exactly what is the value in that statement? What if your legs are unhealthy, or you're handicapped somehow, how do you deal with it? How do you make yourself better within your limitations? What is it that drives these people to success despite their handicap?

Whether its about career, love, relationships, health etc. The same basic drive exists in everyone that is successful. You look at unattractive couplings, and you think "exceptions". I look at it, and I see the same inner quality that exists in successful people. To me its not an exception, because I perceive things at a different level.

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 3 2009, 12:29 AM)
Yes sherlock, and having 2 healthy legs makes it easier to walk. Exactly what is the value in that statement? What if your legs are unhealthy, or you're handicapped somehow, how do you deal with it? How do you make yourself better within your limitations? What is it that drives these people to success despite their handicap?

Whether its about career, love, relationships, health etc. The same basic drive exists in everyone that is successful. You look at unattractive couplings, and you think "exceptions". I look at it, and I see the same inner quality that exists in successful people. To me its not an exception, because I perceive things at a different level.

I've said time and time again, you're not wrong but you're not right either.
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Ezra here is the realist who perceives that "reality" is as it is, with NOTHING beneath the surface.

Silverhawk is the opposite, who perceives that "reality" is MORE than meets the eye.

Now, since these two are humans, like most people, they will usually imply moderation to their views since it is human nature to be distracted by these two extremes of "realism".

So where are we going with this?

Wherever you'll be as soon as you finish reading this.
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Yes sherlock, and having 2 healthy legs makes it easier to walk. Exactly what is the value in that statement? What if your legs are unhealthy, or you're handicapped somehow, how do you deal with it? How do you make yourself better within your limitations? What is it that drives these people to success despite their handicap?

Whether its about career, love, relationships, health etc. The same basic drive exists in everyone that is successful. You look at unattractive couplings, and you think "exceptions". I look at it, and I see the same inner quality that exists in successful people. To me its not an exception, because I perceive things at a different level.

I've said time and time again, you're not wrong but you're not right either.
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Wow, first datasets, now you bring what you call "handicapped" people into the conversation.

There is no stopping the silverhawk!


What you are talking about does not contradict my statement:


Ezra Sez: Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women

Silver Sez: What if your legs are unhealthy, or you're handicapped somehow, how do you deal with it? How do you make yourself better within your limitations? What is it that drives these people to success despite their handicap?

YOU DISCRIMINATORY SON OF A B1TCH. You calling a person with one leg "handicapped"? I dont agree to labelling people like that.

MY STATEMENT APPLIES TO ALL GUYS, even if you dont have a leg, or if you are blind... or if you have one eyebrow.

Note the use of the word *any* in my statement.


Added on August 3, 2009, 10:22 amEvery guy should work to be in the best physical, mental and emotional state possible. Awesome FTW! rclxms.gif

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it is getting off topic with you guys arguing.. sign0006.gif

hawk never said you were wrong or right so why feel so bitter about it? He dented your ego? grumble.gif sweat.gif

anyway, i'll stick with hawk's views nod.gif

and good write-up noob13 thumbup.gif

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actually i dont mind ppl arguing .. at first i taught it will be a good discussion but ezra started to have those bad words sleep.gif.... good post wasted wink.gif
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IMHO, Hawk is being far kinder to ezra than he deserves. doh.gif


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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 3 2009, 10:20 AM)
Wow, first datasets, now you bring what you call "handicapped" people into the conversation.

There is no stopping the silverhawk!
What you are talking about does not contradict my statement:
Ezra Sez: Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women

Silver Sez: What if your legs are unhealthy, or you're handicapped somehow, how do you deal with it? How do you make yourself better within your limitations? What is it that drives these people to success despite their handicap?

YOU DISCRIMINATORY SON OF A B1TCH. You calling a person with one leg "handicapped"? I dont agree to labelling people like that.

MY STATEMENT APPLIES TO ALL GUYS, even if you dont have a leg, or if you are blind... or if you have one eyebrow.

Note the use of the word *any* in my statement.


Added on August 3, 2009, 10:22 amEvery guy should work to be in the best physical, mental and emotional state possible. Awesome FTW! rclxms.gif
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Err, *waves* lookie here.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


How is handicapped being discriminatory? unsure.gif

Seriously the figurative speech of ezra seems to be getting out of hand.

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Err, *waves* lookie here.

The word handicapped is best reserved to describe a disabled person who is unable to function owing to some property of the environment. Thus people with a physical disability requiring a

...

How is handicapped being discriminatory?  unsure.gif

Seriously the figurative speech of ezra seems to be getting out of hand.

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Silver was suggesting that having one leg made a person "handicapped" in the game of love.

I dont believe so. Even according to your definition:
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Thus people with a physical disability requiring a wheelchair may or may not be handicapped, depending on whether wheelchair ramps are made available to them. See Usage Note at disabled.


In any case, lacking in any physical attributes cannot be used as an excuse for failing in the game of love. True, some physical attributes (like a lost leg / height / bone size) cannot be changed....but it doesnt meant that a person with a lost leg shouldnt take good care of himself. Sure he cant run a marathon, but he should still exercise and eat well.

Healthy body + Healthy mind + Healthy emotional state = Makes a man...any man... more attractive to women.

I'm just quite disgusted that Silver had to bring in people with "one leg" into the conversation...and label them handicapped. It's not for him to judge!

You can have one eye, no eyebrows, and a single wooden leg. It is no excuse for not trying to stay in shape and be in good mental and emotional health.

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Go for gold! Be Awesome.


The disabled runner may not be able to compete with the able bodied, but he still strives to win within his league.


EVERYONE has flaws. Some people have physical inadequacies (ie. one leg.). Some people have mental flaws (ie. are stupid). Some people have psychiatric flaws (ie. OCD). In a practical, real world dating scenario, (im just using this as an EXAMPLE ok....) a person with any flaw should not go around ignoring the impact his flaw has on his dating life. The person should instead realize it for what it is and take steps to better himself, potentially overshadowing the flaw in the process.


The guy with one leg born to a poor family. Eeks out a living. Recognizes his disability for what it is and then takes realistic steps to overcome it (ie. getting a prosthesis, joining societies etc) starts a business, and becomes successful in life. He thrives on a challenge. Girls will notice his confidence...that he is a winner in life...from the moment he opens his mouth.



