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post Jun 30 2009, 01:48 PM, updated 17y ago

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Finally, 50S10K has landed in Malaysia. Im wondering what would be the launching price for this model. Anyone has any idea?
http://www.panasonic.com.my/web/pid/7941

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post Jun 30 2009, 03:07 PM

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wah, finally!!

htkaki, kevinc66 ... got price? smile.gif

Wait and wait so long ...
actually, now that i've waited for so long, i am tempted to just wait for the V series or G series.
Maybe will come out at KL AV Fair?
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:00 PM

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very interested, what's the indicative price for this?
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:00 PM

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That is a good piece of news. Just wanted to check out the reflective screens whether i can accept it.
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(yj-kl @ Jun 30 2009, 03:07 PM)
wah, finally!!

htkaki, kevinc66 ... got price? smile.gif

Wait and wait so long ...
actually, now that i've waited for so long, i am tempted to just wait for the V series or G series.
Maybe will come out at KL AV Fair?
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:26 PM

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sure the price a bit high...if high,worth or not...
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 30 2009, 04:25 PM)
Checking for you now  wink.gif
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:43 PM

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RRP : RM6,499
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 30 2009, 04:43 PM)
RRP : RM6,499
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any bundling promotion for this unit?
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Wow...only Rm6499

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post Jun 30 2009, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 30 2009, 04:45 PM)
any bundling promotion for this unit?
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Nothing yet. At this moment, only the tv. Still waiting for final confirmation on the price which I am going to sell
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post Jun 30 2009, 05:00 PM

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yes htleg, i'm dying to knw the price oso...and whether any combo deal on the 50incher
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post Jun 30 2009, 05:00 PM

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That's cheap!!!

*beats itchy hand*
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post Jun 30 2009, 05:01 PM

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Should be RM5xxx cash term
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post Jun 30 2009, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(kianwee @ Jun 30 2009, 05:01 PM)
Should be RM5xxx cash term
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wow! if really RM5xxx, nice price drool.gif !! Alas, I just got my P42S10K sad.gif
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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jun 30 2009, 05:00 PM)
yes htleg, i'm dying to knw the price oso...and whether any combo deal on the 50incher
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No combo at the moment. First unit going for RM5,900 cash with free HDMI cable and s-video cable. Any taker?
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post Jun 30 2009, 05:35 PM

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alright!!
Solid stuff, should be around 5.5k then!!
now, dunno whether itchy to wait for V10 series or not ... hehehe

maybe have a look at the panel first ... if its a good panel, i don't see why not just take it ... after all S10 to V10 is still 2k saved i guess smile.gif
for digital cinema colour gamut, one-sheet-glass front, THX ... hmmm...

50 inch Full HD plasma ... finally!!!


Added on June 30, 2009, 5:37 pmoh, ok, i guess higher than 5.5k, have to find one to see how it looks like.

htkaki, keep us updated if got any promo or change in price ok? Thx, u r the man!

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post Jun 30 2009, 05:41 PM

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That's the best price for now as it is RM599 lesser than RRP of RM6,499 smile.gif
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post Jun 30 2009, 06:20 PM

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good price... should be aimed for my living hall soon biggrin.gif

hope tat time down to 5k+
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post Jun 30 2009, 06:22 PM

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ugly looking la...plain black only. nice big screen though.
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post Jun 30 2009, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jun 30 2009, 06:22 PM)
ugly looking la...plain black only. nice big screen though.
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Then you should go for Sony LCD. Get the pink ones.
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post Jun 30 2009, 06:38 PM

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Yep drooling all over the new Z series. Hope I won't run out of saliva by end of this year. Pink? I ain't no Barbie tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yj-kl @ Jun 30 2009, 05:35 PM)
alright!!
Solid stuff, should be around 5.5k then!!
now, dunno whether itchy to wait for V10 series or not ... hehehe

maybe have a look at the panel first ... if its a good panel, i don't see why not just take it ... after all S10 to V10 is still 2k saved i guess smile.gif
for digital cinema colour gamut, one-sheet-glass front, THX ... hmmm...

50 inch Full HD plasma ... finally!!!


Added on June 30, 2009, 5:37 pmoh, ok, i guess higher than 5.5k, have to find one to see how it looks like.

htkaki, keep us updated if got any promo or change in price ok? Thx, u r the man!
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dun think u'll hv much luck with the V series. its not gonna be available in M'sia. G & S series only for FHD plasma. not even a 50in G series.

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specs came out in the panny US site is significantly different from those released in M'sia...i wonder why..

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S series suppose to be NEO panel & infinite black oso...but here, tarrak...

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post Jun 30 2009, 08:42 PM

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Daryl, what we got here is totally different than the US. Don't even bother comparing with them.
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post Jun 30 2009, 08:43 PM

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S10 plasma finally comes out 50' version...wondering when will the 50' version of G10 launch?
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post Jun 30 2009, 09:36 PM

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S10k just rolled out and you're asking for G10K??
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post Jun 30 2009, 09:45 PM

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it's just few months gap between the 42' & the 50' introduction...so I just expects the same thing happens to G10...
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post Jun 30 2009, 10:04 PM

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Wah finally 50S10K model is out! rclxms.gif Too bad I have purchased the 42S10K. Anyway, it is out of my budget tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ilovesc&c @ Jun 30 2009, 09:36 PM)
S10k just rolled out and you're asking for G10K??
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Why not? When 42S10k came out 42X10k was barely 2 months old. I bet it's still up to the respond on the current latest model.
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post Jun 30 2009, 11:07 PM

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There won't be a 50" G10 according to here:

http://www.panasonic.com.my/viera/
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post Jul 1 2009, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(kianwee @ Jun 30 2009, 11:07 PM)
There won't be a 50" G10 according to here:

http://www.panasonic.com.my/viera/
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Wondering if 60inch S or G or whatever series will be sold here. I saw Pana made the biggest plasma 103 inch.. even on display in Best dengki sometime ago, but never really sold commercially here. If pana bring 60ich fullhd plasma priced below 10K, that would be interesting.
Anybody know? tq
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post Jul 1 2009, 10:29 AM

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very cheap. Good to hear that it is reasonable. So, we can really confirm that the G would be dead.

Not many would buy a 42 G when you can buy a 50 inch S?
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post Jul 1 2009, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 1 2009, 10:29 AM)
very cheap. Good to hear that it is reasonable. So, we can really confirm that the G would be dead.

Not many would buy a 42 G when you can buy a 50 inch S?
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Currently, i'm 40pv80 - 7 months onwer, 90-95% mainly used it for Astro, no point upgrade now even it go belowe 5K. if Astro HD now then it's worth to get the 50 inch S.
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QUOTE(utellme @ Jul 1 2009, 02:07 PM)
Currently, i'm 40pv80 - 7 months onwer, 90-95% mainly used it for Astro,  no point upgrade now even it go belowe 5K. if Astro HD now then it's worth to get the 50 inch S.
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PV80 have 40"? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Jul 1 2009, 02:14 PM)
PV80 have 40"? laugh.gif
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i think he means 42"
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post Jul 1 2009, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Jul 1 2009, 02:07 PM)
Currently, i'm 40pv80 - 7 months onwer, 90-95% mainly used it for Astro,  no point upgrade now even it go belowe 5K. if Astro HD now then it's worth to get the 50 inch S.
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true. for most msians, all this plasma and lcd stuff is all crap if Astro still remains analogue. Most people go home and get a shock at the crap quality of the picture.

those who still swear that they get very good picture with Astro, obviously has not gone overseas and seen what true digital TV is on flat panels.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 1 2009, 02:48 PM)
true. for most msians, all this plasma and lcd stuff is all crap if Astro still remains analogue. Most people go home and get a shock at the crap quality of the picture.

those who still swear that they get very good picture with Astro, obviously has not gone overseas and seen what true digital TV is on flat panels.
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but we still have blueray, dvd, xbox360 & ps3 right?
why plasma and lcd stuff must be related to Astro?
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QUOTE(superxboy @ Jul 1 2009, 03:44 PM)
but we still have blueray, dvd, xbox360 & ps3 right?
why plasma and lcd stuff must be related to Astro?
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cause, most people, 90% of the time watch Astro.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 1 2009, 03:46 PM)
cause, most people, 90% of the time watch Astro.
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i see, because i am not that 90%
I dun have astro at home, just plan to buy plasma for my PS3.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 1 2009, 02:48 PM)
true. for most msians, all this plasma and lcd stuff is all crap if Astro still remains analogue. Most people go home and get a shock at the crap quality of the picture.

those who still swear that they get very good picture with Astro, obviously has not gone overseas and seen what true digital TV is on flat panels.
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I don't think we need to fly oversea just to see how good is HD video. In fact my LCD tv at the moment is 95% HD contents only.


Added on July 1, 2009, 4:22 pmAnyway, when I look at the spec on the pana website, it states that the panel used is "G12 Progressive Full-HD Plasma Display Panel".

I try google it and it shows up that it is a Neopdp panel. So can someone confirm that?

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post Jul 1 2009, 05:23 PM

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Just saw this model at Best Denki Midvalley.....very nice PQ but I don't think I can live with the reflection. So disturbing rclxub.gif
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post Jul 1 2009, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 1 2009, 05:23 PM)
Just saw this model at Best Denki Midvalley.....very nice PQ but I don't think I can live with the reflection. So disturbing rclxub.gif
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So the reflection is very bad...i thought the S is better than the X?
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the 42 inch S is less reflective than the X. Is the 50 inch same also?
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What is the cheapest 50" LCD now? I think this new full hd plasma from pana is the cheapest 50" full hd tv available in the market.

My only concern is the screen reflection now. Maybe I just have to live with some reflection for this price.
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post Jul 2 2009, 12:24 AM

hmm...
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This 50" will be excellent in a close room with no light source from side or opposite. Without the reflection, the PQ is simply stunning for the given price.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 2 2009, 12:24 AM)
This 50" will be excellent in a close room with no light source from side or opposite. Without the reflection, the PQ is simply stunning for the given price.
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I do have 2 BIG windows on the side wall and down lights in my living room. I better go check out the real tv and judge for myself. It really sucks to see reflections on the TV.
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most people don't have a dedicated TV room and usually put it in the hall. That is where all the windows and sliding doors are, thus, reflection.

It is a pity. Just like notebooks, everybody chased glossy screen to only finally realise that matte is more practicable. I had both and glossy was far worse.

Clear evidence of technology digressing backwards.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 2 2009, 07:28 AM)
most people don't have a dedicated TV room and usually put it in the hall. That is where all the windows and sliding doors are, thus, reflection.

It is a pity. Just like notebooks, everybody chased glossy screen to only finally realise that matte is more practicable. I had both and glossy was far worse.

Clear evidence of technology digressing backwards.
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Absolutely agree with you on this on. As consumer, we just have to stop buying it then they will stop producing it.
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My sumsung LCD also have this glossy reflection problem. It is good at night without the light on but during daytime watching it at the living room still can see the reflection... Since I have already bought it so have to leave with it... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Jul 2 2009, 11:31 AM)
My sumsung LCD also have this glossy reflection problem.  It is good at night without the light on but during daytime watching it at the living room still can see the reflection... Since I have already bought it so have to leave with it... rclxub.gif
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Samsung LCD with glossy screen is absolutely ridiculous. Its another way manufacturer use to make their screen APPEAR nicer! Will never buy one of those.

I can understand when plasma have reflective screen because of the technology that requires real glass. But LCD can do away with reflection screens yet samsung choose to go that route. Silly!
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 1 2009, 05:23 PM)
Just saw this model at Best Denki Midvalley.....very nice PQ but I don't think I can live with the reflection. So disturbing rclxub.gif
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hi, do you remember the RRP listed for this model at Denki?
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post Jul 2 2009, 01:44 PM

hmm...
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Not sure bro. I think 5k+ if not mistaken. 5999 maybe.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Jul 2 2009, 01:44 PM)
Not sure bro. I think 5k+ if not mistaken. 5999 maybe.
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hrrmm...altho price reasonable for a 50in FHD plasma tv, but i'm hoping there'll be a combo deal like they offering for the 42in. then it'll be bloody worth it...htkaki shud b able to update us if combo deal is available..mean while, i'll wait till at least KLIAV...see what sort of offering can get there...
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the reflective screen is advisable for movie cos it improves contrast..as movie is suppose to be watch in a dim environment just like in the cinema..but as for computer monitor, the mirror reflective surface is the pain in the axx.

if i am not mistaken, Sony is the pioneer in adapting this reflective surface for its LCD ccomputer monitor..
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QUOTE(shuttersyok @ Jul 3 2009, 01:24 AM)
the reflective screen is advisable for movie cos it improves contrast..as movie is suppose to be watch in a dim environment just like in the cinema..but as for computer monitor, the mirror reflective surface is the pain in the axx.

if i am not mistaken, Sony is the pioneer in adapting this reflective surface for its LCD ccomputer monitor..
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But Tv manufacturer should know that 95% of the Tv are use in household that is bright.
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How about compare this model with LG...saw them at denki mvalley...the price isn't much different...samsung also..
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QUOTE(shuttersyok @ Jul 3 2009, 01:24 AM)
the reflective screen is advisable for movie cos it improves contrast..as movie is suppose to be watch in a dim environment just like in the cinema..but as for computer monitor, the mirror reflective surface is the pain in the axx.
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People aren't always watching movies. Got news, sports, documentary, sit coms, etc. The whole point with TV is to be able to watch in lighted environment and the reflective screen is too distracting for this. I say bring back anti-reflective screens!
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jul 3 2009, 12:01 PM)
People aren't always watching movies. Got news, sports, documentary, sit coms, etc. The whole point with TV is to be able to watch in lighted environment and the reflective screen is too distracting for this. I say bring back anti-reflective screens!
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bro..not only movies, video in general. As you have heard some review about the x10k color, they mentioned is natural while some forum members here mentioned the new s10k borders on a bit of oversaturation of the green. I believes it has something to do with the anti glare coatings on the glass. Anti reflective coating is expensive stuff, and look at the vast area of glass the need to coat!

thats is the reason why some plasma is Sooooo...expensive...KURO anyone?
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Just got a quote from my friend for the Pana 50S10. Its only Rm5600 with a free camera.

I'm waiting for him to get back to me whether can get extended warranty for 5 years and & also whther can buy without the free camera. Anyone know which model camera they give?


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Glossy screen has better contrast and color.
unless, ur room is ultra bright, or u purposely stare into the reflection, you won't notice it.

but for a PC monitor, matte is the way to go, because u need to read, not "watch".
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 3 2009, 02:53 PM)
Just got a quote from my friend for the Pana 50S10. Its only Rm5600 with a free camera.

I'm waiting for him to get back to me whether can get extended warranty for 5 years and & also whther can buy without the free camera.  Anyone know which model camera they give?
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whatever camera they are giving, is not worth it unless you really need a camera. nothing is free, the camera is cost in the bundle..just a matter how much they value it..

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 30 2009, 05:23 PM)
No combo at the moment. First unit going for RM5,900 cash with free HDMI cable and s-video cable. Any taker?
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If interested in this price, who do I get in touch for this price?

Thanks
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QUOTE(shuttersyok @ Jul 3 2009, 12:18 PM)
bro..not only movies, video in general.  As you have heard some review about the x10k color, they mentioned is natural while some forum members here mentioned the new s10k borders on a bit of oversaturation of the green.  I believes it has something to do with the anti glare coatings on the glass.  Anti reflective coating is expensive stuff, and look at the vast area of glass the need to coat!

thats is the reason why some plasma is Sooooo...expensive...KURO anyone?
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Yes, Kuro is the one, the only one "perfect" Plasma... but the price is 3 times than S series (KRP-500a last priced at RM18K).
LG PQ30 plasma has less reflection and not full HD but the picture is beautiful. My worry is, 3 display units of LG in Best denki mid valley have screen problem ... some lines breaking etc... Quality questionable.

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jul 3 2009, 12:01 PM)
People aren't always watching movies. Got news, sports, documentary, sit coms, etc. The whole point with TV is to be able to watch in lighted environment and the reflective screen is too distracting for this. I say bring back anti-reflective screens!
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very true. Not everyone watches movies. It is amazing how glossy screens have gotten away with murder.

Pay some journalist to say glossy screen gives better colour and everybody chants and sing praises to the glossy screen.

In actual fact, glossy screen in either a notebook or a plasma is a big pain and totally cannot be tolerated.

But yet, some people swear glossy screens are great.

I got 2 notebooks, one glossy and one matte. When I take the glossy to Starbucks, I cannot see a thing. But the matte, I see clearly.

And yet, people chase Apple with their super glossy screens. Half the time, see people moving their faces close to the screen to read stuff
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 3 2009, 02:53 PM)
Just got a quote from my friend for the Pana 50S10. Its only Rm5600 with a free camera.

I'm waiting for him to get back to me whether can get extended warranty for 5 years and & also whther can buy without the free camera.  Anyone know which model camera they give?
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Best price quoted here is RM4850, set only.
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Wah what a range of offers, from:

5900 w/ free hdmi and s-video to...
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4850 TV only

It's like the price is dropping so fast, reminds me of what happened with BD60.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 3 2009, 09:39 PM)
very true. Not everyone watches movies. It is amazing how glossy screens have gotten away with murder.

Pay some journalist to say glossy screen gives better colour and everybody chants and sing praises to the glossy screen.

In actual fact, glossy screen in either a notebook or a plasma is a big pain and totally cannot be tolerated.

But yet, some people swear glossy screens are great.

I got 2 notebooks, one glossy and one matte. When I take the glossy to Starbucks, I cannot see a thing. But the matte, I see clearly.

And yet, people chase Apple with their super glossy screens. Half the time, see people moving their faces close to the screen to read stuff
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reflective screen do produce better contrast and color and this is not due to the review of some reviewer, use your eyes la bro...put 1 reflective and 1 matte in a dark room, you will see a difference la...
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htkaki, your price how much?
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Best price quoted here is RM4850, set only.
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Also, can someone pm me htkaki's contact as well?

Thanks

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Woah, friend, where did you get his price?  Can you PM me his contact?
Also, can someone pm me htkaki's contact as well?

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Wah, RM4850 is a very good price, pls tell us your contact. Now, sure the 42inch G series would be dead.
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On friday I saw 42X18k / 42X10K selling for RM 3090 in Senq in Sunway Pyramid. This deal comes with a free camera. While stock last.

I have asked what is the difference between x18k and x 10k and he said there are no difference. Is that true?
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QUOTE(desachan @ Jul 5 2009, 09:13 AM)
On friday I saw 42X18k / 42X10K selling for RM 3090 in Senq in Sunway Pyramid. This deal comes with a free camera. While stock last.

I have asked what is the difference between x18k and x 10k and he said there are no difference. Is that true?
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I also saw and it is worth it. Works out to RM2800 if you consider the camera.