Be The Best You Can Be! rclxms.gif

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btw, what's the benchmark of a "good chick"? i'm not certain if you guys have only one yardstick..

i've once gone out with a very attractive lady.. all i can say was, i was a miserable failure at it, as i realized that she has too much distractions and i can hardly converse with her beyond superficiality.. it's as though there's a thick titanium wall.. shielding her inner sanctum..
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Hey man, I agree with you completely! Attractive women are more often than not... boring. I don't know what's the deal with that, it's as though they don't know how to look good AND enjoy life or something. And yes, they are busy shield that 'inner sanctum' of theirs because they're "scared" of getting hurt or they're waiting for the 'perfect guy' or whatever. And when the 'perfect guy' comes along, they throw away that thick wall. Like WTF? That's worse than prostitutes.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 2 2009, 07:57 PM)
One who doesn't have the possitive and agressive drive of life, any value or priority of monetary sense is useless to me.

And the only thing to prove if he is really mature in terms of personality and attitude is his career and financial status.
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Well. Since you put it that way, are you're ok if a guy were to say "a girl who doesn't have an appreciation for beauty and the pleasures of life and have no self control over her eating habits is useless to me"?

And that "the only way to prove she's 'all that' is to demonstrate her worth instead of interrogating me about my career or financial standing, and subsequently marriage". This would be equality, no?



btw, ezra and hawkie... aren't you guys arguing about the two different things? One is the consequence of feminism, and the other is the survival of the fittest. Apples and oranges dudes.

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One who doesn't have the possitive and agressive drive of life, any value or priority of monetary sense is useless to me.

And the only thing to prove if he is really mature in terms of personality and attitude is his career and financial status.
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Well said. I agree completely thumbup.gif



The positive and aggresive drive of life, along with the personality, career and financial status to back it up.

Definitely teh WINRAR.

I strive towards that.
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I don't think her emphasis is on the "positive attitude and passion" because if that is the case, she'd be going after painters. The deal breaker will be the financial status.
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I don't think her emphasis is on the "positive attitude and passion" because if that is the case, she'd be going after painters. The deal breaker will be the financial status.
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i ever interested in a guy with RM2000 salary. Because of his independence and maturity in problem-solving skills.

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Wow, first datasets, now you bring what you call "handicapped" people into the conversation.

There is no stopping the silverhawk!
What you are talking about does not contradict my statement:
Ezra Sez: Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women

Silver Sez: What if your legs are unhealthy, or you're handicapped somehow, how do you deal with it? How do you make yourself better within your limitations? What is it that drives these people to success despite their handicap?

YOU DISCRIMINATORY SON OF A B1TCH. You calling a person with one leg "handicapped"? I dont agree to labelling people like that.

MY STATEMENT APPLIES TO ALL GUYS, even if you dont have a leg, or if you are blind... or if you have one eyebrow.

Note the use of the word *any* in my statement.
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You're the perfect exhibit for EPIC FAIL. I'll show you why in a moment.

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 3 2009, 12:16 PM)
Silver was suggesting that having one leg made a person "handicapped" in the game of love.
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Thank you for once again proving just how narrow minded you are.

Do metaphors totally elude you? I compared your "points" to walking legs, and used "one legged handicap" as a metaphor for any perceived weakness a person could have. All your criterias for attractiveness are highly subjective and many of us here who have a wide experience with social interactions can tell you that none of those criterias truly matter.

Smoking, drinking (alcohol, clarifying it with you cause I'm starting to doubt your intelligence) are unhealthy. By your definition these people by default are less attractive to others, and those who don't (normally goody goody guys) are by default, more attractive. Yet who are the ones getting the girls? You can see a hot chick with a fat guy, and a good looking buff guy sitting sadly all alone at a bar. What does that tell you? Exceptions?

Your exceptions only exists because you do not wish to acknowledge that you're missing something. You can talk about all these points, but in fact, I don't believe you truly understand anything about attraction. Whatever you understand, is simply on the surface level, shallow. You don't have that inner strength that successful people have, which is why you require so much validation from others. You can't bloody validate yourself.

You just can't admit that you're mistaken. Your "theories" are incomplete, you write not to help others, but to validate your own theories because of how your life has been affected by it. It shows in your writing and how you constantly try to garner support from others, appealing to the readership instead of your own rationality. Even that is laughable cause in this topic alone, how many people have you seen supporting what you say? How many have been saying I've been too nice to you? You appealed to the readership, so what are they saying? Or are you blind to that too because it'll hurt your fragile ego?

You wrote the face the truth series. I actually liked that at first, but the more you wrote, the more obvious it became you have a very skewed perspective. So I think its apt for you to also face the truth, that you don't know much about attraction as you think you do.

QUOTE(spanker @ Aug 3 2009, 12:18 PM)
btw, ezra and hawkie... aren't you guys arguing about the two different things? One is the consequence of feminism, and the other is the survival of the fittest. Apples and oranges dudes.
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Which is what I'm trying to get into his thick skull. Its so damn thick, it doesn't have much space for a brain any more. I talked about how women are a social driving force, and the only thing he thinks about is love & attraction doh.gif Any attempts to try get him to understand that have failed and basically that's how it got derailed.

I nicely asked him to admit he misunderstood what I wrote, but he was adamant on sticking to his view points. Typical behaviour of a narrow minded person.
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i ever interested in a guy with RM2000 salary. Because of his independence and maturity in problem-solving skills.
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Ahh... but you see... you are already implying that RM2000 is a low figure, and indirectly putting pressure on the relationship. If maturity in problem-solving is the main criterion, why assess the salary? Doesn't that also reflect on your level of maturity?
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Ahh... but you see... you are already implying that RM2000 is a low figure, and indirectly putting pressure on the relationship. If maturity in problem-solving is the main criterion, why assess the salary? Doesn't that also reflect on your level of maturity?
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Oh...

It's because someone keeps saying figure of salary is the criteria a gal choose her bf. But I'm emphasizing that salary figure is not the end of the world, it is in fact the person's possitive and agressive drive of life that brings him who he is today.

If you've the possitive and agressive drive of life, you will find a way to improve and build up your career, you'll never let your salary stay at RM2000 forever.
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Oh...

It's because someone keeps saying figure of salary is the criteria a gal choose her bf. But I'm emphasizing that salary figure is not the end of the world, it is in fact the person's possitive and agressive drive of life that brings him who he is today.