But it looks like a mirror lah. Reflection so so bad.
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RM4850... from CL Khoon Kuching.
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RM4850... from CL Khoon Kuching.
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RM4850... from CL Khoon Kuching.
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Guys,
Do you think this TV is too big for 7 to 8 feet viewing distance?

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I think it is kind of big for 7 to 8 ft. It will be hard for you to cover the whole Screen. Have a go in Best denki/ Senq / Harvey Norman before start purchasing the TV.

RM 4850 for p50s10k model without freebies. That is good deal. I would be interested as well. Value added for the price includes Plasma TV, Full hd and 50'. Will rock with Astro and with Blu-ray movies.
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Do you think this TV is too big for 7 to 8 feet viewing distance?
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omg, RM4850 for P50s10k?
Who selling it? pls PM me.
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any other model 50' for price comparison...
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Currently looking for HD ready 50inch plasma. Have seen 50x10k playing upscaled kungfu panda dvd in HN pavilion and looks fantastic. Went over to desa LYP and saw LG 50pq30 (RM5399) and Samsung 50b430 (RM5499). However, when test upscale dvd on Sammy (movie called Red Line i think), saw an unacceptable amount of judder when camera pan across a scene and during endroll credits. SA then showed Philips LCD with HD natural motion and it was much smoother (though depth was much better on plasma). Was the Sammy not set up properly or the judder is there for lower end plasmas?
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QUOTE(podrunner @ Jul 5 2009, 05:17 PM)
RM4850... from CL Khoon Kuching.
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QUOTE(coda7 @ Jul 6 2009, 11:55 AM)
Currently looking for HD ready 50inch plasma. Have seen 50x10k  playing upscaled kungfu panda dvd in HN pavilion and looks fantastic. Went over to desa LYP and saw LG 50pq30 (RM5399) and Samsung 50b430 (RM5499). However, when test upscale dvd on Sammy (movie called Red Line i think), saw an unacceptable amount of judder when camera pan across a scene and during endroll credits. SA then showed Philips LCD with HD natural motion and it was much smoother (though depth was much better on plasma). Was the Sammy not set up properly or the judder is there for lower end plasmas?
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From what I've read, 24p movies do have some judder in them. If the TV doesn't have some form of frame interpolation then you will see some judder in certain panning scenes.

So maybe the Sammy doesn't have such feature?
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jul 6 2009, 12:30 PM)
From what I've read, 24p movies do have some judder in them. If the TV doesn't have some form of frame interpolation then you will see some judder in certain panning scenes.

So maybe the Sammy doesn't have such feature?
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I don't really fancy 24P as I don't think it have any significant on picture quality. I am using 1080P/60 and so far i have absolutrly no problem at all.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 6 2009, 12:34 PM)
I don't really fancy 24P as I don't think it have any significant on  picture quality.  I am using 1080P/60 and so far i have absolutrly no problem at all.
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Yeah 60p would definitely be smoother. But all this would depend on the movie right? And most movies are in 24p.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jul 6 2009, 12:45 PM)
Yeah 60p would definitely be smoother. But all this would depend on the movie right? And most movies are in 24p.
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Yes, all bluray are 24P, but 60 is perfectly fine. That is why I dont really bother if my supports 24p or not.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 6 2009, 12:17 PM)
My brother in Kuching CL Khoon in Kuching and the price is for 50X10...not 50S10.
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My very very sincere apologies......it's the X10, a million apologies. (The S10 will only be in-stock this week sometime). Very pai-seh..I heard S, he said X...we've gone "X-ray" and "S-arawak" now, to avoid further confusion.

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Jul 6 2009, 01:54 PM)
My very very sincere apologies......it's the X10, a million apologies. (The S10 will only be in-stock this week sometime). Very pai-seh..I heard S, he said X...we've gone "X-ray" and "S-arawak" now, to avoid further confusion.
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At lest you clear the confusion here. biggrin.gif

Should be getting my 50S10 in an hr time.

Update: The lorry just arrive....guess what!!! Its the X10. Salesman confuse again, so they took it back. No 50" plasma yet biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 6 2009, 02:31 PM)
At lest you clear the confusion here. biggrin.gif

Should be getting my 50S10 in an hr time.

Update:  The lorry just arrive....guess what!!!  Its the X10.  Salesman confuse again, so they took it back.  No 50" plasma yet biggrin.gif
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Not yet got it? Now supplier say the haven't receive stock yet!!! Should be around Rm6000
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Not yet got it?  Now supplier say the haven't receive stock yet!!!  Should be around Rm6000
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dude..u din check out at the shop before order? hrrm i think next time when ask for quote, need to spell it out properly dy..S for Singapore & X for X-ray. otherwise, will always get problems like these..

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dude...that is a sensitive thing to mention here now whistling.gif

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jul 6 2009, 10:11 PM)
dude..u din check out at the shop before order? hrrm i think next time when ask for quote, need to spell it out properly dy..S for Singapore & X for X-ray. otherwise, will always get problems like these..
dude...that is a sensitive thing to mention here now  whistling.gif
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I order from my friend thru phone. He order thru his friend who is pana dealer in Bintulu. I specifically ask him to confirm it's an "S" for singapore and full Hd and his dealer told him "yes".

Now that thing is travel 200km only to be send back again.
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dude...that is a sensitive thing to mention here now  whistling.gif
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Here is the first pro review of the TX-P50S10.

Review

Looks like the cheap price of this new plasma tv from panasonic is cheap for a reason...entry level with so so picture only.Here is the first pro review of the TX-P50S10.


Added on July 6, 2009, 11:27 pmFor those of u still undecided between the G10 or the S10 pana plasma, this review from whathifi might help you decides.

Whathifi review

One thing surprising from 2 pro reviews is that the TX-P50S10's image is not as sharp or details as one would like. That is strange considering the fact that this is a Full HD screen.

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ouh..really....looks like didn't sharp enough...correct me if im wrong...harvey norman got 50S10 i think..
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I went to senq last night and the salesman check on his computer and so far no stock in all their branch.

I think i better wait to see the actual Tv first after see the review which is not really that great.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 6 2009, 11:20 PM)
Here is the first pro review of the TX-P50S10.

Review

Looks like the cheap price of this new plasma tv from panasonic is cheap for a reason...entry level with so so picture only.Here is the first pro review of the TX-P50S10.


Added on July 6, 2009, 11:27 pmFor those of u still undecided between the G10 or the S10 pana plasma, this review from whathifi might help you decides.

Whathifi review

One thing surprising from 2 pro reviews is that the TX-P50S10's image is not as sharp or details as one would like.  That is strange considering the fact that this is a Full HD screen.
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I saw the TX-P42S10's picture was not as sharp as Kuro 428XG even though the Kuro is only 1024x768 rez. And the TX-P42S10's got shadow from certain angle and also chromatic errors (rainbow effect). Need good eyes to see it. Go figure. smile.gif




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Anyone here actually test out the P50S10 or bought one already?


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I saw the TX-P42S10's picture was not as sharp as Kuro 428XG even though the Kuro is only 1024x768 rez. And the TX-P42S10's got shadow from certain angle and also chromatic errors (rainbow effect). Need good eyes to see it. Go figure. smile.gif
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Kuro 428XG, I can notice immediately it was not a 1366x768 panel let alone full-hd panel from normal shop display viewing. so how to say it's sharp resolution to begin with??
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Im wondering if the pricing has dropped since ever it has been launched.
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heard that AFTA will be on 1 January 2010...so the tv price should be cheaper....no tax...correct me if im wrong..
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Kuro 428XG,  I can notice immediately it was not a 1366x768 panel let alone full-hd panel from normal shop display viewing. so how to say it's sharp resolution to begin with??
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At 2.5 times screen width (about 8.5ft for 42 inch TV), the pixel resolution cannot be distinguished during viewing. All that matters beyond this distance is how well contrast is handled, which of course Kuro is miles ahead. But of course if you are watching from 5 feet away (some people actually do!), you can see all the dots.
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At 2.5 times screen width (about 8.5ft for 42 inch TV), the pixel resolution cannot be distinguished during viewing. All that matters beyond this distance is how well contrast is handled, which of course Kuro is miles ahead. But of course if you are watching from 5 feet away (some people actually do!), you can see all the dots.
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I watch my HD materials at 1.5-2X.. that's what HD is for.. smile.gif of coz, I do realize this is a TV not a projector but habits, when reviewing stuffs like this, will make me watch at 2x minimum.. if start seeing pixels instead of the picture.. than that is quite distracting.. funny didn't really notice these stuffs previously, but since full HD start to be more common on 42-50inch TVs and that provides a baseline expectation of what minimum good quality panel pixel gaps should be like (i.e. non visible pixel structure at min. 2x distance) and now, I feel 1024x768 start to show their shortcomings..

also, it's all about the viewing cone.. if it's too narrow, you watching telly.. and that's bad as far as my Blu-rays are concerned... sorry but 1024x768 aint cut it in this day and age (year 2009).. maybe 3-4years ago still acceptable..

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Managed to see the P50S10 just now in QBM. The reflection on the glass is really bad...especially when the image is dark.

But if U have a theater-like lighting at home should be fine.
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QBM selling the P50S10K, how much?

BHB I-Anevue selling RM6399, ridiculous price.
P42S10K selling RM3999.
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Now got offer, RM5999. If not mistaken got some freebies (but not BD-60 tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jul 10 2009, 01:25 PM)
Managed to see the P50S10 just now in QBM. The reflection on the glass is really bad...especially when the image is dark.

But if U have a theater-like lighting at home should be fine.
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that is really bad news. It is as bad as the 42S?

If like that, I might as well buy LCD despite knowing plasma is better technology.
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The 50 was placed right beside the 42. I didn't really look that long, but IIANM, the reflection on the 50 was worse, probably because the screen is bigger. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jul 10 2009, 01:25 PM)
Managed to see the P50S10 just now in QBM. The reflection on the glass is really bad...especially when the image is dark.

But if U have a theater-like lighting at home should be fine.
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Bro, if that's case, I bet you would have opt for HD projector.
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Bro, if that's case, I bet you would have opt for HD projector.
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Taikor, having theater-like lighting doesn't mean can also have theater-like size living hall. Dun forget I live in atap house niah...

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The 50 was placed right beside the 42. I didn't really look that long, but IIANM, the reflection on the 50 was worse, probably because the screen is bigger. tongue.gif
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Pardon my ignorance, 50S10 is only FHD entry level in Viera line up, right?
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jul 10 2009, 01:25 PM)
Managed to see the P50S10 just now in QBM. The reflection on the glass is really bad...especially when the image is dark.

But if U have a theater-like lighting at home should be fine.
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I was at SenQ 2 days ago and saw a Pioneer Kuro there. I check out the screen and the refelction is just as bad as the panasonic. But why no one complaint about the Kuro?

I did look at the 50X10 and it does have very bad reflective screen. I am not too sure how they will look in my house because at the showroom, there are just too many bright TVs in the surrounding and the showroom itself is too brightly lighted. Maybe at home we might not really notice any reflection as there is no really "bright" object to cause any bad reflections.


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QBM selling the P50S10K, how much?

BHB I-Anevue selling RM6399, ridiculous price.
P42S10K selling RM3999.
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Is RM6399 ridiculous price? Have you check the price of other FULL HD LCD or plasma of the same size and compare the price? The last time I check, even a 46" LCD cost more than that and a 50" Full HD LCD is easily more than RM10k.

I personally think that RM6399 the lowest price for a 50" Full HD LCD or plasma currently on the market.

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I was at SenQ 2 days ago and saw a Pioneer Kuro there.  I check out the screen and the refelction is just as bad as the panasonic.  But why no one complaint about the Kuro?
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Comparing the X and the S series, the S series has a much better anti reflectance coating. The only difference is the X series appears as though there is no coating.

All plasmas use glass, there is bound to be reflection. Kuro is the same no difference. Panasonic X series is not that great in ARC, the S seems to be the same as any other plasma.

Not sure why there seems to be so much complaints abt the S series, it looks normal to me.

Maybe the comparisons are made in reference to LCD.


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I was at SenQ 2 days ago and saw a Pioneer Kuro there.  I check out the screen and the refelction is just as bad as the panasonic.  But why no one complaint about the Kuro?


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Is RM6399 ridiculous price?  Have you check the price of other FULL HD LCD or plasma of the same size and compare the price?  The last time I check, even a 46" LCD cost more than that and a 50" Full HD LCD is easily more than RM10k. 

I personally think that RM6399 the lowest price for a 50" Full HD LCD or plasma currently on the market.
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I agree. Full HD is more expensive, especially at 50in. Panasonic has made all the efforts to bring down the price of a full HD plasma. Last years 50PY850 was almost RM13k.... For those people who think it is still expensive, maybe next year it will go down more. Remember a 34in CRT was almost RM4500 just a few years ago. Now at the same price you can get a 50in 768p set.

Prices will fall every year. If you want the set, get it within your affordable means.

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 10 2009, 04:49 PM)
Comparing the X and the S series, the S series has a much better anti reflectance coating. The only difference is the X series appears as though there is no coating.

All plasmas use glass, there is bound to be reflection. Kuro is the same no difference. Panasonic X series is not that great in ARC, the S seems to be the same as any other plasma.

Not sure why there seems to be so much complaints abt the S series, it looks normal to me.

Maybe the comparisons are made in reference to LCD.


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I agree. Full HD is more expensive, especially at 50in. Panasonic has made all the efforts to bring down the price of a full HD plasma. Last years 50PY850 was almost RM13k.... For those people who think it is still expensive, maybe next year it will go down more. Remember a 34in CRT was almost RM4500 just a few years ago. Now at the same price you can get a 50in 768p set.

Prices will fall every year. If you want the set, get it within your affordable means.
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I guess the bad reflection is due to too many light emitting tvs in the surrounding on the showroom.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 10 2009, 04:41 PM)
I was at SenQ 2 days ago and saw a Pioneer Kuro there.  I check out the screen and the refelction is just as bad as the panasonic.  But why no one complaint about the Kuro?
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yeah, I think the same also, its the same with Kuro, but nobody complains about it. Its just as reflective as the Pana.

The best price I got with no frills but with Ori HDMI wire was rm5800/.

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[quote=lightning69,Jul 10 2009, 04:41 PM]
I was at SenQ 2 days ago and saw a Pioneer Kuro there. I check out the screen and the refelction is just as bad as the panasonic. But why no one complaint about the Kuro?



Agree with you totally. The KRP is as reflective as the Panasonic. I have pointed this out before but still people keep on talking that it is so great and perfect.

If it is perfect, why is it so reflective?

I guess we may have to rethink about Pioneer's so called greatness. It could be some paid foreign journalist who has given a great review and we Msians just echo the same words.

I own a Pioneer and it gives the same quality as a Panasonic.
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[quote=michaeltan1943,Jul 10 2009, 06:04 PM]
[quote=lightning69,Jul 10 2009, 04:41 PM]
I was at SenQ 2 days ago and saw a Pioneer Kuro there. I check out the screen and the refelction is just as bad as the panasonic. But why no one complaint about the Kuro?
Agree with you totally. The KRP is as reflective as the Panasonic. I have pointed this out before but still people keep on talking that it is so great and perfect.

If it is perfect, why is it so reflective?

I guess we may have to rethink about Pioneer's so called greatness. It could be some paid foreign journalist who has given a great review and we Msians just echo the same words.

I own a Pioneer and it gives the same quality as a Panasonic.
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Plasma definitely gives better black and white and that can improves image quality considerably, but this advantages quickly disappear if you are watching in a room with strong backlight or bright light source that directly reflect on the tv screen.




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[quote=lightning69,Jul 10 2009, 04:41 PM]
I was at SenQ 2 days ago and saw a Pioneer Kuro there. I check out the screen and the refelction is just as bad as the panasonic. But why no one complaint about the Kuro?
Agree with you totally. The KRP is as reflective as the Panasonic. I have pointed this out before but still people keep on talking that it is so great and perfect.

If it is perfect, why is it so reflective?

I guess we may have to rethink about Pioneer's so called greatness. It could be some paid foreign journalist who has given a great review and we Msians just echo the same words.

I own a Pioneer and it gives the same quality as a Panasonic.
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Yeah rite. Saw 50S10 side by side with 42S10 in Harvey Norman just now.
It was awesome for the price...(at least for peasant like me)
Personally I would say S10 is good enuf as today's technology is tomorrow's junk.

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jul 10 2009, 10:58 PM)
Yeah rite. Saw 50S10 side by side with 42S10 in Harvey Norman just now.
It was awesome for the price...(at least for peasant like me)
Personally I would say S10 is good enuf as today's technology is tomorrow's junk.
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So from your point of view, 50S10 is better than 42S10?

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So from your point of view, 50S10 is better than 42S10?
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Its definitely better with bigger screen size. What makes it even better is the price....where can you find another 50" full HD screen at this price. what more to say this is pana plasma! not any chap ayam china brand.
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Are you blind?
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QUOTE(WereWolf84 @ Jul 10 2009, 11:03 PM)
So from your point of view, 50S10 is better than 42S10?
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Its definitely better with bigger screen size.  What makes it even better is the price....where can you find another 50" full HD screen at this price. what more to say this is pana plasma! not any chap ayam china brand.
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At the mean time, I would stay with 42S10 first.
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big is better...

70inches would be just nice tongue.gif just the price not so nice..
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Weighting the price Vs performance, 50S10 ain't bad @ 5.5k
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Weighting the price Vs performance, 50S10 ain't bad @ 5.5k
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It would be nice if we could have the first buyer to share user review of this new best value Full HD plasma.
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Weighting the price Vs performance, 50S10 ain't bad @ 5.5k
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htkaki is 5.6k rite?
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Ya Bro, that's cheap man? Who da seller?
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 10 2009, 06:04 PM)

If it is perfect, why is it so reflective?

I guess we may have to rethink about Pioneer's so called greatness. It could be some paid foreign journalist who has given a great review and we Msians just echo the same words.

I own a Pioneer and it gives the same quality as a Panasonic.
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Thank god you did not pay the full price for the Pioneer, else you would be kicking urself in the back side since you feel the Panny is the same quality.
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yup, lucky me. Even if I had lots of money, I would never pay the full price of a Pioneer. I rather give to a charity home than buy an overpriced tv
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wow 5.5k.. who's selling at that price? nice!!  thumbup.gif

htkaki is 5.6k rite?
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What is the best price in Penang?
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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ Jul 13 2009, 03:09 PM)
In Penang, can't able to buy at this price 5.6k. I'm waiting for price to drop.
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By the time it gets really cheap, then a new plasma tv pops up with enhancements / improvements. The catch is (as always) higher price than the outgoing model. Wait again til the price drops? hmm.gif

Not trying to hard sell but I sort of agree with lightning69's comment.


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What is the best price in Penang?
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jul 13 2009, 04:28 PM)
By the time it gets really cheap, then a new plasma tv pops up with enhancements / improvements. The catch is (as always) higher price than the outgoing model. Wait again til the price drops?  hmm.gif 

Not trying to hard sell but I sort of agree with lightning69's comment.
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I agree with u. But what I mean is I hope the price in Penang will be same as your price, then should be good enuff.


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Pioneer KURO 55" FULL HD in Singapore is ONLY S$6,000/ cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif rclxub.gif

Aaaiyoh, dollar for dollar these Singaporeans have a luxurious model at affordable price compared to our earning power man!!.. So u can just guess how much the Pana costs here!! I didn't even bother asking after hearing the price of the KURO yawn.gif
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FYI...just received a quote for P50S10K + BD60 = rm6690
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QUOTE(mysai @ Jul 13 2009, 09:00 PM)
Pioneer KURO 55" FULL HD in Singapore is ONLY S$6,000/  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  rclxub.gif

Aaaiyoh, dollar for dollar these Singaporeans have a luxurious model at affordable price compared to our earning power man!!.. So u can just guess how much the Pana costs here!!  I didn't even bother asking after hearing the price of the KURO yawn.gif
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FYI...just received a quote for P50S10K + BD60 = rm6690
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Bro, this quote from Penang? From which shop?
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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ Jul 13 2009, 05:08 PM)
P50S10K = rm6399 in Penang


Added on July 13, 2009, 5:13 pm

I agree with u. But what I mean is I hope the price in Penang will be same as your price, then should be good enuff.
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The last time I "almost" bought the 50S10 for RM5600 but only to discover that the seller made a mistake and deliver the 50X10 instead. Since then I have been trying to get the 50S10 but nobody in Sarawak got stock and the price is Rm6350 from SenQ and RM6000 from outside shop.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 11 2009, 05:38 PM)
Thank god you did not pay the full price for the Pioneer, else you would be kicking urself in the back side since you feel the Panny is the same quality.
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very true.. if u feel a panny is same as kuro then get the panny coz its a lot cheaper, if u feel lcd is better then buy a lcd.. there is no need to rely too much on reviews.. if u feel that plasma is better yet your house will be bright all the time then get a lcd.. nobody lied abt the kuro.. it wasnt known as 'best tv in a bright environment' .. Michaeltan i am not sure where u viewed the kuro but when i tried in anfieldude's house it was clearly better than the pannies that i have seen.. but just like speakers, amps n cables if u cant hear the diff between an expensive and a cheap 1 then it is certainly good news rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(mys_terious @ Jul 14 2009, 09:36 PM)
Michaeltan i am not sure where u viewed the kuro but when i tried in anfieldude's house it was clearly better than the pannies that i have seen.. 
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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Jul 14 2009, 11:47 AM)
Bro, this quote from Penang? From which shop?
↲Penang CSH at QB Mall got Panny promo, quoted P50S10K rm5750 with free hdmi and wall bracket, 5yrs Panasonic warranty. Very tempted,last day offer today.
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Wah, this is very good deal... some more free wall bracket which may cost RM280.

But I still cannot decide yet, too bad it is such a short promo period
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i am quite confident that the 50S will fall to below RM5000 soon. Now economic downturn, where people got money to spend.
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i am quite confident that the 50S will fall to below RM5000 soon. Now economic downturn, where people got money to spend.
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Yup ,agree...I think the P50S10 most likely will below 5k during promotion for Raya or Christmas
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Booked mine yesterday with Best Denki at One U . They were having some promotion going on through the weekend .

Paid RM 6899.00 for 50S10K + FOC New Model Panasonic Blue Ray Player ( Not sure whether BD60 or not - Got to check the receipt ) + FOC One Unit HDMI Cable . Panasonic is giving out 2 years warranty only for 50S10K .

They are delivering it next Tuesday ....... Hopefully in good condition and without any problem !

Thought of waiting for the price to go down, but had no more patience left . Waited for so long already ! Furthermore, don't think that waiting until the price drops down is a wise option . The more we wait with high expectations, the more dissapointed we become !

Personally think that the whole package is reasonably priced !

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QUOTE(Ah Wing @ Jul 20 2009, 02:14 PM)
Booked mine yesterday with Best Denki at One U . They were having some promotion going on through the weekend .

Paid RM 6899.00 for 50S10K + FOC New Model Panasonic Blue Ray Player ( Not sure whether BD60 or not - Got to check the receipt ) + FOC One Unit HDMI Cable . Panasonic is giving out 2 years warranty only for 50S10K .

They are delivering it next Tuesday ....... Hopefully in good condition and without any problem !

Thought of waiting for the price to go down, but had no more patience left . Waited for so long already ! Furthermore, don't think that waiting until the price drops down is a wise option . The more we wait with high expectations, the more dissapointed we become !

Personally think that the whole package is reasonably priced !
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Good for you, hope u enjoy many hours of viewing pleasure.
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congrats...
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So far no luck getting the 50S10 yet. Non of the shop carry them yet. SenQ salesman say they will not carry it because 50" full HD plasma is not popular and tv above Rm5000 is not hot seller! Then he try to sell me the more expensive LED samsung tv....what kind of bullshit is he trying to tell me!


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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 20 2009, 04:40 PM)
So far no luck getting the 50S10 yet.  Non of the shop carry them yet.  SenQ salesman say they will not carry it because 50" full HD plasma is not popular and tv above Rm5000 is not hot seller!  Then he try to sell me the more expensive LED samsung tv....what kind of bullshit is he trying to tell me!
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But I have to admit that the LEDsamsung LCD is indeed beautiful. The picture quality is amazing.

I think I have to wait 1 more month until my trip back home and hopefully by then the 50S10 will be readily available everywhere.
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Panasonic would sell in volumes if price drops to RM4999. It is a psychological thing, most Malaysians think that, other than cars and houses, anything above RM5000 is a big commitment.

Thus, once it touches RM5000, people won't think twice and just grab one.
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Bros,

After months of researching and stare-ing for hours at LCD/Plasma TV. Last weekend was in the mood to buy the Panasonic THP50S. Cheapest I have found is the shop opposite Carrefour Kepong, same road as the stand alone KFC Kepong. I think the shop's name was Wing Heng or Weng Hing or something. Just go over to Kepong and check it yourself and look for the Boss name Peter.

Anyways, the price for the Panny THP50S is RM5300/- rclxms.gif

Was almost putting down my money on it but needed to check Desa Home Theatre Kepong as my final destination to check prices after went everywhere lah.

In the end I ended up with a Philips LCD Full HD 52inch PFL5403 clearing stock brand new for Rm 6299 with 3 year warranty and 1 year insurance.

Have compared the Panny 50X vs Panny 50S vs Philips 52 PFL5403 vs Samsung 52 8 series vs Sony 52 W series

The glare on the Panny 50X was ridiculously terrible , the Panny 50S is better at least half less glare but still glaring.(Best for evening /night /darker room viewing) Still value for money.

The philips in the other hand was equal on Astro and better than the panny when HD content was played hence I purchase it with great expectation and in addition no glare. Again I'm the type of person who has 5X1 Terrabyte external hard drive of HD Movie etc contents and my living room has a lot of windows.

The Samsung and Sony is a lil bit bitter by around 15% when fast movement was involve but their prices are well over RM8K.

The PFL5403 is a phasing out model and going to be replaced by the 5409s. Original Price for the 52" 5403 Philips was Over RM10,000++ last year with 1 year warranty.

Give the Philips 52PFL5403 a consideration and demo before purchasing the Panny 50S. Its the mid level model, 2 inch bigger than the panny and seriously flares better in HD content plus its a LCD. The downside thing is, its RM999 more expensive, Philips branding and advertising is not as strong in M'sia(Not glamor) and you will raise some eyebrows on people who thinks they know all about buying a plasma/LCD. Its just like buying an Audi... laugh.gif At least we dont see about re-sale value here...

If you're the type who watch Astro more, go ahead buy the panny 50S with confidence.
Either way, for now the Panny 50s Plasma and the Philips 52PFL5403 is the best value for Plasma and LCD.

Reviews for the Philips I found so Far:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0...3496398p,00.htm
http://asia.cnet.com/tags/philips-47pfl5403/


Word of advice, please insist for the shop to bring out the stock from their store and write down the serial number of the particular unit they bring out after you check the box. On the invoice as well record down the serial number. With that at least you know that a particular unit is available for you before delivery. At least you also feel better that they would not give you the unit on their showroom wall or do a "Legend" on you thumbup.gif


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So far no luck getting the 50S10 yet.  Non of the shop carry them yet.  SenQ salesman say they will not carry it because 50" full HD plasma is not popular and tv above Rm5000 is not hot seller!  Then he try to sell me the more expensive LED samsung tv....what kind of bullshit is he trying to tell me!
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Lightning69,

Dont fall into their tricks bro, Typical Miri-ian Sales man... They will try to sumpit you, then chop your head like a headhunter, cincang you and lastly roast you while drinking tuak to close you and for you to fork out your hard earnned the money.

Any chance you have a 4X4? Always can go over to Brunei to Kuala Belait to buy your 50" Tv. Mayb its cheaper you'll never know.

I miss Miri mee merah la wei... Anyways, how's your AV getting along??? not going to upgrade from your CHT12R to a SVS PC12NSD or Plus? drool.gif

Will complement the New Philips with the PC12NSD sub once it has arrive in KEC Sg. I will be driving over to Singapore to smuggle the sub back to KL end of Aug. I hear last Sunday with SVS Ron was good. Read about it here: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=64111.195


By the way, I'm an ex St. Joseph school / Pujut 1 Boy thumbup.gif

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Bro,

for the record, lightning bought PC-12Plus and he will bve going to Brunei to collect it back along with a 'new' ride.
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QUOTE(bongbo @ Jul 21 2009, 01:41 AM)
Bros,

After months of researching and stare-ing for hours at LCD/Plasma TV. Last weekend was in the mood to buy the Panasonic THP50S. Cheapest I have found is the shop opposite Carrefour Kepong, same road as the stand alone KFC Kepong. I think the shop's name was Wing Heng or Weng Hing or something. Just go over to Kepong and check it yourself and look for the Boss name Peter.

Anyways, the price for the Panny THP50S is RM5300/-  rclxms.gif

Was almost putting down my money on it but needed to check Desa Home Theatre Kepong as my final destination to check prices after went everywhere lah.

In the end I ended up with a Philips LCD Full HD 52inch PFL5403 clearing stock brand new for Rm 6299 with  3 year warranty and 1 year insurance.

Have compared the Panny 50X vs Panny 50S vs Philips 52 PFL5403 vs Samsung 52 8 series vs Sony 52 W series

The glare on the Panny 50X was ridiculously terrible , the Panny 50S is better at least half less glare but still glaring.(Best for evening /night /darker room viewing) Still value for money.

The philips in the other hand was equal on Astro and  better than the panny when HD content was played hence I purchase it with great expectation and in addition no glare. Again I'm the type of person who has 5X1 Terrabyte external hard drive of HD Movie etc contents and my living room has a lot of windows.

The Samsung and Sony is a lil bit bitter by around 15% when fast movement was involve but their prices are well over RM8K.

The PFL5403 is a phasing out model and going to be replaced by the 5409s. Original Price for the 52" 5403 Philips was Over RM10,000++ last year with 1 year warranty.

Give the Philips 52PFL5403 a consideration and demo before purchasing the Panny 50S.  Its the mid level model, 2 inch bigger than the panny and seriously flares better in HD content plus its a LCD. The downside thing is, its RM999 more expensive, Philips branding and advertising is not as strong in M'sia(Not glamor) and you will raise some eyebrows on people who thinks they know all about buying a plasma/LCD. Its just like buying an Audi...  laugh.gif At least we dont see about re-sale value here...

If you're the type who watch Astro more, go ahead buy the panny 50S with confidence.
Either way, for now the Panny 50s Plasma and the Philips 52PFL5403  is the best value for Plasma and LCD.

Reviews for the Philips I found so Far:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0...3496398p,00.htm
http://asia.cnet.com/tags/philips-47pfl5403/
Word of advice, please insist for the shop to bring out the stock from their store and write down the serial number of the particular unit they bring out after you check the box. On the invoice as well record down the serial number. With that at least you know that a particular unit is available for you before delivery. At least you also feel better that they would not give you the unit on their showroom wall or do a "Legend" on you thumbup.gif


Added on July 21, 2009, 2:03 am

Lightning69,

Dont fall into their tricks bro, Typical Miri-ian Sales man... They will try to sumpit you, then chop your head like a headhunter, cincang you and lastly roast you while drinking tuak to close you and for you to fork out your hard earnned the money.

Any chance you have a 4X4? Always can go over to Brunei to Kuala Belait to buy your 50" Tv. Mayb its cheaper you'll never know.

I miss Miri mee merah la wei... Anyways, how's your AV getting along??? not going to upgrade from your CHT12R to a SVS PC12NSD or Plus? drool.gif 

Will complement the New Philips with the PC12NSD sub once it has arrive in KEC Sg. I will be driving over to Singapore to smuggle the sub back to KL end of Aug. I hear last Sunday with SVS Ron was good. Read about it here: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=64111.195
By the way, I'm an ex St. Joseph school /  Pujut 1 Boy  thumbup.gif
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Hi. Very good write up and comparison between those TVs. Really informative and helpful for those looking for a new TV. Btw, how did you do the comparison between those TVs? Is it a side by side comparison with the same source? Just asking because its pretty interesting to see someone choosing an LCD over a plasma TV as plasma usually gives better picture due to better blacks and color. I think the latest pana plasma is a bit disappointing due to the poor anti-reflective coating and also the in-accurate color reported by many reviewers.

I don't have a 4x4 but i do have a mpv and i did check out the price of pana in brunei and i think they are more expensive than Miri.


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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 21 2009, 10:35 AM)
Hi.  Very good write up and comparison between those TVs.  Really informative and helpful for those looking for a new TV.  Btw, how did you do the comparison between those TVs? Is it a side by side comparison with the same source?  Just asking because its pretty interesting to see someone choosing an LCD over a plasma TV as plasma usually gives better picture due to better blacks and color.  I think the latest pana plasma is a bit disappointing due to the poor anti-reflective coating and also the in-accurate color reported by many reviewers.

I don't have a 4x4 but i do have a mpv and i did check out the price of pana in brunei and i think they are more expensive than Miri.
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I actually want to add one piece of advise, do not make your decision on the picture quality based on showroom floor. If possible, some showrooms have dedicated lower lit rooms, they are more representive of your living room.
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I actually want to add one piece of advise, do not make your decision on the picture quality based on showroom floor. If possible, some showrooms have dedicated lower lit rooms, they are more representive of your living room.
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I do agree with you that most showroom are pretty bright, but from what I see there is really no escape from reflection even in our homes especially living room as most living room are bright and most living room wall are white color too. That is the biggest drawback of plasma tv as the reflection can take away all the benefits of a plasma screen like deep blacks becomes white wall and even seeing yourself on the screen!
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 21 2009, 12:36 PM)
I do agree with you that most showroom are pretty bright, but from what I see there is really no escape from reflection even in our homes especially living room as most living room are bright and most living room wall are white color too.  That is the biggest drawback of plasma tv as the reflection can take away all the benefits of a plasma screen like deep blacks becomes white wall and even seeing yourself on the screen!
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Yes, especially if you watch movies in high ambient lighting environment, this is a drawback.

However, I watch Astro in a normal living room environment, I do not see major issues with this when viewing content.
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QUOTE(bongbo @ Jul 21 2009, 01:41 AM)
Bros,

After months of researching and stare-ing for hours at LCD/Plasma TV. Last weekend was in the mood to buy the Panasonic THP50S. Cheapest I have found is the shop opposite Carrefour Kepong, same road as the stand alone KFC Kepong. I think the shop's name was Wing Heng or Weng Hing or something. Just go over to Kepong and check it yourself and look for the Boss name Peter.

Anyways, the price for the Panny THP50S is RM5300/-  rclxms.gif

Was almost putting down my money on it but needed to check Desa Home Theatre Kepong as my final destination to check prices after went everywhere lah.

In the end I ended up with a Philips LCD Full HD 52inch PFL5403 clearing stock brand new for Rm 6299 with  3 year warranty and 1 year insurance.

Have compared the Panny 50X vs Panny 50S vs Philips 52 PFL5403 vs Samsung 52 8 series vs Sony 52 W series

The glare on the Panny 50X was ridiculously terrible , the Panny 50S is better at least half less glare but still glaring.(Best for evening /night /darker room viewing) Still value for money.

The philips in the other hand was equal on Astro and  better than the panny when HD content was played hence I purchase it with great expectation and in addition no glare. Again I'm the type of person who has 5X1 Terrabyte external hard drive of HD Movie etc contents and my living room has a lot of windows.

The Samsung and Sony is a lil bit bitter by around 15% when fast movement was involve but their prices are well over RM8K.

The PFL5403 is a phasing out model and going to be replaced by the 5409s. Original Price for the 52" 5403 Philips was Over RM10,000++ last year with 1 year warranty.

Give the Philips 52PFL5403 a consideration and demo before purchasing the Panny 50S.  Its the mid level model, 2 inch bigger than the panny and seriously flares better in HD content plus its a LCD. The downside thing is, its RM999 more expensive, Philips branding and advertising is not as strong in M'sia(Not glamor) and you will raise some eyebrows on people who thinks they know all about buying a plasma/LCD. Its just like buying an Audi...  laugh.gif At least we dont see about re-sale value here...

If you're the type who watch Astro more, go ahead buy the panny 50S with confidence.
Either way, for now the Panny 50s Plasma and the Philips 52PFL5403  is the best value for Plasma and LCD.

Reviews for the Philips I found so Far:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0...3496398p,00.htm
http://asia.cnet.com/tags/philips-47pfl5403/
Word of advice, please insist for the shop to bring out the stock from their store and write down the serial number of the particular unit they bring out after you check the box. On the invoice as well record down the serial number. With that at least you know that a particular unit is available for you before delivery. At least you also feel better that they would not give you the unit on their showroom wall or do a "Legend" on you thumbup.gif


Added on July 21, 2009, 2:03 am

Lightning69,

Dont fall into their tricks bro, Typical Miri-ian Sales man... They will try to sumpit you, then chop your head like a headhunter, cincang you and lastly roast you while drinking tuak to close you and for you to fork out your hard earnned the money.

Any chance you have a 4X4? Always can go over to Brunei to Kuala Belait to buy your 50" Tv. Mayb its cheaper you'll never know.