If you've the possitive and agressive drive of life, you will find a way to improve and build up your career, you'll never let your salary stay at RM2000 forever.
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And in the meantime, you should also motivate him to move forward, while you also improve on your salary, instead of becoming a leeching wife in the future.
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why pin on the salary alone? do you realize that being financially successful does not solely rest on salary alone?

my tax amount is in 5-figure.. it aches me whenever i hear misappropriation of public funds (worst still, if it's corruption), being highly paid attracts alot of cost..

i like to see it this way.. i'm fine if i can someday pare down my salary to rm2k but have an investment that continues to rake in the bulk of my income.. almost tax free(or nominally taxed)

i think you'll look down on me for that paltry rm2k salary.. for you won't be able to see that 4-5 figure income generating investment that are usually shielded from gold diggers (i don't imply you as one.. but to be financially endowed, one learns to be alert towards scheme/scams/tramps)
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Ya, salary figure is not the issue i'm mentioning about.

It's jus the outcome of one's being positive driven life.

RM2000 salary is not a big deal. One who has the heart to improve to do better, will find a way out eg. save up some money for small investment etc....

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You're the perfect exhibit for EPIC FAIL. I'll show you why in a moment.
Thank you for once again proving just how narrow minded you are.

Do metaphors totally elude you? I compared your "points" to walking legs, and used "one legged handicap" as a metaphor for any perceived weakness a person could have. All your criterias for attractiveness are highly subjective and many of us here who have a wide experience with social interactions can tell you that none of those criterias truly matter.

Smoking, drinking (alcohol, clarifying it with you cause I'm starting to doubt your intelligence) are unhealthy. By your definition these people by default are less attractive to others, and those who don't (normally goody goody guys) are by default, more attractive. Yet who are the ones getting the girls? You can see a hot chick with a fat guy, and a good looking buff guy sitting sadly all alone at a bar. What does that tell you? Exceptions?

Your exceptions only exists because you do not wish to acknowledge that you're missing something. You can talk about all these points, but in fact, I don't believe you truly understand anything about attraction. Whatever you understand, is simply on the surface level, shallow. You don't have that inner strength that successful people have, which is why you require so much validation from others. You can't bloody validate yourself.

You just can't admit that you're mistaken. Your "theories" are incomplete, you write not to help others, but to validate your own theories because of how your life has been affected by it. It shows in your writing and how you constantly try to garner support from others, appealing to the readership instead of your own rationality. Even that is laughable cause in this topic alone, how many people have you seen supporting what you say? How many have been saying I've been too nice to you? You appealed to the readership, so what are they saying? Or are you blind to that too because it'll hurt your fragile ego?

You wrote the face the truth series. I actually liked that at first, but the more you wrote, the more obvious it became you have a very skewed perspective. So I think its apt for you to also face the truth, that you don't know much about attraction as you think you do.
Which is what I'm trying to get into his thick skull. Its so damn thick, it doesn't have much space for a brain any more. I talked about how women are a social driving force, and the only thing he thinks about is love & attraction doh.gif Any attempts to try get him to understand that have failed and basically that's how it got derailed.

I nicely asked him to admit he misunderstood what I wrote, but he was adamant on sticking to his view points. Typical behaviour of a narrow minded person.
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waa.. ah peng, afternoon start "uphappy hour" oledi ah?
how was lunch?
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waa.. ah peng, afternoon start "uphappy hour" oledi ah?
how was lunch?
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 3 2009, 01:20 PM)
Smoking, drinking (alcohol, clarifying it with you cause I'm starting to doubt your intelligence) are unhealthy. By your definition these people by default are less attractive to others, and those who don't (normally goody goody guys) are by default, more attractive. Yet who are the ones getting the girls? You can see a hot chick with a fat guy, and a good looking buff guy sitting sadly all alone at a bar. What does that tell you? Exceptions?
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hahaha, you can declare what you want. Readers have a brain.

First you talk about datasets, then it was the handicapped, now it's about smoking and drinking. sweat.gif
Just to set the record straight, I have not mentioned anything about smoking and drinking...yet.

To pour fuel on the fire, I am going to say now, categorically that:

SMOKING (addicted) and DRINKING (alcohol, to excess.) makes a person less desirable to the opposite sex. This applies to both guys and girls. Because:

1) There are many girls who simply will not date guys who smoke.
2) Drinking can screw you up pretty easily. Not only brain cells die, but you become less masculine/feminine as it fvcks up your body chemistry as well.
3) There are some people who prefer partners who smoke/drink, but they are the exception not the norm.


Given a choice between A and B, with all other factors being the same, a great majority of people would choose the one that does not smoke/drink.

Of course, people only have that many choices in the game of love...We have to live with our partner's flaws. Some people have one leg, some people smoke, some people drink, some people compulsively wank (lol), and some people are stupid. NOBODY is perfect.


You can say what you like... that is my opinion.


To pour more fuel on the fire:


I probably wont mind if I am going out with a sizzling hot girl...who smokes. smile.gif

What im trying to say is that NOBODY is perfect. We all tolerate each others flaws...so long as attractiveness can overcome those flaws.

So work to be the best you can be!

Be in the best physical, mental and emotional health possible.

Awesome.FTW! cool2.gif

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good choice man..
maybe you gf wanna try the;

"look burger.. look your face.. look burger... then look your face again.. give smirky grin and chomp on the burger instead" maneuver?

you must have good genes there..
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how come now this topic talk about salary liao? sweat.gif
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maybe that's the director's cut.. 6th way?
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I am focusing instead on the debates....

As for the salary thingy, its another debate within
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 3 2009, 01:50 PM)
Oh...

It's because someone keeps saying figure of salary is the criteria a gal choose her bf. But I'm emphasizing that salary figure is not the end of the world, it is in fact the person's possitive and agressive drive of life that brings him who he is today.

If you've the possitive and agressive drive of life, you will find a way to improve and build up your career, you'll never let your salary stay at RM2000 forever.
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Still, I can't help but see you as being fixated by the "positive and agressive drive" so that you can reap the reward of having a bf with high salary in the future.
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while you guys can talk/argue/debate all day.. just don't forget the fun/learning experience which is a necessity part of life..

it's a journey.. not some dogma/creed/doctrine/etc.. it's a journey that will benefit our maturity in the long run
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QUOTE(spanker @ Aug 3 2009, 03:11 PM)
Still, I can't help but see you as being fixated by the "positive and agressive drive" so that you can reap the reward of having a bf with high salary in the future.
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Exactly.