I miss Miri mee merah la wei... Anyways, how's your AV getting along??? not going to upgrade from your CHT12R to a SVS PC12NSD or Plus? drool.gif 

Will complement the New Philips with the PC12NSD sub once it has arrive in KEC Sg. I will be driving over to Singapore to smuggle the sub back to KL end of Aug. I hear last Sunday with SVS Ron was good. Read about it here: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=64111.195
By the way, I'm an ex St. Joseph school /  Pujut 1 Boy  thumbup.gif
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I was checking out this Philips LCD model too at Best denki . The price is not far different from Pana 50S10K .

However my wife didn't like it . They were playing some movies ( Terminator Salvation & Pink Panther 2 ) at that time and it looks like we were watching a documentary or something . Got to agree with her on that too . It didn't feel like we are watching a real movie at all even though the picture quality and colour contrast were superb .

Finally decided to take the Panny instead biggrin.gif

Anyway bro, I am a person who believes in different people having different preference / taste . So believe that you have made a good choice in getting the Philips LCD coz its very a good model and reasonably priced too thumbup.gif


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But I have to admit that the LEDsamsung LCD is indeed beautiful.  The picture quality is amazing. 

I think I have to wait 1 more month until my trip back home and hopefully by then the 50S10 will be readily available everywhere.
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Bros,

After months of researching and stare-ing for hours at LCD/Plasma TV. Last weekend was in the mood to buy the Panasonic THP50S. Cheapest I have found is the shop opposite Carrefour Kepong, same road as the stand alone KFC Kepong. I think the shop's name was Wing Heng or Weng Hing or something. Just go over to Kepong and check it yourself and look for the Boss name Peter.
YUP, this kepong store is cheap...
i bought most of my home appliance from there although my house in ampang rclxms.gif
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Hi.  Very good write up and comparison between those TVs.  Really informative and helpful for those looking for a new TV.  Btw, how did you do the comparison between those TVs? Is it a side by side comparison with the same source?
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Lightning,

For the past 4 months while saving up hard earned cash and eating Maggie mee almost every day,
I have been to over 20 places like all the Harvey in central, Best, Onking, Legend, HSL, Jusco & other shops and warehouse sales where they display the Plasma & LCD Tvs. And yes some of the places do have side by side comparison and experience firsthand on different condition of lights and requested the shop to put in 3 types of source. Astro/Normal DVD/HD content… Condition was in nice comfy showrooms til to under the tent at a warehouse sale.

Don’t get me wrong, the panny is fantastic if your source is mainly astro and for movies with standard definition under low light condition. When it comes to HD source, the Philips was one level up, astro & black contrast is at par with the Panny. The only thing is the Panasonic on standard definition is better if you buy a standard RM8 DVD from your nearest Ah Siong DVD seller.

To sum up for an typical Malaysian from my own point of view after staring for hours at Plasma & LCD :

Go for the Panasonic VIERA TH-P50S10K if you:

1) Have a collection of RM8 (KL/SEL), RM4(Penang), RM5 (JB) pirated DVD movies
2) Have a dark room or watch mostly in the evening or at night
3) Have a budget of only RM5000 +/-
4) Are a Panasonic fan and you feel that Panasonic is a proven brand from your own other Panasonic appliances experience .

Go for the Philips 52” LCD 5403 if you:

1) Love something bigger
2) Hates refection regardless room is brighter or darker
3) Have Blue-ray, HD source collection / Gamer PS3 or from computer source (No burn in effect)
4) Have Rm1K additional budget from the Panny
5) Don’t mind on last year model but cheaper buy at least 40%

Overall its how you use your TV and budget.

Good luck thumbup.gif
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Lightning,

For the past 4 months while saving up hard earned cash and eating Maggie mee almost every day,
I have been to over 20 places like all the Harvey in central, Best, Onking, Legend, HSL, Jusco & other shops and warehouse sales where they display the Plasma & LCD Tvs. And yes some of the places do have side by side comparison  and experience firsthand on different condition of lights and requested the shop to put in 3 types of source. Astro/Normal DVD/HD content… Condition was in nice comfy showrooms til to under the tent at a warehouse sale.

Don’t get me wrong, the panny is fantastic if your source is mainly astro and for movies with standard definition under low light condition. When it comes to HD source, the Philips was one level up, astro & black contrast is at par with the Panny. The only thing is the Panasonic on standard definition is better if you buy a standard  RM8 DVD from your nearest Ah Siong DVD seller. 

To sum up for an typical  Malaysian from my own point of view after staring for hours at Plasma & LCD :

Go for the Panasonic VIERA TH-P50S10K if you:

1) Have a collection of RM8 (KL/SEL), RM4(Penang), RM5 (JB) pirated DVD movies
2) Have a dark room or watch mostly in the evening or at night
3) Have a budget of only RM5000 +/-
4) Are a Panasonic fan and you feel that Panasonic is a proven brand from your own other Panasonic appliances experience .

Go for the Philips 52” LCD 5403 if you:

1) Love something bigger
2) Hates refection regardless room is brighter or darker
3) Have Blue-ray, HD source collection / Gamer PS3 or from computer source (No burn in effect)
4) Have Rm1K additional budget from the Panny
5) Don’t mind on last year model but cheaper buy at least 40%

Overall its how you use your TV and budget.

Good luck thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bongbo @ Jul 21 2009, 04:36 PM)
Lightning,

For the past 4 months while saving up hard earned cash and eating Maggie mee almost every day,
I have been to over 20 places like all the Harvey in central, Best, Onking, Legend, HSL, Jusco & other shops and warehouse sales where they display the Plasma & LCD Tvs. And yes some of the places do have side by side comparison  and experience firsthand on different condition of lights and requested the shop to put in 3 types of source. Astro/Normal DVD/HD content… Condition was in nice comfy showrooms til to under the tent at a warehouse sale.

Don’t get me wrong, the panny is fantastic if your source is mainly astro and for movies with standard definition under low light condition. When it comes to HD source, the Philips was one level up, astro & black contrast is at par with the Panny. The only thing is the Panasonic on standard definition is better if you buy a standard  RM8 DVD from your nearest Ah Siong DVD seller. 

To sum up for an typical  Malaysian from my own point of view after staring for hours at Plasma & LCD :

Go for the Panasonic VIERA TH-P50S10K if you:

1) Have a collection of RM8 (KL/SEL), RM4(Penang), RM5 (JB) pirated DVD movies
2) Have a dark room or watch mostly in the evening or at night
3) Have a budget of only RM5000 +/-
4) Are a Panasonic fan and you feel that Panasonic is a proven brand from your own other Panasonic appliances experience .

Go for the Philips 52” LCD 5403 if you:

1) Love something bigger
2) Hates refection regardless room is brighter or darker
3) Have Blue-ray, HD source collection / Gamer PS3 or from computer source (No burn in effect)
4) Have Rm1K additional budget from the Panny
5) Don’t mind on last year model but cheaper buy at least 40%

Overall its how you use your TV and budget.

Good luck thumbup.gif
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Maybe the air in the east is different, or placebo effect since you stare too long on those TVs. rclxub.gif

Weird because I have the money, I have 100 original blu-ray titles and almost 15TB of mkv, I love watching movies even though it is in the morning or afternoon during weekends and in the end I choose S10 over the Philips. Did I also mention that the black level on S10 is better than that Philips - thus resulting in better PQ. I also have a kid at home, I choose plasma because of the hard coated and solid surface. I notice reflection on LCD too, just because of the matte finish doesn't meant it wont' have reflection.

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Maybe the air in the east is different, or placebo effect since you stare too long on those TVs. rclxub.gif

Weird because I have the money, I have 100 original blu-ray titles and almost 15TB of mkv, I love watching movies even though it is in the morning or afternoon during weekends and in the end I choose S10 over the Philips. Did I also mention that the black level on S10 is better than that Philips - thus resulting in better PQ. I also have a kid at home, I choose plasma because of the hard coated and solid surface. I notice reflection on LCD too, just because of the matte finish doesn't meant it wont' have reflection.
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How do you store them up? Can give some guide here. thumbup.gif
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Maybe the air in the east is different, or placebo effect since you stare too long on those TVs. rclxub.gif

Weird because I have the money, I have 100 original blu-ray titles and almost 15TB of mkv, I love watching movies even though it is in the morning or afternoon during weekends and in the end I choose S10 over the Philips. Did I also mention that the black level on S10 is better than that Philips - thus resulting in better PQ. I also have a kid at home, I choose plasma because of the hard coated and solid surface. I notice reflection on LCD too, just because of the matte finish doesn't meant it wont' have reflection.
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QUOTE(bongbo @ Jul 21 2009, 01:41 AM)
Bros,

After months of researching and stare-ing for hours at LCD/Plasma TV. Last weekend was in the mood to buy the Panasonic THP50S. Cheapest I have found is the shop opposite Carrefour Kepong, same road as the stand alone KFC Kepong. I think the shop's name was Wing Heng or Weng Hing or something. Just go over to Kepong and check it yourself and look for the Boss name Peter.

Anyways, the price for the Panny THP50S is RM5300/-  rclxms.gif

Was almost putting down my money on it but needed to check Desa Home Theatre Kepong as my final destination to check prices after went everywhere lah.

In the end I ended up with a Philips LCD Full HD 52inch PFL5403 clearing stock brand new for Rm 6299 with  3 year warranty and 1 year insurance.

Have compared the Panny 50X vs Panny 50S vs Philips 52 PFL5403 vs Samsung 52 8 series vs Sony 52 W series

The glare on the Panny 50X was ridiculously terrible , the Panny 50S is better at least half less glare but still glaring.(Best for evening /night /darker room viewing) Still value for money.

The philips in the other hand was equal on Astro and  better than the panny when HD content was played hence I purchase it with great expectation and in addition no glare. Again I'm the type of person who has 5X1 Terrabyte external hard drive of HD Movie etc contents and my living room has a lot of windows.

The Samsung and Sony is a lil bit bitter by around 15% when fast movement was involve but their prices are well over RM8K.

The PFL5403 is a phasing out model and going to be replaced by the 5409s. Original Price for the 52" 5403 Philips was Over RM10,000++ last year with 1 year warranty.

Give the Philips 52PFL5403 a consideration and demo before purchasing the Panny 50S.  Its the mid level model, 2 inch bigger than the panny and seriously flares better in HD content plus its a LCD. The downside thing is, its RM999 more expensive, Philips branding and advertising is not as strong in M'sia(Not glamor) and you will raise some eyebrows on people who thinks they know all about buying a plasma/LCD. Its just like buying an Audi...  laugh.gif At least we dont see about re-sale value here...

If you're the type who watch Astro more, go ahead buy the panny 50S with confidence.
Either way, for now the Panny 50s Plasma and the Philips 52PFL5403  is the best value for Plasma and LCD.

Reviews for the Philips I found so Far:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0...3496398p,00.htm
http://asia.cnet.com/tags/philips-47pfl5403/
Word of advice, please insist for the shop to bring out the stock from their store and write down the serial number of the particular unit they bring out after you check the box. On the invoice as well record down the serial number. With that at least you know that a particular unit is available for you before delivery. At least you also feel better that they would not give you the unit on their showroom wall or do a "Legend" on you thumbup.gif


Added on July 21, 2009, 2:03 am

Lightning69,

Dont fall into their tricks bro, Typical Miri-ian Sales man... They will try to sumpit you, then chop your head like a headhunter, cincang you and lastly roast you while drinking tuak to close you and for you to fork out your hard earnned the money.

Any chance you have a 4X4? Always can go over to Brunei to Kuala Belait to buy your 50" Tv. Mayb its cheaper you'll never know.

I miss Miri mee merah la wei... Anyways, how's your AV getting along??? not going to upgrade from your CHT12R to a SVS PC12NSD or Plus? drool.gif 

Will complement the New Philips with the PC12NSD sub once it has arrive in KEC Sg. I will be driving over to Singapore to smuggle the sub back to KL end of Aug. I hear last Sunday with SVS Ron was good. Read about it here: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=64111.195
By the way, I'm an ex St. Joseph school /  Pujut 1 Boy  thumbup.gif
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you guys from Miri arr , use to go there sometime , nice and peaceful city and nice food there too . the ngau chap mee is nice so is the char kwe teow at old pasar .
good choice on philips 52'' 5403 at that price with 3 yrs warranty . i was actually hoping 52'' 9703 or 7403 prices to fall soon and then grap . one thing good about philips is that its power consumption are lower compare to other brand of similar screen size

on longer terms , saving on maintenance counts especially on big size screen and more so since TNB gonna increase its tariffs

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I have sent you the map to the place in Kepong where you can find the RM5.3K Panny 50s. Happy shopping!
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Got it bro. Thanks. It's very detailed and useful.
Will scout for it this weekend since I dont have another 1k to spare laugh.gif
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Got it bro. Thanks. It's very detailed and useful.
Will scout for it this weekend since I dont have another 1k to spare  laugh.gif
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Got it bro. Thanks. It's very detailed and useful.
Will scout for it this weekend since I dont have another 1k to spare  laugh.gif
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Wah! ronaldjoe bro, you adi have two P42S10 and you still hunting for P50S10? so rich sweat.gif
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Wah! ronaldjoe bro, you adi have two P42S10 and you still hunting for P50S10? so rich  sweat.gif
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I am just now peasant...bro
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No dedicated HT room for peasant, so no no to projector...
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QUOTE(bongbo @ Jul 21 2009, 11:23 PM)
Bro, The Panasonic THP50S10K is a fantastic buy at the price. Just have your curtains down if you have windows behind you.
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Feels funny to have the curtains down whole morning or afternoon. Nothing like natural light into the house.


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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jul 21 2009, 07:51 PM)
Wahhh bro u got 15TB of mkv...  shocking.gif
How do you store them up? Can give some guide here.  thumbup.gif
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A 1TB Buffalo External now cost RM330. So, RM330 x 15 = RM4950, just to store those files.

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Feels funny to have the curtains down whole morning or afternoon. Nothing like natural light into the house.


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A 1TB Buffalo External now cost RM330. So, RM330 x 15 = RM4950, just to store those files.
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google FreeNAS for NAS setup..
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Guess this freeNAS would suit me more thumbup.gif
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Feels funny to have the curtains down whole morning or afternoon. Nothing like natural light into the house.


Added on July 22, 2009, 8:34 am
A 1TB Buffalo External now cost RM330. So, RM330 x 15 = RM4950, just to store those files.
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Maxtor External 1TB only RM329 at Viewnet LYP
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Viewnet sells it for RM329 infact.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/priceguide/...fid=42660&cat=1


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Maxtor External 1TB only RM329 at Viewnet LYP
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Very true, WD quality is the best. Nobody beats it. But nowadays, people seem to be going for Buffalo Mini series as it is fully Made in Japan.

Is it higher quality since it is Made in Japan?
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everyone here supports plasma. Why be stupid and buy a 52 inch full hd lcd for 12,000 when you can buy a 50 inch full hd panasonic for RM5500?
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everyone here supports plasma. Why be stupid and buy a 52 inch full hd lcd for 12,000 when you can buy a 50 inch full hd panasonic for RM5500?
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 22 2009, 09:24 PM)
everyone here supports plasma. Why be stupid and buy a 52 inch full hd lcd for 12,000 when you can buy a 50 inch full hd panasonic for RM5500?
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Its not stupid if you got money and like the 12k lcd rather than that over reflective panny plasma screen or the cheaper panny lcd. Its a matter of preference smile.gif

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Its not stupid if you got money and like the 12k lcd rather than that over reflective panny plasma screen or the cheaper panny lcd. Its a matter of preference smile.gif
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anggur masam? what's ur point laugh.gif
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Seriously, people's $ people's choice lah. It's their money so its their decision on what to spend it on. If it is a wise decision or not, that's another point... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Alas, there are a lot of such "stupid" ppl out there sweat.gif  .... blardy loaded blush.gif
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LCD has its own "good" mah!!!!! Not all people invested in LCD are bloody loaded lah, they are SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PEHHHHHHHHHHHH loaded. Do you agree wth me? To them, what is money????? The most important thing for them is """SHIOK""" .
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My point, some people cannot take the fact that other people got more $ to spend on a TV. biggrin.gif

Seriously, people's $ people's choice lah. It's their money so its their decision on what to spend it on. If it is a wise decision or not, that's another point... icon_rolleyes.gif
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I cannot take it you spent on a RPTV.. laugh.gif tongue.gif

cabuts..
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I cannot take it you spent on a RPTV..  laugh.gif  tongue.gif

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But now considered super peasant stuff lah. cry.gif
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Aiyah...back then in 06, my 50" LCD RPTV is 10x more elite then those 32" and 40" LCDs. cool2.gif

But now considered super peasant stuff lah. cry.gif
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then 5 years back due to no space in the store room, had to give to hairdresser FOC.. cos she arrange to self collect or else no one wanted it laugh.gif

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Ok ok my bad...50" RPTV LCD are for peasants...biggrin.gif
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Today I compared Samsung plasma (Series 6) with Pioneer 508 and Panasonic S and G series side by side.

I was shocked to see that the Samsung was far far better than the Panasonic S and even G. Infact, the Samsung was as black and same quality as the Pioneer.

The Panasonics, both S and G had blacks that were really grey if compared to the Samsung side by side.

I was so shocked as I am quite anti Samsung.

But now, I have to admit, quite reluctantly that the Samsung is really the king. In addition to that, it had so many features. One main feature was the USB slot that played avi, divx and mkv files.

I am quite shocked that by being so pro Panasonic and obsessed with Panasonic over the years, I was blinded by the fact that the Samsung is a far better plasma than this Japanese brand.

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wow... so surprised with uncle tan's comment... total 180'
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Today I compared Samsung plasma (Series 6) with Pioneer 508 and Panasonic S and G series side by side.

I was shocked to see that the Samsung was far far better than the Panasonic S and even G. Infact, the Samsung was as black and same quality as the Pioneer.

The Panasonics, both S and G had blacks that were really grey if compared to the Samsung side by side.

I was so shocked as I am quite anti Samsung.

But now, I have to admit, quite reluctantly that the Samsung is really the king. In addition to that, it had so many features. One main feature was the USB slot that played avi, divx and mkv files.

I am quite shocked that by being so pro Panasonic and obsessed with Panasonic over the years, I was blinded by the fact that the Samsung is a far better plasma than this Japanese brand.
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How much is the Samsung Series 6 plasma?
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wow... so surprised with uncle tan's comment... total 180'
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hey... he's in kuching again? smile.gif

heard ur of the fairer kind, rare in this hobby i must say... biggrin.gif
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How much is the Samsung Series 6 plasma?
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Managed to get a quote of RM6500. Full HD also
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Uncle tan.. did u mean the series 6 plasma or LCD TV?? a little confused
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 23 2009, 08:31 PM)
Today I compared Samsung plasma (Series 6) with Pioneer 508 and Panasonic S and G series side by side.

I was shocked to see that the Samsung was far far better than the Panasonic S and even G. Infact, the Samsung was as black and same quality as the Pioneer.

The Panasonics, both S and G had blacks that were really grey if compared to the Samsung side by side.

I was so shocked as I am quite anti Samsung.

But now, I have to admit, quite reluctantly that the Samsung is really the king. In addition to that, it had so many features. One main feature was the USB slot that played avi, divx and mkv files.

I am quite shocked that by being so pro Panasonic and obsessed with Panasonic over the years, I was blinded by the fact that the Samsung is a far better plasma than this Japanese brand.
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Yeah, you can include me in this category now too.
Bloody hell, the Samsung so much better than the Pana 50s anytime man. I was an anit-Samsung guy myself, but was humbled today after REALLLLLY trying to find fault with the Samsung.
I finally found a 50s and was pretty disappointed with its output. cry.gif cry.gif The 42G was much better but still no comparison to the Samsung.
Michael, where did you get the quote for the samsung if you don't mind? You can either reply here or pm me. Thanks

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mysai... plasma or LCD?
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Very true, WD quality is the best. Nobody beats it. But nowadays, people seem to be going for Buffalo Mini series as it is fully Made in Japan.

Is it higher quality since it is Made in Japan?
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buffalo make those casing.......if you extract the HDD....i have seen WD and Samsung and Hitachi's HDD in buffalo. this is at least true for those 3.5" ext buffalo
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Uncle tan.. did u mean the series 6 plasma or LCD TV?? a little confused
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Series 6 Plasma. And it is the 50 inch model. HN is doing for RM7500 with free 32 inch Samsung LCD, 5 years warranty, HDMI cable and 1080p Samsung DVD player.

Btw, the Samsung, besides producing excellent colours and PQ, it had so much lesser reflection than the Panasonic 50 S. The Panasonic unfortunately looked like a mirror.

Clearly the Koreans have overtaken the Japanese lah.

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how the samsung 6 plasma compare with it own led tv series?
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how the samsung 6 plasma compare with it own led tv series?
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Of course LED win. But LED is crazily expensive. 55 inches abt RM20k. 40 inches is about RM9999.

Not worth it for price quality ratio as new technology is always pricey.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 23 2009, 11:28 PM)
Of course LED win. But LED is crazily expensive. 55 inches abt RM20k. 40 inches is about RM9999.

Not worth it for price quality ratio as new technology is always pricey.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvo7AeTXm4&feature=related
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uncle tan,

Have you tried the Samsung with Astro broadcast? IMHO the Panny S excel with Astro compared to the Samsung.
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true what you say, Astro is best with Pana.
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Samsung L6 Plasma? I was under the impression that L4 are plasmas, the rest are LCDs...
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 23 2009, 08:31 PM)
Today I compared Samsung plasma (Series 6) with Pioneer 508 and Panasonic S and G series side by side.

I was shocked to see that the Samsung was far far better than the Panasonic S and even G. Infact, the Samsung was as black and same quality as the Pioneer.

The Panasonics, both S and G had blacks that were really grey if compared to the Samsung side by side.

I was so shocked as I am quite anti Samsung.

But now, I have to admit, quite reluctantly that the Samsung is really the king. In addition to that, it had so many features. One main feature was the USB slot that played avi, divx and mkv files.

I am quite shocked that by being so pro Panasonic and obsessed with Panasonic over the years, I was blinded by the fact that the Samsung is a far better plasma than this Japanese brand.
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This is in line with the shoot out by some calibrator I know and respect in US. I have not seen one as yet, so I cannot comment. Their ranking was Pioneer2008>Samsung Plasma2009>Panny Plasma2009>Samsung LED backlight LCD2009.

Samsung Plasma did not have lower black levels but did everything else fairly well. It has a full 3D CMS that works and can be calibrated pretty accurately. Their black levels have surpassed Panny's this year. Image retention is not that great.

I believe the 508 has slightly lower black levels than the Sammy. This cannot be seen in showroom environment, but on same feeds it is lower. Remember the 508XG is a 2007 model. The Sammy is a 2009 model. There is a lot of talk that in 2 years Sammy will improve faster than Panny on the plasma front. Their R&D is pretty aggresive.
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never really know that samsung plasma is this good as i know samsung lcd series are more of their flagship model as u can see samsung did advertised very aggressive on their LED tv series model.
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Thanks Anfieldude for your comment. I am of the strong opinion that this Samsung is the poor man's way of getting a Pioneer. I too could not believe the quality and the black involved.

If anyone want to see it, its at the Harvey Norman in Pavillion. The best part is that they put all the famous contenders side by side, namely Pioneer, this Samsung, Panasonic S,X and G.

To me, and to many people I am sure, price is very important. I would say the Samsung is same level as the KRP500, in my humble opinion. But one is less than RM7,000 and one is RM20,000. Big big difference.
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I am going Pavillion today. Would go to HN to see the TVs.
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Thanks Anfieldude for your comment. I am of the strong opinion that this Samsung is the poor man's way of getting a Pioneer. I too could not believe the quality and the black involved.

If anyone want to see it, its at the Harvey Norman in Pavillion. The best part is that they put all the famous contenders side by side, namely Pioneer, this Samsung, Panasonic S,X and G.

To me, and to many people I am sure, price is very important. I would say the Samsung is same level as the KRP500, in my humble opinion. But one is less than RM7,000 and one is RM20,000. Big big difference.
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My honest opinion is that for people who are only watching Astro, mostly pirated DVDs and are not fussy about picture quality the Panny S is more than enough. It saves u abt RM1k.

If you are a person who sees problems in shadow details, colour accuracy and yearn for the perfect picture, then spend more. The Sammy looks like the next level. And if you are even more fussy, then get the KRP. The KRP has dropped down to the RM15k level. I have seen a Panny and Pioneer 8th Gen (508XG, 428XG) calibrated to ISFccc standards and the Pioneer is much better. My eyes tell me so and so does my calibration equipment. But not everyone needs this level of accuracy. Then spend less money and be happy that you do not need the high end sets to feast your eyes.

Videophiles will always go for the best. But that is their prerogative.
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The problem with Korean brands is that they don't last long . Somewhere in between, after a while, you start experiencing problems here and there . Unlike Japanese brands which are more reliable .

I have used Sammy normal TV's before and you tend to have problem with the picture and sound quality after 2 to 3 years . So, I am very ... very careful about purchasing another Sammy again even though they look great and their price range is very reasonable .

Btw, I am fan of Pana and Sony .




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mysai... plasma or LCD?
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Sorry ronnt88, it was a LCD. But the best thing is if you adjusted its picture, contrast, brightness etc.. you will get the EXACT EFFECT OF THE PANA S50!!
So I can have a LCD + PLASMA in one, how about that? thumbup.gif
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Sorry ronnt88, it was a LCD.  But the best thing is if you adjusted its picture, contrast, brightness etc.. you will get the EXACT EFFECT OF THE PANA S50!!
So I can have a LCD + PLASMA in one, how about that? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Ah Wing @ Jul 24 2009, 02:00 PM)
The problem with Korean brands is that they don't last long . Somewhere in between, after a while, you start experiencing problems here and there . Unlike Japanese brands which are more reliable .

I have used Sammy normal TV's before and you tend to have problem with the picture and sound quality after 2 to 3 years . So, I am very ... very careful about purchasing another Sammy again even though they look great and their price range is very reasonable .

Btw, I am fan of Pana and Sony .
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Went to HN QBmall just now. RM7.5k for the Sammy with free 32", DVD and HDMI, same deal with HN KL. QBmall outlet has yet to receive their unit. They will call me when it is setup.

BTW, the first and only unit sold (till today) was in HN Pavillion on 18/07...wonder if the elite is here.

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Sammy will have 3 series of plasma models.. namely 4, 5 & 6 series...

4 is not FHD, while 5 & 6 would be the higher range. Went to QBM & SenQ Penang today, they only displayed series 4 plasma. In SenQ, the Sammy series 4 was connected to HDD... PQ is nice, can't imagine how good would series 5 & 6 be...
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Saw Samsung B650 plasma in HN just now. Side by side with Pana 50S and PY800.
50S seems greyish. Samsung B650 has black tinted glass which made it look blacker and colour of Samsung seems to be deeper compared to other. On the other hand, Pana 50S pic seems to be more natural.

Didn't expect that Samsung plasma can be that good. It wins hands down.
There is still lots of room of improvement on Panasonic plasma.
But again the reliability of Sammy plasma is questionable.
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Saw the Samsung B650 in Best Denki, they are doing 5 years warranty, free 32 inch lcd and free hdmi for RM6999 (without bargaining yet).

I have to agree with the above, quality of Panasonic would be much better and would breakdown far less. I had Korean aircons a home, every 3 months would breakdown with RM300 bill. But my Panasonic aircon, 18 years no problem.

But then again, got 5 years warranty for the plasma.




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Saw the Samsung B650 in Best Denki, they are doing 5 years warranty, free 32 inch lcd and free hdmi for RM6999 (without bargaining yet).

I have to agree with the above, quality of Panasonic would be much better and would breakdown far less. I had Korean aircons a home, every 3 months would breakdown with RM300 bill. But my Panasonic aircon, 18 years no problem.

But then again, got 5 years warranty for the plasma.
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Time to tekan HV when they call me to go see the plasma when they have set it up. brows.gif
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You are getting Sammy B650?
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Too bad no more RPTV LCDs, if not, I'd get another one. biggrin.gif
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Too bad no more RPTV LCDs, if not, I'd get another one. biggrin.gif
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Well, couldn't tahan anymore and went and got myself a Samsung PS50B650 50in plasma from HN. Went to the AV show and almost bought a Hitachi Plasma until I got him to play Ironman and it was sad.gif.
Then almost went and bought a Philips 7000 series 47". Excellent unit and was offered Rm7,100/ + HDMI.
Then something told me to reflect Ron's suggestion of HN and the samsung plasma.
Well needless to say I bit the dust when I saw all the different Plasma and the straight fact from my eye showed the Sammy's true colour, and it one word was WOW!!
And so I Paid Rm7,999/ with 5yrs warranty, FOC 32" LCD and Giraffe 1.3a HDMI cables.
Tomorrow delivery.
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QUOTE(mysai @ Jul 25 2009, 05:43 PM)
Well, couldn't tahan anymore and went and got myself a Samsung PS50B650 50in plasma from HN.  Went to the AV show and almost bought a Hitachi Plasma until I got him to play Ironman and it was sad.gif.
Then almost went and bought a Philips 7000 series 47".  Excellent unit and was offered Rm7,100/ + HDMI.
Then something told me to reflect Ron's suggestion of HN and the samsung plasma. 
Well needless to say I bit the dust when I saw all the different Plasma and the straight fact from my eye showed the Sammy's true colour, and it one word was WOW!!
And so I Paid Rm7,999/ with 5yrs warranty, FOC 32" LCD and Giraffe 1.3a HDMI cables.
Tomorrow delivery.
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u make the right choice as this is damn good deal and 5 yrs warranty mean u dont have to worry for a thing smile.gif myself also getting 46inch A950 samsung LCDTV (With LED Backlight) next month smile.gif


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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 24 2009, 09:08 PM)
that I have to agree. Even with cars, Korean brands don't last as long as Japanese brands.
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Actually do you know I have a Samsung CRTV 29" since 2000 and it has not given me any problems yet? And my son uses it in his room for PS2 games. So that TV is practically being run in at least 2hrs per day either on Astro or Games.
I did not like their LCD tv's as I was not an LCD fan until Ron told us about thier Plasma TV's and now kena racun already.

Maybe their cars sucks la.

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Some unlucky issues with 550:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....011420&page=180
However after seeing B650, I see WOW too. I put a hand brake on 50S now. A 'no' to it too.

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Looks like Sammy is setting new benchmark..... for both LCD and Plasma.....
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With all the hype about the Sammy here, can't wait to see it in person. biggrin.gif
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With all the hype about the Sammy here, can't wait to see it in person. biggrin.gif
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Almost took a plunge for B650 in HN just now. Price:
RM6299 - 1 yr warranty
RM6999 - 3 yr warranty
RM7490 - 5 yr warranty
RM7999 - 5 yr warranty + 32" LCD

*Plus delivery/CC payment/0% installment/HDMI.
Plus point over 50S: plays mkv over USB, 50,000 contrast, 600hz sub field, 'crystal' panel (same thingy that make 6 series lcd looks great than other), IDTV, 1Gb memory

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I am glad many agree the Samsung quality is far better than the Panasonic. I thought my eyes were bluffing me.

Also, why is everyone buying from HN when Best Denki got a better deal? Btw, its Best Denki at KLCC.

The Samsung B650 in Best Denki, (1) 5 years warranty, (2) free 32 inch lcd and (3) free hdmi for RM6999 (without bargaining yet).

If one considers the 3 free gifts above, its worth RM2000. So, one gets a full HD 50 inch for RM4999.

Like that 50S also lose big time in terms of price.

http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/detail/...=PS50B650S1RXXM

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Why is everyone buying from HN when Best Denki got a better deal? Btw, its Best Denki at KLCC.

The Samsung B650 in Best Denki, also get 5 years warranty, free 32 inch lcd and free hdmi for RM6999 (without bargaining yet).
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Tomorrow I will go to Gurney Plaza to look see look see if they have the Sammy Plasma there. biggrin.gif
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Best price I got for PS50B650S1R is RM6800 without the free 32' TV at Best Denki Midvalley with 5 yrs warranty. Harvey Norman selling for RM6300 but with standard 1 yr warranty. Need to top up another RM500 for 1 + 2 yrs warranty.

Walked over between panny and sammy and you guys are right. The Sammy wins over the Panny 50S. Not just the black but the brightness in daylight (or bright lightings) which does not fade/dim as much as Panny. Panny really looks washed out on bright lighting.

Note that the Sammy does NOT have a S-Video input. Now i have to connect composite to a 50' and S-video to my 32'. What a waste for watching Astro.


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QUOTE(tewwyble @ Jul 25 2009, 11:50 PM)
Best price I got for PS50B650S1R is RM6800 without the free 32' TV at Best Denki Midvalley with 5 yrs warranty. Harvey Norman selling for RM6300 but with standard 1 yr warranty.  Need to top up another RM500 for 1 + 2 yrs warranty.

Walked over between panny and sammy and you guys are right. The Sammy wins over the Panny 50S. Not just the black but the brightness in daylight (or bright lightings) which does not fade/dim as much as Panny. Panny really looks washed out on bright lighting.

Note that the Sammy does NOT have a S-Video input. Now i have to connect composite to a 50' and S-video to my 32'. What a waste for watching Astro.
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better to pay 6999 and get the 32 inch lcd. At least can put that in the kitchen or bedroom. Yup, the Panasonic looks so grey in comparison to Samsung.

I think I was praising Panasonic like how people praise Sony....based on brand name.
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Tomorrow I will go to Gurney Plaza to look see look see if they have the Sammy Plasma there. biggrin.gif
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I am glad many agree the Samsung quality is far better than the Panasonic. I thought my eyes were bluffing me.

Also, why is everyone buying from HN when Best Denki got a better deal? Btw, its Best Denki at KLCC.

The Samsung B650 in Best Denki, (1) 5 years warranty, (2) free 32 inch lcd and (3) free hdmi for RM6999 (without bargaining yet).

If one considers the 3 free gifts above, its worth RM2000. So, one gets a full HD 50 inch for RM4999.

Like that 50S also lose big time in terms of price.

http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/detail/...=PS50B650S1RXXM
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Best price I got for PS50B650S1R is RM6800 without the free 32' TV at Best Denki Midvalley with 5 yrs warranty. Harvey Norman selling for RM6300 but with standard 1 yr warranty.  Need to top up another RM500 for 1 + 2 yrs warranty.

Walked over between panny and sammy and you guys are right. The Sammy wins over the Panny 50S. Not just the black but the brightness in daylight (or bright lightings) which does not fade/dim as much as Panny. Panny really looks washed out on bright lighting.

Note that the Sammy does NOT have a S-Video input. Now i have to connect composite to a 50' and S-video to my 32'. What a waste for watching Astro.
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Which one is the correct pricing? I am getting confused. rclxub.gif
RM200 difference for an 32" LCD?
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remember to bring USB HDD with MKVs..  biggrin.gif  if can play most of them then you don't need WDTV or egreat liao..  laugh.gif
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Yeah rite that's the point. Plus point biggrin.gif
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Which one is the correct pricing? I am getting confused.  rclxub.gif
RM200 difference for an 32" LCD?
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6999 with 32 lcd + 5 yrs warranty is too hard to resist...
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besides the price, I like the fact that you can wirelessly stream your pc files to the plasma.

"The Wireless DLNA feature effortlessly streams PC content to the TV, enabling all multimedia files stored on one or more PCs to be played directly through multiple Samsung Plasma TVs, giving you the choice of how and where you want to be entertained"

Panasonic is so ulu.

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Can use N routers to stream HD content wirelessly. No sure what band B650 work on? Hope the price is 6999 in Best biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 25 2009, 11:54 PM)
better to pay 6999 and get the 32 inch lcd. At least can put that in the kitchen or bedroom. Yup, the Panasonic looks so grey in comparison to Samsung.

I think I was praising Panasonic like how people praise Sony....based on brand name.
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Hmmm, are you sure it's 6999 with 32" TV?

The brochure i got for the list price is 7999 with free 32" TV.

6999 is for 550 series (free 21" tv)
7999 is for 650 series (free 32" tv)

That's a big difference.
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Hmmm, are you sure it's 6999 with 32" TV?

The brochure i got for the list price is 7999 with free 32" TV.

6999 is for 550 series (free 21" tv)
7999 is for 650 series (free 32" tv)

That's a big difference.
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that is what I got from Best Denki KLCC. I also was dubious but the salesperson confirmed with me. Most likely 6999 cause they want to compete with Panasonic and obviously, they cannot price their Samsung higher than Panasonic, who holds a lion share of the market.