I admire guys who are possitive-driven and ambitious.
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QUOTE(lwb @ Aug 3 2009, 03:13 PM)
while you guys can talk/argue/debate all day.. just don't forget the fun/learning experience which is a necessity part of life..

it's a journey.. not some dogma/creed/doctrine/etc.. it's a journey that will benefit our maturity in the long run

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no. he make 5 figure income. i jeles.

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kamsiah.. kamsiah notworthy.gif

it would also be helpful to allay the tension off the poor guy in his approach at getting the attention of the opposite sex.. is to encourage mistakes.. our society have this punitive view about making mistakes, which can be a hindrance to building up courage and creativity.

it's practically alright to make mistakes.. in fact, you will make one in the process and recalling that mistakes ten years later.. it's sweet-silly-willy (even a nice fermented kahlua can't beat that)


Added on August 3, 2009, 3:34 pmbf/gf with high income boh euong eh.. spouse(aka husband/wife) with high income baru kin-kin sui ne *lol*

QUOTE(spanker @ Aug 3 2009, 03:11 PM)
Still, I can't help but see you as being fixated by the "positive and agressive drive" so that you can reap the reward of having a bf with high salary in the future.
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People have been saying that ezra's and hawk's debate has driven this thread off-topic. It's not off-topic, actually - because what ezra is saying is the exact opposite of what my original post is about.

I wrote about those 5 ways as a better alternative to "confessing" your feelings for a girl, and one reason why they're better is that they are active. Ezra, your philosophy is entirely passive - you're all about what girls like. Girls don't like this, girls only like that, girls will be attracted to you if you're this, girls won't give you the time of day if you're that. By your theory, if I meet a beautiful lady who's taller than me and weighs more than me, I have zero chance with her?

Bullshit.

And maybe you'll try to weasel out with your "there are always exceptions" spiel. Well, bullshit to that too. Anyone with any decent amount of life experience can see that these are not exceptions, because your vaunted standards of attractiveness are pretty much meaningless. And now you're talking about drinking and smoking? I know of at least a dozen guys, all of whom drink and smoke, all of whom are married to beautiful, loving wives.

You know why those guys are married to those women? Because they tackled them. They saw a girl they liked, they went out and pursued them, and they did it the right way. They definitely didn't wait for her to give the green light before they went go. What you're basically saying is that dating and romance and love are entirely controlled by girls, which is... man, where do I start. It's naive. It's lazy. It's cowardly. It's insensitive. And it is, utterly, incredibly, stupidly wrong.

You said before that you're 23 years old. I hate to judge you based on your age, but I have to say you're a little kid, ezra. You seem to be speaking from the very small world of boys and girls your own age, fresh out of college (if not still studying), little experience in the working world, and still full of the ideals and naiveties of that age. And you definitely are not qualified to be dispensing "advice".


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Oh my gawd.....

Pssst ezra...u hurt? shall i call medic? nvm u can pay me back the cost of phone call when the doctors certified you are not dead. If permanent injury then u still have to return my rm0.50 la...because that one got insurance cover...
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 3 2009, 02:39 PM)
hahaha, you can declare what you want. Readers have a brain.

Indeed they do, they do not seem to be siding you in this topic in case you didn't notice.

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First you talk about datasets, then it was the handicapped, now it's about smoking and drinking. sweat.gif

You can't respond to it, so you just to ridicule it off? Smooth move ezra... only if you're talking to little kids. You wanna put forth arguments with us, you have to step up your game.

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Given a choice between A and B, with all other factors being the same, a great majority of people would choose the one that does not smoke/drink.

No. They'll choose those with an inner quality that none of the above criterias have an bearing on.

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What im trying to say is that NOBODY is perfect. We all tolerate each others flaws...so long as attractiveness can overcome those flaws.

True, but the attractiveness is nothing you've mentioned. Noob13 has eloquently pointed it out to you.

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So work to be the best you can be!

Be in the best physical, mental and emotional health possible.

For your ownself, not because its things girls want. Get it?

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Awesome.FTW!  cool2.gif
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What the heck are you, a power ranger that needs to scream a catch phrase every time? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Aug 3 2009, 06:14 PM)
Oh my gawd.....

Pssst ezra...u hurt? shall i call medic? nvm u can pay me back the cost of phone call when the doctors certified you are not dead. If permanent injury then u still have to return my rm0.50 la...because that one got insurance cover...
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 3 2009, 09:00 PM)
For your ownself, not because its things girls want. Get it?
What the heck are you, a power ranger that needs to scream a catch phrase every time? laugh.gif
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+1 for both of the sentence above laugh.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 3 2009, 09:00 PM)
Indeed they do, they do not seem to be siding you in this topic in case you didn't notice.
You can't respond to it, so you just to ridicule it off? Smooth move ezra... only if you're talking to little kids. You wanna put forth arguments with us, you have to step up your game.
No. They'll choose those with an inner quality that none of the above criterias have an bearing on.
True, but the attractiveness is nothing you've mentioned. Noob13 has eloquently pointed it out to you.
For your ownself, not because its things girls want. Get it?
What the heck are you, a power ranger that needs to scream a catch phrase every time? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 3 2009, 03:54 PM)
People have been saying that ezra's and hawk's debate has driven this thread off-topic. It's not off-topic, actually - because what ezra is saying is the exact opposite of what my original post is about. I wrote about those 5 ways as a better alternative to "confessing" your feelings for a girl, and one reason why they're better is that they are active. Ezra, your philosophy is entirely passive - you're all about what girls like. Girls don't like this, girls only like that, girls will be attracted to you if you're this, girls won't give you the time of day if you're that.
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Passive my a$$.
1) Wait for girl to show interest (sublime eye contact, body posture)
2) Reciprocate when the girl starts talking to you.
3) Empathize, empathize, empathize.
4) Go out with her!!

IMO, it's all about devoting your thoughts and mental efforts into getting to know the girl as a human being. It is NOT passive. After initial contact, it's up to you to arrange dates etc. Build rapport. Take the lead. THe ball is at your feet.

If you never had girls (whom you find reasonably attractive) show this kind of interest towards you, you may have misunderstood what I'm talking about.