Maybe I am wrong, do check with klcc.
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Does it come with a wall bracket? I see the Sammy website stating the wall bracket is inclusive in the spec


Added on July 26, 2009, 1:20 am
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Tomorrow I will go to Gurney Plaza to look see look see if they have the Sammy Plasma there. biggrin.gif
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Bro, let me know if it is already there

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I went to HM today and after comparison I agree with you guys that Samsung wins definitely over S10.\
The black colour is much darker unlike Pana which is a bit greyish and the colour is sharper and darker.
Now changing my mind from Pana to Samsung now for my new house in Sept.
Was offered $6300 for the 50' Plasma + Giraffe cable.
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LOL suddenly all bashing S10 at S10 thread. tongue.gif

Lucky I'm too busy to go for shopping, if not I sure bought 2 units already. sweat.gif

Looks like I have to scout for something else now.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Jul 26 2009, 01:49 AM)
LOL suddenly all bashing S10 at S10 thread. tongue.gif

Lucky I'm too busy to go for shopping, if not I sure bought 2 units already. sweat.gif

Looks like I have to scout for something else now.
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There's still time to shop around for the better models..who knows one day you found something better than these models.
Actually S10 is not bad and it's value for money Plasma. Although it's not a perfect plasma but considering it's price which is cheaper than Samsung then it's worth to be considered too.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Jul 26 2009, 01:49 AM)
LOL suddenly all bashing S10 at S10 thread. tongue.gif

Lucky I'm too busy to go for shopping, if not I sure bought 2 units already. sweat.gif

Looks like I have to scout for something else now.
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have to bash lah. 4 prominent consumer brands in electronics, namely, Sony, Panasonic, Nokia and Canon must always strive to be the best. People expect it.

Somemore, these brands themselves claim to be the best, thus, usually commanding a premium price over its competitor.

So, when a mere Samsung can beat the Pana thoroughly, Panasonic needs to be bashed.
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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Jul 26 2009, 01:46 AM)
I went to HM today and after comparison I agree with you guys that Samsung wins definitely over S10.\
The black colour is much darker unlike Pana which is a bit greyish and the colour is sharper and darker.
Now changing my mind from Pana to Samsung now for my new house in Sept.
Was offered $6300 for the 50' Plasma + Giraffe cable.
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6300 only with 1 year warranty rite?
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For Plasma and LCD, I advice you all get the 5 years warranty. Also need to check if 5 years is just parts only or parts and labor. As it's not servicable by any electrical shop, it'll cost you arm and leg to repair.
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only 1 year warranty, additional need to pay.
however to my understanding the panel is 100,000 hours lifespan.
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but in samsung website it stated that for plasma tv the warranty is 2 year...u guy can check it out the warranty information in samsung malaysia website..
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About the comparison in HN, did you think about the settings? I don't think it is not accurate just comparing like that. Take into consideration the lightning condition of the showroom, break in time, color calibration etc and if all units are professionally tuned by anfieldude - and then the samsung still looks the best - then I will have no doubt.

Ask yourself this, what if your eyes tells you Samsung color is the best because it is in Dynamic Contrast mode, then you bought it and reach home, put back to normal mode, then anfieldude tune it and it becomes worst than S10?
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About the comparison in HN, did you think about the settings? I don't think it is not accurate just comparing like that. Take into consideration the lightning condition of the showroom, break in time, color calibration etc and if all units are professionally tuned by anfieldude - and then the samsung still looks the best - then I will have no doubt.

Ask yourself this, what if your eyes tells you Samsung color is the best because it is in Dynamic Contrast mode, then you bought it and reach home, put back to normal mode, then anfieldude tune it and it becomes worst than S10?
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Bro, when I tested them at HN I told the sales person not to con me by adjusting the pictures to the brands advantage. So he promptly put all Samsung, Pana S, Hitachi & Samsung Non HD to standard and then to Dynamic to check.

Even then the Samsung won the Pana anytime.
The pana had a kind of very mild haze effect, whereas the Hitachi was much better then the pana in that area.
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QUOTE(mysai @ Jul 26 2009, 11:07 AM)
Bro, when I tested them at HN I told the sales person not to con me by adjusting the pictures to the brands advantage.  So he promptly put all Samsung, Pana S, Hitachi & Samsung Non HD to standard and then to Dynamic to check.

Even then the Samsung won the Pana anytime. 
The pana had a kind of very mild haze effect, whereas the Hitachi was much better then the pana in that area.
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If you intend to use it on STOCK setting then maybe Samsung looks better to you. But if I were to spend so much on a Plasma, I will get professional to calibrate it for me later. The problem is I don't trust my eyes, I trust professional calibrator to bring the best out of the display for me. Eyes can be deceiving, because every manufacturer setting is different. Even all on standard mode, it doesn't mean it is the same for all models. Panasonic standard setting is different from Samsung standard setting.
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I reviewed the data of the shootout in the US. The Sammy plasma was the B860 plasma. The Panny plasma was the V10.

The results were the black levels post calibration Panny was slightly better. The colour accuracy was better on the Samsung. General viewing the Sammy was a touch better than the Panny.

I would like to remind all that I have not seen the Sammy plasma in person. I have however viewed the Panny S10 and calibrated it. The resuls post calibration was very good. The problems were the slight green tint in the lower IREs (dark areas). However, I believe it was very much reduced post calibration. Showroom conditions make it very difficult to judge the actual picture quality. I do know that the S10 prefers a progressive signal to an interlaced signal. Take that into consideration as well. Standard to standard settins differ from set to set. The best comparison would be to compare calibrated sets. That will show the true ability of the set.

Pls do not make decisions based on my comments. Remember that it is you eyes that matter. I think the Sammy is catching up. That said Panny sets are no pushovers.

When I can view and calibrate a B650 plasma I will post more comments.


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QUOTE(attentional @ Jul 26 2009, 10:58 AM)
About the comparison in HN, did you think about the settings? I don't think it is not accurate just comparing like that. Take into consideration the lightning condition of the showroom, break in time, color calibration etc and if all units are professionally tuned by anfieldude - and then the samsung still looks the best - then I will have no doubt.

Ask yourself this, what if your eyes tells you Samsung color is the best because it is in Dynamic Contrast mode, then you bought it and reach home, put back to normal mode, then anfieldude tune it and it becomes worst than S10?
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yeah lor, need to compare calibrated S10 vs Calibrated sammy..

all those artifically boosted vibrant colors on the showroom floor might disappear.. biggrin.gif
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But there is no way to view or compare the plasma brands with optimum/calibrated PQ at any retail shop...

If targeting to compare at it's calibrated/optimum PQ, we would have to rely the feedback after someone purchased and calibrated accordingly in their home. I guess this is the only way. What are the chances of a side by side comparison from both plasma brands at it's optimum/calibrated settings?

I think we can only compare the best we can in retail shops... unless Anfieldude had manage to calibrate both and be able to feedback...

Understand Anfieldude had managed to calibrate a 42" S10 before, so let us hope there will be opportunity to calibrate the Sammy plasma as well...

One more thing, I was just wondering would a S10 42" and 50" have the same PQ output since 50" panel have been expanded with same resolution?
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One of the reason why the Sammy has an extra edge is the 100Hz motion interpolation. Of course, this demands an additional RM800 over the Panasonic.

The Panny judders when panning.

I've seen some better implementation of motion interpolation (e.g. Sony) and one of the worst is Philips. Try to notice people walking while the screen pans. The motion interpolation creates a blurring artifact around the person which really spoils the movie. Too much post processing for my liking.

Sammy's 100Hz also has this problem (but not as bad as Philips).


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One of the reason why the Sammy has an extra edge is the 100Hz motion interpolation. Of course, this demands an additional RM800 over the Panasonic.

The Panny judders when panning.

I've seen some better implementation of motion interpolation (e.g. Sony) and one of the worst is Philips. Try to notice people walking while the screen pans. The motion interpolation creates a blurring artifact around the person which really spoils the movie. Too much post processing for my liking.

Sammy's 100Hz also has this problem (but not as bad as Philips).
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The Panny has 100Hz as well. This is for 50Hz PAL signals. It is useless for all else. I believe what you mean is the 96Hz processing of 24fps signal. Panny refreshes at 48Hz for 24fps signals. People who are susceptible to motion judder will see it more than others.

Sammy has its own motion processing. AMP I believe. If set wrongly it messes up badly.
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As far as I know, blacks are very important. That is why Pioneer has always been best.

Even when the sets are switched off, the Pana panel looks so grey but the Samsung panel is as black as Pioneer Kuro.

So even on the most basic level ie when switched off, we can see Sammy is better
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 26 2009, 01:12 PM)
The Panny has 100Hz as well. This is for 50Hz PAL signals. It is useless for all else. I believe what you mean is the 96Hz processing of 24fps signal. Panny refreshes at 48Hz for 24fps signals. People who are susceptible to motion judder will see it more than others.

Sammy has its own motion processing. AMP I believe. If set wrongly it messes up badly.
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The Panny has 100Hz as well. This is for 50Hz PAL signals. It is useless for all else. I believe what you mean is the 96Hz processing of 24fps signal. Panny refreshes at 48Hz for 24fps signals. People who are susceptible to motion judder will see it more than others.

Sammy has its own motion processing. AMP I believe. If set wrongly it messes up badly.
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hi,im abit confused,i thought all plasma technology is 0.0001ms compare to lcd 2,4,6ms. or plasma 100hz(or sony 200hz) is different thn 0.0001ms response time,2 different story. for playing games on plasma,which is more important to look at,100hz or response time? thanx

i think its good that panny have a very close competitor like b650,good for consumer like us. as my boss always said,u get what u pay. 50s10 is good enough for me in the future,price wise. smile.gif
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V series and Z series is coming...
Model TH-P54Z1S and TH-P65V10S. It's at the back of Panasonic 'World of Blu-Ray Entertainment' booklet from Panasonic Malaysia.
They would cost a bomb for a peasant like me.
It's too late for me to change my mind. I took a plunge for Sammy 50" B650. Delivery would be next weekend. Now no stock.
RM7699 for TV + 32" lcd + RM400 voucher + hdmi + 5 yrs warranty


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hi,im abit confused,i thought all plasma technology is 0.0001ms compare to lcd 2,4,6ms. or plasma 100hz(or sony 200hz) is different thn 0.0001ms response time,2 different story. for playing games on plasma,which is more important to look at,100hz or response time? thanx

i think its good that panny have a very close competitor like b650,good for consumer like us. as my boss always said,u get what u pay. 50s10 is good enough for me in the future,price wise. smile.gif
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Should be 0.001ms.

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V and Z would cost a bomb and probably won't sell in Malaysia. You see, in the US, its say, USD2000 and for the average American, USD2000 is no big deal. Same applies to Europeans.

But in Malaysia, RM30,000 to RM50,000 is a big commitment.

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QUOTE(dynamike @ Jul 26 2009, 04:56 PM)
hi,im abit confused,i thought all plasma technology is 0.0001ms compare to lcd 2,4,6ms. or plasma 100hz(or sony 200hz) is different thn 0.0001ms response time,2 different story. for playing games on plasma,which is more important to look at,100hz or response time? thanx

i think its good that panny have a very close competitor like b650,good for consumer like us. as my boss always said,u get what u pay. 50s10 is good enough for me in the future,price wise. smile.gif
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For games, response time is the most important.

For 50Hz content (ie, Astro, Asian broadcast TV ), refreshing it at 100Hz (each frame is repeated once) improves fast moving action (ie, sports) fluidity.

Both are necessary it depends on what is more important to you. Best would be if it has both. Most plasmas meet this basic requirement.

One thing I would like to stress is Panasonic Plasmas have 100Hz refresh rates.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 26 2009, 06:38 PM)
V and Z would cost a bomb and probably won't sell in Malaysia. You see, in the US, its say, USD2000 and for the average American, USD2000 is no big deal. Same applies to Europeans.

But in Malaysia, RM30,000 to RM50,000 is a big commitment.
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USD2k (7k) also not a problem here wot.. so many buy 42-50inch plasmas and LCDs during the last few years at 5-10k a pop before the price came dropping this year..

RM30-50k is also a big commitment to average Americans..
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Aiya, cannot compare like this lar...

Imagine us earning RM5K and spending RM7K on the TV, while Americans earning USD5K and spending USD2K on the TV... definitely cheaper for them ler...


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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Jul 26 2009, 08:13 PM)
Aiya, cannot compare like this lar...

Imagine us earning RM5K and spending RM7K on the TV, while Americans earning USD5K and spending USD2K on the TV... definitely cheaper for them ler...
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that is what I meant. In US, UK, Australia, your plasma is a small proportion of your pay. Here, it is a big chunk or to most people, few months pay.

So obviously the Pana V and Z no problem to be sold overseas.

Ask any retailer and they will tell you that they only sold just a handful of 65 inch units.
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I forgot to mentioned I went Gurney Plaza Penang today. Was looking for the Sammy Plasma B650, but still have not arrive yet.

So naturally all the salesman would say.. Panasonic better lar... we got stock, and today can give u good price with voucher to buy other stuff...

One of the salesman also told me they had a road show few weeks ago, and the Sammy plasma was not sellable at all.. but then I could not find any display unit (which I believe should have since they mentioned got roadshow), unless the unit is sold, or returned to Samsung??? Again, I doubt cause the B650 was not lauch yet few weeks ago, correct me if I am wrong...

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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Jul 26 2009, 08:54 PM)
I forgot to mentioned I went Gurney Plaza Penang today. Was looking for the Sammy Plasma B650, but still have not arrive yet.

So naturally all the salesman would say.. Panasonic better lar... we got stock, and today can give u good price with voucher to buy other stuff...

One of the salesman also told me they had a road show few weeks ago, and the Sammy plasma was not sellable at all.. but then I could not find any display unit (which I believe should have since they mentioned got roadshow), unless the unit is sold, or returned to Samsung??? Again, I doubt cause the B650 was not lauch yet few weeks ago, correct me if I am wrong...
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Actually I am referring these in the brochure:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Possibly V and Z series could be coming...
Definitely 65" isn't for peasant like me sweat.gif


Added on July 26, 2009, 9:01 pmApparently first batch of B650 was sold out.
Samsung Malaysia only get stock on 31/7/09.
So dealers would get them earliest on 1/8/09.

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G also not selling well, how to sell Z and V?

I think in Msia, only the X and S laku.
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G also not selling well, how to sell Z and V?

I think in Msia, only the X and S laku.
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QUOTE(putih @ Jul 27 2009, 11:48 AM)
I saw in AV fair that Hitachi Plasmas were also not bad. Pricewise, it sits around Pana and Sammy but the black level and overall picture are good, definitely blacker than panasonic S series. If you are afraid of korean products, this might be an option. My friend's Hitachi plasma lasts as long as other Japs TV sets... br/
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i have an old 42 inch Hitachi, it was and is one of the worst plasmas ever.
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The current generation Hitachi plasmas on display in HN also looks like crap. biggrin.gif
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for plasmas, its only Pana, Pioneer and Samsung, now Pioneer dead, so, its only Pana or Samsung.

for lcd, its Samsung, Sharp or Sony. Since Samsung makes Sony's panel, so, its only Samsung or Sharp.

All the others, no point talking. Might as well buy Akira.

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 27 2009, 05:00 PM)
lets face in, for plasmas, its only Pana, Pioneer and Samsung

for lcd, its Samsung, Sharp or Sony.

All the others, no point talking. Might as well buy Akira.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 27 2009, 05:00 PM)
for plasmas, its only Pana, Pioneer and Samsung, now Pioneer dead, so, its only Pana or Samsung.

for lcd, its Samsung, Sharp or Sony. Since Samsung makes Sony's panel, so, its only Samsung or Sharp.

All the others, no point talking. Might as well buy Akira.
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just back from HN, the Samsung plasma black level really fastastic, video quality better compared to Panasonic. was waiting all the while for pana, but now, change my mind to samsung although cost little more, worth it for the black crystal panel.
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just back from HN, the Samsung plasma black level really fastastic, video quality better compared to Panasonic. was waiting all the while for pana, but now, change my mind to samsung although cost little more, worth it for the black crystal panel.
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jul 27 2009, 05:00 PM)
for plasmas, its only Pana, Pioneer and Samsung, now Pioneer dead, so, its only Pana or Samsung.

for lcd, its Samsung, Sharp or Sony. Since Samsung makes Sony's panel, so, its only Samsung or Sharp.

All the others, no point talking. Might as well buy Akira.
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Many times you speak like there's no tomorrow and later after you check out yourselves and blown away, you regret. Talk before you speak. I told you before Pana S42 was GREY and highly reflective, you SWORE it was as good as Kuro, then you checked Samsung was better, you hit Pana bad... Now I'm teling you Hitachi have pretty impressive set, you straight away hentam... C'mon lar, forumers can see your attitude already. Make wise and just comments only.


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i have an old 42 inch Hitachi, it was and is one of the worst plasmas ever.
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May I know the model? I calibrated a Hitachi Plasma lately and it had miserable black levels.
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I wished I had the model numbers but my friend was rushing to the pioneer room.... I watched for like 3 minutes, and I think it was pretty good. Like many others, I never gave a second look at Hitachi before. But I wil do on my next TV survey roundup.


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did you compare samsung plasma with panny G series since you claim that samsung black level is fantastic?  hmm.gif
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went to one of electrical shop in puchong and quoted $5500 for 50" S10.
As for Samsung Plasma B650 was quoted at $5900 (set and hdmi only) or $7150 (with free 32'lcd and hdmi).
Which one is more worth it? Maybe get the $7150 packag and add a bit to upgrade the 32' to better specs such as full HD for my room?
Still got time to choose..... biggrin.gif
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Don't rule out Philips LCD....seen the latest 5000 and 7000 series yet? stunning!
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Added on July 27, 2009, 7:24 pmby the way....if i remember correctly there was a point in time when someone said the old Hitachi he/she has is comparable, if not surpassing, the quality of any recent (insert brands here) models.

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did you compare samsung plasma with panny G series since you claim that samsung black level is fantastic?  hmm.gif
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Many times you speak like there's no tomorrow and later after you check out yourselves and blown away, you regret. Talk before you speak. I told you before Pana S42 was GREY and highly reflective, you SWORE it was as good as Kuro, then you checked Samsung was better, you hit Pana bad... Now I'm teling you Hitachi have pretty impressive set, you straight away hentam... C'mon lar, forumers can see your attitude already. Make wise and just comments only.


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Wah, how many plasma sets you have? Before you said you had Pioneer at home, now you also have the crappy Hitachi. I bet, you might have some "stupid" LCD TVs also. I'm impressed! wink.gif



At the time when I was a fan of the 42S, the Samsung was not out. So, how to know? Pakai crystal ball kah?

Btw, is it wrong to have a few plasmas at home?

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[quote=michaeltan1943,Jul 27 2009, 08:39 PM]
Actually I compared the Samsung to Pana G. The Samsung wins lah. It is blacker and better PQ. Somemore, 42G is same price as Samsung 50 inch, thus, double bonus, more value


Added on July 27, 2009, 8:48 pm[quote=putih,Jul 27 2009, 05:33 PM]
Many times you speak like there's no tomorrow and later after you check out yourselves and blown away, you regret. Talk before you speak. I told you before Pana S42 was GREY and highly reflective, you SWORE it was as good as Kuro, then you checked Samsung was better, you hit Pana bad... Now I'm teling you Hitachi have pretty impressive set, you straight away hentam... C'mon lar, forumers can see your attitude already. Make wise and just comments only.