You did bring up a good point though. I will update my thread appropriately.

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 3 2009, 03:54 PM)
By your theory, if I meet a beautiful lady who's taller than me and weighs more than me, I have zero chance with her?
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I never said zero. I said almost zero* if she is SIGNIFICANTLY taller and heavier than you. Note the word significantly. You know where you stand in the game of love. Im sure you with all your "experience" have tried to approach girls significantly taller and heavier than you.

*Does not apply in age of desperation (late 20's-mid 30s.)

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 3 2009, 03:54 PM)
And maybe you'll try to weasel out with your "there are always exceptions" spiel. Well, bullshit to that too. Anyone with any decent amount of life experience can see that these are not exceptions, because your vaunted standards of attractiveness are pretty much meaningless. And now you're talking about drinking and smoking? I know of at least a dozen guys, all of whom drink and smoke, all of whom are married to beautiful, loving wives. You know why those guys are married to those women? Because they tackled them. They saw a girl they liked, they went out and pursued them, and they did it the right way. They definitely didn't wait for her to give the green light before they went go. What you're basically saying is that dating and romance and love are entirely controlled by girls, which is... man, where do I start. It's naive. It's lazy. It's cowardly. It's insensitive. And it is, utterly, incredibly, stupidly wrong.
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YOU STUPID A$$.

NOBODY ever said that a guy who smokes cannot get married.

I was simply saying that generally, SMOKING makes a man, any man, less attractive to girls.

As i also mentioned like three times, EVERYONE has flaws... NOBODY is perfect. We all tolerate flaws in our partners (both platonic and romantic) to a certain degree.

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 3 2009, 03:54 PM)
You said before that you're 23 years old. I hate to judge you based on your age, but I have to say you're a little kid, ezra. You seem to be speaking from the very small world of boys and girls your own age, fresh out of college (if not still studying), little experience in the working world, and still full of the ideals and naiveties of that age. And you definitely are not qualified to be dispensing "advice".
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Ok, I shall clarify. I am 23. I am currently not committed to anyone, and I am actively trying to up my game. I am sharing on this forum what I am certain works (for me at least). There are winners and losers in the game of love, and I intend to be one of the winners. To do so, means recognizing truth and taking active steps to be the absolute best that I can with what I have.

I am dead sure that if I were to start smoking, I will be less attractive to girls. You can argue this till the cows come home - I stand by EVERYTHING that I said - Healthy mind, healthy body, healthy emotional state.

You want to talk about experience? Add me on facebook. Search for Ezra Limm. I've already been contacted by a few other forumers.... and all I can say is that there is a lot of naivity around. The people who harp on exceptions are the ones who pin their hopes on them ;-)

Ultimately, they know where they stand in the game of love... and life will be the judge of the words they speak.


You wanna keep trying to date the girl one foot taller, and 5kg heavier than you? Fine. Nobody is stopping your active approach. But my bet is that it's not going to work unless you have compensated for it by being really really awesome in other aspects of life - being successful in career is one of them.

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Thats strange. I have never ever see a man get rejected because he smokes before. If anything smoking has always been a +1. Ofcoz its only AFTER u got into a relationship do the girls try to make you quit.

But honestly, if 2 guys are similar in everything and one smoke and one doesnt, both go after the same girl...my bet would be on the smoker to 'win' .
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Hmm, well, every girl I have ever spoken to prefers guys who dont smoke. Given two guys who are exactly the same (eg. twins at a nightclub), one who smokes, the other doesnt... A girl will choose the non-smoker - unless she was a smoker herself.

I dont know the situation in Malaysia atm, but over here smoking has become pretty taboo...and very few girls smoke - especially the vane pretty ones tongue.gif


Added on August 4, 2009, 8:12 amI prefer a girl who doesnt smoke too.

But if an attractive girl starts showing interest in me, I wouldnt mind even if she smoked.


Im sure the same thing is happening to girls. If an attractive guy starts showing interest in a girl, she probably wouldnt mind even if he smoked....unless she had other equally or more attractive guys who didnt smoke also show interest in her.

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Smoking gives one an edgy bad boy feel to it. It also gives the women folks a chance to 'correct' you. chicks dig those sort of weaknesses in a man. It also tells them this guy is a non-nerd - that this guy has a fun rebellious nature to him. That means he is less serious, less tense. Less boring 'rules' that he follows.


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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 08:07 AM)
Hmm, well, every girl I have ever spoken to prefers guys who dont smoke. Given two guys who are exactly the same (eg. twins at a nightclub), one who smokes, the other doesnt... A girl will choose the non-smoker - unless she was a smoker herself.

I dont know the situation in Malaysia atm, but over here smoking has become pretty taboo...and very few girls smoke - especially the vane pretty ones tongue.gif


Added on August 4, 2009, 8:12 amI prefer a girl who doesnt smoke too.

But if an attractive girl starts showing interest in me, I wouldnt mind even if she smoked.
Im sure the same thing is happening to girls. If an attractive guy starts showing interest in a girl, she probably wouldnt mind even if he smoked....unless she had other equally or more attractive guys who didnt smoke also show interest in her.
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Here in malaysia, guys who smokes and guys who doesn't have equal chances. alot of my smoking friends are married too.

See, your perspective is proven to be limited to what you observed within your scope of friends.


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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Aug 4 2009, 08:13 AM)
Smoking gives one an edgy bad boy feel to it. It also gives the women folks a chance to 'correct' you. chicks dig those sort of weaknesses in a man. It also tells them this guy is a non-nerd - that this guy has a fun rebellious nature to him. That means he is less serious, less tense. Less boring 'rules' that he follows.
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Girls like smoked sosejes? brows.gif

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 4 2009, 08:17 AM)
doh.gif

Here in malaysia, guys who smokes and guys who doesn't have equal chances. alot of my smoking friends are married too.

See, your perspective is proven to be limited to what you observed within your scope of boring stuck up friends.

Added on August 4, 2009, 8:27 amnow im not saying everyguy should smoke....smoking is bad for health. but if u must be a non-smoker, do it for health reasons....

....not because it will improve your chances with a girl. because that assumption is false, unless u are one of ezra's friends.

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 07:50 AM)
Passive my a$$.
1) Wait for girl to show interest (sublime eye contact, body posture)
QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 07:50 AM)
I never said zero. I said almost zero* if she is SIGNIFICANTLY taller and heavier than you.
QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 07:50 AM)
NOBODY ever said that a guy who smokes cannot get married.