Added on July 27, 2009, 5:38 pm
Wah, how many plasma sets you have? Before you said you had Pioneer at home, now you also have the crappy Hitachi. I bet, you might have some "stupid" LCD TVs also. I'm impressed! wink.gif
At the time when I was a fan of the 42S, the Samsung was not out. So, how to know? Pakai crystal ball kah?

Btw, is it wrong to have a few plasmas at home?
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How is the anti-reflective coating on the Samsung Plasma? Is it better than the Pany S series?
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It's better. Samsung it's black. Pana S is grey.


Added on July 28, 2009, 11:38 amWill take a snapshot when I take delivery this weekend

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Is good to hear that. Really good to have another choice to compete with Panny S10k. Will go and see this Samsung.
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I am still very sceptical about Samsung's sound & picture quality in the long run hmm.gif

When I am investing so much money on a TV, then I need something which would last long and not only good for a while and then start deteriorating after a year or two huh.gif
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So has anybody bought the Panasonic 50S10 and have it in their homes?

Please I think we all want to know how is the black level in darkened room. Since I think that The Panasonic plasmas do not perform well in bright lighting, ie stores. I am also thinking of purchasing this plasma, or Samsung 50B850. But basically in my country the Samsung is twice as much as Panasonic.

And I heard faults such as buzzing etc. Plus the black level in darkened room not as good as Pana Plasmas. So if anyone has bought the B6 0r B8 plasmas and have in their homes. Pls also check black level in darkened room

Thanks!
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So has anybody bought the Panasonic 50S10 and have it in their homes?

Please I think we all want to know how is the black level in darkened room. Since I think that The Panasonic plasmas do not perform well in bright lighting, ie stores. I am also thinking of purchasing this plasma, or Samsung 50B850. But basically in my country the Samsung is twice as much as Panasonic.

And I heard faults such as buzzing etc. Plus the black level in darkened room not as good as Pana Plasmas. So if anyone has bought the B6 0r B8 plasmas and have in their homes. Pls also check black level in darkened room

Thanks!
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The buzzing sound is quite common in Samsung TV's . You will start experiencing this sound after a year or two . This is one the problem which I am afraid of blink.gif
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Not sure whether Buzzing is common for all Samsung TVs. But from what I read in other forums/reviews. The buzzing is more susceptible in Samsung Plasma B6/B8.....And I also read that black level is less impressive than Panasonic Plasma in darkened room

Thats why wondering whether I should pay twice money for Samsung Plasma, while I can get the 50S10 Panny for much less....
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I just got to know that this Samsung PS50B650, free 32" LCD + HDMI cable is same price with Panny 50S10k + BD60.

So, which is better??
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I just got to know that this Samsung PS50B650, free 32" LCD + HDMI cable is same price with Panny 50S10k + BD60.

So, which is better??
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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Jul 28 2009, 02:41 PM)
U like extra 32" or BD player??
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U have ur answer then....


Added on July 28, 2009, 3:30 pmAs for the Sammy B650 Vs Panny S10, it is still debatable..

All still depends on your goodself which one u prefer.. I am aiming for the Sammy B650 now, but waiting for the actual unit to display first..

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I prefer BD player cos I have a 32" LCD already.
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I sold my 32" lcd...No to hd ready lcd
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Sold for RM1k 32"B350...
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That's really cheap.
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Anyone wants mine when I collect it? Asking for Rm1,500/
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Apology for being a low-baller.
Think like RM1.2k - RM1.3k is a good price.
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What's the RRP at places like Best Denki or HN? Use that as a guide lor
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so can anyone help review the performance of the Panny 50S10 in their home? in darkened room? thanks

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so can anyone help review the performance of the Panny 50S10 in their home? in darkened room? thanks
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I have viewed a 42S10 in a darkened room. What exactly are you looking for? I can help answer some questions.
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Basically,
-the black level performance...does the grey looking black become real black in a darkened room
-Sharpness and detail....does Hidef movies shine in this plasma
-brightness.....is it dim, or is it bright and have enough pop....
-overall picture quality.
Since I now own a Samsung A series LCD, and looking to switch to Plasma. But a bit afraid the picture quality wont be to my liking as
I am used to the sharpness and detail of an LCD.....
Perhaps if you can also a comparison between the Panny G/V and the Samsung B6/B8 plasmas?

Looking to justify the price difference of those higher priced plasmas

THanks!


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@anfieldude

Basically,
-the black level performance...does the grey looking black become real black in a darkened room
-Sharpness and detail....does Hidef movies shine in this plasma
-brightness.....is it dim, or is it bright and have enough pop....
-overall picture quality.
Since I now own a Samsung A series LCD, and looking to switch to Plasma. But a bit afraid the picture quality wont be to my liking as
I am used to the sharpness and detail of an LCD.....
Perhaps if you can also a comparison between the Panny G/V and the Samsung B6/B8 plasmas?

Looking to justify the price difference of those higher priced plasmas

THanks!
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1stly plasma vey rarely have blacks looking gray in a darkened room. All fixed panel displays should not be viewed in a pitch black room. The best for you would be to have a low level light behind the display in a fully darkened room. The only display technology that should be viewed in a pitch black room is a projector.

The S10 I viewed after calibration has very good performance in a dark environment.

Sharpness - there is a difference between LCD and plasma in this regards. Plasma's refresh methods makes it closest to how the projector would display the image. Very film like, LCDs refresh differently, hence the pictures are oversharpened. This can be set to be as neutral as possible.

Details - there should be no difference between LCD and plasma and this depends on the source. Don't confuse details with sharpness. As long as the display's brigtness and contrasts are set correctly, the details will be as the director intended.

Pop - Pop is a loose term. The 3D image "pop" is actually a function of contrast ratio. It is also how you set the gamma of a display. If set correctly, "pop" should be there. One way of getting artificial pop is to jack up contrast too high. Then black details appear washed out. S10 shd have no problems with this.

I would suggest you decide if you like the look of a plasma then make the decision. If you are used to viewing films/movies in a correctly set/calibrated display then you might like plasma more. If you like the way an LCD looks, get an LCD.

The only issue with the S10 is that it has a slight green tint in the darker areas. This can be calibrated out.

I have not seen a Panny G/V or the Samsung B6/B8 plasmas yet, I can only comment the picture post calibration. Showroom environments are deceiving.
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How is the anti-reflective coating on the Samsung Plasma?  Is it better than the Pany S series?
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Added on July 28, 2009, 9:15 pm
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It's better. Samsung it's black. Pana S is grey.


Added on July 28, 2009, 11:38 amWill take a snapshot when I take delivery this weekend
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Hey guys, can we play PS2 games on the Plasma? I am concerned if my son plays on it non-stop for 2 3 hours continously! Ya know how kids are right.
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2 or 3 hours non-stop shouldn't be a problem
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Thanks for the info. I guess you are right, that show room performance is deceiving, causing plasmas looking dim and grey compared to LCDs.

Its good to hear from someone who actually have seen the 50S10 in a normal room environment. Will go again to store and do a comparison
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2 days only? When I first got my X10, I left mine on for a week for break-in running the break-in images looping.
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mysai, i think u can break kianwee record... dont worry ma especially if ur tv still under warranty
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mysai, i think u can break kianwee record... dont worry ma especially if ur tv still under warranty
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Apologies for the noob question, but is break-in necessary for all plasmas?
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Not really necessary. As LoneWolf says, try to avoid prolonged black bars and static channel logos for the 1st 50 hrs or so of the plasma's life. This is when the phospours are at their infancy and more prone to the dreaded "burn in". Most new displays have some kind of pixel shifter or orbiter that I suggest you turn on for the 1st 200-300hrs.

The break in images are to age all the pixels evenly. This helps to bring the phospours past the infancy. The other reason is that it takes time for the the phospours to set in, just like CRT. The 1st 50 or so hours you will see what is known as fizzing pixels and the picture might not be as sharp. This will settle down as th phospors age.

So to answer you it is recommended but not necessary.
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Not really necessary. As LoneWolf says, try to avoid prolonged black bars and static channel logos for the 1st 50 hrs or so of the plasma's life. This is when the phospours are at their infancy and more prone to the dreaded "burn in". Most new displays have some kind of pixel shifter or orbiter that I suggest you turn on for the 1st 200-300hrs.

The break in images are to age all the pixels evenly. This helps to bring the phospours past the infancy. The other reason is that it takes time for the the phospours to set in, just like CRT. The 1st 50 or so hours you will see what is known as fizzing pixels and the picture might not be as sharp. This will settle down as th phospors age.

So to answer you it is recommended but not necessary.
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Can you tell me how to access the service menu in S10?

I know it voids warranty and I may make mistake and do something wrong.

But I am planning to buy S10 soon, and want to calibrate the white balance etc. And from your post, only in service menu.

Can you also post a step by step on what to change in service menu?

Much appreciated.
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@anfieldude

Can you tell me how to access the service menu in S10?

I know it voids warranty and I may make mistake and do something wrong.

But I am planning to buy S10 soon, and want to calibrate the white balance etc. And from your post, only in service menu.

Can you also post a step by step on what to change in service menu?

Much appreciated.
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bro anfieldude....

please need some advice.....is it true what enrg said...? icon_question.gif
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If Anfieldude can give us the settings he used and we change it in service menu :-)

Then of course we can calibrate.....

Not 100% sure whether warranty will be void, but that is what I read in various forums


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If Anfieldude can give us the settings he used and we change it in service menu :-)

Then of course we can calibrate.....

Not 100% sure whether warranty will be void, but that is what I read in various forums
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If Anfieldude can give us the settings he used and we change it in service menu :-)

Then of course we can calibrate.....

Not 100% sure whether warranty will be void, but that is what I read in various forums
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On the warranty part, there is no actual way of them to know that you have accessed the service menu. However, if you do change something that you should not in the service menu and it bricks your set then it becomes contentious.

On using other people's settings and changing blindly, it is not advised.

This is because there are set to set variations (and Panny does have a lot on the lower end models) and the video chain is different from person to person. The viewing environment is also different from person to person. I have so far calibrated a few X10s and the end results are different for each one.

To calibrate you need to use test signals and proper tools. You cannot calibrate greyscale, gamma, colour without tools.
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What I am thinking is using your measurement as basis only.

As I have seen reviewers post their settings on various sites, which are meant as a starting point.

Of course in the end it will be up to each of us on the final settings.

What I need is just how to get to the menu, which options to change, and basic settings you used as basis.
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@anfieldude

What I am thinking is using your measurement as basis only.

As I have seen reviewers post their settings on various sites, which are meant as a starting point.

Of course in the end it will be up to each of us on the final settings.

What I need is just how to get to the menu, which options to change, and basic settings you used as basis.
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Service menu...

Press the Vol- button on the display and press recall 3X on the remote, you will be in service menu. After that there are instructions there to follow.

I do not have the settings as I calibrated these displays for others. Pls check with them.

I still suggest you be careful with what you do there and understand that your source is important in calibration. I want to clearly state that if something does go wrong, it is your own risk.
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Why so stingy? Bought a tv then let sifu to calibrate it...
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Thanks and noted. Of course I am responsible for what I do.


Added on July 31, 2009, 4:34 pm@ronaldjoe

Who is sifu? I am not in Malaysia, so hard for him to calibrate it lah

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This is only common access to service menu.
Probably u would have no idea what are they when you go in sweat.gif
btw Sifu = expert or experienced ppl.

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I see....well I havent found any Sifu where I live.

I think Panny plasmas are not that popular here....we are overunned by LCDs!!
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I am in Indonesia
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Thanks. When I have the TV on hand, I will PM you if I need more info. I am still deciding between this and the Samsung 50B850


Added on July 31, 2009, 5:37 pmOK poll time guys.

In my country, The 50S10 is around 6,000MR, while Samsung 50B850 is around 11,000MR.

Which would you choose?

Is the Samsung 50B850 worth it, given the vast difference in price vs. the 50S10?

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Wow good Indonesia have 50B850 already??
Here in M'sia only B650 is available.


Added on July 31, 2009, 5:39 pmFor RM11k, should wait for V series.
It might be coming...

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@anfieldude

Thanks. When I have the TV on hand, I will PM you if I need more info. I am still deciding between this and the Samsung 50B850


Added on July 31, 2009, 5:37 pmOK poll time guys.

In my country, The 50S10 is around 6,000MR, while Samsung 50B850 is around 11,000MR.

Which would you choose?

Is the Samsung 50B850 worth it, given the vast difference in price vs. the 50S10?
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Do you have the samsung 50B650, it is also as good...
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For your comparison, I got my 50B650 for RM6.3k (with so called '5yrs warranty) after deducting freebies.
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That's the thing....No 50B650 in my country.

Only 50B550, 63B680 (too big), 50B850


Added on July 31, 2009, 5:53 pmYeah, the 50B850 is out....saw it in store. Really deep black in bright lighting. Even better than the B680. Detailed and bright, just like an LCD.

But the price, yikes.

I am also looking out for the V. But from the Panny representative I emailed, she said no info whether it will be sold in my country :-(

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For your comparison, I got my 50B650 for RM6.3k (with so called '5yrs warranty) after deducting freebies.
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Has urs arrive? Any feedback?


Added on July 31, 2009, 7:57 pmI went to HN in QBM Penang today. The Sammy 50B650 arrived in a box, but they mentioned the panel crack due to handling issue, so unable to display...

have to wait for the next delivery.

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Vendor only will deliver tomorrow but i'm out of town
Come monday...I ll be in war zone.
I ll put a comparison with my 42s10 later
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Vendor only will deliver tomorrow but i'm out of town
Come monday...I ll be in war zone.
I ll put a comparison with my 42s10 later
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Wah bro, u the man... got both Panny S10 and gonna own another Sammy B650...

looking forward to your comparisons and feedback...

me tangan gatal liou...
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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Jul 31 2009, 08:32 PM)
Wah bro, u the man... got both Panny S10 and gonna own another Sammy B650...

looking forward to your comparisons and feedback...

me tangan gatal liou...
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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Jul 31 2009, 08:32 PM)
Wah bro, u the man... got both Panny S10 and gonna own another Sammy B650...

looking forward to your comparisons and feedback...

me tangan gatal liou...
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Next week I might be busy as I have to report to bosses in HK office + local office.
Hopefully I can post up pics for comparison.
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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Aug 1 2009, 01:14 AM)
who u refering to? me or ronaldjoe?
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the panny S10 and sammy B650 series are different class products .

the panny S is a low end series catering for third world country like us .

peasant like me are force to buy this series S

i bet this sammy B650 even beat the panny G series

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u la
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hahah... like u said, size does matter..

Where to get 50" for less than RM6K (excluding free gifts), somemore FHD with good PQ.... Of corse I haven't actually seen the B650 series yet, but I saw the B450 series.. even B450 impressed me, I can only imagine much better PQ from the B650.

For LCD FHD (good PQ), I can only get approx <RM8K for the A950, only 46" .. so the price differences is quite a lot... By buying the Plasma, I have additional RM2K (thinking how to spend it.. hahaha)

Already got LCD in the room, so think Plasma for living hall ain't that bad... at least get the best of both world....

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Has urs arrive? Any feedback?


Added on July 31, 2009, 7:57 pmI went to HN in QBM Penang today. The Sammy 50B650 arrived in a box, but they mentioned the panel crack due to handling issue, so unable to display...

have to wait for the next delivery.
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No wonder I didn't receive the call from HN QBmall yet... rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Aug 1 2009, 09:32 AM)
the panny S10 and sammy B650 series are different class products .

the panny S is a low end series catering for third world country like us .

peasant like me are force to buy this series S

i bet this sammy B650 even beat the panny G series
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probably true in terms of performance.. but hope it'll last longer than the panny though..  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(de_lasoul @ Aug 1 2009, 11:33 AM)
hahah... like u said, size does matter..

Where to get 50" for less than RM6K (excluding free gifts), somemore FHD with good PQ.... Of corse I haven't actually seen the B650 series yet, but I saw the B450 series.. even B450 impressed me, I can only imagine much better PQ from the B650. 

For LCD FHD (good PQ), I can only get approx <RM8K for the A950, only 46" .. so the price differences is quite a lot... By buying the Plasma, I have additional RM2K (thinking how to spend it.. hahaha)

Already got LCD in the room, so think Plasma for living hall ain't that bad... at least get the best of both world....
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I got offer B650 with free HDMI cable, without 32" LCD, cost rm5699. Need to order. But I havent see the unit.

de_lasoul, if QBM call u, do inform me. We can go together with chewkl.

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Wah Jimmyteng, U are saying the cost price for Sammy L6B50 is RM5699? If that is correct, the said Best Denki deal for B650 + 32" B350 @ RM6999 is dem worth it! (Means 32" B350 is only 1.3k)

Sure, let's have a rombongan melihat B650 in HN QBM. rclxms.gif

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Ok, let's do so.... Chewkl, kindly PM me your contact.... Jimmy already did...
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wei guys... i wanna join in the fun so keep me in the loop icon_rolleyes.gif
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Wow u guys from the north are having 'rombongan' for plasma... drool.gif


Added on August 2, 2009, 6:48 am
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Wah Jimmyteng, U are saying the cost price for Sammy L6B50 is RM5699? If that is correct, the said Best Denki deal for B650 + 32" B350 @ RM6999 is dem worth it! (Means 32" B350 is only 1.3k)

Sure, let's have a rombongan melihat B650 in HN QBM. rclxms.gif
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I went to Best KLCC last Sunday the said RM6999 was the package for B550 which was placed with a B650 plasma... shakehead.gif
Caught in Jam and the hassle getting parking in KLCC. vmad.gif
Probably it could be just my bad luck.


Added on August 2, 2009, 6:49 am
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hahah... like u said, size does matter..

Where to get 50" for less than RM6K (excluding free gifts), somemore FHD with good PQ.... Of corse I haven't actually seen the B650 series yet, but I saw the B450 series.. even B450 impressed me, I can only imagine much better PQ from the B650. 

For LCD FHD (good PQ), I can only get approx <RM8K for the A950, only 46" .. so the price differences is quite a lot... By buying the Plasma, I have additional RM2K (thinking how to spend it.. hahaha)

Already got LCD in the room, so think Plasma for living hall ain't that bad... at least get the best of both world....
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650 is way better than 450 drool.gif


Added on August 2, 2009, 6:51 am
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I got offer B650 with free HDMI cable, without 32" LCD, cost rm5699. Need to order. But I havent see the unit.

de_lasoul, if QBM call u, do inform me. We can go together with chewkl.
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Very good deal nod.gif
Which store in QBM?