I was simply saying that generally, SMOKING makes a man, any man, less attractive to girls.
You don't even know when you're contradicting yourself, do you?

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 07:50 AM)
If you never had girls (whom you find reasonably attractive) show this kind of interest towards you, you may have misunderstood what I'm talking about.
I have, actually. But if you've never had the balls to approach a gorgeous girl, then you'll probably develop these wrong-headed theories to justify your own ball-lessness and seek validation for them on an anonymous web forum.

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here though, i would like to correct teongpeng and happy4ever for a while

well, in malaysia, i am pretty aware of the people around me, girls and guys especially if i pop them the question, would you like a smoker to be your potential spouse, i would get the majority answer as a no

maybe it's your group of friends you are mixing with, that is why you get a different response or see a different point of view that your smoking friends are married

well, also, you need to bear in mind that society is changing towards a non-smoking seeking spouse behavior, as i remember from a survey conducted by thestar previously, many stated no for their answer (of course, those whom are married already will be living in a different time phase comparing to the non-married ones)

in short,
if its just a direct question, without any extra personal variables, of course smoking is a less attractive trait to have, unless you are somebody in the other person's eyes

ask any person (that you don't know) from their early mid 20's who ain't married and see your results from the answer...of course, given the fact that if they are a smoker then most likely they would not mind as well
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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Aug 4 2009, 02:18 PM)
here though, i would like to correct teongpeng and happy4ever for a while

well, in malaysia, i am pretty aware of the people around me, girls and guys especially if i pop them the question, would you like a smoker to be your potential spouse, i would get the majority answer as a no

maybe it's your group of friends you are mixing with, that is why you get a different response or see a different point of view that your smoking friends are married

well, also, you need to bear in mind that society is changing towards a non-smoking seeking spouse behavior, as i remember from a survey conducted by thestar previously, many stated no for their answer (of course, those whom are married already will be living in a different time phase comparing to the non-married ones)

in short,
if its just a direct question, without any extra personal variables, of course smoking is a less attractive trait to have, unless you are somebody in the other person's eyes

ask any person (that you don't know) from their early mid 20's who ain't married and see your results from the answer...of course, given the fact that if they are a smoker then most likely they would not mind as well
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i have a wide variety of friends from nerds to ahbengs. i never had them in any instance tell me that they got rejected because they smoke. I've also not had any girls tell me they reject someone because they smoke.

Only small ppl make a big fuss over it.

However i would like to point out, smoking is bad for you. Bad for your health. But when it comes to girls, its seldom ever the reason for being rejected.

those nerdy judgemantal friends of yours only tell you they will reject because its the obvious thing to do for a goodygoody person, but when the real situation occur, like when they are approached by an attractive guy who smokes, they will throw all their inhibitions to the wind..."aiya just grab first...can try to make him quit later"

Asking such questions in the first place is stupid....its like asking would u like to have a virgin husband/wife....everybody wants one but who really give a shit in actual cirscumstances. i've never seen anyone got rejected for being a non virgin either. Safe for some extremely religiuous types. But even then....they just say only...

Oh another example...if u ask english ed girls if they'll date chinese ed guys...most of them flatly tell you no! but after come out to work and meet ppl and go party and such....end up also dont care wan la....If u really fail to see this then u really need to go out more..or expand your circle of friends.

And regarding height , i've personally known atleast 5 friends with significantly taller gf's. these guys arent even entau. just bursting with out of this world confidence. Chicks dig that. Actually come to think of it...i know more than 5 couples in that regards, if u include my previous gangster buddies.

My observation: nerdy ppl always like to create these small small rules just so they can feel bigger than the other ppl they perceive to be cooler than them. Then when their gf get spannered by one of these 'bad boys', they will come here and whine that oh they have been so nice to their gf and did nothing wrong blablabla....damm it people!!

...dont blame others for your own failures due to your boring katak dibawah tempurung attitudes towards life.

Some people smoke because they can!
Some losers make a big fuss out of smoking just to add any little of bit plus points they can muster to get them on par with the girls. pathetic excuse for being a non-smoker.

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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Aug 4 2009, 02:18 PM)
here though, i would like to correct teongpeng and happy4ever for a while

well, in malaysia, i am pretty aware of the people around me, girls and guys especially if i pop them the question, would you like a smoker to be your potential spouse, i would get the majority answer as a no

maybe it's your group of friends you are mixing with, that is why you get a different response or see a different point of view that your smoking friends are married

well, also, you need to bear in mind that society is changing towards a non-smoking seeking spouse behavior, as i remember from a survey conducted by thestar previously, many stated no for their answer (of course, those whom are married already will be living in a different time phase comparing to the non-married ones)

in short,
if its just a direct question, without any extra personal variables, of course smoking is a less attractive trait to have, unless you are somebody in the other person's eyes

ask any person (that you don't know) from their early mid 20's who ain't married and see your results from the answer...of course, given the fact that if they are a smoker then most likely they would not mind as well
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I have a large circle of friends, smokers and non-smokers. While smoking is less desirable, it isn't much of a deterrent either in going into a fruitful relationship. And most of the time, their mates are non-smokers.
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Why bother giving feedback or criticism to Ezra? He's only going to either

1. Vigorously conform or subordinate it to his own views

2. Take criticism personally and treat you like an enemy

3. "Improve" upon his articles further and not attribute the new development to you.

It's almost funny in a pathological sense. He's going to get into all these debates and arguments by taking it personally and if he sees a little titbit he likes from other people he's going to be like "Oh, I like that. I'll put it in my article, now it is mine!"

LMAO!