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wei guys... i wanna join in the fun so keep me in the loop icon_rolleyes.gif
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then you can poison chewkl with your local dimming LED TV.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 2 2009, 10:36 AM)
good Idea...
then you can poison chewkl with your local dimming LED TV..  brows.gif
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but i still wanna laujuak with the guys laugh.gif
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lol... i don't think he'll be interested in my obsolete tv d tongue.gif
but i still wanna laujuak with the guys laugh.gif
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ya ya.. sounds like a lotta fun.. come join us ar188 biggrin.gif
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ya ya.. sounds like a lotta fun.. come join us ar188 biggrin.gif
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Chewkl, Jimmy, will you be able to take off from work during office hours to QBM? (Hope ur boss is not reading this.. ) U guys work in FTZ Pg?

I prefer to go to QBM during office hours with less ppl.. so at least the Salesman will have more focus to serve us... we could go during lunch time also if it is convenient for u...

Me & Ronnt's time can be flexible... just need to plan ahead in advance..
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Aug 2 2009, 05:24 AM)
Wow u guys from the north are having 'rombongan' for plasma...  drool.gif


Added on August 2, 2009, 6:48 am
I went to Best KLCC last Sunday the said RM6999 was the package for B550 which was placed with a B650 plasma...  shakehead.gif
Caught in Jam and the hassle getting parking in KLCC. vmad.gif
Probably it could be just my bad luck.


Added on August 2, 2009, 6:49 am
650 is way better than 450  drool.gif


Added on August 2, 2009, 6:51 am
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Chewkl, Jimmy, will you be able to take off from work during office hours to QBM? (Hope ur boss is not reading this.. ) U guys work in FTZ Pg?

I prefer to go to QBM during office hours with less ppl.. so at least the Salesman will have more focus to serve us... we could go during lunch time also if it is convenient for u...

Me & Ronnt's time can be flexible... just need to plan ahead in advance..
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De_lasoul,

I'm flexible as well. We can go during lunch. Do let me know ahead. Thks.


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So far the lowest we seen here is RM5699 (including HDMI and excluding Free 32").

Anybody able to get lower than this in Pg?
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Taikors, I'm just a ikanbilis niah, no flexible hours like U taikors. But I can take 2 hour lunch lah biggrin.gif

And yes, I work in FTZ area...

De_lasoul, will PM U my contact now...wink.gif
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ok, we are all set. Once QBM calls me, I will let u guys know and we can plan out the schedule.


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Taikors, I'm just a ikanbilis niah, no flexible hours like U taikors. But I can take 2 hour lunch lah biggrin.gif

And yes, I work in FTZ area...

De_lasoul, will PM U my contact now...wink.gif
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me also sometimes have 15mins lunch onli ler..

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But Tv manufacturer should know that 95% of the Tv are use in household that is bright.
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ok, we are all set. Once QBM calls me, I will let u guys know and we can plan out the schedule.


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wah, 2 hours lunch?? ur company so generous ler..

me also sometimes have 15mins lunch onli ler..
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No lah, official is 1 hour, but that is the only flexibility I have. Not like some pepur here shiok shiok can go driving range... thumbup.gif
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No lah, official is 1 hour, but that is the only flexibility I have. Not like some pepur here shiok shiok can go driving range... thumbup.gif
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No lah, official is 1 hour, but that is the only flexibility I have. Not like some pepur here shiok shiok can go driving range... thumbup.gif
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de_lasoul, did you pull the trigger?
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My unit from Best is scheduled to come today.
Desa is willingly to sell tv with 5 yrs warranty for 6.3k.

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My unit from Best is scheduled to come today. 
Desa is willingly to sell tv with 5 yrs warranty for 6.3k.
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If this set goes to anfieldude then he can gives a very good opinion and review.
Don't rely so much on me, since I am not good at this.
Perhaps I can just give simple comment and findings.
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Aug 3 2009, 03:11 PM)
If this set goes to anfieldude then he can gives a very good opinion and review.
Don't rely so much on me, since I am not good at this.
Perhaps I can just give simple comment and findings.
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↲Any comments will do,if possible,compare it with S10k

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Jimmy, are u planning to buy this too?
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Bulk purchase anyone? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Bulk purchase for P50S10? can use CC?
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Aug 3 2009, 03:11 PM)
If this set goes to anfieldude then he can gives a very good opinion and review.
Don't rely so much on me, since I am not good at this.
Perhaps I can just give simple comment and findings.
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When I talked to a Panashop owner, they are able to give RM5690 best price but they cant extend the warranty to 5years because Panasonic does not offer such thing at this moment. Finding it strange since Panasonic offering 5years upgrade for quite a small amount for the 42" model but not this. Anyway, still finding it hard to accept that you have to pay over RM2k to jump from 42" to 50". Been offered 3399 for the 42" in PC Fair but too big for my room, so opted for 37S10K instead for 2799.

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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 3 2009, 08:46 PM)
Bulk purchase anyone? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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First impression on early hours of operation is that the black is blacked than S10. Colour seems 'deeper'.
Performance is much better than S10 early when the set is new. Of which i would describe early hours of S10 is awkward.
But I still find the colour of B650 a little bit un-natural compared to S10.
Wait till tv break in first as it's still new out of box.


Added on August 3, 2009, 10:50 pmBest it's still to compare it side by side with other plasma.
Apology on sucky images notworthy.gif

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The statement is true. But LCD TV technology is picking up fast with better contrast and eliminates juddering issue that is link to fast moving scene.
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Still too early to tell... do let me update again say in 2 weeks time


Added on August 3, 2009, 11:41 pmAdd: my home ministress only said it's black

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Jimmy, are u planning to buy this too?
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First impression on early hours of operation is that the black is blacked than S10. Colour seems 'deeper'.
Performance is much better than S10 early when the set is new. Of which i would describe early hours of S10 is awkward.
But I still find the colour of B650 a little bit un-natural compared to S10.
Wait till tv break in first as it's still new out of box.


Added on August 3, 2009, 10:50 pmBest it's still to compare it side by side with other plasma.
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Thanks for the first impression.

I think I speak for many people here, perhaps if possible you could post a pic with side by side comparison of the B650 vs. S10 in darkened room so we can see how the black level stacks up. Also your view after break in also appreciated.

Many thanks
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@ronaldjoe

Thanks for the first impression.

I think I speak for many people here, perhaps if possible you could post a pic with side by side comparison of the B650 vs. S10 in darkened room so we can see how the black level stacks up. Also your view after break in also appreciated.

Many thanks
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It's kind of like difficult for me.
I need to get one more hdmi converter and 'squeeze' the tv's on my cabinet only then i can post the pic 'side by side'.
Btw yesterday I watched concert in dark room. It was 'great' tho it's still in early hours of operation.
I ll try doing it over weekend when I am free.
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It's kind of like difficult for me.
I need to get one more hdmi converter and 'squeeze' the tv's on my cabinet only then i can post the pic 'side by side'.
Btw yesterday I watched concert in dark room. It was 'great' tho it's still in early hours of operation.
I ll try doing it over weekend when I am free.
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How is the reflection on this samsung plasma. The older samsung plasma is like a mirror. Is this set better then the S10? I am really concern about the reflection. The other thing is also the image retention. I read from one review that this new samsung plasma is very prone to image retention. Did you notice any retention from still images left on the screen after a short period of time?
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hi ronaldjoe... just out of your basic 'instinct', did the Samsung or Panasonic impress you more in terms of PQ? thanks..
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Bulk order on... that is if the B650 really is good...
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Bulk order on... that is if the B650 really is good...
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Should we move to another thread.. since this is mainly reviews for Panny S10

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1118588
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 4 2009, 10:39 AM)
How is the reflection on this samsung plasma.  The older samsung plasma is like a mirror.  Is this set better then the S10?  I am really concern about the reflection.  The other thing is also the image retention.  I read from one review that this new samsung plasma is very prone to image retention.  Did you notice any retention from still images left on the screen after a short period of time?
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Yes Samsung is prone to retention. This morning I saw slight retention with my vista task panel (short period of time). doh.gif
On reflection, B650 has better glass as the glass is like ultra violet type that we have on front windscreen of CBU, which is purplish.
1080p 1:1 pixel mapping is better than S10.

QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 4 2009, 10:40 AM)
hi ronaldjoe... just out of your basic 'instinct', did the Samsung or Panasonic impress you more in terms of PQ? thanks..
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Colour & black level of B650 is much better.
But I find S10 a bit more 'natural', or may be B650 is still new.
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On reflection, B650 has better glass as the glass is like ultra violet type that we have on front windscreen of CBU, which is purplish.
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despite plasma price dropping, pity there is a big gap in pricing between 42 and 50, unlike other countries, where not much price difference.

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50S10 in US USD1.5k retail. Here RM5.3k - cash. More or less the same.
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But sum people say US S10 and MY S10 not the same wor...How?

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With the reflection problem I think I wait for Pana V series, hopefully it will be in Malaysia soon
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Just now went to PCFair where the 50S10k was being displayed. The lighting in PISA was not as bright like in shopping complexes, virtually 0 reflection on the screen. I think if your home has controlled lighting, this will be a good buy. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 7 2009, 02:54 PM)
Just now went to PCFair where the 50S10k was being displayed. The lighting in PISA was not as bright like in shopping complexes, virtually 0 reflection on the screen. I think if your home has controlled lighting, this will be a good buy. thumbup.gif
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chewkl, I was there also. Agreed with u.
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chewkl, I was there also. Agreed with u.
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Aiyoh Jimmyteng we should have made arrangements to go together to kepoh...

Elite Ronn, PCfair where got good TV deals one? biggrin.gif
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Aiyoh Jimmyteng we should have made arrangements to go together to kepoh...

Elite Ronn, PCfair where got good TV deals one? biggrin.gif
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elite ron won't be poison, because elite ron runs on original blu-ray and not poor-man's rip whistling.gif
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Elite Ron, please wait for my PlayOn!HD to arrive. Then we can meet up so I can poison U with BDMV and BD ISO. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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elite ron won't be poison, because elite ron runs on original blu-ray and not poor-man's rip whistling.gif
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Never see his original question on media player meh? whistling.gif
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why la go backwards?
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Huh? Mediaplayer meaning paria? Y leh? I tot it was another way to keep or manage ur BD collection?

Anyways, I'm no elite.. Just a simple guy notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(jimmyteng18 @ Aug 7 2009, 03:07 PM)
chewkl, I was there also. Agreed with u.
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Aiks, I was also there at 4pm onwards...

looks like our original plan for a group visit to QBM to view the Sammy B650 ended up in PISA first. Only this time we viewed the S10 and we did not manage to meet up.


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Elite Ron, please wait for my PlayOn!HD to arrive. Then we can meet up so I can poison U with BDMV and BD ISO. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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I was there for oly 40mins, manage to find a RCA brand Media Player.. looks good with HDMI output (720p) & Free HDMI cable.

I see it supports many formats, eg.. MPG 1,2,4, DIVX, XVID, RMVB, MKV, VI, MOV.

Think this is a good buy? Price is RM399.



Bro Chewkl,
Could you provide some details on your PlayOn? Specs, price, built in HDD? etc.. I may be looking for one to replace my HTPC.

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Anyone can update the latest best price for P50S10? is it below 5k already?
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I have yet to receive my PlayOn. Should be week after next. But then I wont be in Penang that whole week.

So de_lasoul, what do U think of the P50S10 in dimmer lighting?
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QUOTE(WereWolf84 @ Aug 7 2009, 08:32 PM)
Anyone can update the latest best price for P50S10? is it below 5k already?
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I don't think P50S10 can go down below rm5k, I wish that too. So far, in Penang, below are the price:

(1). P50S10k only = rm5750 (QBM Panasonic shop)
(2). P50S10k + BD60 = rm6690 cash and carry(commontan)

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wow... great deal from commontan thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 7 2009, 09:52 PM)
I have yet to receive my PlayOn. Should be week after next. But then I wont be in Penang that whole week.

So de_lasoul, what do U think of the P50S10 in dimmer lighting?
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Bro, is it AC Ryan PlayOn? how much did u buy? What are the formats it can support?


As for the S10, I did not really stop to view the SEC booth, but I have seen it in HN at QBM. They played for me using Sammy BD player on Spiderman 3. I still prefer Sammy's PQ but again I cannot judge the Panny as it was showroom environment and probably was not at it's optimum settings. The only thing attracts me on the S10 is the price Vs size, which I think the Sammy can be cheaper. But I have always been concern on plasma's image retention issues, which per Ronaldjoe's feedback is very obvious especially on the Sammy. I think this is where Sammy lacks badly, or maybe we just need to give it time to run in. But again, the Panny also do have this issue, only may not be as bad as the Sammy.

I need this TV to play games, so I have to think twice now and I am not sure how long I have cause my current plasma is intermittently working/not working. I do need to find a replacement soon.

I also see some feedbacks on Sammy's reliability, which also gives me mixed feelings as I already have a Sammy LCD in my room. Imagine all Sammy in the house and all cannot last long... hahaha, but this is individual opinion as some also have Sammy for very long time with no issues.

So, if the Sammy B650 plasma is not improving on the image retention issues as it goes along further, I would only be left with Panny S10, or LCD again but LCD 46" with good PQ and above is quite a premium price to pay now.. anytime >RM7500 (there goes 1 year's salary... tongue.gif )


Oh yea, one more thing, does anyone here know any shop who can buy used plasmas (not trade in, cause if trade in, means I have to buy from them), whether faulty or not?


Added on August 8, 2009, 11:36 amChewkl, Jimmy and Ronnt, shall we meet up in HN, QBM this coming Thursday during lunch time? We can all review the S10 50" again, and hopefully also be able to view the B650 if the replacements arrive by then.

Maybe we can each buy McD and ta pau up to HN, and talk while having lunch.. heeheh

They also do displays the high end LCD's there, eg Sammy A950, LED series, etc....

If Ronnt is free after lunch, we can go to his place and view his A950 giant along with his poisons... hahaha... Ronnt, what do you think?

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hehe.. i'm ok if we plan ahead... but don't sia soi me with my humble setup la... the others are elites lai notworthy.gif
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Sibeh elite all can just take off like that. I can meet U guys for lunch only...after that have to go back office to become kuli...

U guys wanna invite taikor Braveheart or not? He's another Penang kaki. thumbup.gif
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sure... y not get william wallace along... freedOMMMMM...... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 8 2009, 12:29 PM)
hehe.. i'm ok if we plan ahead... but don't sia soi me with my humble setup la... the others are elites lai notworthy.gif
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wah after lunch no need to work wan ar? so elite..  notworthy.gif
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hehe.. that's y i request for advanced notice so i can apply for day off mah wink.gif
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Ah Ronn actually for your status U should consider *MINIMUM* 55" Series 8 LED. These plasmas are child's play for U. notworthy.gif
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If I can make it then I should be able to tag along. Tagger only. I have limited technical knowledge.

Will need to check my schedule on Monday and update you guys.
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 8 2009, 09:59 PM)
Ah Ronn actually for your status U should consider *MINIMUM* 55" Series 8 LED. These plasmas are child's play for U. notworthy.gif
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Taikor Braveheart should meet Elite Ronn...both got LED TVs one. thumbup.gif

BTW taikor Braveheart, your 50" fishtank last time one U dispose of it liao?
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Haven't arrived yet. It's been more than a week but it's supposed to be anytime next week for installation.

The fishtank is given to a close friend.
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Taikor Braveheart so generous thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

I wanna ask if the shop wanna accept trade-in or not also scared they laff kao at me... sad.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 8 2009, 10:22 PM)
Taikor Braveheart should meet Elite Ronn...both got LED TVs one. thumbup.gif

BTW taikor Braveheart, your 50" fishtank last time one U dispose of it liao?
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A950 is LED I thought?
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 8 2009, 10:53 PM)
A950 is LED I thought?
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led backlit ya... but not called led tv by sammy mah... laugh.gif
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led backlit ya... but not called led tv by sammy mah... laugh.gif
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as long is cheaper and using the same tech with the new led tv the is fine by me heheh future owner of 46inch 9 series


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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Aug 8 2009, 11:18 PM)
as long is cheaper and using the same tech with the new led tv the is fine by me heheh future owner of 46inch 9 series
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I would say better tech since it has local dimming... biggrin.gif


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u say only is no used haha samsung say their led tv is better.....smile.gif
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u say only is no used haha samsung say their led tv is better.....smile.gif
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how can it be better if it doesn't have that feature? LOL...
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yep but i dont thinks common buyer would know the existence of local dimming....expect for some people who review and research the tech found on the 9 series tv...samsung did not ad their local dimming technology so much unlike their current marketing of promote this so called led tv haha laugh.gif

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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Aug 8 2009, 11:35 PM)
yep but i dont thinks common buyer would know the existence of local dimming....expect for some people who review and research the tech found on the 9 series tv...samsung did not ad their local dimming technology so much unlike their current marketing of promote this so called led tv haha laugh.gif
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haha! true, every one now knows their 6000 n 7000 series TV use LED.. hehe!

also the thinness of their 7000.. famous..

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samsung is play mind trick on people laugh.gif but what i know is samsung finally going to released in us local dimming and also double the led zone used in A950 on the new LED Series 8500...the current LED series 8000 is still the old tech from series 6 and 7 lor...so wait to see is the new LED series 8500 are the best of samsung tech...if they can keep same thinness using the local dimming but i doubt so it can be same thinness on series 6,7 and 8 lor
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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Aug 8 2009, 11:43 PM)
samsung is play mind trick on people laugh.gif but what i know is samsung finally going to released in us local dimming and also double the led zone used in A950 on the new LED Series 8500...the current LED series 8000 is still the old tech from series 6 and 7 lor...so wait to see is the new LED series 8500 are the best of samsung tech...if they can keep same thinness using the local dimming but i doubt so it can be same thinness on series 6,7 and 8 lor
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I think cannot be so thin.... cos current series use edge lighting LEds with light guide while local dimming use directly from back illumination..

ideally should be using RGB LEDs.. white ones are not as good to produce white light..

anyway the current LED tv are pretty bad as far as panel uniformity are concerned..so I guess buy it for it's thinness.. biggrin.gif


http://www.samsung.com/us/reviews/cnet_led_review.html
The bad:
The bad: Expensive; less-uniform screen than other LCDs; poor off-angle viewing; backlight fluctuates with program brightness; dark areas tinged bluer; shiny screen can cause reflections in bright rooms; red frame isn't for everyone.


http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.co...g-led-tv-1.html
Screen Uniformity, Background Fluctuations, and Off-angle Viewing: .......

In other words... the main selling point of these Samsung edge-lit LED TVs is not their picture performance, but rather their ultra sleek design coupled with cutting edge LED technology, exceptionally low power consumption that makes these HDTVs among the greenest around, and an impressive feature set that is hard to beat.



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Why suddenly all change topic to talk about Samsung TV laugh.gif ? somemore discuss on Panasonic VIERA TH-P50S10K thread laugh.gif
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