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QUOTE(LostWanderer @ Aug 4 2009, 02:18 PM)
here though, i would like to correct teongpeng and happy4ever for a while

well, in malaysia, i am pretty aware of the people around me, girls and guys especially if i pop them the question, would you like a smoker to be your potential spouse, i would get the majority answer as a no

maybe it's your group of friends you are mixing with, that is why you get a different response or see a different point of view that your smoking friends are married

well, also, you need to bear in mind that society is changing towards a non-smoking seeking spouse behavior, as i remember from a survey conducted by thestar previously, many stated no for their answer (of course, those whom are married already will be living in a different time phase comparing to the non-married ones)

in short,
if its just a direct question, without any extra personal variables, of course smoking is a less attractive trait to have, unless you are somebody in the other person's eyes

ask any person (that you don't know) from their early mid 20's who ain't married and see your results from the answer...of course, given the fact that if they are a smoker then most likely they would not mind as well
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 4 2009, 03:52 PM)
I have a large circle of friends, smokers and non-smokers. While smoking is less desirable, it isn't much of a deterrent either in going into a fruitful relationship. And most of the time, their mates are non-smokers.
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I think lostwanderer and happy4ever summarized it up nicely smile.gif
Just because smoking makes you less desirable, it doesnt kill your chances.
But it definitely is a plus if you didnt smoke wink.gif

As I said... I would definitely date a girl who smokes I find her attractive enough. Im sure the same goes for girls as well.


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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 4 2009, 04:07 PM)
Why bother giving feedback or criticism to Ezra? He's only going to either

1. Vigorously conform or subordinate it to his own views
2. Take criticism personally and treat you like an enemy
3. "Improve" upon his articles further and not attribute the new development to you.
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4. Agree with what sane people are saying.
5. Disagree with what bitter people are saying.


Added on August 4, 2009, 4:16 pm
QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:07 AM)
You don't even know when you're contradicting yourself, do you?
I have, actually. But if you've never had the balls to approach a gorgeous girl, then you'll probably develop these wrong-headed theories to justify your own ball-lessness and seek validation for them on an anonymous web forum.
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No im not contradicting myself. Quote the whole paragraph next time wink.gif

And btw, my balls are so big girls gravitate towards it. There is no need to approach when you are approached rclxm9.gif

lololol whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 4 2009, 04:07 PM)
Why bother giving feedback or criticism to Ezra? He's only going to either

1. Vigorously conform or subordinate it to his own views

2. Take criticism personally and treat you like an enemy

3. "Improve" upon his articles further and not attribute the new development to you.

It's almost funny in a pathological sense. He's going to get into all these debates and arguments by taking it personally and if he sees a little titbit he likes from other people he's going to be like "Oh, I like that. I'll put it in my article, now it is mine!"

LMAO!

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+1000 points! exactly why i din give anymore comments. nice observation dickson. i still stick with the fact that 1+1 in relationships don't always equals 2. just try yout best, go wif the flow and be sincere.
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 4 2009, 04:07 PM)
Why bother giving feedback or criticism to Ezra? He's only going to either

1. Vigorously conform or subordinate it to his own views

2. Take criticism personally and treat you like an enemy

3. "Improve" upon his articles further and not attribute the new development to you.

4. Make lame jokes and mock your opinions and take it completely out of context.

Added on August 4, 2009, 4:21 pm
QUOTE(Jamien @ Aug 4 2009, 04:17 PM)
+1000 points! exactly why i din give anymore comments. nice observation dickson. i still stick with the fact that 1+1 in relationships don't always equals 2. just try yout best, go wif the flow and be sincere.
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post Aug 4 2009, 04:27 PM

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Look guys, I know I've really hit a nerve with some of the things i've said in the past.

Yet debbieyss' comment did strike a chord in me. I will be updating my article... in what shall hopefully be the last incarnation.


I realize that bringing up the role of traits that cannot be changed (eg. height) will piss some people off, and they will use everything to try to discredit me...probably because it makes them feel good.

So, Im going to eliminate that example.


Hopefully the fifth incarnation will be positive and inspiring and far more politically correct.
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The troll must be full nao from all the frenzy feeding laugh.gif

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post Aug 4 2009, 04:45 PM

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Ezra, what had i said that inspired you?
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post Aug 4 2009, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 04:10 PM)
I think lostwanderer and happy4ever summarized it up nicely smile.gif
Just because smoking makes you less desirable, it doesnt kill your chances.
But it definitely is a plus if you didnt smoke wink.gif

As I said... I would definitely date a girl who smokes I find her attractive enough. Im sure the same goes for girls as well.
Attraction comes in many aspects, not necessarily physical. Thats why I say its better to grow in love.
Take time to know the person. In due time, you can accept each other's shortcomings and strengths.

Anyhow, men prefers women to smoke their sosejes, while women prefer men to eat their Fatt Choy sleep.gif

And thats an irrefutable fact!!! sleep.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 4 2009, 04:52 PM)
Attraction comes in many aspects, not necessarily physical. Thats why I say its better to grow in love.
Take time to know the person. In due time, you can accept each other's shortcomings and strengths.


Anyhow, men prefers women to smoke their sosejes, while women prefer men to eat their Fatt Choy sleep.gif

And thats an irrefutable fact!!! sleep.gif
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Very true.

When you are attractive to the opposite sex. You will find that many people will want to "grow in love" with you. smile.gif There is a reason why attractive people get the right types of attention....and dont have the "always a friend, not a lover" dilemma.

Love grows, and humans are as picky as ever with who they fall in love with - both men and women.
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 04:54 PM)
Very true.

When you are attractive to the opposite sex. You will find that many people will want to "grow in love" with you. smile.gif There is a reason why attractive people get the right types of attention....and dont have the "always a friend, not a lover" dilemma.

Love grows, and humans are as picky as ever with who they fall in love with - both men and women.
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so sayang, can you grow something into my panties? blush.gif
I'm sure i can grow into your pants and make sure your manhood grows into me...fittingly..erotically...oooh..
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 4 2009, 04:52 PM)
while women prefer men to eat their Fatt Choy sleep.gif
<raises hand>

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 4 2009, 04:58 PM)
<raises hand>

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sshshhh,,,debbieyss can hear you! brows.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 4 2009, 05:00 PM)
sshshhh,,,debbieyss can hear you!  brows.gif
Feh. She hear also no use. laugh.gif


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Yup, all natural and let time takes it course. It is a good way too to realize pure love or just puppy love. Nice...
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 4 2009, 05:08 PM)
Feh. She hear also no use.  laugh.gif
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She'll be imagining whats it like... yet must abstain... very teruk... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 04:10 PM)
I think lostwanderer and happy4ever summarized it up nicely smile.gif

Just because smoking makes you less desirable, it doesnt kill your chances.
But it definitely is a plus if you didnt smoke wink.gif

doh.gif You just don't get it. Its irrelevant not a +/-. You can ask people if they like it or not, what they say, isn't necessarily what they mean! A lot of people just say things, but when it comes to actually being in the situation, what you'll notice is that almost everything they said was inaccurate.

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4. Agree with what sane people are saying.
5. Disagree with what bitter people are saying.

When people try to correct you, you think they're bitter? laugh.gif +1 to narrow mindedness smile.gif

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And btw, my balls are so big girls gravitate towards it. There is no need to approach when you are approached rclxm9.gif

You sure its not a tumour? Better get it checked man.

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 04:27 PM)
Look guys, I know I've really hit a nerve with some of the things i've said in the past.

The only thing you've hit is the gong of idiocy. Announcing to the world that you're an idiot. We have gave you the benefit of the doubt in the past and tried to reason with you, but instead of showing the capacity of being able to learn anything, you just prove your ignorance.

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Hopefully the fifth incarnation will be positive and inspiring and far more politically correct.
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Politically correct or not, the basis of your understanding of attraction is non-existant. You can continue writing, and we'll continue bashing you cause you don't understand shit. It wouldn't be so bad if you understood how little you understand and stick within your levels, but no, you're trying to delve deeper (which isn't so bad) but you're not willing to learn and understand the deeper concepts.

Stuck within the narrow confines of your theory.

QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Aug 4 2009, 04:38 PM)
The troll must be full nao from all the frenzy feeding laugh.gif
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Trolls are people too, he has testicular cancer... so better feed him while he's still alive.

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 4 2009, 04:52 PM)

Anyhow, men prefers women to smoke their sosejes, while women prefer men to eat their Fatt Choy sleep.gif

And thats an irrefutable fact!!! sleep.gif
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MUFFFF DIVER!

On a serious note, you've ruined the word Fatt Choy for me. It's never going to be the same again!
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 4 2009, 05:21 PM)
Politically correct or not, the basis of your understanding of attraction is non-existant. You can continue writing, and we'll continue bashing you cause you don't understand shit. It wouldn't be so bad if you understood how little you understand and stick within your levels, but no, you're trying to delve deeper (which isn't so bad) but you're not willing to learn and understand the deeper concepts.
I'm not going to continue criticising or bashing Ezra. We have fundamental differences. If you noticed when I first popped up in here (from Hell) I immediately got into a tiff with him that escalated into a full-fledged flame war.

But since then I have understood that the primary reason Ezra is writing all of this is to help himself clarify the concepts he has discovered or chanced upon.

The articles are written for himself but the approach is to force and conform other people's views to his own. Perhaps that's the only way a natural debater can think of for distilling truth: a confrontation of wills and victory measured by the success of such methods.

This time instead of debating and criticising, I will indeed let the readers be the judge.

I will let Ezra have his day in the limelight, I will let him put forth his points of views and preach his ideas unmolested.

I shall concentrate wholly on my own message and its presentation.


The key here is this: a diversity of viewpoints and opinions is actually good.

With so many good contributors here who are actually willing to structure and pen out their thoughts, we are now one step closer to becoming a place dedicated to the sharing of experiences and understanding.
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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ Aug 4 2009, 05:28 PM)
MUFFFF DIVER!

On a serious note, you've ruined the word Fatt Choy for me. It's never going to be the same again!
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As if you don't dive when you're ORDERED TO??? dry.gif

but anyhow, it tastes nicer. Reminds me of Cecilia Chung's icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ Aug 4 2009, 05:28 PM)
MUFFFF DIVER!
Muff diving is it's own reward. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Aug 4 2009, 05:18 PM)
Dont worry, I wont.
Guys, this time, I've removed just about everything potentially offensive to people. I dont wanna strike a nerve in anyone...and I have taken feedback into consideration.

Do have a read, and flame me if you can.
I will be submitting this article for syndication (yeah, for cash) to a magazine when it is brushed up.
Comments are welcome. wink.gif
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But since then I have understood that the primary reason Ezra is writing all of this is to help himself clarify the concepts he has discovered or chanced upon.


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Perhaps you need to think twice again on his reasons and motives
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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Aug 4 2009, 05:38 PM)
Perhaps you need to think twice again on his reasons and motives
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Yes, he has that other motive, which I HAVE mentioned somewhere else, but the motive I mentioned is the primary reason why I stopped flaming him and shall abstain from doing so in the future.

His articles will stand or fall on its own merits. We will not be the only ones who will give him accolades or brickbats and I'm content to let that be in order to concentrate on my own message and its presentation.
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Aug 4 2009, 05:35 PM)
With so many good contributors here who are actually willing to structure and pen out their thoughts, we are now one step closer to becoming a place dedicated to the sharing of experiences and understanding.
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I actually have an article that I'm writing up, I have all the base points, but need to make it easy to understand for this readership. Writing it as a commemoration of SC moving to its own section smile.gif

QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Aug 4 2009, 05:38 PM)
Perhaps you need to think twice again on his reasons and motives
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Considering the amount of articles out there that do so much better in helping people in relationships, whether its in picking up chicks, dating or even keeping a relationship together, I think he's going to have a hard time penetrating that market laugh.gif Especially with such poor content.
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Aug 4 2009, 05:36 PM)
As if you don't dive when you're ORDERED TO??? dry.gif

but anyhow, it tastes nicer. Reminds me of Cecilia Chung's  icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Aug 4 2009, 05:37 PM)
Muff diving is it's own reward.  thumbup.gif
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Mow the grass, the lawn will be bigger! Oh gosh, please say no to Cecilia Chung's
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 4 2009, 06:03 PM)
I actually have an article that I'm writing up, I have all the base points, but need to make it easy to understand for this readership. Writing it as a commemoration of SC moving to its own section smile.gif
Good stuff! laugh.gif

Hey, you know, I just realised something.

We really ought to celebrate CC moving to its own section! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ Aug 4 2009, 06:09 PM)
Mow the grass, the lawn will be bigger! Oh gosh, please say no to Cecilia Chung's
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I prefer a mowed lawn too, lol.

It's more hypersexual because there's more skin surface contact, omg icon_question.gif

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Would you guys mow your lawns too?
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Would you guys mow your lawns too?
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We don't have lawns.. we have towers... hidden in a forest
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Would you guys mow your lawns too?
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We don't have lawns.. we have towers... hidden in a forest
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Then would you de-forest?

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I trim it  unsure.gif
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How about plucking every single 'thing' out?

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